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m...@rco.rosano

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Jun 13, 2006, 2:36:34 AM6/13/06
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Hi all, I've been playing on a B45. I pretty much only play jazz on
clarinet, though I had lots of 'legit' training in my earlier years.
Anyway, I bought an Eddie Daniels mpc in hopes that it would be
slighlty more open than my current B45. It's a great mouthpiece, but
it seems to be just slightly more closed than the Vandoren.

Can anyone recommend a mouthpiece that's a little bit more open than
the B45? I think the B45 'Lyre' was recommended a while ago on this
group, but I actually haven't tried it. Does anyone have any input
before I shell out the money for the B45 Lyre?

Thanks a lot,
Marco

Waters.B...@gmail.com

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Jun 14, 2006, 11:41:24 PM6/14/06
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Greetings,
Yes, as a matter of fact, I can. Have you checked out the Boca Grande
JC2? The JC2 was developed by the late Jerry Hall for the specific
purpose of reducing resistance and increasing air flow by opening up
the chamber. By opening up the chamber and keeping the tip small the
player is able to achieve higher notes with better tone quality with
less effort than other more expensive mouthpieces. Learn more at
http://www.bocagrandejc2.com

m...@rco.rosano

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Jun 15, 2006, 2:45:32 AM6/15/06
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On 14 Jun 2006 20:41:24 -0700, "Waters.B...@gmail.com"
<Waters.B...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Greetings,
>Yes, as a matter of fact, I can. Have you checked out the Boca Grande
>JC2? The JC2 was developed by the late Jerry Hall for the specific
>purpose of reducing resistance and increasing air flow by opening up
>the chamber. By opening up the chamber and keeping the tip small the
>player is able to achieve higher notes with better tone quality with
>less effort than other more expensive mouthpieces. Learn more at
>http://www.bocagrandejc2.com
>m...@rco.rosano wrote:


I'm actually looking for a clarinet mouthpiece with a slightly more
open tip than the B45. Since the JC2 has a smaller tip opening (and a
larger chamber) than the B45, it's definitely not what I'm looking
for. No offense, but the whole JC2 webpage has a sort "magic
mouthpiece infomercial" kind of feel, and I generally tend to avoid
that kind of stuff. Thanks for the info, though.

- Marco

doug.

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Jun 15, 2006, 6:52:35 PM6/15/06
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<m...@rco.rosano> wrote in message
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The B45 and B45dot - (my favourite) Vandoren clarinet mouthpiece has a
Length of Table measuring approx. 23mm., and a tip-opening of approx.
01.20mm. Recommended reed strength Students, 2 to3.; Prof.
I play the B45dot with a 2and-a-half strength Plasticover reed. I don't
like hard reeds, - they don't give a good tone and anyway they knacker you
up. Who wants to play a five hour gig blowing your guts out?.
For me the instrument has to speak well and sonorously immediately I gently
breathe down it and I can get treble fortissimo and treble pianissimo no
bother and I am well pleased with the fulness of tone.
What's more I play the repiano dots once a week with a twenty-piece brass
band. and we all know how amateur brass-banders like to let everybody know
they are all present and correct. Yet I easily hold my own, though I have to
confess that repiano parts play a lot of the melody so what's coming out of
my bell can, despite the 'opposition', be recognised easily by any casual
listener.
In the Vandoren mouthpiece range (albeit circa a few years ago,) there is
only one other choice, which is aimed at Jazz players. It is the 5JB and its
measurements are.Tip-Opening 01.50mm and Length of Table about 28mm.
On the other end of the scale is the 5RV., Tip Opening 01.05mm. and Length
of |Table 20mm.
The 5RVis recommended for Symphonic and Classical performers using strengths
3or4or5 .
For Student use strength 2or3.
It must be remembered that this information is from older publications.
Doug.

**********

Don't laugh!. I regularly play


doug.

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Jun 15, 2006, 7:00:58 PM6/15/06
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"doug." <dougl...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> <m...@rco.rosano> wrote in message
> news:afv192d90vrktngke...@4ax.com...
>> On 14 Jun 2006 20:41:24 -0700, "Waters.B...@gmail.com"
>> <Waters.B...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Greetings,
>>>Yes, as a matter of fact, I can. Have you checked out the Boca Grande
>>>JC2? The JC2 was developed by the late Jerry Hall for the specific
>>>purpose of reducing resistance and increasing air flow by opening up
>>>the chamber. By opening up the chamber and keeping the tip small the
>>>player is able to achieve higher notes with better tone quality with
>>>less effort than other more expensive mouthpieces. Learn more at
>>>http://www.bocagrandejc2.com
>>>m...@rco.rosano wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm actually looking for a clarinet mouthpiece with a slightly more
>> open tip than the B45. Since the JC2 has a smaller tip opening (and a
>> larger chamber) than the B45, it's definitely not what I'm looking
>> for. No offense, but the whole JC2 webpage has a sort "magic
>> mouthpiece infomercial" kind of feel, and I generally tend to avoid
>> that kind of stuff. Thanks for the info, though.
>>
>> - Marco
>
> **********
>
> The B45 and B45dot - (my favourite) Vandoren clarinet mouthpiece has a
> Length of Table measuring approx. 23mm., and a tip-opening of approx
> 01.20mm. Recommended reed strength Students, 2 to3.; Prof.

***********
Correction!.
Reed strengths, -Students, 2to3,; Prof. 3to4.
Doug.
***********

m...@rco.rosano

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Jun 16, 2006, 12:18:15 AM6/16/06
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Thanks for the info, Doug. I suppose the 5JB would require a very
soft reed; 1.50 seems a bit ridiculous, but to each his own. I
actually might try the B45 dot - it seems that a bigger chamber could
benefit the B45. I also just found a Ralph Morgan mouthpiece with a
1.25 tip opening, so I think I'll give that one a try - I've been
pretty impressed with the Morgan sax mouthpieces that I've tried.

Thanks again,
Marco

arnon.ron

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Jun 16, 2006, 6:25:49 AM6/16/06
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<m...@rco.rosano> wrote in message
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I (not pro) switched awhile ago from Vandoren B40 (3.5#, v12 reeds) to
Vandoren 5JB Two-Tones (3# v12 reeds). IMHO the 5JB gives much opener and
bigger sound.

The Two-Tones variant is supposed to give more overtones. I didn't have the
chance to play the plain 5JB piece so I cannot compare these two.

Arnon


Noel Weston

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Jun 16, 2006, 6:52:03 AM6/16/06
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Hi Marco -

Been meaning to reply for a while.

I double on clarinet with swing and big bands, the occasional show and a
sax / clarinet quartet for wedding season. On recommendations from
colleagues I bought and played a B45 spot (or dot) for a couple of
years. At the same time I also bought a 5JB.

I found that the B45 spot was a little bit too closed for my comfort
across all the playing styles - compared to my more usual sax pieces.
Tried the 5JB, but found that was way too extreme - both in terms of the
big sound (no good in the quartet), and the playability.

Going for a reasonable compromise without getting into another huge
search for the "perfect" mouthpiece, I recently bought a B45 lyre - and
it seems to be just the job. That little bit more open than the B45
spot, but still very adaptable and playable. Just seems to feel right.

It works for me - as always, YMMV.

Noel Weston

Steve Marshall

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Jun 16, 2006, 3:56:16 PM6/16/06
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<m...@rco.rosano> wrote

> Thanks for the info, Doug. I suppose the 5JB would require a very
> soft reed; 1.50 seems a bit ridiculous, but to each his own. I
> actually might try the B45 dot - it seems that a bigger chamber could
> benefit the B45.

The B45, B40 and B45 dot have the same tip opening. There is a B45 lyre
which has a wider tip opening.


Steve M


eric pearson

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Jun 17, 2006, 11:53:46 PM6/17/06
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B45Lyre is a bit more open and has a bit longer facing.
Result is that you can use about the same strength reed but
have a 'bigger' sound. However, if the jazz sound you want is
one which allows extreme pitch bending, etc. you are much better
off with a 5JB. I used to play B45dot and switched to B45Lyre for
the bigger sound. However, when I play jazz, or even the opening
cadenza from Rhapsody in Blue, I use the 5JB. It allows for pitch
bending by a half-tone or more without sacrificing projection.

regards,
eric pearson
nonono.eri...@nonono.fuse.net

m...@rco.rosano

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Jun 19, 2006, 2:06:59 AM6/19/06
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Thanks for all the info everyone! I'm definitely going to give the
B45 Lyre a try, and possibly the Morgan that I mentioned in one of the
posts. I'll report back if I have anything of value to say about any
of the ones the I try.

Thanks again,
Marco


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