What ya listening to ?
Steve Marshall
much on the playlist that has clarinet as the main instrument, but I am
listening to a couple of Woody Herman LPs. (Yes those old things !) Also a
bit of the Mozart clari stuff.
(The other stuff I'm playing is various jazz, rock and classical + the
radio.)
Steve M
Stephen Howard
I'm listening to a tape a client of mine made up for me ( on the
grounds that I 'need educating' ) of early New Orleans clarinettists.
Not entirely sure who the artists are ( names such as King Krutty or
Jam Lemon Scrotty spring to mind ), but there's no doubting the
fantastic technical dexterity and awesome tone these guys had.
( The other stuff I'm playing are BBC tapes of The Goon Show and I'm
Sorry I Haven't a Clue )....
Regards,
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mg
to educate myself in that genre. I've been listening to Sabine Meyer
and Stolzman. It was very strange to hear Stolzman use vibrato - I had
always understood that vibrato was forbidden in classical clarinet.
Clarence
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Neil Hamilton
Not necessarily so about the vibrato.
Quite a lot of the great orchestral players use vibrato. People like
Franklin Cohen (principal Cleveland Orchestra), Jack Brymer, Harold Wright
(principal Boston Symphony Orchestra), Michael Collins and I think even
Larry Combs (principal Chicago Symphony Orchestra) sometimes uses it. These
are just a few. It was common practice for some years, mainly in the UK and
the USA I think. You don't hear it much in continental Europe.
I know my teacher Floyd Williams, who learnt from Harold Wright, uses it.
However, if I am wrong on any of those people then please feel free to
correct me. My memory may be letting me down.
Cheers,
Neil
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"Clarence" <clare...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Mostly Benny Goodman stuff. I'm trying to learn the style.
>
That isn't so easy ! A recently got Live in Paris which is wonderful. Have
you listened to Woody Herman and/or Artie Shaw ?
Steve M
Steve Marshall
"Stephen Howard" <sees...@email.uk> wrote
> I'm listening to a tape a client of mine made up for me ( on the
> grounds that I 'need educating' ) of early New Orleans clarinettists.
> Not entirely sure who the artists are ( names such as King Krutty or
> Jam Lemon Scrotty spring to mind ), but there's no doubting the
> fantastic technical dexterity and awesome tone these guys had.
There must be loads of players out there that we don't get to hear because
the 'names' get all the airplay.
I have a similar customer trying to educate me with better know names like
Barney Bigard.
>
> ( The other stuff I'm playing are BBC tapes of The Goon Show and I'm
> Sorry I Haven't a Clue )....
I have fond memories of listeneing to the Goons after being turned onto
Radio 4 because the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy was on there. Not sure
if you liked that but they are going to do more shows of the other books
soon using some of the old cast. Should be good !
Here's a bit of a list for you.
Steve M
GOONOLOGY
Sixty-nine programmes had been broadcast before
the fourth Series of 1953, all untitled.
This list does not include repeats.
fourth Series
1953
2 October: The Dreaded Piano Clubber
9 October: The Destruction of England
16 October: The Everest Project
23 October: The Piano-Firing Cannon
30 October: The Gibraltar Story
6 November: The Sound Barrier Airing
Cupboard
13 November: The First Albert Memorial to
the Moon
20 November: The Missing Bureaucrat
27 November: Scradge
4 December: Alemain
11 December: Harry not a Dog
18 December: The Spanish Armada
25 December: The Giant Bombardon
1954
1 January: 10,000 Fathoms Down in a Wardrobe
8 January: 10 Downing Street Stolen,
15 January: Dr Jekyll and Mr Crun.
22 January: The Mummified Priest
29 January: A History of Communications
5 February: The Kippered Herring Gang
12 February: The Toothpaste Mines
15 February: The Case of the Vanishing Room
22 February: The Great Ink Drought of 1902
1 March: The Underwater Mountain
8 March: The Great Mustard &. Cress Shortage
15 March: The Silent Bugler
22 March: Westem Story
29 March: The Saga of the Internal Mountain
5 April: The Invisible Acrobat
12 April: The Great Bank of England Robbery 1
9 April: The Siege of Fort Knight
Fifth Series
31 August: The Starlings
28 September: The Whistling Spy Enigma
5 October: The Lost Goidmine of Charlotte
12 October: The Dreaded Batter Pudding Hurler
19 October: The Phantom Headshaver of
Brighton.
26 October: The Affair of the Lone Banana
2 November: The Canal
9 November: Lurgi Strikes Britain
16 November: The Mystery of the Marie Celeste
23 November; The Last Tram (from Clapham)
30 November: The Booted Gorilla
7 December: The Spanish Suitcase
14 December: Dishonoured 22 December: Frog
28 December: Ye Bandits of Sherwood Forest
1955
4 January: 1985
11 January: The Rightful Heir
18 January: The China Story
25 January: Under Two Floorboards-A Tale
of the Legion
1 February: The Missing Scroll
15 February: The Sinking of Westminster Pier
22 February: The Fireball of Milton Street
1 March: The Terrible Blasting of Moreton's
Bank
8 March: Yehti
15 March: The WhIte Box of Great Bardsfield
22 March: The End (Confessions of a Secret
Sennapods Drinker)
Sixth Series
20 September: The Man Who Won the War
27 September: The Secret Escritoire
4 October: The Lost Emperor
11 October: Napoleon's Piano
18 October: The Case of the Missing C.D.
Plates
25 October: The Search for Rommel's Treasure
1 November; Foiled by President Fred
8 November: Lost Horizons
15 November: The International Christmas Pudding
22 November: The Hastings Flyer
29 November: The Sale of Manhattan
5 December: The Terrible Revenge of Fred
Fu Manchu
13 December: The Lost Year
20 December: The Greenslade Story
1956
3 January: The Mighty Wurlitzer
10 January: The Red Bladder
17 January: Tales of Montmartre
24 January: The Guided Naaffi
31 January: The House of Teeth
7 Februarys Tales of Old Dartmoor;
14 February: The Choking Horror
21 February : The Tuscan Salami
28 February: The Treasure of Loch Lomond
1 March: Special St David's Day Programme
6 March: Fear of Wages
20 March: The Man Who Never Was
Seventh Series
4 October: The Bahrann Oasis
11 October: Drums along the Mersey
18 October: The Nadger Plague
25 October: The McReekie Rising of'74
1 November: The Spectre of Tinage
l6 November: The Sleeping Prince
22 November: Captain Seagoon RN
29 November: The Case of the Fake Neddie
Seagoon
6 December:What's My Line
13 December: The Telephone
20 December: The Flea
27 December: Six Charlies in Search of an
Author
1957
3 January: Bulldog Seagoon*s First Case
10 January: Wings over Dagenham
17 January: The Rent Collectors
24 January: The Shifting Sands ofWazIristan
31 January: The Moon Show 7 February: The Leather Omnibus
14 February: The Sleeping Prince
21 February: Round theWorld in 80 Days
28 February: Insurance, theWhite Man's Burden,
6 March: The Trans-Africa Aeroplane Canal
13 March: I'll MeetbyGoonlight 20 March: The Birmingham Ring Road
Construction.
27 March:The Histories ofPling the Elder
Eighth Series
27 August: The ReasonWhy
30 September: The Spon Plague
7 October: The Junk Affair
14 October: Firechief Seagoon
21 October: The Great Regents Park Swim
28 October: The Treasure at the Tower
4 November: The Space Age
11 November: Rebellion at Red Fort
18 November: The Stolen Battleship
25 November; The Policy
2 December: King Solomon's Mines
9 December: The Stolen Postman
16 December: The Great British Revolution
23 December: The Plasticine Man
30 December: The Bridge on the River
1958
6 January: The Thing on the Mountain,
13 January: The Great String Robberies
20 January: The Moriarty Murder Mystery
27 January: My Heart's in the Highlands
3 February: The White Neddie Trade
10 February: The. Ten Snowballs That Shook
The World
10 March: The TiddleyWinks Theft
17 March: The Lampost
24 March: The Great Statue Debate
Ninth Series
3 November: The Nude Welshman
10 November: I Was Monty's Treble
17 November: The Million Pound Penny
24 November: Pams Papers
1 December: The Mountain Eaters
8 December: King Arthur's Sword
15 December: Seagoon's Memoirs
22 December: Queen Anne's Reign
29 Decembers The Battle of Spion Kop
1959
5 January: Ned's Atomic Dustbin.
12 January: The Spy
20 January: The Call of theWest
2 February: The Scarlet Capsule
9 February: TheTay Bridge Disaster
16 February: The Gold-plate Robbery
23 February: The £50 Cure
Tenth Series
24 December: A Christmas Card
31 December: Tales of Men's Shirts
1960
7 January: Ned's Chinese Legs
14 January: Robins Past, A Story of Lord
Seagoon
21 January: The Spanish Doubloons
28 January: The Last of the Smoking Seagoons
Steve
for
Bb clarinet?
Are there any you especially like?
Steve
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Clarence
master as well as Benny. I have more Benny and have been listening to his
stuff over and over to try to grasp the style.
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Stephen Howard
<s...@atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote:
>
>"Stephen Howard" <sees...@email.uk> wrote
>
>> I'm listening to a tape a client of mine made up for me ( on the
>> grounds that I 'need educating' ) of early New Orleans clarinettists.
>> Not entirely sure who the artists are ( names such as King Krutty or
>> Jam Lemon Scrotty spring to mind ), but there's no doubting the
>> fantastic technical dexterity and awesome tone these guys had.
>
>There must be loads of players out there that we don't get to hear because
>the 'names' get all the airplay.
>I have a similar customer trying to educate me with better know names like
>Barney Bigard.
I guess the same is true of every genre. I often half catch concerts
on R3 and find myself trying to work out who the composer is of a
piece of music that just grabs me 'right there'.
It sometimes turns out to be someone whose music has been around for
centuries and yet I've never heard of them...
>>
>> ( The other stuff I'm playing are BBC tapes of The Goon Show and I'm
>> Sorry I Haven't a Clue )....
>
>I have fond memories of listeneing to the Goons after being turned onto
>Radio 4 because the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy was on there. Not sure
>if you liked that but they are going to do more shows of the other books
>soon using some of the old cast. Should be good !
>
>Here's a bit of a list for you.
<snip>
Oooooh, quick nurse.. the screens!!
Well whaddya know... that's EXACTLY how and why I started listening to
R4!
I used to listen to the Goons every night, in bed. I used to suffer
with a bit of post-gig tinnitus, so I got into the habit of going to
sleep with a tape playing in the background.
A few decades later, my son goes to sleep with the Goon show playing -
and for me it's a double bonus because it introduces him to music (
Ray Ellington and Max Geldray ) that he wouldn't otherwise listen to.
Apparently some of other kids at his school are starting to catch on,
due to his running round the playground shouting "He's fallen in the
water!".
I used to have just as much trouble waking up - so I made up a tape of
all Bloodnock's intros spliced together.
Worked for me!
And now, a sailor's farewell....Paaaaaaaarp.
--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
Doug.
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I've played opposite Ray Ellington a couple of times when I was in the
resident
house band.
I have him on tape somewhere. An expert on the bongoes... and do I remember
him leading his outfit on the Piano accordion on piano?. He sang a lot of
songs, with some having lots of humour. A very genial character, loved by
all. I wonder if he still lives?.
Doug.
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>
> Apparently some of other kids at his school are starting to catch on,
> due to his running round the playground shouting "He's fallen in the
> water!".
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> all Bloodnock's intros spliced together.
> Worked for me!
>
> And now, a sailor's farewell....Paaaaaaaarp.
**************************************
"Can I do you now, Sir?"
Steve Marshall
"Steve" <sgo...@comcast.net> wrote
> What are the songs and artists/composers/band leaders you would recommend
> for
> Bb clarinet?
>
> Are there any you especially like?
here's a few in addition to what's already been mentioned.
Sandy Brown, Wally Fawkes, Ian Wheeler, Tony Coe and Freddy Gardner or all
worth checking out. I wouldn't specify tracks because there's so much that's
been re-recorded etc.
Steve M
Doug.
****************
The above mentioned were the tops in the early forties and fifties on steam
radio before TV exploded on the the scene
Doug.
"Doug." <do...@yarlside.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:...
used to go to listen to those guys rehearsing down the cellars in
Shaftesbury Avenue.
The names mentioned were outstanding players.
Wally was with a tops band leader, (despite his popularity I've forgotten
his name, - a household name, -blast it!) who led the leading jazz outfit in
this country. He, (the B.L,) was later prominent in a comedy programme which
ran for years, up until recently..
Tony Coe was my fave; he was an outstanding extemporizer, with a fine tone,
and Sandy (Wasn't he a |Scotsman?,) was equally gifted.
Freddy Gardner was the darling of all alto sax players and has never been ,
before or since out- classed by anyone else andhe was an expert clarinet
jazz
soloist who appeared on radio on Saturday nights Jazz programmes.
They were all playing N.O. jazz.: (Nowadays people keep saying the Big
Band
boys were playing jazz, - which is ridiculous,).
Sunday evenings, - on steam, - Freddy played with the Peter York Orchestra
(a big "straight" Orchestra). His metier was orchesta-backed solos, played
with that glorious golden tone he produced, which everyone else, - including
me, - tried hard to copy - and failed, - though I got very near it,
sometimes.
His performance was deliberately *Very Stagey and Smarmy* and eventually put
paid
to the programme.
I am looking at a vinyl 33 -1/3 record presented to me by a jazz radio
presenter. On the cover it says, "Freddy Gardner and his Golden Tone
saxophone".
The titles on it which he played are, - Mood for Love, - Valse Vanity, -
These Foolish Things, - Smoke gets in your eyes, - Roses of Picardy, - Body
and Soul, - Only have eyes for you, and Stardust.
Freddy died young . He passed away suddenly when he was repairing a puncture
in his son's bike tyre.
Digressing , here's an interesting story. When I was about ten years old My
Auntie took in a waif orphan, he was a little bugger - always in trouble.
he slept in the loft and wouldn't go down and out to the bottom of the yard
when he wanted a sit-down toilet visit, especially in winter, so he used to
use a newspaper then fold it up and thgrow it over into the next door's
backyard.
Anyway he joined the Army as a musician. After the war I met him and he
told me he had been playing second alto to Freddy Gardner. He told me that
so much was the pressure on Freddy, that Freddy was getting through two
bottles of whisky a day to get through the day.
I'll say this, - Freddy's beautiful "Tone" may have been a bit smarmy and
stagey but no-one since has been able to get even near to it.
Doug
Doug.
Steve Marshall
"Doug." <do...@yarlside.demon.co.uk> wrote
> The above mentioned were the tops in the early forties and fifties on
steam
> radio before TV exploded on the scene. . Whenever I visited The Smoke I
> used to go to listen to those guys rehearsing down the cellars in
> Shaftesbury Avenue.
> The names mentioned were outstanding players.
> Wally was with a tops band leader, (despite his popularity I've forgotten
> his name, - a household name, -blast it!) who led the leading jazz outfit
in
> this country. He, (the B.L,) was later prominent in a comedy programme
which
> ran for years, up until recently..
He played with Humph for some years. Is that who you mean ?
If been experimenting with this John Grey (Paris) mouthpiece recently. Along
with a La Voz reed it sounds wonderful ona Vito Resotone ! Gives the sort of
tone that those guys could achieve. Ever come across those mouthpieces ?
Steve M
Doug.
>
> "Doug." <do...@yarlside.demon.co.uk> wrote
>
> > The above mentioned were the tops in the early forties and fifties on
> steam
> > radio before TV exploded on the scene. . Whenever I visited The Smoke I
> > used to go to listen to those guys rehearsing down the cellars in
> > Shaftesbury Avenue.
> > The names mentioned were outstanding players.
> > Wally was with a tops band leader, (despite his popularity I've
forgotten
> > his name, - a household name, -blast it!) who led the leading jazz
outfit
> in
> > this country. He, (the B.L,) was later prominent in a comedy programme
> which
> > ran for years, up until recently..
>
> He played with Humph for some years. Is that who you mean ?
Yes! - that's right!, - Fancy me fogetting a stalwart broadcaster like
|Humph!. I used to tape his jazz progs and there are still some knocking
about somewhere in the loft or the shed, and his comedy show was excellent.
Doug.
************************
>
> If been experimenting with this John Grey (Paris) mouthpiece recently.
Along
> with a La Voz reed it sounds wonderful ona Vito Resotone ! Gives the sort
of
> tone that those guys could achieve. Ever come across those mouthpieces ?
>
> Steve M
***********************
Congrats on the Vito Resos. My two completely outclass my B/H 1010
Symphony.
They are both 7212's - the bottom of the range, - and one I have upgraded
to the next marque above by putting a shiny-metal ringed bell and a
different size barrel on it, so *that* one is now a model 7213. Not that it
means much but it just looks more posh and professional. The bell cost was
70 quid each, which collectively is only slightly less than I paid for each
one and brand new, very little used clarinet.
You'd be surprised how many schoolgirls take up the clarinet at achool, get
one from the school education authourity bulk-buying scheme, then decide
they want a mobile phone instead. Or it could be that the parents have an
unpaid gas bill.
I paid 100 quid for one and 90 quid for the other, both spanking brand new
plus carry-cases.
I have retired my tricky 1010 because these two Vitos are blowing like a
dream, (one at a time of course!). I use Vandoren 5RV or a 5RV lyre for
practising, and a B45dot for playing in a fun band full of experienced
ex-Brass Banders, where I can hold my own end up without any strain.
The B45dot is sonorous. The 5RV. is the least open of the range, and the
tone is lovely, like one you would use for Symph work. The 5RV lyre is
slightly more open and the B45dot measurements are in the middle of the
Vandoren measurements range.
I play it in a fun band full of well- experienced Brass Banders, and
without effort or overblowing can hold my own without muh effort.
Doug.
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Doug.
I've had a bluddy good laff just reading those Titles!.
I never realised that all those titles came out of one head. I have always
been of the opinion that
meladdo worked his ticket,andt quite clearly he was right round the bend.
However, looking again at that lot above, I am now convinced the word
"Genius" is apposite.
Doug.