These words seemed foolish at the time...
pootie poot
"Even if you were totally against this war from the beginning, you are
now sure you were right....right to fear that the Iraqi people would
choose sadaam over us, especially after the war started. Bush has now
created a situation in Iraq that maybe even more difficult than
Vietnam."
Philip Ayers
wouldn't bet the farm yet.
is that your real name?
Philip Ayers
this war in the coming days, months, and years. We "won" the war? What
that means to people like you, is that we won the war and everything is
going to be fine.
But, what that means to people who care about innocent life and know a
little about the world is this: Will We see our country engaged in other
wars now, to remove other tyrants in n.Korea, Iran, Syria?? But even
more likely, we'll see wars of revenge against the very terrorists
this war spawns, who will try to do even more spectacular acts of
revenge on our "innocents" than 9/11. War is not a solution. Smart bombs
don't create democracies.And if they did....we'd be unlikely to
appreciate an Arab democracy!!!!! If you look to see how many
democracies we've created out of war you'll see what I mean. Japan and
Germany were already advanced industrial powers after ww2. This is just
the beginning mr. pootman. ??Oh, Maybe you mean GWB is a genius and him
Kandu???
PS when GWB and Tom Delay get through with redistributing the wealth and
as Ken Delay says,"drown the federal budget in the bath" what's an idiot
like you going to do? I mean they may even get rid of support for
retarded people!!
Idiot winds.
Batular
and bombard public special interest domains with propaganda that they
never asked for! Then, all of our liberal friends will think we're cool
and maybe we can all go to a protest and pat each other on the asses and
show the world how cool we are because we're taking a stance! Because
lord knows that anyone interested in music around chapel hill can't
possibly have the competence or resources to make their own decisions
about the war! they need us to care for their ignorance.
so let's keep sending them links about stuff and inform them
about stuff because that's what che guevara would want us to do!
rage against the machine! oh sorry you would never be caught listening
to a band like that what the hell was i thinking? yo la tengo!
Philip Ayers
Jamie McLendon
this minute, do you hear me? Young man, don't make me pick a switch
from the yellowbelle bush!
pooti...@hotmail.com (pootie poot) wrote in message news:<900a3a3b.0304...@posting.google.com>...
Philip Ayers
James Hepler
Ayers's post was stupid. Never seen that before.
You're real on top of things, Pootie. Can I buy you a
near beer?
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> so let's keep sending them links about stuff and
> inform them about stuff because that's what che
> guevara would want us to do!
Yeah, they're all communistic brainwashers!
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--- Batular <texasis...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> blah blah blah. i know!, let's affect this
> fashionable anti-war agenda
> and bombard public special interest domains with
> propaganda that they
> never asked for!
Antiwar is fashionable? Wow! I've never in my life
been fashionable. I guess I'm that much closer to
getting my replacement indie cred card.
> Then, all of our liberal friends
> will think we're cool
> and maybe we can all go to a protest and pat each
> other on the asses and
> show the world how cool we are because we're taking
> a stance!
Yeah! Patted on the ass! I give as good as I get.
> Because
> lord knows that anyone interested in music around
> chapel hill can't
> possibly have the competence or resources to make
> their own decisions
> about the war! they need us to care for their
> ignorance.
I tell you, I'm interested in music and I can't even
decide where to dine on a given evening.
> so let's keep sending them links about stuff and
> inform them
> about stuff because that's what che guevara would
> want us to do!
It's true. He sent me an E-card saying just that.
> rage against the machine! oh sorry you would never
> be caught listening
> to a band like that what the hell was i thinking?
> yo la tengo!
Wow. Can you imagine what life would be like if this
guy were your roomate?
Hep
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list-serve, and the people on the list-serve like talking to one another
about various topics. If you look at the history of the list-serve (ie,
read some old posts) you will find that this failure to stay strictly on a
musical topic is the rule rather than the exception.
We come together out of our appreciation for music. We stay together out of
a sense of community, as someone else (Duncan?) recently noted. A lot of
the "propoganda," as you put it, are actually people sharing their
frustrations with the current state of world affairs or sharing information
that they deem others on the list would appreciate knowing.
If you don't like it, you can digest the list-serve so that you can weed
through the political rantings/discussions over best restaurants to have
lunch/and other silliness to find actual postings related to music. Or you
can actively argue against the political postings. Or you can go away.
But don't tell me or anyone else to shut up. And don't call me a liberal.
phaedra
>blah blah blah. i know!, let's affect this fashionable anti-war agenda
>and bombard public special interest domains with propaganda that they
>never asked for! Then, all of our liberal friends will think we're cool
>and maybe we can all go to a protest and pat each other on the asses and
>show the world how cool we are because we're taking a stance! Because
>lord knows that anyone interested in music around chapel hill can't
>possibly have the competence or resources to make their own decisions
>about the war! they need us to care for their ignorance.
> so let's keep sending them links about stuff and inform them
>about stuff because that's what che guevara would want us to do!
>rage against the machine! oh sorry you would never be caught listening
>to a band like that what the hell was i thinking? yo la tengo!
>
>On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:42:50 -0400, Philip Ayers wrote:
>
> > ..if your point is that I was wrong, I hope your right. However I
>wouldn't
> > bet the farm yet.
> >
> > is that your real name?
> >
> > pootie poot wrote:
> >> ...and even more so today:
> >>
> >> "Even if you were totally against this war from the beginning, you are
> >> now sure you were right....right to fear that the Iraqi people would
> >> choose sadaam over us, especially after the war started. Bush has now
> >> created a situation in Iraq that maybe even more difficult than
> >> Vietnam."
> >>
> >>
>
>
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lefties conduct themselves when they're alone together -- patting each
other on the back, reading Che, and lord knows what else -- is that
they're sexually attracted to us and they feel excluded.
d
grady
70 to get laid in Chapel Hill. Talk about yr frustration. Why do you
think GR spends all that time standing on streetcorners holding up signs?
PhillipG
> Duncan Murrell wrote:
> > My theory is that righties who get all bent out of shape about how
> > lefties conduct themselves when they're alone together -- patting each
> > other on the back, reading Che, and lord knows what else -- is that
> > they're sexually attracted to us and they feel excluded.
> >
Everyone knows lefties give a better reach-around.
-pg
Chris Rossi
> blah blah blah. i know!, let's affect this fashionable anti-war agenda
> and bombard public special interest domains with propaganda that they
> never asked for! Then, all of our liberal friends will think we're cool
> and maybe we can all go to a protest and pat each other on the asses and
> show the world how cool we are because we're taking a stance! Because
> lord knows that anyone interested in music around chapel hill can't
> possibly have the competence or resources to make their own decisions
> about the war! they need us to care for their ignorance.
> so let's keep sending them links about stuff and inform them
> about stuff because that's what che guevara would want us to do!
> rage against the machine! oh sorry you would never be caught listening
> to a band like that what the hell was i thinking? yo la tengo!
>
justifiably so. It's just this makes use of a classical rhetorical
technique, ubiquitous on USENET. The technique is as such:
person A: I think foo.
person B: I think bar. And you can't tell me to think foo. You're
ifringing upon my rights of free speech and free thought by telling me
what to think.
In *all* cases this technique is inherently flawed, as it just doesn't
follow that person A's expression of foo in any infringes on person B's
right to think or express bar. The repetition of peron B's argument
over and over again in nearly every forum on USENET does not make it a
valid argument. If I had a dollar for every time someone cried
"censorship" or "infringement of free speach" in response to someone
else expressing their opinion, I'd, well, be able to go out for dinner
every now and then, at least.
rossi
grady
infringing upon my rights by even trying."
All they did was make fun of some invisible straw man for doing
something, I'm not sure what. Something about "bombarding public special
interest domains with propaganda that they never asked for." I'm still
not sure what that means. And no, I don't need anybody to try to explain
it to me, thanks.
Because, um, you can't tell me what to think!
Hey, did you hear, Rupert Murdoch bought a significant chunk of the
company that provides both my TV and internet access. Guess I'll have to
shape up my viewing & surfing habits, Or Else.
xoxox
Ross
Chris Toenes
ct
Subject: bull durham
Posted on Thu, Apr. 10, 2003
Baseball Hall Cancels 'Bull Durham' Event
BEN WALKER
Associated Press
NEW YORK - The Hall of Fame president, a former official in the Reagan
administration, canceled a 15th anniversary celebration of "Bull Durham"
because of anti-war criticism by co-stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon.
Dale Petroskey sent a letter to Robbins and Sarandon this week, telling
them the festivities April 26-27 at Cooperstown, N.Y., had been called
off.
Recent comments by the actors "ultimately could put our troops in even
more danger," said Petroskey, a former White House assistant press
secretary under President Reagan.
Reached Wednesday night, Robbins said he was "dismayed" by the decision.
He responded with a letter he planned to send to Petroskey, telling him:
"You belong with the cowards and ideologues in a hall of infamy and
shame."
The weekend affair, planned months ago, also was to feature "Bull Durham"
actor Robert Wuhl and Ron Shelton, who wrote and directed the 1988 film.
Instead of commemorating the movie, the Hall canceled the celebration in a
letter Tuesday sent to the scheduled participants.
"In a free country such as ours, every American has the right to his or
her own opinions, and to express them. Public figures, such as you, have
platforms much larger than the average American's, which provides you an
extraordinary opportunity to have your views heard - and an equally large
obligation to act and speak responsibly," Petroskey wrote.
"We believe your very public criticism of President Bush at this important
- and sensitive - time in our nation's history helps undermine the U.S.
position, which ultimately could put our troops in even more danger. As an
institution, we stand behind our President and our troops in this
conflict."
Robbins and Sarandon, his longtime partner, have been active in peace
rallies to protest the war in Iraq.
In his letter, Robbins said he'd been looking forward to "a weekend away
from politics and war." He said he remained "skeptical" of the war plans
and told Petroskey he did not realize baseball was "a Republican sport."
"I am sorry that you have chosen to use baseball and your position at the
Hall of Fame to make a political statement," Robbins wrote. "I know there
are many baseball fans that disagree with you, and even more that will
react with disgust to realize baseball is being politicized.
"To suggest that my criticism of the president put the troops in danger is
absurd. ... I wish you had, in your letter, saved me the rhetoric and
talked honestly about your ties to the Bush and Reagan administrations.
"You invoke patriotism and use words like 'freedom' in an attempt to
intimidate and bully. In doing so, you dishonor the words 'patriotism' and
'freedom' and dishonor the men and women who have fought wars to keep this
nation a place where one can freely express their opinions without fear of
reprisal or punishment."
Robbins signed his letter with a reference to an old World Series
champion.
"Long live democracy, free speech and the '69 Mets - all improbable,
glorious miracles that I have always believed in," he wrote.
3.2.3
> he did not realize baseball was "a Republican sport."
i did.
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Kevin Grealey
> ----------
> From: 3.2.3
> Reply To: ch-s...@listserv.unc.edu
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:44 PM
> To: Chapel Hill Music Lovers
> Subject: Re: Bull Durham was Re: These words seemed foolish at the
> time...
S. Warner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Toenes" <toe...@earthlink.net>
Newsgroups: alt.music.chapel-hill
To: "Chapel Hill Music Lovers" <ch-s...@listserv.unc.edu>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:40 PM
Subject: Bull Durham was Re: These words seemed foolish at the time...
> on the note of infringing on speech rights (and some local relevance):
(snip)
> NEW YORK - The Hall of Fame president, a former official in the Reagan
> administration, canceled a 15th anniversary celebration of "Bull Durham"
> because of anti-war criticism by co-stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon.
But it's okay for John Rocker to join the 'organization'.
-scott
bendy
> how is baseball a republican sport?
The pitcher stands alone on a hill, trying to keep the masses from
running around him and stealing his home.
bendy
Duncan Murrell
of concern for what he and Sarandon _might_ do at the ceremony, but
this is total bullshit. Besides the fact that it shouldn't matter
_what_ Robbins and Sarandon might say, Robbins said on SportsCenter
that he had specifically decided _not_ to get up on the podium and say
anything about the war, as he had already done so on numerous
occasions, and that he had just wanted to enjoy one day of baseball
talk.
And speaking of John Rocker, look for him in a Durham Bulls uniform
soon -- he just signed a minor league contract with the Devil Rays.
d
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the Duke Coffeehouse.
3.2.3
> how is baseball a republican sport?
it's like looking for a synth. if you have to ask...
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Nathaniel Florin
Baseball is a sport in which unionized foreigners and
minorities and white men who never went to college are
paid to entertain male white intellectual meta fans
and their beer drinking front men (who actually attend
the games so the intellectuals can stay home and write
encomiums to their heros and/or process statistics).
All of this is to the enormous profit of cold-hearted
corporate ownership who steal from the public coffers
in the name of competitive balance and municipal
pride. It is an endeavor in which a team located in
Los Angeles and owned by Disney can be held up as the
triumph of a "medium-sized market", one in which the
workers are called greedy because they get paid
roughly according to the value they produce and an
octagenarian worth several billion dollars can cry
poverty and insist on a public bailout. So yeah,
that's Republican, but it's also more generically
classist capitalist stuff. Very American.
I say all of this as a rabid and obssessive baseball
fan who is definitely white and who pretends to be
intellectual and who has never fully recovered from
seeing my childhood hero Reggie Jackson strike out
four times against Baltimore in 1981.
Sox in '03!
Nate
3.2.3
> Baseball is a sport in which unionized foreigners and
> minorities and white men who never went to college are
> paid to entertain male white intellectual meta fans
> and their beer drinking front men (who actually attend
> the games so the intellectuals can stay home and write
> encomiums to their heros and/or process statistics).
> All of this is to the enormous profit of cold-hearted
> corporate ownership who steal from the public coffers
> in the name of competitive balance and municipal
> pride. It is an endeavor in which a team located in
> Los Angeles and owned by Disney can be held up as the
> triumph of a "medium-sized market", one in which the
> workers are called greedy because they get paid
> roughly according to the value they produce and an
> octagenarian worth several billion dollars can cry
> poverty and insist on a public bailout. So yeah,
> that's Republican, but it's also more generically
> classist capitalist stuff. Very American.
thank you, nate. this means so much more coming from someone so
knowledgeable of the sport.
let us not forget, in a former life dubya was a team owner ("managing
partner") who took tax payers to the cleaners in return for minimum wage
popcorn sales jobs.
or as economists for nc state pointed out while the rbc was being built,
the average wal-mart has a better civic return on investment than even
the biggest pro sports franchises.
http://www.makethemaccountable.com/tax/SaleOfBaseballTeam.htm
your speech is indicative of my comment being a more specialized case of
a general rule to live by:
pro sports are republican,
which itself is a special case of:
america is republican.
it wasn't very fair of me to so single out baseball, but tim robbins is
fooling only himself.
i guess you can look at college sports as just the young republicans.
painful to me as much as i love watching a great acc basketball game. i
get a thrill out of a well executed alley-oop, all while suppressing the
shame of knowing i'm cheering on a bunch of cogs.
cogs.
i mean, how anybody can really give a flying fuck about matt doherty or
dick baddour is both understandable to me and beyond me at the same
time.
ok, i had my bean soup and not even the first fart. now i need that
drink. hopefully a mojito.
is that the best you can do? all that barely cooked garlic and not one
fart? you're losing your edge.
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blandings dunman
>
> ok, i had my bean soup and not even the first fart. now i need that
> drink. hopefully a mojito.
>
> is that the best you can do? all that barely cooked garlic and not one
> fart? you're losing your edge.
>
> 3
all that barely cooked garlic is like a time-delay fuse. you'll see.
as for mojitos, the muddler has assured me he has recently purchased a
new half-gallon of cruzan, and the mint patch is gettin' "up there". i
fear he is gearing up for another impromptu mojito-fest!
all interested parties are instructed to email me off-list, whereby the
muddler and i will be creating a special mojito-fest address book.
the muddler is an oddly ascetic and spontaneous personage, so be
forewarned: your reaction time may be crucial. you may have hours, you
may have days--one can never tell. chairs may be required, as well as
limes. and cots for the unwary.
mojito alert status is definitely pale green, verdancy waxing.
beware! (and yes!, mary brnannramrmdr, this means you--BEWARE!)
until then, the muddler abides.
Chris Calloway
> all that barely cooked garlic is like a time-delay fuse. you'll see.
hmph. so today i worked a catering event for spare change, barbeque-ing
salmon on a stick for drunken dukies. my feet hurt like you don't know.
but you should have seen me in my chef's smock and white apron. anyway,
after grilling on five triple length grills, all smoking at once, twenty
four industrial size and piled high trays of salmon, some overdone, some
underdone, some just right, the timing of the trays having been stressed
to me more than any particular aesthetic of whether they should be
edible or not, i had occasion just to sit around and sample various hors
d'oeurves and canapés, tortellini alfredo, paella, cranberry pork roast,
Caesar salad, quesadillas, dim sum, herbed chicken, a variety of
cookies, and chocolate mousse leftovers while sucking down mini-bottles
of luksusowa until the fireworks display commenced. about the time of
the fireworks finale, i felt a little loosened up and heavy with
bite-sized spanakopitas. and standing there in my hiding place in the
dark between the catering semi's and behind the portable generators,
while watching the last of the red, blue, and green explosions, i
managed to emit one tiny little and faintly audible fart. which i can
say was my one and only fart of the week and it's been what? three? four
days since barely cooked garlic?
you'll have to do better.
me, i made enough to pay a nagging bill and took home enough groceries
for a week, although it's going to take me a week of nasal irrigation to
get all this charcoal suet our of my sinuses.
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