Celine: CONTRIVED - LIP-SYNCING - Anorexic -
Jillitete
I don't know about anyone else but I come into this newsgroup to read about
NEWS and not someones opinion on how Celine sucks... Please don't post crap
like this!
Mr.Drama
business...in order for an televised performance to go perfectly the
directors tell the performers that they must lip sync to avoid problems
and make them look bad...celine always gives a great performance in
whatever she does but she has to do what the directors tell her if she
wants the publicity
Celine is amazing and when she is allowed to perform live she steals the
show....why don't you research before you make a comment...and as far as
being anorexic thats bullshit from other singers who are jealous of
celine ...i know...once again research
Dupester
He's just a critic, let him have his say. Newsgroups are for the pros and
cons of a subject, we need some subjects to debate everynow and then, and I
welcome River's complaints. It gives us opportunity to prove him wrong :)
Matt
River <river_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Not sure about the new year's show but her extensive use of prerecorded
> vocals and LIP-SYNCING performances doesn't surprise me, what a ripoff!
> Other recent concert lip-syncers include Andrea Bocelli(who also
lip-synced
> his Jay Leno performance!), Luciano Pavarotti, Sarah Brightman, Madonna,
and
> the list is endless.
> Are people crazy or totally blind, can't they discern what live vocals
> really sound like compared to lip-synced.
>
dmiller
Celine...until you can experience the singers' life, and having to sing,
sing, sing...and the strain it must be on her vocal cords at times... you
CAN NOT be one to say " just sing the words" . There are reasons for
lip-syncing-- to promote! .... so that first time listeners can hear the
spoofed up version with all the bells and whistels as opposed to the live
version which is alwasy toned down somewhat. As for singing 99% of the
time.. that's bull shit right there! She sung LIVE on her recent
appearances on Rosie, Oprah ( performed 4 songs), and Jay Leno. As a matter
of fact, she sings live on EVERY talk she appears on - I have A LOT on tape
if you want proof. As for her special...she sung To Love Your More live,
Conga, and Gloria's song... the rest of the songs were lip-synced to promote
her album... She NEVER lip-syncs at her concerts when she's on tour. I would
know, I have a few on tape, and I've been to one. She probably evaded the
diet issue because she's tired of that redundunt question and all the
rumours! She has no eating dissorder and she's said this many many times on
many talk shows. She's naturally thin! She get's it from her father...take
a look at him and see how skinny he is. All the rest of this shit you're
throwing at us is YOUR opinion and does not need to be pressed in our faces
as facts... we could care less what you think. Start an Anti-Celine
Newsgroup if it tears you up that much, but don't start your crap here.
River wrote in message ...
>Not sure about the new year's show but her extensive use of prerecorded
>vocals and LIP-SYNCING performances doesn't surprise me, what a ripoff!
>Other recent concert lip-syncers include Andrea Bocelli(who also
lip-synced
>his Jay Leno performance!), Luciano Pavarotti, Sarah Brightman, Madonna,
and
>the list is endless.
>Are people crazy or totally blind, can't they discern what live vocals
>really sound like compared to lip-synced.
>
>Frankly, Celine's live onstage theatrics and gestures qualify as incredibly
>contrived with over the top hollowness.
>In interviews including Larry King, the real Dion was there for everyone to
>see. Ultra transprent, manipulative, and very evasive, feebly attempting
to
>totally discount the diet issue in her offensive antagonistic manner.
>She simply evaded the question and just narrowed her eyebrows in a moment
of
>utter bullshit. Fess up and tell the truth or don't insult the
intelligence
>of the viewers.
>There's no question she is conscious of what and how much she eats, at
least
>the last couple of years so need for the BS evasiveness.
>But the worst thing is her absolute transparent FACADE and over the top
>contrived/hollow live gestures.
>Celine, just sing the words, very simple. No need to rip people off
>LIP-SYNCING and then feeding us more contrived facial and hand BS gestures
>that waters down everything.
>There are much more talented singers out there who sing with REAL soul and
>emotion, try the black female singers of the late 60's and 70's - vocal
>gymnastics is simply for dense egocentric transparent lightweight
>non-talents such as yourself. Do we really need 10 covers of
>'Power of Love', so much for originality, same recycled vocal gymnastics
>minus any real emotion especially when every show sounds exactly the same
>from pre-recorded vocals that you LIP-SYNC.
>I guess there's a sucker born every second. Wake up people.
>
>I thought Mariah Carey's ego was pretty bad, but Celine's facial and hand
>gestures during shows is about as shallow as has ever been seen.
>
>I think Celine epitomizes the materialistic independent woman of the 90's
>and 2000. Transparent, contrived, dense, disconnecting cold, manipulative,
>facade always intact,...total dispensible trash.
>
>Once the lesbian rumours started floating about her, she quickly and
>conveniently married her older well-endowed manager. Same thing happened
>with country singer Randy Travis who married his manager within days of
>similar sexual preference rumours which also had substance.
>Everything about her is FAR from honest, warm, REAL. People need to open
>their eyes rather than gullibly buying Celine overproduced discs and
>watching her lip-sync 99% of her shows for the last few years.
>
>
>
>
Doodling
> Sounds like you're rehashing her 'Larry King' interview word for
> word.
> If you saw her expressions and how she worded her answers there
> you'd see
> how hollow and transprent her adrguments were. Celine was
> definitely fatter
> before, did her metabolism suddenly double.
> Nobody who eats normally looks as thin as she does on of her
> recent album
> covers.
> All the rest of this shit you're
> > throwing at us is YOUR opinion and does not need to be pressed
> in our
> faces
> > as facts... we could care less what you think. Start an
> Anti-Celine
> > Newsgroup if it tears you up that much, but don't start your
> crap here.
> year's
> spectacle. If you want to turn a blind eye it's up to you, I
> guess it shows
> how gullible people really are at buying commercialism and
> superficiality at
> it's worst. If she was a genuine good sincere person I'd give her
> credit
> but that's not what she represents both live and in interviews.
You say you're being objective? You're being anything BUT objective.
I study psychology and I've done analyses on many people who are like
you. Even just looking at the adjectives you use, it's obvious you're
not being objective. For example, lip-synching is in YOUR OPINION
something that's really low. I agree with the others that it's to
preserve the studio version, with all the "bells and whistles". You
also used the word "insincere" to describe those lip-synched
performances. How can you say they are insincere? Are you God? Can
you look deep into what Celine is feeling? Maybe to YOU Celine is dull
and stupid with all those singing gestures. That's what YOU believe.
I mean, to Celine's fans, those gestures are for REAL, and they are
manifestations of the emotions she feels when she sings. Those are
"diva moves". Oh, and before I go on, a fact is something that can
definitely be proved. An opinion is an idea that varies from person
and person; not chiseled in rock; could not be proved. Ok, now "prove"
that Celine's lip-synched performances are insincere. And, don't give
me anymore subjective opinions.
I quote you: "Live music is a million times better than a studio
record, I guess you really don't know what you're talking about." Do
you call THAT being objective? To me, the studio record is better than
live sometimes. Not always, but sometimes. I enjoy live too, because,
as you yourself say, it's different. But, I wouldn't say live music is
a million times better. That's an opinion.
I quote you again: "a 'spoofed up' record as you put it has flat one
dimensional compressed easily digestible sound..." Again, that itself
is an opinion.
And how are Celine fans being gullible by buying Celine's albums? We
like the music, simple as that! We love her voice! What does buying
her albums have anything to do with your arguments? Also, how do you
know Celine sings without emotion? Again, and again, I say, that is
strictly your opinion. You gotta really dig deep into a song and find
its meaning to draw out emotions. I mean, there have been times when
Celine cried while singing certain songs. You tell me, are those tears
fake? Celine has often said that she sings to bring out emotions, and
personally I believe she does it really well. All this is a matter of
musical preferences. You probably don't like Celine's music to begin
with. I find your arguments to be awfully biased.
In the Larry King interview, how was Celine being offensive? I agree
with Celine. I'd get tired too if I'm asked the same question a
million times....not to mention, it's a dull lie (the thing about her
being anorexic).
How can you be sure Celine married Rene because of the rumour stating
that she is a lesbian? You are guessing again. Do you have the proofs?
To me, Celine and Rene are in love, even though Rene is much older.
Just see how they treat each other! I know, I know, you're going to
come up with some silly biased answer. Well, what I'm getting at is
you can't be absolutely sure. Why am I bringing all this stuff up?
Because you claimed you are objective. Now, I'm not trying to get you
down or anything. I'm trying to question your arguments. You get my
point....
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Connie
>why don't you research before you make a comment
Are you just stupid?
Have you ever been to a Céline concert? I have. She didn't lip-synch
anything. She had a cold and had just found out that her husband had cancer,
and she still sang live.
Connie
http://www.geocities.com/paris/maison/4606/celine.html
"I'll paint my mood in shades of blue, paint my soul to be with you..."
Johnny412
>That's bullshit. If you've been to more than a few live concerts you'll
>know what real live vocals sound like,
I have been to other live concerts, and you keep saying this assuming that we
all eat drink and sleep Celine. We have seen other artists live in concert.
>Again,
> She DOES lip-SYNC at concerts, it's
>not exactly easy to spot if 98% of the crowd are further than 100 feet away
I've been up close and seen the concerts on tape, and still say that you're
spewing bullshit.
.>The roadie who opened his mouth about the Celine lip-syncing issue hasn't
>seen one lawsuit thrown his way,
How do you know? Are you his lawyer? How would you know what's going on in
court behind closed doors? Or even if Celine has started to deal with the
lawsuit yet since she's been promoting her new album internationally in the
past month and has had no free time.
>If you saw her expressions and how she worded her answers there you'd see
>how hollow and transprent her adrguments were.
I saw her expressions and answers and still don't see how her arguements are
hollow and transparent - she never gave him a bad attitude and spent time
talking about the things that the public wanted to hear, not the same old lame
rumors about her being anorexic, marrying an older man, lipsynching, blah blah
blah.
>Celine was definitely fatter
>before,
Your arguements are getting dumber and dumber..I don't think ANYONE has ever
used the word "fat" to describe her .Celine has been this skinny her whole
life. Please answer me this one question, and if you don't, I'll assume you're
just admitting you're wrong - HOW IS IT SHE ISN'T IN THE HOSPITAL NOW IF SHE'S
BEEN ANOREXIC ALL THIS TIME? I mean, these anorexia rumors have been floating
around since before "falling into you". That's what, 5 years ago? Someone who
is anorexic for an extended period of time ends up in a hospital with an I.V.
in their arm since their body can't function due to the lack of energy. If
you've bothered to see any of Celine's concerts in the past few years, with her
dancing and running around the stage, she has anything but a lack of energy -
so what's your next made up stereotype for the day?
>I'm being objective with what demonstrated once again at her new year's
>spectacle.
What exactly did she demonstrate? As far as I hear, she lipsynched one song I
don't know why (maybe because it's new and she didn't have time to memorize the
whole song - she did sing 20 something songs that night and performed almost
every day up until that night). You'll probably say she lipsynched every song,
but you're entitled to believe whatever you want.
>If she was a genuine good sincere person I'd give her credit
>but that's not what she represents both live and in interviews.
>
So she's not genuine and sincere like Matthew Perry (lol) because you don't
think so. That makes sense. I have never seen her turn away from a fan asking
for an autograph, and I have never heard her say a bad word about anybody,
always talking about love. As far as I'm concerned, you're the one who sees
what he wants to see - even if it doesn't exist. At least come up with some
valid arguements if you're going to bash her, like that she doesn't write her
own music, or her songs are too sappy. Making up bullshit only gives your
arguements less credibility.
David Steinberg
So, how long have you been writing for Entertainment Weekly?
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David Steinberg
: Live music is a million times better than a studio record, I guess you
: really don't know what you're talking about.
Silly fool, we're all Celine fans here, so we DEFINATELY know the
magic that can be brought to a song when it's performed live.
In fact, you can see it for yourself. Go out and buy a copy of "Live a
Paris" (the video or the CD). You'll hear Celine singing live, in spite
of a very noticable head cold. It's amazing: the songs aren't technically
perfect, the colour of her voice is dramatically affected by the cold, and
yet she brings something special to songs. Just listen to her
breathtaking interpretation of "Pour que tu m'aimes encore." Then, come
back and write when you actually have something worthwhile to say about
Celine, instead of just repeating some lame rumours.
: That's bullshit. If you've been to more than a few live concerts you'll
: know what real live vocals sound like, that is if the obvious low key
: mouthing motion isn't a dead giveaway. She DOES lip-SYNC at concerts, it's
: not exactly easy to spot if 98% of the crowd are further than 100 feet away.
You like facts, right? Here's a challenge: back up all your empty claims
with facts.
You challenge our knowlege of concerts, I challenge your knowlege of
Celine concerts. How many of Celine's concerts have you attended? When
and where were they? Which songs did she lipsynch? How could you tell
they were lipsynched?
BTW, here's a clue: the allegations made by Peter Barbeau (drummer, not
roadie) are exactly that: allegations. They are not facts.
It is a complete fallacy to argue that, simply because he said something
and was not sued, we can conclude that his claims are true.
Example:
You, River, have three heads. You did not write a single word of any of
your postings; they were all written by your dog and best friend,
Chouchou, because you are actually illiterate. You have an inexplicable
tendancy to expose yourself in large crowds.
There. I said it. Following your argument, if you don't sue me then
obviously those statements are completely true.
: I'm being objective with what demonstrated once again at her new year's
: spectacle. If you want to turn a blind eye it's up to you, I guess it shows
: how gullible people really are at buying commercialism and superficiality at
: it's worst. If she was a genuine good sincere person I'd give her credit
: but that's not what she represents both live and in interviews.
It was evident to every fan that she lipsynched exactly one song in the
course of a two-and-a-half-hour performance at her New Years Eve
concert. This was observed by those who were at the concert itself, and
by those who were watching it on TV.
Now, if we could recognize one song being lipsynched, why couldn't we
recognize the others?
Do you want to actually post a reasonable argument, a valid point, or are
you just going to keep trolling?
Patou
Anonymes
Patricia
River <river_p...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message :
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>
> dmiller <dmi...@dmci.net> wrote in message
> news:3871...@nntp-out.newsnerds.com...
> > We don't need you to "explain" your theory on
> > Celine...until you can experience the singers' life, and having to sing,
> > sing, sing...and the strain it must be on her vocal cords at times...
you
> > CAN NOT be one to say " just sing the words" . There are reasons for
> > lip-syncing-- to promote!
>
> That is pretty sad. Lip-syncing simply to promote an album and you're
> trying to justify that, that's even worse. If that's what music has come
> down to then music is watered down to the lowest common denominator.
> When a 'live' performance is canned and basically a backing vocal with the
> singer moving her lips with pretentious superficial over the top
> melodramatics during the songs it's a total ripoff.
> Everything is insincere and staged, no real spontaneity especially in the
> singing. Simply canned pre-recorded vocal gymnastics devoid of soul.
Other
> than the Titanic song, the rest drown in melodramatics.
>
> .... so that first time listeners can hear the
> > spoofed up version with all the bells and whistels as opposed to the
live
> > version which is alwasy toned down somewhat.
>
> Live music is a million times better than a studio record, I guess you
> really don't know what you're talking about.
> A 'spoofed up' record as you put it has flat one dimensional compressed
> easily digestible sound. You basically bouight a 'widget' in a target
> market segment, congrats on being another gullible statistic.
>
>
> > As for her special...she sung To Love Your More live,
> > Conga, and Gloria's song... the rest of the songs were lip-synced to
> promote
> > her album... She NEVER lip-syncs at her concerts when she's on tour. I
> would
> > know, I have a few on tape, and I've been to one.
>
> That's bullshit. If you've been to more than a few live concerts you'll
> know what real live vocals sound like, that is if the obvious low key
> mouthing motion isn't a dead giveaway. She DOES lip-SYNC at concerts,
it's
> not exactly easy to spot if 98% of the crowd are further than 100 feet
away.
> The roadie who opened his mouth about the Celine lip-syncing issue hasn't
> seen one lawsuit thrown his way, GEE I wonder why. Don't insult people's
> intelligence with your own feeble non-points.
>
> > She probably evaded the
> > diet issue because she's tired of that redundunt question and all the
> > rumours! She has no eating dissorder and she's said this many many times
> on
> > many talk shows. She's naturally thin! She get's it from her
> father...take
> > a look at him and see how skinny he is.
>
> Sounds like you're rehashing her 'Larry King' interview word for word.
> If you saw her expressions and how she worded her answers there you'd see
> how hollow and transprent her adrguments were. Celine was definitely
fatter
> before, did her metabolism suddenly double.
> Nobody who eats normally looks as thin as she does on of her recent album
> covers.
>
> All the rest of this shit you're
> > throwing at us is YOUR opinion and does not need to be pressed in our
> faces
> > as facts... we could care less what you think. Start an Anti-Celine
> > Newsgroup if it tears you up that much, but don't start your crap here.
>
> I'm being objective with what demonstrated once again at her new year's
> spectacle. If you want to turn a blind eye it's up to you, I guess it
shows
> how gullible people really are at buying commercialism and superficiality
at
> it's worst. If she was a genuine good sincere person I'd give her credit
> but that's not what she represents both live and in interviews.
>
Anna Pakman
with a person who's speaking out of his ass and has no sense of logic
The Celine Fanatic
>anything. She had a cold and had just found out that her husband had cancer,
>and she still sang live.
Also during the Barbra Walters interview, Celine had a cold. She sang "Ce ne
t'ait qu'un reve" on camera without any music. You couldn't even hear that she
was sick in her voice. You tell me who does and does not sing live at concerts.
Celine, "I'm gonna love you 'All the Way'!"
The Celine Fanatic
>language than what was initially posted for the thread. I'm sure you have
>enough schooling in english to translate what you said below.
Well if you were French literate it wouldn't be rude. How do we know if you
are? Guess you're not!
kev...@my-deja.com
opinions on matters, but a lot of the statements you have made in your
post are totally without truth to back them up.
First of all, your comments of an eating disorder.....I believe this to
be totally false. I have eaten dinner quite often in a famous eatery in
Florida which shall remain nameless as I feel you are a threat to her
safety, and she too is there quite often. Eating light, granted, but
eating. Salads, a chicken like sandwich, veggies etc. And further more
if you think she is throwing this stuff back up, check the medical
journals on the damage this causes to ones throat.
As for the lip syncing. Come one........it is obvious that you have
never been to one of her concerts, well maybe one, but never another,
cause she sings her songs differently every night. I don't mean the
order either. I mean the ranges, some times she goes high in places and
other times she will go lower.
My daughter is a singer and there is such a thing as a mixing board used
in concerts. My daughter heard from a friend that Celine had the same
problems with her first song of the New Years Eve Concert, that my
daughter had one night at a Cancer Benifit Concert she gave recently.
The problem comes from the mixer. If the music is delayed by relay to
the head piece, of course she is going to be singing a little off with
the band.......thus it looks like you are lip syncing. If there is a lot
of 3D reverb being used ( and Celine as well as most artist today do use
this) you are always off with the music cause you are depending on the
guy at the mixing board to match your vocals with the music by using a
sync meter. A lot of this is to technical to get into here, but it
happens.
Another problem, if you are in the back of the stadium, some sounds hit
you before site does. Thus you look to be off. Big Screens are usually
always off..... They are usually on a 1 second broadcast delay.....no
reason, just electronics and power.
One thing I really don't under stand is this. If you dislike Celine Dion
as much as you seem.......why are you in the Celine Dion Music Fan site
to begin with. If you feel she isn't worth it, why spend all this time
typing out this letter.
Life is really to short.....use this valuable energy of yours telling
people in a site of someone you like all about why you really like that
person.
And before you start gloating again, when it comes up in trial, I will
tell you now. There are a lot of things in the music business that you
obviously are not aware of.
All singers and performers us back tracking. This enhances the vocals
and in most cases and is what is used on tv appearences etc.
Next time you are at a concert, look around you. There are 100,s of
people in the back ground making this thing happen, and making you sound
as great as you can, and sometimes thigs just don't come together as
they did during sound check. Next time, when ever that may be now, you
see she is in concert........get there about 4 in the afternoon and
listen to her warming up during the mic and sound check. You will have
no problems believing she can hit those high notes or the low notes for
that matter. And you don't have to be in the building to hear her
either.
Sincerely,
Kevin
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Before you buy.
Johnny412
>Well, if YOU can't tell what live vocals sounds like then you haven't been
>to too many real live shows. What was your previous show, Sarah Brightman
My last show was Billy Joel NYE, and before that was everything from Celine to
Aerosmith to Sheryl Crow I've seen. So once again your assumptions are wrong,
since again you have no facts to back it up.
>You're not watching closely enough or listening for live variation in the
>vocal delivery for any show
Really? Sitting in the 5th row at her concert you'd think I'd be able to see.
And I do watch for a different vocal delivery each time. Everytime she sang my
heart will go on she hits that high note differently.
>The
>roadie told the truth, if he hadn't been, there would jave been slander
>lawsuits for future lost ticket sales.
Future lost ticket sales? She sold everything out and sold millions of albums
since that accusation. And again I ask you, what is your proof that there
isn't a counter lawsuit going on?
> Same with Celine, the truth is out there thanks to the
>roadie.
First of all, stop using the term roadie. It was her former drummer. Get your
facts straight before you make up bullshit. All of us in this newsgroup watch
her very carefully (usually too carefully) and immediatly post when she
lipsynchs something (as she did at the radio city show).
>C'mon, she definitely had that bad attitude chip on her shoulder on King.
Yea, she spoke like a total asshole, giving him all that bad attitude!
lol....how long are you going to go on about the same stupid crap with no
proof? Please tell me something she said (a specific example) showing that
she had a chip on her shoulder.
>She was lying through her teeth especially about eating anything she wants.
Again, how long are you going to go through the same crap without proof. Oh
wait, since you're related to her you know the real truth, I forgot. For some
reason you keep forgetting to answer my question: Why isn't she in the
hospital getting psychological attention if she had anorexia? You'll probably
forget to answer that one again.
>Her face and bod can't look as thin as one oh her recent disc covers
Who says that? The Celine haters? Are you telling me that I have to put on
weight so that people WON"T get the impression that I'm anorexic? You should
try looking up the word stereotype in the dictionary.
>she carefully watches what and how much she eats.
Try running around the stage every other night belting out songs, traveling to
a different city every other night, etc.. and see how easy it is for you to put
on weight. Do you really think she has time to be picky and go on all kinds of
fancy diets?
>Well, even if she married George Michael or Lorenzo Lamas you'd have an
>excuse.
I'm not making excuses. I'm stating facts unlike you. You know that word?
F-A-C-T-S.
>If you can't see through all that then
What makes you so special that you could see through that stuff? Because you
hate her you have the ability to see through it? Is that the way it works?
>Glorifying what she represents is rather dense.
She never claimed to represent anything. She sings because she loves to sing.
If people like her, they go to see her concerts. If people dislike her, they
don't (or they troll the newsgroup and try to get fans to turn against her -
doesn't work)
>Your local
>fireman or ER surgeon is the real deal, no bullshit marketing job
Wait a second>!?!?!? What about Matthew Perry? You mean he isn't the real
deal?!? =( I'm heartbroken!
I'm sure you'll respond to this using your same repetitive descriptions with no
specific facts to back them up - how she MUST be lipsynching because her former
drummer claimed she is. She MUST be anorexic because she's thin. She MUST be
fake and cold and cutthroated since she's not a fireman or surgeon or Matthew
Perry.
Connie
>rumour, it was a very quickly arranged speedy marriage.
This is false. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about! She
and René were together for at least 6 years before they got married, and their
marriage was planned way in advance.. it was NOT "a very quickly arranged
speedy marriage"! Do at least a little research pal!
Connie
>no
>specific facts to back them up - how she MUST be lipsynching because her
>former
>drummer claimed she is. She MUST be anorexic because she's thin. She MUST
>be
>fake and cold and cutthroated since she's not a fireman or surgeon or Matthew
>Perry.
LOL!
The troll is off his rocker. And maybe he has a thing for Matthew Perry.. with
all this talk about being homosexual and all...
River.. tu es très ignorant.. pauvre bébé.. (c'était parce que je sais combien
tu aimes les français.. lol)
By the way.. most of us here can read and write in French *and* English.. get
used to it :)
jef...@my-deja.com
you have came up with for the past 50 messages was the same crap over
and over again.. why dont you take your pointless babble else where...
people here in this newsgroup have better things to do than sit here and
waste their time with your petty, childish, pointless, little talk about
how much you think celine sucks.. frankly we could really care less what
you think, like what others have said before! instead of asking someone
else how old they are, why dont you look in the mirror and ask yourself!
cuz so far im getting the image that your about 8 - 9 years old...
with your pathedic, chilidish, pointless, babble, OH wait did I
repeat my self, doesn't that sound familiar??
what is beyond me is what on earth possesed you to come here and
start all of this, nonsence of yours.. you haven't proved crap about
anything you have said here so far.. all you can do is go on and on
about the same crap with out giving evidence. Now i my history teacher
was here to type you wouldn't hear the end of it for giving some sort of
BS with no evidence to support your claim, so therefore you must be a
moron. So take the hint leave, your not wanted here, no one cares what
you think really... truely, its pointless!
David Steinberg
: Not if it's lip-synced ot comes across as contrived thanks to her bogas
: superficial contrived melodramatic body and facial contortions. If you buy
: that facade I have some swamp land in florida to sell you.
: If you can't spell 'DEFINITELY' so much for credibility. How old are you,
: 14?
Pot. Kettle. Black.
You mispelled "you're" in a previous post (you wrote the possessive
"your" when you wanted in the contraction of "you are"), but does anybody
sink to the level of attacking that? Ah yes, when you have no more
reasonable facts or arguments, just attack a typo...
Pathetic.
: She has lip-synced tons of shows. Next time she does an online chat, ask
: her about it, see if she has the guts to admit the truth. Tell to her to
: swear on a holy bible or else we'll get the usual marketing pitch and
: excuses.
She doesn't do online chats.
If you knew anything at all about Celine, you'd know that. But you
don't. You just repeat the same lame lies and baseless allegations.
Whatever.
"Tons of shows"? Which shows? Which songs? Be specific. Your comments
are so general as to be meaningless. If you could back up any of your
spews with one specific fact, maybe you'd have a hope of being convincing
one day.
I specifically brought up "Live a Paris." Have you seen the video or
heard the CD? Did you listen for the obvious cold in her nose? How do
you explain that?
Or, will you just continue to ignore the evidence and repeat your baseless
claims?
: You don't want to admit the truth. If you don't how someone can tell a song
: is 'lip-synced' than your hardly an authority on discerning it. Well
: everything isn't perfectly in sync and the singer is noticeably 'mouthing
: the words' while the vocal straining doesn't match or is inconsistent with
: the demands of that particular chorus or verse. If you watch enough euro
: variety shows you can spot it in your sleep.
I can tell. I can spot it in my sleep. I knew she was lipsynching
"Live" within the first couple seconds of it.
I'm asking for the specific facts that lead you to conclude that a
specific song was lipsynched. If you can't give that, you're wasting your
time and mine.
: > BTW, here's a clue: the allegations made by Peter Barbeau (drummer, not
: > roadie) are exactly that: allegations. They are not facts.
: Yeah and OJ Simpson was 'alleged' to have committed a crime. I rest my
: case. nobody is suing the drummer just like nobody sued those people making
: those Michael Jacjson child molestation accusations. Out of court
: settlement there.
You rest your case? For your sake, don't ever try to become a lawyer.
: One BIG problem with that argument. NOBODY in Celine's camp/management
: called it false. Even if they had, they'd just be covering their asses.
: With their quiet hope it dies down approach was akin to 'sweeping it under
: the carpet.'
Bullshit. Celine herself issued a statement saying that those allegations
were false. Again, you have no knowlege of the facts. You've gotten just
about all of them wrong so far, from this one to saying it was her roadie
(when it was actually a drummer).
: One song that was VERY obvious, if she hadn't goofed up it may gone
: undetected.
Goofed it up? I could tell it was lipsynched as soon as it started. It
sounded completely different from the rest of the concert, which was
obviously live. If you could post one specific piece of evidence that
any of the other songs were lipsynched, I would post a list of all of the
slightly off notes, unique improv's, etc. that clearly show they were not.
But you can't and you won't, so I won't waste my time.
: Would you care to wager what percentage of the SONGS were lip-synced. I
: think you'd be shocked.
Exactly one song was lipsynched.
: Why would she lip-sync only 1 song if she can hit the same high notes for
: any song. Use some common sense. If she has the audacity to lip-sync a
: song for a national audience what's going to stop her for doing it for every
: song during a grueling world tour where people are clueless at what's really
: being sung by a prerecorded disc on cue, well chreographed with appropriate
: breaks and someone manning the console during the audience exchanges.
Yadda yadda. Maybe she lipsynched the one song because it was right in
the middle of two and half hours of energetic, vocally demanding
performance.
All you've got so far is speculation...
Yet you yammer on about facts and objectivity. Right. How about just one
fact in all of your posts?
: Pavarotti routinely lip-syncs his ENTIRE perfomances including the 500,000
: Hyde Park broadcast and nobody said a word for many months until it finally
: leaked.
That might be true, it might not. If you've got as a firm a grip of the
facts about that as you do about Celine...then it's probably all false.
Either way, it doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with Celine, does it?
And still we wait for one true fact about Celine.
Doodling
> Your credibility just hit the floor here. Live music sung live
> can be
> magical and unique, a different flavour and personality/variation
> every time
> out. If you want to hear the studio version stay home. A live
> show is
> where music is sung live. If the performer can't cut it live
> since the
> spoonfed masses would be disppointed in how live music sounds than
> so be it.
> If you enjoy being ripped off with lip-syncing that's sad.
Hah, you still talk about being objective? Just listen to what you've
said in the line "If you enjoy being ripped off with lip-synching
that's sad." Believe me, that is not a fact. It's your
narrow-mindedness that's making you say that. What if I want to be
"sad"? What can you do about it? Again, what can you accomplish by
converting us into Celine-haters? I know, I know...there'd be less
people praising Celine. So what's your problem with us praising her?
So what if we like a "fake", as you claim. Stop worrying about us and
get a life. Even if what you've said was true, you can't do anything
about it.
> LOL. And lip-syncing is sincere, c'mon get a reality check. Her
> facial and
> body contortions and mannerisms are the most contrived I've ever
> seen, those
> are as insincere as her lip-synced mouthing motion.
> If the vocals are canned/prerecorded, she isn't singing, where's
> the real
> live passion.
You forgot to answer my question. ARE YOU GOD??????? How can you be
absolutely positively sure about everything you say? Can you look into
Celine's heart and soul? And when Celine does her gestures, it's from
the emotions she feels. I know I know, you're going to say the same
BS. It's all a scheme or plan to "manipulate". There's so much more I
want to say, but many others have already made the points I want to
make. I suggest you read those first. Johnny412 makes the most sense
in this NG (and a few others). Also, almost everyone who knows Celine
says she's a really nice person. As for your dull Larry King
repetitive argument, it's just absurd. To YOU, Celine may have been
mean and cruel. Even if she was rude that day, you gotta understand
that everyone has their ups and downs. You can't judge a person on
just one interview. Talk about judging a book by its cover.....
> You forgot, she DOESN'T sing them , she lip-syncs to prerecorded
> vocals, so
> much for real live passion and being sincere with her audience,
> FAKE studio
> recorded vocals. This is too easy and blatantly ovbvious.
I'm not saying Celine doesn't lip-synch. I'm asking YOU: HOW MANY
PERFORMANCES HAVE YOU SEEN? OUT OF THE 500 CONCERTS (and even more
(within a span of the last 2 years)), HOW MANY HAVE YOU BEEN TO? stop
assuming she lip-synchs every performance.
> You missed the point. Live music SUNG live is a million times
> more timeless
> and emotional than prerecorded studio tracks coming out of the PA.
> But on
> top of that, her live gestures come across as incredibly
> pretentious and
> exaggerated, not just a little, but mega-exaggerated. It's as
> fake as her
> prerecorded vocals.
> So much for a live show.
Again, you're being awfully subjective. You keep on saying it's much
better live. Yes, ok, you can give me that interval argument (about
high and low frequencies), and I won't argue against that because I
agree. But you start getting subjective by saying studio recordings
are "bad". Ok, so you say they're "bad". And you say I'm lame for
likeing them. RIGHT THERE, buster, that's an opinion. So what if I
like one-dimensional music? So what if I"m "Low". What if it just so
happened that being "low" is the "in" thing? then what? it's a good
thing? I've studied psychology for the past 2 years, and one thing we
learn about is how the brain works and why people think the way they do.
And certainly, we learn to differentiate fact from opinion. To me,
that's one of the easiest part of psychology. And I know when I hear
an opinion. You say I don't have psychology studies as credibility.
Ok, let's see you slaving away at a psychology textbook for 2 years,
study hundred of analyses of different people, and all that stuff. You
think it's easy?
> Actually it's a fact.
> A studio recording is ALWAYS one dimensional(FACT) and
> FLAT/sterile since
> high and low frequencies are recorded AT THE SAME TIME. When your
> ears hear
> any 'live' sounds, the high and low frequenciesarrive at your ears
> at
> DIFFERENT intervals which gives live muic it's 3 dimensional
> ambient live
> presence. That;s a HUGE difference. Once you hear the difference
> there's
> no going back. A live broadcast or official release is also very
> flat,
> lifeless, and one dimensional sounding since all frequencies are
> recorded at
> the SAME time, not at the appropriate different intervals. That's
> why
> broadcasts and soundboards suck and studio releases are in that
> same
> category.
> You haven't been to too many great live shows or heard too many
> incredible
> recordings(not board or FM/TV btw), that's fine, you can remain in
> the dark
> and enjoy your flat sterile overproduced recordings with no life or
> ambience.
Hah, even right here, your so called "facts" are out in the open and
rotting with falsehood. A FACT CAN BE PROVEN. Again, your calling me
lame and dull and having no life is totally subjective. Think hard on
that... The only facts you've given were about the frequencies.
Saying live is always better is unique to YOU.
> > I quote you again: "a 'spoofed up' record as you put it has flat
> one
> > dimensional compressed easily digestible sound..." Again, that
> itself
> > is an opinion.
> I'll reiterate what was said above since you missed that balck and
> white
> fact:
> Studios record at 96 or 48 than resample, compress, and EQ to 44.1
> in the
> digital domain to arrive at the processed far from transparent
> commerical
> sound.
> A studio recording is ALWAYS one dimensional(FACT) since high and
> low
> frequencies are recorded AT THE SAME TIME. When your ears hear
> any 'live'
> sounds, the high and low frequenciesarrive at your ears at
> DIFFERENT
> intervals which gives live muic it's 3 dimensional ambient live
> presence.
Again, I agree with you on the one-dimensional fact.
> > And how are Celine fans being gullible by buying Celine's
> albums? We
> > like the music, simple as that! We love her voice! What does
> buying
> > her albums have anything to do with your arguments? Also, how
> do you
> > know Celine sings without emotion?
You're going off the subject. You're beginning to not have anything
new to say so you're trying to add twists to it... well, it's not
working. We love Celine for her voice, her music, and her character.
You're going to say something trite about her character...I can sense
it. "it's manipulative", "evasive", etc. Have you lived in her
immediage entourage? You can't know for sure. And even if you do live
in her immediate entourage, only God knows our hearts.
> She doesn't sing live, she lip-syncs, so much for real live
> passion, throw
> in her incredibly exaggerated broadway on speed body and facila
> movements
> and superficial mannerisms and you have a complete pretentious
> package that
> is dispensible and ultra transparent.
> Again, your lame coput dense opinion line. The lip-syncing is a
> fact once
> again proved with the new year's broadcast, hardly sincere and
> genuine, her
> contrived stage antics are easily visible to anyone who has eyes,
> let the
> pictures speak for themselves, her character and mannerisms in
> interviews
> are there for everyone to see. The real live vs studio canned
> sound
> argument had enough hard facts to keep your head spinning as you
> contemplate
> and extrapolate the implications.
> If she says she eats ANYTHING she wants(King) whenever she wants
> then I have
> some swamp land in florida to sell you dirt cheap with her ultra
> skinny cd
> cover as a throw-in.
You are so darn narrow-minded, I swear! It doesn't mean that if a
person is really skinny then he/she isn't eating right. I'll give you
an example. I have a friend who eats way more than I do. She eats
about 2 bowls of rice (every meal). And she doesn't exercise. She
eats quite a bit of junk food. Guess what...she's 30 pounds
underweight. And no, she doesn't have tapeworms. She's not sick in
bed all the time. Me on the other hand, eat less than her, exercise
occasionally, hardly eat junk food, and I'm 10 pounds overweight!
Explain that, Einstein! Duh, River, people have different metabolisms.
Like Johnny412 says, Celine would've ended up in the hospital long ago
if she was anorexic.
> I can't say 100% sure she's a lesbian but you have to admit the
> timing of
> her marriage to a far from Harlequin cover guy right after the
> strong
> reports started surfacing doesn't exactly look good.
You are assuming so many things. Coincidentally the timing is close,
and you draw a conclusion on that.
> Any way you slice it, there's TONS of baggage with Celine.
> If she was simply a nice person who was genuine and warm with
> people and in
> interviews and actually sung her songs LIVE without the bullshit
> facial and
> body gestures than she'd be a real artist and more importantly a
> real
> person.
> All i'm saying is people should get a reality check, dense posts
> just
> demonstrate how gullible people are to the packaging job. Sure,
> society as
> a whole has many fake individuals, we don't need to glorify people
> who are
> far from genuine like Celine.
> That is my main point. If anyone has any spine or character
> they'd agree
> with my points but most people simply rather continue applauding
> her
> superficial facade.
Well take your false points elsewhere. No one is believing them. I
still don't see why you're in this newsgroup. You're contributing to
nothing. Besides, won't you enjoy being in a NG that discusses what
you like, instead of one that discusses a peson you detest? You must
have no life for reading all these posts and attacking them...Also,
it's not for you to decide whether a person should think like you.
You're not perfect, and your views aren't always right. Get your ideas
straight.
> Uhm, it would if she actually sang the songs live rather than
> lip-syncing to
> prerecorded while using contrived overexaggerated facial and body
> gestures
> that everyone in their right mind can see as incredibly
> pretentious and
> hollow lacking sincerity just like her canned prerecorded vocals.
> So much
> for live singing and real live passion. How can a fan in the
> audience
> relate to lip-syncing unles you're appealing to the lowest comon
> denominator. It's 100% watered down.
I myself am repetitive because you are..answering your same ol
so-called arguments. When are you going to learn that the lip-synched
performances are in the minority? Remember, Celine has put on many
(and I mean MANY MANY) concerts. How many have YOU been to?
> Personally it's an overblown issue as far as Celine is concerned.
> MANY
> women and young girls closely watch what they eat and practically
> starve
> themselves to emulate the runway model and teen mag cover girl
> bods, it's a
> materialistic issue with society. That's life in the 90's and
> 2000. Of
> course Celine will play down the issue, she doesn't want the world
> to think
> she's paranoid about her diet. She looked she put on a few pounds
> for the
> new year's show than some of her pics from the last few years so
> she
> probably had a few sin foods here and there. Still, if you accept
> everything Celine says at face value which you seem to do, then
> you're
> hardly unbiased.
Um, earth to river, earth to river...who's being unbiased here? Who's
using subjective adjectives to describe a person he hates? I've said
it and I'll say it again. There's no point in your being here. Oh
yeah, we're going to hate Celine now.
> Since she arranged and announced she'd be marrying Rene within
> days of that
> rumour, it was a very quickly arranged speedy marriage. She
> didn't wait til
> the following summer to get married, she was in a major hurry to
> get married
> and squash the negative PR. The situation was identical to
> country singer
> Randy Travis who had similar strong rumblings and got married with
> his
> manager literally within weeks, the bad PR would've killed his
> career with
> country fans. Travis' quickie wife/manager was a fair bit OLDER
> than him.
> Rene wasn't exactly Harlequin cover boy material while being MUCH
> OLDER,
> Celine is attractive in the eyes of many and could have easily
> found a young
> hunky romancer, you have to look seriously at the alterior motives
> OBJECTIVELY. There's just too much there to ignore and the quick
> timing
> speaks for itself.
Get your darn facts straight! Celine and Rene have had their love
affair way before 1994! It started in 1988 (or 1986? I forgot). What
a pathetic person you are. I mean, even looking at Rene and Celine
NOW, they're totally in love. How many years have Celine been married.
5 years. That's enough to divorce him (without anyone still thinking
she is a lesbian) if she didn't really love him.
Martin Bradford
Connie <cdtou...@aol.comCeline> wrote in message
news:20000104210900...@ng-fc1.aol.com...
> >I'm sure you'll respond to this using your same repetitive descriptions
with
> >no
> >specific facts to back them up - how she MUST be lipsynching because her
> >former
> >drummer claimed she is. She MUST be anorexic because she's thin. She
MUST
> >be
> >fake and cold and cutthroated since she's not a fireman or surgeon or
Matthew
> >Perry.
>
> LOL!
>
> The troll is off his rocker. And maybe he has a thing for Matthew Perry..
with
> all this talk about being homosexual and all...
>
> River.. tu es très ignorant.. pauvre bébé.. (c'était parce que je sais
combien
> tu aimes les français.. lol)
>
> By the way.. most of us here can read and write in French *and* English..
get
> used to it :)
>
Oui River, il faut que tu sache que si tu veux parler de Celine tu DOIS
parler un peu de francais.
Well Said/Bien dites Connie!!!!
Martin Bradford
> It's not considered nice to talk/respond behind someone's back in another
> language than what was initially posted for the thread. I'm sure you
have
> enough schooling in english to translate what you said below.
>
>
MR SUPAD
Martin Bradford
MR SUPAD <sup...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:26603-38...@storefull-177.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Julie
> all this talk about being homosexual and all...
In think you can better get him with River Phoenix...just have a look at
his e-mail address. Hell, I have no clue what this guy did that makes
him anyhow famous, I just know he died because he was hooked on drugs
and couldn't stop some years ago...a girl from my class (who is in the
drug scene now as well, btw) used to have a really obsession about
him...I don't know what it's like now, I haven't met her for quite a
while since those drugs totally destroyed her...but hey, this guy must
have been so cool, no? I think I know why River comes here telling us
shit...because his own obsession doesn't need to be talked down,
everybody thinks bad about River Phoenix, so he's jealous of people who
can talk about their idoles without all people around telling bad facts
about them...so now he has some desire to show others what this feels
like and tries to find his own negative "facts" about other artists
because he thinks it might hurt their fans...but gues what, my little
poor River, it doesn't, because we know the truth, and the truth about
Céline is (in opposite to the one about River Phoenix) positive!
Bye,
Julie
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So...Let's talk about love!" -Céline Dion-
Patou
Patricia
Anna Pakman <ann...@mindspring.com> a écrit dans le message :
3873C5E3...@mindspring.com...
> river pheonix est mort hahha
> va chier river
>
Anna Pakman
Anna Pakman
Patou wrote:
> It was you River???
>
> Patricia
> Anna Pakman <ann...@mindspring.com> a écrit dans le message :
> 3873C5E3...@mindspring.com...
Patou
tought it was you and you were joking..sorry..:-)
Patricia
Anna Pakman <ann...@mindspring.com> a écrit dans le message :
3873CF67...@mindspring.com...
Anna Pakman
actor who died from a drug overdose.
Mathieu Richard
In fact, "va chier" means "go shit". "Va te faire foutre" means "fuck you".
That was the french lesson for today.
Mathieu
Anna Pakman
jef...@my-deja.com
like it leave... this newsgroup isn't set aside for english speaking
people only, its all languages around the world, moron... some people on
here can't speak english very well so they put it in french, how do you
know if she was bashing you?? for all you know she was translating
something! BUT Oh yeah thats right your "god" you seem to think you know
everything there is to know about celine, and everything on this earth.
Welll ive got news for you buster, get your head out of your ass! you
shouldn't be the one to be talking about not being nice... all you have
been doing is bashing everyone and celine, and not getting it through
your thick skull that you are to narrow minded and incompitent! the
world doesn't revolve around you or your opinions, get a life, leave
your wasting your time babbling... still you keep going on about the
same stuff.
-In article <tvwc4.28906$B6.1...@quark.idirect.com>,
- "River" <river_p...@hotmail.com> wrote:
- It's not considered nice to talk/respond behind someone's back in
-another language than what was initially posted for the thread. I'm
-sure you have enough schooling in english to translate what you said
-below.
Mathieu Richard
False. I live in Quebec. You don't. I know what I'm talkin' about. You
don't.
Why didn't you answer my questions ?
Mathieu
Mathieu Richard
You have no credibility.
Mathieu
Johnny412
>Great, another post from a kid who >accepts everything mass media >spoonfeeds
him at face value.
Thank you River. You finally admitted it!
Johnny412
>I did, the 1995 date was SET within 2 months of the quickly circulating
>Celine lesbian stories which started coming from various Quebec media.
Could you please give us the name of a specific newspaper that reported this?
Martin Bradford
>
> <jef...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> >
> > Now i my history teacher
> > was here to type you wouldn't hear the end of it for giving some sort of
>
spoonfeeds
> him at face value.
>
> 'renewing her wedding vows' in Vegas days ago in an over the top lavish
> ceremony, there was a local TV station here that played back the ceremony
at
> the lobby of the building they have there TV studio in and just got random
> people's opinion if they stopped to check out the video screen. Every
> single one of them said that it was WAY WAY over the top, they all just
> shook their heads in disbelief and disgust at the lavishness and elitist
> tone. Celine's outfit was pegged at a cost of several hundred thousand,
the
> whole cereomny was major overkill.
> Later tonight an italian station carried performances from 1999 inclduing
> Celine San Remo lip-sync performance where she kept slapping her thigh
with
> sudden 80 mile on hour arm motions every 15 seconds almost like a robot.
> Her live over the top overkill body gestures frankly rub alot of people
the
> wrong the way since it's so exaggerated and fake, throw in lip-syncing,
and
> a multi-million 'wedding vow renewal' which left the average man and woman
> on the street shaking their head in disgust.
>
>
>
Martin Bradford
Mathieu Richard <ma...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:z_ed4.837$L25....@wagner.videotron.net...
> You have no credibility.
>
> Mathieu
>
>
You only JUST realised?!?!
Martin Bradford
Anna Pakman <ann...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3873C5E3...@mindspring.com...
> river pheonix est mort hahha
> va chier river
>
Tu sais parler francais Anna?
Martin Bradford
a lesson?news:7Zgd4.7278$tT2....@quark.idirect.com...> news:QLQc4.2553$Bu1....@wagner.videotron.net...
> > > LOL..yes va chier it's fuck you..
> >
> > In fact, "va chier" means "go shit". "Va te faire foutre" means "fuck
> you".
> >
> > That was the french lesson for today.
>
>
> > Mathieu
> >
> >
>
>
jon...@my-deja.com
"River" <river_p...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Just today an italian station replayed her San Remo 1999 performance,
as
> usual another lip-sync job with the usual hand slapping and facial
bowel
> movement type expressions.
>
If you HEARD it on a radio station, how do you know she was doing
the "usual" hand slapping and facial movements? And how do you know
she was lipsyncing if you didn't even see her mouth as it was on the
radio? Aren't we a little biased.
Johnny412
>They're not recylcing the same chorus like a record. Common sense please.
>
Common sense means having back up for your so-called facts. Anytime someone
asks you for a source, your response is "Anyone can see it" Well, obviously
your the only one. The only Celine performance you've seen is the one on TV
new years eve, where she did sing one song lipsynced, so what are you basing
your other lipsyncing claims on other than accusations from a former band
member? Oh wait, that's right...Anyone who isn't blind could see it.
>Where is Celine's lawsuit, it doesn't exist.
How do you know?
>It's not a 'bad attitude' it's a superficial facade' and excuse for
>everything at all costs chip on her shoulder.
Please tell us something she said that makes her superficial.
>One of the
>other Celine fnatics mentioned she admitted a few years ago she was anorexic
Really? When was this? I mean, there's no way you could have just made that
up, so where exactly did you ever hear her admit that?
>If you didn't see any ego during her recent King interview you weren't
>watching the same interview.
Apparently you're the only person who saw her "ego" I guess everyone else is
blind and oblivious.
>She spends millions on a ceremony in high profile Las Vegas, flies in 250
>guests at her expense, is part of an over the top ceremony where she's
>CARRIED around on some wooden contrapment by 2 people who act more like
>slaves of royalty throughout the
You seem to follow Celine an awful lot for someone who dislikes her.
>Judging by people's opinions,
Who's opinion? Yours?
>> Try running around the stage every other night belting out songs
>
>She's lip-syncing a good chunk of it.
>
I repeat, try RUNNING AROUND the stage every other night belting out songs.
>I don't hate her. I just have no respect for someone who puts on that
>facade and is totally transparent with her marketing selling job as she
>mechanically contorts her arms, body, and face and lipsyncs the words.
You are still yet to show us any reliable proof of this. You've been babbling
the same crap over and over about contrived, superficial, etc...without giving
us a single specific example.
> If
>that isn't fake enough for you I have some swamp land in Florida to sell
>you.
With all the times you've used that swamp land line, I'd imagine it must have
been sold already.
>Matthew Perry? You mean he isn't the
>real
>> deal?!? =( I'm heartbroken!
>
>At least in real life he's a genuine and sincere good person.
Why's he a good person? I say he's an asshole. I saw him on Oprah and easily
noticed how superficial he is. He says what he says to try to please the
public and treats people like they are idiots. Besides, Matthew Perry is a fag
- he's not married.
> Teri Hatcher
>is another good example.
She's a whore! First she goes screwing everyone in sight on the movie set,
then as soon as those bisexual rumors came out, she married that guy who plays
Clark Kent on the superman show. And then they get divorced after 2
weeks...Yea, she's great.
>The drummer is just something tangible people can latch onto since they're
>too blind to use their eyes and ears
Seems like your the only person who has latched onto that. Everyone else knows
the truth.
Could you please bless us with another post in response to this giving us your
"swamp land in florida" line again? And also don't forget to mention about how
Celine is contrived and superficial and over the top and also, make sure you
don't give us ANY basis to those accusations.. Thanks.
Johnny412
>With that logic, maybe Connie has a thing for Celine.
River - you're the one who brought up and is obsessed with homosexuals and
lesbians. Maybe we're a little insecure in our sexuality? Or are we in
college and have yet to have a girlfriend?
Johnny412
>You sound like someone im her entourage given the alarmist post. I think
>you have too much time on your hands.
I knew it was only a matter of time until you resorted to the "you have too
much time on your hands" reply...Look who responded to 12 posts in a row
River..You have just as much time on your hands as the rest of us.
Johnny412
>But the real giveaway is HOW the vocals sound. Prerecorded vocals still
>have that clean polished perfectly mixed sugar coated feel.
>
How would you know how Celine sounds live? You have never seen her in concert.
You've only watched her on TV.
Julie
> though.
> At least there's someone on this NG who can actually use their brain to come
> up with a well thought out theory, as totally sidetracked as it may be.
Hey, I got him! I got him, I got him, I got him! I'm kinda proud, I
should become a psychologist ;-)
> Surprising though that you would accept Celine's facade and transparency at
> face value for someone with an introspective outlook.
>
> 'Hurt her fans', give me a break, I'm simply pointing out what's obvious
> about Celine live concert antics, her real personality that comes through in
> various interviews, live miming, and music videos.
>
> It's not about anti-positive, it's about realistically how Celine acts,
> superficial manipulative facade intact.
I won't comment on that. You know my opinion about it and I know what
you will answer if I tell it again, so it's a waste of time.
> I'm surprised someone with some sense of introspection would fall so easily
> for Celine's 'act.' You sound smarter than that.
I'm surprised that someone I have such a bad opinion about can have such
a good one about me. You sound more stupid than that.
> I guess you're still
> pretty young
Yeah. And you're an old wise man who knows all about life, and about
showbizz and music and of course about Céline, and now you're gracious
enough to teach us all about it, right? You know what, we're sorry, but
we don't need your help. You'd better have done that favor to River
Phoenix, he seemed to have some really psychological problems...however
I don't think you could have persuaded him with always the same
arguements, not even that guy...
> and more forgiving of purely materialistic motivations.
Omg, I'd like to...tu sais qu'est-ce que tu es? Un espèce de con!
> You see Celine as a successful independent strong woman and that in itself
> is a good goal for any young woman so you appreciate that she's successful
> and has honed her talent to reach her goals.
And I see her as a very kind and caring person...however, you don't seem
to know what that is. I suppose in your oppinion River Phoenix was kind
and caring when he was desperately seeking for a way to get more and
more drugs...btw, what are your goals? To annoy as much people as
possible?
> You can overlook her over the
> top superficiality for the time being.
You know how I think about this...however, I'll never be able to
overlook that someone needs drugs to make him happy...you can that?
Anna Pakman
Anna Pakman
:)
River wrote:
> Another french post. I speak english. I was wondering if the person was
> ripping me behind my back in another language which would be uncalled for
> and rude given it's in another language which I can't comprehend.
>
jef...@my-deja.com
> Great, another post from a kid who accepts everything mass media
>spoonfeeds
> him at face value.
LOL! what are you talking about? for one my histrory teacher is not a
mass of media people.. hes one person! so i think your just a little
wacked there! and i think hes correct that when you come on here and
just spill out all of this stuff, and not give any evidence to support
your point well then your obviously a moron! secondly, Im not stupid, i
know not to believe everything you read or see on tv.. most of what you
have been telling us about celine is from news articles or tv shows of
her! soo your just being a hypocryt!
> You have no idea how quickly the Celine backlash is these days. After
'renewing her wedding vows' in Vegas days ago in an over the top
lavish ceremony, there was a local TV station here that played back the
ceremony at the lobby of the building they have there TV studio in and
just got random people's opinion if they stopped to check out the video
screen. Every single one of them said that it was WAY WAY over the top,
they all just shook their heads in disbelief and disgust at the
lavishness and elitist tone. Celine's outfit was pegged at a cost of
several hundred thousand, the whole cereomny was major overkill.>
So what, she wanted to have a fancy wedding! big hairy deal.. She said
in a couple of her interviews with some people that it was going to be
kinda fancy... she didn't say "OH well its gonna be a big fancy thing"
right there, but she implied it! So what if it was an overkill, she had
fun, people had fun you only live once (maybe) and you are allowed to
have time to have fun and go over board... i dont see why you care that
she went over board, you dont even like her! what do you care what she
does with her money?? if you were her with millions of dollars im sure
you would go and buy some big fancy outfit to and wear it!
> Later tonight an italian station carried performances from 1999
inclduing Celine San Remo lip-sync performance where she kept slapping
her thigh with sudden 80 mile on hour arm motions every 15 seconds
almost like a robot. Her live over the top overkill body gestures
frankly rub alot of people the wrong the way since it's so exaggerated
and fake, throw in lip-syncing, and a multi-million 'wedding vow
renewal' which left the average man and woman on the street shaking
their head in disgust.
>
Here we go again!! ARGG, you keep gooing on and on and on and on about
the hand movements! give it up already, people have tryed to explain
this to you before!! but its no use to try to explain a simple thing to
a imcompitent mind like yours!! you keep going on and on about your own
pig headed little opinion because you dont like her! and the lip
synching stuff! your still not giving examples of anything of where you
seen this so give that up to! so your obviously a narrow minded, self
centered, stubborn, incompitent person!
jef...@my-deja.com
fuck out of this newsgroup! any person that didn't like celine wouldn't
stay around here this long! SOO.. im thinking that just maybe you like
her but your just in denial about it because all of your friends dont
like celine so you want to be a sheep and join the crowd, just so you
can have freinds?? OR it could be that you have so much time on your
hands and have no life the only thing you can do is come here and spread
around your false accusations (not all are false but 99% of them are)
around about celine, and bash other people for their opinions, and to
repeatedly say things over again! Just a thought...
FYI, Im just fine, i dont need to chill out!
In article <Z_gd4.7279$tT2....@quark.idirect.com>,
"River" <river_p...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You really should chill out with some Englebert Humperdick.
Che Lee Murphy
-" I really laugh to myself, I mean, what?
Whoever posted that obviously has nothing better to do and should get to hell
out of this newsgroup.
Ché
(Remove the angel from my address to reply.)
My website, Celine Dion.... On ne change pas
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
http://listen.to/celineangel
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Michael Arkins
First of all I'm not going to reply to anything I seen here from "River".
I'd just like to say something.
First of all River You seriously need help. I have never seen as much S**t
in my life as I've seen in your posts.
You wouldnt even get half the stuff you mention from a child.
Celine Dion to me is and will always be a Great person, She has a wonderful
personality,Lifestyle and is a true Role Model for her Fans and Not even God
himself would change my mind on that.
You can say what you want about Celine's Lifestyle but It's really you that
has an Attitude so Cop On !
Last but not least !
Shut your mouth, Here I am all the way in Ireland and I can smell the S**t
that's coming out of it.
Seeya,
Michael.
Martin Bradford
have to download them, but we dont actually get anything new out of them
except yet MORE time wasting.
Michael Arkins <michae...@eircom.net> wrote in message
news:856ail$re4$2...@scotty.tinet.ie...
Martin Bradford
jon...@my-deja.com
> > In article <RNgd4.7274$tT2....@quark.idirect.com>,
> > "River" <river_p...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Just today an italian station replayed her San Remo 1999
performance,
> > as
> > > usual another lip-sync job with the usual hand slapping and facial
> > bowel
> > > movement type expressions.
> > >
> >
> Italian TV(!!) station. Wake up. You know TV with full motion video.
>
That's odd. I don't even recall her playing in San Remo in 1999. I
didn't even hear anything about any concert being televised recently -
I'm sure someone on this newsgroup must have heard about this being
televised? Anyone?
Michael Arkins
WIDE
> little mikey.
What ?!?!?!?!
River your a prime example of what happens when your let out of a Mental
Asylum for a Day.
Weird !!!
A well Get a life,
Seeya,
Michael.
Martin Bradford
ACTUALLY help you to sing better.news:MABd4.10048$tT2....@quark.idirect.com...
>
> <jon...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:855u9d$i4u$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <RNgd4.7274$tT2....@quark.idirect.com>,
> > "River" <river_p...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Just today an italian station replayed her San Remo 1999 performance,
> > as
> > > usual another lip-sync job with the usual hand slapping and facial
> > bowel
> > > movement type expressions.
> > >
> >
> > the "usual" hand slapping and facial movements? And how do you know
> > she was lipsyncing if you didn't even see her mouth as it was on the
> > radio? Aren't we a little biased.
>
>
> >
Mathieu Richard
> have to download them, but we dont actually get anything new out of them
> except yet MORE time wasting.
Filters.
Mathieu
Doodling
> breathing/timing
> while singing and using your lower diaphragm if you want a
> stronger vocal
Yes, singing from your diaphragm is what brings out more powerful
vocals, but hand gestures DO help. I know, because I sing opera.
> presence.
> But it's all irrelevant for the most part since she's lip-synching
> anyways
> so I guess she feels she has to sell herself some other
> manipulative way on
> top of that.
Here's your usual lies with nothing to back them up. Celine fans, just
know that River is lying because all he can do is accuse and accuse,
yet nothing to back up what he says. Also notice how he regurgitates
everything, and he avoid certain questions. River, at least be a man
and admit when you're beat and wrong. God condemns pride. OH, and by
the way, you STILL haven't answered some questions I've asked you:
Are you God? If not, don't even judge Celine as being superficial,
because you can't know for sure. Sure you gave a reply, but that
didn't answer the question of whether or not you're God. There are so
many basic Celine facts that you don't even know. For example, you
said Celine's wedding was in 1995? Way off, dude. It was in 1994, and
by 1993, the news broke that Celine and Rene are in love. Look at the
booklet for Celine's album called "The Colour of My Love". River, your
argument saying "Celine got married quickly AFTER the lesbian rumors"
quickly crumbles to the floor. River, I know what you're trying to do.
You're hiding your weaknesses with lies and you're trying to make
yourself look good. Believe me River, you're just making yourself look
ridiculous. Just admit you're wrong already.
> Her superficial gestures and contortions are mucho overkill and
> fake just
> like her wedding ceremony entrance on an overpriced piece of
> plywood as
> she's carried by 2 people like slaves who are serving their
> superior. That
> was a misguided faux-pas that she'll never be able to shake from
> her growing
> PR file.
See, I was right! River, you just look for any opportunity to attack
Celine. Her marriage vow renewal has nothing to do with Celine being
"superficial". Celine married Rene in 1994. Ever since, it was hardly
a wife-husband relationship. They've been touring and recording,
hardly ever doing normal married couples stuff. Now that Celine is
taking a break from the limelight, they're doing this marriage renewal,
kinda like starting over, but this time for real like wife and husband,
not singing star and manager. They're going to try to live a normal
life.
I'll just say one more thing. River, if you're going to stay, at least
say nice things too. Celine isn't 100% evil you know? I mean, you
only mention the bad things, like when Celine lip-synchs. Celine sang
live at the Grammies, Rosie O Donnel show, Oprah, etc. Why don't you
mention those too? There's good and bad in everyone of us. Since you
yourself have flaws, don't judge Celine. I'll add that you haven't
exactly established a good reputation for yourself. Your words, lies,
and rude talk doesn't make you an angel.
Also, you said you're in here to make a point? River, you've made your
point already, and more than that. And you still haven't explained why
you're here if all you're going to do is bash Celine. Nobody is
believing you. And even if we're "stupid", and stuff, and "wasting our
time", as you said, well.....SO WHAT??? We're not wasting YOUR time.
Rather, you're wasting your own time by talking to "dumb" people like
us Celine fans.
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Doodling
blast bashing Celine, why don't you join the Celine haters fan club
instead of coming in here? Not only will club members accept you,
they'll embrace your lies and they won't disagree with you. You'll be
much happier in the club than in here.
And, might I add, this newsgroup IS FOR FANS. When you're watching
this forum (kind of like bookmark), take a look at your personal remarq
page. It'll say "Celine Dion-music FANS". So, all you trolls, please
leave. this is not the place for you. Maybe there's another forum
where Celine haters may discuss their hatred.
Johnny412
>Believe me River, you're just making yourself look
>ridiculous. Just admit you're wrong already.
>
He can't admit it. He's probably too cooked up on heroine and cocaine like the
real river phoenix.
Johnny412
>Is that right. Is that why yours truly, Matt, and several others have
>pointed to SPECIFIC performances like Ohio, Radio City in NY, Oscars, San
>Remo, Grammys, and the rest of the lip-synched performances Matt alluded
>to, not to mention the obvious New Year's lip-synch screwup which has been
>pointed out several times by others on this NG.
Who are these several people on the newsgroup that said it? I'd like to know.
By the way, that so called san remo performance that we've never heard of being
televised or performed, no one except yourself said it was lipsynced.
>If you have 2 eyes and ears, watch and listen to Celine and you should get
>out more often if you don't know what real live vocals sound like.
Maybe if YOU had 2 eyes and ears, you'd realize Celine was singing live. See
that, it works both ways when you have no proof to back anything up.
>But buddy, thousands of people saw the new year's lip-synch timing screwup,
>what do you call that, proof or an aberration in ventriliquism.
I call that lipsyncing one song.
>If you caught Brightman and Pavarotti/Domingo's performance on Bravo a week
>ago, you'd have more easy proof at how widespread the problem is.
Again, you just love sitting in your room watching tv, don't you? Why don't
you try actually attending some of these concerts instead of accusing people
based on rumors, or as you say, "obvious facts that everyone sees."
>Yeah you must be the first
>opera singer who's called someone 'dude'. Your full of it kid.
>
Oh I see, so not only are you an expert on Celine, Music technicalities, music
theory, nutrition, but you're also a language expert. Judging by the way
you've constantly repeated yourself over and over with no proof, you have led
us to believe your still in elementary school.
>Huh, the rumours in the quebec media were out there well before that disc.
Please show us a source of these rumors. I have a feeling they only existed in
your sick little homosexual lesbian loving mind.
Doodling
answered for me, and said it best.
But, you know, that is ridiculous when you implied how opera singers
don't use the word "dude". That has nothing to do with me being a
singer. Yes, I'm a teen (nineteen to be exact, if you can still put
that age as "teenager" ), BUT I do sing opera. I have taken and passed
my singing class. I've been singing since I was in the 5th grade.
And hey, be lucky I called you dude. There are many people in this
newsgroup who would probably openly curse you to your face. I have the
decency to not call people names. I personally don't like using fowl
and insulting language.
No matter what you reply, you always avoid my one question. ARE YOU
GOD???????? You're so sure of yourself. It's not like you're an
expert or anything. Oh, sure everyone's got eyes and ears, but only
YOU out of the entire world talks the way you do about Celine. You
don't give actual facts to back your claims. Let's take the Larry King
interview for example. If you keep saying she acted cold,
manipulative, evasive, then that means there must be something she said
and did that stuck in your mind. Well, are you going to tell us then?
Most likely no, because it doesn't back up your accusations.
Lycka
> If you caught Brightman and Pavarotti/Domingo's performance on Bravo a
week
> ago, you'd have more easy proof at how widespread the problem is.
River,
I BEG you!
PLEASE turn the tape over
You are putting us all to sleep, show some mercy...
Pierre