The recent thread on 12-string songs was very interesting. I really
enjoy McGuinn's Rickenbacker sound on the Byrds albums and his solo
efforts. Tom Petty's sound seems to echo it and I hear it in The
Pretenders a bit too. Here's a list -- anyone care to add to it?
Byrds/McGuinn
Turn, Turn, Turn
Mr. Tambourine Man
My Back Pages
The Bells of Rhymney
Eight Miles High
Chimes Of Freedom
Someone To Love
You Bowed Down
If We Never Meet Again
So You Want To Be A Rock & Roll Star
I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better
King of the Hill
Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
American Girl
The Waiting
So You Want To Be A Rock & Roll Star
Insider
Free Fallin' (solo)
Feel A Whole Lot Better
To Find A Friend
King of the Hill
Pretenders
Brass In Pocket
Talk of the Town
Back On the Chain Gang
2000 Miles
Eagles
Hotel California
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I would add A Higher Place (nice McGuinn like riff in the bridge) and
You Wreck Me both from Petty's Wildflowers album.
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> Eagles
> Hotel California
Are there any 12-string electrics on that? I don't recall any...
If you're gonna include 12-string acoustic songs, that broadens the
spectrum quite a bit. One notable example is Queensrhyche's Silent
Lucidity, which they said was written around the sound of a great
12-string acoustic.
Oh, the stories I've been told,
James
On 10 May 1996, David J. MacKenzie wrote:
> Date: 10 May 1996 13:35:26 -0400
> From: "David J. MacKenzie" <d...@va.pubnix.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.music.byrds, rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature,
> alt.guitar.tab, rec.music.makers.guitar, alt.guitar
> Subject: Re: 12-String Electric Songs?
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> The recent thread on 12-string songs was very interesting. I really
> enjoy McGuinn's Rickenbacker sound on the Byrds albums and his solo
> efforts. Tom Petty's sound seems to echo it and I hear it in The
> Pretenders a bit too. Here's a list -- anyone care to add to it?
>
> Byrds/McGuinn
Lover Of The Bayou
and even though the original is not done on a 12'er, U2's I Still Haven't
Found What I'm Looking For is great on a 12 string.
jk
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>Jimmy Page did many 12-string electric songs, although I can't think of
>any at the moment.
How about The Song Remains the Same, for one.
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McGuinn toured with them some years ago, and I have a Crowded House CD ("I
Feel Possessed") on which they back they back him up singing three Byrds
songs live. They are very faithful to the originals, with only drummer
Paul Hester's distinctive slight swinginess giving the players away as
Crowded House.
I wonder if working with McGuinn influenced them to use 12-strings as
much as they do.
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>The recent thread on 12-string songs was very interesting. I really
>enjoy McGuinn's Rickenbacker sound on the Byrds albums and his solo
>efforts. Tom Petty's sound seems to echo it and I hear it in The
>Pretenders a bit too. Here's a list -- anyone care to add to it?
>
> Byrds/McGuinn
Another good example of the BYRD'S influence can be heard on on the
AMERICA'S cut "Baby It's Up To You" on their "Holiday" lp.
L.L.
The Hollies: "Look Through Any Window"
The Beatles: "If I Needed Someone"
Au contraire....the song opens with an amplified (acoustic electric...but
not solid-body) 12 string. Tom
: L.L.
Add every Byrds song to that list.
Teenage Fanclub:Mad Dog 20/20
The Beatles:Numerous
Led Zepellin:Stairway to Heaven
>> Pretenders
>> Brass In Pocket
>> Talk of the Town
>> Back On the Chain Gang
>> 2000 Miles
I don't think that any of these songs have 12-string guitar on them.
Just lotsa chorus. James Honeyman-Scott did use a Rick 6-string a lot
though, although he's more usually associated with Zemaitis guitars.
--dnb
How about the "contemporary folk" scene? Add John Gorka,
Mary-Chapin Carpenter, Shawn Colvin...
And REM?
Linda Berris
David N. Barnett <74467...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>>> Pretenders
>>> Brass In Pocket
>>> Talk of the Town
>>> Back On the Chain Gang
>>> 2000 Miles
>
>I don't think that any of these songs have 12-string guitar on them.
>Just lotsa chorus. James Honeyman-Scott did use a Rick 6-string a lot
>though, although he's more usually associated with Zemaitis guitars.
You're probably right.
Chrissie does play her Gibson J-200 Xtra 12-string on "Back on the Chain
Gang" on "The Isle of View" CD. And on the "Message of Love" video
Honeyman-Scott is playing a Rick but it's likely a 6-string.
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Well, there was "Stairway," "Livin' Lovin' Maid," and I think a bit of
"Thank You" was plugged in. (And someone else mentioned "TSRtS.")
A couple other (non-Zep) songs that come to my mind are "Methodist
Coloring Book" by the Dead Milkmen and "Alien Shore" and "Here Again" by
Rush.
Jeff
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>>Pretenders
Brass In Pocket
Talk of the Town
Back On the Chain Gang
2000 Miles
I don't think that any of these songs have 12-string guitar on them. Just
lotsa chorus.<<
Very true. Many folks frequently mistake the sound of an echoed, or
compressed chorus effect for the "chime" of a Rickenbacker 12-string. But
this is not to say that the Byrds -- specifically Roger's instrumental
style -- didn't have a profound influence on many of these musicians.
I think his influence is as pronounced for the style he developed --
rhythmic single notes played counter-point to the melody; a lot of
harmonic intervals; suspended chords and open notes (few, if any, barre
chords from Roger); etc -- as it was for the sound of the Ric.
Although there's no denying the sound of the Ric. ;-)
--Steve
Dont forget... She's Gonna Listen to Her Heart by Petty.
"Thank You", "Tangerine", and "Living, Loving Maid" come to mind.
And then there was this really stupid song of theirs about "buying a
stairway to heaven" - anyone else ever hear it? I mean, where would you
buy a stairway to heaven, and then how would you get it home without bumping
it into everything? Or is "stairway to heaven" a metaphor for something
else - like, you know, sometimes words have two meanings?
> He was largely responsible for popularizing the "two
>in one" 12 and 6 string electric guitar.
He used a Fender or Vox electric 12-string in the studio; I believe the
doubleneck was just for live performances. He saw a picture of bluesman
Earl Hooker playing one on an LP cover ("Two Bugs and A Roach"?) and
decided it would be just the ticket for live work.
Andrew
Interestingly enough, I was just reading an interview
with T.P. in either GFTPM or Guitar World, and he talks
about how there are no 12-strings in that song. I was blown
away by that. He makes the remark that for a song with no
12-strings, that song has sold a lot of 12-strings.
Apparently, they managed to ge the 12-string sound without
actually using any...
Sean
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If you are even thinking about buying a 12 string, do it. I play both 12
string acoustic and elec. If you play mostly chords, the 12 string is just
amazing. I have a Rickenbacker 12 string electric. The best thing I ever
bought.
Some REM songs where 12 string is heard:
7 chinese brothers, letter never sent, camera, Laughing, talk about the
passion, so. central rain, green grow the rushes, ....many many more....
The velvet underground used 12 string strats on the third album (candy
says, some kinda love, I'm set free, the story of my life, what goes on (I
so think on this one, not sure though). And on the loaded versionof Sweet
Jane.
I proboly missed 1,000,000, but oh well, these are some
------------------------------Steve ---------------
: Interestingly enough, I was just reading an interview
: with T.P. in either GFTPM or Guitar World, and he talks
: about how there are no 12-strings in that song. I was blown
: away by that. He makes the remark that for a song with no
: 12-strings, that song has sold a lot of 12-strings.
: Apparently, they managed to ge the 12-string sound without
: actually using any...
Those clever BASTARDS!!!!
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> Interestingly enough, I was just reading an interview with T.P. in
> either GFTPM or Guitar World, and he talks about how there are no
> 12-strings in that song. I was blown away by that. He makes the remark
> that for a song with no 12-strings, that song has sold a lot of
> 12-strings. Apparently, they managed to ge the 12-string sound
> without actually using any...
I saw a video with Petty sitting at a mixing board. He cues up the
opening to "American Girl," drops the faders on one channel and says
(sneering in his endearing way into the camera) something like "see, two
guitars!"
>If you are even thinking about buying a 12 string, do it.
SNIP
>The velvet underground used 12 string strats on the third album (candy
>says, some kinda love, I'm set free, the story of my life, what goes
on (I
>so think on this one, not sure though). And on the loaded versionof
Sweet
>Jane.
: I don't know whether the VU used Fender _Electric XII_'s recording
the albums you mentioned, it's certainly possible, but for sure they
didn't use 12 string Strats, because those weren't offered until
decades later. They were made in Japan, were discontinued recently,
but Fender now offers an American-made Telecaster XII. Anybody tried
one yet?
The obvious classics are Stairway to Heaven (originally recorded with
a 12-string I'm not sure of and a Telecaster for the solo, but
later with the Gibson 6/12 twin-neck) and The Song Remains the Same.
The Eagles used a white Gibson 6/12 twin on the live version of
Hotel California.
The band I remember making extensive use of the Gibson 6/12 were
Family, and I remember Charlie Whitney using three (not simultaneously)
when they played Edinburgh in about 1977.
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There's a song by Paul Weller from his Style COuncil days
called "A Man of Great Promise" about a friend who died young. ANd
it starts with church bells chiming, followed by some 12 string Rick
riffs that could be right out of "Bells of Rhymney". Weller used to
play a 12 string Rick more with the Jam, like the cut "When You're Young"
off their Greatest hits.
Matthew K.
> (few, if any, barre chords from Roger)
Another reason some of us love him! ;)
Linda
Leo
Ken
"Mr. Snakey" <sean....@sdrc.com> wrote:
>Interestingly enough, I was just reading an interview
>with T.P. in either GFTPM or Guitar World, and he talks
>about how there are no 12-strings in that song. I was blown
>away by that. He makes the remark that for a song with no
>12-strings, that song has sold a lot of 12-strings.
>Apparently, they managed to ge the 12-string sound without
>actually using any...
>
>Sean
>
Do you have a tab for "Brass In Pocket" by the Pretenders ?
Thanks in advance,
BK
In article <3194455...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, synd...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>On 10 May 1996 11:31:13 -0400, mosk...@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
>wrote:
>
>>
>>The recent thread on 12-string songs was very interesting.
(SNIP LISTINGs, which included)
>>
>> Pretenders
>> Brass In Pocket
(etc)
>>
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>>
>
>L.L.
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I believe Mike Campbell (Tom Pettys main Guitarist) said what they did
was record two guitars together playing the same lead part to create
that 12 string sound. Tom has mentioned that when Rodger Mcguinn heard
American Girl for the first time he thought it was him.
Another favorite 12 string song "Starry Eyes-The Records" and any record
by the Searchers!!
>by the Searchers!!
Starry Eyes, is not a 12 string song, it is two 6 strings. I was fooled
for years by this song. Starry Eyes was the only good song on that album,
the rest was crap IMHO.
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In article <4n7hq4$s...@panix3.panix.com>, Len Moskowitz
<mosk...@panix.com> writes
>I've had some mail about Johny Marr (Smiths) and Paul Weller (Jam). Can
>anyone recommend some 12-sting songs by these guitarists?
>
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Depends. On the '80s video of Hotel California, Don Felder is
switching between the 12-string neck of a white Gibson 6/12 with a
capo at the 7th, and the 6-string neck to trade licks with Joe
Walsh. However, there are none on the Hell Freezes Over version.
Regards,
Point well taken. I should have excluded "Chain Gang" from my
statement. Oh well, there's still a lot of 6-string Rick on MkI
Pretenders that "sounds like a 12-string."
--dnb
I bet if it was strung like a Ric, it might sound great -- what with the
Tele's "twangy" sound. I love to try one out.
--Steve
Could've Been Anyone (Aimee Mann with Roger McGuinn)
I Can't Explain (The Who)
I'll Be There For You (The Rembrandts)
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Roger (V63360 6-string Ric)
The Tele XII has a list price that is much higher that a new Ric,$2500.
Have fun..
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Joueur cherche... (ans...@image5.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr) wrote:
: Most of the songs from "The Mission" (the band,
: not the movie) are played with
: 12 strings (I don't remember the guitar
: name, it has the shape of a teardrop).
That would be a Vox, then.
Kirk
: That would be a Vox, then.
Yesterday I was watching a video of Crowded House playing in Koln and
Neil Finn was playing an odd teardrop-shaped guitar which wasn't the
usual Vox Teardrop. Don't know what it was though.
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