Pearl Harbor Day Haiku
Laurie Hester
syllables. This one is entitled Pearl Harbor:
A December morn.
The summer sailors shiver.
A nip in the air.
Laurie
guren
Dear Laurie-
Thank you for the poem. Being of Japanese descent, reading it
brought back memories of the dread I would feel when going to
school on December 7. Kids being kids, my classmates would
tease me mercilessly on that, as if the surprise attack were my
own personal doing or the fault of my family.
Perhaps you are too young or too old to know, but when I
grew up in the 70s in the San Francisco Bay Area, "Nip" was
the most derogatory name that someone could call a Japanese
American. For my parent's generation, "Jap" was more
offensive because of the WWII connotations, but later "Nip"
became the racial slur of choice.
Of course, I have no idea what your motivations were when
you posted the poem. I suppose if you had capitalized the "N"
in "nip" your intentions would have been clear. It is also
possible that you found the double entendre in the poem
amusing and inoffensive. I will not cast aspersions as to your
intent, but I would ask that before you consider posting that
particular haiku again, please realize that you may be bringing
back uncomfortable memories for many people and that for
some Japanese Americans, "Nip" is regarded as a rather vile
racial slur.
glenn
Unknown
air"? For fuck's sake! What year is this????
In article <c61e5169.03120...@posting.google.com>, Laurie Hester
says...
Jack Harris
"Mariano Haliczer" <mha...@us.samsung.com> wrote in message
news:fD5Bb.34854$cJ5....@www.newsranger.com...
> What on earth could be your motivation for posting this garbage? "A nip
in the
> air"? For fuck's sake! What year is this????
>
2003???????
Unknown
>
>2003???????
Thanks for taking the time to give your opinion on this subject.
Mrs. Mystic
wrote:
comment>> What on earth could be your motivation for posting this garbage? "A
nip
in the air"? For fuck's sake! What year is this????>>
Jack>2003???????
Jack, I think you might have missed the poster's point :) (or, then again,
maybe I am reading too much into it...)
I thought by asking what year it was he was commenting on the possible
(although I'd like to think unintentional) racist overtone to that haiku. And
that if the person did use the word 'nip' intentionally, he (the person who
asked what year it was) was being facetious (that they'd drag out an old racist
statement against the Japanese in 2003).
see guren's post preceding the one you commented on for further explanation - a
very informative post. I admit to not knowing it was a racist term until I
read his post and can now understand why some might have a problem with it.
Again, I'd like to think it was an unintentional use of the word, but if you
really think about it, the entire haiku had maybe 10-20 words, and to pick a
racist term for Japanese as one of them in a haiku about Pearl Harbor - I have
to ask myself how could it be? Maybe I'm just more cynical after the last few
weeks around these parts.......
Debby
Time it was, and what a time it was, it was
A time of innocence, a time of confidences
Long ago, it must be, I have a photograph
Preserve your memories; They're all that's left you
(p simon)
Mrs. Mystic
>Again, I'd like to think it was an unintentional use of the word, but if you
really think about it, the entire haiku had maybe 10-20 words, and to pick a
racist term for Japanese as one of them in a haiku about Pearl Harbor - I have
to ask myself how could it be? Maybe I'm just more cynical after the last few
weeks around these parts.......>
I went back and found the original post (on aol, once you read it, it's gone
unless you delete all your messages and ask for them all back - and I had 3
days of messages).
NO WAY that was not meant to be a racial slur.
Things around here just keep deteriorating.....
And yes I have a sense of humor. Use of racist terms in a haiku, or any other
form btw, to me is not funny.
Debby
Jack Harris
Think about it for a minute. Maybe I put more thought into it than you did
your response to me.
JH
Zeke
and have known her for some time now. In fact, as some of you know, I'm the
guy who told her about this place. While it's not my job to stick up for
Laurie I'd be amazed to find out she was ever intentionally racist. That's
just not her. I could tell you all why, but suggest we wait for her to she
get back and explain the issue herself. I imagine she's not home from work
yet. I imagine she'll get in tonight and explain at that time. It's only
5:30pm right now in Cali, so her post may come later this evening.
disi...@NOSPAMcomcast.net
Grapefruit, it's a fruit! It's an ashtray!
Jack Harris
"Mrs. Mystic" <mrs1m...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20031208185954...@mb-m24.aol.com...
> >"Jack Harris" jharrisI...@quantumsystems.com
> wrote:
>
> comment>> What on earth could be your motivation for posting this garbage?
"A
> nip
> in the air"? For fuck's sake! What year is this????>>
>
> Jack>2003???????
>
> Jack, I think you might have missed the poster's point :) (or, then
again,
> maybe I am reading too much into it...)
>
> I thought by asking what year it was he was commenting on the possible
> (although I'd like to think unintentional) racist overtone to that haiku.
And
> that if the person did use the word 'nip' intentionally, he (the person
who
> asked what year it was) was being facetious (that they'd drag out an old
racist
> statement against the Japanese in 2003).
That's about what I thought also.
>
> see guren's post preceding the one you commented on for further
explanation - a
> very informative post. I admit to not knowing it was a racist term until
I
> read his post and can now understand why some might have a problem with
it.
I knew exactly what it meant. My father and most of his friends spent their
war years in the Pacific. My dad wasn't too bad but some others,
well........let's just say there were no Japanese cars in the driveways.
>
> Again, I'd like to think it was an unintentional use of the word, but if
you
> really think about it, the entire haiku had maybe 10-20 words, and to pick
a
> racist term for Japanese as one of them in a haiku about Pearl Harbor - I
have
> to ask myself how could it be? Maybe I'm just more cynical after the last
few
> weeks around these parts.......
>
How could a LOT of things be in 2003? Where should I start? :)
Do you think there's less hate in the world in 2003 than there was in 2002,
or 2000, or 1995.........?
I don't.
JH
Jack Harris
"Mrs. Mystic" <mrs1m...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
> > mrs1m...@aol.comnospam (Mrs. Mystic) answering myself:
>
> >Again, I'd like to think it was an unintentional use of the word, but if
you
> really think about it, the entire haiku had maybe 10-20 words, and to pick
a
> racist term for Japanese as one of them in a haiku about Pearl Harbor - I
have
> to ask myself how could it be? Maybe I'm just more cynical after the last
few
> weeks around these parts.......>
>
> I went back and found the original post (on aol, once you read it, it's
gone
> unless you delete all your messages and ask for them all back - and I had
3
> days of messages).
>
> NO WAY that was not meant to be a racial slur.
>
Based on who posted it I'm not so sure it wasn't just a mistake in the way
it is being interpreted. We'll have to see.
JH
Zeke
> > NO WAY that was not meant to be a racial slur.
> Based on who posted it I'm not so sure it wasn't just a mistake in the way
> it is being interpreted. We'll have to see.
For what it's worth - and after the fact this seems crazy but it's 100%
true - when I first read the haiku (last night) I didn't pick up on the word
nip. All I thought of was "chilly" air. I thought it was well done, how
the last line reinforced the earlier lines (about winter).
It wasn't until this morning when I read Glen's elequent post that I saw the
word nip for what it is (and realized it for what it was). Without Glenn's
post I would have never notcied.
I know things about Laurie's family that make me 100% sure she just made an
honest, albeit unfortuanate, mistake.
Jack Harris
group. I know you like the DVD - you want a copy?
JH
"Zeke" <disi...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
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Zeke
> Someone posted an audio rip of the Touring Band 2000 DVD on the binaries
> group. I know you like the DVD - you want a copy?
Thanks for asking. I do like that 2000 Touring Band DVD, however, I don't
need an "audio only" copy, as I have several 2000 boots (so all the songs
are on those).
Here's some good news, I got a new set of Can-Ams in recently and am about
90% organized. This means that when someone says, do you own this or that
(?) I can actually go to my fully organized & alphabeticized cd storage
units and find out!
It also means I can easily locate things now. Like those 2000 & 2003 PJ
boots, my Bruce boots, and all the other boots that I have, from The Allmans
to Tool (hey, that Tool boot is awesome!).
Anyway, Jack, read up about the 2000 and/or 2003 boots, as chances are good
I have several two that you want. The only set where I don't have any
representative shows is the Europe, Asia, Australia stretch of 2003 (Leg-1).
I checked Ten Club too late to buy those, so started buying the 2003 boots
on Leg-2, which is mainly US, Canada & Mexico. I suppose I could trade my
Leg-2 2003 boots for the Leg-1 boots I want (such as Perth). Anyway, read
up and let me know what you like. If anyone else is interested in 2000
and/or 2003 PJ boots drop me a line (remove NOSPAM) and we'll work out a
trade.
I also have a fantastic Europe, Asia & Australia compilation that Laurie
(the person who started this thread) compiled and sent to me. I've been
meaning to make some freebies for this group. Hope to get that done by
Christmas weekend.
Unknown
>
>
>NO WAY that was not meant to be a racial slur.
>
Pearl Harbor day? "Nip" in the air? You can't say NO WAY. I say it's a
greater chance of being a racial slur than not.
Mrs. Mystic
wrote:
>While it's not my job to stick up for
Laurie I'd be amazed to find out she was ever intentionally racist.>
For the record, I didn't say she was racist. I said the haiku deliberately used
a racist slur and that I didn't see any humor/creativity in the haiku.
I also don't know why she would post something like that - did she know it was
a racist slur play on words, and if she did did she think it was funny, or was
she unaware of the double entrendre (as I said, I didn't even realize it was a
racist slur until guren pointed it out, but then again, I didn't post it, and
I'm more inclined to think if she posted it, she knew) - so I'm with you -
let's wait to hear her side of it.
Mrs. Mystic
>>NO WAY that was not meant to be a racial slur.
>Pearl Harbor day? "Nip" in the air? You can't say NO WAY.
HOLD ON! Go back and read what I wrote. I said: "no way that was NOT meant to
be a racial slur". I'm agreeing with you. My fault for using the double
negative I guess.....(but you did read it too quickly)
Mrs. Mystic
>Do you think there's less hate in the world in 2003 than there was in 2002,
>or 2000, or 1995.........?
>I don't.
I agree...there's not. HOWEVER, that being said - certain racial slurs that
were more prevalent in the 40's and 50's are no longer in our vocabulary or in
people's minds. Of course, they've been replaced by new ones....hatred in the
abstract does of course live on.
Unknown
>
>HOLD ON! Go back and read what I wrote. I said: "no way that was NOT meant to
>be a racial slur". I'm agreeing with you. My fault for using the double
>negative I guess.....(but you did read it too quickly)
You're right...I apologize. The double negative did throw me. This is a very
sensitive topic to me personally. I haven't been called a "nip" in a very long
time. I saw it and I nearly threw up. That "haiku" is indefensible.
Unknown
>
>I know things about Laurie's family that make me 100% sure she just made an
>honest, albeit unfortuanate, mistake.
Sorry, you cannot say 100% sure, because you didn't write it or speak to the
person that did. A three line poem with the words "Pearl Harbor" and "nip" is
NOT an unfortunate mistake. If she wants to come back here and explain herself,
fine. Until then, it stands as an INEXCUSABLE racial slur on a very difficult
day for Japanese-Americans. I was sickened to see it.
Zeke
family that make me 100% sure. There, I just said it again.
disi...@NOSPAMcomcast.net
Grapefruit, it's a fruit! It's an ashtray!
"Mariano Haliczer" <mha...@us.samsung.com> wrote in message
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Mrs. Mystic
>You're right...I apologize. The double negative did throw me.
no need for apologies. Those double negatives can be tricky, a good reason for
me to stay away from them in the future.......
> This is a very sensitive topic to me personally. I haven't been called a
"nip" in a very long time. I saw it and I nearly threw up. That "haiku" is
indefensible.>
I completely agree.
And I hope this is an eye-opener to those (and it's been done here before) who
think something shouldn't offend anyone else because it isn't offensive to
them, and therefore it's the problem of the offended for being "so sensitive" -
that the judge of whether or not something is offensive is not YOU (the person
posting it), but the person who is or will be offended when reading it.
Debby
choice
(maybe that's good enough to explain the brand of humor). I have told
this joke every year since then, and have never come across anyone who
was offended by this. I apologize to those who were.
I am aware that "nip" is a derogatory term, but its use in this haiku is
as a pun, not a slur. I was married to a Japanese, have lived in Japan
and Korea, speak Japanese, studied Japanese culture and have
half-Japanese children, and would never intentionally do or say anything
racist. I am also of the opinion that words like "nip" and "gook" are
more indicative of the stupidity of Americans than slurs against
Japanese or Koreans. The Japanese word for Japan is "nippon" and the
Korean word for American is "migook". Imagine the GI in Korea with kids
yelling "migook" and thinking that somehow they must be speaking English
and saying "me gook"..., kind of like how all the aliens in Star Trek
speak English...
Going back to the haiku, I simply believe that it is making brilliant
fun of Americans, not the Japanese, by using this beautiful Japanese
poetic form to deliver the joke. To me, it is the Japanese who are
coming out on top in this, not the butt of it. It is actually quite a
clever use of words and sounds ("summer sailors shiver") and imagery,
and is an excellent example of the haiku form, incidentally. The image
I get is of an unprepared military enjoying the nice weather and relaxed
atmosphere of Hawaii, and all of a sudden, life literally turns upside
down, hot is cold, etc. It is making no moral judgements here about the
attack. A haiku is meant to convey a vivid image with a punchline to
make the reader think, and this one does so in a humorous way. Because
of the setup and then the clever pun (and you don't realize it is a joke
*until* the pun comes), one is more likely to get a groan from the word
"nip" than offense. Anyway, that's how I see it.
Again, I apologize if it offends, but honestly, I have told this to
dozens of Japanese and Japanese-American friends, and they have all
thought it was funny and clever.
Laurie
--
Laurie
"As President, I will rebuild our relationships abroad and the alliances
which maintain them. And I will strengthen them, so that we can solve
problems together, so that the use of military force is our last resort
not our first, and if America must act with force we can call on the
military, financial, and moral resources of others." - Wesley Clark
www.clark04.com
Unknown
>
>Uh, yea, I can say 100% sure. I just did. I know things about Laurie's
>family that make me 100% sure. There, I just said it again.
>
The childishness of this particular newsgroup never ceases to amaze me.
musicaner
they WANNA BRING EVERYONE DOWN
TO THEY VERY BORIN LEVEL!!
they DEMAND not TO BE IGNORED!!!
"Jack Harris" <jharrisI...@quantumsystems.com> wrote in message
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Lindsay
>I found this joke, yes, it's a joke, in Mad magazine a hundred years ago
>(maybe that's good enough to explain the brand of humor). I have told
>this joke every year since then, and have never come across anyone who
>was offended by this. I apologize to those who were.
Thanks for the explanation. Mad magazine has gotten me in trouble in
the past as well.
It's also an interesting take on what is 'PC'. We all know most of
the black and white issues, it's that gray area that can get you into
trouble.
musicaner
BOARD OVER AT THE PUMPKIN PATCH>>>
that ALWAYS IN EVERYBODY BUSINESS!!!
folks OVER THERE HEAD DEEP in PIRACY and
they OFFENDED BY HERE!!!
"choice" <cho...@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3FD563C0...@rcn.com...
Unknown
>
>I found this joke, yes, it's a joke, in Mad magazine a hundred years ago
>(maybe that's good enough to explain the brand of humor). I have told
>this joke every year since then, and have never come across anyone who
>was offended by this. I apologize to those who were.
Your explanation and apology are appreciated. I hope you understand that the
way you posted it, it came across as a crass racist joke (Yes I understood that
it was a joke. No, I absolutely did not find it funny). As an Asian-American, I
see the word "nip" not as irony or a pun, but as a slam. 99% of the time it's
meant that way. Anyway, thank you for explaining yourself. It goes a long way
towards restoring civility around here, as opposed to those here who do nothing
but try and shout down everyone they don't recognize as an intruder.
Mariano
musicaner
read and weep!!!
"Mariano Haliczer" <mha...@us.samsung.com> wrote in message
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choice
Well I appreciate the civility here, too, and allowing me to explain
myself before getting too upset. When I was a child, every time I said
the phrase "nip in the air" (before I even saw the haiku), I used to
feel guilty using it!
I think my children were fortunate to have grown up in El Cerrito, CA,
where the population was about 40% white, 40% asian and 20% black. Most
of their friends were half-Japanese too! I asked them if anyone had
ever called them names, and they said maybe once. So perhaps we are
less sensitized to that word, having grown up with diversity. At their
pre-school, a black woman once objected to these flash cards we had,
because among the various words, they had "boy" and "girl" and the
little boy in the picture happened to be black, so she thought it was
racist to show a black kid with the word "boy"... So I think Lindsay
was right, that there are gray areas...
Zeke
> I don't know how anyone could doubt the Asian descent of a man named
> "Mariano Haliczer"???!!!!
Perhaps the name is Phillipino?
In any case I'm looking forward to Mr. Haliczer's adultishness
contributions!
Unknown
says...
>
>I don't know how anyone could doubt the Asian descent of a man named
>"Mariano Haliczer"???!!!!
What exactly is your problem? I cannot for the life of me think of a single
reason why anyone would go out of their way to doubt what someone says about
their heritage. I also cannot think of a single reason why anyone would lie
about it. For the record, my father is half Japanese, half Hawaiian and my
Mother is American of Italian decent. Yes, that in fact makes me
Asian/American.
Unknown
>
>an ASIAN AMERCIAN!!!!!!
>read and weep!!!
>
Sounds to me like you have a problem with that. Care to elaborate?
Unknown
says...
At least he was sure to add samsung to his fake
>email address to add that authentic Japanese feel.
Samsung is a Korean company. So much for that theory.
>Besides, if you google his posts he's done nothing but troll Patrick over
>at the other board.
I suppose I've been "masquerading" as an Asian/American all this time JUST
WAITING for this thread? Do you even read what you type?
Zeke
musicaner
THAT IS!!
CORRECT , samsung is korean and the korean
will never defend the japanese. AS BOGUS as
THEY COME>
"what exactly is your problem??"
HOLD UP~!!!+++++++!!!!
COME TO THINK OF IT YOKO IS JAPANESE??!!
COINCIDENCE?
"Jeff Bullingham" <jeffbul...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Zeke" <disi...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:%3pBb.347729$ao4.1164726@attbi_s51...
> > "Jeff Bullingham" <jeffbul...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > I don't know how anyone could doubt the Asian descent of a man named
> > > "Mariano Haliczer"???!!!!
> >
> > Perhaps the name is Phillipino?
>
> If it is, I'll eat my hat. At least he was sure to add samsung to his
fake
> email address to add that authentic Japanese feel.
>
> Besides, if you google his posts he's done nothing but troll Patrick over
> at the other board. Just like a few of the other anonymous trolls from
> newsranger.
>
>
choice
If it can't be said
In seventeen syllables,
The thought is unclear.
Jack Harris
So, which 1/4 of you was pissed?
JH
Unknown
says...
>
>Number of non-trolling/non-newsranger posts "Mariano" has made = ZERO
>Number of Haliczer's in Hawaii = ZERO
>Number of Mariano Haliczer's in this country = ZERO
>
>Numbe of bogus names this poster is under = 100000000000000000000000000
>
Wow. Did you really spend all that time researching me? Good work. All your
internet research has really paid off. Very good use of your time. Really,
very well done. I'm caught. Perhaps you can help me out by telling me who I
am?
musicaner
>
> "musicaner" <musi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:iGrBb.10234$ou2....@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > 'what exactly is your problem'. YOU KNOW WHO
> > THAT IS!!
> >
> > CORRECT , samsung is korean and the korean
> > will never defend the japanese. AS BOGUS as
> > THEY COME>
> >
> > "what exactly is your problem??"
> >
> > HOLD UP~!!!+++++++!!!!
> >
> > COME TO THINK OF IT YOKO IS JAPANESE??!!
> >
> > COINCIDENCE?
>
> Number of Haliczer's in Hawaii = ZERO
> Number of Mariano Haliczer's in this country = ZERO
>
> Numbe of bogus names this poster is under = 100000000000000000000000000
>
>
>
half HAWAIIAN, HALF SOMETHIN ELSE
and HALF ITALIAN!!!
maybe hes LITTLE STEVIE TOO!!
AL GORE BACK DEAN!!
MY HANDICAPPI HAS HIM LOSIN 20 points RIGHT
OFF< as of TODAY ONLY PLACE DEAN WILL
CARRY IS THE PUMPKIN PATCH>
Zeke
if the room has less than four
walk straight past that door!
"choice" <cho...@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3FD62F55...@rcn.com...
Zeke
> So, which 1/4 of you was pissed?
Ha ha ha ha!!! That was great!!!
Unknown
In article <FhuBb.68562$VU1....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>, Jeff Bullingham
says...
>
>
>"musicaner" <musi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:hUsBb.10909$ou2....@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> half HAWAIIAN, HALF SOMETHIN ELSE
>> and HALF ITALIAN!!!
>
>Already admitting he's a complete phony!!! WHAT A SHOCKER! "Mariano
>Haliczer" not Asian. Maybe he should have used the last named Bernstein
>or Gorbachev. It couldn't have been much worse.
>
>> maybe hes LITTLE STEVIE TOO!!
>
>Fairly obvious he's also that SteveCoconut @ mi.law.edu amongst others. You
>got to be crazy in the head to create fake names for yourself and pretend to
>be those people in matter fact conversations. LIBERALS imitating Asians
>incognito, what you won't see at the pumpkin patch.
>
choice
Lindsay
Sorry, these guys are idiots when it comes to this. You will be soon
accused of being the dude on the grassy knoll before you get a good
answer to this.
musicaner
> >
> > half HAWAIIAN, HALF SOMETHIN ELSE
> > and HALF ITALIAN!!!
>
> Haliczer" not Asian. Maybe he should have used the last named Bernstein
> or Gorbachev. It couldn't have been much worse.
>
'are YOU two psycopaths?' NOW that IS ORIGINAL!
the POWERS that BE at the PUMKIN PATCH- (THOUCH SOMEONE IN THE WALLET , is
THEIR
MOTTO)-wanna change the world ONE NG at a time.
> > maybe hes LITTLE STEVIE TOO!!
>
> Fairly obvious he's also that SteveCoconut @ mi.law.edu amongst others.
THAT OBVIOUS! i think the PUMPKIN patch has
been SPOTTED as a GULLIBLE LOCATION!
You
> got to be crazy in the head to create fake names for yourself and pretend
to
> be those people in matter fact conversations. LIBERALS imitating Asians
> incognito, what you won't see at the pumpkin patch.
TRUE they GOT DEEP SEATED ISSUES!!
>
> > AL GORE BACK DEAN!!
> >
> > MY HANDICAPPI HAS HIM LOSIN 20 points RIGHT
> > OFF< as of TODAY ONLY PLACE DEAN WILL
> > CARRY IS THE PUMPKIN PATCH>
>
> Very true. By the way, with today's news, I think we got a truckload of
cds
> coming soon since FLONK'S General doesn't appear like he's even gonna make
> it out of the primaries.
THAT IS CORRECT!!!!! i TRIED MY UTMOST TO
LET FOLK KNOW THAT the GENERALISSMO
SLATED FOR THE BOTTOM OF THE ELECTED
OCEAN DOWN IN THE DEEP BLUE SEA!!!!!
HE RESIDIN IN ADMIRAL LAND!
>
>
Burt Busk
> Mr. Burt likes my haiku's.....
.... especially if they're filthy!
Burt Busk
Zeke <disi...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
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Unknown
>Sorry, these guys are idiots when it comes to this. You will be soon
>accused of being the dude on the grassy knoll before you get a good
>answer to this.
This JeffBullingham seems to be your garden variety troll, I've seen it in every
newsgroup. But what exactly is this supposed to mean?:
>>>the POWERS that BE at the PUMKIN PATCH- (THOUCH SOMEONE IN THE WALLET , is
THEIR MOTTO)-wanna change the world ONE NG at a time.<<<
Some of those words are English, but I can't make heads or tails of it. And
there's 50 posts a day from him just like it. Weird.
M1ahearn
is
THEIR MOTTO)-wanna change the world ONE NG at a time.<<<
Some of those words are English, but I can't make heads or tails of it. And
there's 50 posts a day from him just like it. Weird. <<
The more prominent posters over at rec.music.artists.springsteen, who have
a mercenary approach to things, want this newsgroup to conform to that one.
I'm not saying I agree, just that that's what I read when I read what Mr.
Musicaner's writing.
Mike
musicaner
THE PUMPKIN PATCH!!
they SPEND ALL DAY LOOKIN FOR PC VIOLATIONS and TRY TO CLAMP DOWN
SHUTTIN DOWN THE OFFENDER meanwhile
IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEIR COMMIE NONSENSE they GET ALL TORE UP!!!
PATRIOTISM is LOVIN YOUR COUNTRY
NOT TEARIN IT UP ALL THE TIME AND DEFENDIN ALL ITS ENEMIES!!!(that just the
way the ENCYCLOPEDIA i think DEFINES it).
"M1ahearn" <m1ah...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Unknown
Thanks for trying to translate, Mike. Clearly there must be a glossary or
codebook that is passed out only a priveledged few. This is one strange group.
Zeke
> > Mr. Burt likes my haiku's.....
> .... especially if they're filthy!
Mr. burt, I've scoured (pun intended for Mr. Haliczer's sake, to bring this
NG up to his immpecable literacy standards. Man, what an EXCITING and
INTERESTING new poster, that one!) my PC for hours & hours, but dalm if I
can't find that particular haiku. All I remember is that last line, a
classic in any language. Would you happen to, somehow, still have a copy on
your machine? If so, please email. I need to get that one back!
Jack Harris
You don't understand a thing do you?
> This is one strange group.
>
>
Only if you're not expecting the unexpected - or posting via
newsranger..............................
JH
Zeke
> Mr. burt, I've scoured (pun intended for Mr. Haliczer's sake, to bring
this
> NG up to his immpecable literacy standards. Man, what an EXCITING and
> INTERESTING new poster, that one!)
Wow! I take it all back! Mr. Haliczer is posting about music rather than
ambs. No value judgments for two posts now. AMAZING!!! Mr. Haliczer, you
have given me a newfound faith!
Unknown
>You don't understand a thing do you?
I'm so sorry. "PUMPKIN PATCH" and "THOUCH SOMEONE IN THE WALLET" are such
obvious sentiments, I don't know how I could have not known what you guys were
talking about!
It's also apparent that the gang of internet bullies (translation: losers who
act like tough guys behind the anonymity of the computer) isn't limited in this
newsgroup to just JeffBullingam and musicaner. Do you guys get together in
person and harass people on the street too?
Jack Harris
>
> It's also apparent that the gang of internet bullies (translation: losers
who
> act like tough guys behind the anonymity of the computer)
Anonymity - isn't that what newsranger is for? We've had our experiences
with the type before. Bad - very bad.
JH
Sony...@yahoo.com
heartfelt and teary eyed apology again soon? "PLEASE PLEEEEASE don't sue me!!!
PLEEEEEEASE!!!!! I'm sooo sorry!!!"
In article <FhuBb.68562$VU1....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>, Jeff Bullingham
says...
>
>
>Already admitting he's a complete phony!!! WHAT A SHOCKER! "Mariano
>Haliczer" not Asian. Maybe he should have used the last named Bernstein
>or Gorbachev. It couldn't have been much worse.
>
>> maybe hes LITTLE STEVIE TOO!!
>
>Fairly obvious he's also that SteveCoconut @ mi.law.edu amongst others. You
Charit...@dvdwhse.net
says...
>
>Jeffy, Jeffy, Jeffy...will you ever learn? Are we going to see another
>heartfelt and teary eyed apology again soon? "PLEASE PLEEEEASE don't sue me!!!
>PLEEEEEEASE!!!!! I'm sooo sorry!!!"
>
>
Beats beasting on Prozac. :---)
beasted, Morristown NJ :-O
musicaner
"Jeff Bullingham" <jeffbul...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> <Sony...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:rWIBb.35264$cJ5....@www.newsranger.com...
> > Jeffy, Jeffy, Jeffy...will you ever learn? Are we going to see another
> > heartfelt and teary eyed apology again soon? "PLEASE PLEEEEASE don't
sue
> me!!!
> > PLEEEEEEASE!!!!! I'm sooo sorry!!!"
>
> Has anyone seen gracie rivera recently? I hear she's thinking of changing
> careers from the prestigious line of secretary at a small high school to
> fry cook.
>
>
>
M1ahearn
who
act like tough guys behind the anonymity of the computer) isn't limited in this
newsgroup to just JeffBullingam and musicaner. Do you guys get together in
person and harass people on the street too? <<
Nah - I can never get anyone to go with me.
Mike
colonialacres
"Zeke" <disi...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Burt Busk" <burt...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > Mr. Burt likes my haiku's.....
>
> > .... especially if they're filthy!
>
> Mr. burt, I've scoured (pun intended for Mr. Haliczer's sake, to bring
this
> NG up to his immpecable literacy standards. Man, what an EXCITING and
> INTERESTING new poster, that one!) my PC for hours & hours, but dalm if I
> can't find that particular haiku. All I remember is that last line, a
> classic in any language. Would you happen to, somehow, still have a copy
on
> your machine? If so, please email. I need to get that one back!
I might still have it. I'll look tonight or in the morning.
Zeke
off batter!
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