BOC concert on-line
MDeLugt
Beach, SC, I believe, from some time last year. Since I hadn't seen/heard live
BOC since '95 (with Jon Rogers and Chuck Burgi), I really wanted to give it a
listen. While Buck's guitar playing was great - astounding, actually, in some
parts - , and Danny's bass-playing excellent, Eric's vocals - I'm sorry to say
- were terrible, very 'thin' sounding and in some parts he wouldn't even sing,
i.e. on ETI it seemed like he was doing a Burl Ives narration (as opposed to
ETI on SEE where he really belts it out), and then having Buck and Eric sing
Cities on Flame together, ay ay, not good. I recall reading a posting by Buck
that Eric had hit a 'rough patch' with his vocals, I gather it's better now?
There seem to be very few singers from the classic rock days that can still
sing reasonably well; Greg Lake of ELP and Dennis DeYoung of Styx come to mind
as still being able to crank up the vocal pipes, but having heard Ian Anderson
of JTull and now Bloom, it really saddens me that these guys didn't take better
care of themselves during their heyday. After listening to the concert, I
popped in Rev by Night, and Eric sounds great on Eyes on Fire - great delivery,
hits the high notes, you can really tell how he progressed in his vocal
abilities/stye/delivery from the early mumble days, but I tell you, it was
depressing listening to the HOB concert. I'm not slamming the guy, I can only
imagine what it must be like to be in your 50's and still have to scream out
the vocals, not an easy task I'm sure. Rock singers just don't take care of
their voices like classical singers to. Just my .02 worth....
CultJacket
Singing about 10 songs per set.
Most singers do go through a rough spell sometime or another.
Eric sounds great for a man going on 55
John A. Swartz
extremely poor.
Yes, Eric's vocals have returned to the form they were at probably 4
years ago. There was a stretch (most of 1997 I believe) where Buck
handled most of the vocals - and on those tunes that Eric did sing, he
was seemingly not his old self. I saw the band in early 1998 and early
1999. In 1998, Eric still was only singing about 4 songs, although what
he did sing sounded much better. In late 1998, Eric started singing
most of the setlist again - when I saw them in 1999, Eric seemed his old
self - belting out such songs as "Take Me Away" and "Astronomy".
John
--
John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jsw...@mitre.org
"Fear is the path to the Dark Side.
Fear leads to Anger - Anger leads to Hate - HATE leads to SUFFERING."
-- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace)
MDeLugt
>years ago.
Good news indeed...
mark poley
>
> I had a chance to listen to the BOC concert from the House of Blues, Myrtle Beach, SC, I believe, from some time last year......
I've seen them twice this year. I can say that Eric's singing is in
excellent form. "Astronomy" was just unbelievable.
Doug Mitchell
>In late 1998, Eric started singing most of the setlist again - when I saw
>them in 1999, Eric seemed his old self - belting out such songs as
>"Take Me Away" and "Astronomy".
In support of John's *very* accurate timeline, Eric did suffer through a rough
patch with his vocal cords that began in early '96 and continued into 1998. It
goes without saying that it weighed on him a great deal.
Fortunately, by decreasing the load on his pipes with Buck singing most of the
set, we actually realized a couple of cool, unforeseen benefits:
1 - We got to hear Buck sing Astronomy. While this may sound like sacriliege
to some, I really enjoyed the change-up. At the time, I compares it to
listening to the "Secret Treaties" version, followed by an immediate spinning
of the Imaginos rendition. I am very fond of *both.*
2 - A few tunes crept into the setlist that hadn't seen the light of day much
prior to that point. "Shooting Shark" is the one that springs immediately to
mind.
In the end, Eric was able to rest his voice and work to bring it back up to
speed gradually. The result has been nothing short of miraculous.
Realistically, "Astronomy" is one of the most difficult songs in the BÖC
pantheon for Eric to perform, and the versions performed during the last
California run in Feb./Mar. of '99 were clear evidence to this fan of how far
back he really has come.
It also pays to have a little perspective here. Many of the singers of Eric's
vintage -- Ian Gillan, Roger Daltrey, Robert Plant, etc. -- have suffered
similar probllems. Some still are. Robert Plant started losing his pipes as
early as 1972, largely because of his singing style. Though I still enjoy his
music, he has never really fully recovered to my ears. Ian Gillan is another
frontman who's singing style lends itself to blown vocal cords. He has also
returned to a fair semblance of his original glory, though he will never sound
like he did when he was thirty again -- much like Eric.
I agree 100% with Chris. (cultjacket) Eric Bloom sounds *great* for a fellow
of 55, with literally thousands of shows under his *leather* belt... =)
The Snowman (aka Doug Mitchell)
Land's End -- San Pedro, CA
"On Your Feet Or On Your Skis"
TUBULAR 1
started with a bout of the flu that Buck caught and then Eric got it too... I
recall GPG mentioning to me how awful it was to mix those two shows with both
of their voices completely gone....
Well, Buck recovered fine after a week, but for Eric it lingered on and he
really should have taken a couple of months off to recouperate but as the
trooper he is, he continued to sing and sometimes this was not only painful for
EB but definitely for the listeners too. As such I have just about put aside
and filed away any Live tapes from 1996 through 1998. as research shows for the
most part, because it's no fun listening to these shows and hear the agony of
the voice.
Mark, said, he wished Rockers had taken more care of their Voices like the
great tenors...
Well don't we all... However The tenors perform Once in 3 days and may at times
not speak for hours in order to save their voices. and so with that in mind,
you can relate to how that would not be happening with a Rock singer... Mainly
the difference in $$$ invested and the money gained, A tour with concerts every
3rd day would cost all the profit of the show in Hotel bills alone, not only
for the band but the entire crews etc. So it was never really a choice for any
of these guys but to go out there and sing their throats out sometimes 2 sets a
night. Phew!!! That's bad enough even for the drummer at times to do double
sets, especially if the band is playing a lot of Speed metal stuff... Serious
workouts fer sure!
Yes, The worst cases of No Voices left is definitely Ian Anderson who can
hardly talk aloud much less sing other than in a fricated hiss, and it's just
soo sad to hear that stuff...
Steve Walsh of Kansas lost his voice in the mid 80s and he had to change his
singing melodies to cover for the lack of strength and hitting those notes.
Now on the other hand... Brad Delp of Boston sounds like he's still 20 years
young.... How on earth did that happen??? Well for one, Boston never toured all
that much and that definitely saved his voice. But i understand he's lived a
very healthy lifestyle all thoughout his years. Same thing with Crooner Gino
Vanelli whose superbly powerful voice still sounds amazing. and finally... The
Man with the Voice!: Tom Jones! Worn out, somewhat... but he still hits his
high notes like nobody's business. Also, Tom of course doesn't sing that often
anymore either. so all these 3 above mentioned guys all have that in common,
they have time off to regain full strength, and I'm sure they all have great
vocal coaches too.
BOLLE_!_?
MDeLugt
>Mark, said, he wished Rockers had >taken more care of their Voices like the
>great tenors...Well don't we all... However >The tenors perform Once in 3 days
and >may at times not speak for hours in order >to save their voices. A tour
with concerts >every 3rd day would cost all the profit of >the show in Hotel
bills alone, not only
>for the band but the entire crews etc. So >it was never really a choice for
>any of these guys but to go out there and >sing their throats out sometimes 2
sets
>a night. Phew!!!
Good points, considering the logistics of the rock business and the grind of
touring for weeks on end as opposed to the carefully planned infrequent (but
profitable) shows the classicists do, it would vaporize any realized income.
It is rare that a severely weathered voice can become a listenable trademark
(Louie Armstrong comes to mind; I understand he obtained his charming growling
voice by having to sing/scream for years in clubs without a microphone), or
even for a particular recording (McCartney who shouted himself hoarse for 'Oh,
Darling'), but those are the exceptions rather than the rules. We
(fans/society) tend to be harsh on vocalists if they lose something of their
edge, but yet we tend to (almost) worship the veteran athletes who - at the end
of their career - are not much more than a shadow of their former selves.
Mark
BOCSCOTT
it"
Doug Mitchell
>It is rare that a severely weathered voice can become a listenable
>trademark (Louie Armstrong comes to mind...)
One solid exception to the rarity rule is Robert Palmer. The low, gravelly
tone that became his trademark when he released "Riptide" several years back
won him "Best New Male Vocalist" soon after from eMpTyV. One of those moments
when you couldn't help but realize how clueless the folks over there really
were (are)...
I still love that record. Even if you don't dig on Palmer's music, you've
gotta admit -- the fellow's got style... =)
MDeLugt
>>trademark
>gotta admit -- the fellow's got style... =)
Indeed, what he's also managed to accomplish as a vocalist is to distinguish
himself from the masses with his distinct voice; something that's sadly missing
with today's screamers where melody is no more than a 1-step interval.
Snortch
see/hear online???? If so, what's the URL?
BOCSCOTT wrote:
> i liked that version of BFY on the online concert...it was kind of "ruffing
> it"
--
Richard Manny
later). I would point out that the three tenors rarely had to sing 1 and
one-half to two hours in a smoke congested hall for each of their
performances, had physicians and managers who doted on their voice health,
and had extensive training in voice technique (consider that classical
guitarists learn specific techniques to minimize repetetive motion
injuries--acoustic and electric guitarist may also be learning similar
techniques, I just have not seen them yet). Lastly, age and allergies can
be highly destructive to a voice. In my case, I learned to sing in a church
choir, extended my scope to some pop performances, then gave it all up after
an ill-informed attempt to develop a rock band in college. While I am a
natural baritone, I could extend my range into tenor (think Jr. Brown to
Greg Lake--not as good as either, though). Subsequently, lack of practice
and 25+ years of poorly controlled allergy, often manifested as post-nasal
drip, have destroyed my range to reach and maintain an acceptable tenor. In
fact, even in baritone, my voice threatens to bail on me at the most
unexpected times. Hence, the only person who hears me sing is my little
girl.
The interesting capper to this is that Greg Lake himself has shifted down to
the baritone range. Even Keith Emerson has commented on his concern that
Lake did not train and take care of his voice. Quite frankly, for Buck and
Eric to have voices that maintain their reach surprises the H* out of me.
I'm beginning to believe that the "right" voice for rock is Joe Cocker's
(GRIN!!!). It takes a licking but keeps on ticking.
Best regards,
Richard
Tampa
TUBULAR 1
But correct me if I'm wrong here...
A Barritone singer is Never a tenor, he may sing several octaves up, i.e. Tom
Jones, but he's still a Barritone....
Kinda like A Barritone Saxophone, you can still screech really high if you so
desire. But the Body of that voice is so much stronger than any tenor would
ever hold in that same range...
Thus: These Singers are all Barritones: Greg Lake, John Wetton, Tom Jones,
Steve Walsh, David Coverdale, Ian Gillan, Barry Hay, and Bill Spooner.
BOLLE_!_?
Richard Manny
TUBULAR 1 wrote in message <19990802010641...@ng-cm1.aol.com>...
>Nice to see you posting Richard.
>But correct me if I'm wrong here...
>A Barritone singer is Never a tenor, he may sing several octaves up, i.e.
Tom
>BOLLE_!_?
You are correct (God, you're annoying that way). For the record, I've
always made this same damned mistake--some mental block. My music
instructors always had to correct me. One said, "You live in one octave,
but you can VISIT others. And you'll never be a welcomed visitor."
Richard
Richard Averdahl
>
>Now on the other hand... Brad Delp of Boston sounds like he's still 20 years
>young.... How on earth did that happen??? Well for one, Boston never toured all
>that much and that definitely saved his voice. But i understand he's lived a
>very healthy lifestyle all thoughout his years. Same thing with Crooner Gino
>Vanelli whose superbly powerful voice still sounds amazing. and finally... The
>Man with the Voice!: Tom Jones! Worn out, somewhat... but he still hits his
>high notes like nobody's business. Also, Tom of course doesn't sing that often
>anymore either. so all these 3 above mentioned guys all have that in common,
>they have time off to regain full strength, and I'm sure they all have great
>vocal coaches too.
>BOLLE_!_?
Hi There Bolle!! :)
Just want to mention Robin Zander of Cheap Trick. He still sounds
sooo good, just like 25 years ago, and he smokes like a chimney!!!
Take care;;
Rick, Sweden
TUBULAR 1
Zander doez zound very much the zame theze daze...
BOLLE_!_?
Jaq5150
Woah! Anyone got a tape of this?
<< 2 - A few tunes crept into the setlist that hadn't seen the light of day
much
prior to that point. "Shooting Shark" is the one that springs immediately to
mind. >>
Woah! Anyone got a tape of this?
I heard Eric do "Astronomy" in March 99 and he sounded great.
_Nat_
Jaq5150
Case in point: "I Can Fly" on "Freaks of Nature". UGH!
_Nat_
Agent OF
>
>Woah! Anyone got a tape of this?
>
adrenaline must've been peakin' because his voice cracked in the last verse.
Thus, we didn't include the whole song on the video, just the solo.
In keeping with the thread of people losing their voice, I think Buck's voice
gets better. This is probably due to his dedication to his vocal training.
As far as the BDB Astronomy, Buck has fixed the vocal and it's MARVELOUS!
Maybe we should start our email campaign to Buck of "When is the BDB CD coming
out?" ;-)
And Nat, Shooting Shark is on there, too :-)
chuck
"Miracles DO Happen, Take One"
Featuring Ricky Browning and
The Buck Dharma Band
www.RoseLegacy.com
John A. Swartz
> Maybe we should start our email campaign to Buck of "When is the BDB CD coming
> out?" ;-)
I am sending this off to Buck as we speak - hey Buck, we here on
alt.music.blueoystercult have recently been discussing your vocals, and
are eager to hear more music from the BDB concert - while not claiming
to represent the views of all of the board's members, I'd be willing to
bet I represent most of them when I say that we hope you will soon make
a CD available of the BDB concert!
John (BOCFAQMAN)
PS to alt.music.blueoyter cult: There! That ought to do it... ;-)
John A. Swartz
John (BOCFAQMAN)
PS to alt.music.blueoytercult: There! That ought to do it... ;-)
Doug Mitchell
>> 1 - We got to hear Buck sing Astronomy.
>> 2 - A few tunes crept into the setlist that hadn't seen the light of day
>> much prior to that point. "Shooting Shark" is the one that springs
>> immediately to mind.
>W[hoa!] Anyone got a tape of this? (x2)
I'm pretty sure they're around. I'm not a collector in that sense, so I can't
help you with it directly.
However, I was actually at a whole lot of the shows in question (during Eric's
"vocal rehab" stretch), more than Charlie, if you can believe it! (For a year
anyway... =) Drop a line to Jeff at <lames...@aol.com>, and tell him The
Snowman sent you.
Ask him about the three NW shows in '97.
He's also a HUGE Wishbone Ash fan, by the way.
Doug Mitchell
>This is probably due to his dedication to his vocal training.
Bullseye! There's nothing more unsettling than walking around the corner just
in time to hear one of your favorite rock and rollers of all time yodeling like
Slim Whitman to warm up before a show. I still chuckle every time I recall
that one.
>As far as the BDB Astronomy, Buck has fixed the vocal and
>it's MARVELOUS! Maybe we should start our email campaign
>to Buck of "When is the BDB CD coming out?" ;-)
Marvelous? Imagine that... =)
BOCSCOTT
Actually, Jeff is only a small time BOC trader. The trader of these tapes that
you would really want to consult would either Be Chris Martin
(Cultj...@AOL.com) or Bolle Gregmar (Tubu...@AOL.com)
Jaq5150
Thanks for the info, although this cryptic comment only serves to confuse me
further. Do you mean I should somehow work "Wishbone Ash", a
person/band/service/product of whom/which I've never heard, into my email, to
create a false sense of camaraderie, ie, "Wishbone Ash rules!"?
If that's what it takes...
_Nat_
Bob Milot
BY: age...@aol.com (Agent OF)
>Most know that Buck sang Astronomy at The Buck Dharma Band shows. The
>adrenaline must've been peakin' because his voice cracked in the last verse.
>Thus, we didn't include the whole song on the video, just the solo.
>In keeping with the thread of people losing their voice, I think Buck's voice
>gets better. This is probably due to his dedication to his vocal training.
>As far as the BDB Astronomy, Buck has fixed the vocal and it's MARVELOUS!
>Maybe we should start our email campaign to Buck of "When is the BDB CD comin
>out?" ;-)
I thought you posted a few months back about needing another 9gig SCSI driv in
order to complete it... Or was it Buck who needs the drive?
Or pehaps you're just passing the Buck here.... ;)
Sorry I can't help, my largest free SCSI drives are a mere 4.3 gig each.
...Bob...
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Bob Milot
>Thanks for the info, although this cryptic comment only serves to confuse me
>further. Do you mean I should somehow work "Wishbone Ash", a
>person/band/service/product of whom/which I've never heard, into my email, to
>create a false sense of camaraderie, ie, "Wishbone Ash rules!"?
>If that's what it takes...
Or, you could ask if he also has a copy of the Nov '93 show in Valley Forge, PA
with Wishbone Ash, Uriah Heep, Nazareth and BOC.
If so, ask him to edit out Nazareth. ;)
Doug Mitchell
>Thanks for the info, although this cryptic comment only serves
>to confuse me further.
Apologies. I thought it was fairly obvious. If you had any Wishbone Ash
floating around, you could probably negotiate a straight trade for BÖC. That's
all.
Doug Mitchell
>Actually, Jeff is only a small time BOC trader. The trader of these
>tapes that you would really want to consult would either be Chris
>Martin (Cultj...@AOL.com) or Bolle Gregmar (Tubu...@AOL.com)
I hadn't realized you'd assumed the role of "all seeing, all knowing authority"
on things BÖC related. Please forgive my impertinence. My point, oh wise one,
was that my *friend* Jeff definitely has tapes from three NW shows that matched
the time frame we were discussing. We were *both* there, and I have personally
heard the tapes.
Agent OF
>in
>order to complete it...
Bob,
I want another 9 GIGS to re-edit the video. I won't re-edit until Buck
completes the work on the ADAT's. I'm sure he has all the equipment he needs
to get that part done.
The original video was captured at SVHS quality. SVHS quality has a wide
range: 9:1, 2000 kb/second, 8 minutes per Gig, all the way to 6:1 compression,
3000 kb/second, 5 minutes of video per Gig. I split the difference at 2.5
Mb/second, 6 minutes per Gig.
With a re-edit and three camera views, I really only need another 4.3 Gigs
(Mine is
an Ultra wide Seagate) because I don't need to capture any faster than
3MB/second. Anything faster will not improve on the best SVHS picture, when
the originals were SVHS.
The exception to this may be the soundboard camera, which was digital, but
didn't have any lighting to help it out. I can copy these views at 4MB/second
and may be able to clean up a little fuzz.
Audio is comparitively smalerl files with only 650 MB needed for 74 minutes of
digital quality. To compare, video at 4MB/second (Digital Quality) would eat
up that 650 MB in only 2 minutes, 43 seconds!
The prices these days tell me that 9 GIGs would be a better buy than just
another 4.3.
cyberdeth
do you ship?! Cyberdeth. cy...@michianatoday.com
Bob Milot
>Hi Chuck, I just sent out my order for the Buck Dharma benefit concert. How so
>do you ship?! Cyberdeth. cy...@michianatoday.com
From what I hear, he's usually pretty snappy. Unless you happen to be me, in
which case you send the check while Chuck's out of town for two weeks on a
business trip. :)
Bob Milot
>The original video was captured at SVHS quality. SVHS quality has a wide
>range: 9:1, 2000 kb/second, 8 minutes per Gig, all the way to 6:1 compression,
>3000 kb/second, 5 minutes of video per Gig. I split the difference at 2.5
>Mb/second, 6 minutes per Gig.
Have you thought of doing it in segments instead of the whole video at once?
>With a re-edit and three camera views, I really only need another 4.3 Gigs
>(Mine is
> an Ultra wide Seagate) because I don't need to capture any faster than
After I posted I realized another problem.. my Fujitsu 4.3 giggers aren't AV
rated. In fact, they tend to do recalibrations quite frequently. If I were to
send one to you, you'd end up with a lot of jumps in the tape. They're big and
cheap, but can't seem to sustain throughput for more than 5-7 seconds at a time
before recalibrating.
They're "merely" SCSI-2 anyway, so you wouldn't get the throughput you have
with your UW drives. Since my controllers are (3) Adaptec 2940 and one VESA in
a 486 system, buying "Wide" drives was pointless for me. Heck, 20MB/sec is
more than I need anyway. They're all in use as file servers, so the fastest
that data can be sent to other computers across the LAN is 1 meg/sec.
>The prices these days tell me that 9 GIGs would be a better buy than just
>another 4.3.
I picked up these 4.3's on (ok, you all expected this!) eBay where the seller
had no clue. They were advertised as 2.3 Gig drives, but by the model number
he listed it was obvious they were more than that. At $110 each, I couldn't
pass on three drives! 12.9Gigs, $330
As was already pointed out, the AV drives you need are *much* more expensive.
However, I will keep my eyes open for them.
At least you're doing the smart thing and using SCSI for your editing. IDE is
too processor intensive for any degree of reliability. Any high quality CD-R
creation has the same requirements, and as you pointed out there's *much* more
data to be moved with video.
Charlie Gow
> I know its your nature to be condescending so i will tell you why i said what i
> said. Personally, no offense to Jeff, I have heard his NW tapes and they didnt
> knock me out. I have traded with Jeff before and I have Mixed results. It
> took a while to get the tapes from him and they were not *SoundBoard* tapes. I
> simly suggested these two traders because I have gotten to know them and in the
> last month, I have averaged 8 traded tapes a week. this is my opinion and you
> are entitled to yours.
Scott -
It's not Doug's nature to be condescending. . . However, he is known to
state his opinion succinctly and clearly.
Here's my take - You have a marked tendency to go overboard (witness
your Assault on VH1 posts on AOL) and some people take you to task
for it. Believe me, the whole "let's be annoying to VH1 thing doesn't
accomplish shit and it makes you look pretty lame.
I know that you're a dedicated BOC fan, but you need to take time
to breathe. Trust me, the Boys will get their due and the market will
be much more succeptible to penetration without the annoyance
level being raised to a loud screech.
As far as the quality of tapes, you take what you get. I don't
collect tapes because I'm not terribly enamoured of audience
tape. However, I do have some very nice soundboard tapes
that I like to listen to. Regardless of the sound quality, you
should be appreciative of anything you can trade for.
Try to step back and gain a bit of objectivity -
Charlie
BOCSCOTT
>I hadn't realized you'd assumed the role of "all seeing, all knowing
>authority"
>on things BÖC related. Please forgive my impertinence. My point, oh wise
>one,
>was that my *friend* Jeff definitely has tapes from three NW shows that
>matched
>the time frame we were discussing. We were *both* there, and I have
>personally
>heard the tapes.
>
>The Snowman (aka Doug Mitchell)
>Land's End -- San Pedro, CA
>"On Your Feet Or On Your Skis
I know its your nature to be condescending so i will tell you why i said what i
Agent OF
>>Mb/second, 6 minutes per Gig.
>
>Have you thought of doing it in segments instead of the whole video at once?
Each song was done individually. You couldn't do more than 5 MB/second on a 6
minutes song, as it would exceed Window's limit of 2 GIGs per file. And
Astronomy clocks in at 7 minutes, sheez ;-)
I still only need 9 gigs with 3 camera views, rendering to a max of one AVI
file of 2 Gigs per song. One unexpected thing about working with desktop video
is the amount of math needed to get it done. This doesn't count the math of
balancing your check book to see how many Gigs you can afford. :-)
Since I love math, I enjoy this part.
Agent OF
named Zac in Sparks, NV. If anyone knows this person, please have them call or
email me. His order has been returned to me twice already and information
didn't have a phone number on him. We must have the wrong address on him.
Doug Mitchell
>It's not Doug's nature to be condescending. . . However, he is
>known to state his opinion succinctly and clearly.
Thanks for the support, Brewmaster. At this point a little explanation may
help, to put this in perspective. Then I'll drop the subject faster than a
vial of holy water at an international vampire convention.
Not long after Scott first appeared online a few months ago, he "latched on" to
me and began IM'ing me nearly every time I popped online. I know I was not the
only person he behaved this way with. After a few days, I asked him politely
to back off and he got pissy. I explained my position, reiterated my request
more bluntly, and he seemed to accept it. After that, instead of receiving
blind questions about BÖC every time I signed on, I now received "Are you
busy?" More polite, yes. But it was beginning to feel *more* than a little
bit obsessive.
I reached the point of blocking his screen name altogether. I asked him to
back off again politely, and he got pissy again. Soon after, he made a few
veiled comments on the AOL board about some folks online being "cool," while
others weren't. Later that same day, someone on AOL that I have never so much
as exchanged an e-mail with alluded to me specifically -- while responding to
Scott's broad brush "apology" to everyone online.
I'm pretty sure Scott decided that I was not a nice person because I didn't
want to play with him anymore, and said as much to others in the course of his
desperate reaching out to people online. He wants to be accepted. What better
place to get that sort of attention as a misunderstood teenager these days than
online?
Think of it like this: How many of you would appreciate or enjoy that sort of
behavior aimed in your direction?
However, I still remember what it was like to be fifteen or sixteen. I
remember what it was like to have conflicts with my parents. I remember how
hard it was to communicate -- or at least feel like I was being understood --
at that age. For those reasons I have basically tried to "let sleeping dogs
lie."
I hope you can all understand my position a little bit better at this point.
I realized from the outset that the lack of depth, thought, and subtlety in his
actions are very simply the direct result of his lack of life experience. I
wish Scott no ill will. I hope his online experiences can help him grow up a
bit more. And better still, that he can carry some of it into his day-to-day
life.
Consider the subject dropped from this end.
Susan Wagner
*"<< 1 - We got to hear Buck sing Astronomy. >>
Woah! Anyone got a tape of this?
day much
prior to that point. "Shooting Shark" is the one that springs
immediately to
mind. >>
_Nat_"
I didn't catch the beginning of this so I don't know what exactly you're
talking about, but if Buck sings Astronomy, it's probably the Imaginos
version, which they played in concert for a couple years, and I don't
believe, since. I believe Buck does Shooting Shark on the Ricky
Browning benefit concert, which I KNOW you have, Nat.
Susie
TUBULAR 1
At the risk of saying this after somebody else... (disclaimer of the irrational
way of these posts being seperated and returning days later here...) Astronom
was the real version with Buck Singing it.
I actually have this song sung by 4 out of 5 Oysters on tape from various
sources.
Allen is the one remaining possibly never to sing it at all.....;-)
BOLLE_!_?
Richard Manny
TUBULAR 1 wrote in message <19990810224729...@ng-ba1.aol.com>...
>Astronomy
>was the real version with Buck Singing it.
Bolle,
I missed something--I've heard the classical "Astronomy" sung
predominately by Eric on Secret Treaties and Some Enchanted Evening. Then I
heard the version sung by Buck on Imaginos. Subsequently, I've heard and
enjoyed Albert's version with The Brain Surgeons. Am I misreading your
comment to construe that the original intent was to have Buck the vocalist
of this song?
Richard
TUBULAR 1
That's more than any of us have... :-)
I do believe that is Debra Frost singing that ditty on their 4th CD there, and
also in Concert the few times they decided to do that song....
In 1973 prior to the release of ST, Albert and Eric shared the vocal duties
on this song...
Joe sang it with Cult bros. Live and Buck sang it at the BDB show in Atlanta.
that would make it 4 out of 5 guys in the band singing it I'd say.
Cheers!
BOLLE_!_?