tony iommi refuses to acknowledge RJD as an old member of SABBATH
Rowa...@hotmail.com
everytime "Ronnie James Dio" was mentioned by the Dj tony refused to
acknowledge the topic with a comment, instead he replied in a rude
disrespectful grunt. When asked about the sabbath albums done with
Ronnie....Tony mumbled something about some of the albums being ok.
I think a certain jerk named TONY needs to grow the fuck up!!! I plan
to email Tony and the radio station complaining of the disgrace he
showed himself as. I am very disappointed. And so you all know iommi's
new cd isn't that fantastic!
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Before you buy.
Jonathan
Rowa...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Tony Iommi was interviewed recently over the radio, and
> everytime "Ronnie James Dio" was mentioned by the Dj tony refused to
> acknowledge the topic with a comment,
Tony did a lot of coke way back when. Maybe he forgot RJD was in the
band like the rest of us did.
Jonathan
Mule 85021
Ronnie James Dio has treated Tony Iommi with an equal amount of disrespect in
a number of interviews. Perhaps, he felt obligated to return the favor.
Tim
Up in Smoke
Remember, there are always Two sides to every story.
I will still buy the cd after your in depth review. I like what I have
heard so far.
Cornholio
What he says about Dio is really insignifacnt at this point since the
Sab-Four are back together. I'm looking forward to more music like their
original album, Volume 4, Paranoid, Master of Reality and Sabbath Bloody
Sabbath.
Here's my take on this anyway. No matter how much they try, Sabbath is
trying to live up to thier original work, they had significant cultural
clout, and not just with young people.
When the Sabbath/Ozzy split happened around 79-80, and both announced new
efforts, Blizzard of Oz, and Sabbath with Dio, most people were interested
to see what would shake out because heavy metal had hit a dead period for
about 5 years.
Ozzy's first release was good, little commerialism, great comeback, nice
story all around.
When I heard Heaven and Hell on the radio, it didn't really have the depth
of cultural signifance in the lyrics as earlier Sabbath, and it had an
bubble-gummy arrogance about it it, in that it was as if they were
preaching down to a new set of listeners without the need for depth,
instead of preaching common ideals along with their own culture as they did
in the Ozzy days (i.e. Volume 4). When I saw the Heaven and Hell album
cover it was about as much as I could take, cigarette smoking was about as
adolsecent as you could get at the time, they could have had people getting
high, doing bong hits, naked, having sex, etc, anything but cigarettes. It
seemed like a compromise on the depth and cultural impact of the music for
the sake of getting at the adolescent market. I don't think I was the only
one that saw the materialism.
Mob Rules, never listened to it, saw the album cover, seemed adololescent,
decided to pass. I'm an Italian-American, most of us know that the mob CAN
rule (ala Capone, Chicagoland, etc.), and does rule every once in awhile
today, they had the right statement, at the right time, just didn't have
the credibility for me and perhaps other adult listeners. I would have done
a black and white picture of a Chicago street in the 1920's with a car of
full of mediterraen featured gentlemen in pin stripe suits/hats (maybe
carrying violin cases). AC/C was putting out soem good stuff even
considering that stupid outfit the guitarist wears (rok-n-roll aint noise
pollution, ...)
Never caught any Sabbath after that, seems like they have matured up their
marketing, but both what I have seen, they have a deep escapist/fanstasy
message that is unachievable and not real, as evident by album covers
(especially Dio's).
Ozzy went on a crazy train for awhile, his music was always REAL and good I
think he's got it out of his system. He was willing to live the same
fantasy he was singing, which gave him credibility. He kind of looks like
John Lennon reincarnated now with those glasses, but with a little less
desire to socially accepted.
Sums up my impression of 80's, 90's heavy metal, arroagnt, materialistic,
and geared toward the fantasists and escapists and wavering on the edge of
the adolescent scale. Still better than pop, but has a ways to go yet. I'll
probably take a closer listen, maybe I'll change my opinion.
I'd enjoy Sabbath (with Ozzy) taking on some more cultural significant
music (ala Beatles White Album). I always like the dirction Sabbath
presented with Technical Ecstacy, I just don't think they pursued it long
enough. When they released Never Say Die, it kind of drummed up a komakazee
(spelling?) scenario, I wondered if they were desperate for direction, and
I couldn't shake the significance of such a pro-war statement made on their
album cover when combined with the name of the album relative to previous
cultural lyrics and posistioning. Kind of seemed very "pop-ish" and
commercial.
I'd like to see them make a degenerate out of Rick Wakeman and start out
where Technical Ecstasy left off, GIVE US SOME NEW HEAVY AND VOCAL HEAD
MUSIC, let the up and coming artists gear thier music to the newer
listeners and use their (Sabbath) long time positions and popularity to
influence the industry and culture as a whole, ala Oz-Fests. Rock music
will usually find its way across age barriers as it did in the 60's and
70's, when it hits upon issues everyone can relate to. Rap music is so
successful because it hits real issues among its listeners, heavy metal
used to be this same way but seems to have taken on a fantasy/escapist
modality that does not appeal to the thinking mind as much anymore. Lots of
goodtime music, very little revolution music.
I can't help picturing an aged Ozzy in a costume get up like he used in
the younger days, doing the same routine as Crusty The Clown in The
Simpson's cartoon.... Hey Hey Boy and Girls ... cough cough cough, then we
would have an Iommi unwired album, Butler writing Gregorian chants, and
that Ward guy all packaged up in a drum machine. playing behind Britney
Spears as she pursues her career with disney.
bwaaaaaaaaaahahahah
Jim Antares
<20000926204941...@ng-ft1.aol.com>:
>>Tony Iommi was interviewed recently over the radio, and
>>everytime "Ronnie James Dio" was mentioned by the Dj tony refused to
>>acknowledge the topic with a comment, instead he replied in a rude
>>disrespectful grunt. When asked about the sabbath albums done with
>>Ronnie....Tony mumbled something about some of the albums being ok.
>> I think a certain jerk named TONY needs to grow the fuck up!!! I plan
>>to email Tony and the radio station complaining of the disgrace he
>>showed himself as. I am very disappointed. And so you all know iommi's
>>new cd isn't that fantastic!
>>
>>
>
> Ronnie James Dio has treated Tony Iommi with an equal amount of disrespect
>in
>a number of interviews. Perhaps, he felt obligated to return the favor.
Here's one that they aren't equal in:
I bet the Tone-miester can toss that dwarf farther than RJD can even lift
Iommi.
-Jim
sani...@my-deja.com
> Here's one that they aren't equal in:
> I bet the Tone-miester can toss that dwarf farther than RJD can even
lift
> Iommi.
>
> -Jim
>
>
If Raddion ever sees this he'll buy you red roses.
sani...@my-deja.com
What you Dioheads won't get _ever_, _never_ and _forever_, is that the
original Black Sabbath was four guys called Bill, Geezer, Ozzy and Tony.
Now, when you change members you most likely will end up of having
grudge against the one who was there originally (Ozzy), but deep down in
your ass you feel bad that the singer's gone. It doesen't even matter
how good you new line-up is, the chemistry isn't the same. Tony and
Ronnie wrote some goodies for sure, but it doesen't take the fact away
that Ronnie had a strrict personality whereas Ozzy was always joking and
doing nonsense onstage. With Van Halen it was different, since Dave and
Edward hate each others, and they probably always have.
Jim Antares
>In article, jean...@aol.comKillSpam (Jim Antares) wrote:
>
>> Here's one that they aren't equal in:
>> I bet the Tone-miester can toss that dwarf farther than RJD can even
>lift
>> Iommi.
>>
>> -Jim
>>
>>
>
>If Raddion ever sees this he'll buy you red roses.
In light of the comming show-down Nov.19th (a.k.a. the Patsies come to El Clevo
for another loss [0-11 afterwards]), I doubt it.
-Jim
Bizzaro
<sani...@my-deja.com> > If Raddion ever sees this he'll buy you red roses.
Oh god, not poetry time again, is it?
sani...@my-deja.com
Now what was it, "picklery hickery poke" or some other crazy shit.
HittMann98
>original Black Sabbath was four guys called Bill, Geezer, Ozzy and Tony.
Yes, that is true. I am not saying that. But, Tony, Ronnie, Geezer, Bill, and
Vinny. They made some excellent music together. This is like saying when Ian
Gillan and Roger Glover left DP, and werer replaced by DC and GH,that that
lineup did not deserve any credit. Burn was a great album, Stormbringer was
decent.
>Now, when you change members you most likely will end up of having
>grudge against the one who was there originally (Ozzy), but deep down in
>your ass you feel bad that the singer's gone.
I really think after you have tried everything to work it out. And all the
other members agree they want to keep the band going, fresh blood is not a bad
idea, at all. I think both lineups gave us some great music over the years.
Everything up to Sabotage with the Ozzy lineup was excellent. I did not care
that much for T.E. (it had some good moments). I did not like NSD expect for a
couple of cuts.(excellent title track) Heaven & Hell was an amazing album to
me. Something at the time that was realy in synch. TMR was dark and heavy.
Dehumanzier was excellent.
Tommy Hittmann
Jim Coghlin
Cornholio wrote:
> What he says about Dio is really insignifacnt at this point since the
> Sab-Four are back together. I'm looking forward to more music like their
> original album, Volume 4, Paranoid, Master of Reality and Sabbath Bloody
> Sabbath.
You are probably not going to get it.
> Here's my take on this anyway. No matter how much they try, Sabbath is
> trying to live up to thier original work, they had significant cultural
> clout, and not just with young people.
And now that they are no longer young, how can anyone expect that they will
be able to convincingly live up to that particular standard? Trying to live
up to their original work by recreating it is an artistic error, IMO.
> When the Sabbath/Ozzy split happened around 79-80, and both announced new
> efforts, Blizzard of Oz, and Sabbath with Dio, most people were interested
> to see what would shake out because heavy metal had hit a dead period for
> about 5 years.
> Ozzy's first release was good, little commerialism, great comeback, nice
> story all around.
I Agree.
> When I heard Heaven and Hell on the radio, it didn't really have the depth
> of cultural signifance in the lyrics as earlier Sabbath, and it had an
> bubble-gummy arrogance about it it, in that it was as if they were
> preaching down to a new set of listeners without the need for depth,
> instead of preaching common ideals along with their own culture as they
did
> in the Ozzy days (i.e. Volume 4).
That's what happens when you take Geezer's lyrics out of the picture. But
lyrically it was not a total loss. "Children of the Sea," "Heaven and Hell,"
and "Die Young" are all good examples of an updated, but still Sabbath-like
approach to the times.
I agree that they were trying to broaden their audience somewhat by
targeting a younger group of fans. It worked. I know people who got into
Black Sabbath with Heaven and Hell and ended up listening backwards to all
the Ozzy stuff.
I don't think that it is fair or fundamentally correct to write-off the
whole album as "bubble-gummy arrogance," but I know what you're getting at.
> When I saw the Heaven and Hell album
> cover it was about as much as I could take, cigarette smoking was about as
> adolsecent as you could get at the time, they could have had people
getting
> high, doing bong hits, naked, having sex, etc, anything but cigarettes.
I have a different opinion on this. I think that the album cover is quite
subtle and well-conceived. It skillfully blends the image of perfection with
the tinge of self-destruction. The dual impulses of Man displayed at once,
one leading to Heaven and the other leading to Hell. The road to
self-destruction does not usually begin with "bong hits" and wanton
lascivious sex acts. It begins with something as basic and "adolescent" as
cigarettes.
>It
> seemed like a compromise on the depth and cultural impact of the music for
> the sake of getting at the adolescent market. I don't think I was the only
> one that saw the materialism.
I don't think that the album cover reflected that change in approach, but I
think that some of the music certainly did.
> Mob Rules, never listened to it, saw the album cover, seemed adololescent,
> decided to pass.
You mention "adolescent" like it is a bad thing. :-))) It's a stage all
people go through. Gangs, mobs, and such are always typically adolescent in
their thinking because they emphasize conformity to group thinking and
behaviour. Can you think of any environment where there is more pressure to
conform than a High School? (Okay, maybe the Marines!)
By emphasizing the horror of a mob in comic book art style, Black Sabbath
was sending the message to young people to think for themselves. It was an
updated and more direct method of communicating the same message that they
had always communicated.
I think you have to rediscover and come to grips with your own adolescence
because it seems to be interfering with your enjoyment of two fine albums.
;-))))
> Never caught any Sabbath after that,
Your loss.
Regards, Jim C.
Squeri2112
>SABBATH
>From: "Jim Coghlin" sle...@wiznet.ca
>Date: 09/27/2000 3:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <QvuA5.79$Zi6.1...@nnrp1.tor.metronet.ca>
What about the subliminal or in george W's lingo sublimibal, artwork of Mob
Rules where in the bottom of the scene in the ground are the words KILL ozzy?
Raddion
>Clevo
>for another loss [0-11 afterwards]), I doubt it.
>
>-Jim
I'll remember you said that! But to ell you the truth, if we're going to be
under .500, I kind of hope we're waaay under. I hear there's a stud quarterback
coming out. Hey, there's an opening...
RADDION
HittMann98
>under .500, I kind of hope we're waaay under. I hear there's a stud
>quarterback
>coming out. Hey, there's an opening.
Dont forget my 3-1 Giants their Raddion.
MichealDio
The "Sab four" as you call them...have brought Sabbath to it's conclusion...You
can look forward into the abyss all you want...They failed to produce anything
of quality with their final effort...and you look forward...Thanks for your
lack of vision and reality...I'll look forward to hearing tony's solo
effort...you stick to watching Back to the Future movies....And TeRRy bashing.
Cornholio
the Bush ad portrayed the democrats as being involved in corrpution within
big business, and even had a factory scene with a lot of pollution, these
are traits the republicans are more known for and he was clealry attempting
transferrence coming from the point of view that his the new guy promising
change and trying to act like he is not a politician, problem is when you
talk about democrats they have along histroy of standing up for working
people in business and protecting the environment Gore even has some
environmental history to his work
you must first have a valid symbolism/concept before you can influence
people with it, that's why rap muisc is popular, that's why heavy metal use
to be popular, has/had a truth to it, even the swastika had truth to the
Germans, and it has/had a different truth to others, there are ways of
establishing truths by effecting/affecting belief systems in that if you
hear the same message from people you trust you will soon give them
credibility, propaganda, Bush was well on his way in this direction
if Bush would have continued his encroachments on the subconscience minds
of people, using false symbols, validating false symbols, and being
validated in using false symbols, it would have generated a fear response
from the left, people don't like to see falsehoods in the hands of thier
enemies in that powerful of a position, espeially when they have a religous
facade in that people trust them, believe them and follow them
interestingly enough I think the right would have enjoyed the falsehood and
fear presented as it fit their agenda, since they enjoy the comfort,
security and prosperity the establishment/government provides (ala paux
romano) more than they care for other people, subconsciencely none of us
innocent
How many people eat meat and think about the life that was taken? Someone
had to see the eyes of that cow or chicken and here its voice when it died.
And I never really believed God like the either symbolism or the burning
smell of animal sacrifices manifested in early biblical references. It was
a way for the writers to justify carnivorism by portraying God as a
carvivore and giving him a piece. Its easy enough to read around this, the
Jews were given laws (above the ten commandments, i.e. Leviticus) , kings
and judges because they didn't want to do what's rights.
the goal of course is to present the symbolism in a way that the
subconscience mind of the target audience finds it appealing enough to take
conscience action
i.e. pepsi can = sex with a naked attractive woman, only if you hurry, and
here is where to get it (ain't it interesting there's curves on the can,
coke has them to, and we all know the symbolism there, time for them to
anti up)
this is so ingrained that those who get away with it do it unconsciencely
its just a matter of making an association
easily established with patterns of sight, sound, smell or touch
we all like sex, survival is big for working people
no real need for words or actual pictures
the human mind is very trainable
association is a consideration left out of most of the 1950's studies on
subliminal suggestion
sex doesn't have the same appeal to the avergae working person or poor
person, he is more concerned with the daily grind
the 60's sexual revolution message was different in this respect, remember
it was free love, free is something everyone can relate to, thus the wide
acceptance, even inexpensive will as evident by today's advertising
you don't like a sexual message, how about
rats=corruption, 700club=republican->republicans aren't ever corrupt
let's all play the association game
there are many symbols recognizable to the sight, smell, taste, touch
already established, grab a couple and let's begin the game, let those who
say subliminal ads don't work keep track of what's a real word and what
isn't
and he (Bush) said it was his people's fault ...
and they said it was a mistake ...
and no one was concerned enough to do anything ...
this gets real funny when its fear propoganda, leading people to live their
lives holed up in their houses for fear of doing something wrong or being
accused therefore
then again, they have no exclusivity on its use, and since
George/Republicans can use it, why let the games begin, and when someone on
the right complains ...
DEVILMANOZZY
wrong group to talk like this about Tony. But since now you have made
this interesting mustake lets rip into old Tony Iommi a little. Tony is
the "PLAYER" that has ran with the name Black Sabbath for 10 years
atleast before letting Ozzy and the band get back with him and to end it
there. How any stunts has Tony done to make a dirty buck?! A lot really.
He also ran off Ozzy and DIO. I really don't see why either a Ozzy fan
or a DIO fan would hate each other. They were BOTH thrown from they
chairs by Tony. Now lets look at the monment. Tony is coming out with
his first "OFFICAL" solo album. Now what do ou think? Sounds like shit
doesn't it? Well thats Tony without Geezer and DIO and Martin with a
burnt out Ozzy and Bill Ward. Has on there some talentless pop culter
fucks, and shitheads with egos like Tony's! lol Come on! This is the dis
the Tony Iommi Thread! Surely I'm not the only one that is hurt by
Tony's actions.
Tero Honkasalo
>What you Dioheads won't get _ever_, _never_ and _forever_, is that >the
original Black Sabbath was four guys called Bill, Geezer, Ozzy >and Tony.
...And new and improved version was Ronnie, Bill, Geezer and Tony...:)
>Now, when you change members you most likely will end up of >having grudge
against the one who was there originally (Ozzy),
...but Ozzy himself said that it was only good that he got out of Sabbath
...Paranoid Conversation interview CD.
>but deep down in your ass you feel bad that the singer's gone.
I miss Ronnie...:)
> It doesen't even matter how good you new line-up is, the chemistry >isn't
the same.
No it might be even better...:)
>Tony and Ronnie wrote some goodies for sure,
3 albums!!! that quite many IMHO.
>but it doesen't take the fact away that Ronnie had a strrict >personality
whereas Ozzy was always joking and
>doing nonsense onstage.
'COS HE COULDN*T SING!!!
> With Van Halen it was different, since Dave and Edward hate each >others,
and they probably always have.
What's the difference?
Don't take this e-mail too seriously - I like Ozzy too but always prefer
Ronnie when it comes to Sabbath...
T:)
cob...@my-deja.com
> everytime "Ronnie James Dio" was mentioned by the Dj tony refused to
> acknowledge the topic with a comment, instead he replied in a rude
> disrespectful grunt. When asked about the sabbath albums done with
> Ronnie....Tony mumbled something about some of the albums being ok.
> I think a certain jerk named TONY needs to grow the fuck up!!!
Imagine that everywhere you go you are bombarded with questions about
stuff you did 20 years ago, when you really would rather discuss the
present. I know that would annoy me. And Tony's not really the most
forthcoming sort anyway. Tony has always said good things about Heaven
& Hell, but he seems to denigrate the Mob Rules --> Eternal Idol period
quite a bit, dropping big hints about rampant substance abuse and
turmoil.
Anyway, who knows? Maybe he and Ronnie aren't getting along right
now. Maybe Tony got out of bed in a bad mood that morning. Maybe he
hadn't had enough coffee. Calling somebody a jerk based on *non*-
comments in an interview is a bit over the top, I'd say.
>I plan
> to email Tony and the radio station complaining of the disgrace he
> showed himself as.
I'm sure they'll take your comments "under advisement." :)
>I am very disappointed. And so you all know iommi's
> new cd isn't that fantastic!
I would have preferred better singers, but the tracks I've heard so far
have been pretty good--much better than the two studio tracks on
Reunion.
--
Christopher Oberst
Take a listen to my music:
http://www.mp3.com/ChristophOberst
cob...@my-deja.com
jean...@aol.comKillSpam (Jim Antares) wrote:
> mule...@aol.com (Mule 85021) wrote in Message-ID:
> <20000926204941...@ng-ft1.aol.com>:
>
> I bet the Tone-miester can toss that dwarf farther than RJD can even
lift
> Iommi.
I nominate this for Quote of the Year!!
The very image of RJD trying to lift Iommi is highly amusing. Maybe
Iommi's "reaching for somebody's star"...
--
Christopher Oberst
Take a listen to my music:
http://www.mp3.com/ChristophOberst
cob...@my-deja.com
Joe Momma
distinct Rainbow feel to them. From a guitar player point of view, I can't
recall Tony using triads like he did on walk away.
Tony uses alot of complete scales in his solos on that album (as opposed to
pentatonics). Now, he really started to come out with these advanced solo
techniques on Technical Ecstasy, but the phrasing on H&H is refined.
It seemed like Dio had some influence on the musical song writing. He may
have pointed out a few Blackmore-isms to Tony.
After all Dio is (was) a trumpet player.
<Rowa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8qrdoq$nph$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Jim Antares
>El
>>Clevo
>>for another loss [0-11 afterwards]), I doubt it.
>>
>>-Jim
>
>be
>under .500, I kind of hope we're waaay under. I hear there's a stud
quarterback
>
> RADDION
Compared to Drew Bledsoe (motto: "I'm sack-a-licious!), I hope so. Then again,
Bilajerk would turn around and cut the kid for having undeveloped skills.
Yeah? Whatever…
HittMann98
>
>Soon to be 3-2, on the way to 6-10. ;)
>
>--
>Christopher Oberst
>
Wizardess
>Anyway, who knows? Maybe he and Ronnie aren't
>getting along right now. Maybe Tony got out of bed
>in a bad mood that morning. Maybe he hadn't had
>enough coffee. Calling somebody a jerk based on
>*non*- comments in an interview is a bit over the
>top, I'd say.
Good point... I know I'm a monster when I haven't
had enough coffee!!!!! ;-}
*Wizardess*
Cornholio
I haven't really listened to any Dio except Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow's
first album
but
a horned instrument ....
bwaaaaaaaahahahahaha
He's a contibuting member of the culture, I just never related to 80's
materialism, or maybe it was just the unfair aspects of the materialism,
early Dio Sabbath (Heaven&Hell, etc.) seem to have a flavor of this,
without intellectual depth, lost me right there
there was a time when horns meant a step back towards 40-50's swing sounds,
from more aggressive civil action related beats of the 60's-70's
maybe we've put that assumption aside (as long as any 40-50's conservatism
doesn't come along with them)
songs about dancing close and touching each other in the late 50's, most
often symbolized by the sound of an electric guitar, crossed the financial
boundaries of society
as did songs about simple things (peace, free love, flowers, marijuana,
LSD, ), freedoms and personal choice, most ofent represnted by either
acoustic folk type sounds (Mama's and the Papas' ) or very strong
experiemntal and exploratory sounds (psychedelia) since rights violation
were happening
when the war's over, we all can swing, swing songs were always arrogant
(chances arrrrrrrrre, if I waer a simple grinnnnn, theeeee, momment I walk
in the doooooooooooor) and targeted to the haves, as opposed to the
have-nots, the haves of the time were more than confident their money
could buy them everything they wanted, including relationships, many songs
about relationship, what it couldn't buy was true peace and love (ala the
60's)) and good sex (ala the 50's), women don't put out the real whorish
behavior when thier bought into a marriage with a fascist
when everybody has their soma (ala Huxley, Brave New World, Orwelll 1984),
everyone will be happy and have a brighter opinion of Big Brother, problem
is soma is the highest thing on the minds of many working people who
haven't achieved a place in life where theyt can enjoy things within the
right wing financial gains that have been made ( today's mom's salary +
today's dad's salary does not equal yesterday's dad's salary alone, much
dual incomism out of need and not desire), we need a revisitation of
working class rights and working class financial progress, before we can
even begin to talk about how they want to enjoy themselves (soma).
Fix the working class issues, and the 60's will be born again. Most people
of the 60's had gained enough post war prosperity that they are the
children could think of higher aspirations, like rights or enjoying
themselves, and JFK set them on a path of confidence in political
involvement to do so. After the rightw ing killed JFK, in Texas, where Bush
in from, the kind of ole' boys who think they have enough momey/clout to do
these things ala Bush, and after the right wing (Nixon and company) killed
the people who believed Kennedy (ala Kent State), people lost hope, Reagan
killed the working class economy, men are afraid to ask for what pay their
due, let alone demand their rights to choice any more, they enough enough
fear driven into the minds of poiepl that they think the 60's was some kind
of fantasy experiment
When the simple things got more expensive due to the risk/reward ratio
going up, the music industry started playing songs for the people that
thriving and were spending money, establishment. Instead of working and
poor people seeking the simple pleasures of recreational druggs, and the
social intreaction they provide, they are busy trying to figure out who
thye can fuck in order to get thier unfair piece of the pie.
I've always vowed not to call anyone a capitalist pig, it's not the
capitalism that is bad, its the pigs, and the smaller fear imparting worker
pigs)
The cigar movement can come to end anytime now.
Cornholio
>I'd like to see the reunited Sabbath put out some head music, not
>neccesarily receational drug music, just being intellectually stimulating
>and having to relevance to every day issues instead of continuing the
>trend of fantasism that has plagued 80-90's heavy metal, maybe even bring
>some of the ideas
> born out of the
>fantasism era (Dio album covers) and make connections to real life where
>possible, younger
>fans often look for more realistic fantasies as they either grow older or
>have other less realizable fantasies negatively reinforced, and that
>picking up a keyboardist (like Wakeman) or other instruments and adding
>additional breadth to
>their instrumental sound (ala Pink Floyd, ala Technical Ecstacy) could add
>to this, their old music (Volume 4, Wheels of Confusion (song, not album))
>etc, had all these >factors since what they were doing was new and unique,
>as the instruments and sounds >diversied into technical rock in the mid
>70's so did the recognition, people could think about >dancing to old
>Sabbath, its hard to think about enjoying yourself when the music is
>overly and >unrealistically agressive, as evident by heavy metal
>popularity, what is realistical is to add more >subtley and
>intellectualism to the message/sound, I'm not talking about chant music
>(not an >insult), just a subtle change of beat, we all realize we must
>fight the battles on life intellectually, >head on appraoch is fine, as
>long as its well thought out, head banging is getting a bad name, >people
>are starting to call head bangers names stripping them of intellectual
>integrity, ala >stoner, instead of partaker, this was certianly not the
>case in the 60's and early 70's, The Moody >Blues were always part of the
>60-70's culture, they had a more subtle message, but it was there >just as
>well (Legend of a Mind), they even incorporated symphonies into rock and
>made the >sound fit, Music positioned to those people looking for realism
>has to come from somewhere. >Maybe Sabbath won't do it, but someone will
>sings songs of revolution again (and not just >black/rap, although this is
>making headroads becuase of its realism)
to which Jim Coghlin said:
>>You are probably not going to get it.
And that is ofcourse, because you don't want me to.
lah de dah
"oh blah de oh blah dah
life goes on
lah lah lah life goes on
and if you want some fun take oh blah de blah-dah "
(blah-dah, blot-ta, blotter, acid, LSD, the world in the palm of
your hands)
a little ditty that hit the top of the top 40 charts in 60's from the
Beatles off the White Album
What's more culturally significant is the working class Italian American
sound to the song. We all know Kennedy inspired the 60's generation to be
politically active, but we all know who they looked to as an example of
winning a fight against the system, and who people model themselve s after
today.
There was a pretty strong spirit of settings things right in the 60's and
arly 70's, the right wing has made significant efforts in beating it out of
evryone (Nixon=Kent State, Reagan=busted_air_traffic_controlers's_union,
Bush=who_knows_what_he'll_do_since-he_got_away_subliminal_ads_is_he_Big_Bro
ther_incarnate), but the fact is that people want we happended and waht we
were fighting for in the 60's and I don't think there are going to forget
about it any time soon, same way they will not forget successes of Italian
Americans in the 20's-30's in terms of labor rights and personal freedoms
(alochol) and prejudice. Even the devil thinks things out slowly.
Cornholio
>The "Sab four" as you call them...have brought Sabbath to it's conclusion...
and you're saying this as a Sabbath fan?
let's let time show what is yet to happen,as of now, they are as real of a
possibility as Britney Spears and Eminem are, not that I want to listen to
music geared toward their fans
>You
>can look forward into the abyss all you want...They failed to produce anything
>of quality with their final effort...
one album isn't all that much, and they knew all their fans wanted to hear
the muisc thye did when they wrere together anyway, isn't that the
defintion of a reunion
>and you look forward...Thanks for your
>lack of vision and reality...I'll look forward to hearing tony's solo
>effort...
I'll probably enjoy at some time too, nothing to say he can't make both
Sabbath music and solo music, nothing to say any them can't do likewise
> you stick to watching Back to the Future movies....
you're the one that likes fantasy music
> And TeRRy bashing.
and of course you would like to make the transferrence that since I didn't
bash Terry, there wasn't something wholesome about me, hyprocrite
Joe Momma
What the hell was that all about. I mean, I liked it...but was that
examination of 1900s pop culture brought on be the fact that Dio was a
trumpet player?
The story goes that as a young boy Dio was forced to choose an instrument by
his father. The Dio boy turned on the radio and picked the first instrument
he heard...the trumpet!
He took lessons throughout his childhood and into high school. When he
turned 18 he put it down and supposedly never picked it up again.
I still wonder if he has a trumpet under his bed...you know...for those
lonely winter nights...
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Jim Antares
> jean...@aol.comKillSpam (Jim Antares) wrote:
>> mule...@aol.com (Mule 85021) wrote in Message-ID:
>> <20000926204941...@ng-ft1.aol.com>:
>>
>> Here's one that they aren't equal in:
>> I bet the Tone-miester can toss that dwarf farther than RJD can even
>lift
>> Iommi.
>
>I nominate this for Quote of the Year!!
>
>The very image of RJD trying to lift Iommi is highly amusing. Maybe
>Iommi's "reaching for somebody's star"...
>
>--
>Christopher Oberst
I'm beside myself (if I had a twin of course),
I'm humbled by your kindness.
Yeah? Whatever…
MichealDio
>
>and of course you would like to make the transferrence that since I didn't
>bash Terry, there wasn't something wholesome about me, hyprocrite
>
I see all of your points....but I made no reference to your lifestyle choices
at all....I would hope you and TeRRy have little in common...If i gave people
the idea that I was trying to slander you...I apologize....but you did quite a
bit of bashing didn't you?...And you appeared to be quite talented at
it....however we share different views on the future of Sabbath...My hypothesis
is that Sabbath has ended...like Kiss has ended...your looking at a future that
doesn't exist in my eyes.....However Tony,and Ozzy will be releasing new
material....But it isn't Black Sabbath is it?
Cornholio
>lonely winter nights...
lonely days, lonely nights, where would I be without my women ....
C_L_S
> >I still wonder if he has a trumpet under his bed...you know...for those
> >lonely winter nights...
>
> lonely days, lonely nights, where would I be without my women ....
Posting ALL DAY, 365 days a week about nonsensical shit that nobody cares
about????
Dude, if you got women, I'm made of Retsin.
Not only don't you have women, I think it's highly doubtful that you have a
job.
Crawdads
Jim Coghlin
Cornholio cut and pasted his shopping list of musical desires for Black
Sabbath:
You did say that. But *before* you said that, you said *this*:
"> What he says about Dio is really insignifacnt at this point since the
> Sab-Four are back together. I'm looking forward to more music like their
> original album, Volume 4, Paranoid, Master of Reality and Sabbath Bloody
> Sabbath."
To which I responded with the line you quoted from my post:
> >>You are probably not going to get it.
Then you asserted:
> And that is ofcourse, because you don't want me to.
You are a turnip. Not everyone is out to get you, Cornholio. I actually read
your friggin' posts and find them occasionally interesting.
I don't think you will get what you want because I do not think that the
band is up to that kind of writing anymore. They are no longer the same
musicians who created those early albums. They could go through the motions,
of course, but it would show.
As far as your detailed shopping list of musical ingredients for a future
Black Sabbth album is concerned, I would find much of what you describe
quite interesting to listen to, and potentially even great, provided that it
came forth naturally and was not contrived to ensure that all of those
elements were included. Part of the reason early Black Sabbath made such an
impact was because they did not entirely know what they were doing. They
just had a feeling they were doing the right thing. Kind of
mystical-sounding, I know, but Black Sabbath was like that.
If they had another *true* Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage in them,
they'd be born again and so would I! :-)
I'm just not holding my breath waiting for it.
Regards, Jim C.
rowa...@my-deja.com
>
> Ronnie James Dio has treated Tony Iommi with an equal amount of
disrespect in
> a number of interviews. Perhaps, he felt obligated to return the
favor.
>
> Tim
>
Tim,
When the hell did this happen? I don't ever remember Ronnie James Dio
cutting down any members of Sabbath or Rainbow! Every interview I have
heard with Ronnie is always a positive bright event. Ronnie always
wishes the best of luck to the ones he loves or hates. Ronnie isn't a
immature pouting idiot like Iommi is. And What the FUCK is Iommi pist
off at Ronnie for anyways????
Thanks
DEVILMANOZZY
Ken & AnnMarie
ripping into Ritchie and Geezer, and ESPECIALLY Tony.
Much of it was hurt and anger I am sure, but quite vicious none the less--I
have NEVER seen Ronnie act in this manner and was totally shocked the first
time that I ever saw this video, myself.
All The Best,
KEN
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Joe Momma
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> >I still wonder if he has a trumpet under his bed...you know...for those
> >lonely winter nights...
>
> lonely days, lonely nights, where would I be without my women ....
>
Where would I be without my trumpet...
Jason
Hey! What makes you say Ozzy is an asshole? I got to meet Ozzy when I
was 13 breifly (I'm 26 now) & he seemed to be very kind. He often talks
about how much he loves his fans in interveiws also.
Jason
Ronnie tried & failed miserably cutting down Ozzy in the past who was &
is a member of Black Sabbath.
Ronnie also said in an interview that he resents Blackmore for telling
him to fire Micky Lee Soule & Garry Driscoll who worked with him in Elf.
I have an interview with Ronnie in 1998 saying that "Ozzy was not
productive" & "they (Black Sabbath) had a couple of albums that died a
real death."
That isn't very positive in my opinion & perhaps Iommi resents Dio for
saying such rubbish.
Iommi could also resent Dio for not accepting Ozzy's invitation to do a
gig with him or the fact that Ronnie had tampered with the mixes of Live
Evil to make his vocals more prominent.
Jason
Ronnie tried & failed miserably in the past to cut down Ozzy who is &
was a member of Black Sabbath.
Ronnie also said in an interveiw that he resents Blackmore for telling
him to fire Micky Lee Soule & Garry Driscoll who worked with him in Elf.
productive." & they (Black Sabbath) had a couple of albums that died a
real death."
That isn't very positive in my opinion & perhaps Tony Iommi resents
Ronnie for saying such rubbish. Iommi could also resent Ronnie for not
accepting Ozzy's invitation to do a gig with him or the fact that Ronnie
had tampered with the mixes of Live Evil to make his vocals more
prominent.
DEVILMANOZZY
nice to his fans too. Thats why theres so many fans of DIO Jason. Ozzy
has been an ass in the past with such schemes as Ozzfest, Making fun of
DIO during his tours during Blizzard of Ozz and Diary of a Madman <Speak
of the Devil has the pictures>. Making fun of a persons size is a lame
terrible thing to do. Ozzy Should at least apologize about it. That must
have hurt.
And It must also be well noted that DIO is older than Ozzy. Ozzy's Voice
is about to die and DIO still is doing perfect albums and tours?
Ozzy also does not pay his bandmates for their work, or give credit.
Diary of a Madman was made by the same band lineup as Blizzard of Ozz.
Everyone knows that. But the remastered still says his tour band made it
which is false. If Ozzy would end Ozzfest ( Or bring in real bands ) and
pay his respect to his first solo line up, and apologize to DIO then I
have to kiss his ass. Respect is the issue here that makes me not like
Ozzy.
DIO is pretty respectable. Everything he's done has been atleast ok.
Iommi is not the same case. His mouth has done more harm than the whole
rest of the BLack Sabbath Gang. lol. He should have ended Black Sabbath
after Born Again. My real is that if theres 2 band mates in the band
from a prevous album then A next album is ok, but if the band is all new
except for you then yu should as geezer put it: "GIVE UP THE GHOST!"
By the way Jason, You need to if you don't already, to get G//Z/R -
Plastic Planet. Infact everyone should have it and Geezer- Black
Science. THose albums prove to me that Geezer is the band member that
lead Black Sabbath. Cause it seems that when he's not there Sabbath is
like a Flat soda Pop. Tho I do respect Neil fro WhiteSnake I still have
to say that it wasn't Black Sabbath without Geezer!
tommyw
]By the way Jason, You need to if you don't already, to get G//Z/R -
]Plastic Planet. Infact everyone should have it and Geezer- Black
]Science. THose albums prove to me that Geezer is the band member that
]lead Black Sabbath. Cause it seems that when he's not there Sabbath is
]like a Flat soda Pop. Tho I do respect Neil fro WhiteSnake I still have
]to say that it wasn't Black Sabbath without Geezer!
I have Black Science and it was great. I've been looking for Plastic
Planet but to no avail, any help?
--
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#agcm on Undernet
-I pity the foo who don't visit
Then you have all this bullshit like Offspring, Bush, Pearl Jam,
Smashing Suck. Fuck that alternative shit and all that fucking ska
crap. I'm fuckin Black Label. Fuckin Billy Corgan sings like a fuckin
pussy and Eddy Veder's a fuckin cunt.
-Zakk Wylde
DEVILMANOZZY
Ebay had one up. You may be able to buy it at Borders either under:
Geezer, or Geezer Butler, or G//Z/R .
Jason
Dio has insulted the Ultimate Madman in the past, man.
I don't like that & I don't think he's as compassionate or kind as Ozzy
to the fans. Ozzy does stadiums while Dio does bars. Ozzfest is a very
positive thing & as far as the midget goes during the Diary of a Madman
tour....look at it this way...Dio started the insults & Ozzy was just
returning the fire in his own humorous & creative way.
Dio should apologize for insulting Ozzy!
I saw Ozzy twice this year & his voice is not about to die as you put
it. He was flawless both times. Ozzy's old band mates have become
psychic vampires trying to suck the life out of the Ultimate Madman!
Ozzfest has brought in a lot of good acts over the years such as Slayer,
Type O Negative, Danzig & Rob Zombie just to name a few so if I were you
I'd have more respect for Ozzy. The Blizzard of Ozz was his band. Why in
the world should he apologize to Dio after he has insulted him first?
Excuse Ozzy for having a pair of balls! Dio sounds like he got his
choped off when he was a pube for christ's sake. I don't think Iommi &
co. should have went under the name Black Sabbath without Ozzy. It just
isn't right.
I am interested in G/Z/R & Geezer albums such as Plastic Planet & I have
seen Geezer when he toured for Black Science. Geezer is a fantastic poet
& I agree that he was & is a very important part of Black Sabbath.
Hail Satan & Bless The Magik of The Writ! 666
BrutalNoodle
try gemm.com
--
"'Scuse me for the clothes I wear, 'scuse me how long is my hair,
'scuse me for being real, you may not like it but it's the way I feel,
'scuse me for liven in the past, 'scuse me when your fads don't last".
Trouble - 'Scuse me Manic Frustration
DEVILMANOZZY
fired from Black Sabbath cause the band didn't want him. It's fair.
Ronnie came in as the new singer. He was then made fun of by a retarded
Ozzy and thats why Ronnie said stuff back.
I have more respect for DIO than the whole group of Black Sabbath (Line
1). Heaven and Hell was better than Blizzard of Ozz, and then both bands
second albums fell from they high points.
Get Holy Diver by DIO then hear his work. He delivers well.
Ronnie for is age is doing better as a singer then ozzy.
Ozzy has been losing his voice for the last 3 years. It really depends
on when he comes to your neck of the woods tho. If he is at your area
when his tour starts then your going to see a good show. If you see him
at the end of the tour your see that is voice is trashed. He is losing
his voice and he should quit or really cut back on how long the tours
are. and only do one date a week.
DEVILMANOZZY
DIO. Heaven and Hell is a masterpiece.
No one could dis such a great album. Not even the ego of Ozzy.
tommyw
]DIO is the Ultimate Madman! lol Ozzy may be a madman but not as good as
]DIO. Heaven and Hell is a masterpiece.
]No one could dis such a great album. Not even the ego of Ozzy.
H&H is okay i guess, but it really is mediocre when you compare it to
ANYthing Ozzy has done with or without Sabbath and that includes NEVER
SAY DIE.
Dio only ever made one half-decent album and that was magica or
whatever it is, I'd still take something like Ozzmosis over it though.
Of course this is just IMO.
Jason
Oh, bullshit! Dio started with the insults first not Ozzy. It was wrong
for the rest of Black Sabbath to fire Ozzy & he's not retarded like you
are. I have no respect for Dio at all. Blizzard of Ozz & Diary of a
Madman are both way way way better than Heaven & Hell. Holy Diver has
some ok songs on it but Ozzy's material puts it to shame in my opinion.
Ozzy has not been losing his voice. Certainly it gets deeper as time
goes by but he isn't losing it. I saw him at his last gig of the tour in
San Bernadeno, California & he was FLAWLESS. So put that in your pipe &
smoke it!
Hail Satan & Bless The Master of Reality! 666
Jason
Ozzy Osbourne is the Ultimate Madman not Dio. Ozzy is better in my
opinion & while Heaven & Hell is a good album (for the most part) ...it
just don't compare to Ozzy's material.
Hail Lucifer & The Magik of Black Sabbath! 666
Wizardess
>It was Ozzy'z balls that started the fight. He was
>the jerk. Ozzy was fired from Black Sabbath cause
>the band didn't want him. It's fair. Ronnie came in
>as the new singer. He was then made fun of by a
>retarded Ozzy and thats why Ronnie said stuff
>back.
The superiority of Ozzy's Balls have nothing to do with this. No...
maybe they have EVERYTHING to do with this! ;-)
Besides, it was a *communication breakdown* that caused the band to fire
Ozzy, and NO, it was NOT fair... it was cowardly! Even Bill fuckin'
knows that, and inwardly, I bet Iommi even knew it too!
>I have more respect for DIO than the whole group of
>Black Sabbath (Line 1). Heaven and Hell was better
>than Blizzard of Ozz, and then both bands second
>albums fell from they high points.
Musical tastes are subjective, but when one puts subjective judgements
and interpretations on the hows and whys, error rears its self-righteous
head.
*Wizardess*
MichealDio
Aside from the BS of who threw the first stone...the sales of Heaven'n'Hell
were far superior to the 2 previous albums Sabbath had recorded with
Ozzy....Ozzy was a huge pain in the ass for Sabbath at that time with his
drinking problems,drug habits....tour antics....like not showing up at the last
minute...he was way out of line...and needed to be let go....he never wrote any
of the material so he wasn't missed until Dio left the band....and not intensly
missed until his solo carreer took off a few years ago with No more
Tears...Sabbath didn't want him back...The money was what prompted the
reunion...Shit ..they dont even care how he faulters up on stage as long as
people have enough pot and nostagia to think he's still got it...the money is
there....We wouldn't be hearing too much about Tony's solo album if the Reunion
didn't occur...and we wouldn't have heard about a Reunion if No More Tears was
flop...bet your ass on that...No Ozzfest...no fucking reunion...no retarded
fanatics saying Ozzy has vocal ability in the year 2000...i wish that album
never happened..
MichealDio
>ANYthing Ozzy has done with or without Sabbath and that includes NEVER
>SAY DIE.
>
>Dio only ever made one half-decent album and that was magica or
>whatever it is, I'd still take something like Ozzmosis over it though.
>
>Of course this is just IMO.
>--
>
Haha...why does it not surprize me that Ozzy's worst work(ozzmosis) is your
favorite...you just have bad taste i guess....No Rest for the Wicked is the
best of Ozzy...and Heaven and Hell/MobRules/Dehumanizer are the best of
Sabbath...(yes...better than Vol4)
Wizardess
>DEVILMANOZZY,
>Oh, bullshit! Dio started with the insults first not
>Ozzy. It was wrong for the rest of Black Sabbath to
>fire Ozzy & he's not retarded like you are. I have no
>respect for Dio at all. Blizzard of Ozz & Diary of a
>Madman are both way way way better than Heaven
>& Hell. Holy Diver has some ok songs on it but
>Ozzy's material puts it to shame in my opinion.
>Ozzy has not been losing his voice. Certainly it gets
>deeper as time goes by but he isn't losing it. I saw
>him at his last gig of the tour in San Bernadeno,
>California & he was FLAWLESS. So put that in your
>pipe & smoke it!
>Hail Satan & Bless The Master of Reality! 666
I smell something BURNING!!! And it doesn't smell like the Pillsbury
Dough Boy OR laced brownies!!!!
*Wizardess*
Kris
> Heaven and Hell/MobRules/Dehumanizer are the best of
> Sabbath...
How much drugs did it take to come up with this?
tommyw
]Haha...why does it not surprize me that Ozzy's worst work(ozzmosis) is your
]favorite...you just have bad taste i guess....No Rest for the Wicked is the
]best of Ozzy...and Heaven and Hell/MobRules/Dehumanizer are the best of
]Sabbath...(yes...better than Vol4)
obviously you're either too stupid to understand what i wrote, or just
a troll. take your pick.
actually rainbow are one of my fave bands. he just doesnt go well
with sabbath and his solo stuff is poor.
it's a pity dickheads like you ruin good music.
MichealDio
>
>How much drugs did it take to come up with this?
LMAO......Shhhhhhhh....the FEDS man....the fucking FEDS.....
Mule 85021
>flop...
I'm not sure I follow that logic. The demand for the original Black Sabbath
to reunite had nothing ( or very little ) to do with the success of " No More
Tears ".
>bet your ass on that...No Ozzfest...no fucking reunion...no retarded
>fanatics saying Ozzy has vocal ability in the year 2000...i wish that album
>never happened..
I don't agree with that, either ( explain if you'd like). I think that people
are probably equally as tired of people dictating that a high level of talent
is required to enjoy anything. That's nonsense ! I personally feel that Ozzy is
talented ( I understand his vocal restrictions ), but WAY too much is made of
his vocal ability. It's difficult to fathom considering that a great many
vocalists from the same era are dead ( or worse ). The guy has been performing
for over thirty years ! Now, name some other vocalists ( of the same musical
genre ) that have performed with the same consistency, over the same amount of
time, and let's discuss the quality of their vocals. Everyone loves Clint
Eastwood, but does anyone honestly think he's a great actor ! I don't think
anyone would ever claim that Ozzy has a GREAT voice, but that doesn't mean that
people can't enjoy what he has to offer ! Everyone knows someone that is very
talented at something, but never succeeds at it. I don't think that ( heavy
metal ) music is a talent contest.
Tim
Jason
It is not fair to compare Technical Ecstasy to Heaven & Hell due to the
New Wave of British Heavy Metal. Look at the times. It would be more
fair to compare sells of Rainbow's "Rainbow On Stage (live)
July 77" or "Long Live Rock N Roll" Mar 78. I could be wrong but it
seems to me Technical Ecstasy & Never Say Die did better than those 2
albums at the time. Blizzard of Ozz Sep 80 seems to have done better in
sells than Heaven & Hell April of 80.
Everybody in Black Sabbath had a drug problem not just Ozzy. So it was
the pot calling the kettle black. I don't think Ozzy's tour antics were
a pain in the ass either. You just say that because you love Ronnie the
midget more than Ozzy the Ultimate Madman.:P
Ozzy did indeed write material such as Black Sabbath, Who Are You, Never
Say Die etc. etc.
& did not need to be let go. I have a book called Popular Music that
says Ozzy took with him a sizeable portion of Black Sabbath fans for
whom he had always been the focal point. That's true & Ozzy was missed
from the begining of the 80's. Call me crazy all you want you little
retarded Dio troll...OZZY STILL GOTS IT! No More Tears wasn't a flop &
Iommi is on Osbourne's label.
So put that in your pipe & smoke it!
MichealDio
switch was made ...and Ozzy left the band...It wasn't a big deal at
all....nobody really cared....There was no demand for a reunion when Dio was at
the helm....there was little if any demand for a Sabbath reunion when Ozzy made
No Rest...but after the album No More Tears...the demand became huge...thats
all I'm saying....I agree with you on the point about Ozzy not needing to be
the most talented singer/songwriter to be an enjoyable performer...When No more
Tears came out...and was accepted by the mainstream...it was new fans that had
no idea about Ozzy's involvement in Black Sabbath that purchased CDs and
attended the shows....Those new fans where what made Sabbath Reunion fly...they
must have seen something Ozzy did that brought them joy....I'm not insulting
Ozzy....i just cant stomach these people who refuse to recognize the work of
RJD,Gillan,and Martin when they possess superior talent to Ozzy and everyone
who has ears knows it to be fact.
> Now, name some other vocalists ( of the same musical
>genre ) that have performed with the same consistency, over the same amount
>of
>time, and let's discuss the quality of their vocals.
Ronnie James Dio blows away anything Ozzy has ever done vocally ...as does
Gillan,Rodger Daultry,Steven Tyler, Joe lynn Turner etc...ect...ect.
MichealDio
>a pain in the ass either. You just say that because you love Ronnie the
>midget more than Ozzy the Ultimate Madman.:P
This is where you show just how biased and ignorant you are...It was well
documented how out of control and unprofessional Ozzy had become before his
departure...Not an insult...fact...A fact that has nothing to do with RJD.
>That's true & Ozzy was missed
>from the begining of the 80's. Call me crazy all you want you little
>retarded Dio troll...OZZY STILL GOTS IT! No More Tears wasn't a flop &
>Iommi is on Osbourne's label.
>So put that in your pipe & smoke it!
>Hail Satan & The Magik of Sabbath
Oh man....you weren't there...Dio was Sabbath in 1980...there was no looking
back....And i have not forgotten how much i loved Blizzard either....To tell
you the truth...as far as the attitude displayed by metal heads in the
eighties...Look at the sales of both RJD and Ozzy solo albums...Much better
recieved than the Sabbath albums of that time...No body even cared about
Sabbath anymore...They were a dead band...Ozzy's fans ressurrected them...Fans
like you that have no Idea what the scene was outside of magazine articles.
Mule 85021
>Tears came out...and was accepted by the mainstream...it was new fans that
>had
>no idea about Ozzy's involvement in Black Sabbath that purchased CDs and
>attended the shows....Those new fans where what made Sabbath Reunion fly...
That just doesn't make sense. I'm not sure what shaped your perception, but to
suggest that the commercial success of " No More Tears " secured the future of
Sabbath is preposterous.Most people ( I know ) that attended the " Reunion "
tour was indifferent to " No More Tears ." Most people that buy radio oriented
albums, hardly stick around thereafter.
>i just cant stomach these people who refuse to recognize the work of
>RJD,Gillan,and Martin
Although I appreciated all versions of Sabbath, I don't take it quite that
personal. Nevertheless, I understand where you're coming from.
>Ronnie James Dio blows away anything Ozzy has ever done vocally ...as does
>Gillan,Rodger Daultry,Steven Tyler, Joe lynn Turner etc...ect...ect.
None of them has toured to the extent that Ozzy has ( consistency ?), but Dio
& Tyler come close. I definitely disagree with Tyler on both accounts - his
voice is terrible, but he is a good entertainer ! There are many entertainers
that " blow away " Dio vocally, but I may (still) prefer to listen to his
music. Again, that has very little to do with it. However, I can buy into some
of your sentiments.
Tim
Wizardess
>just Ozzy. So it was the pot calling the kettle black.
>ass either. You just say that because you love
>Ronnie the midget more than Ozzy the Ultimate
>Madman.:P
Jason, that was just the point I was going to mention! During the
tumultuous emotional season of the nasty break-up, many vicious things
were said. But more recently, Tony - in retrospect - said that they were
ALL fucked up on drugs and booze all the time - not just Ozzy. They
decided something had to change, and Ozzy became, like the scapegoat.
Ozzy had creative ideas which he felt he did not have the opportunity to
express, all the guys were absorbed with their own individual trips, and
a communication breakdown insued. Ozzy still admits that if he could go
back he wouldn't change a thing and that everything happens for a
reason.
*Wizardess*
Kris
MichealDio <miche...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001007233023...@ng-cq1.aol.com...
> I'm not insulting
> Ozzy....i just cant stomach these people who refuse to recognize the work
of
> RJD,Gillan,and Martin when they possess superior talent to Ozzy and
everyone
> who has ears knows it to be fact.
>
> Gillan,Rodger Daultry,Steven Tyler, Joe lynn Turner etc...ect...ect.
Well, I dont know.
I'm prepared to trade away 100 dehumanizers for one psychoman any time of a
day.
Snowblind
<Rowa...@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:8qrdoq$nph$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Tony Iommi was interviewed recently over the radio, and
> everytime "Ronnie James Dio" was mentioned by the Dj tony refused to
> acknowledge the topic with a comment, instead he replied in a rude
> disrespectful grunt.
That solves many years of AMBS internal fighting. Raddion, you are totally
vindicated.
SNOWBLIND
Sani aTTila
>
>MichealDio <miche...@aol.com> wrote:
>> I'm not insulting
>> Ozzy....i just cant stomach these people who refuse to recognize the
work
>of
>> RJD,Gillan,and Martin when they possess superior talent to Ozzy and
>everyone
>> who has ears knows it to be fact.
>>
does
>> Gillan,Rodger Daultry,Steven Tyler, Joe lynn Turner etc...ect...ect.
>
>one psychoman any time of a day.
Dehumanizer had too much songs that were like copies of one another. _I_
is the only stand-out tune. The same goes to Judas Priest's
"Jugulator" - one good tune and the rest of it is like aluminium metal,
not steel. Iommi's pen didn't rip.
Up in Smoke
Cornholio wrote:
>
> I said:
Enough for a lifetime.
Up in Smoke
Cornholio was having a bad trip and wrote:
>
> MichealDio said:
>
> >The "Sab four" as you call them...have brought Sabbath to it's conclusion...
>
> and you're saying this as a Sabbath fan?
>
> let's let time show what is yet to happen,as of now, they are as real of a
> possibility as Britney Spears and Eminem are, not that I want to listen to
> music geared toward their fans
>
> >You
> >can look forward into the abyss all you want...They failed to produce anything
> >of quality with their final effort...
>
> one album isn't all that much, and they knew all their fans wanted to hear
> the muisc thye did when they wrere together anyway, isn't that the
> defintion of a reunion
>
> >and you look forward...Thanks for your
> >lack of vision and reality...I'll look forward to hearing tony's solo
> >effort...
>
> I'll probably enjoy at some time too, nothing to say he can't make both
> Sabbath music and solo music, nothing to say any them can't do likewise
>
> > you stick to watching Back to the Future movies....
>
> you're the one that likes fantasy music
>
> > And TeRRy bashing.
>
> and of course you would like to make the transferrence that since I didn't
> bash Terry, there wasn't something wholesome about me, hyprocrite
Good post. Not too long. Right to the point. Mickey *would* be stupid
enough to call you a terry basher. His posting style and trolls branded
him a piece of shit. His legal problems have no place in this
newsgroup, however he was asking for it.
Jason
Ozzy is more talented than Dio! Don't let the Dio trolls try & fool you
into thinking he's not. Ozzy has a deeper voice than Dio. There is
nothing wrong with THAT...is there? Call me crazy but I think Ozzy the
Ultimate Madman hass a GREAT voice & Dio sounds like a female cat in
heat.
Hail Satan & Bless The Indulgence of The Rock N Roll Rebel! 666
Jason
You must be much older than me. I'm 26 & it was before my time but it is
well documented that Ozzy didn't leave Black Sabbath in 79..he was
fired. There is a slight diference. It was a big deal for Ozzy & a
sizeable portion of Black Sabbath fans for whom, Ozzy was always the
focal point for. Ozzy was upset & it almost killed him & many fans would
have been devestated by his death. But Sharon Arden (one of the fans who
cared) saved his life. There was was a big deal for a Black Sabbath
Reunion when Dio was at the helm as you would put it. That's why the
band did Live Aid in 85. No Rest For the Wicked Tour was with Geezer so
of course the demand for a full Reunion wasn't as strong but the next
year the pressure was back on During No More Tears.
Hail Lucifer & The Master of Reality's Indulgence in the so called sins!
666
Heartbreak Kid
>
> How much drugs did it take to come up with this?
Not as much as it took to come up with NSD being superior to H&H
-HBK-
MichealDio
many people where excited about "The New Sabbath"...with "that dude from
Rainbow who kicks serious ass" singing...Album sales reflected the enthusiasm
as well as the lack of enthusiasm for the previous decline of Sabbath...Some as
you say were probably very disappointed to see the original vocalist go....but
you couldn't hear the discontent at the concerts,request lines,check-out
counters,or even at Ozzy's shows.. nobody gave a fuck...infact i heard people
at the Oz mans shows saying what an improvement over Sabbath his shows
were...and personally I agree..You were not there...and i am 11 years your
senior....So vote for Bush...and get me some free drugs .OK?
MichealDio
>Ozzy is more talented than Dio! Don't let the Dio trolls try & fool you
>into thinking he's not.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!.....and so what if was?....nice try...but most people
can hear...they may not prefer Dio....but to say Ozzy has more talent than any
of the other Sabbath vocalists is lunacy or ignorance.
Jason
It's to bad the band made Ozzy their scapegoat rather than the band
listening to his creative ideas like they had done in the past but
perhaps it's not to late for them & they will all get together for a
studio album after they all finish solo projects.
I think it is very possible.
I loved Psycho Man & Selling My Soul. They are great songs.
Hail Tunrida & Never Say Die! 666
Jason
You are biased & ignorant not me.
How was Ozzy out of control & unprofessional?
If Dio was Sabbath in 1980 it was in name only. Gram Bonnet was Rainbow
in 1978 & Joe Lynn Turner was Rainbow in 1980. They both blow Dio away
who is old & can't perform like he used to.
How much DO you love Blizzard of Ozz?
Be honest!
Black Sabbath did not do Reunion by popular demand. In my opinion Iommi
& Ozzy just worked out their differences on a personal level. I don't
think it had anything to do with us fans. But I guess I could be wrong.
Hail Belial & The Magik of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath! 666
tommyw
]This is where you show just how biased and ignorant you are..
Mr Pot, let me introduce you to Mr Kettle...
MichealDio
>Hail Tunrida & Never Say Die! 666
This is why I insult you....You deserve it.
MichealDio
>You are biased & ignorant not me.
maybe a little..
How was Ozzy out of control & unprofessional?
>
Ask David Lee Roth why sabbath asked him to if he knew any of their material
and could sing on short notice....he would know better than I.
> Gram Bonnet was Rainbow
>in 1978 & Joe Lynn Turner was Rainbow in 1980. They both blow Dio away
Wow...I found somebody who actually thinks this way....long time ...no see.>
>Dio
>who is old & can't perform like he used to.
True...Dio is not nearly as good as he used to be....and still he is far better
live than most vocalists of this genre....and his...
>How much DO you love Blizzard of Ozz?
>Be honest!
Shit...you called me on it...Well i must say....I still spin that one at least
4 days out of the week...I love that album...but for different reasons than you
might think...1 Randy Rhodes is completely mind blowing....2.The lyrics are
right for the music....3.Ozzy does an excellent job....his style makes that
album immortal....But would i say his vocal ability rivals Glenn Huges who i
despise...never..that would be something you would say out of ignorance......
tommyw
]HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!.....and so what if was?....nice try...but most people
]can hear...they may not prefer Dio....but to say Ozzy has more talent than any
]of the other Sabbath vocalists is lunacy or ignorance.
Ozzy IS the most talented of the Sabbath singers. He was the best one
on stage. In voice terms, only Ian Gillan beats him, little dio was
nowhere close.
DEVILMANOZZY
Black Sabbath fan*. I love Ozzy too, but DIO did Heaven and Hell great.
better then Blizzard of Ozz. Listen to the song eaven and Hell. You
can't tell me that, that's crap. It's also a bit of advise.....Stay to
stuff thats about the Era you like. I like every Era of Black Sabbath.
Tony Martin's Era to Ian's Era. Take your ideas to threads about Ozzy
and not about DIO vs. Iommi. Ozzy has an Ego and everyone here knows it
Like it or not. DIO has an Ego. And So does Tony. I wish for once
somejerk that likes Geezer Butler more than the rest would show up and
talk up Geezer's Solo band. Cause his Solo band is the best as of far.
Geezer is the only true dark one which most miss here in this group.
Listen to the Black Sabbath albums and his Solo work. See who the Madman
really is?! GEEZER! HE'S THE MAN!
MichealDio
>really is?! GEEZER! HE'S THE MAN!
>
No doubt....Geezer is the man...
MichealDio
>]can hear...they may not prefer Dio....but to say Ozzy has more talent than
>any
>]of the other Sabbath vocalists is lunacy or ignorance.
>Ozzy IS the most talented of the Sabbath singers. He was the best one
>on stage. In voice terms, only Ian Gillan beats him, little dio was
>nowhere close.
Thank you for proving once again exactly what level of ignorance you have
achieved...Now that it has become obvious you are partially deaf...I feel no
need to discuss music with you any longer...Thanx...I found you somewhat
amusing....as well as stupid.
Ken & AnnMarie
But I cared little for the Plastic Planet release--I have not played it
since after the week I got it.
Maybe I should play it again--but I remember the vocals being a bit
parody-esque while the Black science was both more aggressive and more down
to earth.
My wife HATES it so I mostly play them when I am surfing and she is doing
other things around the house--HEHE.
Later,
KEN
--
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The Man On A Silver Mountain
http://www.DioZine.com/
The ONLY On Line Dio Fan Zine
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DEVILMANOZZY <devilm...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7415-39E...@storefull-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> You will never understand will you jason?! Your a devoted Ozzy fan *Not
> Black Sabbath fan*. I love Ozzy too, but DIO did Heaven and Hell great.
> better then Blizzard of Ozz. Listen to the song eaven and Hell. You
> can't tell me that, that's crap. It's also a bit of advise.....Stay to
> stuff thats about the Era you like. I like every Era of Black Sabbath.
> Tony Martin's Era to Ian's Era. Take your ideas to threads about Ozzy
> and not about DIO vs. Iommi. Ozzy has an Ego and everyone here knows it
> Like it or not. DIO has an Ego. And So does Tony. I wish for once
> somejerk that likes Geezer Butler more than the rest would show up and
> talk up Geezer's Solo band. Cause his Solo band is the best as of far.
> Geezer is the only true dark one which most miss here in this group.
tommyw
]Thank you for proving once again exactly what level of ignorance you have
]achieved...Now that it has become obvious you are partially deaf...I feel no
]need to discuss music with you any longer...Thanx...I found you somewhat
]amusing....as well as stupid.
Oh dear, that was poor. Given up already? tut tut. If you're gonna
troll you might as well follow it through.
tommyw
]>I loved Psycho Man & Selling My Soul. They are great songs.
]>Hail Tunrida & Never Say Die! 666
]
]This is why I insult you....You deserve it.
nah, you insult ozzy fans cos you cant take OZZY being ten times the
man dio is, in voice and stature. you little dio fans are ignorant
bigotted trolls who cant stand to see someone better the little
hitler. well dio is past it and Ozzy is still going as strong as
ever. so get over it and stop whining.
MichealDio
>man dio is, in voice and stature. you little dio fans are ignorant
OK....to you this is all about Ozzy fans vs Dio fans....how mature....and
original.
Benedict
> [....] blows away anything Ozzy has ever done vocally ...as does [....] Joe lynn Turner etc...ect...ect.
Harsh words :)
I think you have to consider the entire *performance*; words, music, band.
I don't think Ozzy takes himself so seriously as JLT. Heck, in a recent
interview JLT set himself up as better than RJD in Rainbow on the strength
of a throwaway comment made a long time ago by Ritchie.
I was around at the changeover also and have to say that I was *very*
pleased when both H&H *and* Blizzard were released. Same with MR and DoaM.
I guess this chimes with your later post about what people said about
Ozzy's solo live shows.
As it happens, I kind of gave up on the new material from each band after
these albums, although I later went back and bought the rest of the Sabbath
material and some (not all) of the Ozzy solo stuff.
--
Benedict
http://www.1112.net/lastpage.html
Hail Santa. Roll on Rudolph.
tommyw
]>nah, you insult ozzy fans cos you cant take OZZY being ten times the
]>man dio is, in voice and stature. you little dio fans are ignorant
]
]OK....to you this is all about Ozzy fans vs Dio fans....how mature....and
]original.
nope, this is about you, and other dio fans trolling. please follow
threads properly before you speak out your arse.
MichealDio
>]>man dio is, in voice and stature. you little dio fans are ignorant
>]
>]OK....to you this is all about Ozzy fans vs Dio fans....how mature....and
>]original.
>
>nope, this is about you, and other dio fans trolling. please follow
>threads properly before you speak out your arse.
>--
>
fans"....sorry for my mistake...(.lmao)...I now realize being a Dio fan
automatically negates my opinion....and inhibits your ability to comprehend or
admit your at fault for this childish display ....Thank you....I will take your
comments under advisement for future reference.
MichealDio
>interview JLT set himself up as better than RJD in Rainbow on the strength
>of a throwaway comment made a long time ago by Ritchie.
JLT once said he thought RJD and Gillan were unable to perform songs like Spot
Light Kid....he never thought to ask if they felt it necessary to do so...JLT
has his moments...But i prefer OZZy's style to his "plane jane,chick
rock"approach
>I was around at the changeover also and have to say that I was *very*
>pleased when both H&H *and* Blizzard were released. Same with MR and DoaM.
>I guess this chimes with your later post about what people said about
>Ozzy's solo live shows.
>
Well ...although i favor the Dio era....I will not dispute the truth....Ozzy
was excellent solo....Why shouldn't that be said?....Seems people want to
alienate and aggitate others who prefer different vocalist who took part in
this band...If i was to rate them by vocal ability Ozzy would fall to bottom of
my list...If I were to rate them according to preference...Ozzy comes in
second...apparently that makes me a troll.
tommyw
] Ok...let me make sure I understand...."this is about you and other Dio
]fans"....sorry for my mistake...(.lmao)...I now realize being a Dio fan
]automatically negates my opinion....and inhibits your ability to comprehend or
]admit your at fault for this childish display ....Thank you....I will take your
]comments under advisement for future reference.
*yawn* you get more and more pointless as you go on. i think i'll
stop feeding the troll now
tommyw
]***DIO RULES***
]
]TeRRy
go back to you're kiddie porn and stop bothering us.
Up in Smoke
tommyw wrote:
>
> Some cunt recorded this:
>
> ] Ok...let me make sure I understand...."this is about you and other Dio
> ]fans"....sorry for my mistake...(.lmao)...I now realize being a Dio fan
> ]automatically negates my opinion....and inhibits your ability to comprehend or
> ]admit your at fault for this childish display ....Thank you....I will take your
> ]comments under advisement for future reference.
>
> *yawn* you get more and more pointless as you go on. i think i'll
> stop feeding the troll now
Mickey is not high enough on the food chain to be considered a troll.
MichealDio
Funny....I'm a lot higher on the food chain than you think brother...i laugh at
you because i have the time....i have the time because i have
the----------...you can fill in the blanks without your mommy cant ya?...
BrutalNoodle
>
> I really liked Black Science--spin it fairly often.
> But I cared little for the Plastic Planet release--I have not played it
> since after the week I got it.
Then you must give it another spin. PP is good stuff!!
> Maybe I should play it again--but I remember the vocals being a bit
> parody-esque while the Black science was both more aggressive and more down
> to earth.
Hmmmm I thought the vocals were raw (obviously like Fear Factory) & IMO, PP
was way more aggressive than Black Science. I went just the opposite route.
Don't play BS much & spin PP alot. Gonna have to give BS another try.
> My wife HATES it so I mostly play them when I am surfing and she is doing
> other things around the house--HEHE.
Consider yourself lucky. My wife listens to emptv, pop crap!!
--
"'Scuse me for the clothes I wear, 'scuse me how long is my hair,
'scuse me for being real, you may not like it but it's the way I feel,
'scuse me for liven in the past, 'scuse me when your fads don't last".
Trouble - 'Scuse me Manic Frustration
BrutalNoodle
>
> In article <W7mE5.203$XN4....@news-west.eli.net>, "Ken & AnnMarie"
> <bo...@ctaz.com> wrote:
>
> >My wife HATES it so I mostly play them when I am surfing and she is doing
> >other things around the house--HEHE.
>
> Tewy
>
haha That's funny considering that's exactly what you'll be getting from Bubba
in a few weeks!! hahahahaha
tommyw
]In article <s9r4usg2o0k2jo5lf...@4ax.com>, tommyw
]Too much of a PUSSY to speak on the topic....a billboard for the MORONs.
]
]There is NO WAY u or ANYONE can say that DIO does not kick oZZy's ASS.
]
]***DIO RULES***
]
]TeRRy
or perhaps i just don't care as much as you. i know i like ozzy and
that he was the best singer Sabbath ever had in my opinion, you're
inane shite spouting isn't going to change that, or the fact that dio
RUINED Mistreated when he "performed" it with Rainbow (the best
version of which is on Live In The Heart Of The City by Whitesnake).
I'm just glad this is the only Deep Purple song dio's attempted to
sing that i've had the misfortune of hearing, otherwise I might have
had to hurt someone.