Is Dio Gay?
Brett Ames
poison by yo bad self, are yah? BTW, what did you think Fight was all
about? I was once in a band where the lead singer was a worshipper of
the great Priest to the extreme. As a result, we were always
"discussin'" who's song's we were going to cover (the bassist and I were
Sabbath heads). Once we met a dude, who was the on/off drummer for
Billy Idol. He told us that Rob "digs guys" and provided some pretty
convincing hearsay regarding a tour that they were on in the west. We
didn't do much Priest after that. 'Course, we didn't cover any
Dio-lead-Sabbath either.
Brett
Raddion wrote:
>
> Well, it's Friday night, and I, Raddion have been experimenting with different
> combinations of imported beer and Yukon Jack. And thinking..... I just read in
> a recent 'rock magazine' that Rob Halford is gay. Call me ignorant, but I never
> knew this! (by the way, I consider Judas Priest to be a phenomenal heavy metal
> band) So Rob Halford's being gay doesn't affect the way I feel about Judas
> Priest, because I don't discriminate against anybody but assholes. But it did
> get me to thinking.... if Rob 'Harley Davidson' Halford can be gay, ANYBODY can
> be gay.... by coincidence, I have been reflecting recently on Dio and his
> onstage mannerisms, and his lacey costumes..... nah, never mind!!!
> RADDION
Arcanum Magicus
>experimenting with different combinations of
>imported beer and Yukon Jack. And thinking.....
speculation and anticipation on jus what sort of imports those were!
Now, I try something different every weekend myself, but lately, I must
say those microbreweries sprouting up in the NorthWest section of
America are MightyFine, MightyFine. Ever tried Pyramid Pale Ale,or the
ale brewed from hempseeds in good ol CA, Humboldt Hemp Ale? Now that's a
Mighty Fine treat.. Delectable to the tastebuds, rich with a commanding
presence... It isn't supposed to be active of course, but then why does
this ale give one such a violent case of the munchies then, I want to
know! My favorite import is Bass Ale and it was $on sale$ at Vons even,
but this complete bastrd too off with the last one, so I settled on
Pete's ESP lager. A Mighty Fine speciman, I must say! All the Beer Gods
are smiling! Sorry, I forgot this is not alt.beer.. what were we talking
about?
>I just read in a recent 'rock magazine' that Rob
>Halford is gay. Call me ignorant, but I never
>knew this! (by the way, I consider Judas Priest
>to be a phenomenal heavy metal band) So Rob
>Halford's being gay doesn't affect the way I feel
>about Judas Priest, because I don't discriminate
>against anybody but assholes. But it did get me
>to thinking.... if Rob 'Harley Davidson' Halford
>can be gay, ANYBODY can be gay.... by
>coincidence, I have been reflecting recently on
>Dio and his onstage mannerisms, and his lacey
>costumes..... nah, never mind!!!
RADDION
Well, I agree with you on this, RADDION... the gay people I have known
of have been a riot! They make jokes about themselves before you do! But
Ronnie was with this blonde chick on one of those video magazines, which
I bought because sexy Ozzy was in it!!!
Suzanne
Raddion
Well, it's Friday night, and I, Raddion have been experimenting with different
DShezza
>.. if Rob 'Harley Davidson' Halford can be gay, ANYBODY can
>be gay..
Geez, I always thought he blurred the line...ever see those costumes he wore in
JP in the late 70's before the leather thing became their uniform? At any
rate, I never thought he was very convincingly macho and I didn't hear the
"inside scoop" until 1988 or so. RJD, it may be argued, is ugly enough to
scare off women but, OTOH, he IS a lead singer. At any rate, RJD was married
at least once (to Wendy, his ex-wife and still manager) and has at least one
child...a son, though not by Wendy.
DS
"Mind, Body, Heart & Soul...we've got Rock & Roll...and there's nothing they
can do"
HittMann98
>I have been reflecting recently on Dio and his
>onstage mannerisms, and his lacey costumes..... nah, never mind!!!
Dont even go that route.
Tommy Hittmann
Crawford Lee Seals
Raddion wrote in message <19980925211951...@ng62.aol.com>...
>
>Well, it's Friday night, and I, Raddion have been experimenting with
different
>combinations of imported beer and Yukon Jack. And thinking..... I just read
in
>a recent 'rock magazine' that Rob Halford is gay. Call me ignorant, but I
never
>knew this! (by the way, I consider Judas Priest to be a phenomenal heavy
metal
>band) So Rob Halford's being gay doesn't affect the way I feel about Judas
>Priest, because I don't discriminate against anybody but assholes. But it
did
can
>be gay.... by coincidence, I have been reflecting recently on Dio and his
>onstage mannerisms, and his lacey costumes..... nah, never mind!!!
Well, as guardian of all things Dio, I must admit that I was initially
shocked at Raddion's drunken ramblings. First and foremost, Yukon Jack is a
bastardized Yankee concoction not fit for human consumption. That should
tell you somethin' right off the bat. Any self-respecting man would be
swillin' sugary-sweet, yet oh so delicious, Southern Comfort. Sheeeeesh.
Second, and I really hesitate to bring this up, but I've been forced into a
corner. For those of you who would like to see it, I have in my possession
an online receipt for an inflatable John Holmes doll and an expanding
electric butt-plug ordered by none other than the Rad Man himself from a
store called The Closet (any Zappa fans catch this one?). Sure, he says
it's for his wife. But think about it: he's a Pats fan. 'Nuff said.
Third, and most importantly, you can goof on the Capt. Kirk of Metal all you
want, but you can't look me in the eye and tell me that H&H and Mob Rules
were not PHENOMENAL metal albums. You are depriving yourself of these
wonderful pleasures. Neon Knights, Children of the Sea, Turn Up the Night,
Falling off the Edge of the World, Wishing Well, Heaven and Hell, Lady Evil,
Die Young, Slipping Away ------ you gotta be crazy for not rollin' 'round on
the floor thankin' the good lord for the musical blessings that have
befallen your CD player.
Fourth, Dio's mannerisms are what make him so damned great. A generic front
man this guy ain't. Granted, on something like Black n Blue, they (his
mannerisms) were soooo outrageous that they're comical. He certainly wasn't
like this before (with Rainbow) or after (as a solo act). Maybe it was the
cameras or something. At any rate, this is part of the man's charm. Sure,
it's a little goofy, but embrace it. Enjoy it. He's a character. He takes
you on his own little twisted journey......to a misty morning on the edge of
time. Damnit Raddion, you've lost the rising sun, the final sign. Anyway,
I love the guy. He's truly got a vision. That little guy sings like a 100
ft. tall caged tiger. Just listen to "I" off of Dehumanizer. Man, it's
pure bliss.
God Bless the Capt. Kirk of metal,
Crawdad
Jason Fifer
have Ozzy like Bite the little elfs head off & stuff & then Ronnie's
head could like cry & then start singing Holy Diver. Woe! That would
kicks ass & like Geezer, Bill & Tony Iommi could be in Ozzy's corner &
Tony Martin, Ian Gilian (punches a security guard & gets busted) & Glen
Hughs could be ringside of Dio's cornner. Of course Ozzy & the other
original Sabbath members would win! That would be so cool,man!
YA GOT YOUR BALLS TO THE WALLS MAN!
BALLS TO THE WALLLLSSSS!
Bill Montbleau
Sabbath ever had a member who was gay?" This was before Halford came out,
BTW. Somebody replied "Well, given the fact that Sabbath has had tons of
members in their career, and the statistic that about 1 in 20 people are
gay, there has probably been a gay Black Sabbath member."
Granted, every album featuring Dio seems to have a song about an evil
woman, but Ronnie isn't gay. (not that I'd care if he was)
Jason Fifer (ahr...@webtv.net) wrote:
: They should like have Ozzy kick Dio's ass on Celebraty Death Match and
: have Ozzy like Bite the little elfs head off & stuff & then Ronnie's
: head could like cry & then start singing Holy Diver. Woe! That would
: kicks ass & like Geezer, Bill & Tony Iommi could be in Ozzy's corner &
Settle down, Beavis.
--
Bill M. 8)- | "Forgetting WHERE you left your car keys is not a
gee...@wpi.edu | sign of Alzheimer's; forgetting what they DO..."
T H I N K !| - George Carlin
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ASL1930-97RIP | BS'97, MS'98 WPI Mathematical Sciences Dept.
Raddion
>
>Man, Raddion, you got to get out more. You ain't sluggin' down that
>poison by yo bad self, are yah?
is on me..... sometimes I wish I could just pack up and run away to Sweden or
something.....
RADDION
Raddion
Jason write:
>
>They should like have Ozzy kick Dio's ass on Celebraty Death Match and
>have Ozzy like Bite the little elfs head off & stuff & then Ronnie's
>head could like cry & then start singing Holy Diver. Woe!
Excuse me while I wipe off my monitor. That was really funny!!!! Actually, I
think I heard that Sabbath was already on Celebrity Death Match, against Led
Zeppelin maybe?
RADDION
Raddion
> At any rate, RJD was married
>at least once (to Wendy, his ex-wife and still manager) and has at least one
>child...a son,
I don't think being married and having children precludes a person from being
gay, or from mail ordering inflatable John Holmes dolls & losing the reciepts
seven states away! I guess he isn't gay, but neither is he hetero.... he could
be asexual.
RADDION
Raddion
Crawdad slandered:
>
>Well, as guardian of all things Dio, I must admit that I was initially
>shocked at Raddion's drunken ramblings. First and foremost, Yukon Jack is a
>bastardized Yankee concoction not fit for human consumption. That should
>tell you somethin' right off the bat. Any self-respecting man would be
>swillin' sugary-sweet, yet oh so delicious, Southern Comfort. Sheeeeesh.
Southern Comfort? I have a bottle in the freezer, I put it on my waffles in the
morning sometimes. Lightweight!!!
>For those of you who would like to see it, I have in my possession
>an online receipt for an inflatable John Holmes doll and an expanding
>electric butt-plug ordered by none other than the Rad Man himself from a
>store called The Closet (any Zappa fans catch this one?)
You know, Crawdad, I like you (a lot, big guy!), but you need to get your facts
straight before you go parading inaccurate information before the genital
public. It was a Ron Jeremy doll if it's any of your business, I chopped off
it's feet and shaved it's chest and dressed it in a lacey elf costume. The
buttplug..... was for a friend or something, I don't remember (this statement
is useful in a court of law).
>
>Third, and most importantly, you can goof on the Capt. Kirk of Metal all you
>want, but you can't look me in the eye and tell me that H&H and Mob Rules
>were not PHENOMENAL metal albums.
I don't think I ragged on the (man) at all, I just don't know much about him
and was seeking to expand my knowledge by initiating a discussion pertaining to
but not limited to..... possible rampant homosexuality among lead singers.
> Damnit Raddion, you've lost the rising sun, the final sign. Anyway,
>I love the guy. He's truly got a vision. That little guy sings like a 100
>ft. tall caged tiger. Just listen to "I" off of Dehumanizer. Man, it's
>pure bliss.
>
>God Bless the Capt. Kirk of metal,
>Crawdad
>
I know, I know. You're right, all three albums are kickass. So why can't I
listen to them? Well, I think there's something about the frequencies he hits
with his voice- the constant hi-pitched shriek- that grates on me and wears me
down after only one or two songs. I start to get agitated and irritated but I
hold on as long as possible.... but then my hands are practically shaking as I
fumble for the eject button and practically rip the damn thing out of the deck,
usually to the applause of anyone in the immediate listening area! However, I
give him his due, but I rate Mob Rules below Heaven And Hell and Dehumaniser,
for it's formulaic predictability.
RADDION
(rolling on the floor and thanking the Good Lord for Master Of Reality!)
Raddion
Suzanne wrote:
>Now RADDION, don't just leave us hanging on the edges of our seats in
>speculation and anticipation on jus what sort of imports those were!
>Now, I try something different every weekend myself, but lately, I must
>say those microbreweries sprouting up in the NorthWest section of
>America are MightyFine, MightyFine. Ever tried Pyramid Pale Ale,or the
>ale brewed from hempseeds in good ol CA, Humboldt Hemp Ale? Now that's a
>Mighty Fine treat.. Delectable to the tastebuds, rich with a commanding
>presence... It isn't supposed to be active of course, but then why does
>this ale give one such a violent case of the munchies then, I want to
>know! My favorite import is Bass Ale and it was $on sale$ at Vons even,
>but this complete bastrd too off with the last one, so I settled on
>Pete's ESP lager. A Mighty Fine speciman, I must say! All the Beer Gods
>are smiling! Sorry, I forgot this is not alt.beer.. what were we talking
>about?
>
Wow..... well, it was only last night that I shook my head as I stared through
the glass door of the cooler at my usual spot in the package store.... and took
my first tentative steps away from the Land of Budweiser. I do like lagers,
dark beers are too radical for Raddion, and they don't mix well with Yukon
Jack! I did not like "Beck's" I found it to be an aftertaste-ridden Heineken
wannabe. But the second brand I tried, called "Harp" and imported from Ireland,
really caught my attention! Or was it the price that caught my attention!!??
Yeow!!! But I had to be sure. Back to the Packy. Yes, the second Harp was as
good as the first! And the third was as good ash the shecond! Before I knew it,
Dio was gay and Raddion was riding out some serious head spins!!! Thanks for
the info, I'll be sure to check out some of the beers you mentioned.
Raddion
Jason Fifer
Did they really have Celebraty Death Match vs. Led Zepplin? If so who
won & when was that on? You crack me up man with your Dio jokes.
Peace, Jason
moonflower
> I know, I know. You're right, all three albums are kickass. So why can't I
> listen to them? Well, I think there's something about the frequencies he hits
> with his voice- the constant hi-pitched shriek- that grates on me and wears me
> down after only one or two songs. I start to get agitated and irritated but I
> hold on as long as possible.... but then my hands are practically shaking as I
> fumble for the eject button and practically rip the damn thing out of the deck,
> usually to the applause of anyone in the immediate listening area! However, I
> give him his due, but I rate Mob Rules below Heaven And Hell and Dehumaniser,
> for it's formulaic predictability.
My dear Raddion, I guess I know what you mean. Dio's technique leaves
little to be desired. But, the dictatorial way he phrases his fixed
voice can easily lead to a bad case of hypoglycemia which causes that
trembling in one of my hands and an urge for something substantial to
chew on even - even a strong Flemish beer won't help me here. But, I
have to admit this: Dio is a talented composer with a storehouse of
romantic melodies in his head. Yet, these often too sweet, rather
operatic tunes were responsible for a sound which is a little on the
smooth side and fairly predictable for a band called Black Sabbath. I
think the beautiful, but somewhat kitschy song Children Of The Sea is a
good example for this (by the way Crawford, don't you hear the prog
influence here?). An other drawback is in my opinion the simplicity of
the tracks you could describe as rockers on the two eighties albums.
Just compare something square and trivial like Lady Evil with the
frivolous spirituality of a Sabbra Cadabra. (I am not going to say
anything about Dehumanizer, since that is a rather different story).
Yes, sister Karin, it's strange that our ears can have so little in
common.
Medusa
Crawford Lee Seals
>Yet, these often too sweet, rather
>operatic tunes were responsible for a sound which is a little on the
>smooth side and fairly predictable for a band called Black Sabbath. I
>think the beautiful, but somewhat kitschy song Children Of The Sea is a
>good example for this (by the way Crawford, don't you hear the prog
>influence here?).
No. I'm not being facetious or coy. I just don't hear anything I would
consider "prog" --- but then again, I'm no prog expert.
An other drawback is in my opinion the simplicity of
>the tracks you could describe as rockers on the two eighties albums.
>Just compare something square and trivial like Lady Evil with the
>frivolous spirituality of a Sabbra Cadabra. (I am not going to say
>anything about Dehumanizer, since that is a rather different story).
>Yes, sister Karin, it's strange that our ears can have so little in
>common.
>
>Medusa
Yes, of course, Ozzy era Sabbath was far more imaginative. There's no
argument about that. Consequently, I like that era more. The Dio era was
just pretty basic ol' metal, but it was GREAT basic ol' metal. I simply
appreciate both forms of music. I almost consider them two different bands.
Both were great at what they did.
Crawdad
p.s. tell your sis' I send my regards and hope that she is doing well.
HittMann98
>I don't think being married and having children precludes a person from being
>gay, or from mail ordering inflatable John Holmes dolls & losing the reciepts
>seven states away! I guess he isn't gay, but neither is he hetero.... he
>could
>be asexual.
Why dont we cut the crap here.
Why was this useless post even written??
I know Ronnie personally, he is as straight
as a arrow, and loves women as much as
the next straight guy.
Come on, please give it a rest!!!!!!!!
Tommy Hittmann
HittMann98
>They should like have Ozzy kick Dio's ass on Celebraty Death Match and
>: have Ozzy like Bite the little elfs head off & stuff & then Ronnie's
>: kicks ass & like Geezer, Bill & Tony Iommi could be in Ozzy's corner &
>
>Settle down, Beavis.
>
the singers who have ever been in Sabbath,
in a battle royale and the last one who is not
mutilated and left standing wins!!!!!!
Tommy Hittmann
>--
>
HittMann98
>They should like have Ozzy kick Dio's ass on Celebraty Death Match and
>have Ozzy like Bite the little elfs head off & stuff & then Ronnie's
>head could like cry & then start singing Holy Diver.
How about Ronnie kicks Ozzy square
in the nads, and puches him in the face
and Ozzy goes through the mat straight
to hell, while he is singing War Pigs.
Tommy Hittmann
HittMann98
>want, but you can't look me in the eye and tell me that H&H and Mob Rules
>>were not PHENOMENAL metal albums.
Heaven and Hell And The Mob Rules
are brillant albums.
>You're right, all three albums are kickass. So why can't I
>listen to them?
The same way I cant listen to some of Ozzys work.
>Well, I think there's something about the frequencies he hits
>with his voice- the constant hi-pitched shriek- that grates on me and wears
>me
Since when does RONNIE have a high
pitched shriek??
The guy has the most amazing range I have heard in almost all my years as a
muisc fan.
Tommy Hittmann
HittMann98
>The Dio era was
>just pretty basic ol' metal, but it was GREAT basic ol' metal. I simply
>appreciate both forms of music. I almost consider them two different bands.
>Both were great at what they did.
>
>
I think the Dio era abought the best out in
everyones playing. With Ozzy live even TI
said he really had to cover Ozzys lack of range, and power. Once Ronnie came
in,
you notice how Tony really showed his
brillance as a guitar player.
Ronnie bought the best out in Sabbath.
This is no knock on Ozzy.
But how come it took untill Live Evil for
Sabbath to come out with a live album.
Offical release. 2 albums with RJD and they
put out a live album.
Years with Ozzy and no live album.
Tommy Hittmann
HittMann98
>How about in Celebrity Death Match all
>the singers who have ever been in Sabbath,
>in a battle royale and the last one who is not
>mutilated and left standing wins!!!!!
Then 30 minutes later the winner has to
face STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN,
in a flaming barb wired match.
Tommy Hittmann
Brett Ames
> Heaven and Hell And The Mob Rules
> are brillant albums.
If you took the best songs from Heaven and Hell and combined them with
the best songs from Mob Rules, then you would have one very good single
album. Not brilliant and not Black Sabbath, but a very good hard rock
album. How many songs about rainbows do we need?
> Since when does RONNIE have a high
> pitched shriek??
I think that the proper musical term is falsetto, which Dio has
definitely mastered.
Brett
Brett Ames
> Ronnie bought the best out in Sabbath.
Ronnie allowed them to follow a simple "metal" formula, however, gone
was the free ranging, "jam" type format that characterized the real
Black Sabbath. A lot of this was probably the record company, but a lot
of it was also the loss of the magic that is only present when the four
of the original members are present together. This is the same problem
that you hear with the new songs on the reunion release. Geezer and
Bill are left out of the creative process, so it sounds like the songs
were created by... well Ozzy and his guitar player of the day.
Fortunately, we have the king of the riff this time. We need Geezer's
and Bill's influence too, however, if we are going to hear some of the
old magic.
> This is no knock on Ozzy.
> But how come it took untill Live Evil for
> Sabbath to come out with a live album.
Because Ozzy was too drunk to remember the words on tour.
> Offical release. 2 albums with RJD and they
> put out a live album.
Part of the record contract with Warner Brothers.
> Years with Ozzy and no live album.
Until now, Hallelujah!
Brett
Crawford Lee Seals
Crawford Lee Seals
Brett Ames wrote in message <360DF446...@erols.com>...
>HittMann98 wrote:
>
>> Heaven and Hell And The Mob Rules
>> are brillant albums.
>
>If you took the best songs from Heaven and Hell and combined them with
>the best songs from Mob Rules, then you would have one very good single
>album. Not brilliant and not Black Sabbath, but a very good hard rock
>album. How many songs about rainbows do we need?
Well, certainly personal taste is personal taste. I know what you mean,
figuratively speaking, but are there really that many Dio era Sabbath songs
about Rainbows??? Perhaps before and after, but not during his tenure in
the early 80's. However, I do get your point. I, for one, really enjoyed
the lyrical respite that Dio gave us from such icky tunes like Rock n Roll
Doctor, She's Gone, You Won't Change Me, Gypsy, etc. His fantasy lyrics were
always interesting, for me, anyway.
Anyway, I suppose that, once again, it depends upon personal taste, but I
can, off the cuff, rattle off about 15 songs that I think are really strong
off H&H and Mob Rules (perhaps 18 if you add Dehumanizer). Either you love
Dio or you don't, apparently. I happen to really love both Ozzy and Dio.
Whatever your taste, you would be hardpressed to deny that Dio breathed much
needed life into the sagging sails of Sabbath at the time (from a commercial
standpoint, if nothing else). I, too, long for the time changes, the
incredible lyrics, the art rock leanings, and the experimentation. Believe
me, Ozzy era Sabbath holds a special place in my heart that no other band on
the planet could hope to occupy. However, at the same time, I like my rock
a little on the hard side. I think the Dio era delivered this better than
anyone else in the early 80's. Although they dropped the experimentation
from their repetoire (regrettably --- and God knows, I've bitched about this
on the NG more than anyone), they did manage to make better hard rock than
most or all of the bands out there at the time ('80 - 82). I, personally, c
an't think of anybody except perhaps Maiden (with Di'anno) who was making
better hard rock at the time.
If Ozzy had left after Sabotage, it would be a different story. He would be
a God in my eyes. But, unfortunately, Ozzy helped to crank out TE and NSD,
which I consider to be debacles. Dio blew some wind into the sails --- and
I've always respected him for that. He came into an almost impossible
situation. At least Bon Scott was dead when Brian Johnson stepped in. The
man stepped into the shoes of a LIVING legend and made a respectable
showing. I don't think anyone else on the planet could have done a better
job except, perhaps Paul Stanley (I'm kidding, Brett).
Crawdad
moonflower
>
> Brett Ames wrote in message <360DF446...@erols.com>...
> >HittMann98 wrote:
> >
> >> Heaven and Hell And The Mob Rules
> >> are brillant albums.
> >
> >If you took the best songs from Heaven and Hell and combined them with
> >the best songs from Mob Rules, then you would have one very good single
> >album. Not brilliant and not Black Sabbath, but a very good hard rock
> >album. How many songs about rainbows do we need?
> >
> >> pitched shriek??
> >
> >I think that the proper musical term is falsetto, which Dio has
> >definitely mastered.
> >
> >Brett
Crawford, what were you trying to say?
By the way: I did pass on my regards to my dear sister Karin (the other
Gorgon).
Medusa
moonflower
>
> >The Dio era was
> >just pretty basic ol' metal, but it was GREAT basic ol' metal. I simply
> >appreciate both forms of music. I almost consider them two different bands.
> >Both were great at what they did.
Very wise words, Crawdad. Karin always says the same to me, and although
I prefer the original line-up I have to agree with the both of you (that
is of course like Raddion already suspected: only in a chained and
beaten up condition;-)).
> Once Ronnie came
> in,
> you notice how Tony really showed his
> brillance as a guitar player.
Yes, but he always was a brilliant and very remarkable guitar player in
my view. One of the many examples I could give you Tommy is the outro of
Under The Sun. I think the red-brown thundering noise he produces in
this melody of astronomical proportians reminds me of some of the works
of the Italian-Greec painter Giorgio De Chirico. It hides the same
frightening "Silence" in its overwhelming power.
> Ronnie bought the best out in Sabbath.
> This is no knock on Ozzy.
> But how come it took untill Live Evil for
> Sabbath to come out with a live album.
> Offical release. 2 albums with RJD and they
> put out a live album.
> Years with Ozzy and no live album.
I thought Live At Last was official (even when the band was against its
release ).
Medusa
Wicked World
stupid post. Dio gay?!?!?!? Come on people, we can be more creative than
this.
HittMann98 wrote in message <19980926004636...@ng13.aol.com>...
:
:>I have been reflecting recently on Dio and his
:>onstage mannerisms, and his lacey costumes..... nah, never mind!!!
:
:Dont even go that route.
:
:
: Tommy Hittmann
Jason Fifer
is plenty of bootlegs that proves this to be wrong. I suspect the band
did not release any live albums until 82 because the quality of the
recordings that they had didn't do them justice. For example none of
them were happy about their former management releasing Live at Last.
Now we will have a good quality live album of the original 4 to enjoy. I
can't wait to get it Oct 20th! That will kick ass.
Raddion
Ok, that was funny! But come on Tommy, you know I really have respect for Dio,
and I don't really think he's gay. Very corny, and severely lacking in "cool",
but not gay.
Raddion
Raddion
>
>I'm not going to make this long at all, but I have to say that this is a
>stupid post. Dio gay?!?!?!? Come on people, we can be more creative than
>this.
>
oriented material from Raddion from now on.... I think the new live album will
be wonderful I sure am looking forward to it, gee, I wish all the singers could
have been on it.
RADDION
Crawford Lee Seals
moonflower wrote in message <360DDB...@wxs.nl>...
>Crawford Lee Seals wrote (?):
>>
>> Brett Ames wrote in message <360DF446...@erols.com>...
>> >HittMann98 wrote:
>> >
>> >> Heaven and Hell And The Mob Rules
>> >> are brillant albums.
>> >
>> >If you took the best songs from Heaven and Hell and combined them with
>> >the best songs from Mob Rules, then you would have one very good single
>> >album. Not brilliant and not Black Sabbath, but a very good hard rock
>> >album. How many songs about rainbows do we need?
>> >
>> >> Since when does RONNIE have a high
>> >> pitched shriek??
>> >
>> >I think that the proper musical term is falsetto, which Dio has
>> >definitely mastered.
>> >
>> >Brett
>
>Crawford, what were you trying to say?
Hmmmmmm, I don't know what I was trying to say. I would probably attribute
this to the fact that, although my name somehow got pasted to the top of
this thing, I didn't write one single solitary word of this post. Most
likely, this is the result of some U.N.-inspired conspiracy to take over the
world using my good name.
Crawdad
Crawford Lee Seals
moonflower wrote in message <360DE2...@wxs.nl>...
>Tommy wrote after Crawford said:
>>
>> >The Dio era was
>> >just pretty basic ol' metal, but it was GREAT basic ol' metal. I simply
>> >appreciate both forms of music. I almost consider them two different
bands.
>> >Both were great at what they did.
>
>Very wise words, Crawdad. Karin always says the same to me, and although
>I prefer the original line-up I have to agree with the both of you (that
>is of course like Raddion already suspected: only in a chained and
>beaten up condition;-)).
Thank you my dear Medusa. Also, for the record, it's worth noting that this
was the only quote of mine in this entire post. Once again, I contribute it
to the U.N. conspiracy that I have spoken of before. I have been told by
reliable sources that the name of the New World Order will actually be
"Crawdad", or possibly, "Crawford".
>> Once Ronnie came
>> in,
>> you notice how Tony really showed his
>> brillance as a guitar player.
>
>Yes, but he always was a brilliant and very remarkable guitar player in
>my view. One of the many examples I could give you Tommy is the outro of
>Under The Sun. I think the red-brown thundering noise he produces in
>this melody of astronomical proportians reminds me of some of the works
>of the Italian-Greec painter Giorgio De Chirico. It hides the same
>frightening "Silence" in its overwhelming power.
>
>> Ronnie bought the best out in Sabbath.
>> This is no knock on Ozzy.
>> But how come it took untill Live Evil for
>> Sabbath to come out with a live album.
>> Offical release. 2 albums with RJD and they
>> put out a live album.
>> Years with Ozzy and no live album.
>
>I thought Live At Last was official (even when the band was against its
>release ).
>
>Medusa
Crawdad
Karin Beks
and 'Heaven And Hell' to her CD player, meanwhile (accidentally?)
forgetting to place within arm's reach any food with which to temper her
hypoglycemia over the long...long night ahead, though not a fair amount
of sugary cheap liqueur, moaned in submissive, masochistic-rebellious
abandon:
> But, the dictatorial way he [Dio] phrases his fixed
MystTrek
>Ronnie bought the best out in Sabbath.
That's funny. According to Bill Ward he felt like it was the end of Sabbath
and that the magic was gone.
Chris Oberst
Crawford Lee Seals wrote:
> Second, and I really hesitate to bring this up, but I've been forced into a
> corner. For those of you who would like to see it, I have in my possession
> an online receipt for an inflatable John Holmes doll and an expanding
> electric butt-plug ordered by none other than the Rad Man himself from a
> store called The Closet (any Zappa fans catch this one?).
I heard it looks just like a Telefunken U-47...with leather. :)
Christopher Oberst
Chris Oberst
> Well, it's Friday night, and I, Raddion have been experimenting with different
> combinations of imported beer and Yukon Jack. And thinking..... I just read in
> a recent 'rock magazine' that Rob Halford is gay. Call me ignorant, but I never
> knew this! (by the way, I consider Judas Priest to be a phenomenal heavy metal
> band) So Rob Halford's being gay doesn't affect the way I feel about Judas
> Priest, because I don't discriminate against anybody but assholes. But it did
> get me to thinking.... if Rob 'Harley Davidson' Halford can be gay, ANYBODY can
> be gay.... by coincidence, I have been reflecting recently on Dio and his
> onstage mannerisms, and his lacey costumes..... nah, never mind!!!
> RADDION
If Ronnie is gay, I'm sure his longtime wife (and manager) Wendy would be shocked
to learn about it....
Christopher Oberst
Jonathan Cornick
still manager, but ex-wife for quite some time I believe.
Jonathan
moonflower
Gee, sister Nirak, isn't every woman entitled to indulge her personal
needs when she's going to have her periods;-)?
Medusa
moonflower
Then my dear Crawdad, I feel relieved (not that I want to see your name
abused for some reprehensible political purpose:-). I was afraid I had
to take classes in Usenet telepathy;-)
Medusa
moonflower
> Ok, FINE!!! I'm not going to goof around like that anymore! Nothing but family
> oriented material from Raddion from now on.... I think the new live album will
> be wonderful I sure am looking forward to it, gee, I wish all the singers could
> have been on it.
Oh come on Raddion, no need to feel guilty. Many of us are subject to
accesses of temporary naughtiness. I think being good all the time can
become frustrating once in a while.
Medusa
Crawford Lee Seals
Chris Oberst wrote in message <36115CC8...@nlpc.org>...
You da man!!! Sheeeesh, I was waiting for someone to recognize this silly
reference from Zappa's greatest work, "Joe's Garage".
Crawdad
Crawford Lee Seals
MystTrek wrote in message <19980929150811...@ng70.aol.com>...
.....and, according to Bill, he can't even REMEMBER that period. Not just
bits and pieces of it ---- the whole damned thing!!!! I'm not kidding.
Perhaps the magic was gone because Bill was damn near dead. He was in the
throes of alcohol/drug addiction and was not even able to finish that tour
(H&H). In short, Bill was a friggin' mess at this time (and for many years
later) and perhaps not the best source for one to build their opinions
around. I don't think Bill sobered up to any measurable degree until the
early 90's.
Crawdad
MMyers666X
has anyone else found it impossible to follow this thread?
"The World Is Full Of Kings And Queens,Who Blind Your Eyes Then Steal Your
Dreams,It's Heaven And Hell!"
Crawford Lee Seals
MystTrek wrote in message <19980929202020...@ng98.aol.com>...
>
>>. In short, Bill was a friggin' mess at this time (and for many years
>>later) and perhaps not the best source for one to build their opinions
>>around. I don't think Bill sobered up to any measurable degree until the
>>early 90's.
>
I thought your point that was that Sabbath had essentially lost their "vibe"
after Ozzy left and that you were using Bill to support this proposition.
Crawdad
Crawford Lee Seals
Raddion wrote in message <19980929222141...@ng64.aol.com>...
>
>>
>>>. In short, Bill was a friggin' mess at this time (and for many years
>>>later) and perhaps not the best source for one to build their opinions
>>>around. I don't think Bill sobered up to any measurable degree until the
>>>early 90's.
>>
>>Right. So how could he have been his best at the time? Which was my
point.
>>
>>
>>
> Raddion
Awesome? Certainly, they were adequate, but in my ever so humble opinion,
it was a poor vehicle for his style and he was far from awesome ("awesome"
being a word I would reserve for somebody like the guy who played the old
man in "Hardbodies" or Pabst Blue Ribbon). Certainly, he had little shining
moments, but you could find a couple of shining moments with almost any
drummer who's ever recorded with Sabbath. I seriously doubt you could spin
this CD for a drummer who had never heard it, and get him/her to concur that
the drumming on this album is "awesome". I would reserve "awesome" for
something like "Volume 4" (the pinnacle of Ward's career), "Sabbath Bloody
Sabbath", or "Sabotage".
I'm not knocking Ward. Hell, he's probably my favorite drummer of all time.
However, I think that Born Again and H&H were albums that didn't suit his
style particularly well. Like I said, he has his moments on both, but if
you had never heard the earlier albums, it would very, very, difficult to
fathom the depth of his talent from listening to these two albums alone.
Bill ain't a "metal" drummer. Metal drumming does have a real timekeeping
element to it. Ward can do it, but he doesn't *shine* at it. I think Vinny
Appice on Mob Rules was far, far better drummer than Ward was on H&H and BA.
This is due largely to the fact that Vinny is a METAL drummer by trade.
Ward isn't. For what was required on Mob Rules, Vinny just did a monster
job. If you ever get hold of any boots from either the H&H or Mob Rules
tours, you will see that Vinny's talent has never really been fully caught
on a studio recording. Both drummers are very good at what they do, but
they do very different things.
Raddion, ol' boy, please excuse my rambling on the separate legacies of Ward
and Appice. It's just I've got all these theories in my head......and crazy
ideas......and voices......
Crawdad
MystTrek
Raddion
Raddion
>
>still manager, but ex-wife for quite some time I believe.
>
>Jonathan
>
Does anyone know why they got divorced? Dio should write an autobiograpy and
clear the air....
Raddion
HittMann98
>Does anyone know why they got divorced? Dio should write an autobiograpy and
>clear the air....
What Air?? Dont you think if RJD had
problems in his family, he might want to
not air his dirty laundry. You know some
things are private.
Tommy Hittmann
DShezza
>If Ronnie is gay, I'm sure his longtime wife (and manager) Wendy would be
>shocked
>to learn about it....
should read ex-wife, RJD has taken up with a girlfriend and for some time now,
I believe.
DS
"Mind, Body, Heart & Soul...we've got Rock & Roll...and there's nothing they
can do"
DShezza
>Dio should write an autobiograpy and
>clear the air
wasn't he working on this a few years back? Supposedly, Mark Putterford was
writing this with RJD after he did the Phil Lynott book (The Rocker) but he
(MP) died...what's the status of RJD's book? Anyone know?
DShezza
>"awesome" being a word I would reserve for somebody like the guy who played
the old
>man in "Hardbodies" or Pabst Blue Ribbon
by that I take it you mean "full of awe" - I don't remember much about the
movie but I gather he was awe-struck by the babes. As for PBR, we are all awed
by how lousy it is? Well, I am...
>However, I think that Born Again and H&H were albums that didn't suit his
style particularly well.
I seem to remember the publicity campaign for H&H (which reminds me...see my
post about H&H tour program) where RJD (who did most of the talking whenever he
was in the band) was saying how happy they were with Martin Birch and that BW
had gotten the drum sound he always wanted, etc. I think very little of the
drums on H&H - they're not bad, just a bit reserved for what you'd expect from
earlier Sabbath.
>drumming does have a real timekeeping
>element to it. Ward can do it, but he doesn't *shine* at it.
as BW himself said (as quoted in An Oral History) - he doesn't "do" time, he
"does" feel...
>I think Vinny Appice on Mob Rules was far, far better drummer than Ward was on
H&H and BA.
I concur
Maciej
Jonathan Cornick wrote in message ...
>> If Ronnie is gay, I'm sure his longtime wife (and manager) Wendy would
>be shocked to learn about it....
>>
>
>still manager, but ex-wife for quite some time I believe.
Didn't Ronnie write a tune called Hell Wouldn't Take Her for the Strange
Highways album, and it was about her?? My guess is that his manager decided
to leave it off the CD.. :-)
Chris Oberst
DShezza wrote:
> >If Ronnie is gay, I'm sure his longtime wife (and manager) Wendy would be
> >shocked
> >to learn about it....
>
> should read ex-wife, RJD has taken up with a girlfriend and for some time now,
> I believe.
That must make for some interesting conversations between Ronnie and his
management. :)
It brings to mind the old axiom that you should never be in business with your
spouse.
Christopher Oberst
Chris Oberst
Crawford Lee Seals wrote:
Lately, I have come to believe that the Laether album is Frank's masterpiece.
But Joe's Garage will always be my sentimental favorite, since that was the
first FZ album I ever heard.
Christopher Oberst
Crawford Lee Seals
Raddion wrote in message <19980930210157...@ng114.aol.com>...
>
>>
>>>I think Vinny Appice on Mob Rules was far, far better drummer than Ward
was
>>on
>>H&H and BA.
>>
>>I concur
>>
>>DS
>
>chopped off his arms and held the drumsticks in his mouth, like that guy
from
>Def Leppard.
> RADDION
Damnit sucka, yank dat Yukon Jack outta yo mouth before I haffta put the
smack down on yo ass Dre-style. BTW, I bought a bottle of So-Co 100 proof
yesterday. Go purchase a bottle and do a taste test for me.
Anyway, back to the post: I'm not arguing the merits of their respective
skills. Man, you gotta admit, Ward ain't spectacular on H&H or BA. I mean
if you'd never heard that album, if you'd never heard Ward, and somebody
played you those albums you wouldn't be raving about the drums. Bev Bevan
could have done exactly what Ward did on those albums. This ain't Ward's
fault. You work with what you're given. Ward was given the job of a time
keeper on a no-frills metal album. That's like giving Picasso a can of
spray paint. On the other hand, because Vinny is a very skilled METAL
drummer, his drumming on Mob Rules really does stand out (***especially***
on the boots from the MR tour). To bring my analogy full circle, Vinny's
like the urban kid who's great with spray paint. For what he does, he's
exceptional at it. And let's face it: Vinny wasn't given anymore space than
Ward was on H&H and BA. Vinny simply makes what could be boring very
interesting because he is so versed in that particular style. Ward isn't.
IMO, Vinny just drums circles around metal drummers like Cozy and Eric
Singer.
Raddion, don't make me come up there.
Crawdad
Crawford Lee Seals
HittMann98 wrote in message <19980930235005...@ng104.aol.com>...
>
>>
>>I de-cur. Vinnie Appicice couldn't hold a candle to Bill Ward even if Bill
>>chopped off his arms and held the drumsticks in his mouth, like that guy
from
>>Def Leppard.
>
>hold a candle to BW man you have got to
>be kidding. I really think you need to
>expand your knowledge of music.
>
>
> Tommy Hittmann
Oh no, not this argument again!!!!!!! OK, OK, I submit. I'm crying
"uncle". I don't know jack. Bill Bruford rules.
Crawdad
Raddion
>>For a mess, his drums on Born Again sounded awesome. Didn't they? Hmm?
>> Raddion
>
>
>it was a poor vehicle for his style and he was far from awesome
>
that he *was* awesome. I do really like the drum sound on Born Again. Bill was
supposedly so fucked up at the time, I wonder if it was even his drum kit! But
on 2nd listen, I guess I see your point. But half of the songs suck on Born
Again, so Bill wouldn't have had much to work with even if he was fully charged
up. But I thought he was creative on Disturbing The Priest, and Born Again, and
really heavy on Zero The Hero. Digital Bitch, Hot Line, Keep It Warm were Deep
Purple sounding crapola.
>
> I would reserve "awesome" for
>something like "Volume 4" (the pinnacle of Ward's career), "Sabbath Bloody
>Sabbath", or "Sabotage".
>
I mean, chili bean?
>>
>Raddion, ol' boy, please excuse my rambling on the separate legacies of Ward
>and Appice. It's just I've got all these theories in my head......and crazy
>ideas......and voices......
>
are Psycho Men!!!!
RADDION
Raddion
>
>>I think Vinny Appice on Mob Rules was far, far better drummer than Ward was
>on
>H&H and BA.
>
>I concur
>
>DS
I de-cur. Vinnie Appicice couldn't hold a candle to Bill Ward even if Bill
chopped off his arms and held the drumsticks in his mouth, like that guy from
Def Leppard.
RADDION
HittMann98
>
>I de-cur. Vinnie Appicice couldn't hold a candle to Bill Ward even if Bill
>chopped off his arms and held the drumsticks in his mouth, like that guy from
>Def Leppard.
I just dont get this. Vinny Appice couldn't
HittMann98
>Vinny just drums circles around metal drummers like Cozy and Eric
>Singer.
Vinny drums circles around metal druumers
like Cozy and ES. Cozy was not a metal
druumer. Vinny is a good drummer, not
as good as his older brother Carmine.
Cozy was among the top ROCK drummers
to sit behind a kit. Eric is a solid drummer.
Tommy Hittmann
HittMann98
>But I thought he was creative on Disturbing The Priest, and Born Again, and
>really heavy on Zero The Hero. Digital Bitch, Hot Line, Keep It Warm were
>Deep
>Purple sounding crapola.
How the hell can you say something like
Deep Purple sounding crapola. Pal,
it seems you dont know music, you dont
have a clue about what it takes to write, arrange, record, mix, and master a
song.
Deep Puple crapola, man that is such
bullshit it is not funny.
If it was not for Deep Purple, heavy, hard rock would not be what it is today.
Same goes for Sabbath, they changed a lot
about music. Come on wake up!!!!!!!
Same people just dont have a clue.
Tommy Hittmann
DShezza
>Digital Bitch, Hot Line, Keep It Warm were Deep Purple sounding crapola.
sorry to disagree with you here, Mr Sabbath...but there is no such thing as
"Deep Purple..crapola" and, furthermore, I don't think (beyond the obvious
Gillan link) those tracks could be confused with anything DP has done. Sorry.
I love Sabbath plenty and loved the Born Again era (more for live show than the
album) but DP is in a class by itself - far more polished than BS (which makes
BS cooler than DP in the raw metal sense, to be fair)
DShezza
>>I concur
>>
>>DS
>
>I de-cur. Vinnie Appicice couldn't hold a candle to Bill Ward even if Bill
>chopped off his arms and held the drumsticks in his mouth, like that guy from
>Def Leppard.
>
I re-cur. It was stated, clearly I thought, that VA was a METAL drummer and
BW was (I suppose) a progressive, uncharted musical territory type drummer.
Given that, and the albums in question and the musical style on those albums,
VA was appropriate and BW was a fish somewhat out of water. It wasn't a VA vs
BW, assessment of their historical impact on music or uniqueness type of
comparison.
DShezza
> Vinny is a very skilled METAL
>drummer, his drumming on Mob Rules really does stand out (***especially***
>on the boots from the MR tour)
I hear that...I have seen VA many times but my recollection of the MR tour is
that he was phenomenal, whereas he was just another drummer to me on the H&H
tour...come to think of it, the whole band sucked (at the show I saw) in 1980,
but were smokin' in 1982.
Robert De Mellier
Bob D
BULLY ! - Theodore Roosevelt 1910
Raddion
>How the hell can you say something like
Deep Purple sounding crapola. Pal,
>it seems you dont know music, you dont
have a clue about what it takes to write, >arrange, record, mix, and master a
song.
>Deep Puple crapola, man that is such
bullshit it is not funny.
>If it was not for Deep Purple, heavy, hard rock would not be what it is today.
>Same goes for Sabbath, they changed a lot
about music. Come on wake up!!!!!!!
>Same people just dont have a clue Tommy Hittmann
AND:
>
>sorry to disagree with you here, Mr Sabbath...but there is no such thing as
>"Deep Purple..crapola" and, furthermore, I don't think (beyond the obvious
>Gillan link) those tracks could be confused with anything DP has done.
>Sorry.
>I love Sabbath plenty and loved the Born Again era (more for live show than
>the
>album) but DP is in a class by itself - far more polished than BS (which
>makes
>BS cooler than DP in the raw metal sense, to be fair)
>
I don't know, I guess this forum has become like a White House press
conference, where you have to watch every word you say, so you are politically
correct at all times. How about if I changed that to read "Ian Gillan crapola"?
No? Still too strong? How about just plain crapola? Oops, did I offend someone
who's just a little constipated? And my name is Raddion, not "pal", or "Mr.
Sabbath" (although I wonder if that screen name is taken!). I realize that, no
matter what I say, if it's not what I'm supposed to say then I will get reamed
out by certain people. I have to do what I have to do, you know? To me, Deep
Purple were just ok, can't you deal with that guys? Why does that make me
ignorant, or "clueless"? Sabbath had a clear focus, a uniform channeling of
energies by all 4 original members. Deep Purple, every other song in their
catalog would send my finger to the FF button. Ooh, kill him for saying that!!!
I don't like "rock", I like "heavy rock", and I like my guitar straight up
pretty much, not constantly corrupted by the sound of an outdated synthesizer
(yeah, I know, I don't have a clue). Hey maybe I would like it better if I
"knew what it takes to write, arrange, record, mix and master a song". First of
all, you have no idea of my expertise in these areas, which is sufficient.
Second, what does that have to do with knowing what you like in regards to
music? It would seem to me that you are the one who doesn't have a clue. Now go
mix something, you giant in the music world!
RADDION
jim.mo...@montego.com
myst...@aol.com (MystTrek) wrote:
>
> >Ronnie bought the best out in Sabbath.
>
> That's funny. According to Bill Ward he felt like it was the end of Sabbath
> and that the magic was gone.
>
I think Ward was right in a way, and the original poster was right in a way.
It all depends on what you think of the music and lyrics (especially) in the
Dio-era Sabbath. It certainly isn't like the Ozzy era, and while I
personally prefer the Ozzy era, this might be kind of unfair, since Ozzy had
a good 10 years (and about 8 albums) or so with Sabbath whereas Dio only has
three albums, broken up by nearly a decade, and a few years with Sabbath.
I was under the impression that Ward's objections towards Dio had more to do
with his lyrics (I remember him saying, "Listen to a song like "Lady Evil" -
that's NOT us!") than with the actual music of the band.
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Robert De Mellier
were Deep
Purple sounding crapola.
does DTP, BA and ZTH sound anything like what you call Deep Purple
sounding crapola? Too me it's a step back toward the gloom and doom
sound of 1970 / 71 that made Black Sabbath famous in the first place!
Yes, Ian was in Deep Purple at that time and they where popular at that
time also but Born Again does'nt sound like anything Deep Purple had
ever done! I think you sould listion too both before commenting because
I don't see any simularity between the two except Ian's voice. The
lyrics and the music are totally different!
Robert De Mellier
for Deep Purple, Heavy Metal and Kick ass Rock' N ' Roll would'nt be
what it is today! Just wait, one of these days Deep Purple will get the
credit they deserve like the blues singers of the 50's are getting now
and people like you will look like fools!
Purple Still Rocks this day! God Bless MR's
Gillan,Glover,Lord,Paice,Blackmore,Morse,Bolin,Coverdale,Hughes,Evens
and Simper.
Bob D
======================================But I thought he was creative on
Disturbing The Priest, and Born Again, and really heavy on Zero The
Hero. Digital Bitch, Hot Line, Keep It Warm were Deep
Purple sounding crapola.
======================================
How the hell can you say something like
Deep Purple sounding crapola. Pal,
it seems you dont know music, you dont
have a clue about what it takes to write, arrange, record, mix, and
master a song.
Deep Puple crapola, man that is such
bullshit it is not funny.
If it was not for Deep Purple, heavy, hard rock would not be what it is
today. Same goes for Sabbath, they changed a lot
about music. Come on wake up!!!!!!!
Some people just dont have a clue.
Tommy
Hittmann
Crawford Lee Seals
HittMann98 wrote in message <19980930235409...@ng104.aol.com>...
OK Hittman, thanks for the history lesson. Once again, you're right, I'm
wrong. There. Everybody happy now? To believe that I had the NERVE to
call Cozy a metal drummer when all he did was play for Rainbow (early
metal), Michael Schenker Group (metal), Sabbbath (metal), Yngwie Malmsteen
(metal), and generally spent his whole life playing boring drums for metal
bands. Man, I'm sorry. What else can I say?
Crawdad
Crawford Lee Seals
HittMann98 wrote in message <19981001000216...@ng104.aol.com>...
>you dont
>have a clue about what it takes to write, arrange, record, mix, and master
a
>song.
>Come on wake up!!!!!!!
>
>Same people just dont have a clue.
Hittman, thy name is arrogance.
Crawdad
Crawford Lee Seals
Raddion wrote in message <19981001071006...@ng97.aol.com>...
>
>
>>How the hell can you say something like
>Deep Purple sounding crapola. Pal,
>have a clue about what it takes to write, >arrange, record, mix, and master
a
>song.
>bullshit it is not funny.
>>If it was not for Deep Purple, heavy, hard rock would not be what it is
today.
>>Same goes for Sabbath, they changed a lot
where divergent opinions didn't send people into a childish tizzy and get
their panties all in a wad. You have simply been confronted by rude and
arrogant people who think their OPINION is more valid than your own. It's
so fucking juvenile to have these musical sacred cows that would actually
allow someone to get UPSET about an opinion counter to their own. It's
like trying to explain to someone you don't like carrots and having them
respond that you have no concept of vegetables. It is pure arrogance and
makes for a shittier NG. Man, if you've got an opinion how 'bout just
saying something "man, Raddion, I see what you're saying, but you have you
listened to _______ on the _______ album, etc, etc, etc."
IT'S CALLED TACT ---- SOMETHING EVERYONE'S MOMMA SHOULD'VE TAUGHT THEM BY
NOW. Disagree, just do it *nicely*. This place can be a really cool place
(like it used to be) or it can be another ridiculous alt.music.van-halen
where everybody gets upset and accusations of ignorance fly rampant.
Apparently, civility and a sense of humor are just too much to ask for
around here.
Crawdad
DShezza
>, so you are politically correct at all times.
For the record, I've got no problem with your opinion - I was just strongly
disagreeing. I think the tone of my post was completely different from
Hitmann's...I only called you "Mr. Sabbath" b/c I know what a mega-fan you are,
I meant no insult, actually (sort of from the perspective that you're so far
into Sabbath, you don't see the Purple clearly...it made sense at the time...or
was it the Labatt's?). Upon re-reading, I can see it looks a bit snide.
> How about if I changed that to read "Ian Gillan crapola"?
a much better, more accurate criticism IMO, although Gillan (the band) also had
a somewhat different sound and the Ian Gillan Band is from another planet, one
I hope never to visit.
>Oops, did I offend someone who's just a little constipated?
I am a "regular" guy, thanks. If you think those songs are crap, that's fine.
I just don't see any similarily b/t them and DP.
>To me, Deep Purple were just ok, can't you deal with that guys? Why does that
make me
ignorant, or "clueless"?
I can deal with it, have dealt with it before with others...the only "ignorant"
thing (and I'm not stressing the point) is to say something so far afield from
DP as those tracks is "DP crapola."
>I like my guitar straight up pretty much, not constantly corrupted by the
sound of an outdated synthesizer (yeah, I know, I don't have a clue).
Hammond organ = outdated synthesizer? Maybe you don't...to each his own..
HittMann98
>I realize that, no
>matter what I say, if it's not what I'm supposed to say then I will get
>reamed
>Purple were just ok, can't you deal with that guys? Why does that make me
>energies by all 4 original members. Deep Purple, every other song in their
>catalog would send my finger to the FF button. Ooh, kill him for saying
>that!!!
>pretty much, not constantly corrupted by the sound of an outdated synthesizer
>"knew what it takes to write, arrange, record, mix and master a song". First
>of
>all, you have no idea of my expertise in these areas, which is sufficient.
>Second, what does that have to do with knowing what you like in regards to
>music? It would seem to me that you are the one who doesn't have a clue. Now
>go
>mix something, you giant in the music world!
> RADDION
>
>
Look, I have no problem with your views
on Bill Ward, or Black Sabbath. I do know
this, Mr Sabbath, every song DP has ever
recorded you would use the FF button.
Lets get real here.
You didnt even know who Ian Paice, Neil
Peart are?? Deep Purple are not a outdated
synthesizer band this shows you have no
idea what their music sounds like.
Jon Lord used a synthesizer on I think
3 tracks in the whole history of the band.
The bands sound is made up of a heavy hammond b-3 and c-3 , piano and electric
piano.
If a band is not your style, that is cool.
But you have to give credit where credit
is due. Being heavily into certain lineups
of BS is fine, it is your taste.
Saying I like BW the best is cool.
But you have to give credit again where
credit is due.
I am not trying to say what I say is fact, because it is not.
To me DP are it, and always have been.
I dont compare Sabbath to Purple.
But I give credit where credit is due.
I really liked Tony Martin, and almost
all the Sabbath lineups. I think Dio was
excellent with Saabth, and Ozzy is Ozzy.
I think IG being with Sabbath was a mistake,
for both parties. Does that mean Born Again was a crappy album, HELL NO!!!!!
Strange maybe.
Tommy Hittmann
Tommy Hittmann
P.S.
I never claimed to be a total expert on all
music, and to each his own, but at least
have some info. on a band when you make
a statement.
DShezza
>where divergent opinions didn't send people into a childish tizzy and get
their panties all in a wad. You have simply been confronted by rude and
arrogant people who think their OPINION is more valid than your own
No childish tizzy, no panties in a wad here (to be honest, I don't wear them).
I think you're off the mark with your accusations here. Neither am I rude, nor
arrogant but, of course, I think my opinion is more valid than anyone elses (to
me, of course - who doesn't?)...on the other hand, I've changed my opinion many
times on the basis of information or viewpoints offered by others. Read my
rebuttal to Raddion's grouping of my post with Hitmann's...
> It's so fucking juvenile to have these musical sacred cows that would
actually allow someone to get UPSET about an opinion counter to their own.
No one (here) got upset, except perhaps now at your misinterpretation of my
remarks...since I'm now grouped in with the far more (shall we say) "direct"
Hitmann post, I have to assume I'm the "juvenile" "sacred cow" defender. The
original opinion, it seemed to me at the time, was off the mark in terms of
grouping Sabbath & Purple together - I see them in different classes altogether
and by that I don't mean one is superior necessarily...which should be clear
from my post.
>It is pure arrogance
I think your summary dismissal of my intent and character betrays a bit of
arrogance as well.
>IT'S CALLED TACT ---- SOMETHING EVERYONE'S MOMMA SHOULD'VE TAUGHT THEM BY NOW.
I'm glad you highlighted this little piece of self-righteous family
values....but it doesn't apply to my involvement in this thread. For one
thing, I think you should leave people's mother's out of the discussion, it
makes for more civility, which you claim to champion. And, if you want to
tread the moral high ground, you might start by not swearing, right?
>accusations of ignorance fly rampant.
well, I thought my post was more to the tune of "look again" than "hey, idiot"
but, I will admit, I got the feeling that Raddion (who seems to know his stuff
on the Sabbath side) wasn't too well versed in Purple to think anything on Born
Again sounds like DP. Then again, he doesn't like DP and can't be expected to
be that familiar with their work. But, if you post a comment, you have to
defend it - isn't that how these newsgroups work (except for the VH one, I
agree)?
>Apparently, civility and a sense of humor are just too much to ask for around
here.
Not from me and, I hope, not from you. I don't speak for anyone but myself.
As for humor, we could all use a bit more of that...Sabbath & humor, now
there's a thread - well, not much humor on the surface IMO...I mean, Iommi
signing "Adolf Hitler" on someone's CD, some might find humorous...other's
might (Heaven forbid) disagree...
HittMann98
>Man Raddion, how times have changed. This really used to be a cool place
>their panties all in a wad. You have simply been confronted by rude and
>so fucking juvenile to have these musical sacred cows that would actually
>like trying to explain to someone you don't like carrots and having them
>respond that you have no concept of vegetables. It is pure arrogance and
>makes for a shittier NG. Man, if you've got an opinion how 'bout just
>saying something "man, Raddion, I see what you're saying, but you have you
>listened to _______ on the _______ album, etc, etc, etc."
>
>(like it used to be) or it can be another ridiculous alt.music.van-halen
>Apparently, civility and a sense of humor are just too much to ask for
>around here.
>
>
>
>
>
Look Crawdad, I am not saying my views
are word because they are not, and never
have been. I like to explore and read
different views.
The only thing I have a problem with is
knocking a band that does not deserve to
be knocked. I have been a big DP
supporter since 1970. I am also a very
big BS supporter. I always give credit
where credit is due.
I just have have a hard time when someones
who does not really know the work or sound of a band says they are crap.
I have spent almost my entire life, around music, first a player, and know a
engineer/
producer/mixer. My word is not by any means
LAW.
I do have a great knowledge of music.
Hard rock has been my personel favorite
type of music. Does that mean I know every
little thing, no it does not. I do know talent
when I here it. DP is talent.
Sometimes things just dont make sense.
You have to give credit where credit
is due.
Tommy Hittmann
HittMann98
>OK Hittman, thanks for the history lesson. Once again, you're right, I'm
>wrong. There. Everybody happy now? To believe that I had the NERVE to
>call Cozy a metal drummer when all he did was play for Rainbow (early
>metal), Michael Schenker Group (metal), Sabbbath (metal), Yngwie Malmsteen
>(metal), and generally spent his whole life playing boring drums for metal
>bands. Man, I'm sorry. What else can I say?
>
>Crawdad
>
>
I did not say I was right. Cozy was first
a fusion drummer (Bellham, Jeff Beck)
Then Rainbow, metal, I remeber Ritchie
Blackmore saying they were always hard
rock. MSG, hard rock. Whitesnake,
blues rock. ELP. Yngwie, hard rock. I didnt say you were wrong,
Craw. Cozy, was great hard
rock drummer. I never thought anyone
who could play the 1812 Overture live and
on tape was a metal drummer.
Tommy Hittmann
HittMann98
>Oh no, not this argument again!!!!!!! OK, OK, I submit. I'm crying
>"uncle". I don't know jack. Bill Bruford rules.
>
>
Look, No one is even talking about BB.
Does anyone give credit where credit is due.
I just dont get it. If someone is good, dont they
deserve the credit.
Tommy Hittmann
Crawford Lee Seals
DShezza wrote in message <19981001151435...@ng81.aol.com>...
>
>>where divergent opinions didn't send people into a childish tizzy and get
>their panties all in a wad. You have simply been confronted by rude and
>
>No childish tizzy, no panties in a wad here (to be honest, I don't wear
them).
>I think you're off the mark with your accusations here. Neither am I rude,
nor
>arrogant but, of course, I think my opinion is more valid than anyone elses
(to
>me, of course - who doesn't?)...on the other hand, I've changed my opinion
many
>times on the basis of information or viewpoints offered by others. Read my
>rebuttal to Raddion's grouping of my post with Hitmann's...
>
>actually allow someone to get UPSET about an opinion counter to their own.
>
>remarks...since I'm now grouped in with the far more (shall we say)
"direct"
>Hitmann post, I have to assume I'm the "juvenile" "sacred cow" defender.
The
>original opinion, it seemed to me at the time, was off the mark in terms of
>grouping Sabbath & Purple together - I see them in different classes
altogether
>and by that I don't mean one is superior necessarily...which should be
clear
>from my post.
>
>>It is pure arrogance
>
>I think your summary dismissal of my intent and character betrays a bit of
>arrogance as well.
>
NOW.
>
>values....but it doesn't apply to my involvement in this thread. For one
>thing, I think you should leave people's mother's out of the discussion, it
>makes for more civility, which you claim to champion. And, if you want to
>tread the moral high ground, you might start by not swearing, right?
>
>
idiot"
>but, I will admit, I got the feeling that Raddion (who seems to know his
stuff
>on the Sabbath side) wasn't too well versed in Purple to think anything on
Born
>Again sounds like DP. Then again, he doesn't like DP and can't be expected
to
>be that familiar with their work. But, if you post a comment, you have to
>defend it - isn't that how these newsgroups work (except for the VH one, I
>agree)?
>
around
>here.
>
myself.
>As for humor, we could all use a bit more of that...Sabbath & humor, now
>there's a thread - well, not much humor on the surface IMO...I mean, Iommi
>signing "Adolf Hitler" on someone's CD, some might find humorous...other's
>might (Heaven forbid) disagree...
>
>DS
>
>"Mind, Body, Heart & Soul...we've got Rock & Roll...and there's nothing
they
>can do"
To be honest, it was directed much more to the Hittman than yourself. I
suppose you just got caught in the crossfire. When I had written that
statement, I had not understood that your "Mr. Sabbath" statement was in
jest, as it was one of a few statements that almost seemed to get angry at
Raddion's post. I suppose that when taken in context of the other two
posts, it simply looked like you were grouping yourself with less tactful
individuals. I certainly apologize for any mischaracterization that I might
have done. I guess sometimes I just get a little disheartened in my travels
throughout cyberspace because almost all forums of debate (ie, newsgroups)
degenerate into this type of behavior at one point or another. The thing
that gets me is that it is TOTALLY preventable. 100% of the time, in my
experience, it is caused by someone getting upset with someone else's
subjective opinion. It doesn't need to be that way ---- especially here,
where we have a pretty impressive record of civility and high degree of
intellect. Disagree all day long, but you don't have to make someone feel
stupid in order to do it. Man, I'd bet you money that if Raddion and
Hittman sat next to each other at a Sabbath show, they would get along
smashingly. It's hard enough to find: a) a fan of hard rock, and b) a fan
of Sabbath. It's like an exclusive club. We are all spokes in the Wheel of
Confusion (pretty profound, huh?).
The Hittman is very opinionated and fancies himself quite knowledgeable in
the realm of music. I'm sure he is well travelled in that respect. I
simply think that any divergent opinions don't have to be stated in such a
condescending manner. Perhaps that isn't his intention, but it comes across
like that every single time. I think telling someone to "get a clue" is
pretty, well, rude.
Anyway, hey, I'm sorry. I've certainly got no bone to pick with you. I
don't want to pick this mysterious bone with the Hittman either. I guess it
just seemed like that pathetic, pat-lovin' Raddion was getting picked on,
and as a fellow born-in-the-60's alt.music.b-s veteran I stuck up for him.
Damnit, this is the LAST time. Next time, I'm jumping in and throwing a few
kicks of my own!!! Go Cowboys!!!
Crawdad
Crawford Lee Seals
HittMann98 wrote in message <19981001152639...@ng101.aol.com>...
>
>>Man Raddion, how times have changed. This really used to be a cool
place
>>their panties all in a wad. You have simply been confronted by rude and
>>so fucking juvenile to have these musical sacred cows that would actually
>>like trying to explain to someone you don't like carrots and having them
>>respond that you have no concept of vegetables. It is pure arrogance and
>>makes for a shittier NG. Man, if you've got an opinion how 'bout just
>>saying something "man, Raddion, I see what you're saying, but you have you
>>listened to _______ on the _______ album, etc, etc, etc."
>>
place
>>(like it used to be) or it can be another ridiculous alt.music.van-halen
>>Apparently, civility and a sense of humor are just too much to ask for
>>around here.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Look Crawdad, I am not saying my views
>are word because they are not, and never
>have been. I like to explore and read
>different views.
>
>The only thing I have a problem with is
>knocking a band that does not deserve to
>be knocked. I have been a big DP
>supporter since 1970. I am also a very
>where credit is due.
>
>I just have have a hard time when someones
>who does not really know the work or sound of a band says they are crap.
>
>I have spent almost my entire life, around music, first a player, and know
a
>engineer/
>producer/mixer. My word is not by any means
>LAW.
>
>I do have a great knowledge of music.
>Hard rock has been my personel favorite
>type of music. Does that mean I know every
>little thing, no it does not. I do know talent
>when I here it. DP is talent.
>
>Sometimes things just dont make sense.
>is due.
> Tommy Hittmann
Tommy I understand your point. I am only requesting this: for the sake of
the greater good, just be a little nicer about it. I know perhaps you
aren't trying to, but you come across as arrogant sometimes. You are very
opinionated and obviously well versed in your musical tastes. It is not
your views I have a problem with, it is only the manner in which you
present them. I think sometimes we have to jump on the grenade and bite our
tongues, even when we want to scream, because it means that tomorrow, when
things have blown over, we will have a nicer place to come to. You gotta
take one for the team every once in a while.
Now, with that said, I'd buy everyone a moonpie and a 40 of Olde English 800
if it were possible.
Crawdad
DShezza
>I guess it
>just seemed like that pathetic, pat-lovin' Raddion was getting picked on,
>and as a fellow born-in-the-60's alt.music.b-s veteran I stuck up for him.
Crawdad,
You are right about the behavior on newsgroups and it stemming from
opinion-bashing, for lack of a better term. I've been visiting this group
since March of 97 or so, posting on occasion, and I think it's well run for the
most part and I've learned a bit as well. I don't think Raddion is pathetic
but, hailing from Boston as I do, I think anyone who calls himself a Patriots
fan has suffered enough. Born in the 60's? I guess I'm in that club, too...
flashing the Ozzy peace sign (will it make a comeback on the reunion tour?)
Raddion
>N ' Roll would'nt be
>what it is today! Just wait, one of these days Deep Purple will get the
>credit they deserve like the blues singers of the 50's are getting now
>and people like you will look like fools!
Funny! Actually Sabbath is finally getting the recognition they deserve, and
that's the CLASSIC LINEUP I'm talking about, and people like me, longtime loyal
fans who always swore by the Ozzman, look like GENIUSES!!!
no fool,
RADDION
Arcanum Magicus
>Tommy I understand your point. I am only
>requesting this: for the sake of the greater good,
>just be a little nicer about it. I know perhaps you
>aren't trying to, but you come across as
>arrogant sometimes. You are very opinionated
>and obviously well versed in your musical
>tastes. It is not your views I have a problem
>with, it is only the manner in which you present
>them. I think sometimes we have to jump on the
>grenade and bite our tongues, even when we
>want to scream, because it means that
>tomorrow, when things have blown over, we will
>have a nicer place to come to. You gotta take
>one for the team every once in a while.
>Now, with that said, I'd buy everyone a moonpie
>and a 40 of Olde English 800 if it were possible.
>Crawdad
Crawdad, umm.. as long as you're offering, could you make mine a Bass
Ale on tap (no moonpie) and a small bag of crisps, please?
Suzanne
Raddion
Well, I just can't quote from 16 posts, I just can't do it. So I have a couple
things I'd like to say....
First of all, I want to apologize for starting the "Is Dio Gay" thread in the
first place. I thought it was a great idea at the time, but I was wrong. But
like Crawdad said, if everybody wouldn't be so quick to dismiss as heresy
someone elses point of view, even if it is a little radical, we could have a
lot of fun. Yeah, sometimes I say things, and nothing I say is a throwaway
statement, I can't type fast enough for that. So I knew damn well what I was
saying when I said "Deep Purple sounding crapola". And I wondered if anyone
would notice.... so anyway, apologies also to a couple of people, you know who
you are, and if Purple is your band, then you were right to defend them. But
please remember this is A.M.B.S., and Sabbath is top dog- at least to many of
us... A lot of thanks to a certain redneck who once again restored law and
order to a scene of total chaos. So what have we learned? 1: Dio is not gay,
but the hot rumor appears to be "possibly bi-sexual " 2: Raddion is hopelessly
doomed to an eternity of repeating E-chord riffs 3: dshezza (DS) can't choose
between Purple and Black, no matter what he says 3: Tommy The Hittman CAN
choose, and clearly has 3: Crawdad would like to take a shower with the Dallas
Cowboys...... no, this thread didn't suck, because we made it not suck. The
leaders of the Free World could take a few lessons from us, boys.... peace.
RADDION
Raddion
Oops, too late. Suck suck suck on the Yukon bottle! Uh-oh, I'm starting to get
homo-phobic again! (How you can drink the O'Douls of liquor is beyond me....
oh, I forgot you like Mob Rules....)
>Bev Bevan
>could have done exactly what Ward did on those albums.
>
(Clint Eastwood squint)... No, I.... no......no. You are diminishing the
abilities of Bill Ward, the King Of All Drummers, if Bev Bevan (a stupid name
for a drummer) played on Born Again, I would have blown it up with TYR. But the
hell with Born Again, anyway! Crawdad, wait until you hear these live cuts!!!
Bill Ward is back, he just has a telepathy with those guys that can't be
matched by the stronger and younger....
>Raddion, don't make me come up there.
>
>Crawdad
>
Well, somwhere in the middle of this reponce, the Yukon Jack may have kicked
in.... but if you come up here lookin for Raddion, you will leave a Yukon
drinkin, Patriot lovin, Ozzy-era-only Y.A.N.K.E.E.!!!!
Raddion
Crawford Lee Seals
>(Clint Eastwood squint)... No, I.... no......no. You are diminishing the
>abilities of Bill Ward, the King Of All Drummers, if Bev Bevan (a stupid
name
>for a drummer) played on Born Again, I would have blown it up with TYR. But
the
>hell with Born Again, anyway! Crawdad, wait until you hear these live
cuts!!!
>Bill Ward is back, he just has a telepathy with those guys that can't be
>matched by the stronger and younger....
Agreed. Color me a Bill Ward fanatic.
>Well, somwhere in the middle of this reponce, the Yukon Jack may have
kicked
>in.... but if you come up here lookin for Raddion, you will leave a Yukon
>drinkin, Patriot lovin, Ozzy-era-only Y.A.N.K.E.E.!!!!
> Raddion
I can't. It's against my religion. If I did such a thing, I really don't
think I could salute the Confederate flag or beat up my ol' lady with any
sense of self-respect. You understand.
Crawdad
Jason Fifer
than Burn is. Why? Because Ian has more Deep Purple in him more than
David Coverdale. Just like Ozzy has more Sabbath in him than Dio. IMO
vocals is the most signifgant part of a band. That is what sets bands
apart from others with simmilar styles & gives it flavor along with the
lyrics.
Raddion
>
>Look, No one is even talking about BB.
>Does anyone give credit where credit is due.
>I just dont get it. If someone is good, dont they
>deserve the credit.
>
> Tommy Hittmann
>
>
just can't pick up on the subtle things in life.... it's time to give up on
him.
RADDION
DShezza
> dshezza (DS) can't choose
>between Purple and Black, no matter what he says
hmmm, I guess this would be a tough choice after all these years of dedication
to both causes and seeking out imports, bootlegs, and concert tickets through
thick and thin. Where I come from in Massachusetts, Sabbath was second only to
Zeppelin but Purple were always the darkhorse - they weren't even a band while
I was growing up. So I championed them against all odds and they say absence
makes the heart grow fonder. I have seen various incarnations of BS (I missed,
on purpose the Glenn Hughes-fronted show in 86) but never the original - so
1999 will bring it full circle for me, I hope. As for DP vs BS, I think they
appeal to different parts of the brain...I love both bands but, if pressed, I
think I'd have to go with Purple...
HittMann98
>Crawdad, this man is obviously from the planet Serious and proud of it.... he
>just can't pick up on the subtle things in life.... it's time to give up on
>him.
>
No, I happen to be from the planet,
Lets be real. Hey isnt it time for your
medacation??
Tommy Hittmann
HittMann98
>But I thought he was creative on Disturbing The Priest, and Born Again, and
>>really heavy on Zero The Hero. Digital Bitch, Hot Line, Keep It Warm were
>>Deep
>>Purple sounding crapola.
>
>
See it is things like this statement, that just
dont make sense to me. Where did any part
of Born Again, sound like anything DP ever
did?? Born Again was Black Sabbath with
Ian Gillan on vocals. A very dark, heavy,
gloomy album. If not for the bad recording,
and mix, this was pretty evil Sabbath.
But, this in no way sounded like anything
DP ever did. Sorry, if I got a little ticked
off, but it is statements like that give the big
2 a bad name. The big 2 are DP & BS,
or for most people here BS & DP.
I dont think anything DP put out was
crap. Quality music, with some great riffs,
some great solos and some great vocals.
Please give credit where credit is due.
Tommy Hittmann
Raddion
I think it is cool that people from so many different parts of the world, so
many different cultures and Nationalities can agree on one thing: that Sabbath
is the best thing going in music! Yankee, Rebel, Brummie, Surfer Dude, Foxy
Female whatever, we all agree that Sabbath is the best thing going in music!
Hey, I said that twice! Damn that Yukon Juck.....
RADDION
Adam Boecher
Black Sabbath ain't the best thisng, but they do kick dsome serious
fucking ass! Espaecially when they had OZZY! Dio is a there second best
singer. And to answer the thread title question. NO, YOU FUCKER!
Raddion
Makes sense to me, Jason! Actually, if you think of Born Again as a Deep Purple
album, it's really pretty good!!!!
RADDION
Raddion
It would be great if someone could put together a "Battle Of The Dinosaurs" to
settle this thing once and for all. But sadly, the real Led Zeppelin couldn't
be there, and apparently neither could the real Deep Purple; it is
unbelieveable that Sabbath is still standing (albeit shakily)!
Raddion
Raddion
>> The fragile MoonStone, having voluntarily strapped herself to her couch
>> and 'Heaven And Hell' to her CD player, meanwhile (accidentally?)
>> forgetting to place within arm's reach any food with which to temper her
>> hypoglycemia over the long...long night ahead, though not a fair amount
>> of sugary cheap liqueur, moaned in submissive, masochistic-rebellious
>> abandon:
>>
>> > But, the dictatorial way he [Dio] phrases his fixed
>> > voice can easily lead to a bad case of hypoglycemia which causes that
>> > trembling in one of my hands and an urge for something substantial to
>> > chew on even
>
>Gee, sister Nirak, isn't every woman entitled to indulge her personal
>needs when she's going to have her periods;-)?
>
>Medusa
>
>
Oh my God, did you listen to the WHOLE album? I hope that ungodly shrieking did
no permanent damage to your hearing!
HittMann98
>t would be great if someone could put together a "Battle Of The Dinosaurs" to
>settle this thing once and for all. But sadly, the real Led Zeppelin couldn't
>be there, and apparently neither could the real Deep Purple;
>it is
>unbelieveable that Sabbath is still standing (albeit shakily)
Yea, thats why Bill Wards body is falling
apart. Talk about a old dinosaur. DP
has put out excellent music with all the
lineups. They are still around and still
rock as hard as ever.
Tommy Hittmann