Holy Diver Article
fan_o...@my-deja.com
I think Karin is a FABULOUS writer and THAT is precisely why I chose her
for
this particular series.
I just cannot get enough of the woman's totally honest/bare to the bones
insight into Dio.
What does every one else think?
KEN
Diotech wrote in message ...
> Reading Karin Beks Holy Diver Review/Article it struck me that
> as a review it was overlong and at times Self-indulgent, but as
> an in-depth examination of the origins of Dio's persona it's
definitely
> a damn fine piece of work. That Karin even dares to question Dio's
person
> might come as a surprise to many, but with a profound respect for her
> previous work on Dio and Sabbath I must say "I saw it coming".
> I always saw Dio as "just" a person and I agree that such a strong
willed
> person must inevitable make some enemies and to some point have an
inner
> conflict whereas on the surface he seems in total control.
> Enough babble from the more or less illiterate Torben (Yes Sonia
that's
> how I see it).
> I can only urge you to read this great article by Karin Beks(Oh Boy
you're
> good with words) with some interesting twists here and there on the
Dio
> Debut album.
>
> -Torben- (longing for more)
>
> In The player Metal Church "Masterpeace"
>
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
> For every moment of truth, there's confusion in life
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
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<fan_o...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Torben,
> I think Karin is a FABULOUS writer and THAT is precisely why I chose her
> for
> this particular series.
> I just cannot get enough of the woman's totally honest/bare to the bones
> insight into Dio.
> What does every one else think?
> KEN
Jonathan keeps telling me to read it. He loved it. It's just
so....so....so damned long. Perhaps some tutoring in the now infamous
"outline form" might help those of use with short attention spans. I charge
$100 per hour. I think it's well worth it. It's working great for me. My
posts are as shallow and un-introspective as ever!
Crawdad
Jonathan
<supe...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> <fan_o...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:7m5h04$i37$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > Torben,
> > I think Karin is a FABULOUS writer and THAT is precisely why I chose her
> > for
> > this particular series.
> > I just cannot get enough of the woman's totally honest/bare to the bones
> > insight into Dio.
> > What does every one else think?
> > KEN
>
>
> Jonathan keeps telling me to read it. He loved it. It's just
> so....so....so damned long.
Well it took me ages to get through it. Mainly because I had to
have 3 browser windows open: article, on line dictionary and
on line thesaurus. Netscape kept crashing.
Maybe we could get Karin's sister Mechteld to write a parallel HD
review on why she doesn't like it next month. Then I'll
decide whether to buy it, I've never heard it to be honest;)
Jonathan
--
"The splendour of human life, I feel sure, is greater
to those who are not dazzled by the divine radiance."
Bertrand Russell
Crawford Lee Seals
Jonathan <corn...@NOSPAMosu.edu> wrote in message news:cornick.2-
> > Jonathan keeps telling me to read it. He loved it. It's just
> > so....so....so damned long.
>
> Well it took me ages to get through it. Mainly because I had to
> have 3 browser windows open: article, on line dictionary and
> on line thesaurus. Netscape kept crashing.
I used to have this same problem. I then downloaded Verbosity2000 version
2.1 to handle the strain that excessive use of adjectives and adverbs has on
my system. It bills itself as "the software of choice for the impatient
man".
> Maybe we could get Karin's sister Mechteld to write a parallel HD
> review on why she doesn't like it next month. Then I'll
> decide whether to buy it, I've never heard it to be honest;)
Would that crash Ken's server?
Crawdad
Nickolay Boytchev Stanev
> In article <7m5irb$g45$1...@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>, "Crawford Lee Seals"
> <supe...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > <fan_o...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:7m5h04$i37$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > Torben,
> > > I think Karin is a FABULOUS writer and THAT is precisely why I chose her
> > > for
> > > this particular series.
> > > I just cannot get enough of the woman's totally honest/bare to the bones
> > > insight into Dio.
> > > What does every one else think?
> > > KEN
> >
> >
> > Jonathan keeps telling me to read it. He loved it. It's just
> > so....so....so damned long.
>
> Well it took me ages to get through it. Mainly because I had to
> have 3 browser windows open: article, on line dictionary and
> on line thesaurus. Netscape kept crashing.
>
> Maybe we could get Karin's sister Mechteld to write a parallel HD
> review on why she doesn't like it next month. Then I'll
> decide whether to buy it, I've never heard it to be honest;)
You should buy it, to be honest...:)
NStanev
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Greg MacKin
>
> In article <7m5irb$g45$1...@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>, "Crawford Lee Seals"
> <supe...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > <fan_o...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:7m5h04$i37$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > Torben,
> > > I think Karin is a FABULOUS writer and THAT is precisely why I chose her
> > > for
> > > this particular series.
> > > I just cannot get enough of the woman's totally honest/bare to the bones
> > > insight into Dio.
> > > What does every one else think?
> > > KEN
> >
> >
> > Jonathan keeps telling me to read it. He loved it. It's just
> > so....so....so damned long.
>
> Well it took me ages to get through it. Mainly because I had to
> have 3 browser windows open: article, on line dictionary and
> on line thesaurus. Netscape kept crashing.
>
> Maybe we could get Karin's sister Mechteld to write a parallel HD
> review on why she doesn't like it next month. Then I'll
> decide whether to buy it, I've never heard it to be honest;)
>
>
> --
> "The splendour of human life, I feel sure, is greater
> to those who are not dazzled by the divine radiance."
> Bertrand Russell
SLEEPING VILLAGE
>In article <7m5irb$g45$1...@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>, "Crawford Lee Seals"
><supe...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> <fan_o...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>> news:7m5h04$i37$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> > Torben,
>> > I think Karin is a FABULOUS writer and THAT is precisely why I chose her
>> > for
>> > this particular series.
>> > I just cannot get enough of the woman's totally honest/bare to the bones
>> > insight into Dio.
>> > What does every one else think?
>> > KEN
>>
>>
>> Jonathan keeps telling me to read it. He loved it. It's just
>> so....so....so damned long.
>
>Well it took me ages to get through it. Mainly because I had to
>have 3 browser windows open: article, on line dictionary and
>on line thesaurus. Netscape kept crashing.
There are two stand up songs on it
Holy Diver which is nearly as great as anything Sabbath did.
Rainbow in the Dark.
Other than that i can't remember any songs really scratching my memory.
Listening to the tape you sent.
The quality is higher than that of the wav I was sent.
I'll have to do a transcription of this stuff now I guess.
I enjoy listening to it quite a lot while at the same time
being satisfied that Fenholt was never acknowledged by Iommi.
This seems to bear out that Fenholt's influence was minor at best
since not all vocal melodies were used and it seems the lyrics were scrapped also
though possibly some meters were kept.
In fact I don't even remember Iommi ever having said anything about him in print.
The Lita Ford stuff obviously is either Iommi or Iommi influenced, No I take that back.
It's Iommi no question.
This tape is not long enough to have a cd, but there are some other Iommi rarities that could
run with this to make The Iommi-nator cd.
I take it that your source is at least one generation better than the one you sent.
http://www.ssi.sony.com/blacksabbath/apparel.html Sabbath shirts
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Backstage/1303/index.html Since February 13, 1998 - SLEEPING VILLAGE
Updated remasters page 3-7-99
Can you help me occupy my brain? --Paranoid as sung on the Paranoid album.
Jonathan
slee...@onlinetoday.com (SLEEPING VILLAGE) wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 17:08:03 -0400, corn...@NOSPAMosu.edu (Jonathan) wrote:
> >
> >Well it took me ages to get through it. Mainly because I had to
> >have 3 browser windows open: article, on line dictionary and
> >on line thesaurus. Netscape kept crashing.
> There are two stand up songs on it
> Holy Diver which is nearly as great as anything Sabbath did.
> Rainbow in the Dark.
> Other than that i can't remember any songs really scratching my memory.
Well I lied, I have heard it though I don't own a copy right now. It's
a good album but not really a style of music that I care to listen to much
any more.
The song I really like is 'Shame on the Night' and I always liked
'Gypsy ' too. Rainbow in the Dark has the worst keyboard sound of
any song in the history of rock IMO.
> Listening to the tape you sent.
> The quality is higher than that of the wav I was sent.
> I'll have to do a transcription of this stuff now I guess.
> I enjoy listening to it quite a lot while at the same time
> being satisfied that Fenholt was never acknowledged by Iommi.
> This seems to bear out that Fenholt's influence was minor at best
> since not all vocal melodies were used and it seems the lyrics were
scrapped also
> though possibly some meters were kept.
>
> In fact I don't even remember Iommi ever having said anything about him
in print.
> The Lita Ford stuff obviously is either Iommi or Iommi influenced, No I
take that back.
> It's Iommi no question.
>
> This tape is not long enough to have a cd, but there are some other
Iommi rarities that could
> run with this to make The Iommi-nator cd.
>
> I take it that your source is at least one generation better than the
one you sent.
I believe that my copy is 3rd or 4th gen, and your copy is taped
from my only copy. I thought we were going to wait to discuss this
later?:) But I'm happy to go with it now, I've sent out 8-10 copies
and there seems to be a consensus that it is legit.
I guess we should make it a separate thread, so that
people know what we are talking about. I don't have the means to
make MP3s from tapes, but if anyone wants to transfer it to cdr I
can make MP3s from that and put clips on the web.
Crawford Lee Seals
Greg MacKin <gwma...@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:378791...@nb.sympatico.ca...
> Jonathan wrote:
> >
> > In article <7m5irb$g45$1...@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>, "Crawford Lee Seals"
> > <supe...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> > > <fan_o...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > > news:7m5h04$i37$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > > Torben,
> > > > I think Karin is a FABULOUS writer and THAT is precisely why I chose
her
> > > > for
> > > > this particular series.
> > > > I just cannot get enough of the woman's totally honest/bare to the
bones
> > > > insight into Dio.
> > > > What does every one else think?
> > > > KEN
> > >
> > >
> > > Jonathan keeps telling me to read it. He loved it. It's just
> > > so....so....so damned long.
> >
> > have 3 browser windows open: article, on line dictionary and
> > on line thesaurus. Netscape kept crashing.
> >
> > review on why she doesn't like it next month. Then I'll
> > decide whether to buy it, I've never heard it to be honest;)
> >
> >
> > --
> > "The splendour of human life, I feel sure, is greater
> > to those who are not dazzled by the divine radiance."
> > Bertrand Russell
.......assface says what?
Crawdad
Nickolay Boytchev Stanev
> On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 17:08:03 -0400, corn...@NOSPAMosu.edu (Jonathan) wrote:
>
> >In article <7m5irb$g45$1...@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>, "Crawford Lee Seals"
> ><supe...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >> <fan_o...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> >> news:7m5h04$i37$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >> > Torben,
> >> > I think Karin is a FABULOUS writer and THAT is precisely why I chose her
> >> > for
> >> > this particular series.
> >> > I just cannot get enough of the woman's totally honest/bare to the bones
> >> > insight into Dio.
> >> > What does every one else think?
> >> > KEN
> >>
> >>
> >> Jonathan keeps telling me to read it. He loved it. It's just
> >> so....so....so damned long.
> >
> >Well it took me ages to get through it. Mainly because I had to
> >have 3 browser windows open: article, on line dictionary and
> >on line thesaurus. Netscape kept crashing.
> There are two stand up songs on it
> Holy Diver which is nearly as great as anything Sabbath did.
> Rainbow in the Dark.
> Other than that i can't remember any songs really scratching my memory.
I think Don't Talk To Strangers walks all over Rainbow In The Dark - it's
about as good as Holy Diver and both are totally comparable to the best
Dio-Sabbath stuff. Shame On The Night is a very good song in the vein of
Sign Of The Southern Cross. Stand Up And Shout is one of the most
energetic metal songs I've heard. The remaining 2-3 songs are OK - not
bad, but nothing spectacular. Some people love Straight Through The Heart,
but its rhythm and pace have no appeal for me. In summary - get the
album.:)
NP: Gentle Giant - Acquiring The Taste
velcro_spy
garrison on my stereo until the tape sounded fuzzy with wear and I ran out
of battery money.
To me Tyr is a great album. Black Sabbath got away from the satanic thing
and delved into norse mythology. I always presumed singer Tony Martin was a
large part of the creativity of the album. If you listen to some of those
songs, like Legend of Tyr, there are operatic chord changes and great
vocals.
I guess Martin didn't last much past Tyr eh? Too bad!
vs
To email me just remove the X's and underline marks from my address.
Axe Mann
>From: X_vel...@netunlimited.net (velcro_spy)
>To me Tyr is a great album. Black Sabbath got away from the satanic thing
>and delved into norse mythology.
Well, compared to the limp Satanic lyrics on Headless Cross, the Norse
mythology angle is an improvement. But it does come off a bit Spinal-Tapish.
Maybe on tour they could have all dressed in Viking costumes or something...
Anyway, I really do like this album. Probably the best of the Martin-era.
"Anno Mundi" and "Heaven In Black" are phenomenonally good, and the 'Tyr
Trilogy' ain't too bad, either.
>I guess Martin didn't last much past Tyr eh? Too bad!
Actually, he recorded another two albums with Sabbath: Cross Purposes and
Forbidden. CP, in particular, is a fine album that I would rank right up there
with Tyr. It's quite a bit heavier and has Geezer on bass, which seems to work
in its favor for some on this ng. Of course, the Ozzyphiles don't really like
any of these albums no matter how good they are...
Christopher Oberst
Jim Coghlin
velcro_spy <X_vel...@netunlimited.net> wrote in message
news:931746135mne...@netunlimited.net...
>
> To me Tyr is a great album. Black Sabbath got away from the satanic thing
a
> large part of the creativity of the album. If you listen to some of those
> songs, like Legend of Tyr, there are operatic chord changes and great
> vocals.
There are some really good things on Tyr.
About a week ago several of us started to review the Tony Martin albums
with Black Sabbath. We got through The Eternal Idol and Headless Cross and
then it stopped. The fellow who started the discussion was not able to
continue because he didn't have all of the Tony Martin albums available to
listen to. (Jonathan!!)
We will get around to dissecting Tyr eventually so keep reading this
newsgroup. Or you could post your own review of the album and it might get
the exchange going.
Yes, there ARE Tony Martin fans here. (but they don't come out after
dark)
Jason M. Bodak
bugging me: is Tyr pronounced "Tire" or "Tier"???
Thanks.
--Jason Bodak
"I drank three six-packs just so I could look at your face!"
--Anthrax, "Finale"
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velcro_spy
> On 14 Jul 1999 03:39:45 GMT, rad...@aol.com (Raddion) wrote:
> >It is pronounced "Shut that shit off!!!!"
>
> I believe, still to this day, that while the album is the
> best "Tony Martin and Whitesnake Salute The Vikings" opus of all time,
Heh heh!
> it remains the worst Sabbath offering, that I've heard. Sonically, it
> reeks of a record company artistic approach (they're a bright fucking
> bunch) in its end result. Paying bills and inspired rock and roll
> can clash on certain plateaus. I think that Tony, perhaps, was
> paying bills with this album.
I think you guys are totally wrong, and this is a great album musically. I
still have my beat-up cassette of it, and I will sit down one night this
week and explain why it is great. _Dehumanizer_ is not that great. _Born
Again_ has only a coiuple nice moments. However _Tyr_ is great all over the
place.
Later!
velcro_spy
of "Thor," the axe-wielding madman from Norse legend, but later admitted he
was wrong. Tyr is from Norse legend, but he is the god who lost his hand tpo
a wolf.
In Norwegian Tyr means 'bull." Coincidentally Rammstein has a song called
"Tier" which in German means "animal." Further if I recall correctly
"tragtier" means a beast of burden (which is a Stones tune) while "tragbares
funkgeraet" is a portable radio or boombox.
Test later!
vs
To email me just remove the X's and underline marks from my address.
Raddion
Gary Lighthall
>It is pronounced "Shut that shit off!!!!"
> RADDION
Yes, a voice of reason. "He-who-blows-things-upward" (His
Native American moniker) is right.
I believe, still to this day, that while the album is the
best "Tony Martin and Whitesnake Salute The Vikings" opus of all time,
it remains the worst Sabbath offering, that I've heard. Sonically, it
reeks of a record company artistic approach (they're a bright fucking
bunch) in its end result. Paying bills and inspired rock and roll
can clash on certain plateaus. I think that Tony, perhaps, was
paying bills with this album.
Gary Lighthall
Ted Nugent for Pope in 2000...at least your mayor.
Crawford Lee Seals
Gary Lighthall <li...@logikbox.com> wrote in message
news:378c1198...@news.rockisland.com...
> On 14 Jul 1999 03:39:45 GMT, rad...@aol.com (Raddion) wrote:
>
> >It is pronounced "Shut that shit off!!!!"
> > RADDION
>
>
> Yes, a voice of reason. "He-who-blows-things-upward" (His
> Native American moniker) is right.
> I believe, still to this day, that while the album is the
> best "Tony Martin and Whitesnake Salute The Vikings" opus of all time,
That's hilarious! That's a great description of Tyr.
Crawdad
mddavis
Devil and Daughter
bright fucking
bunch) in its end result. Paying bills and inspired rock and roll can
clash on certain plateaus. I think that Tony, perhaps, was paying bills
with this album. "
You got to explain this. Hmm.. wait,
I think you're right- its such a calculated cd that the band wasted all
kinds of time, energy and money coming up with the best sab lyrics since
sabotage, great melodies, riffs and vocals and a concept to intricately
weave the songs into one another. Further, it stinks like a studio guided
effort all the more because there's not a single catchy radio-friendly
tune on the entire disc. Man what were they thinking? If your going to
make a disc for the paycheck.. don't try so much!
What a joke. Give your head a shake. Okay..granted, i think its a
classic.. but to hate this disc merely because Ozzy or Dio ain't on it is
pretty shallow. This, like 'born again', is the most underrated sabbath
effort.
-- D&D
Crawford Lee Seals
to make friends.
Crawdad
Devil and Daughter <hand...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Todd
-- D&D
velcro_spy
> I maintain that Tyr was one record that the band made as they liked.
> It was not rushed by the record company.
> They had time to make it as they liked.
> Perhaps they were given too much time.
> I agree with your accessment they tried too hard.
> However that is why some people like this cd I guess.
>
> ANNO MUNDI
> The main very cool riff by Iommi starts a cybernic bone crushing machine(I know, nothing to do with Norse myths just my impressions) into
> motion and Martin's vocals over this work very well for me.
> Very good lyrics, the album is off to a good start.
I agree with you, this is such a great song! It is original, with a killer
riff and unusual chord changes, with excellent lyrics and great vocal.
vs
SLEEPING VILLAGE
I believe that most people acknowledge Tyr to be one of Martin's best albums of the Martin/Sabbath catalog.
I maintain that Tyr was one record that the band made as they liked.
It was not rushed by the record company.
They had time to make it as they liked.
Perhaps they were given too much time.
I agree with your accessment they tried too hard.
However that is why some people like this cd I guess.
ANNO MUNDI
The main very cool riff by Iommi starts a cybernic bone crushing machine(I know, nothing to do with Norse myths just my impressions) into
motion and Martin's vocals over this work very well for me.
Very good lyrics, the album is off to a good start.
A perfect song imo.
THE LAW MAKER
This song reminds me very much of Rainbow Rising for some reason.
I have to turn this one up because I wouldn't pay attention to it otherwise.
Some blistering leads by Iommi to turn any aspiring guitarist green with envy.
This song goes over my head at the first listen and I can not get in to it.
So I listened to it a second time. It's more accessable for me this time and sounds more like a regular song that you would expect from
Sabbath.
It's a short song so it doesn't over stay it's welcome.
It might have sounded better if they had made it the first song.
Following Anno Mundi it doesn't stand a chance.
JERUSALEM
Iommi's first riff almosts falls on it's face, but he comes in with a totally evil twisted counterpoint to it
that should send a chill down anyone's spine.
The bridge is down played so the focus is shifted to Martin's vocals but he goes subdued at this point too, why?
Then they all get back into it after the bridge is over.
Still a very good song even with a rickity bridge.
This is a very good tune to play loud.
THE SABBATH STONES
This is the heavy song and threatens to remain so but some acoustic guitar and "violin" change the pace
and atmosphere to the intended masterpiece of the album.
The bridge sweeps away any doubt.
THE BATTLE OF TYR
Features once again Geoff Nicholls.
Seems to be a very visual thing going on here and this is just the sound track for it.
Tyr's(The God of War) hand being bitten off?
ODIN'S COURT
A very mellow song and a setup for VALHALLA.
It might be interesting to break this song out on it's own to see how it stands
as I tend to think of this song and the previous along with Vahalla as a trilogy.
VAHALLA
Another hard hitting song. Cozy is doing some bits on the cymbals that you might not be aware of.
Again some more blistering lead guitar at the end.
And so that ends the concept of this album and on to the two filler/bonus? songs.
FEELS GOOD TO ME
A melancholic love song that sounds like it crawled off of Seventh Star.
Yes I agree with who ever said that.
Some more smoking guitar which somehow fits into the song, but is it enough?
I like the ending for some reason either because it's a very good ending or because the song is nearly over.
Not sure which one.
HEAVEN IN BLACK
Not a lot in the way of arrangements, a fairly straight forward song but it does have an interesting story behind it.
A Russian Tzar got an oil paint artist to do a portrait.
Once the portrait was done the Tzar had the painter's eyes blinded.
The reason, the Tzar was so vain that he did not want the painter to be able to another painting as
well done as the portrait.
To me the lyrics are not really any better or worst than the album HEADLESS CROSS.
at...@home.com
hear of him here. And he was truly a magnificent person and musician.
And he loved black sabbath and Tony Iommi thought very highly of him,
and yes, he kicked ass on drums no doubt. peace, ld
velcro_spy wrote:
>
> someone wrote:
>
> > I maintain that Tyr was one record that the band made as they liked.
> > It was not rushed by the record company.
> > They had time to make it as they liked.
> > Perhaps they were given too much time.
> > I agree with your accessment they tried too hard.
> > However that is why some people like this cd I guess.
> >
> > ANNO MUNDI
> > The main very cool riff by Iommi starts a cybernic bone crushing machine(I know, nothing to do with Norse myths just my impressions) into
> > motion and Martin's vocals over this work very well for me.
> > Very good lyrics, the album is off to a good start.
>
Gary Lighthall
<hand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Sonically, it reeks of a record company artistic approach (they're a
>bright fucking
>bunch) in its end result. Paying bills and inspired rock and roll can
>clash on certain plateaus. I think that Tony, perhaps, was paying bills
>with this album. "
>
>You got to explain this. Hmm.. wait,
>
>I think you're right- its such a calculated cd that the band wasted all
>kinds of time, energy and money coming up with the best sab lyrics since
>sabotage, great melodies, riffs and vocals and a concept to intricately
>weave the songs into one another.
I can't agree with that. The album is about as strong as
balsa wood. Repeat after me, "creatively vapid". C'mon, say it!!!!
Further, it stinks like a studio guided
>effort all the more because there's not a single catchy radio-friendly
>tune on the entire disc. Man what were they thinking? If your going to
>make a disc for the paycheck.. don't try so much!
Hey, you still haven't said it. "Creatively vapid"!!!!!
If I actually thought that a catchy radio-friendly tune would
have made the album better, I would have suggested they cover some
godawful Def Leppard toon which was paying off heavily along the same
time TYR was put out. Or "Every Rose Has Its Thorn." Ummmmm, good
stuff if you're a fly.
>
>What a joke. Give your head a shake.
That's a damn good idea. If I shake it more than once, am I
playing with it?
I feel like Zippy the Pinhead!
Okay..granted, i think its a
>classic.. but to hate this disc merely because Ozzy or Dio ain't on it is
>pretty shallow. This, like 'born again', is the most underrated sabbath
>effort.
>
>-- D&D
>
Damn, I always thought NSD was the most underrated Sabbath
offering. But how does one surmise from my statements, before this
groovy little exchange, that I "hate" any album lacking the Oz or Dio?
Mob Rules and H&H are both killer, and damn if I don't dig the living
shit out of "Born Again" and the first Martin album.
One more time, "Creatively Vapid!!!"
Todd
about how sabbath sold out to the record company and their musical
creativity.
The Dio-hate thing etc was a generalization.. after all i cannot fathom
how Sabbath fans in general believe TE or NSD to be better than most Dio
or Martin efforts. Its not quality they perceive, but (imo) rather they
are blinded by their "ozzy bias" to simply not give the next sab
generation their due. Face it... many sab fans will refuse to like
(listen!) to anyting without ozzy. I thought you were aware of that. If
that doesn't fit you, then still i'm sure that doesn't prevent you from
seeing my point.
-- Todd
James
No.
Gary Lighthall
>The point about radio friendly tune.. was regarding a misguided point
>about how sabbath sold out to the record company and their musical
>creativity.
>
>The Dio-hate thing etc was a generalization.. after all i cannot fathom
>how Sabbath fans in general believe TE or NSD to be better than most Dio
>or Martin efforts. Its not quality they perceive, but (imo) rather they
>are blinded by their "ozzy bias" to simply not give the next sab
>generation their due. Face it... many sab fans will refuse to like
>(listen!) to anyting without ozzy. I thought you were aware of that. If
>that doesn't fit you, then still i'm sure that doesn't prevent you from
>seeing my point.
>
>-- Todd
>
Todd, I'm not sure or not if you're adressing me and my stated
views...But....
I still am a bit confused how my take on TYR makes me some
Ozzyphile with near sycophantic leanings in regard to the Oz era
Sabbath. I've slammed, and subsequently been slammed for, the OZ and
his weak-ass solo material (not all, of course, just the majo
I've stated before in this newsgroup, over two years ago, that
NSD is my favorite Sabbath album of all time. Bar none. So I do find
it a much better album than any of the Martin/Dio/Hughes albums. Yet,
as I write this, I am sitting in my underwear drinking a Blue Heron
Ale with Heaven and Hell blaring in the background through a haze of
the pacific Northwest's best herbal offering.
I, and my views, are not a fucking conundrum!