Key of Sabotage
fluff
guitar, but I play Sabotage in E, and he plays the songs in C#. what do
they play it in ? cheers for the clear up :)
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-Black Sabbath "After Forever"
Supernaut
Iommi mainly used the C# tuning though there are a few tunes done in "D". From
Tech Ecstacy onward he used an E flat tuning.
Peace,
Supernaut
Sabbra Cadabra
============== TUNE === KEY =====
Black Sabbath:
- Black Sabbath E G
- The Wizard E A
- Behind The Wall E B (intro) / A (main)
- Bassically E E
- N.I.B. E E
- Wicked World E E
Paranoid:
- War Pigs E E
- Paranoid E E
- Iron Man E B
- Electric Funeral E E
- Hand Of Doom E C
- Rat Salad E G
- Fairies Wear B E G
Master Of Reality:
- Sweet Leaf E A
- After Forever D A
- Embryo C# E
- Children Of The Gr C# E
- Into The Void C# E
Vol. 4:
- Tomorrow's Dream C# E
- Supernaut C# E
- Snowblind C# E
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath:
- Sabbath, Bloody S C# E
- A National Acrobat C# E
- Sabbra Cadabra C# E
- Killing Yourself To C# A (intro) / D (main)
Sabotage:
- Hole In The Sky E F#
- Symptom Of The U E E
Technical Ecstasy:
- Back Street Kids E E
Never Say Die:
- Never Say Die E A
Heaven And Hell:
- Neon Knights D# E
- Children Of The Sea D# D (intro) / A main)
- Heaven And Hell D# E
- Die Young D# E
Mob Rules:
- The Sign Of The Sou D# E
- The Mob Rules D# A
- Falling Off The Edge D# E
Born Again:
- Zero The Hero D G
Seventh Star:
- No Stranger To Love D E
Eternal Idol:
- The Shining D# D
Reunion:
- Psycho Man C# E
- Selling My Soul D B
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Zaida "Sabbra Cadabra"
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Sabbra Cadabra
>the proper tuning for the song is " C # " . From Master of Reality to
Sabotage
>Iommi mainly used the C# tuning though there are a few tunes done in "D".
From
>Tech Ecstacy onward he used an E flat tuning.
Close, but no cigar...
Black Sabbath, Paranoid, Sweet Leaf (song only), Sabotage, Technical Ecstasy
& Never Say Die! are all tuned to "E".
After Forever (song only), Born Again, Seventh Star & Selling My Soul (song
only)
are all tuned to "D".
The rest of Master Of Reality, Vol. 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath & Psycho Man
(song only) are all tuned to "C#".
Heaven And Hell, Mob Rules & Eternal Idol (possibly all the Martin era) are
all
tuned to "D#".
fluff
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| Supernaut wrote in message <3878F5E7...@pacbell.net>...
| >the proper tuning for the song is " C # " . From Master of Reality to
| Sabotage
| >Iommi mainly used the C# tuning though there are a few tunes done in "D".
| From
| >Tech Ecstacy onward he used an E flat tuning.
|
| Close, but no cigar...
| Black Sabbath, Paranoid, Sweet Leaf (song only), Sabotage, Technical
Ecstasy
| & Never Say Die! are all tuned to "E".
|
| After Forever (song only), Born Again, Seventh Star & Selling My Soul
(song
| only)
| are all tuned to "D".
|
| The rest of Master Of Reality, Vol. 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath & Psycho Man
| (song only) are all tuned to "C#".
|
| Heaven And Hell, Mob Rules & Eternal Idol (possibly all the Martin era)
are
| all
| tuned to "D#".
Hey, wow. I just played everything in either C# or E, apart from when I
play along to Reunion, and the E songs are in Eb (apart from Dirty Women
which is in C#) and Selling My Soul (end of Reunion) is in Eb yes ?
How do you know all this ? I just take guess' when I played them, and
played Sweet Leaf in C# because that's what the solo is in. Plus you have
some tracks unmentioned. Fluff and Laguna Sunrise are in E. Also, do you
notice that Who Are You is slightly out to the rest of Sabbath Bloody
Sabbath(album) and Volume 4 is tuned to three different C#'s (Snowblind is
different to Wheels Of Confusion and they are different to the rest of the
album). But now I'm just being Picky, hehe.
fluff
news:3878F5E7...@pacbell.net...
| the proper tuning for the song is " C # " . From Master of Reality to
Sabotage
| Iommi mainly used the C# tuning though there are a few tunes done in "D".
From
| Tech Ecstacy onward he used an E flat tuning.
| Supernaut
I knew Master of Reality, Volume 4 and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath are in C#
mostly, but the tracks on Sabotage are all in E or F#. Why play in C# if
you don't use the extra notes it gives you ? I'm not sure about Technical
Ecstacy, because I play Dirty Women in E, and the version on Reunion is in
C# with the same fingering (ie the whole song is detuned 3 semitones). And
I don't have anything after that album except Born Again, Heaven and Hell,
and Never Say Die, all 3 of which I couldn't care for. Plus, playing
Symptom Of The Universe and Supertzar in C# is very very hard. Nee, playing
anything on that album in C# is very very hard.
Captain Tripps
Cadabra wrote:
>Supernaut wrote in message <3878F5E7...@pacbell.net>...
>>the proper tuning for the song is " C # " . From Master of Reality to
>Sabotage
>>Iommi mainly used the C# tuning though there are a few tunes done in "D".
>From
>>Tech Ecstacy onward he used an E flat tuning.
>
>Close, but no cigar...
>Black Sabbath, Paranoid, Sweet Leaf (song only), Sabotage, Technical Ecstasy
>& Never Say Die! are all tuned to "E".
>
>After Forever (song only), Born Again, Seventh Star & Selling My Soul (song
>only)
>are all tuned to "D".
>
>The rest of Master Of Reality, Vol. 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath & Psycho Man
>(song only) are all tuned to "C#".
>
>Heaven And Hell, Mob Rules & Eternal Idol (possibly all the Martin era) are
>all
>tuned to "D#".
>
>**************************************************
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>To email, remove CADABRA from address
>http://members.home.net/sabbra
>Black Sabbath tribute band from Toronto
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>
I knew you'd catch those weird few on MOR.
I have 3 basses on stage when we play just to keep from having to
tune up and down all damn night!
I suppose it was all in an effort to allow Ozzy sing the melody he
wanted in a range he could manage, but man it's a drag having 3
different tunings on 1 album.
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++Captain Tripps++
Sabbra Cadabra
- Dirty Women E A (1st half) / D (2nd half)
Never Say Die:
- Never Say Die E A
Heaven And Hell:
- Neon Knights D# E
- Children Of The Sea D# D (intro) / A main)
- Heaven And Hell D# E
- Die Young D# E
Mob Rules:
- The Sign Of The Sou D# E
- The Mob Rules D# A
- Falling Off The Edge D# E
Born Again:
- Zero The Hero D G
Seventh Star:
- No Stranger To Love D E
Eternal Idol:
- The Shining D# D
Reunion:
- Psycho Man C# E
- Selling My Soul D B
**************************************************
Sabbra Cadabra
>I knew Master of Reality, Volume 4 and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath are in C#
>mostly, but the tracks on Sabotage are all in E or F#. Why play in C# if
>you don't use the extra notes it gives you ? I'm not sure about Technical
>Ecstacy, because I play Dirty Women in E, and the version on Reunion is in
>C# with the same fingering (ie the whole song is detuned 3 semitones). And
>I don't have anything after that album except Born Again, Heaven and Hell,
>and Never Say Die, all 3 of which I couldn't care for. Plus, playing
>Symptom Of The Universe and Supertzar in C# is very very hard. Nee,
playing
>anything on that album in C# is very very hard.
Se my other post below for all keys & tuning.
Sabbra Cadabra
<20000110030827...@ng-cm1.aol.com>...
> I would have to say the argument is over cause your friend is a step ahead
of
>you.(or is it behind) Tony didn't tune to standard until Technical ecstasy
>material. He mostly played in C# from mid 71 up to early 76. Just take
Into
>The Void, Children Of the Grave, etc. and tune the E string to the low
setting
>and go from there. contact me if you have any questions. I got some guitar
>behind me since 73.Later.
First, I have been playing just about as long, only bass, not guitar. For
this
issue though, it doesn't matter.
You MAY be correct with Into The Void & Children Of The Grave, however
playing them tuned to C# in the key of E works perfectly.
But, Black Sabbath's first two albums (Black Sabbath & Paranoid) were
both in standard 440 tuning.
fluff
| First, I have been playing just about as long, only bass, not guitar. For
| this
| issue though, it doesn't matter.
|
| You MAY be correct with Into The Void & Children Of The Grave, however
| playing them tuned to C# in the key of E works perfectly.
|
| But, Black Sabbath's first two albums (Black Sabbath & Paranoid) were
| both in standard 440 tuning.
I have been playing, um, 6 years, hehe. And I always played everything in
either E or C#, nothing else, but now I have tried it with Sabbra Cadabra's
tuning, a lot of them play better, apart from Into The Void and Children Of
The Grave, which IMO works better in C#.
Sabbra Cadabra
>I have been playing, um, 6 years, hehe. And I always played everything in
>either E or C#, nothing else, but now I have tried it with Sabbra Cadabra's
>tuning, a lot of them play better, apart from Into The Void and Children Of
>The Grave, which IMO works better in C#.
Into The Void & Children Of The Grave are tuned to C# in the key of E.
See my complete list in this thread titled:
"Re: Key of Sabotage & Others"
fluff
| fluff wrote in message ...
| >I have been playing, um, 6 years, hehe. And I always played everything
in
| >either E or C#, nothing else, but now I have tried it with Sabbra
Cadabra's
| >tuning, a lot of them play better, apart from Into The Void and Children
Of
| >The Grave, which IMO works better in C#.
|
| Into The Void & Children Of The Grave are tuned to C# in the key of E.
Ah, I see. Sorry if I have bored you all with this :)
SLEEPING VILLAGE
>Sabbra Cadabra <sabbra...@home.com> wrote in message
>news:0ape4.22769$g12.7...@news2.rdc1.on.home.com...
>
>| First, I have been playing just about as long, only bass, not guitar. For
>| this
>| issue though, it doesn't matter.
>|
>| You MAY be correct with Into The Void & Children Of The Grave, however
>| playing them tuned to C# in the key of E works perfectly.
>|
>| But, Black Sabbath's first two albums (Black Sabbath & Paranoid) were
>| both in standard 440 tuning.
>
>I have been playing, um, 6 years, hehe. And I always played everything in
>either E or C#, nothing else, but now I have tried it with Sabbra Cadabra's
>tuning, a lot of them play better, apart from Into The Void and Children Of
>The Grave, which IMO works better in C#.
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and two songs on Vol 4 the E string is actually tuned to a D.
Annoying if you are used to playing in E but if you are going for tone it is spot on.
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Can you help me occupy my brain? --Paranoid as sung on the Paranoid album.
SLEEPING VILLAGE
>Sabbra Cadabra <sabbra...@home.com> wrote in message
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>| fluff wrote in message ...
>| >I have been playing, um, 6 years, hehe. And I always played everything
>in
>| >either E or C#, nothing else, but now I have tried it with Sabbra
>Cadabra's
>| >tuning, a lot of them play better, apart from Into The Void and Children
>Of
>| >The Grave, which IMO works better in C#.
>|
>| Into The Void & Children Of The Grave are tuned to C# in the key of E.
>
>Ah, I see. Sorry if I have bored you all with this :)
The two songs on vol 4 tuned to D are Cornucopia and Under The Sun.
Sabbra Cadabra
Never bored, always enjoying discussing Sabbath.
Sabbra Cadabra
>The two songs on vol 4 tuned to D are Cornucopia and Under The Sun.
Thanks for the info.
I never learned to play those two songs, so I didn't know.
All the stuff I know is because I am the bass player
in a Black Sabbath tribute band here in Toronto, Canada.
Supernaut
makes pplaying this tune so much easier than in E and it cant be an E
tuning it just doesnt sound right. its not as sludgey. Its definatly a C#
tunning they use for Sabotage and Symptom.
Peace,
Supernaut
Jeff Downing wrote:
> I always play 'em in C# tuning......
> Actually, not to complicate things here , but I find that tuning
> somewhere a bit sharp of C#, and a bit flat of D works absolutely
> perfect for the entire Vol4 album.
> It sounds perfect.
> --
> Jeff Downing
> mad...@fastlane.net
Jeff Downing
Sabbra Cadabra
and Never Say Die are all in standard E tuning.
Here is a link to the best Sabbath tabulature site:
http://www.rdrop.com/~mjames/sabbath/
Check it out.
SLEEPING VILLAGE
>Believe it or not, Sabotage, Technical Ecstacy
>and Never Say Die are all in standard E tuning.
I agree.
>
>Here is a link to the best Sabbath tabulature site:
>http://www.rdrop.com/~mjames/sabbath/
>
>Check it out.
>
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>
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JCRYIAD
(snip)
>Plus, playing
>Symptom Of The Universe and Supertzar in C# is very very hard
He is *tuned* down to C# (a step and a half below A440), he doesn't play the
tunes in C#.
JCRyiad
"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try to
please everyone."
-Bill Cosby
JCRYIAD
>the proper tuning for the song is " C # " . From Master of Reality to
>Sabotage
>Iommi mainly used the C# tuning though there are a few tunes done in "D".
>From
>Tech Ecstacy onward he used an E flat tuning.
Just for the record everyone, and Supernot probably knows this but forgot:
BS and Paranoid - standard
MoR - C# although AF is D
Vol.4 - C#
SBS - C#
Sabotage - C#
TE AND NSD - STANDARD! Check them
HH - Eb
MR - Eb
BA - D
Evrything since then until Reunion was in Eb, then alkl of a sudden back to C#.
Ta da...........! :)
JCRYIAD
>>Believe it or not, Sabotage, Technical Ecstacy
>>and Never Say Die are all in standard E tuning.
True about TE and NSD, not so about Sabotage, except Supertzar and maybe AIGI (
I haven''t checked), the rest is all C# if memory serves.
CDargitz6P
Have to disagree with you again my friend, sabotage is the one here that is
not. Listen to the Writ and explain to me the low chordings here. If you are in
standard 440 tuning you cannot hit those low chords. Just listen to one of the
75 shows that has Sabotage tunes on it, tune to play War Pigs as a starting
point, you will be C# tuning, then play Symptom Of The Universe same key
against the Album version. Its identical. This I am sure of.The only other
option would be to down tune to E flat and bring down the low E a full tone.Up
for any
opinions. Paul
Henry Leyh
>
> >"fluff" writes:
>
> (snip)
>
> >Plus, playing
> >Symptom Of The Universe and Supertzar in C# is very very hard
>
> He is *tuned* down to C# (a step and a half below A440), he doesn't play the
> tunes in C#.
And for the sake of complete confusion: On the Cross Purposes video Tony
plays Symptom in E on a Eb guitar, so it looks like being played in F,
while on a C# guitar it looks like G but is E as well. :-)
BTW: Tony explains Symptom on
http://www.guitarworld.com/lessons/artists/iommi/9805.iommi/9805.iommi.html
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Gruss,
Henry
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JCRYIAD
Yeah, I mean I don't want to sound like a know it all, but the album Sabotage
is a step and a half down, end of story. It's C#, period. The only exception is
Supertzar which is standard I believe, probably since there was a choir.
Sabbra Cadabra
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Sabbra Cadabra
>Yeah, I mean I don't want to sound like a know it all, but the album
Sabotage
>is a step and a half down, end of story. It's C#, period. The only
exception is
>Supertzar which is standard I believe, probably since there was a choir.
The September 1992 issue of Guitar Magazine
has a professional transcription of Symptom Of
The Universe for guitar & bass. The song is
definately in the key of "E". To play it in "E" I have
to be tuned to standard tuning or it doesn't work.
The only other song from Sabotage that we had
played was Hole In The Sky, which I believe was
in the key of "F#" also standard tuning, I may be wrong.
The following tablature website concurs:
http://www.rdrop.com/~mjames/sabbath/
On the Never Say Die tour video, it appears
that Tony & Geezer are definately playing it
in the key of "E". Not sure how they are tuned.
Henry Leyh
>
> The September 1992 issue of Guitar Magazine
> has a professional transcription of Symptom Of
> The Universe for guitar & bass.
But the transcription on
http://www.guitarworld.com/lessons/artists/iommi/9805.iommi/9805.iommi.html
seems to be quite professional, too :-)
> The song is definately in the key of "E".
Yes.
> To play it in "E" I have
> to be tuned to standard tuning or it doesn't work.
Hmm, why not? I find it even easier to play it on C# tuning because I
don't have to move around so much.
Supernaut
Henry Leyh wrote:
> Sabbra Cadabra wrote:
> >
> > The September 1992 issue of Guitar Magazine
> > has a professional transcription of Symptom Of
> > The Universe for guitar & bass.
>
> But the transcription on
> http://www.guitarworld.com/lessons/artists/iommi/9805.iommi/9805.iommi.html
> seems to be quite professional, too :-)
>
> > The song is definately in the key of "E".
>
> Yes.
>
> > To play it in "E" I have
> > to be tuned to standard tuning or it doesn't work.
>
> Hmm, why not? I find it even easier to play it on C# tuning because I
> don't have to move around so much.
This is exactly my point , SOTU,played in the key of E, is way easier to play
in the C# tuning and it matches the recording exactly.
Peace,
Supernaut
Sabbra Cadabra
>This is exactly my point , SOTU,played in the key of E, is way easier to
play
>in the C# tuning and it matches the recording exactly.
I am not referring to what is easy or hard.
When you play on your own you can do what
ever you want to do as far as tuning.
As far as playing with the studio version on
the Sabotage album, I play tuned to standard
tuning "E" and play the song in the key of "E"
and it matches perfectly.
The "correct" way to play it, much to my shugrin,
as per Tony Iommi himself; is tuned down to a
"C#" and play it in the key of "G".
That is how reality is, strange as it seems.
For proof, follow this link:
http://www.guitarworld.com/lessons/artists/iommi/9805.iommi/9805.iommi.html
Here is the excert from the lesson written by Tony Iommi:
Another thing you can do to fill things out in a riff is add finger vibrato
to power chords. Some people will probably tell you that you're not supposed
to do this sort of thing, but I've been doing it for longer than I care to
remember! It's become part of my playing style, I suppose, because I do it
all the time without even thinking about it. A good example of me doing this
is on the Db5 chord in the main riff of "Symptom of the Universe" [Sabotage]
shown in FIGURE 2. I also use palm-muting and down picking only when I play
this riff.
The sound of going from G5 to Db5 like in the "Symptom" riff is something
I've always really liked because it's so dark and moody. The guys over at
Guitar World tell me that this flatted fifth interval used to be called
"Diabolus in Musica" which is Latin for "the devil in music!" Apparently,
back in the 18th Century they even used to hang musicians for playing it.
It's a bloody good job Sabbath wasn't around at that time-we'd have been the
most wanted band on the planet!
JCRYIAD
>Believe it or not, Sabotage, Technical Ecstacy
>and Never Say Die are all in standard E tuning.
I'll bet you any amount you desire about Sabotage, because you are wrong. There
are parts of the album that are standard (ie Supertzar), but it is mostly
Tony's usual C# tuning. With respect to TE and NSD, you are correct. Please
reinvestigate before you post your entire list again. Thanks..........
Russ
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