Black metal sucks
NIK
invented? How do you actually take seriously "music" as noisy and
talentless as that?? And what's up with those silly outfits and that
absolutely stupid make-up??? Do people who go to Black Metal shows actually
paint their faces too? What a joke.
Don't get me wrong, I love good Death/Thrash and Heavy Metal but Black Metal
is just plain garbage.
And don't flame, its pointless.
MATT MCADAM
everyone will start hating it and find something even more crappy to listen to.
A
They use the heavenly instruments (organ, cello, fart, etc), aspire to
have 'divine' vocals and do their best to follow these trends (not very individualistic).
Ends up death metal and grindcore is ten times more satanic.
What a joke
A
Sybren wrote:
>
> On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:51:33 GMT, "NIK" <dp...@mymail.net> wrote:
>
> >Am I the only one who thinks Black Metal is like the stupidest thing ever
> >invented? How do you actually take seriously "music" as noisy and
> >talentless as that?? And what's up with those silly outfits and that
> >absolutely stupid make-up??? Do people who go to Black Metal shows actually
> >paint their faces too? What a joke.
>
> Am I the only one who thinks Death/Thrash is like the stupidest thing ever
> invented? How do you actually take seriously "music" as noisy and
> talentless as that?? And what's up with those trailer park rejects and
> those absolutely stupid gore lyrics??? Do people who go to Death Metal
> shows actually look that idiotic too? What a joke.
>
> See how easily this can be turned around? Anyway, I still enjoy Death and
> Thrash as much as ever.
>
> Sybren (now playing Gorguts "The Erosion Of Sanity")
While we're here let's point out that the name of the most derivative
death metal band ever is now...Boreguts
>
> --
>
> "Pulchrum Est Paucorum Hominum" - Horatius
Sybren
>Am I the only one who thinks Black Metal is like the stupidest thing ever
>invented? How do you actually take seriously "music" as noisy and
>talentless as that?? And what's up with those silly outfits and that
>absolutely stupid make-up??? Do people who go to Black Metal shows actually
>paint their faces too? What a joke.
Am I the only one who thinks Death/Thrash is like the stupidest thing ever
invented? How do you actually take seriously "music" as noisy and
talentless as that?? And what's up with those trailer park rejects and
those absolutely stupid gore lyrics??? Do people who go to Death Metal
shows actually look that idiotic too? What a joke.
See how easily this can be turned around? Anyway, I still enjoy Death and
Thrash as much as ever.
Sybren (now playing Gorguts "The Erosion Of Sanity")
--
Shawn Wedel
agree also.
shawn
MATT MCADAM wrote:
> I thought I was the only one! Watch soon(hypothetical) as black metel gets big
> everyone will start hating it and find something even more crappy to listen to.
>
> NIK wrote:
>
> > Am I the only one who thinks Black Metal is like the stupidest thing ever
> > invented? How do you actually take seriously "music" as noisy and
> > talentless as that?? And what's up with those silly outfits and that
> > absolutely stupid make-up??? Do people who go to Black Metal shows actually
> > paint their faces too? What a joke.
> >
Despise the Sun
NIK wrote:
> Am I the only one who thinks Black Metal is like the stupidest thing ever
> invented?
99.9% of all black metal bands are worthless. The trick is to listen to the .1%
that are fucking brilliant.
> How do you actually take seriously "music" as noisy and
> talentless as that??
FOREST OF IMPALED
Shiflet
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>Am I the only one who thinks Black Metal is like the stupidest thing ever
>talentless as that??
You've never heard good black metal apparently.
>Don't get me wrong, I love good Death/Thrash and Heavy Metal but Black
Metal is just plain garbage.
I've heard FAR more shitty death metal than I have shitty black metal, and
I've heard a lot of shitty black metal.
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Maks Verver
<Mark-B...@uiowa.edu> wrote:
>
>NIK wrote:
>> Am I the only one who thinks Black Metal is like the stupidest thing ever
>> invented?
>
>that are fucking brilliant.
>
>> talentless as that??
I completely agree - there is a lot of worthless black metal out there
but there are also some great bands, which are very melodic and not
always *that* noisy.
Try bands like Emperor, Old Man's Child, Siebenbürgen, Hecate
Enthroned, Agathodaimon, Covenant (before they became The Kovenant),
etc. etc.
Next time, listen to the genre before you make a statement. Besides
that, your arguments against black metal are the same as those that
people who don't like metal use against the metal genre as a whole.
Now do you agree with them that metal completely sucks?
Keep Music Evil
>Am I the only one who thinks Black Metal is like the stupidest thing ever
>talentless as that?? And what's up with those silly outfits and that
>absolutely stupid make-up??? Do people who go to Black Metal shows actually
>paint their faces too? What a joke.
You're right n every count. Black metal rules!
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Sybren
>I actually think it's a joke that black 'metal' bands are anything but.
>They use the heavenly instruments (organ, cello, fart, etc), aspire to
>have 'divine' vocals and do their best to follow these trends (not very individualistic).
>
>Ends up death metal and grindcore is ten times more satanic.
Confusing Goth with Black Metal?
Sybren
Siroa
music go out, there's always some bands that use this music
to play good music. When the Death metal started to exist,
bands like Death and Sepultura did good Metal. And when the
black metal go out, bands like Children of Bodom use it to
play something good! But those bands are not really black
metal...
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>
> Am I the only one who thinks Black Metal is like the stupidest thing ever
> invented? How do you actually take seriously "music" as noisy and
> talentless as that?? And what's up with those silly outfits and that
> absolutely stupid make-up??? Do people who go to Black Metal shows actually
> paint their faces too? What a joke.
>
> is just plain garbage.
>
"Crackhead 2000"
http://www.mp3.com/gortician
(supporting your theory)
http://www.mp3.com/catholicon
(countering your theory)
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>
> Black Metal
> is just plain garbage.
No, Garbage is a decent little pop-alt rock band.
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Shawn Wedel
Siroa wrote:
> . And when the
> black metal go out, bands like Children of Bodom use it to
> play something good!
with all due respect, i just cannot grasp people's interest in this band.
shawn
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"NIK" <dp...@mymail.net> wrote:
> Am I the only one who thinks Black Metal is like the stupidest thing
ever
> invented? How do you actually take seriously "music" as noisy and
> talentless as that?? And what's up with those silly outfits and that
> absolutely stupid make-up??? Do people who go to Black Metal shows
actually
> paint their faces too? What a joke.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I love good Death/Thrash and Heavy Metal but
> is just plain garbage.
>
Probably as pointless as your posting this in the first place. You're
intitled to your opinions about black metal, and go ahead and say them.
But expect people to have opinions about you, and to post them too.
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Morgion666
"NIK" <dp...@mymail.net> wrote:
> Am I the only one who thinks Black Metal is like the stupidest thing
ever
> invented? How do you actually take seriously "music" as noisy and
> talentless as that??
Well, the only audible talent is the drums, and songwriting with good
bands.
The thing is that there are talented people who make good black metal
bands, and then the talentless one who attempt the same thing.
Lots of talent:
Dissection
Emperor
Limbonic Art (In Abhorrence Dementia RULES!!!! I just can't get over it)
Covenant
Abigor
Opeth (if you wanna call them black metal)
Very little talent:
Mayhem
Burzum
Carpathian Forest
Helheim
Opthalamia
Abruptum...
You just have to draw the line between good and bad, I know, it all
seemed the same to me at first, but the crap will sink to the bottom and
the good stuff eventually rise.
And what's up with those silly outfits and that
> absolutely stupid make-up??? Do people who go to Black Metal shows
actually
> paint their faces too? What a joke.
Well, there are people who like it, and I bet if the guys who paint
their face could say something to you, it'd be "bite me"
> Don't get me wrong, I love good Death/Thrash and Heavy Metal but Black
Metal
> is just plain garbage.
Then ignore it, simple as that...
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Michel Renaud
wrote:
>> black metal go out, bands like Children of Bodom use it to
>> play something good!
>
>with all due respect, i just cannot grasp people's interest in this band.
Because people have different tastes :-)
Children Of Bodom beats the crap out of many bands.
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>
>Mayhem
>Burzum
>Carpathian Forest
>Helheim
>Opthalamia
>Abruptum...
HAHA,
Mayhem and Opthalamia... no talent. haha.
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Morgion666 wrote:
> Lots of talent:
>
>
> Emperor
Can play, but have they done anything decent since Anthems? Whores.
>
> Abigor
Consistent. Excellent band.
>
> Opeth (if you wanna call them black metal)
They are neither black nor death.
>
>
> Very little talent:
>
>
> Burzum
Compositionally speaking, Varg is one of the best. You, and others with
short sightedness, equate lack of technical ability with a poor outcome.
Burzum COMMUNICATES more than any other black metal band.
Satan Stole My Teddybear
>
> >Very little talent:
> >
> >Mayhem
> >Burzum
> >Carpathian Forest
> >Helheim
> >Opthalamia
> >Abruptum...
>
> HAHA,
> Mayhem and Opthalamia... no talent. haha.
Ability to perform on their instruments, check.
Ability to write interesting music, ehhh....
More specifically, Ophthalamia...yech.
Satan Stole My Teddybear
>
> > Opeth (if you wanna call them black metal)
>
> They are neither black nor death.
Use the term I invented:
Gray metal.
Combines elements of both death and black metal but is neither.
> > Very little talent:
> >
> >
> > Burzum
>
> Compositionally speaking, Varg is one of the best. You, and others with
> short sightedness, equate lack of technical ability with a poor outcome.
> Burzum COMMUNICATES more than any other black metal band.
Burzum now communicates this very clearly: "They need to have tougher
prisons in Norway. Norwegian correctional officials need to not allow
inmates to record music from jail."
LOUD AND CLEAR!
perver...@nuns.net
> > > Opeth (if you wanna call them black metal)
> > They are neither black nor death.
> Use the term I invented:
> Gray metal.
> Combines elements of both death and black metal but is neither.
I prefer "vacuous flaccid wank metal".
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>
> all_...@chedsey.com wrote:
> > > > Opeth (if you wanna call them black metal)
> > > They are neither black nor death.
> > Use the term I invented:
> > Gray metal.
> > Combines elements of both death and black metal but is neither.
>
> I prefer "vacuous flaccid wank metal".
That's nice. Expect a gold star in your mail for such insight.
Sharund
Morgion666 wrote:
> Very little talent:
>
> Mayhem
> Burzum
> Carpathian Forest
> Helheim
> Opthalamia
> Abruptum...
Are you serious?
are you equating talent with technical ability? that might somewhat explain
why you see these bands as with very little talent
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>Ability to write interesting music, ehhh....
>More specifically, Ophthalamia...yech.
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Michel Renaud <mic...@metalcrypt.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:48:21 -0500, Shawn Wedel <shawn...@ou.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >> black metal go out, bands like Children of Bodom use it to
> >> play something good!
> >
> >with all due respect, i just cannot grasp people's interest in this
band.
>
> Because people have different tastes :-)
>
> Children Of Bodom beats the crap out of many bands.
Damn right! CoB RULE!!! I think they're the best new heavy metal band.
Keep Music Evil
>> Emperor
>
>Can play, but have they done anything decent since Anthems? Whores.
Was Anthems "decent"? ;)
>> Opeth (if you wanna call them black metal)
>
>They are neither black nor death.
They're rock
>> Burzum
>
>Burzum COMMUNICATES more than any other black metal band.
I agree, and the proof is in how many people that normally eschew
metal for more refined genres routinely appreciate burzum.
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"NIK" <dp...@mymail.net> wrote in message
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> Am I the only one who thinks Black Metal is like the stupidest thing ever
> invented? How do you actually take seriously "music" as noisy and
> absolutely stupid make-up??? Do people who go to Black Metal shows
actually
> paint their faces too? What a joke.
>
Metal
> is just plain garbage.
>
jorg
Morgion666 <morgi...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8k08f6$qof$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <e0t4ms09sbe4ao4o3...@4ax.com>,
> Michel Renaud <mic...@metalcrypt.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:48:21 -0500, Shawn Wedel <shawn...@ou.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> black metal go out, bands like Children of Bodom use it to
> > >> play something good!
> > >
> > >with all due respect, i just cannot grasp people's interest in this
> band.
> >
> > Because people have different tastes :-)
> >
> > Children Of Bodom beats the crap out of many bands.
>
> Damn right! CoB RULE!!! I think they're the best new heavy metal band.
>
CoB are just old Maiden and Malmsteen rip offs,sped up and with some
blastbeats and screaming vocals. Don't you guys get bored when you listen to
that? I find it extremely boring.
Any opinions?
Archon
> >They are neither black nor death.
>
> They're rock
>
Opeth plays Doom Metal.
You have some weird definitions. Brian Adams, Bon Jovi, the Corrs, DAD,
Metallica play rock.
Lux Occulta and Opeth doesn't.
Keep Music Evil
>CoB are just old Maiden and Malmsteen rip offs,sped up and with some
>blastbeats and screaming vocals. Don't you guys get bored when you listen to
>that? I find it extremely boring.
>Any opinions?
Most people like boring music.
Keep Music Evil
>More specifically, Ophthalamia...yech.
They did a great cover of Deathcrush. Everything else sucks.
Disharmonic Orchestra did an album in roughly the same style that was
much better called "Not To Be Undimensional Conscious."
John Andersson
<GYT85.2520$EA1.2...@news.total.net>...
>
> CoB are just old Maiden and Malmsteen rip offs,sped up and with some
> blastbeats and screaming vocals. Don't you guys get bored when you listen
to
> that? I find it extremely boring.
> Any opinions?
I agree 100%
Great musicians making incredible boring music.
All that melodic guitar and keyboard wanking just puts me to sleep.
They are pretty good live though.
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John Andersson wrote in message <01bfe731$a50efd60$b0c2c6c3@john>...
>Great musicians making incredible boring music.
>All that melodic guitar and keyboard wanking just puts me to sleep.
I'll take that melodic guitar and keyboards stuff over the typical black and
death metal sound of "cat being fucked up the ass by a vacuum cleaner"
anyday.
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Xhorder
> Dissection
Yes..
> Emperor
Talent.. but they wasted it a bit with IX EQ
> Limbonic Art (In Abhorrence Dementia RULES!!!! I just can't get over it)
> Covenant
> Abigor
> Opeth (if you wanna call them black metal)
No.. I don't call them black metal. They DO have talent!
> Very little talent:
> Mayhem
Are you crazy?? Hehe Lot's of talent..
> Burzum
He used to have talent.. Now it's all wasted in mindless Casio
cd's...
> Carpathian Forest
> Helheim
> Abruptum...
Never heard any of them..
> Opthalamia
Nah.. not much talent..
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> They're rock
Rock? They are metal! Rock is Bryan Adams...
Xhorder
> You have some weird definitions. Brian Adams, Bon Jovi, the Corrs, DAD,
> Metallica play rock.
> Lux Occulta and Opeth doesn't.
Doom metal? HA! So what does Winter play? Doom doom metal?
Just say they play metal! Influenced by Death metal and seventies rock..
That's it.. You can't label Opeth!
Archon
Bride. And Opeth (at least old albums) are often compared to them. The
new stuff (still Life) is different though.
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>CoB are just old Maiden and Malmsteen rip offs,sped up and with some
>blastbeats and screaming vocals. Don't you guys get bored when you listen to
>that? I find it extremely boring.
Ditto. Derivative music. A footnote to history. What is the point of
redoing what's already done? I can understand it would appeal to newcomers
who don't know the original bands, but in the larger framework, they're as
relevant as Pantera.
Sybren
<xhorder@"NOSPAM"darkwoodXXXXXXXXXXXX.com> wrote:
>> >(Opeth) They are neither black nor death.
>> They're rock
>
>Rock? They are metal! Rock is Bryan Adams...
He's probably referring to the musical structure and melodic
characteristics, not the way it is presented.
Xhorder
> Bride. And Opeth (at least old albums) are often compared to them. The
> new stuff (still Life) is different though.
Hmm.. I don't have the first 2 albums from Opeth.. so maybe you could
be right.. But I think it's more the atmosphere of both bands which is the
same..
Joost de Heer
:Disharmonic Orchestra did an album in roughly the same style that was
:much better called "Not To Be Undimensional Conscious."
Is this the album with the rap-song?
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> I've never heard Winter, but I know the "kings" of Doom - My Dying
> Bride. And Opeth (at least old albums) are often compared to them. The
> new stuff (still Life) is different though.
There is no doom in Opeth, even older albums. Like some other guy said:
death metal influenced by 70's rock. Some people call their music
"melodic/progressive death metal", and I think it fits. In any case it
fits much better than doom metal. It's the first time I have seen Opeth
compared to MDB or any doom. The atmosphere is neither doom (or
doom/death), at least not in the sense I know: Thergothon, MDB, Evoken,
Anathema (The Silent Enigma in particular), Paradise Lost (Shades Of God
era) ...
-Guy
>
> Xhorder wrote:
> >
> > > Opeth plays Doom Metal.
> > > You have some weird definitions. Brian Adams, Bon Jovi, the Corrs, DAD,
> > > Metallica play rock.
> > > Lux Occulta and Opeth doesn't.
> >
> > Doom metal? HA! So what does Winter play? Doom doom metal?
> > Just say they play metal! Influenced by Death metal and seventies rock..
> > That's it.. You can't label Opeth!
> >
> > Niels 'Xhorder' van Rongen
> >
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Morgion666
S.J.He...@student.tudelft.nl wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:33:03 -0400, "jorg" <jo...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> >CoB are just old Maiden and Malmsteen rip offs,sped up and with some
> >blastbeats and screaming vocals. Don't you guys get bored when you
listen to
> >that?
I find it extremely boring.
>
> Ditto. Derivative music. A footnote to history. What is the point of
> redoing what's already done?
Keeping original heavy metal alive? Let's see if 99% of metal fans share
your view. Iced Earth, Sentenced, BG... are playing traditional metal,
which has been around since Black Sabbath. And guess what, they're still
considered metal, and more importantly: GOOD.
Now, Korn and Tool and M.Manson tried something new with heavy music
(like you suggested bands should do), and they're not considered "heavy
metal" anymore. They're gay, posers who just use heavy riffs with
industrial sounds and wussy singing.
Well, see what happens when bands do something new? So I'd suggest you
go listen to korn and deftones right now if you want something new that
"hasn't been done before"
I can understand it would appeal to
newcomers
> who don't know the original bands,
Great! Getting a whole new generation into original heavy metal, isn't
that keeping the style alive?
but in the larger framework,
You mean in the eyes of 30 year-olds who liked the old bands when they
were in high school and they're annoyed because the new bands remind
them of the old ones? That's the cycle: Cher sounds like Madonna,
Madonna sounds like Brittany Spears. All music is basically lines of
influence...
BTW, I also gotta agree with Shiftlet, I'd take CoB's music over
ordinary black metal any day.
Archon
Xhorder wrote:
>
> > I've never heard Winter, but I know the "kings" of Doom - My Dying
> > Bride. And Opeth (at least old albums) are often compared to them. The
> > new stuff (still Life) is different though.
>
> Hmm.. I don't have the first 2 albums from Opeth.. so maybe you could
> be right.. But I think it's more the atmosphere of both bands which is the
> same..
>
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>
> John Andersson wrote in message <01bfe731$a50efd60$b0c2c6c3@john>...
>
> >Great musicians making incredible boring music.
> >All that melodic guitar and keyboard wanking just puts me to sleep.
>
>
> I'll take that melodic guitar and keyboards stuff over the typical black
and
> death metal sound of "cat being fucked up the ass by a vacuum cleaner"
> anyday.
Speaking of feline sodomy, I've had the pleasure of listening to "Vempire",
"Dusk and her Embrace" and "the Principle of Evil made Flesh" on
Napster...and they were NAUSEATING. Every single track on every single one
of them.
Who the FUCK is Dani Filth trying to be? Mike Patton sans testicles?
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>
> John Andersson wrote in message <01bfe731$a50efd60$b0c2c6c3@john>...
>
> >Great musicians making incredible boring music.
> >All that melodic guitar and keyboard wanking just puts me to sleep.
>
>
> I'll take that melodic guitar and keyboards stuff over the typical black
and
> death metal sound of "cat being fucked up the ass by a vacuum cleaner"
> anyday.
>
Depends on the cat...
and the vacuum.
Dwaallicht
>
> I've never heard Winter, but I know the "kings" of Doom - My Dying
> Bride.
Of course they're not the kings. You guys should do some research before
labelling kings and queens. My Dying Bride, albeit a great band in their
early days, must leave that title to Black Sabbath.
Maarten
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-- Trage
Sybren
wrote:
>> Ditto. Derivative music. A footnote to history. What is the point of
>> redoing what's already done?
>
>Keeping original heavy metal alive? Let's see if 99% of metal fans share
>your view. Iced Earth, Sentenced, BG... are playing traditional metal,
>which has been around since Black Sabbath. And guess what, they're still
>considered metal, and more importantly: GOOD.
Keeping Heavy Metal alive is a noble thing, don't get me wrong. But think
of the talent these guys (may) have: why waste that by rehashing old riffs
and solos? Why not do something that surpasses the old Heavy Metal, and
takes the melodic ideas of that genre one step further? Why stay satisfied
with playing in the shadows of Priest or Maiden? Point in case: do real
talents stay put or move forward in a worthwile direction? What would you
applaud?
>Now, Korn and Tool and M.Manson tried something new with heavy music
>(like you suggested bands should do), and they're not considered "heavy
>metal" anymore. They're gay, posers who just use heavy riffs with
>industrial sounds and wussy singing.
Thank you for that last sentence :) Trying something new doesn't
automatically make something worthwile, but stagnation will not improve
anything. Just take a look at all those great bands of the past: Black
Sabbath, Judas Priest, Motörhead, Iron Maiden, Slayer, Hellhammer/Celtic
Frost, Possessed, Venom, Darkthrone, Paradise Lost, Burzum, Death, Morbid
Angel - they're all legends because they took Metal one step further, they
were different, they made music previously unheard of.
>Well, see what happens when bands do something new? So I'd suggest you
>go listen to korn and deftones right now if you want something new that
>"hasn't been done before"
I did, but somehow I heard a style that took some of the aesthetics of
Metal, and all sorts of appealing elements of other genres, and pasted that
onto pop stuctures, as accessible as possible, stripping it of all depth
and produce it prefectly marketable to the "12-16 year old boys"
demographic. And it is of all times: Kiss worked the same way, and so did
Pantera, and Motley Crue: simplified semi-Metal for the easily entertained.
>I can understand it would appeal to
>newcomers
>> who don't know the original bands,
>
>Great! Getting a whole new generation into original heavy metal, isn't
>that keeping the style alive?
Perhaps, but why not get them into the original bands then?
>but in the larger framework,
>
>You mean in the eyes of 30 year-olds who liked the old bands when they
>were in high school and they're annoyed because the new bands remind
>them of the old ones? That's the cycle: Cher sounds like Madonna,
>Madonna sounds like Brittany Spears. All music is basically lines of
>influence...
I'm not as old as you think, really :) It's not wrong to borrow from the
old, as long as you use it to move on to something new.
>BTW, I also gotta agree with Shiftlet, I'd take CoB's music over
>ordinary black metal any day.
Perhaps...I'd take extraordinary black metal and extraordinary heavy metal
over both :)
DarkCed
do, (sabbath, maiden, darkthrone espescially) because they decided to change
from what they made first. Changing can be interesting but even the greatest
can turn to shit..
Sybren a écrit dans le message ...
Archon
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> Archon wrote:
> >
> > I've never heard Winter, but I know the "kings" of Doom - My Dying
> > Bride.
>
> Of course they're not the kings. You guys should do some research before
> labelling kings and queens. My Dying Bride, albeit a great band in their
> early days, must leave that title to Black Sabbath.
Sabbath founded the genre, surely. And their first 6 albums - and their
material with Ronnie James Dio and Ian Gillan - are essential.
But IMHO at least, diSEMBOWELMENT's "trancenDence into the peripheral" is
truly the crowning achievement of doom. No album captures the essence of
the genre more completely than this.
DarkCed
about ?
Without BS we would all be listening to Britney Spears since metal would not
even exist. They are THE metal masters.
Ced
Archon a écrit dans le message <3964F0E5...@mail1.stofanet.dk>...
>Black Sabbath sucks!
>
>Dwaallicht wrote:
>>
>> Archon wrote:
>> >
>> > I've never heard Winter, but I know the "kings" of Doom - My Dying
>> > Bride.
>>
>> Of course they're not the kings. You guys should do some research before
>> labelling kings and queens. My Dying Bride, albeit a great band in their
>> early days, must leave that title to Black Sabbath.
>>
Archon
Crimson created the wagon, black Sabbath pushed it - and in the 90's
people learned to drive it and now they experiment with it while others
crash it. That's how I see it!!!!
A
Spice Girls album...superior then??
Shiflet wrote:
>
> John Andersson wrote in message <01bfe731$a50efd60$b0c2c6c3@john>...
>
> >Great musicians making incredible boring music.
> >All that melodic guitar and keyboard wanking just puts me to sleep.
>
> I'll take that melodic guitar and keyboards stuff over the typical black and
> death metal sound of "cat being fucked up the ass by a vacuum cleaner"
> anyday.
>
Satan Stole My Teddybear
>
> On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:33:03 -0400, "jorg" <jo...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> >CoB are just old Maiden and Malmsteen rip offs,sped up and with some
> >blastbeats and screaming vocals. Don't you guys get bored when you listen to
> >that? I find it extremely boring.
>
> Most people like boring music.
Boring is a subjective and malleable term. What's boring to one set of
ears is candy to another.
--
============================================
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http://www.chedsey.com
Satan Stole My Teddybear
>
> > Opeth plays Doom Metal.
> > You have some weird definitions. Brian Adams, Bon Jovi, the Corrs, DAD,
> > Metallica play rock.
> > Lux Occulta and Opeth doesn't.
>
> Doom metal? HA! So what does Winter play? Doom doom metal?
> Just say they play metal! Influenced by Death metal and seventies rock..
> That's it.. You can't label Opeth!
GRAY METAL DAMMIT!
Satan Stole My Teddybear
>
> Now, Korn and Tool and M.Manson tried something new with heavy music
> (like you suggested bands should do), and they're not considered "heavy
> metal" anymore. They're gay, posers who just use heavy riffs with
> industrial sounds and wussy singing.
Eh, why on earth are you lumping Tool in with those other two bands? I
doubt their sexuality has anything to do with their music and Maynard's
singing is by no means "wussy". I'm not a huge Tool fan but I have a
hell of a lot of respect for their music and abilities.
Martha Hughes
usually don't like bands THAT slow.
Opeth, well, they mix up the styles. I think their roots are in Swedish
death metal, but they don't stay in one style. One of the reasons I like
them so much.
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> And "doom" refer to the atmosphere.
>
> Xhorder wrote:
> >
> > > I've never heard Winter, but I know the "kings" of Doom - My Dying
> > > Bride. And Opeth (at least old albums) are often compared to them. The
> > > new stuff (still Life) is different though.
> >
> > Hmm.. I don't have the first 2 albums from Opeth.. so maybe you could
> > be right.. But I think it's more the atmosphere of both bands which is
the
> > same..
> >
> > Niels 'Xhorder' van Rongen
> >
> > ______________________________________
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>
Martha Hughes
> Black Sabbath sucks!
>
??????
And you're the one who was saying how great the new Mayhem is! Bah!!! Shows
your lack of taste.
> Dwaallicht wrote:
> >
> > Archon wrote:
> > >
> > > I've never heard Winter, but I know the "kings" of Doom - My Dying
> > > Bride.
> >
> > Of course they're not the kings. You guys should do some research before
> > labelling kings and queens. My Dying Bride, albeit a great band in their
> > early days, must leave that title to Black Sabbath.
> >
> > Maarten
> >
> > --
> > ICQ: 3836817
> > Writings: http://www.student.wau.nl/~maartenj
> > 'The message of the Spice Girls, or any other modern pop band, is
> > basically inline with Nietzsche.'
> > -- Trage
>
goden
<all_...@chedsey.com> gleefully downed a bottle of Robitussin and
wrote:
>Keep Music Evil wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:33:03 -0400, "jorg" <jo...@usa.net> wrote:
>>
>> >CoB are just old Maiden and Malmsteen rip offs,sped up and with some
>> >blastbeats and screaming vocals. Don't you guys get bored when you listen to
>> >that? I find it extremely boring.
>> >Any opinions?
>>
>> Most people like boring music.
>
>Boring is a subjective and malleable term. What's boring to one set of
>ears is candy to another.
Throne of Ahaz's 'Nifelheim' kicks ass.
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goden
<bast...@worldnet.att.net> gleefully downed a bottle of Robitussin
and wrote:
>BAST music magazine #11 is SOLD OUT!!!
>Issue #12 will be out in early July and will include: Lock-Up, Opeth,
>Eulogy, Felix Tuszynski, Bad Brains, Depresy, Force, the Kovenant, John
>Wayne Gacy, Belgian Beer, Hin Onde, Sangre Amado, an inside look into
>prostitution and plenty more!
>BAST now at Tower Records worldwide! www.bastmagazine.com
Is the JWG interview an old one or done by you, Martha? On an
unrelated, note, have you seen Fulci's THE BEYOND?
"I built this pathway. . .JUST FOR JOE."
"Why thank ya, Martha."
Satan Stole My Teddybear
>
> Well then you are obviously NOT a metal fan...there's more keyboards on
> Spice Girls album...superior then??
Uh oh..he's breaking out the "I'm more metal than you" and "Metal
Credibility" arguments! Everyone duck, this one is guaranteed to floor
the crowd!
goden
<all_...@chedsey.com> gleefully downed a bottle of Robitussin and
wrote:
>A wrote:
>>
>> Well then you are obviously NOT a metal fan...there's more keyboards on
>> Spice Girls album...superior then??
>
>Uh oh..he's breaking out the "I'm more metal than you" and "Metal
>Credibility" arguments! Everyone duck, this one is guaranteed to floor
>the crowd!
ur not metal, poser!!!111
add me to ur list, plz thanxx
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>============================================
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>http://www.chedsey.com
Satan Stole My Teddybear
>
> ur not metal, poser!!!111
Damn? Then why did I buy all this tinfoil outerwear?
>
> add me to ur list, plz thanxx
Which list?
Archon
bands. Observing the mood Korn and Tool is more similar, but the style
is WAY different - I like Tool and puke on Korn - M. Manson is sometimes
ok, although ugly as hell.
Satan Stole My Teddybear wrote:
>
> Morgion666 wrote:
> >
> > Now, Korn and Tool and M.Manson tried something new with heavy music
> > (like you suggested bands should do), and they're not considered "heavy
> > metal" anymore. They're gay, posers who just use heavy riffs with
> > industrial sounds and wussy singing.
>
> Eh, why on earth are you lumping Tool in with those other two bands? I
> doubt their sexuality has anything to do with their music and Maynard's
> singing is by no means "wussy". I'm not a huge Tool fan but I have a
> hell of a lot of respect for their music and abilities.
> --
> ============================================
> Satan Stole My Teddybear
> http://www.chedsey.com
--
Archon
Martha Hughes wrote:
>
> Winter is doom....exceedingly slow and doomy music. I like Winter, and I
> usually don't like bands THAT slow.
>
> Opeth, well, they mix up the styles. I think their roots are in Swedish
> death metal, but they don't stay in one style. One of the reasons I like
> them so much.
>
> --
> BAST music magazine #11 is SOLD OUT!!!
> Issue #12 will be out in early July and will include: Lock-Up, Opeth,
> Eulogy, Felix Tuszynski, Bad Brains, Depresy, Force, the Kovenant, John
> Wayne Gacy, Belgian Beer, Hin Onde, Sangre Amado, an inside look into
> prostitution and plenty more!
> BAST now at Tower Records worldwide! www.bastmagazine.com
> FREE the WEST MEMPHIS THREE!!! www.wm3.org
>
> Archon <arc...@mail1.stofanet.dk> wrote in message
> news:3964CA52...@mail1.stofanet.dk...
> > And "doom" refer to the atmosphere.
> >
> > Xhorder wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've never heard Winter, but I know the "kings" of Doom - My Dying
> > > > Bride. And Opeth (at least old albums) are often compared to them. The
> > > > new stuff (still Life) is different though.
> > >
> > > Hmm.. I don't have the first 2 albums from Opeth.. so maybe you could
> > > be right.. But I think it's more the atmosphere of both bands which is
> the
> > > same..
> > >
> > > Niels 'Xhorder' van Rongen
> > >
> > > ______________________________________
> > > Official Borknagar site http://www.borknagar.com
> > > H T T P : / / W W W . B O R K N A G A R . C O M
> > > Quintessence, the new Borknagar album.
> > > -------------- Now available! -----------------
> >
Archon
>
> And you're the one who was saying how great the new Mayhem is!
I'm not saying it's Great - I like it for background music.
Archon
Martha Hughes wrote:
>
> Archon <arc...@mail1.stofanet.dk> wrote in message
> news:3964F0E5...@mail1.stofanet.dk...
> > Black Sabbath sucks!
> >
> ??????
>
> And you're the one who was saying how great the new Mayhem is! Bah!!! Shows
> your lack of taste.
>
> > Dwaallicht wrote:
> > >
> > > Archon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've never heard Winter, but I know the "kings" of Doom - My Dying
> > > > Bride.
> > >
> > > Of course they're not the kings. You guys should do some research before
> > > labelling kings and queens. My Dying Bride, albeit a great band in their
> > > early days, must leave that title to Black Sabbath.
> > >
> > > Maarten
> > >
> > > --
> > > ICQ: 3836817
> > > Writings: http://www.student.wau.nl/~maartenj
> > > 'The message of the Spice Girls, or any other modern pop band, is
> > > basically inline with Nietzsche.'
> > > -- Trage
> >
Keep Music Evil
>Boring is a subjective and malleable term. What's boring to one set of
>ears is candy to another.
Doesn't mean those two sets of ears are equal :)
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Keep Music Evil
>Speaking of feline sodomy, I've had the pleasure of listening to "Vempire",
>"Dusk and her Embrace" and "the Principle of Evil made Flesh" on
>Napster...and they were NAUSEATING. Every single track on every single one
>of them.
>
>Who the FUCK is Dani Filth trying to be? Mike Patton sans testicles?
He's trying to be Dani Retired.
Keep Music Evil
>> Ditto. Derivative music. A footnote to history. What is the point of
>> redoing what's already done?
>
>Keeping original heavy metal alive? Let's see if 99% of metal fans share
>your view. Iced Earth, Sentenced, BG... are playing traditional metal,
>which has been around since Black Sabbath. And guess what, they're still
>considered metal, and more importantly: GOOD.
Some of these break some ground, but those don't are transient.
Traditional metal will only go so far for someone looking to see what
metal will do next.
>Now, Korn and Tool and M.Manson tried something new with heavy music
>(like you suggested bands should do), and they're not considered "heavy
>metal" anymore. They're gay, posers who just use heavy riffs with
>industrial sounds and wussy singing.
They didn't try anything new, but recombined several media-proven
styles
>Well, see what happens when bands do something new? So I'd suggest you
>go listen to korn and deftones right now if you want something new that
>"hasn't been done before"
Or maybe Iljdarn, which is truly unique.
Keep Music Evil
>Thank you for that last sentence :) Trying something new doesn't
>automatically make something worthwile, but stagnation will not improve
>anything. Just take a look at all those great bands of the past: Black
>Sabbath, Judas Priest, Motörhead, Iron Maiden, Slayer, Hellhammer/Celtic
>Frost, Possessed, Venom, Darkthrone, Paradise Lost, Burzum, Death, Morbid
>Angel - they're all legends because they took Metal one step further, they
>were different, they made music previously unheard of.
It's a matter of what your ambition is. To do something that adds to
the world, or to "be something" that you recognize in others.
Keep Music Evil
>hell of a lot of respect for their music and abilities.
I don't; there's plenty of musicians that good or better doing more
respectable music. It's not Britney, but it sure ain't King Crimson.
Keep Music Evil
>:Disharmonic Orchestra did an album in roughly the same style that was
>:much better called "Not To Be Undimensional Conscious."
>
>Is this the album with the rap-song?
Not full on rap, as far as I know. You may be thinking of
"Pleasuredome"?
Despise the Sun
Keep Music Evil wrote:
> >> Emperor
> >
> >Can play, but have they done anything decent since Anthems? Whores.
>
> Was Anthems "decent"? ;)
Well, not compared to ItNE, but at least it retained black metal
structure.
Shiflet
Significant Pickle wrote in message ...
Now *there* is a name I haven't seen in awhile...
>Speaking of feline sodomy, I've had the pleasure of listening to "Vempire",
>"Dusk and her Embrace" and "the Principle of Evil made Flesh" on
>Napster...and they were NAUSEATING. Every single track on every single one
>of them.
I sold Cruelty and the Beast for $4.
>Who the FUCK is Dani Filth trying to be? Mike Patton sans testicles?
>
>E.
>--
>"The fantastic weight of oceans
>Cathedrals of immense awe
>The weight of erotic literature
>Enlightenment of the whore
>Marvel at the hanging gardens
>The liars faint with greed
>Sorrow at the wailing wall
>The mindless on their knees"
>- My Dying Bride
Despise the Sun
Archon wrote:
> > >They are neither black nor death.
> >
> > They're rock
> >
>
> Opeth plays Doom Metal.
Yeah, and John Denver was a gore grinder!
Despise the Sun
Archon wrote:
> I've never heard Winter, but I know the "kings" of Doom - My Dying
> Bride. And Opeth (at least old albums) are often compared to them. The
> new stuff (still Life) is different though.
Whatever you are on, I want some. Opeth have NEVER PLAYED A SINGLE RIFF
RESEMBLING THAT OF DOOM.
Shiflet
DarkCed wrote in message <4n695.409$YB4.1...@nnrp2.proxad.net>...
>Are you drunk or something ??? Are you sure you know what you're talking
>about ?
>Without BS we would all be listening to Britney Spears since metal would
not
>even exist.
The hell it wouldn't. Alice Cooper started doing heavier music in the very
same time period, as did a lot of the 70's prog-rock bands such as Jethro
Tull(listen to Locomotive Breath and Cross Eyed Mary, those two are as heavy
as a LOT of Sabbath's stuff). Hell, I know several metal bands that list
*Tull* as an influence-Blind Guardian, Skyclad, even Overkill.
>Ced
Shiflet
A wrote in message <39652F34...@nospam.com>...
>Well then you are obviously NOT a metal fan...there's more keyboards on
>Spice Girls album...superior then??
Umm, were you born stupid, or is this just a recent development? Either way,
I prefer CoB(they are metal you halfwit buffoon), because they are GOOD
metal, not the shit that most black and death metal consists of. Just
because it's melodic doesn't mean it isn't metal you ignorant lout. I could
say with JUST as much credibility that if you like typical black and death
metal, you must also like the sounds of chainsaws and vacuum cleaners.
Despise the Sun
Archon wrote:
> My arms, your hearse is doomy, isn't it?
That's like saying Pierced From Within is non technical death. You get an F in
metal 101.
Opeth is EXTREME prog. metal. No doom, no death, no black. If they sound doomy
to you, then you must have one distorted amp.
Despise the Sun
DarkCed wrote:
> Are you drunk or something ??? Are you sure you know what you're talking
> about ?
The dude thinks Opeth is doom. Does this answer your above two questions?
Despise the Sun
Xhorder wrote:
> > >(Opeth) They are neither black nor death.
> > They're rock
>
> Rock? They are metal! Rock is Bryan Adams...
No, he's cheese.
Despise the Sun
Morgion666 wrote:
> In article <oq39mskfi1svcbdih...@4ax.com>,
> S.J.He...@student.tudelft.nl wrote:
> > On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:33:03 -0400, "jorg" <jo...@usa.net> wrote:
> >
> > >CoB are just old Maiden and Malmsteen rip offs,sped up and with some
> > >blastbeats and screaming vocals. Don't you guys get bored when you
> listen to
> > >that?
> I find it extremely boring.
> >
> > Ditto. Derivative music. A footnote to history. What is the point of
> > redoing what's already done?
>
> Keeping original heavy metal alive? Let's see if 99% of metal fans share
> your view. Iced Earth, Sentenced, BG... are playing traditional metal,
> which has been around since Black Sabbath. And guess what, they're still
> considered metal, and more importantly: GOOD.
Iced Earth = cheesy power metal
Sentenced = released the godly North From Here only to turn into fags soon
after..
Sentenced is perhaps one of metals biggest let downs.
Joost de Heer
:>:Disharmonic Orchestra did an album in roughly the same style that was
:>:much better called "Not To Be Undimensional Conscious."
:>
:>Is this the album with the rap-song?
:Not full on rap, as far as I know. You may be thinking of "Pleasuredome"?
It was the 3rd song on the 2nd Disharmonic Orchestra album. Still too bad I've
never seen them live, they pulled out of the Sinister/Entombed tour before
they reached my home town :-(
Joost
NP: Origo Regium 1993-1994 - Abigor
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I will despise you until your last breath [ iQ ]
When I cut into you, will you not bleed?
Decidedly you will provide what I need
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> Black Sabbath sucks!
troll.
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Archon
--
Sybren
wrote:
>> Ditto. Derivative music. A footnote to history. What is the point of
>> redoing what's already done?
>
>Keeping original heavy metal alive? Let's see if 99% of metal fans share
>your view. Iced Earth, Sentenced, BG... are playing traditional metal,
>which has been around since Black Sabbath. And guess what, they're still
>considered metal, and more importantly: GOOD.
Keeping Heavy Metal alive is a noble thing, don't get me wrong. But think
of the talent these guys (may) have: why waste that by rehashing old riffs
and solos? Why not do something that surpasses the old Heavy Metal, and
takes the melodic ideas of that genre one step further? Why stay satisfied
with playing in the shadows of Priest or Maiden? Point in case: do real
talents stay put or move forward in a worthwile direction? What would you
applaud?
>Now, Korn and Tool and M.Manson tried something new with heavy music
>(like you suggested bands should do), and they're not considered "heavy
>metal" anymore. They're gay, posers who just use heavy riffs with
>industrial sounds and wussy singing.
Thank you for that last sentence :) Trying something new doesn't
automatically make something worthwile, but stagnation will not improve
anything. Just take a look at all those great bands of the past: Black
Sabbath, Judas Priest, Motörhead, Iron Maiden, Slayer, Hellhammer/Celtic
Frost, Possessed, Venom, Darkthrone, Paradise Lost, Burzum, Death, Morbid
Angel - they're all legends because they took Metal one step further, they
were different, they made music previously unheard of.
>Well, see what happens when bands do something new? So I'd suggest you
>go listen to korn and deftones right now if you want something new that
>"hasn't been done before"
I did, but somehow I heard a style that took some of the aesthetics of
Metal, and all sorts of appealing elements of other genres, and pasted that
onto pop stuctures, as accessible as possible, stripping it of all depth
and produce it prefectly marketable to the "12-16 year old boys"
demographic. And it is of all times: Kiss worked the same way, and so did
Pantera, and Motley Crue: simplified semi-Metal for the easily entertained.
>I can understand it would appeal to
>newcomers
>> who don't know the original bands,
>
>Great! Getting a whole new generation into original heavy metal, isn't
>that keeping the style alive?
Perhaps, but why not get them into the original bands then?
>but in the larger framework,
>
>You mean in the eyes of 30 year-olds who liked the old bands when they
>were in high school and they're annoyed because the new bands remind
>them of the old ones? That's the cycle: Cher sounds like Madonna,
>Madonna sounds like Brittany Spears. All music is basically lines of
>influence...
I'm not as old as you think, really :) It's not wrong to borrow from the
old, as long as you use it to move on to something new.
>BTW, I also gotta agree with Shiftlet, I'd take CoB's music over
>ordinary black metal any day.
Perhaps...I'd take extraordinary black metal and extraordinary heavy metal
over both :)
Sybren
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jorg
DarkCed <dar...@free.fr> wrote in message
news:4n695.409$YB4.1...@nnrp2.proxad.net...
> Are you drunk or something ??? Are you sure you know what you're talking
> about ?
not
> Ced
Bullshit. Black Sabbath is just a rock band, and a gay one too. I cannot
believe people call them doom. Doom are Unholy, Skepticism etc. I don't see
Black Sabbath creating the same atmosphere on any album. The fact that
Cathedral started ripping them off doesn't mean Black Sabbath is doom or
Cathedral is doom ( after Forest of Equilibrium ).
Without BS we'd still be fine, 'cause we got Slayer!!
>
> Archon a écrit dans le message <3964F0E5...@mail1.stofanet.dk>...
> >Black Sabbath sucks!
> >
> >Dwaallicht wrote:
> >>
> >> Archon wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I've never heard Winter, but I know the "kings" of Doom - My Dying
> >> > Bride.
> >>
> >> Of course they're not the kings. You guys should do some research
before
> >> labelling kings and queens. My Dying Bride, albeit a great band in
their
> >> early days, must leave that title to Black Sabbath.
> >>
> >> Maarten
> >>
> >> --
> >> ICQ: 3836817
> >> Writings: http://www.student.wau.nl/~maartenj
> >> 'The message of the Spice Girls, or any other modern pop band, is
> >> basically inline with Nietzsche.'
> >> -- Trage
> >
A
You can have a teddy bear web site and be proud of it.
I will, regardless of people like you, listen ONLY to metal 100% of the
time. Sorry if that's not open-minded Teddy, but my metal does not
include teddy bears, keyboards or the flute.
As for the crowd: no real metal fan gives a damn. Sorry that's an alien
concept for you. Stay open-minded and Good Luck!
Satan Stole My Teddybear wrote:
>
> A wrote:
> >
> > Well then you are obviously NOT a metal fan...there's more keyboards on
> > Spice Girls album...superior then??
>
> Uh oh..he's breaking out the "I'm more metal than you" and "Metal
> Credibility" arguments! Everyone duck, this one is guaranteed to floor
> the crowd!
A
never said melody is not metal.
You can worship all the keyboards you like, but unfortunately that
doesn't make you a metal fan.
And please don't give me any teddy bear arguments about open-mindedness:
these are just the devices of the wimps to corrupt metal. I NEVER hear
you same losers exhort jazz fans to be open-minded and incorporate blast beats.
Metal as a concept/ music/ philosophy is meant to be extreme. If we have
enough keyboards to satisfy you, we might as well do that tour with
Britney Spears.
SORRY to shatter your commercial-magazine, well-crafted self image.
Shiflet wrote:
>
> A wrote in message <39652F34...@nospam.com>...
> >Well then you are obviously NOT a metal fan...there's more keyboards on
> >Spice Girls album...superior then??
>
A
I!! Hear it before you follow the trend and speak nonsense.
Incidentally: Led Zepplin I SUCKS
DarkCed wrote:
>
> Are you drunk or something ??? Are you sure you know what you're talking
> about ?
> Without BS we would all be listening to Britney Spears since metal would not
> even exist. They are THE metal masters.
> Ced
>
DarkCed
Paranoid, Iron Man, Planet Caravan, Symptom of the Universe, .... (want more
??)
Ced
A a écrit dans le message <3965DD3C...@nospam.com>...
Archon
good even cold.
Despise the Sun wrote:
>
> Archon wrote:
>
> > I've never heard Winter, but I know the "kings" of Doom - My Dying
> > Bride. And Opeth (at least old albums) are often compared to them. The
> > new stuff (still Life) is different though.
>
> Whatever you are on, I want some. Opeth have NEVER PLAYED A SINGLE RIFF
> RESEMBLING THAT OF DOOM.
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