Amorphis satanic?
George Li Tsai
clive wrote:
>
> George <tsai...@osu.edu> wrote:
>
> > I am a metal fan, plus Christian. Sometimes I check secular
> > albums and to tell you the truth, bands such as Possession:
> > http://www.idir.net/~mholmes9/review.htm, Paramaecium:
> > http://www.ozemail.com.au/~thp/paramaecium.html, and Groms are many
> > times better than other top secular bands. My opinion. I think
> > some of the stuff out there that is satanic and have a lot of
> > recognition is
> > just crap or average stuff in terms of artistic significance. Amorphis
> > has received a lot of praise, yet I think it is very average
> > and boring. I just fall asleep listening to their music. My opinion.
> >
>
> amorphis are satanic?.. i certainly hope that's not what you
> implied.. their lyrics dont really espouse any worldview,
> and are based on old finnish poetry (well the last two albums
> at least). both "tales from the thousand lakes" and "elegy"
> are excellent albums, with great riffs and a majestic sound.
> i didnt really like "the karelian isthmus" that much though.
It is unjust for me to say that secular bands are satanic. It is not
true in some cases. However, I have had all the albums by
Amorphis (I sold them). As far as I am concerned, Priviledge of Evil
had lyrical segments of satanic order. Even though their lyrical
as well as their musical approach shifted after this demo release
becoming more of a death-doom band with lyrics referring to finnish
traditions, they have not ceased to be incompatible when faced with
the Holy Scriptures. They refer more to the time of ignorant worship
to pagan gods and morality based on conscience only.
>
> havent heard possession.
Possession is a very creative band. Their music is excellent. The
vocals are
the real kick here.
> paramaecium are derivatives of
> my dying bride, anathema etc imho. doomdeath with
> orchestration is not that new, and paramaecium dont add
> any novel twists..
I think Paramaecium has their unique style going. Anyone playing music
gets some influence of what is out there. Any type of music has certain
characteristics that make it what it is. The music of Paramaecium is
excellent. They play in top dark clubs in Australia (Weird names, I
can't remember) ith the message of Jesus Christ.
A band which I did not mention was Schaliach. Their sound is very
Norwegian. The cover of the CD is very Norwegian. Everything is very
Norwegian because they are Norwegian, yet their lyrics are from Heaven.
Their music is good. The only thing I cannot get used to is to the
vocals. They play a very melodic death-doom metal.
>horde are ridiculous..
Horde is a one-man band
>the lyrics
> are theological nonsense,
It would make sense if you could discern how absurd and nonsensical
satanism is. The release by Horde is is not only great because of its
music, but because of its lyrical approach. If the lyrics would have
been nonsense and absurd, Nuclear Blast's head man would have never
received death threat calls by satanists.
> that lends itself to parody... i find most black metal
> tuneless, but horde are exceedingly bad... and someone
> who proclaims it's "a direct response to the satanic black
> metal of the nordic regions" is hardly in it for the art.
In my opinion, Horde is excellent. Likes and tastes differ. For
example, some people hated 'Transylvanian Hunger', yet some loved it.
It depends and it all relative. I know of some satanists that like the
sound of Horde. They do not give Horde a 5/5, yet a 4/5. But of
course, they hate the lyrics. In my case, I love the lyrics and then
I love the sound of Horde. My opinion of course. I would say that we
cannot make a final judgement on Horde until a second album comes out.
It has not always been perfect for Darkthrone and you all know this.
Up to now, there is a great controversy of whether Horde is good or
not.
Darkthrone, Burzum, Satyricon, etc might be very talented bands, but
at the end they belong to the same crap and junk. As long as they serve
the devil their music will never be truly good.
George,
>
> clive
Philip Wang
>
> It is unjust for me to say that secular bands are satanic. It is not
>true in some cases. However, I have had all the albums by
>Amorphis (I sold them). As far as I am concerned, Priviledge of Evil
>had lyrical segments of satanic order.
"Priviledge Of Evil" is barely even acknowledged by Amorphis themselves. This
was clearly before they established their own identity (Tales From The
Thousand Lakes and Elegy) and being just a demo and an early recording means
very little. Primus's guitar player was founder of one of the earliest black
metal bands and no one calls Primus being Satanic or anything.
> Even though their lyrical
>as well as their musical approach shifted after this demo release
>becoming more of a death-doom band with lyrics referring to finnish
>traditions, they have not ceased to be incompatible when faced with
>the Holy Scriptures.
You say that as if it were a bad thing.
The Bible is a book. A good book. But it is not the only book.
Just remember that the first time the Bible was translated to English the
guy who did it was burned at the stake for corrupting the Scriptures yet
subsequent translations to English used the first one as a basis and a
starting point.
> They refer more to the time of ignorant worship
>to pagan gods and morality based on conscience only.
>
I consider ignorant worship of one god who doesn't seem to be as much help to
humankind as he is given credit for and morality based NOT on conscience
(what is conscience but an instinctual sense of honour) but on rules set by
a clerical government just to maintain their position of power to be far
worse (many of the moral codes that the Bible establishes are not at all
unique to the Bible and exist in almost every religion).
>I think Paramaecium has their unique style going. Anyone playing music
>gets some influence of what is out there. Any type of music has certain
>characteristics that make it what it is. The music of Paramaecium is
>excellent. They play in top dark clubs in Australia (Weird names, I
>can't remember) ith the message of Jesus Christ.
Dark music for dark clubs. It's only natural.
>A band which I did not mention was Schaliach. Their sound is very
>Norwegian. The cover of the CD is very Norwegian. Everything is very
>Norwegian because they are Norwegian, yet their lyrics are from Heaven.
>It would make sense if you could discern how absurd and nonsensical
>satanism is.
Not any more or less absurd than Christianity or any other belief. (Sciences
included.) Religion stemmed from the natural tendency to attribute a
mysterious occurrence to one or more mysterious and intangible beings with
mysterious and incomprehensible power until a better and more understandable
solution presented itself.
> The release by Horde is is not only great because of its
>music, but because of its lyrical approach. If the lyrics would have
>been nonsense and absurd, Nuclear Blast's head man would have never
>received death threat calls by satanists.
You must have misunderstood the reason for the death threats. It wasn't
because Horde's message was so eloquent or thought provoking. It is
because Christian metal in general tend to be commercial jingles and the
product is God and Christianity. The non Christian bands on the label are
not selling their own religious beliefs or anything. (Of course many of the
non Christian bands feel the same way about Satanist bands who do the exact
same thing more or less as often as the Christian bands they disparage.)
>
>In my opinion, Horde is excellent. Likes and tastes differ. For
>example, some people hated 'Transylvanian Hunger', yet some loved it.
>It depends and it all relative. I know of some satanists that like the
>sound of Horde. They do not give Horde a 5/5, yet a 4/5.
Well, Horde's sound is very similar to Darkthrone, and seeing as how Darkthrone
is one of the most popular black metal bands around it is easy to see why
people would like the sound of Horde. The problem here is that many bands that
are officially "Christian bands" (as opposed to bands such as Iron Maiden,
Black Sabbath, and Helloween who are secular bands composed of band members
who are Christians) have little or no originality and copy the sound of
bands who are well established in order to break into those markets.
> But of
>course, they hate the lyrics.
The style itself was based on being anti-Christian. Horde's lyrics are taken
as an insult, parodying black metal and debasing it. This isn't a band of
Christians playing this music because of their enjoyment of it. It's a band
of Christians playing the music because they hate the people playing it
already and they want to mock them.
> In my case, I love the lyrics and then
>I love the sound of Horde. My opinion of course. I would say that we
>cannot make a final judgement on Horde until a second album comes out.
You could say that about any band.
>It has not always been perfect for Darkthrone and you all know this.
Of course not. Well, Darkthrone isn't entirely free from blame because while
Horde might be mimicking Darkthrone, Darkthrone is sort of cloning Celtic
Frost but the difference is that Horde mocks a leader of black metal and
Darkthrone is paying tribute to a band that has changed music history.
>Up to now, there is a great controversy of whether Horde is good or
>not.
There is no controversy because there is no grey area. It's a very distinct
"I like / don't like them."
> Darkthrone, Burzum, Satyricon, etc might be very talented bands, but
>at the end they belong to the same crap and junk. As long as they serve
>the devil their music will never be truly good.
To say that you must have not listened to Burzum or Satyricon because of the
three you mention only Darkthrone has Satanic lyrics. The only Satanic lyrics
Count Grishnackh has really written were all written for Darkthrone. Burzum
has fantasy lyrics. All storytelling. The only way one would really know that
Burzum is anti-Christian is through Count Grishnackh's interviews. (Though of
course he contradicts himself very often so that's not entirely reliable. He
did mention he was affiliated with the KKK, which is a strongly Christian
group and it is highly unlikely that such devoutly Christian people as the KKK
would admit a known Christian church burner and defiler as a member. (Whether
or not the KKK are "good Christians" or not is not relevant here. Regardless
of what the Christian community thinks of the KKK, they are still at least
self-regarded as a Christian group. Idon't have much respect for the Count as
a person but you do mislabel him and you base your arguments on a mistake which
sort of devalues your arguments.) He does not worship Satan. Past interviews
suggest he worships no gods at all but if he were to, he would worship the old
Norse gods. Satyricon is composed of nature worshippers and patriots. If
Christians consider worshipping nature and feeling good about where one comes
from to be Satanism then there is something wrong with the religion.
You should be able to determine what music is good and what isn't without
divine intervention. Just like people have different tastes, gods have
different tastes too. Are you going to like a band just because God says
he likes the band? That hardly seems to be any better than liking a band
just because all your friends do.
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CHRIST SODOMIZER
George Li Tsai <tsa...@er4.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>They refer more to the time of ignorant worship
>to pagan gods and morality based on conscience only.
Yes, in the age before Christianity when things had more relevance to
human life.
GOAT
CHRIST SODOMIZER
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Philip Wang
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most inopportune time (midterm week for CS department personnel plus deadlines
for projects).
But they're working on it.
In article <541988$i...@jerry.loop.net>, CHRIST SODOMIZER <go...@anus.com> wrote:
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>GOAT
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