Lyrics: I Cum Blood By Cannibal Corpse (Ok You pissed me off pat)
Jolly Spamhead
st...@XSPAMguitarsMAPSX.powernet.co.uk (Steve Cobham) wrote:
>On Thu, 13 May 1999 22:00:46 +1000, "Patrick" <patr...@one.net.au>
>wrote:
>
>>I know I will regret asking this:
>>
>>
>>Are these the lyrics to a song by a group paid to perform? Where do they
>>come from, how long have the been performing in public, and what are the
>>album/s name/s.
>>
>>I'm probably getting old (or maybe there is some ironic aspect or parody
>>that I'm missing here +).
>>
>>
>>Any response from anyone would be enlightening.
>
>Well, FWIW, I don't think it's any sort of parody. I've heard of the
>band and they seem to be for real. And, yes, people perform this stuff
>and get paid to do so - sometimes quite handsomely.
>
Bullshit Cannibal Corpse makes just as much money as my garbage
man.....which is a crying shame since they are very talented! Esp the
bass player Alex Webster!
>No doubt someone will come up with some bullshit explanation about how
>meaningful it is.
>
Damn Straight! Death metal or Punk Or Reggae is the way to go now with
Mainstream music going down the drain. I rather listen to a real metal
band than some confused hip-hopers with a effects chain as long as the
dead body count in colorado and with that annoying singer of
their's, just makes me wanna punch out just about every 1:10 kids at
the mall who feel's the need to wear this band's tshirt and Adidas
pants like its a uniform or something. Those kids should go listen to
some real rap like KRS1 or the early NWA records or Death Row shit,
not this surburban white boy rap pretty fly for a white guy wanna be a
heavy metal band because I have a 7-string poser crap!.
>It just sounds like someone has written the lyrics to shock by using
>as much bad language and gory imagery as they can.
>
Well I find it shocking that mainstream music sucks now compared to
let's say the early 90's! Great music is being made, but the general
public doesn't seem to hear it, because the public doesn't look hard
enough to discover it. For example If the media knew about bands like
Mayhem and Corpse and Filth, do you think Manson would have been
blaimed for those shootings? Nope, Manson, Korn, and Deftones are
suppose to the be the heaviest bands on the planet, so oh well let the
idots still be in the dark! What's gory and sick nowadays is going
to a record shop and looking at what lack of musical talent is on
the top 40 wall makes me wanna just puke all over N-Sync, more than
any lyric Chris Barnes has ever wrote for corpse.
>I can imagine the music - detuned bass and guitar, power chords and a
>singer who sounds as if he's gargled on a mixture of battery acid and
>drain cleaner whilst having a circumcision performed without
>anaesthetic. I doubt that you'd be able to tell what he's singing -
>hence the lyrics.
>
Nope you can train your ear to understand Chris if you listen to this
type of music alot, hence Deicide, Death, Crown Of Thorns, Cradle Of
Filth. Now since the lyrics come with the cd, you can just follow
along with the booklet (Like the bouncing ball back in grammer
school, when you weren't so closeminded and ignorant), or just go back
and practice your crappy version of Closing Time for the 100th time
through your crate 15 watt practice amp with your squier guitar
....Keep trying its not hard bub!
>Shocking people is fine, using bad language and gory words is fine,
>metal is fine, of whatever genre, but let's have some originality fer
>chrissakes.
>
Hmm,the intro to Hammer Smashed Face was listed in guitar one mag as
#4 of the heaviest guitar rifsf of all time, well that's not saying
much since Korn's ADIDAS bullshit riff was also in the top ten. At
least one editor has/had good taste in heavy music (They probly fired
him for giving a 1/4 page to a real metal band, u know it takes up
space for the real "Metal bands" like Korn and Manson). Corpse's music
isn't bullshit nor a joke, the lyrics are about what this world has
become, and doesn't skip to the point in doing so....Child Pedophiles,
Neo-Nazi's, Violence, Fucking your gf with a knife, then cutting out
the vagina and eatting it (That really happened a few years back out
west somewhere) One thing that is funny is how the media blamed death
metal music like "Marilyn Hanson" to be the cause of the shootings in
colorado. Im glad real Death Metal didn't take the heat, and never
will because death metal is for people who "want" to listen to it, not
bash it.
>
>>"I smoke 2 joints in the morning"
>>"I smoke 2 joints at night"
>>"I smoke 2 joints in the afternoon"
>>"It makes me feel alright"
>
>I'd like to add that that much dope smoked regularly will probably
>screw your timing right up.
>
Na, im into reggae now, so the dope fits in just fine....thank you
nitwit drive through!
traubenberg seth ala
> enough to discover it. For example If the media knew about bands like
> Mayhem and Corpse and Filth, do you think Manson would have been
> blaimed for those shootings? Nope, Manson, Korn, and Deftones are
If the media wanted to, they could do a little digging and find such bands
as Cradle of Filth and Cannibal Corpse and attempt to blame them for all
of society's evils. However, neither of those bands (or most others like
them) have grabbed the spotlight quit like Manson and Korn (and so on...).
Face it, whether you like the music or not, Marilyn Manson is, for the
most part, a household name nowadays. Every concerned parent knows who he
is and has a vague (and usually incorrect) notion of what the music is
about. That's why the media chooses those bands, most people are familiar
with them. BUt why are most people familiar with Manson, because of all
the media attention. It's a vicious cycle, but it's also fairly
intriguing.
Cannibal Corpse will never get that sort of attention. They don't have
the means (currently) to break into the cycle. They DON'T draw media
attention because no one knows who they are because they don't get media
because no one knows them because...you see? Sure, they have their fans,
and more power to 'em.
I just hope the media never find Brujeria. Mantando Gueros, indeed.
> idots still be in the dark! What's gory and sick nowadays is going
> to a record shop and looking at what lack of musical talent is on
> the top 40 wall makes me wanna just puke all over N-Sync, more than
You can't even call NSync/Backstreet/98 Degrees music groups. No one
plays a damned instrument! Samples, loops, and drum machines. Maybe they
have vocal ability (not the words, the actual ability to sound notes
clearly and precisely), but that isn't what they are selling. The record
labels are selling image. A bunch of (supposedly) attractive guys, each
with a slightly different look. At least one in the bunch has to appeal
to a part of the audience, and together they draw the crowds. I don't
think anyone actually likes the "music".
> and practice your crappy version of Closing Time for the 100th time
> through your crate 15 watt practice amp with your squier guitar
> ....Keep trying its not hard bub!
Hey! It's a Marshall, not a Crate.
> >Shocking people is fine, using bad language and gory words is fine,
> >metal is fine, of whatever genre, but let's have some originality fer
> >chrissakes.
What is essentially underground (non-mainstream) metal (Corpse and
whatnot) tends to be more original than 95% of Top 40 stuff. The bands
even look all the same nowadays. (See above listing of boy-toy groups.)
At any rate, I ought to go back to work.
ST
Steve Cobham
wrote:
>enough to discover it. For example If the media knew about bands like
>Mayhem and Corpse and Filth, do you think Manson would have been
>blaimed for those shootings? Nope, Manson, Korn, and Deftones are
>suppose to the be the heaviest bands on the planet, so oh well let the
>idots still be in the dark! What's gory and sick nowadays is going
>to a record shop and looking at what lack of musical talent is on
>the top 40 wall makes me wanna just puke all over N-Sync, more than
>any lyric Chris Barnes has ever wrote for corpse.
>>I can imagine the music - detuned bass and guitar, power chords and a
>>singer who sounds as if he's gargled on a mixture of battery acid and
>>drain cleaner whilst having a circumcision performed without
>>anaesthetic. I doubt that you'd be able to tell what he's singing -
>>hence the lyrics.
>>
>Nope you can train your ear to understand Chris if you listen to this
>type of music alot, hence Deicide, Death, Crown Of Thorns, Cradle Of
>Filth. Now since the lyrics come with the cd, you can just follow
>along with the booklet (Like the bouncing ball back in grammer
>school, when you weren't so closeminded and ignorant), or just go back
>and practice your crappy version of Closing Time for the 100th time
>through your crate 15 watt practice amp with your squier guitar
>....Keep trying its not hard bub!
>>Shocking people is fine, using bad language and gory words is fine,
>>metal is fine, of whatever genre, but let's have some originality fer
>>chrissakes.
>>
>Hmm,the intro to Hammer Smashed Face was listed in guitar one mag as
>#4 of the heaviest guitar rifsf of all time, well that's not saying
>much since Korn's ADIDAS bullshit riff was also in the top ten. At
>least one editor has/had good taste in heavy music (They probly fired
>him for giving a 1/4 page to a real metal band, u know it takes up
>space for the real "Metal bands" like Korn and Manson). Corpse's music
>isn't bullshit nor a joke, the lyrics are about what this world has
>become, and doesn't skip to the point in doing so....Child Pedophiles,
>Neo-Nazi's, Violence, Fucking your gf with a knife, then cutting out
>the vagina and eatting it (That really happened a few years back out
>west somewhere) One thing that is funny is how the media blamed death
>metal music like "Marilyn Hanson" to be the cause of the shootings in
>colorado. Im glad real Death Metal didn't take the heat, and never
>will because death metal is for people who "want" to listen to it, not
>bash it.
>>
>>>"I smoke 2 joints in the morning"
>>>"I smoke 2 joints at night"
>>>"I smoke 2 joints in the afternoon"
>>>"It makes me feel alright"
>>
>>I'd like to add that that much dope smoked regularly will probably
>>screw your timing right up.
>>
>Na, im into reggae now, so the dope fits in just fine....thank you
>nitwit drive through!
I rest my case..........
Steve.
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mentioned thier name in a Senate session for some reason (most likely
related to warning labels on albums) and their sales tripled and now they
are the highest charting death metal band of all time.
Chip of Known Space
wrote:
>space for the real "Metal bands" like Korn and Manson). Corpse's music
>isn't bullshit nor a joke, the lyrics are about what this world has
>become, and doesn't skip to the point in doing so....Child Pedophiles,
>Neo-Nazi's, Violence, Fucking your gf with a knife, then cutting out
>the vagina and eatting it (That really happened a few years back out
So, is this a good thing or a bad thing?
Chip McDonald
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svein
Jolly Spamhead wrote:
> For example If the media knew about bands like
> Mayhem and Corpse and Filth, do you think Manson would have been
> blaimed for those shootings?
read this:
by Tina Potterf
(First appeared in The Rocket magazine, 11/5/97)
Did Death Metal Murder Frances Wall?
Please don't hurt me. I have four babies at home. Don't kill me!
Please!" Donna Ream screamed, but her cries for help went unheard.
Paralyzed from fear and nearly incapacitated--her skull, hands and
arms were crushed--blood poured from her ears, eyes and nose. "That's
my blood," she thought. Five minutes later, she was near death. Her
co-worker, Frances Wall, lay nearby, her brains bashed in, her body
riddled with stab wounds, steeping in her own blood.
In 10 minutes' time, the lives of Ream, Wall and their attackers were
forever transformed. Unbeknownst to all involved, the crime would also
change the face of the music industry, casting long shadows over the
genre known as death metal and raising serious questions about extreme
music: Can it push listeners over the edge? Who is responsible if it
does?
It was just before 11pm, April 10, 1994. Ream and Wall, both 28, were
finishing their pre-close duties at the Dari Mart convenience store in
the working-class sprawl of north Eugene. Wall was restocking
beverages in the cooler while Ream prepared to close down the cash
register. Three teens, Michael Hayward, Jason Brumwell and Daniel Paul
Rabago, came banging through a wooden door and into the shabby store.
Hayward walked straight back into the cooler while Rabago and Brumwell
shuffled about nervously in front, watching Ream. Without warning,
Brumwell pulled a metal bar from his sweat pants and raised it over
his head, ready to strike Ream. "Open the cash register," he demanded.
"I'm not going to hurt you. Just give me the money and don't even
think about screaming."
Ream opened the till. Brumwell reached in and grabbed a fistful of
bills, handing the cash and the metal bar to his accomplice Rabago,
telling him to stand guard while he checked the back room. Within a
minute, Brumwell returned from the cooler with Hayward following
behind. Hayward's pasty face was ashy and spattered with blood.
"Don't hurt me, please don't hurt me," Ream cried as Hayward and
Brumwell approached.
"We're not going to," Brumwell assured, telling her that they were
going to tie her up and put her in the back room. Realizing they
didn't have rope, Ream began to flail at them.
"You fucker, you fucker!" Ream howled as Brumwell began striking her
with the bar. "You promised not to hurt me!"
"Can't you kill her? Why can't you kill her?" Hayward taunted
Brumwell. "I killed the other one. Can't you even kill a woman?"
Perturbed, Hayward joined in the beating, kicking Ream in the face as
she lay bleeding. Hayward demanded that Brumwell take the knife and
finish the job.
When Brumwell refused, Hayward began stabbing and hitting Ream,
enraged that she "just wouldn't die." Miraculously, Ream, a large,
powerful woman, broke free and fled toward the bathroom.
"Oh, no you don't," Brumwell said, grabbing her arm just as she made
it in the door. Brumwell bull-rushed Ream onto the toilet and resumed
clubbing her in the head. "Die, bitch. Die! Why won't you just die?!"
he screamed, jamming the bar into her mouth, attempting to choke her
but instead knocking out her two front teeth.
Suddenly, a familiar buzz from the front of the store startled the
attackers. Someone else had entered the Dari Mart.
Moments later, Lane County officers were dispatched to 4960 Royal
Avenue. A Dari Mart customer reported seeing blood on the front door.
Initial speculation was robbery. But in the cooler slumped something
much more gruesome than a small-time, small-town robbery: the body of
Frances Wall.
Witnesses reported a second clerk was badly injured but alive, helped
to a neighbor's house by a customer. Police immediately combed the
scene, taking photos and prints from inside the store, but none of the
fingerprints were readable, even those found on the weapon--a
1.7-pound blue metal bar.
The savage nature of this crime rocked Lane County. But even as
evidence mounted, the identities of the perpetrators remained unclear
for weeks. When the names of the suspects hit the streets, residents
in this close-knit community were stunned that these teens might have
been responsible. But the list of "suspects" would not stop with
arrests.
Before the Dari Mart murder/attempted murder would be solved and lives
put back together, this case would take an unexpected turn, with
plaintiffs' attorneys citing the music industry as a contributing
factor in the events that transpired on April 10, 1994. At the heart
of the controversy were death metal music and seminal death metal
bands Cannibal Corpse and Deicide, along with Metal Blade Records,
Roadrunner Music, Sony Entertainment and Distribution and EMI/Virgin.
All were named in a multi-million-dollar civil suit begot by the Dari
Mart crime.
HUNTED DOWN
Beyond the massive amount of blood and sketchy witness reports culled
at the scene, Lane County police had no leads in the days following
the incident. Their biggest break came from Donna Ream who, although
gravely injured, provided police with descriptions for composite
sketches. The suspects were described as Caucasians in their teens or
mid-20s, all having long hair; two were tall and lanky, the third,
stocky with a round face and a gap between his front teeth. Police
were also looking for a fourth suspect, the getaway driver of a car
parked in the field behind the store.
Detectives broadened their investigation, distributing composite
sketches along the I-5 corridor; they took out full-page ads in Eugene
and Portland newspapers and offered a $10,000 reward. Three months
passed. The murderers remained at large.
On July 25, 1994, Detective John Fluke, assigned to the Oregon Gaming
Commission, contacted one of the lead detectives on the Dari Mart
case, Detective R. Roberts, apprising him that an audit revealed a
roll of 200 Oregon State "Money Doubler" Lotto tickets had been stolen
from the Dari Mart on April 10. Roberts pursued the lead, figuring
that if the tickets had been cashed, they might provide police with a
major break. On April 13--just three days after the murder--the first
winner was redeemed.
A few tickets were signed "Mike Haywood." Roberts ran a search on the
name; nothing. He tried different variations. Sure enough, Michael
Hayward, 18, whose Oregon ID showed that he lived in Lane County and
in close proximity to the Dari Mart, surfaced. Police immediately
began tracking Hayward. They got a picture of him and showed it to
Ream, who positively identified him. Police stepped up the
surveillance on August 4, installing a tap on Hayward's phone. Through
the tap, police identified Jason Brumwell, 18, who fit the description
of "Suspect No. 3" and lived just blocks from the Dari Mart. Continued
surveillance led police to Johl Brock, 18, and Daniel Paul Rabago, 16.
On August 11, Brumwell and Rabago were contacted by officers who
photographed them but didn't arrest them. Their photos were then
inserted into two lineups; Ream positively identified both. Three
weeks later, Brock was also positively identified, and on Sept. 3, he
was pulled over by police near his home (driving the white, mid-'80s
Ford Escort identified at the scene) and taken in. Within hours of his
arrest, Brock confessed his involvement. But Brumwell, Hayward and
Rabago left town to go "camping" at a makeshift site in Curtin,
Oregon, south of Eugene. On September 4, Eugene police officers and
the SWAT team converged on the campsite, apprehending the teens and
ending a five-month manhunt.
SEASONS IN THE ABYSS
The teens were charged with aggravated murder, intentional murder,
felony murder, attempted murder, assault, kidnapping and robbery. With
full confessions from all four, clothing fibers and blood specimens
found inside Brock's car, recovered weapons and positive IDs by Ream,
police knew they had their guys. It was now the job of the Lane County
District Attorney's Office to build an airtight case.
The district attorney's office, headed by Bob Gorham and Kent
Mortimore, had two main objectives: try Rabago, a juvenile at the time
of the crime, as an adult and seek the death penalty for Hayward. If
convicted, the others would get life. Initially, even with full
confessions, all entered "not guilty" pleas.
Rabago's case was heard in juvenile court where it was determined that
he was an active participant but wasn't involved in the physical
battery. Even so, Rabago was to be tried as an adult. But James Rice,
Rabago's public defender, struck a plea bargain with the state. His
client copped--changing his plea to "guilty" and turning state's
evidence against the others in turn for a lesser sentence. Rabago was
sentenced to 12-40 years, serving the first years of his sentence at
the McLaren School for Boys in Woodburn. He'll complete his sentence
at the Oregon State Correctional Facility in Salem. Brock also struck
a deal and is serving 40 years to life at Pendleton State Prison.
On Sept. 26, 1995, The State vs. Jason Van Brumwell trial began. After
hearing weeks of testimony, the jury returned guilty verdicts on all
11 counts. On January 1, 1996, Brumwell was sentenced to life in
prison without parole.
With Hayward previously confessing to murder and attempted murder,
prosecutors sought the maximum penalty under Oregon law--death. Jury
selection for Hayward began on October 31, 1995. One month later on
December 1, he was found guilty on all charges. Gorham says that this
case, albeit complex, involved very little legal work. "With the full
confession, the real work came with trying to get the death sentence,"
he explained. "Jurors don't like to sentence people to die." Gorham,
who still keeps photos of what hecalls "those scumbags" on his desk,
accomplished what he set out to do. On March 1, 1996, Michael James
Hayward was sentenced to death.
MASTER OF PUPPETS
With perpetrators behind bars, the media circus that enveloped this
case showed signs of fatigue. But the glare of the spotlight would
once again illuminate Lane County after a multi-million-dollar civil
suit was filed by Donna Ream; at its heart, death metal music and the
conglomerates who distribute it.
Throughout the criminal trials as well as Rabago's juvenile court
hearing, the state's case was underscored by intimations that the
music these teens listened to contributed to or had a causal
relationship with the crime. That music was death metal, a furious
barrage of high speed drums, distorted guitars and howling vocals
usually touching upon death, dismemberment, Satanic imagery and
apocalyptic themes. Death metal is chaos celebrated and nihilism made
real, accompanied by drop-tuned guitars and double-time bass drums.
"I don't see death metal music, any genre of music for that matter,
playing a role in these crimes," Brock's attorney Dan Koenig said. "It
is a prosecution tactic to use whatever you can to blacken the
character and demonize the defendant. By introducing this music into
court, you have something to use prejudicially toward the defendant
and it's easier to get a conviction."
"Death metal music played no significant role in and of itself in
these crimes," Rabago's attorney James Rice said. "I don't believe any
music does. When the state brought this issue up in the juvenile
trial, the judge said, 'Gee, this is all really interesting but it has
nothing to do with this case.' It was simply a tactic the state used
to aggravate an already devastating case."
To dispel the so-called "causal relationship" between the music and
the teens' behavior, Rice called on heavy metal/death metal expert
Deena Weinstein, professor of sociology at DePaul University and rock
critic in Chicago who has extensively researched criminal trials
involving metal music.
"There is no causal relationship between death metal and the behavior
of those who listen to this music or any other genre for that matter,"
Weinstein says. "No cause and effect relationship has ever been proven
to exist."
But no matter how well-reasoned the defense experts' testimony was and
no matter how absurd it seems to attempt to try and convict an entire
genre of music, no amount of logic could counter the words of the
defendants themselves. "I did it in the essence of Glen Benton and
Chris Barnes," Rabago bragged during his interrogation. Police didn't
have to ask who Rabago was talking about--he offered it up. Benton was
singer for Deicide. Barnes sang for Cannibal Corpse. This was the
remark that launched Ream's civil suit, headed by her attorney,
Karsten Rasmussen.
Between September 4 and 6, 1994, Lane County detectives requested a
separate search warrant to look for items to corroborate the death
metal implication. Police impounded a veritable mountain of tapes,
CDs, band photos and Satanic literature, the majority from Brumwell's
home. Nearly 100 pieces of music by the likes of Malevolent Creation,
Sepultura, Obituary, Deicide, Cannibal Corpse, Immolation and Napalm
Death were confiscated. Even Metallica and Megadeth T-shirts were
seized. The "evidence" --entered into the criminal trials--provided
the grist for Ream's $10-million civil suit. Each member of Cannibal
Corpse and Deicide was named in the suit, as was Corpse's label, Metal
Blade; Deicide's label, Roadrunner; Sony Entertainment and
Distribution-- even a Eugene record store for peddling the music.
Specifically, the members of Cannibal Corpse and Deicide were cited
for being "grossly negligent and reckless" in encouraging the sale of
the death metal music when they knew it advocated violence against
people. Further, the suit alleges, bands were targeting the sale and
distribution of their music toward young men prone to violence.
When all of the summons were served, the legal wrangling began.
Corporate giants Sony Music and EMI-Virgin Songs were dismissed after
they made it clear they wouldn't pay a dime and would keep the case
tied up in court "for a very long time." That left the little
guys--the parents of the defendants, Roadrunner, Metal Blade and the
bands themselves. What sets this case apart from similar suits filed
against metal bands--including Ozzy Osborne's numerous litigation
battles, the highly publicized Judas Priest case and various suits
filed against Slayer, Ministry, Sepultura, GWAR and even
Silverchair--is the unprecedented outcome. With little publicity and
lacking huge defense budgets, both Metal Blade and Roadrunner settled
out of court and paid money to Ream. By the end, Ream collected more
than $1 million, a stunning defeat for the music industry and a
devastating blow to the death metal genre and controversial artists
everywhere.
"Sony and EMI aren't paying attention to the music they are putting
out," Rasmussen says now, still fuming over the big fish that got
away. "They're just trying to make money without looking at the
issues. I wish Sony and EMI would care more about what kind of product
is being put out and pushed by their labels."
"I'm not able to discuss any information or make any comment regarding
Sony Music or any of our label clients," says Carey Parks, process
specialist for the Prentice-Hall Corporation, which handles the
label's legal affairs. "I can't even confirm that Sony is a client. I
can't even confirm if we are a legal firm." EMI-Virgin Songs did not
return phone calls.
Roadrunner, Metal Blade and Cannibal Corpse all acknowledge that a
"nominal sum" was paid, but none will specify how much. One source
close to the case reported that Roadrunner alone paid more than
$300,000. Officially, Roadrunner won't comment on the case, only
issuing a terse statement: "The lawsuit...was settled... for a very
nominal sum...based upon the fact that the cost of settlement was many
times less than the cost of defending the action. The settlement
documents provide that the settlement was expressly not an admission
of guilt."
The teens' parents, save for Brumwell's who were dismissed, were also
found liable, but the majority of the restitution was paid by the
record labels. This May, Daniel Wall, Frances Wall's widower, filed a
wrongful death suit naming many of the same defendants as named in
Ream's case, including Cannibal Corpse, Deicide and Sony Music. While
portions of the Wall case are still pending, settlements have been
reached with some record label defendants. Robert Ackerman, Wall's
attorney, says that he is in contact with Sony Music and intends to
proceed with action if a settlement can't be reached. Members of
Cannibal Corpse have yet to be served because they can't be located,
Ackerman adds.
For Ream's attorney, Rasmussen, there is no question that Cannibal
Corpse, Deicide and their labels played some role in the Dari Mart
murder/attempted murder. "We went back to the transcripts and the
evidence from the criminal case, looking specifically at what parties
we thought were involved," Rasmussen explains. "We looked at the CDs
that the perpetrators listened to and figured out what ones we thought
were involved...then we sued all of the perpetrators, their families
and various parties in the music industry. We based our conclusion on
the defendants' testimony on the music they listened to as well as the
fact that they listened to Deicide in a church parking lot just hours
before the crime."
But what if the savagery of the Dari Mart crimes remained the same but
the genre of music the perpetrators listened to was country or Top 40?
Would any correlation have been brought into court? Or, are the
negative connotations elicited by the term "death metal" making a
music genre prominent targets for litigation? Rasmussen notes that not
all speech is protected under the Constitution. "I'm a great believer
in free speech," he argues. "But I'm also a believer in being
responsible for what you say or do. Harmful speech is not protected
under the First Amendment. No one is saying that these artists should
be prevented from making this music, but they need to wake up. This
music is vile; it's far beyond what most people, including me, know as
part of the music industry. However, if I stand up in a darkened room
and yell 'Fire,' it doesn't matter if I intended to do that as a joke
or not; it matters what the reaction is...."
REIGN IN BLOOD
"If I had to describe us one way, in two words, death metal, without a
doubt," George "Corpse Grinder" Fisher, lead singer of Buffalo, New
York's Cannibal Corpse says. Though not in the band when the Dari Mart
murder occurred, Fisher doesn't shy from the controversy. "I think
that there are a lot of bands in this genre who are like, 'We don't
want to be labeled.' But we are death metal. There's no other way to
put it. The music has gotten faster and sicker and I can't think of
another way I'd like to be called. We're singing about a lot of death,
so the title fits the name."
Fisher maintains that Cannibal Corpse's most vocal detractors don't
understand the band's music. "Death metal is a real extreme form of
music, with pretty extreme subjects and a lot of people just don't
understand it," he says. "Some of our songs in the past, about rape
and serial murders, we've gotten a lot of flak for, but we're normal
guys; we don't go out and commit all of these heinous acts. We lead
normal lives and we just happen to be playing the most extreme form of
music on the planet. It is America and we can say what we feel."
"There is no question that these guys were trying to emulate the acts
described in the music of Cannibal Corpse and Deicide," Rasmussen
says. "This music is influential; it's targeted at young, angry males,
ages 15-22 and a very high number of these 'angry' young men are drug
users. You put their anger and drug abuse together with this music and
you've got a very volatile mixture."
Fisher contends that Corpse's fans know the difference between fantasy
and reality; but, he acknowledges the possibility that some fans may
take the lyrics to heart and entertain criminal thoughts or suicidal
tendencies--but not based solely on the music. "There is a possibility
that our music could drive people to do something. They could be
listening to it at home and then just snap, but I think that something
is wrong with them besides us; although someone could use our music as
the breaking point," Fisher admits. "Some people may be warped in the
head and hear our music and think 'wow, he's talking to me.' But that
can happen with any kind of music."
Tampa, Florida is the birth place of death metal, a genre and scene
pioneered and defined in the '80s by bands like Death, Malevolent
Creation and Obituary. Today in Lane County--thanks to the civil
trial--Deicide are as well-known as the latest pop star climbing the
Billboard charts.
Formed in Tampa in 1987, Deicide initially represented the extreme of
a burgeoning death metal scene, a band infamous for outrageous stage
antics, full-on spike armor and hurling buckets of cat livers and guts
on the audience to drum up participation. Deicide have been besieged
with death threats and hate mail. They've had live shows banned and
even endured bomb scares since their inception. That coupled with
frontman Glen Benton's self-professed disdain for God, veneration of
Satan and 6-inch inverted cross branded on his forehead made them one
of the most profitable yet unnerving acts in the genre. Lately though,
Benton hasn't been so high-profile. Deicide declined an interview with
The Rocket and a Roadrunner publicist admitted that Deicide won't even
talk to the label. Previous comments by Benton have strongly suggested
that violence against people, Christians particularly, is condonable.
"I've learned one thing; arguing with a Christian doesn't get you
anywhere," Benton explained in a 1995 interview with RIP magazine.
"I'd rather resort to violence because argument is hopeless."
Some of Deicide's most outspoken critics have targeted the subject
matter depicted in the band's lyrics, which have been deemed
misogynistic, cannibalistic, suicidal, apocalyptic and graphically
violent.
"I'm not out there making myself a target. As far as showing my hatred
for God, I do it on my time. I don't go out and kill people and then
use it in interviews," Benton told RIP writer Steffan Chirazi. "I keep
it to myself. My mother didn't raise a fucking idiot. She taught me
early on that silence is the fucking golden key. Going around tellin'
people what I've done isn't smart."
Benton's approach to songwriting is rooted in hate, renouncing all
social mores. This was part of the appeal for these Lane County teens.
By most accounts, all four repudiated their family's push for
evangelical Christianity. Prosecutors believed that Hayward, Brumwell
and Rabago saw dropping out of school and being unemployed as direct
slaps in the faces of their working-class parents. But were they
emulating Deicide when they drove to the Dari Mart, howling the lyrics
to "When Satan Rules This World"?
"These guys had an alternative lifestyle and the four of them got
together probably because they all had and shared negative past
experiences," Rabago's attorney, James Rice, explains. "Satanism and
this music was a small part of this lifestyle which I viewed as more
of a rejection of the fundamental Christian background these guys came
from. They had long hair, didn't work and this music was their lives."
SOUTH OF HEAVEN
"It was the night of the attack, just after 11pm and Daniel came in. I
was sitting in the dark watching the news and the Dari Mart story came
on," recalls Natalie Bustamante, Rabago's mother. "Daniel kneeled down
next to me and put his head in my lap and told me he loved me and that
he felt I was the only one who ever really loved him. I hadn't heard
that from him in a long time. But besides that night, nothing was
unusual about Daniel's behavior that would lead me to believe he was
involved."
Daniel Rabago was bright and sensitive but also troubled, harboring
deep depression that manifested in his early teens. He contemplated
suicide several times.
"Daniel would talk to me often about being unhappy all the time and he
just felt that nothing was going to get better in life," Bustamante
says. "When he started to talk about suicide, I told him this is the
time to talk to someone, to get some help, but he refused. He
eventually got some help from our pastor, but it didn't seem too
successful."
Bustamante maintains that her son was not a Satanist as investigators
and the DA's office had said throughout the criminal trials. But she
admits that her son did look into Satanism just weeks prior to the
Dari Mart attack.
"Once I found a suitcase with a Satanic Bible and black candles in it
and I confronted Daniel," she continues. "I told him that I was going
to burn it if he didn't get it out of this house. Daniel and the boys
may have thought Satanism was intriguing and after the crime they may
have talked about it more but they weren't Satanists."
Unlike Rabago, Johl Brock was not deemed a depressed teen. Rabago and
Brock were by all accounts the closest of the four. They formed
Sufferance, a garage death metal outfit that grew to include Brock's
brother and Michael Hayward. His parents were upper-middle class,
religious people, very involved in their children's lives. And they
disapproved of their son's long hair, all-black attire and
"Satanic-related" paraphernalia, namely the Satanic Bible that Brock
was seen with by peers.
It was at North Eugene High School where Brock gained a reputation for
casting "spells" on people. A friend of Brock's told Eugene's Register
Guard that Brock often passed out copies of the Satanic Bible and had
put a curse on him and another friend, saying they'd both be run over
by a bus.
Michael Hayward was a fragile, reticent teen, the son of working class
parents; a teen subsumed by death metal, video games and drugs, mainly
marijuana and LSD. In 1992, Hayward dropped out of North Eugene High,
and of the teens; he was the only one with a criminal record--he
vandalized a convenience store while on LSD.
During the trial, Asst. DA Gorham painted Hayward to be the most
ruthless of the group, a teen he calls "stupid and amoral, totally
without ambition; someone who even failed miserably as a small-time
drug pusher."
Jason Brumwell was the surly, intimidating one of the group, his bulky
stature, brazen tone and penetrating gaze unnerved neighbors, but his
bond with the other teens was immutable. Brumwell lived in a run-down
house in the lower-working-class section of Lane County. Neighbors
frequently saw the teens coming and going, cloaked in black and
partying into the night, but aside from the parties, they said, the
teens kept to themselves.
...AND JUSTICE FOR ALL
In 1984, Oregon voters reinstated the death penalty. Presently, 21
people--all convicted murderers--are on death row, sentenced to die by
lethal injection. Hayward is the youngest death row inmate in Oregon's
history. While his execution could come at any time, it'll likely be
several years of appeals before he dies.
Brumwell will never rejoin society, relegated to spend the rest of his
life in prison without parole. Rabago and Brock, however, will be
released at relatively young ages. Rabago will be released in 2007.
Brock will be eligible for parole shortly thereafter. Both will be
released in their early 30s.
Rabago's mother grapples with the reality that her son will forever be
branded a murderer. "It's going to be very difficult for Daniel to
have a normal life," she says. "I don't even know if he will survive
the adult prison system. He's so small, so frail." She believes that
her son has "changed," having recently "found God."
For her part, Donna Ream has begun to piece her life back together.
She has moved from Eugene and her attorney now says she is busy
recuperating and raising her four children.
For the music industry, the ramifications of these civil suits
legitimizes the contention that artists are culpable for their "art"
and must own up to potentially dire consequences if they choose to
push free speech to its capacity. The Dari Mart suit not only
established this legal precedent but, in effect, outlawed an entire
genre without due process--now and forever. In the future, this case
will serve as an example and a boon for politicizing efforts to ban
"controversial" artists, impose penalties on distributors who sell
such art and, ultimately, censure the individuals disseminating
"messages" to people with a propensity for violent role-playing. For
their part, labels will become ever more reluctant to sign bands who
are high-risk factors in an attempt to offset expensive liability
insurance.
The Dari Mart still operates in Eugene. The store is still run-down
and tired. Inside, the manager takes quick offense at a reporter's
questions. The cooler door is closed. Twelve-packs are on special. Not
much has changed. The trickle of customers and the steady equations of
day-in, day-out commerce are as they have always been.
Outside the store, everything has changed. Lives have been shattered
and finally, pieces are beginning to be glued together. Debts are
being paid. Judgments are coming due.
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Joost de Heer
:Ummm.... They did get *some* media attention a few years ago. Bob Dole
:mentioned thier name in a Senate session for some reason (most likely
:related to warning labels on albums) and their sales tripled and now they
:are the highest charting death metal band of all time.
Plus they appeared in 'Ace Ventura - Pet Detective' with Hammer Smashed Face.
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They are the first death metal band to do that.
But still can't stand the new singer.
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corpsegrinder
> Mayhem and Corpse and Filth, do you think Manson would have been
> space for the real "Metal bands" like Korn and Manson). Corpse's music
> isn't bullshit nor a joke, the lyrics are about what this world has
> become, and doesn't skip to the point in doing so....Child Pedophiles,
> Neo-Nazi's, Violence, Fucking your gf with a knife, then cutting out
> the vagina and eatting it (That really happened a few years back out
> metal music like "Marilyn Hanson" to be the cause of the shootings in
> colorado. Im glad real Death Metal didn't take the heat, and never
> will because death metal is for people who "want" to listen to it, not
> bash it.
> >
> >>"I smoke 2 joints in the morning"
> >>"I smoke 2 joints at night"
> >>"I smoke 2 joints in the afternoon"
> >>"It makes me feel alright"
> >
> >I'd like to add that that much dope smoked regularly will probably
> >screw your timing right up.
> >
> Na, im into reggae now, so the dope fits in just fine....thank you
> nitwit drive through!
>
to back jolly. death metal has alot of talented people playing in its
genre. to not respect the music is pure stupidity. to name a few:
gene hoglan - death,SYL arguably one of the best there is
chuck shulder - death
everyone in at the gates. killer shit from sweden
alex webster - c.c.
chris barns - c.c.
steve ashime(spelling?) - deicide
dave lombardo - slayer,grip inc.
everyone in suffocation
just because the average shmo has the music comprehension of a 2 year
old dont give them the right to say anything bad about this genre. if
you look at top 40, what does the average song sound like? i would
compare it to 3 grade math. easy to understand. the majority of top 40
listeners never got musically educated, thats not to say that there
arent musically educated people that find top 40 ok. im just saying
average. so where do most of the average people spend thier dollars on
music, stuff thats easy to understand. they never look outside the scope
because they dont understand the feeling or the music. let them stay
there, and the people who do understand whats going on can enjoy the
good stuff. i will agree that death metal IS an aquired taste, its not
for the average person. but it has some of the most raw emotion that i
have personally felt. to play a carcass or canibal corpse song is fun
for me, the structures of the songs feel right when played. they are
much more complex than the average top 40. rightfully so because the
musician's are A) self motivated because the love to play(not by making
money/fame) B)have at the very least least a smigion of real talent.
One can say that c.c. has "shocker" lyrics, not true. they only
expose the mental breakdown of severly disturbed individuals that roam
this earth. bringing them to light. there is no falseness in thier
statements of these sick individuals, go read up on some mass murder
books and the like and you will see where they get alot of thier ideas
from.
As for the heaviest bands around. Any thing that Korn, Marilyn Manson,
etc.. puts out IMO sucks, and should be disregarded as "death Metal",
because its not. if you have listened to death metal for years as i
have, you begin to feel the presence of genuine feeling, rather than,
cash in the pocket. black metal bands go even further(the ones that
didnt sell out). like emporer, marduk, sword master, disection, etc...
the way these guys sing, holy shit. talk about feeling. this is all
coupled with mystic mythology and folklore style riffing. it ends up
sounds extremly evil. whoa! hats off!
so for any of you who cant "grasp" the concept of this kind of music,
whell i guess you miss out.
corpse
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> As for the heaviest bands around. Any thing that Korn, Marilyn Manson,
>etc.. puts out IMO sucks, and should be disregarded as "death Metal",
>because its not.
well.... anyone who puts Korn, Manson, Deftones in the death metal
genre is basically unaware of heavy music in general. Death metal is
Cannibal Corpse, Death (what's in a name), Morbid Angel, Obituary,
Altar and numerous other bands. I personally enjoy Korn and Deftones a
lot, but I also like to listen to some death metal from time to time.
And those asswipes saying that Manson encourages kids into satanism
and that violence shit, BULLSHIT!!!! Listen to some real death/black
metal bands. They openly say that stuff, not hidden in some lyrics,
which, when played back reversed, have some said-to-be satanic
message.
well.... just my $0.02...
greetz,
Hillie
SlackGal
Ito back jolly. death metal has alot of talented people playing in its
genre. to not respect the music is pure stupidity. to name a few:
gene hoglan - death,SYL arguably one of the best there is
chuck shulder - death
everyone in at the gates. killer shit from sweden
alex webster - c.c.
chris barns - c.c.
There was a guitarist that played on a Death album (lead) who was in Forbidden...Anyone know his name? He was really a fantastic lead player.<snip>
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Manson,
> >etc.. puts out IMO sucks, and should be disregarded as "death Metal",
> >because its not.
>
> genre is basically unaware of heavy music in general. Death metal is
> Cannibal Corpse, Death (what's in a name), Morbid Angel, Obituary,
> Altar and numerous other bands. I personally enjoy Korn and Deftones a
> lot, but I also like to listen to some death metal from time to time.
> And those asswipes saying that Manson encourages kids into satanism
> and that violence shit, BULLSHIT!!!! Listen to some real death/black
> metal bands. They openly say that stuff, not hidden in some lyrics,
> which, when played back reversed, have some said-to-be satanic
> message.
>
> well.... just my $0.02...
>
> greetz,
> Hillie
>
although for the most part, i would have to say from the individuals
that i have known that are into death metal, most do not react violently
or have voilent habbits. Rather that the music lets them vent their
emotions out rather than to take them out phyically. most people that i
know that play death metal, my self included tend to be passive and calm
about every day life, since we get all of our shit out on the songs we
perform. But there are "pits", and people do take thier shit out at
concerts. But i have not personally seen an death metalers shooting or
fuckin with people in general. it might happen but its rare. it's the
media that blows manson and company into the monstrosity of fear to
parents.
corpsegrinder
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> corpsegrinder wrote:
>
> > Ito back jolly. death metal has alot of talented people playing in
its
> > genre. to not respect the music is pure stupidity. to name a few:
> >
> > gene hoglan - death,SYL arguably one of the best there is
> > chuck shulder - death
> > everyone in at the gates. killer shit from sweden
> > alex webster - c.c.
> > chris barns - c.c.
>
> There was a guitarist that played on a Death album (lead) who was in
> Forbidden...Anyone know his name? He was really a fantastic lead
player.
>
> --
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fucking alternative newsgroup poser.
Magus Von Sakreth
character is selling millions of albums, however, when i speak to one of those
neo- goth industriaphiles with black eyeliner tripping on speed or ecstacy,
and ask them if they listen to marilyn manson, they always reply "no i don't
listen to that loser"....WHO the hell buys his records then. Are these people
lying because it is a trend among these people to not admit to liking him.
whats the scoop here
Unhalowed
>character is selling millions of albums, however, when i speak to one of
>those
>neo- goth industriaphiles with black eyeliner tripping on speed or ecstacy,
>and ask them if they listen to marilyn manson, they always reply "no i don't
>listen to that loser"....WHO the hell buys his records then. Are these
>people
>lying because it is a trend among these people to not admit to liking him.
>whats the scoop here
>
Well now the people who buy marilyn manson's records are mainstream everyday
jow blows. Since mtv and the radio stations play the hell out of manson's hit
songs, all these jocks, preps and otherwise "trendy" people are the ones who
support manson, buy his records and turn up at his shows. Personally, I cannot
fucking stand that SOB for a minute. I think marilyn manson is an accurate
illustration of the decline of musical tlaent amoung bands in the 90's. Quite
frankly, He SUCKS
Wanker Spice
Magus Von Sakreth <emp...@sprint.ca> wrote in article
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> One thing is very fucking funny about these marilyn mansonites. This
manson
> character is selling millions of albums, however, when i speak to one of
those
> neo- goth industriaphiles with black eyeliner tripping on speed or
ecstacy,
> and ask them if they listen to marilyn manson, they always reply "no i
don't
> listen to that loser"....WHO the hell buys his records then. Are these
people
> lying because it is a trend among these people to not admit to liking
him.
> whats the scoop here
Hmm.. I personally don't buy his records, but I respect him as a performer.
He fools quite a few people with his stage scherades, his little puppet
show. It's the same deal as Ozzy was when he bit the head off of doves,
and Alice Cooper, and all the other shock rockers of the 70's and 80's.
It's easy to get attention, just do something that'll show up in the news.
Voila.. you've got media coverage and people buy your albums because you're
"cool" and everybody wants to be like you... and of course then you get
half a dozen other groups a month later all trying to imitate your
sound/style/look.. It happened to Manson and White Zombie.. and happened to
Korn too...<cough>Rob Zombie<cough>Limp Bizkit<cough> I think that's
about all you can do.. is respect how gets the media.. otherwise it's just
a big show of halfass anti-christian music. People get too worked up about
it... I think if you believe in what all these artists do on stage, you've
got to be pretty ignorant. But that's just my opinion.
Troy Halverson
fucking sell out assholes and they can go fuck them selves
WEEDCORE
>fucking sell out assholes and they can go fuck them selves
>
1) they use to be good and changed their style for money
2) somehow they turned their back on their fans
neither band was ever good, they both suck, and always had. I remember about,
fuck, well a long time ago- the girl that I was seeing at the time said she got
some tape of a band called Korn. Well, first I thought just the name alone was
crap. She said that I'd probably like it because it is 'heavy'. This was at
least 4 years ago, I think it was their demo tape- it was laughable. They
sucked back then, and they still do. They arent sellouts because I'm sure they
were in it for the money, and 'bitches' since the beginning.
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unha...@aol.com (Unhalowed) wrote:
> >One thing is very fucking funny about these marilyn mansonites. This
manson
> >character is selling millions of albums, however, when i speak to one
of
> >those
> >neo- goth industriaphiles with black eyeliner tripping on speed or
ecstacy,
> >and ask them if they listen to marilyn manson, they always reply "no
i don't
> >listen to that loser"....WHO the hell buys his records then. Are
these
> >people
> >lying because it is a trend among these people to not admit to liking
him.
> >whats the scoop here
> >
>
everyday
> jow blows. Since mtv and the radio stations play the hell out of
manson's hit
> songs, all these jocks, preps and otherwise "trendy" people are the
ones who
> support manson, buy his records and turn up at his shows. Personally,
I cannot
> fucking stand that SOB for a minute. I think marilyn manson is an
accurate
> illustration of the decline of musical tlaent amoung bands in the
90's. Quite
> frankly, He SUCKS
>
>
he gives a bad name to us all. of course if these trendy wankers had any
grey matter left they would be able to make the destinction between what
manson is and what deathmetal is. a very wide gap in my book.
most mainstream music has always had a lack of talent. thats not to say
all, but for the most part. simple music for the simple minded.
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Troy Halverson <hal...@net-email.com> wrote:
> well i guess ill put my little reply in KORN and LImp Bizkit are both
> fucking sell out assholes and they can go fuck them selves
>
floated into my toilet. oooohhh a 7 string. wow. just because you tune
your guitars down does not mean you are "heavy".there needs to be some
real talent behind it too.
Peter Sims
corpsegrinder wrote in message <7i1le9$bq3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>
>snippy snippy
>--
Good list of talented musicians. Morbid Angel also have (had) some
incredible talent, especially their lead guitarist and their drummer (8-arms
himself). And as far as black metal goes, it could be argued if Emperor sold
out or not (I don't really like them though). If you want some good moody
stuff check out Einherjer (Viking metal!) or Opeth.
And to the person that said Cannibal Corpse don't make much money: That's
FAR from the truth. They sell out clubs, etc. whenever they play and they
sell a decent amount of albums. In some areas, more kids sport Corpse shirts
than KoRn or Marilyn Manson ones.
Oh, and I think I get to meet Dave Lombardo this month when Grip Inc. play
here. Of course I'll probobly just go into one of my stupors and bumble
around, but only time shall tell.
Paul Wilbur
> On Mon, 31 May 1999 13:17:15 -0500, Troy Halverson
> <hal...@net-email.com> wrote:
>
> >well i guess ill put my little reply in KORN and LImp Bizkit are both
> >fucking sell out assholes and they can go fuck them selves
> >
> Right on brother!
I want to know how Korn and LB sold out? Don't you have to be
"underground" first?
Paul
Jolly Spamhead
Jolly Spamhead
Just to update you people, im outta pot now, so I now inhale hair
spray the silver glitter kind to be exact and play 80's hair metal,
and spin on cue, and post run on sentences and start stupid long
cannibal corpse treads on usenetl! Im proud! ;)
Jolly Spamhead
<dapi...@mailbox.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Jolly Spamhead wrote:
>
>I want to know how Korn and LB sold out? Don't you have to be
>"underground" first?
>Paul
>
>
Simple explanation here....Korn Self Titled came out early 90's nice
song arrangments something fresh and new detuned 7-string metal with a
depressed lead singer and hip-hop funky basslines. Korn gained a huge
underground following without getting played on MTV or much radio,
just by word of mouth and touring, kinda like the state Coal Chamber
is in now. Life is Peachy comes out, the band has a bigger underground
following but still isn't a household name yet Adidas video is played
on MTV. Korn is now a household name to some but still somewhat a
underground band, so all the mtv korn fans jumped on the korn
shitwagon for Follow The Leader which I say the album is total junk,
and these MTV fans would have bought anything korn released after Life
Is Peachy, korn realizing this put out their shittest cd ever knowing
that it would sell tons because of Life Is Peachy. Can't forget the FV
tour either.....Korn used to be like fuck the man fuck MTV now they
think they have the biggest nutsacks in the hip-hop metal scene
because they think all you have to do now to be heavy is detune a 7
string turn on a effects processor for the verse hit random notes,
turn that shit off for the chorus and crank the overdrive. Please the
state of korn is really terrible now, I also blame them for starting
all these copycat poseur whiteboy hip-hop metal bands. Now this
would'nt be so bad if these copycat bands copied korn and they still
sounded decent (Self-Titled Era), but no we get Limp Bizkit and Puke
Kid Rock, and last but not least Vanilla ICE is jumping on this stupid
trend. This same thing applyed for Marilyn Manson, his first album
came out POAF, then Smells Like Children, Then his album which wasn't
meant to be on mtv but ended up their Antichrist Superstar rocks the
world. So he releases a lazy shit followup and all the MTV falls flock
to buy Mechnical Animals, probly why he named it that. So mostly what
im saying if a band is great on the 1st or 2nd album and that 2nd
album makes it on MTV. Don't get lazy for your next one because you
know MTV will push it. I hope you got something out of this.....I
kinda feared ICP would sellout with their new album (ICP best cd yet),
but of course they stayed true and didn't. MTV refuses to play the
video, and ICP will not change it, so if you see "Another Love Song"
on MTV they gave in not ICP. A track from the new cd Amazing Jeckel
Brothers Fuck The World pretty much addresses selling out, Korn and
Big Festvials. Anyway I have said enough peace....no hard feelings I
just had to get this out!
MrLocust
They sell out clubs, etc. whenever they play and they
>sell a decent amount of albums. In some areas, more kids sport Corpse
shirts
>than KoRn or Marilyn Manson ones.
>
selling out venues, For most bands on the tour circuit the cost of touring
eats up most if not all of the profits, there have been quite a few bands
who have nearly bankrupted themselves as a result of touring despite hosting
packed to capacity shows. So they have to recoup their losses through
merchandising, I would say that in _most areas_ Cannible Corpse t -shirt
wearers are in a tiny minority, plus whilst they sell quite a few records
for a death metal band it's still not great, especially considering most
death metal/ underground bands get shafted by record companies due to them
being a 'high - risk investment:", it's quite likely that most of the cash
they earn from merchandising has to go back to pay off their recording
advance from the company.
Mark
and bizkit has been around from 95 . Listen to the first korn cd and
then listen to follow the leader then you will know
Steven Milliman
Jolly Spamhead
Mark if you are refering to me as a posuer, let me inform u im well
aware of Korn and the history of the band. Even before John Davis came
into the band and they released Self Titled back in the day. Limp I
could give 2 shits and fuck about they are to the rap/metal scene as
Bush was to the Grunge/Alternative scene a straight poser since u like
using the word. Ever hear of Stuck Mojo or RATM? I hate it when
someone starts something new, then many bands copy the orignals, and
dilute the scene and what was new isn't so shiny anymore. It happned
to alternative/grunge, Rap is experencing it now, same with R&B. I
think its a shame. I bet if I were to play Christian Death Metal with
a country rap favor and it caught on, I would have people copying it
like a copy machine worker.
-Jolly Spamhead
thebass
interesting. You can say that all korn did was mix metal, hip hop,
and rap. Regardless if there were ten other bands doing the exact same
thing, Korn was the first to get that sound heard by millions of people.
You can't be mad that they rely so heavily on Pro Tools to create good takes
in the studio( can't play a quarter note bassline? no problem we'll take
your notes and move them around so that they sound like quarter notes ). I
know that there are bands out there that do this music that have a mutch
greater command of there instruments but Korn was the first.
Juan
a.Those gay ass Puma adds where they sing freak on a leash (i only saw
it once so you might not have)
b. The way Jon Davis dresses in those vynal pimp gear coats and hats.
c. How they're on MTV alot and enjoying it. MTV sucks except for Tom
Green and 120 minutes. I only watch that since all they show is pop and
rap crap, plus they cancelled head bangers ball along time ago.
It also looks like VH1 is getting into the rock scene. Other than that
I think Korns music is the same but Follow the Leader wasn't up to the
par the other albums made. They need to ditch Kid Rock and Ice cube
too.
Mark
stuck mojo or ratm. ARE YOU A FUCKING IDIOT do you think rage is like a
underground band. YOU ARE A POSER NOT ME ASSHOLE. Are you talking about
LAPD cause all the guys from korn(head munkey and fieldy and david were
in it) and jon was in sex art. and it is jon with a n not a hn. so what
ever think what you want you dont know me and i dont know you but i sure
as hell know iam not a poser
Agramon
Can someone explain to me why this piece of shit post is on a Black
Metal ng?? Fuck Korn and all those who bend over to the corporate
cock of MTV.
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WEEDCORE
shut the fuck up already. Korn sucks my cock 24/7 and has for years ... and
that's the end of it.
NercoPast
decide,death,morbid angel,celtic frost,hypocrisy,insatanity,etc are death metal
becasue they don't hide what they mean and play well with skill unlkie the
trend bands who leanr a few chords then make a shitty recrod and sell it
to the masses and brainwash the people
Justin Gaskins
> well it looks like your the poser!! Korn has been around since late 93
> and bizkit has been around from 95 . Listen to the first korn cd and
> then listen to follow the leader then you will know
Ok, I'm new here so maybe I have this whole thing wrong, but is this a
fight better a Corpse fan and a Korn fan to see who is the poser? What a
riot. Just to set you straight, I am and have been a metalhead since the
80s and IMHO both of those bands are for wannabe-hard*sses.
As far as I can tell, the only Corpse fans are 14 year olds with bad
acne and a Napoleon complex. I saw them in concert a few years back and
was afraid to mosh because I might kill the little kids in it. Cannibal
Corpse is pre-pubescent death metal, just like Cradle of Filth is
prepubescent black metal.
And Korn, well... they just suck. Another poor attempt at trying to
cross the bridge between metal and rap. The two should not, and will
never, mix. Anthrax may have come close, but they did it as a joke so it
is not the same.
In my opinion, you are both 'posers'.
Justin
The opinions herein are my own and if you are offended, I am not sorry.
Mr. Unknown
now but their first album had none of that rap metal shit in it.
Mr. Unknown
Iam mostly into hard stuff or hardcore music like hatebreed earth crisis
strife skinlab pissing razors..... Iam not a mtv groupy
Jolly Spamhead
Yes I will agree that korn self titled was alright, could have even
been dubbed almost metal like Machine Head. Now a days they are just
heavy mainstream mtv top 40 shit. Cannibal Corpse may not appeal to
all like they do to me, but they do have a amazing bass player named
Alex Webster on the level, if not better than Cliff from metallica.
Anyone who disagrees has not saw the intro to bloodlands proformed
live from the Cannibal Corpse home video. Alex (Spider Fingers)
Webster is a metal bassiest deity. He writes all the music for corpse
and fuck what more can I say...he is good! On another planet!
-Jolly Spamhead
Jolly Spamhead
wrote:
Blah Blah, rap and metal never mix? Ever hear of Stuck Mojo or give a
listen to Body Count? I know those bands are more hardcore punk than
metal, but they are more legit than these surburbian white
rapper/mtv/metal wannabes bands (Kid Rock, Limp Bizkit, Korn *Cringe*)
that seem to be appearing every month now that im bashing. I noticed u
cited Anthrax, when the fuck did they do rap? I think you are
confusing them with the crossover of Biohazard and Onyx on the Slam
Remix. Also you claim to be a metalhead since the 80's, boy you are so
cool? I bet you still have your faded Poison Tshirts too huh? Well you
must remember the Run DMC and Aerosmith Crossover on Walk This Way and
that Kerry King from Slayer played on Fight For Your Right (To Party).
You metalhead must have too much metal in your brain....go fry then
die!
The opinions herein are my own and if you are offended, I am not sorry
-Jolly Spamhead
Ben G
>Blah Blah, rap and metal never mix? Ever hear of Stuck Mojo or give a
>listen to Body Count? I know those bands are more hardcore punk than
>metal, but they are more legit than these surburbian white
>rapper/mtv/metal wannabes bands (Kid Rock, Limp Bizkit, Korn *Cringe*)
>that seem to be appearing every month now that im bashing. I noticed u
>cited Anthrax, when the fuck did they do rap?
Anthrax and Public Enemy - Bring the Noise.
Joost de Heer
:I noticed u
:cited Anthrax, when the fuck did they do rap?
"I'm the man".
Joost
NP: Navigator - Terminal Choice
--
It's sometimes just like sleeping
Curling up inside my private tortures
I nestle into pain, hug suffering
Caress every ache
The Rattler
> I noticed u
> cited Anthrax, when the fuck did they do rap? I think you are
> confusing them with the crossover of Biohazard and Onyx on the Slam
> Remix.
Anthrax's "I'm The Man" single and, later, their collaboration with
Public Enemy on a metal-edged cover of the latter's "Bring The Noize".
Perhaps a little before your time. :)
> You metalhead must have too much metal in your brain....go fry then
> die!
You can't have too much metal in your brain! ;)
--
"Frosty the Snowman
Was peeing against the wind
In a ravenstorm" - 'Immortal Haiku' by Annatar Gorthaur.
*** UNDER THE BANNER OF FNOOGLE WE RIDE! ***
Jolly Spamhead
Who said I like korn? Back in the day when I made the crossover from
Dance/Rap./R&B I liked them. I think they are a disgrace to what they
used to be and the band's fans. I listen to Blues, Sublime, Reggae,
Death Metal, Black Metal, Gothic, Oldies Motown, 70's, Early westcoast
rap and 80's rap, and pre 1997 mainstream stuff (Soundgarden, Nirvana,
Blind Melon, STP, Smashing Pumpkins). I hate.....Techno and MTV shit!
-Jolly Spamhead
Kamchak Tuchuk
<NOSPAM...@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>
>>Blah Blah, rap and metal never mix? Ever hear of Stuck Mojo or give a
>>listen to Body Count? I know those bands are more hardcore punk than
>>metal, but they are more legit than these surburbian white
>>rapper/mtv/metal wannabes bands (Kid Rock, Limp Bizkit, Korn *Cringe*)
>>that seem to be appearing every month now that im bashing. I noticed u
>>cited Anthrax, when the fuck did they do rap?
>
>Anthrax and Public Enemy - Bring the Noise.
Damn, that was good stuff!!!
Sybren
wrote:
>Blah Blah, rap and metal never mix? Ever hear of Stuck Mojo or give a
>listen to Body Count? I know those bands are more hardcore punk than
>metal,
Body Count's first desperately wanted to be Slayer though :) But
considering that all members worshipped Slayer that wasn't
surprising...
>but they are more legit than these surburbian white
>rapper/mtv/metal wannabes bands (Kid Rock, Limp Bizkit, Korn *Cringe*)
>that seem to be appearing every month now that im bashing. I noticed u
>cited Anthrax, when the fuck did they do rap?
"I'm The Man" - somewhere in '87. Years and years before anyone else
tried that (except Aerosmith/Run DMC of course).
>I think you are
>confusing them with the crossover of Biohazard and Onyx on the Slam
>Remix. Also you claim to be a metalhead since the 80's, boy you are so
>cool?
Every Metalhead from the 80s *knows* Anthrax did a rap tune :)
>I bet you still have your faded Poison Tshirts too huh? Well you
>must remember the Run DMC and Aerosmith Crossover on Walk This Way and
>that Kerry King from Slayer played on Fight For Your Right (To Party).
>You metalhead must have too much metal in your brain....go fry then
>die!
Anthrax *was* the first band that did a rap song 'on their own' (ie
without established rappers on it).
Sybren
ADM
Sybren wrote in message <3768c33...@news.casema.net>...
>Anthrax *was* the first band that did a rap song 'on their own' (ie
>without established rappers on it).
Surely that would have been Blondie's "Rapture" (out of context I know - but
nonetheless...)
Paul Wilbur
>
> >Blah Blah, rap and metal never mix? Ever hear of Stuck Mojo or give a
> >listen to Body Count? I know those bands are more hardcore punk than
> >metal, but they are more legit than these surburbian white
> >rapper/mtv/metal wannabes bands (Kid Rock, Limp Bizkit, Korn *Cringe*)
> >that seem to be appearing every month now that im bashing. I noticed u
> >cited Anthrax, when the fuck did they do rap?
>
> Anthrax and Public Enemy - Bring the Noise.
And before that they did "Lethal" with UTFO.
Paul
carl
Just a side note, it was "No Sleep Till Brooklyn" that Kerry was on, not
fight for your right. Don't get me on the subject of Slayer trivia. If you
listen to that song, you can definatley tell when Kerry jumps in. It's
like, blah, blah, blah, blah....WHOAHH!
Carl
Gatt
> confusing them with the crossover of Biohazard and Onyx on the Slam
Anthrax did the song NOT! and some other rap-based stuff on the Time album
(or EP...I played a version of it on the air when I did a metal show in
1991 or so and I don't remember what they called the album.) As he said,
they were just screwing around with styles and having fun, not trying to
be crossover or anything.
> You metalhead must have too much metal in your brain....go fry then
> die!
>
> The opinions herein are my own and if you are offended, I am not sorry
Must suck to be a bitter, dickless little twit. Get laid. It'll help.
Chris Gattman
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Gatt
Check out Floater at http://www.floater.net. They're turning down record
deals with Elektra, Chrysalis and so forth because they don't want to
re-do and corporatize their songs. Some of the most wicked moshpits
I've ever seen (been to about 300 shows, seen Floater over 20 times.)
Songs to listen to are Cinema, Danny Boy and Face of Order. Best fuckin'
bass player (also the singer) I've ever seen except maybe Geezer Butler.
-gatt
On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Mr. Unknown wrote:
> I know its your opinion but Iam not a poser. I dont like korn anymore
> Iam mostly into hard stuff or hardcore music like hatebreed earth crisis
> strife skinlab pissing razors..... Iam not a mtv groupy
>
>
Chris Gattman
Greg
Greg
Gatt wrote:
> > that seem to be appearing every month now that im bashing. I noticed u
> > cited Anthrax, when the fuck did they do rap? I think you are
> > confusing them with the crossover of Biohazard and Onyx on the Slam
>
> Anthrax did the song NOT! and some other rap-based stuff on the Time album
> (or EP...I played a version of it on the air when I did a metal show in
> 1991 or so and I don't remember what they called the album.) As he said,
> they were just screwing around with styles and having fun, not trying to
> be crossover or anything.
>
> > You metalhead must have too much metal in your brain....go fry then
> > die!
> >
> > The opinions herein are my own and if you are offended, I am not sorry
>
> Must suck to be a bitter, dickless little twit. Get laid. It'll help.
>
Daemoncraft
playing my strat on "heavy" distortion when I rhymed two lines. I
said.. "what's for supper mom?/Your meatloaf is the bomb!" Clearly
establishing me as the first to trespass into the rap/metal zone. I
also created the phrase, "the bomb".
"I am lying, but who really cares"
~Daemoncraft
Jeffrey Chappell
And you're not the first kid to proudly exclaim "I dont like Korn anymore. I
listen to (insert Victory band name here) now"
Mr. Unknown wrote in message <376709...@net-email.com>...
Justin Gaskins
It was 'No Sleep Till Brooklyn', and I love that song. It has the best lsolo to
ever appear in a Beastie Boys song (I also think it was the only solo to appear
in a BB song).
Devon Lougheed
>
>Check out Floater at http://www.floater.net. They're turning down record
>deals with Elektra, Chrysalis and so forth because they don't want to
>re-do and corporatize their songs. Some of the most wicked moshpits
>I've ever seen (been to about 300 shows, seen Floater over 20 times.)
>
>Songs to listen to are Cinema, Danny Boy and Face of Order. Best fuckin'
>bass player (also the singer) I've ever seen except maybe Geezer Butler.
>
>-gatt
GODDAMIT! Stop mentioning floater, everytime you do i think of the local band
in my area and i'm thinkin they're actually getting some exposure... hehehe
j/k, but i'm sure we talked about this before...
-=Devon Lougheed=-
Guitarist, Composer, Arranger
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WEEDCORE
None of those bands sell music- they sell a fucking image. Here is a test to
figure out just whether or not a band sucks- just think about who the majority
of their audience is- 14 year old mall metallers. . ! (and my 15 year old
sister)
Bam.
Gatt
> >Songs to listen to are Cinema, Danny Boy and Face of Order. Best fuckin'
> >bass player (also the singer) I've ever seen except maybe Geezer Butler.
>
> in my area and i'm thinkin they're actually getting some exposure... hehehe
> j/k, but i'm sure we talked about this before...
*cackle* Yeah, I remember. :>
They're still holding out on signing anything.