Was Christ a metalhead?
Daniel Cachapa
- Christ had a very long hair
- He had a lot of buddies whose ideals where wrong for his time and were
put aside by society
- They loved to get drunk. He touched water and it turned to wine. Or beer.
(Who knows how much of the bibles has been altered?)
- They also loved to party
- He made people feel good, metal does that (people who listen to spice
girls are, in fact, masochists)
- His father's (THE father, god) voice is allways portayed as very strong,
much like in metal
- He had people adore him, and touch his hair and, according to Jose
Saramago, the last literature nobel prize winner, he has sexual excapades
with prostitutes (even if that's just some old man's scheme to win a nobel,
even if hes going to end up frying in hell)
- He lived for metal, and died by metal(the pins on his hands and feet)
- People all over the world cried his demise (you wouldn't catch me crying
when kurt died for sure)
- He had a brief comeback, but more spectacular than his first appearance,
and he then went to leave in stile.
- The people (they went to form church) who learnt from him just because he
was famous and all that, didn't quite get the message and the message they
carried on was all wrong
- Angels are allways pictured nude (sex is a very important part of metal
ideology)
- They are also pictured with an harp, which is slightly simillar to a
guitar. I bet in that time they actually had Electric harps, with
distortion and stuff..
- He walked on water. I believe he did this by crossing a river with an
electric harp, and an amp on his back. The vibration of his
metal-distorted-melody caused some kind of reflex action on the water and
kept him from going down.
- Is father (the lesser one), worked with metal, or so i recall.
- When god gave the sign to moises he turned his cane into a snake. I
mean.. according to good old mighty god from the bible, it should have
turned into some beautyfull bird or something. A snake is much more
significant to metal.
- Today's metal ideology, much like the time he was alive, resides only on
the people who keep it alive by fighting for it, against powerfull evil
forces who plan to destroy us, such as MTV.
Come on people, help me out here. I know there are more reasons..
I'm sure he was a metalhead. My theory is that he got betrayed after he
died, so metal would be forgotten, or at least set asside by society, so
the world could never be pacefull anymore.
Daniel Cachapa (Tuga)
Unhalowed
probably start crying and get his fucking teeth kicked in by a skinhead. jesus
christ was a HIPPIE COMMUNIST. You want me to prove it? Here you go: He
wandered around like a bum with a bunch of bohemians, he told the rich to give
their money to the poor, he was a homosexual, and most of all, we wore sandals
goddamnit!!!!! jesus probably would've listened to PINK FLOYD and the GRATEFUL
DEAD. He was not a metalhead. All evidence of christ's life and existence leads
us to believe that he was a weak, insolent, communist flower child. Heavy Metal
is for the strong, not feeble hippie scum like christ.
DEATH TO YOU JESUS CHRIST.
Paul Wilbur
back, monkeyboy!
Paul
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Unhalowed wrote:
> christ was NOT Metalhead you idiot. If you took christ to a Slayer concert he'd
> probably start crying and get his fucking teeth kicked in by a skinhead. jesus
> christ was a HIPPIE COMMUNIST. You want me to prove it? Here you go: He
> wandered around like a bum with a bunch of bohemians, he told the rich to give
> their money to the poor, he was a homosexual, and most of all, we wore sandals
> goddamnit!!!!! jesus probably would've listened to PINK FLOYD and the GRATEFUL
> DEAD. He was not a metalhead. All evidence of christ's life and existence leads
> us to believe that he was a weak, insolent, communist flower child. Heavy Metal
> is for the strong, not feeble hippie scum like christ.
>
> DEATH TO YOU JESUS CHRIST.
First and last, Jesus was a jew.
Martyr333
>
>> christ was NOT Metalhead you idiot. If you took christ to a Slayer concert
>he'd
>> probably start crying and get his fucking teeth kicked in by a skinhead.
>jesus
>> christ was a HIPPIE COMMUNIST. You want me to prove it? Here you go: He
>> wandered around like a bum with a bunch of bohemians, he told the rich to
>give
>> their money to the poor, he was a homosexual, and most of all, we wore
>sandals
>> goddamnit!!!!!
Hehe, i remember telling that to people at school....
"jesus was stupid, he wore sandals in the dessert! he made wine out of water,
but couldn't make a pair of decent shoes!!"
jesus probably would've listened to PINK FLOYD and the
>GRATEFUL
>> DEAD. He was not a metalhead. All evidence of christ's life and existence
>leads
>> us to believe that he was a weak, insolent, communist flower child. Heavy
>Metal
>> is for the strong, not feeble hippie scum like christ.
>>
>> DEATH TO YOU JESUS CHRIST.
>
>First and last, Jesus was a jew.
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Daniel Cachapa
> probably start crying and get his fucking teeth kicked in by a skinhead. jesus
> christ was a HIPPIE COMMUNIST. You want me to prove it? Here you go: He
> wandered around like a bum with a bunch of bohemians, he told the rich to give
> their money to the poor, he was a homosexual, and most of all, we wore sandals
> DEAD. He was not a metalhead. All evidence of christ's life and existence leads
> us to believe that he was a weak, insolent, communist flower child. Heavy Metal
> is for the strong, not feeble hippie scum like christ.
You're no more than one more sheep in they're imense cattle.
> DEATH TO YOU JESUS CHRIST.
He's already dead, and if he wasn't, he would be headbanging us to
salvation in metal heaven.
feca...@yahoo.com
feelings, he did what he could to correct the situation, and then when not
change occurred in his unthinking fans, became desperate and plotted
subconsciously toward his own suicide. (Some would say the same of Adolf
Hitler.)
In article <36AA8128...@altern.org>,
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I know I'm gonna hear it...but here goes.
I disagree with both. Without getting to into it, let's just say that
my Catholic upbringing cannot even conceive of saying Cobain was like
Christ. Ever! Suicide is the greatest sin..and we all have free will.
Cobain chose his fate. Christ was born to die for us.
As for that whole Christ at a Slayer concert post. Christ would not
cry. Recall the marketplace in the temple? Besides, If Christ were
here today...there is no reason to believe Christ would not be a
metalhead.
Vampire
lilv...@mindspring.com wrote:
> I know I'm gonna hear it...but here goes.
> I disagree with both. Without getting to into it, let's just say that
> my Catholic upbringing cannot even conceive of saying Cobain was like
> Christ. Ever! Suicide is the greatest sin..and we all have free will.
> Cobain chose his fate. Christ was born to die for us.
> As for that whole Christ at a Slayer concert post. Christ would not
> cry. Recall the marketplace in the temple? Besides, If Christ were
> here today...there is no reason to believe Christ would not be a
> metalhead.
Jesus vs. Kurt is just an aweful comparison. Whether you believe in him
or not (I happen to be a Pagan, not a Christian), Jesus (as a man) was a
good person. He put others before him. He cared & loved. How one cannot
respect that aspect is beyond me. Kurt Cobain was a selfish piece of
shit. He didn't give a rat's ass about his wife or kid, the others in the
band, his fans or himself. He bailed out on everyone. There were (are) a
lot of people who loved him and he let them all down. I know it's not a
very nice thing to say about another human being, but I'm glad he checked
out. His child is much better off without his selfish, drug-laden
influence.
Ken
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Daniel Cachapa
>Christ was the Kurt Cobain of his age: ruled by his impression of his
>feelings, he did what he could to correct the situation, and then when not
>change occurred in his unthinking fans, became desperate and plotted
>subconsciously toward his own suicide. (Some would say the same of Adolf
>Hitler.)
Oh, please. I was saying christ was a metalhead.
What the fuck has metal to do with
kurt-i'm-a-wuss-drug-addict-unnable-to-sort-my-problems-so-i'll-just-kill-my
self-cause-anyway-i'm-a-faggot-cobain?
You're on the wrong list, man..
Heretic
>
> feca...@yahoo.com wrote in message <78fan3$pob$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >Christ was the Kurt Cobain of his age: ruled by his impression of his
> >feelings, he did what he could to correct the situation, and then when not
> >change occurred in his unthinking fans, became desperate and plotted
> >subconsciously toward his own suicide. (Some would say the same of Adolf
> >Hitler.)
>
> Oh, please. I was saying christ was a metalhead.
> What the fuck has metal to do with
>
christ has absolutely NOTHING in common with metal. if you think he
does, you prove yourself to be incompetent with both subjects.
doesn't surprise me though. you christian metallers try so hard; at war
with yourselves and others, twisting reality to suit your needs. it's
quite funny, and sad.
Heretic
Heretic
>
> I know I'm gonna hear it...but here goes.
> I disagree with both. Without getting to into it, let's just say that
> my Catholic upbringing cannot even conceive of saying Cobain was like
> Christ.
of course not! questioning your parents, society, and the
drug-pushing priests might reveal some *ugly* truths and cause your
world to collapse. chaos!
> Ever! Suicide is the greatest sin. and we all have free will.
> Cobain chose his fate. Christ was born to die for us.
the record repeats. . .
> As for that whole Christ at a Slayer concert post. Christ would not
> cry. Recall the marketplace in the temple? Besides, If Christ were
> here today...there is no reason to believe Christ would not be a
> metalhead.
>
any reason as to why you see no reason to believe he wouldn't be a
metalhead? no, of course not. except for the fact that the jesus you
have molded is convenient for you. kinda like the blacks: "yo, jesus was
a brutha."
JESUS IS A PIECE OF SILLY PUTTY
Heretic
Heretic
>
> Jesus vs. Kurt is just an aweful comparison. Whether you believe in him
> or not (I happen to be a Pagan, not a Christian), Jesus (as a man) was a
> good person. He put others before him. He cared & loved. How one cannot
> respect that aspect is beyond me. Kurt Cobain was a selfish piece of
> shit. He didn't give a rat's ass about his wife or kid, the others in the
> band, his fans or himself.
yeah and the christ disownwed his parents, and encouraged his followers
to leave their families in order to serve him 24/7 (orally & anally).
> He bailed out on everyone. There were (are) a
> lot of people who loved him and he let them all down. I know it's not a
> very nice thing to say about another human being, but I'm glad he checked
> out.
me too. i laugh whenever i think about christ writhing in pain on the
cross.
> His child is much better off without his selfish, drug-laden
> influence.
>
you sure said it! we're all much better off without jesus.
Heretic
Paul Wilbur
> Daniel Cachapa wrote:
> >
> > feca...@yahoo.com wrote in message <78fan3$pob$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > >Christ was the Kurt Cobain of his age: ruled by his impression of his
> > >feelings, he did what he could to correct the situation, and then when not
> > >change occurred in his unthinking fans, became desperate and plotted
> > >subconsciously toward his own suicide. (Some would say the same of Adolf
> > >Hitler.)
> >
> > Oh, please. I was saying christ was a metalhead.
> > What the fuck has metal to do with
> >
>
> christ has absolutely NOTHING in common with metal.
Oh yeah? Christ ate food, and metalheads eat food. There's one, should I
continue?
Paul
Heretic
>
> On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Heretic wrote:
>
> > Daniel Cachapa wrote:
> > >
> > > feca...@yahoo.com wrote in message <78fan3$pob$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > > >Christ was the Kurt Cobain of his age: ruled by his impression of his
> > > >feelings, he did what he could to correct the situation, and then when not
> > > >change occurred in his unthinking fans, became desperate and plotted
> > > >subconsciously toward his own suicide. (Some would say the same of Adolf
> > > >Hitler.)
> > >
> > > Oh, please. I was saying christ was a metalhead.
> > > What the fuck has metal to do with
> > >
> >
> > christ has absolutely NOTHING in common with metal.
>
> Oh yeah? Christ ate food, and metalheads eat food. There's one, should I
> continue?
> Paul
>
what's scary is that you're being serious, paul.
Heretic
Sandra Phillips Bodenstein
Suicide, to Catholics is a sin...it's a form of murder. Not killing is
a commandment.
I understand and feel saddened for those who suffer incurable deases
and want peace...I realize some people have chemical imbalances...or
things seem bad..but for those who don't fall into any of those
categories...suicide is a cop out, plain and simple.
Anyway, if I didn't question things would I be a metalhead? No- I
don't think so. As I stated before..my upbringing was Catholic...I
never said I was a practicing Catholic. I found my own beliefs and my
own way, like everyone should..but I do hold some things I was taught
to be true.
As for Jesus being a brother...Well...no, but he wasn't pale either.
Law of genetics...look where his parents are from.
As for why Jesus might be a metalhead..thats easy... what other music
has found its way of challenging against injustice? Sure, there are
bands that are very much not anything Jesus would be a fan of...like
Danzig. Who, I happen to like. But I can picture Jesus listening to
Peace Sells.
Now, I'm not saying I'm right about suicide being the worst sin..but
to me- someone who fights to live everyday..those who quit like Cobain
did are not worthy of anything. Of course, now you also now why my
belief in God is strong, although my belief in the church may not be.
I still say Jesus woulda been a metalhead.
Heretic
get it straight christ was not a metalhead and you're not either. you
have not nor will ever understand the philosophical foundations of
metal, so just shut the fuck up about how you and your pal jesus are
metallers. it's pathetic.
fundamentally, Metal is nihilistic in nature, the exact opposite of what
judeo-xtianity stands for:
-Metal is anti-god
-jesus taught to believe in HIS god or burn in hell
-Metal is anti-conformist
-jesus told everyone to be born again and be just like him, or burn.
individuality is abhorred by xtians as being evil
-Metal is anti-law
-judeo-xtianity commands the masses to obey
-Metal is anti-servitude
-the basis of xtianity is servitude; serving the old fart in the sky
-Metal is anti-establishment, anti-institution
-xtianity is big business worldwide with its pathetic churches
-Metal is open to all philosophies
-xtianity preaches one truth and only one view of the meaning and
purpose of life...namely serving jewhorevah
-Metal presents a brutally honest outlook on life, accepting reality
-xtianity is built upon lies, fables, and fairy tales; denies and fears
reality
-metal is above and beyond fear and guilt
-without the above 2 there would be no need for jesus
are you getting this? no? better run to your bible and feed your tiny
brain with more fables then.
Metal = Satan
Heretic
Paul Wilbur
No, what's scary is you THINK I am being serious.
Paul
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The most scary thing is that you think you are being funny.
Annatar Gorthaur
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Disagreed. The scariest thing is that this thread can actually continue for this long.
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A man approached the Lord and said, "Lord, I used to play wonderfully wicked
riffs on my guitar but I can no longer. Arthritis has set in and I can no
longer handle the pain. Can you help?"
The Lord placed his hand on the man's and said, "My son, thou shalt continue
to thrash." And when the man tried to play again he found that the arthritis
has dissappeared. "I can play again!"
And play he did. As the man played some of the fastest and vilest riffs in
his life, the whole congregation arose and began whipping their heads around
in time with the music. The Lord looked upon his people and he saw that it
was good.
James S Kang
> From the Book of John:
> A man approached the Lord and said, "Lord, I used to play wonderfully wicked
> riffs on my guitar but I can no longer. Arthritis has set in and I can no
> longer handle the pain. Can you help?"
> The Lord placed his hand on the man's and said, "My son, thou shalt continue
> to thrash." And when the man tried to play again he found that the arthritis
> has dissappeared. "I can play again!"
> And play he did. As the man played some of the fastest and vilest riffs in
> his life, the whole congregation arose and began whipping their heads around
> in time with the music. The Lord looked upon his people and he saw that it
> was good.
Now, I could tolerate this kind of Lord.
TenTonHammer
-10TonHammer
feca...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Christ was the Kurt Cobain of his age: ruled by his impression of his
> feelings, he did what he could to correct the situation, and then when not
> change occurred in his unthinking fans, became desperate and plotted
> subconsciously toward his own suicide. (Some would say the same of Adolf
> Hitler.)
>
> In article <36AA8128...@altern.org>,
> Daniel Cachapa <cac...@altern.org> wrote:
> > > christ was NOT Metalhead you idiot. If you took christ to a Slayer concert
> he'd
> > > probably start crying and get his fucking teeth kicked in by a skinhead.
> jesus
> > > christ was a HIPPIE COMMUNIST. You want me to prove it? Here you go: He
> > > wandered around like a bum with a bunch of bohemians, he told the rich to
> give
> > > their money to the poor, he was a homosexual, and most of all, we wore
> sandals
> > > goddamnit!!!!! jesus probably would've listened to PINK FLOYD and the
> GRATEFUL
> > > DEAD. He was not a metalhead. All evidence of christ's life and existence
> leads
> > > us to believe that he was a weak, insolent, communist flower child. Heavy
> Metal
> > > is for the strong, not feeble hippie scum like christ.
> > That's what they want you to believe...
> > You're no more than one more sheep in they're imense cattle.
> >
> > > DEATH TO YOU JESUS CHRIST.
> > He's already dead, and if he wasn't, he would be headbanging us to
> > salvation in metal heaven.
> >
>
Heretic
>
> Heretic <freewil...@fuck-the-skull-of-jesus.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> I see I hit a nerve. Last comment to you...after this your replies
> fall on deaf ears. Technically, no one of that time was a
> metalhead...it did not exist then. Figurativly you yourself proved my
> point by stating that "metal is open to all philosophies" by that
> thought...Jesus could very well of prefered metal were he here today.
> Everything else you stated is cliche. By the way, from the beginning
> I was up front on where my belief came from...what do you believe in?
> All your replies are full of small minded cliches and narrow beliefs
> about religion. At least I'm open to others view and beliefs.
> If you could say the same you would of just left my opinions alone
> after I explained why I felt like I did. Like I said before everyone
> has to find there own belief. Now if you care to be civil and want to
> now what I belive or feel free to share what you believe feel free to
> email me...otherwise this conversation is over. I no longer feel like
> talking to a wall.
>
how typical. why would you want to talk over email, and not in the open?
because you're afraid of others seeing just how much of a dumbass you
are. you said absolutely nothing in the above, except for a ridiculous
statement like "jesus would prefer metal due to it being open to
philosophies." again, you prove to be incompetent with xtianity and
metal: jesus and xtianity were/are strictly against anything heretical or
outside the realms of believing worshipping the jew god jehovah. why do
you not accept that the two have nothing in common? you're probably one
of the many closeted christian people in metal who are afraid of the
music you like so you try real hard to mix jesus into it. face it, it
doesn't work no matter how hard you try.
and for as cliche as my statements might sound, well who cares...they're
at least true. you on the other hand are extremely delusional. instead
of just dismissing my statements as cliche, why not try to prove them
wrong? why? because you can't.
nice try but you lose, xtian.
Heretic
kc...@anti-social.com
so you "love" everyone. On each side of the coin is a route to the other.
Metal is about appreciating your anger, your hatred, and the darkness of life
as an antidote to the denial which we know as superstition
(Religion/Commerce).
"We've hid underground long enough || UNDERGROUND RADIO IS WAR
They've got power but not enough ||
Time to start, time to act || http://www.kcuf.org/
They've got our lives -- DRI ||
They've got us trapped || death metal ambient jazz
Stab the system - in the back" || hardcore black metal noise
Sandra Phillips Bodenstein
>
I see I hit a nerve. Last comment to you...after this your replies
fall on deaf ears. Technically, no one of that time was a
metalhead...it did not exist then. Figurativly you yourself proved my
point by stating that "metal is open to all philosophies" by that
thought...Jesus could very well of prefered metal were he here today.
Everything else you stated is cliche. By the way, from the beginning
I was up front on where my belief came from...what do you believe in?
All your replies are full of small minded cliches and narrow beliefs
about religion. At least I'm open to others view and beliefs.
If you could say the same you would of just left my opinions alone
after I explained why I felt like I did. Like I said before everyone
has to find there own belief. Now if you care to be civil and want to
now what I belive or feel free to share what you believe feel free to
email me...otherwise this conversation is over. I no longer feel like
talking to a wall.
>
Sandra Phillips Bodenstein
see other response
Heretic <freewil...@fuck-the-skull-of-jesus.mit.edu> wrote:
>Sandra Phillips Bodenstein wrote:
>>
>> Heretic <freewil...@fuck-the-skull-of-jesus.mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> I see I hit a nerve. Last comment to you...after this your replies
>> fall on deaf ears. Technically, no one of that time was a
>> metalhead...it did not exist then. Figurativly you yourself proved my
>> point by stating that "metal is open to all philosophies" by that
>> thought...Jesus could very well of prefered metal were he here today.
>> Everything else you stated is cliche. By the way, from the beginning
>> I was up front on where my belief came from...what do you believe in?
>> All your replies are full of small minded cliches and narrow beliefs
>> about religion. At least I'm open to others view and beliefs.
>> If you could say the same you would of just left my opinions alone
>> after I explained why I felt like I did. Like I said before everyone
>> has to find there own belief. Now if you care to be civil and want to
>> now what I belive or feel free to share what you believe feel free to
>> email me...otherwise this conversation is over. I no longer feel like
>> talking to a wall.
>>
>
Sandra Phillips Bodenstein
>
>-Metal is anti-god
>-jesus taught to believe in HIS god or burn in hell
wrong. metal is a type of music..see above posts to see what makes
metal meatl.
One can only speculate on what Jesus actually said since the bible was
written by others. Not to mention everyone knows that there is no
fire and brimstone hell. Most feel hell..like heaven is what you make
of it...one being a form of punishment...one being reward. for
example rotting forever in a pine box and staying aware of it...or
never feeling pain.
>-Metal is anti-conformist
>-jesus told everyone to be born again and be just like him, or burn.
> individuality is abhorred by xtians as being evil
>
Again...your first comment correct..metal is anti-conformist..but
Jesus was the first to go againt the masses. Thats why Pilate had to
Crucify him. So by that I'm again right.
>-Metal is anti-law
>-judeo-xtianity commands the masses to obey
Most metal is anti law.
there you are right which is why, as I stated before, I don't go to
church. duh.
>-Metal is anti-servitude
>-the basis of xtianity is servitude; serving the old fart in the sky
You seem to try serving metal.
The basis of Christianity is worship. I'm guessing you belive in
nothing. Most people belive in something..Wether it be God, Greek
Gods, The Lord and Lady of Wicca, Other Gods or Goddesses..serving is
a basis in all of them one way or another. Doesn't mean any of us are
wrong.
>-Metal is anti-establishment, anti-institution
>-xtianity is big business worldwide with its pathetic churches
>
Both are big business... you buy cd's and go to concerts right?
>-Metal is open to all philosophies
>-xtianity preaches one truth and only one view of the meaning and
> purpose of life...namely serving jewhorevah
>
Christianity preaches things you can't begin to understand..like
forgiveness and sacrifice and being compasionate.
Again, most people serve something.
>-Metal presents a brutally honest outlook on life, accepting reality
>-xtianity is built upon lies, fables, and fairy tales; denies and fears
> reality
>
Which is why I love metal.
Without knowing exactly what I believe the fact that The Bible is full
of parables (something were taught as fiction in the first
place)...and things that were chronicled and thought to be true word
for word I find fascinating...I make sure never to miss A&E's
Mysteries of the Bible...to think revelations was actually first hand
accounts and hopes to put fear in diminishing followers is almost as
interesting as the thought that the number of the beast might be a
name...Nero Caesar. But They have also proven other things to be
true. Watch all the ep's you might learn something.
>-metal is above and beyond fear and guilt
>-without the above 2 there would be no need for jesus
>
Wrong. Metal..esp death metal is because of fear...thats why death is
so predominant in metal songs.
You are dense...Going along the idea of no vigin birth..Jesus would of
been born anyway...it still would of happened.
Besides Fear and guilt are natural ways of keeping us out of trouble
and alive.
Its instinct..esp fear. Jesus had nothing to do with that.
In fact, Jesus only offered a way to help relieve guilt. Kind made
him the first psychologist.
>are you getting this? no? better run to your bible and feed your tiny
>brain with more fables then.
>
You still never said what your belief is. You are the one afraid to
be judged. i have nothing to hide. I have been honest and upfront
and you have spoken only in hate.
I fear only one thing in this life...becoming full of hate and small
minded like you.
>Metal = Satan
Metal=rebelion
Jesus(then)=rebelion
By the way I only offered the email to save you from having to share
how you eating crow. Think before you speak. knowledge is power and
as I see it..your too full of hate to comprehend.
Martyr333
>Jesus(then)=rebelion
That is a bunch of crap. Do you think I buy my cds just because other people
don't and i'm a "rebel" because they lyrics are "bad"?
_Extreme Radio_
Vampire
> Metal is about getting in touch with your hate, not pretending to be helpless
> so you "love" everyone. On each side of the coin is a route to the other.
> Metal is about appreciating your anger, your hatred, and the darkness of life
> as an antidote to the denial which we know as superstition
> (Religion/Commerce).
>
You are all kinds of wrong! I've been listening to metal for 21 years and
I've never once used it to "get in touch with my hate". Neither had any
of the metalheads I knew or hung out with. Sure, it's sometimes been a
vent for anger and frustration, but never hatred. I grew up on Kiss and
Alice Cooper, moved on to glam in the '80s and then to Power Metal, and am
now starting to listen to Black & Death and am really getting into the
trashy end of Doom, and I must say that a love for the music itself is
what it's always been about for me (and I'm sure most would agree).
I know there are many Black Metal fans who thrive on anger and hatred for
all that is not evil, but they are the minority. Most of us don't care
about the lyrics (face it, most of them are unintelligible anyway) or the
philosophies of the band (whether they be
goody-two-shoes-love-your-neighbor christians or
burn-everything-that-moves-slower-than-you devil mongers). If the music
is good, I'll listen to it.
Anger & Hatred will burn you up inside. It'll raise your blood pressure,
raise your stress and keep you up at night. Is it really worth it?
K
Heretic
>
> >
> >-Metal is anti-god
> >-jesus taught to believe in HIS god or burn in hell
>
> wrong. metal is a type of music..see above posts to see what makes
> metal meatl.
idiot. of course to you metal is just a type of music. it's just like
any other type of music like rap or pop- it's commodity, right? this is
where the line is drawn between you and me.
> One can only speculate on what Jesus actually said since the bible was
> written by others. Not to mention everyone knows that there is no
> fire and brimstone hell.
everyone? anyone with a clue laughs at people like you who believe and
fear a little place called "hell."
>
> >-Metal is anti-conformist
> >-jesus told everyone to be born again and be just like him, or burn.
> > individuality is abhorred by xtians as being evil
> >
>
> Again...your first comment correct..metal is anti-conformist..but
> Jesus was the first to go againt the masses. Thats why Pilate had to
> Crucify him. So by that I'm again right.
>
his was for the sake of martyrdom; self-sacrifice. plus the idea is that
he's making an example that others MUST follow. i really don't care how
heroic yehoshua might have been in his day, i attack "jesus christ", the
human deity that the xtians feel we must all be carbon copies of. i
still am failing to see how xtianity can be in favor of free thought.
> >-Metal is anti-law
> >-judeo-xtianity commands the masses to obey
>
> Most metal is anti law.
> there you are right which is why, as I stated before, I don't go to
> church. duh.
>
going to church is a law where you live?
surely you thought more about what might fall under "obey".
> >-Metal is anti-servitude
> >-the basis of xtianity is servitude; serving the old fart in the sky
>
> You seem to try serving metal.
>
as in how? you're not making any sense here.
> The basis of Christianity is worship. I'm guessing you belive in
> nothing. Most people belive in something..Wether it be God, Greek
> Gods, The Lord and Lady of Wicca, Other Gods or Goddesses..serving is
> a basis in all of them one way or another. Doesn't mean any of us are
> wrong.
>
you are "wrong" because you fear yourself, your free will, and life
itself. actively worshipping a god is despicable in my eyes.
> >-Metal is anti-establishment, anti-institution
> >-xtianity is big business worldwide with its pathetic churches
> >
>
> Both are big business... you buy cd's and go to concerts right?
>
i must be dealing with a commercial metaller here. real metal is
underground; the bands, if anything, don't make much. they're not in it
for money anyway. unfortunately, a lot of labels are though. anyway, in
xtianity money is the goal to be achieved. with underground metal, money
is a way to achieve a goal.
> >-Metal is open to all philosophies
> >-xtianity preaches one truth and only one view of the meaning and
> > purpose of life...namely serving jewhorevah
> >
>
> Christianity preaches things you can't begin to understand..like
> forgiveness and sacrifice and being compasionate.
>
oh shut up. you think i don't know about your self-hating religion? all
of the above are based in denial, lies, and hypocrisy. sure, love your
enemies, forgive those that make your life hell...god will warm up your
golden chair in heaven if you do. in fact, why not REALLY be like jesus
and sacrifice YOURSELF for your lord.
> Again, most people serve something.
>
so? is that supposed to justify it? does that make it any better?
most people are selfish liars, so that must be okay then.
> >-Metal presents a brutally honest outlook on life, accepting reality
> >-xtianity is built upon lies, fables, and fairy tales; denies and fears
> > reality
> >
>
> Which is why I love metal.
>
you must be listening to christian metal or perhaps (but not farther
than) commercial metal. i wouldn't consider any of those bands "metal".
distorted guitars and vocals does not make the music METAL.
> Without knowing exactly what I believe the fact that The Bible is full
> of parables (something were taught as fiction in the first
> place)...and things that were chronicled and thought to be true word
> for word I find fascinating...I make sure never to miss A&E's
> Mysteries of the Bible...to think revelations was actually first hand
> accounts and hopes to put fear in diminishing followers is almost as
> interesting as the thought that the number of the beast might be a
> name...Nero Caesar. But They have also proven other things to be
> true. Watch all the ep's you might learn something.
>
i've learned enough to know that your digusting belief system is crap.
> >-metal is above and beyond fear and guilt
> >-without the above 2 there would be no need for jesus
> >
>
> Wrong. Metal..esp death metal is because of fear...thats why death is
> so predominant in metal songs.
>
what the fuck kind of shit are you talking here? have you ever even
heard a REAL death metal band? how is death metal because of fear?
death metal accepts death as a necessity in life, as natural as birth
itself. xtianity, on the other hand, exists solely because of fear of
death and "after". that's why death and the afterlife are so predominant
in xtianity, to use your own words. if humans didn't fear death so much,
they wouldn't kiss god's ass all the time so as to get into heaven.
beautiful images of a golden palace in the clouds in the afterlife is
soothing to many fearful sheep who focus so much of their attention on
death that they forget life.
you are lying to the point of absurdity and i'm sure many are laughing
their ass off at how backwards you are.
> You are dense...Going along the idea of no vigin birth..Jesus would of
> been born anyway...it still would of happened.
> Besides Fear and guilt are natural ways of keeping us out of trouble
> and alive.
this is sheepthink. you need a jesus because you can't handle your free
will. it's a sad statement for humanity.
> Its instinct..esp fear. Jesus had nothing to do with that.
> In fact, Jesus only offered a way to help relieve guilt.
>
by teaching people to serve and love enemies? who really knows (and
cares) about bible stories now? jesus thrives on self-hate and low
self-esteem. as i said, if it wasn't for guilt and fear, there would be
no jesus christ. in my world, there is no "savior". life all the
better.
>
> You still never said what your belief is. You are the one afraid to
> be judged. i have nothing to hide. I have been honest and upfront
> and you have spoken only in hate.
> I fear only one thing in this life...becoming full of hate and small
> minded like you.
>
> >Metal = Satan
>
> Metal=rebelion
> Jesus(then)=rebelion
>
jesus is rebellion for the cause of the conformist.
metal is rebellion for the cause of the individual.
> By the way I only offered the email to save you from having to share
> how you eating crow. Think before you speak. knowledge is power and
> as I see it..your too full of hate to comprehend.
>
give hatred (and life) a chance. of course being honest with yourself
might be too difficult a task for you.
Heretic
Paul Wilbur
> Paul Wilbur wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Heretic wrote:
> >
> > > Paul Wilbur wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Heretic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Daniel Cachapa wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > feca...@yahoo.com wrote in message <78fan3$pob$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > > > > > >Christ was the Kurt Cobain of his age: ruled by his impression of his
> > > > > > >feelings, he did what he could to correct the situation, and then when not
> > > > > > >change occurred in his unthinking fans, became desperate and plotted
> > > > > > >subconsciously toward his own suicide. (Some would say the same of Adolf
> > > > > > >Hitler.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, please. I was saying christ was a metalhead.
> > > > > > What the fuck has metal to do with
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > christ has absolutely NOTHING in common with metal.
> > > >
> > > > Oh yeah? Christ ate food, and metalheads eat food. There's one, should I
> > > > continue?
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > >
> > > what's scary is that you're being serious, paul.
> >
> > No, what's scary is you THINK I am being serious.
> > Paul
>
> The most scary thing is that you think you are being funny.
As long as I laugh, that's all that matters Annatar. Isn't they a
Christain you could be poking with a stick or something?
Paul
>
> Annatar Gorthaur
>
>
Devamitra
> Anger & Hatred will burn you up inside. It'll raise your blood pressure,
> raise your stress and keep you up at night. Is it really worth it?
>
Yes. You can't even imagine. Try it.
LEGALIZE HATRED
--
Devamitra
H E I L S A T A N
"Three steps for the White
A journey for the Black
No flags for the ten lines
but I'll shoot you full of signs"
H E I L W O T A N
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~defender
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http://www.heathenfront.org
Antoinette Flynn
All except the most gullible realise that christianity is one of the
biggest cons of all time - a faerytale losely based on what some guy got
up to about two thousand years ago.
It was a freak accident that the tale of the life and deeds of the
hippy nazarene caught on, definitely a political activist for his people
- as they were a bit down trodden at the time - and probably the first
to invent the peacefull protest concept, but look where that got him.
However, the whole christian thing was started a bit later by (one of
the) st. pauls who who had the idea of having just the one relegion for
everyone, based on some of the seemingly sensible things (he thought)
that this nazarene had said. He included appropriately placed feast days
and a bit of cannibalism to appeal to the pagans that he was hoping to
convert, the element of the magical 3 persons thingy because already
trios were already thought to be sacred, and tons of jewish elements to
appeal to the jews obviously. This 'club' he started soon just became an
excuse for murder and two millenia of atrocities, so the whole plan
backfired somewhat, which is quite amusing.
However, if Hell did exist, it is well known thats where the all of the
best musicians would come from, and would go back to after they had
O.D.'d or topped themselves or drowned in cars in their own swimming
pools or whatever. Obviously.
You might get acts like the spice girls from heaven, they might be
jesus' type of thing, but they have nothing to do with music.
Basically, the christ had nothing to do with metal - he may have been a
rebel at the time, but more in the trendy socialist or mother theresa
vein than in the metal way of doing things. All that bollox about Satan
trying to tempt him for 40 days and nights in the desert - what a ton of
shite. Obviously that was completely made up so that jesus would sound
tough and cool, when it would be closer to the truth to say that had
Satan been there, he would have been sneering and jeering and laughing
at the geeky nerd - jesus would have been begging to be allowed into
Satans gang, and Satan proabably would have just showed him his bottom
in response. So jesus went back to his friends with this story that he
really did not want to be in Satans gang no matter how much he was
begged and tempted.
Also, metal is more than music, as it's true appreciation comes from
inside, and while metal music might not have actually existed 2000 years
ago, metal people DID. Only then they were probably particularly nasty
warriors, or high priests in charge of the ritual sacrifice of virgins
or magicians of the more sinister persuasion. We have always been here.
If you do not know that, you are not truely of Metal - Sandra. And
neither was the christ.
NOT EVER.
--
Antoinette Flynn
Misanthropy Records Ltd.
PO Box 9
Hadleigh
Suffolk IP7 5AU
England
phone: 0044 1473 828 666
fax: 0044 1473 827 288
e-mail: antoi...@msanthr.demon.co.uk
http://listen.to/misanthropy
Sandra Phillips Bodenstein
take my words out of content. Fine- I quit...live in your small
worlds of cliche's and small minds. Read between the lines on what I
said fools.
Untill you've almost died...should of died..don't even think of trying
to judge my words. Things aren't as black and white as you, and
Heretic and some others want them to be.
Oh and by the way I listen to Megadeth, Death Angel, Danzig, Sabbath,
Maiden, Preist, AC/DC, Metallica, Cooper, and many others. So grow
up.
Martyr333
>I feel sorry for all of you. I have been open-minded and you all
>take my words out of content. Fine- I quit...live in your small
>worlds of cliche's and small minds. Read between the lines on what I
>said fools.
>Untill you've almost died...should of died..don't even think of trying
>to judge my words. Things aren't as black and white as you, and
>Heretic and some others want them to be.
>Oh and by the way I listen to Megadeth, Death Angel, Danzig, Sabbath,
>Maiden, Preist, AC/DC, Metallica, Cooper, and many others. So grow
>up.
Ha ha, you listen to crap.
N. Evermind
Sandra Phillips Bodenstein wrote:
> >
> >-Metal is anti-god
> >-jesus taught to believe in HIS god or burn in hell
>
> wrong. metal is a type of music..see above posts to see what makes
> metal meatl.
> One can only speculate on what Jesus actually said since the bible was
> written by others. Not to mention everyone knows that there is no
> fire and brimstone hell. Most feel hell..like heaven is what you make
> of it...one being a form of punishment...one being reward. for
> example rotting forever in a pine box and staying aware of it...or
> never feeling pain.
????
I don't get this at all.
> >-Metal is anti-conformist
> >-jesus told everyone to be born again and be just like him, or burn.
> > individuality is abhorred by xtians as being evil
> >
>
> Again...your first comment correct..metal is anti-conformist..but
> Jesus was the first to go againt the masses. Thats why Pilate had to
> Crucify him. So by that I'm again right.
"Christ" and "christianity" are separate. The bible is a very specific
doctrine, and a lot of the text in it clearly leads to mass conformity. What
Jesus did is irrelevant.
> >-Metal is anti-law
> >-judeo-xtianity commands the masses to obey
>
> Most metal is anti law.
> there you are right which is why, as I stated before, I don't go to
> church. duh.
Why don't you, again?
> >-Metal is anti-servitude
> >-the basis of xtianity is servitude; serving the old fart in the sky
>
> You seem to try serving metal.
> The basis of Christianity is worship. I'm guessing you belive in
> nothing. Most people belive in something..Wether it be God, Greek
> Gods, The Lord and Lady of Wicca, Other Gods or Goddesses..serving is
> a basis in all of them one way or another. Doesn't mean any of us are
> wrong.
No. One does not have to "serve" a god. I believe in god, but I feel no
obligation to follow any rigid moral code or spread my "belief" through fear
or burn people for heresy or spend my life trying to abide by some arbitrary
"divine" laws. Please try to understand this. Believing in a god does not
even mean believing there's some big bearded fellow in the sky who's going
to save you. That is a totally christian concept.
> >-Metal is open to all philosophies
> >-xtianity preaches one truth and only one view of the meaning and
> > purpose of life...namely serving jewhorevah
> >
>
> Christianity preaches things you can't begin to understand..like
> forgiveness and sacrifice and being compasionate.
Which is a "human" value than anything idiosyncratically christian. One does
not have to be in fear of being cast into hell to actually follow all these
moral "rules".
> Again, most people serve something.
Yes. Themselves. The betterment of humanity. Serving anything else is
stupid.
> >-metal is above and beyond fear and guilt
> >-without the above 2 there would be no need for jesus
> >
>
> Wrong. Metal..esp death metal is because of fear
Fear? What sort of fear? Fear of what?
It is a "liberation".
> ...thats why death is
> so predominant in metal songs.
> You are dense...Going along the idea of no vigin birth..Jesus would of
> been born anyway...it still would of happened.
> Besides Fear and guilt are natural ways of keeping us out of trouble
> and alive.
In a way. But of course, when a book makes us feel guilty for being human,
there's something wrong, no?
> Its instinct..esp fear. Jesus had nothing to do with that.
> In fact, Jesus only offered a way to help relieve guilt. Kind made
> him the first psychologist.
????
> >are you getting this? no? better run to your bible and feed your tiny
> >brain with more fables then.
> >
>
> You still never said what your belief is. You are the one afraid to
> be judged.
See below.
> i have nothing to hide. I have been honest and upfront
> and you have spoken only in hate.
> I fear only one thing in this life...becoming full of hate and small
> minded like you.
"Good morning, Worm your honor.The crown will plainly show
The prisoner who now stands before you
Was caught red-handed showing feelings
Showing feelings of an almost human nature;
This will not do."
- The Trial (Pink Floyd)
> >Metal = Satan
>
> Metal=rebelion
> Jesus(then)=rebelion
>
> By the way I only offered the email to save you from having to share
> how you eating crow. Think before you speak. knowledge is power and
> as I see it..your too full of hate to comprehend.
I think you fail to understand exactly what he hates.
Sybren
Phillips Bodenstein) wrote:
>I feel sorry for all of you. I have been open-minded and you all
>take my words out of content. Fine- I quit...live in your small
>worlds of cliche's and small minds.
hehehehe...if anything, taking music seriously is not the sign of a
small mind...
>Read between the lines on what I
>said fools.
>Untill you've almost died...should of died..don't even think of trying
>to judge my words.
_Always_ judge people, _always_ be critical. It's the only way to
advance humanity (and yourself).
>Things aren't as black and white as you, and
>Heretic and some others want them to be.
Not all things of course, and one should always look at things from
multiple angles, but Art is definitely based on 'no-compromise'
ethics.
>Oh and by the way I listen to Megadeth, Death Angel, Danzig, Sabbath,
>Maiden, Preist, AC/DC, Metallica, Cooper, and many others. So grow
>up.
Perhaps you should deepen your musical view...MTV and Classic Rock
Radio aren't exactly the right sources for music...
Sybren
Rotweiler
kc...@anti-social.com wrote in article <78j9vg$p6u$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> Metal is about getting in touch with your hate, not pretending to be
helpless
> so you "love" everyone. On each side of the coin is a route to the
other.
> Metal is about appreciating your anger, your hatred, and the darkness of
life
> as an antidote to the denial which we know as superstition
> (Religion/Commerce).
>
> "We've hid underground long enough || UNDERGROUND RADIO IS WAR
> They've got power but not enough ||
> Time to start, time to act || http://www.kcuf.org/
> They've got our lives -- DRI ||
> They've got us trapped || death metal ambient jazz
> Stab the system - in the back" || hardcore black metal noise
That is the most awesome anthem I've ever read!!!
kc...@anti-social.com
> All except the most gullible realise that christianity is one of the
> biggest cons of all time - a faerytale losely based on what some guy got
> up to about two thousand years ago.
It seems to some of us students of history a more insidious complex: that for
all of human history, external events have been used to justify some
concentration of artificial "power" and thus a reduction of life from a whole
to a series of symbols which can be manipulated to control reality.
Christianity is just the latest in a line of them, including Judaism, Islam,
Zoroastrianism and government itself. Note that we do not criticize Nordic
or Greek religions because the control element is absent, replaced by the
descriptive.
"We've hid underground long enough || UNDERGROUND RADIO IS WAR
They've got power but not enough ||
Time to start, time to act || http://www.kcuf.org/
They've got our lives -- DRI ||
They've got us trapped || death metal ambient jazz
Stab the system - in the back" || hardcore black metal noise
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
kc...@anti-social.com
> Untill you've almost died...should of died..don't even think of trying
> to judge my words. Things aren't as black and white as you, and
> Heretic and some others want them to be.
1) We don't want your fear. Many of us have had near-death experiences and
have come out more resolved away from the fear, rather than into it.
2) You are the one trying to make things black and white with the dogma of
your hateful religion.
3) If you were angered here, the radio shows on the station I work for will
drive you iNsAnE!
brwr...@gte.net
James S Kang
> In article <78j9vg$p6u$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, kc...@anti-social.com wrote:
> > Metal is about getting in touch with your hate, not pretending to be helpless
> > so you "love" everyone. On each side of the coin is a route to the other.
> > Metal is about appreciating your anger, your hatred, and the darkness of life
> > as an antidote to the denial which we know as superstition
> > (Religion/Commerce).
> >
> You are all kinds of wrong! I've been listening to metal for 21 years and
> I've never once used it to "get in touch with my hate". Neither had any
> of the metalheads I knew or hung out with. Sure, it's sometimes been a
> vent for anger and frustration, but never hatred.
I think he meant that it is useful for recognizing and accepting hate (and
maybe letting it go in certain cases), rather than necessarily inflaming it.
I grew up on Kiss and
> Alice Cooper, moved on to glam in the '80s and then to Power Metal, and am
> now starting to listen to Black & Death and am really getting into the
> trashy end of Doom, and I must say that a love for the music itself is
> what it's always been about for me (and I'm sure most would agree).
> I know there are many Black Metal fans who thrive on anger and hatred for
> all that is not evil, but they are the minority. Most of us don't care
> about the lyrics (face it, most of them are unintelligible anyway) or the
> philosophies of the band (whether they be
> goody-two-shoes-love-your-neighbor christians or
> burn-everything-that-moves-slower-than-you devil mongers). If the music
> is good, I'll listen to it.
> Anger & Hatred will burn you up inside. It'll raise your blood pressure,
> raise your stress and keep you up at night. Is it really worth it?
> K
Devamitra
> Note that we do not criticize Nordic
> or Greek religions because the control element is absent, replaced by the
> descriptive.
The strength and/or weakness of a metaphorical concept lies in it's user and
application. I'm afraid that if suddenly USA would turn into Asatru, it would be
christianity with a different name. Weak people worship omnipotent and
authoritarian gods. Immoral hearts surround themselves with rules of "morality".
And those who fear death, give their very lives into the service of jESUS.WOTAN,
interpreted as an "unseen force", easily becomes Jahve. Valhalla becomes Heaven.
"Havamal" becomes the new "Ten Commandments".
That is why I have been lately become disillusioned with the resurgence of
paganism. The external influence, the jewish religion, was not the Black Death
that swept us in the north a millennia ago. The Svartedauen was born within. The
human race has weakened and so has each of it's sub-races. It had it's days of
glory. Now it deserves rest. Join me, my war-brothers, in my quest to put
humanity to it's final sleep of Cold Void and Total Death.
Carmen B.
Metal and religion, religion and metal, what you guys need is a GOOD SHED.
Then you´ll see all that shit you´re writing about is pure nonsense crap.
Pixie grrl
"When you listen to good rock'n'roll, you wanna feel fucking dirty
afterwards. You should feel so dirty you have to take a shower. Rock'n'roll
should be nasty, horrible, disgusting. Rock'n'roll should be like
pornography" -Kim Deal
macnair
all need the reminder of death and hell.
Toci To bear even the sting of an insect
for all eternity would be a dreadful torment. What must it be, then, to
bear the manifold torments of hell forever? Forever! For all
eternity! Not for a year or for an age but forever. Try to imagine the
awful meaning of this...Joyce
kc...@anti-social.com
> > Note that we do not criticize Nordic
> > or Greek religions because the control element is absent, replaced by the
> > descriptive.
>
> The strength and/or weakness of a metaphorical concept lies in it's user and
> application. I'm afraid that if suddenly USA would turn into Asatru, it would
be
> christianity with a different name. Weak people worship omnipotent and
> authoritarian gods. Immoral hearts surround themselves with rules of
"morality".
> And those who fear death, give their very lives into the service of
jESUS.WOTAN,
> interpreted as an "unseen force", easily becomes Jahve. Valhalla becomes
Heaven.
> "Havamal" becomes the new "Ten Commandments".
> That is why I have been lately become disillusioned with the resurgence of
> paganism. The external influence, the jewish religion, was not the Black Death
> that swept us in the north a millennia ago. The Svartedauen was born within.
The
> human race has weakened and so has each of it's sub-races. It had it's days of
> glory. Now it deserves rest. Join me, my war-brothers, in my quest to put
> humanity to it's final sleep of Cold Void and Total Death.
Ever notice that when you're young, you go through periods of growth,
followed by periods of chaos? Worthlessness follows the worthwhile... I
agree about the plague that infested us: it is symbolism, and the materialism
which it suggests. Our future lies in overcoming the error before that,
which is the perceptual error of superstition. Judaism/Christianity are just
convenient vessels for that weakness and are designed to be so; Wotanism and
Greco-Romanism were designed by warriors for the sake of human freedom.
Similarly I find this trend distressing, in that it is a trend: there is no
inherent value to it imparted by most who follow. In the same way, many
recent "Nazis" (no, I am not talking about ISB) use their beliefs as an
outlet for their anger - but we all know an outlet is worthless (masturbatory
drain of energy). Hence stronger educational programs are at work!
One of the most pronounced distinguishers of literacy with this topic from
insanity is the ability to tolerate ambiguity and intangible values. Most
who wish to grab ahold of the Wotan myth and abuse it make it into tangible
polarities, where it is the outside world which shapes the actions of heroes
and not their hearts - they are deprived of joy and desire for a meaningful,
beautiful, passionate life - which is the core of existence. But I have
spoken too much already here. Were I "sane" I would be busy promoting this
radio station so I could sell banners and eventually get rich doing something
remotely related to entertainment. But I must be fucking stupid (?) because
I live with my heart and soul and desire to jump from the highest peak in
order to feel the rush of the fall, rather than to make rationality of fear.
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They've got power but not enough ||
Time to start, time to act || http://www.kcuf.org/
They've got our lives -- DRI ||
They've got us trapped || death metal ambient jazz
Stab the system - in the back" || hardcore black metal noise
feca...@yahoo.com
> > Anger & Hatred will burn you up inside. It'll raise your blood pressure,
> > raise your stress and keep you up at night. Is it really worth it?
You fucking drooling moron... you're afraid of your own emotions. If there
is something worth hating, hate it - doesn't mean you have to hate yourself
like a self-pitying Christian/Jew gasoven bait.
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Devamitra
> One of the most pronounced distinguishers of literacy with this topic from
> insanity is the ability to tolerate ambiguity and intangible values. Most
> who wish to grab ahold of the Wotan myth and abuse it make it into tangible
> polarities, where it is the outside world which shapes the actions of heroes
> and not their hearts - they are deprived of joy and desire for a meaningful,
> beautiful, passionate life - which is the core of existence.
This is the inherent connection I have found with buddhism and paganism, thus
strengthening my theory that the Judeo-Christian way is not "a path among others"
but rather a disease (as we needn't only to look at their behavior).
> Were I "sane" I would be busy promoting this
> radio station so I could sell banners and eventually get rich doing something
> remotely related to entertainment. But I must be fucking stupid (?) because
> I live with my heart and soul and desire to jump from the highest peak in
> order to feel the rush of the fall, rather than to make rationality of fear.
Do not get egoistic because of your choice. I am fighting against the
self-importance of this all the time. We haven't done anything yet. We have gone
nowhere. We are on the fuckin basic level where all the humanity *should* be in the
very beginning. Something is reaaally fucked up. We shouldn't be complimenting
ourselves with the fact that everyone else is just so much worse!
Rainer Deyke
>Anger & Hatred will burn you up inside. It'll raise your blood pressure,
>raise your stress and keep you up at night. Is it really worth it?
That's the whole point! Unacknowledged hatred kills. Only by bringing our
hatred into the open can we transcend it!
The issue isn't hate vs no hate, but repressed hate vs open hate. We all
carry anger and hate inside us. If you refuse to acknowledge it, it will
get worse and worse until it finally kills us. If we allow ourselves to
openly feel our hate without shame, it has no power over us, because we are
in charge.
At least that's my opinion.
Rainer Deyke (rai...@earthlink.net)
"Bearer of my stigma, thou art of me / Yet claim no gift but guidance
For I am the giver of temptation / Thou art the executor of Thy rewards"
- Emperor
none
Heretic wrote:
> Daniel Cachapa wrote:
> >
> > feca...@yahoo.com wrote in message <78fan3$pob$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > >Christ was the Kurt Cobain of his age: ruled by his impression of his
> > >feelings, he did what he could to correct the situation, and then when not
> > >change occurred in his unthinking fans, became desperate and plotted
> > >subconsciously toward his own suicide. (Some would say the same of Adolf
> > >Hitler.)
> >
> > Oh, please. I was saying christ was a metalhead.
> > What the fuck has metal to do with
> >
>
> christ has absolutely NOTHING in common with metal. if you think he
> does, you prove yourself to be incompetent with both subjects.
> doesn't surprise me though. you christian metallers try so hard; at war
> with yourselves and others, twisting reality to suit your needs. it's
> quite funny, and sad.
>
> Heretic
maybe they figure so because of the long hair?
feca...@yahoo.com
> > > Oh, please. I was saying christ was an easy lay.
> > > What the fuck has metal to do with that?
You're right; Christ has nothing to do with metal.
Dennis Dyer
DENIED,ATHEIST,SATAN AND DEICIDE. But considering I was slain for my
ironic musical beliefs I've reincarnated myself and have a band called
HOLY SHIT! :>
EKt...@my-dejanews.com
feca...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> > > > Oh, please. I was saying christ was an easy lay.
> > > > What the fuck has metal to do with that?
>
> You're right; Christ has nothing to do with metal.
King fecal has spoken. So let it be written, so let it be done.
Heretic
>
> In article <7904t9$itb$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> feca...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > > Oh, please. I was saying christ was an easy lay.
> > > > > What the fuck has metal to do with that?
> >
> > You're right; Christ has nothing to do with metal.
>
> King fecal has spoken. So let it be written, so let it be done.
>
is this supposed to be funny? it was stupid the first time.
Heretic
Vampire
<rai...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Vampire wrote in message ...
> >Anger & Hatred will burn you up inside. It'll raise your blood pressure,
> >raise your stress and keep you up at night. Is it really worth it?
>
>
> That's the whole point! Unacknowledged hatred kills. Only by bringing our
> hatred into the open can we transcend it!
>
> The issue isn't hate vs no hate, but repressed hate vs open hate. We all
> carry anger and hate inside us. If you refuse to acknowledge it, it will
> get worse and worse until it finally kills us. If we allow ourselves to
> openly feel our hate without shame, it has no power over us, because we are
> in charge.
>
> At least that's my opinion.
>
> Rainer Deyke (rai...@earthlink.net)
Now *THIS* is the kind of post that makes me rethink my standpoint!!!
(Much better than that loser who just calls me a "fucking drooling moron"
without even a hint of any intelligent commentary to back up his flame -
yes, fecalith, I'm talking about you)
Rainer, you have a damn good point, and I can definitely appreciate your
using metal to "transcend" hate. I'm not into hatred. I can't see hating
a group of people just because they are a particular group of people (ie
christians, jews, italians etc.)
I will, however, admit to a level of hatred while driving. I must go into
a screaming fit at least once between home and work and back again because
of some jackass who feels compelled to pass me on the right (going 25 mph
faster than I'm going), only to pull right in front of me and jam on his
brakes for absolutely no reason. Sometimes I can really sympathise with
hiway gunmen...I bet most people who are shot at actually deserve it.
Sorry for the tangent...now what the hell was I saying?
Anyway, metal as a way to vent hatred...yeah...I'll subscribe to that.
Ken
N. Evermind
EKt...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7904t9$itb$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> feca...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > > Oh, please. I was saying christ was an easy lay.
> > > > > What the fuck has metal to do with that?
> >
> > You're right; Christ has nothing to do with metal.
>
> King fecal has spoken. So let it be written, so let it be done.
EK the dumbass has reacted. So let him be laughed at, let him be ridiculed.
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Heretic
>
> Rainer, you have a damn good point, and I can definitely appreciate your
> using metal to "transcend" hate. I'm not into hatred. I can't see hating
> a group of people just because they are a particular group of people (ie
> christians, jews, italians etc.)
>
you should. first, try to understand why they're hated to begin with. as
far as the third group up there goes...that's another thread :) even if
you still don't hate them, you might at least see where we're coming
from.
> I will, however, admit to a level of hatred while driving. I must go into
> a screaming fit at least once between home and work and back again because
> of some jackass who feels compelled to pass me on the right (going 25 mph
> faster than I'm going), only to pull right in front of me and jam on his
> brakes for absolutely no reason. Sometimes I can really sympathise with
> hiway gunmen...I bet most people who are shot at actually deserve it.
>
i used to have this same problem years ago. nowadays, i have more of a
'greater' passive hatred for things/people in this world that when an
instance like the one above happens, i'm rather indifferent about it.
try hating jews, muslims, and xtians...and your hatred for the smaller,
petty things will disappear.
> Sorry for the tangent...now what the hell was I saying?
>
> Anyway, metal as a way to vent hatred...yeah...I'll subscribe to that.
>
metal as a way to understand and master your hatred.
Heretic
Goma oyan
travels of buddha. Who was from india. So I guess heavy metal has a
strong easter, citar influence?
I dont think so....
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Devamitra
> EKt...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <7904t9$itb$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > feca...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > Oh, please. I was saying christ was an easy lay.
> > > > > > What the fuck has metal to do with that?
> > >
> > > You're right; Christ has nothing to do with metal.
> >
> > King fecal has spoken. So let it be written, so let it be done.
> >
>
> is this supposed to be funny? it was stupid the first time.
It is funny if you note that he is making an unconscious comparison between a
"shit-king" and his Lord!
m_c...@geocities.com
Heretic <freewil...@fuck-the-skull-of-jesus.mit.edu> wrote:
> Vampire wrote:
> >
> > Rainer, you have a damn good point, and I can definitely appreciate your
> > using metal to "transcend" hate. I'm not into hatred. I can't see hating
> > a group of people just because they are a particular group of people (ie
> > christians, jews, italians etc.)
> >
>
> you should. first, try to understand why they're hated to begin with.
Good point - usually it all comes back to stupidity. And everyone is stupid.
So I just make it easy on myself and hate everyone. Fuck being picky...
> as
> far as the third group up there goes...that's another thread :) even if
> you still don't hate them, you might at least see where we're coming
> from.
Don't slag italians - italians rule. Why?:
1) The Mafia 2) 2000 years ago, "Italians" were "Romans", and it was the
Romans that nailed Christ to a tree. 3) We're much better cooks than jews -
Lasagna and Linguine Carbonara beats the shit out of Motzah ball soup and
Gefilte Fish any day!!! 4) We let porn stars into our equivalent of Congress.
> > I will, however, admit to a level of hatred while driving. I must go into
> > a screaming fit at least once between home and work and back again because
> > of some jackass who feels compelled to pass me on the right (going 25 mph
> > faster than I'm going), only to pull right in front of me and jam on his
> > brakes for absolutely no reason. Sometimes I can really sympathise with
> > hiway gunmen...I bet most people who are shot at actually deserve it.
> >
>
> i used to have this same problem years ago. nowadays, i have more of a
> 'greater' passive hatred for things/people in this world that when an
> instance like the one above happens, i'm rather indifferent about it.
> try hating jews, muslims, and xtians...and your hatred for the smaller,
> petty things will disappear.
Try hating everyone - it's even easier.
> > Sorry for the tangent...now what the hell was I saying?
> >
> > Anyway, metal as a way to vent hatred...yeah...I'll subscribe to that.
> >
>
> metal as a way to understand and master your hatred.
Metal as a way to enjoy stoning and drinking. Makes a good soundtrack for
fucking, too, if you pick the right songs. Bolt thrower has some great fuck
grooves...
Lord Vic
David Chiaradia
>
> Good point - usually it all comes back to stupidity. And everyone is stupid.
Self-knowledge is the beginning of wisdom.
> So I just make it easy on myself and hate everyone. Fuck being picky...
Very good ... Finally "people" begin to understand it...
I will add: hate everyone, except a few people you can trust. But if you
trust them, trust them completely or not at all. Yoy must trust a few
people, otherwise I wouldn't be tape-trading or even living in this
world: then I would go away from the "civilized" world to be just be
myself in a complete desolate area.
> Don't slag italians - italians rule. Why?:
>
> 1) The Mafia 2) 2000 years ago, "Italians" were "Romans", and it was the
> Romans that nailed Christ to a tree. 3) We're much better cooks than jews -
> Lasagna and Linguine Carbonara beats the shit out of Motzah ball soup and
> Gefilte Fish any day!!! 4) We let porn stars into our equivalent of Congress.
Don't forget the hot Italian chicks (as long as they're under 25 years
old)...
> Try hating everyone - it's even easier.
That's true: that's very easy.
> > metal as a way to understand and master your hatred.
I can completely approve this!!!
> Metal as a way to enjoy stoning and drinking. Makes a good soundtrack for
> fucking, too, if you pick the right songs. Bolt thrower has some great fuck
> grooves...
More or less, but their albums are too short for that purpose (unless
you use the repeat-button or a multi-CD player...
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Annatar Gorthaur
>
> In article <36B6DA...@fuck-the-skull-of-jesus.mit.edu>,
> Heretic <freewil...@fuck-the-skull-of-jesus.mit.edu> wrote:
> > Vampire wrote:
> > >
> > > Rainer, you have a damn good point, and I can definitely appreciate your
> > > using metal to "transcend" hate. I'm not into hatred. I can't see hating
> > > a group of people just because they are a particular group of people (ie
> > > christians, jews, italians etc.)
Use your hate. It is part of you. Why neglect it?
> >
> > you should. first, try to understand why they're hated to begin with.
>
> Good point - usually it all comes back to stupidity. And everyone is stupid.
> So I just make it easy on myself and hate everyone. Fuck being picky...
Generally I do *not* like people. When I see that someone tattooed
Raymond van Barneveld (world champion of darts, duh!) on his shoulder, I
am strengthened in this conviction. Or when I see the mentally disabled
of our society (not referring to Down's syndrome; I'm referring to
99.999 % of all people) in "Sex voor de Büch", where people can see
their secret sexual desires fulfilled (saw it once; it sounds fun but it
is quite unworthy).
Only in a society like ours can these mind-bogglingly inane things come
to existence. Fuck them.
> > as
> > far as the third group up there goes...that's another thread :) even if
> > you still don't hate them, you might at least see where we're coming
> > from.
>
> Don't slag italians - italians rule. Why?:
>
> 1) The Mafia 2) 2000 years ago, "Italians" were "Romans", and it was the
> Romans that nailed Christ to a tree. 3) We're much better cooks than jews -
> Lasagna and Linguine Carbonara beats the shit out of Motzah ball soup and
> Gefilte Fish any day!!! 4) We let porn stars into our equivalent of Congress.
1) The mafia might be funny, but they're just thinking about money,
nothing else.
2) Fuck the romans! They absorbed *loads* of mythological stories and
couldn't devise anything of their own, they had to steal all stories and
art. Or imitate it. And besides, the romans did *not* crucify christ.
The jews did that... The romans didn't approve *or* disprove.
3) Italian kitchen is OK, but any fool can make macaroni, spaghetti or
pizza.
4) That porn star is a very ugly one, far from erotic or sexy even.
5) Italia is one of the most catholic/christian countries in the world.
The pope lives there, dammit. Burn.
(this is even better than slagging Dummy Burger =))
> > > I will, however, admit to a level of hatred while driving. I must go into
> > > a screaming fit at least once between home and work and back again because
> > > of some jackass who feels compelled to pass me on the right (going 25 mph
> > > faster than I'm going), only to pull right in front of me and jam on his
> > > brakes for absolutely no reason. Sometimes I can really sympathise with
> > > hiway gunmen...I bet most people who are shot at actually deserve it.
> > >
> >
> > i used to have this same problem years ago. nowadays, i have more of a
> > 'greater' passive hatred for things/people in this world that when an
> > instance like the one above happens, i'm rather indifferent about it.
> > try hating jews, muslims, and xtians...and your hatred for the smaller,
> > petty things will disappear.
>
> Try hating everyone - it's even easier.
Easy? If I wanted the "easy" side I'd hate nobody...
Annatar Gorthaur
Vampire
<freewil...@fuck-the-skull-of-jesus.mit.edu> wrote:
> Vampire wrote:
> >
> > Rainer, you have a damn good point, and I can definitely appreciate your
> > using metal to "transcend" hate. I'm not into hatred. I can't see hating
> > a group of people just because they are a particular group of people (ie
> > christians, jews, italians etc.)
> >
>
>
> you should. first, try to understand why they're hated to begin with. as
> far as the third group up there goes...that's another thread :) even if
> you still don't hate them, you might at least see where we're coming
> from.
>
>
> Heretic
Oh, I see where you're coming from. I greatly dislike organized religion
in general. I dislike the dogma, the "righteous killings" and especially
the politics (I feel that religion is really another form of politics).
But the people who follow these religions generally don't bolster these
politics. Yes, I know that they still feel everything unlike them is evil
and is destined to burn in hell, but most of them aren't out to destroy
everyone else.
the Church as an entity, I can do without. They are more interested in
politicking than worshipping (why else won't Catholics allow Protestants
to take communion in mass? - Pretentious bastards!)
But the little people aren't out to hurt anyone...most of them are just
interested in praying and being saved. I don't have a problem with them.
Now if they are trying to reform me or drag me to church on my sleep-in
day, they better be ready to rumble.
As for the Italians, I just needed a quick 3rd party to list on the fly,
and remembered the thread about never trusting Italians, so put them
down. I'm 50% Italian, btw 8^} and oh, how I remember little anna
bertuca from high school...mmmmmmmm.
Sybren
>1) The Mafia 2) 2000 years ago, "Italians" were "Romans", and it was the
>Romans that nailed Christ to a tree. 3) We're much better cooks than jews -
>Lasagna and Linguine Carbonara beats the shit out of Motzah ball soup and
>Gefilte Fish any day!!! 4) We let porn stars into our equivalent of Congress.
5) Ferrari
6) Maserati
7) Lamborghini
8) Ducati
Sybren
m_c...@geocities.com
Annatar Gorthaur <maartenj***@**l*x.st*ud*ent.wau**.nl> wrote:
> > Romans that nailed Christ to a tree. 3) We're much better cooks than jews -
> > Lasagna and Linguine Carbonara beats the shit out of Motzah ball soup and
> > Gefilte Fish any day!!! 4) We let porn stars into our equivalent of
Congress.
>
> nothing else.
Well, that and killing, and any group that kills ought to be applauded for
reducing the number of human cattle in the world. Besides, they're snazzy
dressers...
> 2) Fuck the romans! They absorbed *loads* of mythological stories and
> couldn't devise anything of their own, they had to steal all stories and
> art. Or imitate it.
Yet this unoriginal culture created an empire that lasted longer than any
other empire on the face of the earth.
> And besides, the romans did *not* crucify christ.
> The jews did that... The romans didn't approve *or* disprove.
Eh, semantics. Pilate LET them kill Christ, and still the jews killed him
using a method that the ROMANS devised (and they knew it was so horridly
painful that they outlawed crucifixion of roman citizens).
> 3) Italian kitchen is OK, but any fool can make macaroni, spaghetti or
> pizza.
That's not italian food - that's what most people think italian food is. Try
some REAL italian food and you'll never go back (but your waistline will hate
you for it...)
> 4) That porn star is a very ugly one, far from erotic or sexy even.
I'm sure most people here would rather fuck her than, say, Bob Barr or Max
Cleland... The closest this country has come to something that far out (a
celebrity in power) is Governor Jesse "The Mind" Ventura. Oh yeah, and we did
have Ronald Reagan a few years ago, didn't we...
> 5) Italia is one of the most catholic/christian countries in the world.
> The pope lives there, dammit. Burn.
Actually, the pope lives in Vatican City, which is independent of Italy. We
just tolerate him to make up for emperor Caligula.
Oh yeah, another cool thing about italians - the country itself - Italians
kick so much ass the country is shaped like a boot!! :)
> (this is even better than slagging Dummy Burger =))
Or Panterrible.
> >
> > Try hating everyone - it's even easier.
>
> Easy? If I wanted the "easy" side I'd hate nobody...
different strokes, I guess... I can hate without even thinking about it.
Whatever...
James S Kang
> > 2) Fuck the romans! They absorbed *loads* of mythological stories and
> > couldn't devise anything of their own, they had to steal all stories and
> > art. Or imitate it.
> Yet this unoriginal culture created an empire that lasted longer than any
> other empire on the face of the earth.
If you only count the empires that had the word "Empire" in their name.
> > And besides, the romans did *not* crucify christ.
> > The jews did that... The romans didn't approve *or* disprove.
> Eh, semantics. Pilate LET them kill Christ, and still the jews killed him
> using a method that the ROMANS devised (and they knew it was so horridly
> painful that they outlawed crucifixion of roman citizens).
None of that matters since Christianity became the official Roman religion a
couple hundred years later, anyway.
Jeroen J.-W. Tiggelman
>So I guess heavy metal has a strong easter, citar influence?
Maybe not, but at least Solitude Aeturnus' "The 9th day:
Awakening" from "Through the darkest hour" has some great
sitar playing. ;-)
(Yes, I know that is not what you were talking about.)
--Jeroen--------------------------------------------------
Tiggelman jtig...@gironet.nl (private)
kc...@anti-social.com
> > > > Rainer, you have a damn good point, and I can definitely appreciate your
> > > > using metal to "transcend" hate. I'm not into hatred. I can't see
hating
> > > > a group of people just because they are a particular group of people (ie
> > > > christians, jews, italians etc.)
>
> Use your hate. It is part of you. Why neglect it?
Artificial teleology. Hate is not where you end up, but where you start. If
you do not fear it, that is. If you fear it, it will forever rule you. See
Christians for a good example.
> > Good point - usually it all comes back to stupidity. And everyone is
stupid.
> > So I just make it easy on myself and hate everyone. Fuck being picky...
>
> Generally I do *not* like people. When I see that someone tattooed
> Raymond van Barneveld (world champion of darts, duh!) on his shoulder, I
> am strengthened in this conviction. Or when I see the mentally disabled
> of our society (not referring to Down's syndrome; I'm referring to
> 99.999 % of all people) in "Sex voor de Büch", where people can see
> their secret sexual desires fulfilled (saw it once; it sounds fun but it
> is quite unworthy).
> Only in a society like ours can these mind-bogglingly inane things come
> to existence. Fuck them.
They are afraid of their desires, their dreams, their hopes and their
visions, so they turn them into things of the past tense - decided already,
pre-determined, and outside of their control. They do not wish to awake to
the beauty of life. In fact, they are so afraid of life, that they have made
death inaccessible, so they never notice they are alive.
> > Don't slag italians - italians rule. Why?:
> >
> > 1) The Mafia 2) 2000 years ago, "Italians" were "Romans", and it was the
> > Romans that nailed Christ to a tree. 3) We're much better cooks than jews -
> > Lasagna and Linguine Carbonara beats the shit out of Motzah ball soup and
> > Gefilte Fish any day!!! 4) We let porn stars into our equivalent of
Congress.
>
> 1) The mafia might be funny, but they're just thinking about money,
> nothing else.
Not true, at least not in Sicily. The Mafia arose because local government
was too corrupt, and in fact served a useful social function and were good to
their community. While it's different in America, the Sicilian Mafia is
***gentle*** compared to the Russians, Asians, and Jews.
> 2) Fuck the romans! They absorbed *loads* of mythological stories and
> couldn't devise anything of their own, they had to steal all stories and
> art. Or imitate it. And besides, the romans did *not* crucify christ.
> The jews did that... The romans didn't approve *or* disprove.
They were entirely indifferent. "Another crackpot? Sure, we'll nail him up."
> 3) Italian kitchen is OK, but any fool can make macaroni, spaghetti or
> pizza.
Yeah right. That's like saying any fool can make Mexican food. Any fool can
make home-cooked Taco Bell, but very few can do it well.
> > Try hating everyone - it's even easier.
>
> Easy? If I wanted the "easy" side I'd hate nobody...
Hating everyone and hating no one are the same. It's "equality" of the sort
that is designed to remove all tension from the decision.
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Annatar Gorthaur
> > > Don't slag italians - italians rule. Why?:
> > >
> > > 1) The Mafia 2) 2000 years ago, "Italians" were "Romans", and it was the
> > > Romans that nailed Christ to a tree. 3) We're much better cooks than jews -
> > > Lasagna and Linguine Carbonara beats the shit out of Motzah ball soup and
> > > Gefilte Fish any day!!! 4) We let porn stars into our equivalent of
> Congress.
> >
> > 1) The mafia might be funny, but they're just thinking about money,
> > nothing else.
>
> Not true, at least not in Sicily. The Mafia arose because local government
> was too corrupt, and in fact served a useful social function and were good to
> their community.
How so?
> > 3) Italian kitchen is OK, but any fool can make macaroni, spaghetti or
> > pizza.
>
> Yeah right. That's like saying any fool can make Mexican food. Any fool can
> make home-cooked Taco Bell, but very few can do it well.
Not in holland... But I don't like the italian kitchen anyway. I have
had italian plates cooked by dozens of people, and most of them weren't
*truly* worthwhile (except the pizza's of one person whose name I will
not mention since he is a bluegrass fan anyway).
Annatar Gorthaur
m_c...@geocities.com
Annatar Gorthaur <maartenj***@**l*x.st*ud*ent.wau**.nl> wrote:
> kc...@anti-social.com wrote:
>
> > >
> > > 1) The mafia might be funny, but they're just thinking about money,
> > > nothing else.
> >
> > Not true, at least not in Sicily. The Mafia arose because local government
> > was too corrupt, and in fact served a useful social function and were good
to
> > their community.
>
> How so?
They were robin-hood-like, in a way. The way I understand it, Sicilian
government is horribly repressive, and the Mafia is like the underground
resistance - they take care of the citizens in their area and squash anyone
dumb enough to fuck with them. That carried over when they came to America,
but since all anyone respects in America is money, that's how they came to be
the stigmatized 'crime lords' that everyone thinks they are. Though it's
quite a bit romaticized, try reading Mario Puzo's "The Godfather" for a
glimpse into that whole thing.
(BTW - apologies in advance for inaccuracies. My family was Neapolitan, not
Sicilian, and grandpappy died before I was old enough to interrogate him about
all the good stuff.)
> > > 3) Italian kitchen is OK, but any fool can make macaroni, spaghetti or
> > > pizza.
> >
> > Yeah right. That's like saying any fool can make Mexican food. Any fool
can
> > make home-cooked Taco Bell, but very few can do it well.
>
> Not in holland... But I don't like the italian kitchen anyway. I have
> had italian plates cooked by dozens of people, and most of them weren't
> *truly* worthwhile (except the pizza's of one person whose name I will
> not mention since he is a bluegrass fan anyway).
Try a real italian restaurant - and anything that isn't a hole in the wall
place (i.e. OLIVE GARDEN) is NOT a REAL italian restaurant. And don't stick
to the typical spaghetti/lasagna/fettucine alfredo dishes. Try something
really out there...
Lord Vic
m_c...@geocities.com
holy-ghost@nwuSPAM_HOLOCAUST.edu wrote:
> m_c...@geocities.com wrote:
>
> > > 2) Fuck the romans! They absorbed *loads* of mythological stories and
> > > couldn't devise anything of their own, they had to steal all stories and
> > > art. Or imitate it.
>
> > other empire on the face of the earth.
>
> If you only count the empires that had the word "Empire" in their name.
Curiosity, not argument - name one...
> > > And besides, the romans did *not* crucify christ.
> > > The jews did that... The romans didn't approve *or* disprove.
>
> > Eh, semantics. Pilate LET them kill Christ, and still the jews killed
him
> > using a method that the ROMANS devised (and they knew it was so horridly
> > painful that they outlawed crucifixion of roman citizens).
>
> None of that matters since Christianity became the official Roman religion a
> couple hundred years later, anyway.
Which led to the fall, which only goes to show - turning the other cheek only
works against other people stupid enough to be christians too. The strong
inherit the earth; the meek inherit shit and a dirt blanket six feet deep.
Besides, the Romans gave us Caligula...now THERE was a ruler! :)
Jason Christie
>
> Heretic wrote:
>
> > Daniel Cachapa wrote:
> > >
> > > feca...@yahoo.com wrote in message <78fan3$pob$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > > >Christ was the Kurt Cobain of his age: ruled by his impression of his
> > > >feelings, he did what he could to correct the situation, and then when not
> > > >change occurred in his unthinking fans, became desperate and plotted
> > > >subconsciously toward his own suicide. (Some would say the same of Adolf
> > > >Hitler.)
> > >
> > > What the fuck has metal to do with
> > >
> >
> > does, you prove yourself to be incompetent with both subjects.
> > doesn't surprise me though. you christian metallers try so hard; at war
> > with yourselves and others, twisting reality to suit your needs. it's
> > quite funny, and sad.
> >
> > Heretic
>
> maybe they figure so because of the long hair?
Because he was a gay, pot-smoking anarchist who kicked it with whores
and lepers?
Jason Christ
Jason Christie
>
> In article <7904t9$itb$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> feca...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > > Oh, please. I was saying christ was an easy lay.
> > > > > What the fuck has metal to do with that?
> >
> > You're right; Christ has nothing to do with metal.
>
> King fecal has spoken. So let it be written, so let it be done.
Kiss the ring, bitch.
Jason Christie
>
> EKt...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > In article <7904t9$itb$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > feca...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > Oh, please. I was saying christ was an easy lay.
> > > > > > What the fuck has metal to do with that?
> > >
> > > You're right; Christ has nothing to do with metal.
> >
> > King fecal has spoken. So let it be written, so let it be done.
>
I'll fuck you all up like an ounce of red rock opium.
Jason Christfucker
>
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> > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
>
Jason Christie
>
> In article <78u3fr$1j7$2...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Rainer Deyke"
> <rai...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Vampire wrote in message ...
> > >Anger & Hatred will burn you up inside. It'll raise your blood pressure,
> > >raise your stress and keep you up at night. Is it really worth it?
> >
> >
> > That's the whole point! Unacknowledged hatred kills. Only by bringing our
> > hatred into the open can we transcend it!
> >
> > The issue isn't hate vs no hate, but repressed hate vs open hate. We all
> > carry anger and hate inside us. If you refuse to acknowledge it, it will
> > get worse and worse until it finally kills us. If we allow ourselves to
> > openly feel our hate without shame, it has no power over us, because we are
> > in charge.
> >
> > At least that's my opinion.
> >
> > Rainer Deyke (rai...@earthlink.net)
>
> Now *THIS* is the kind of post that makes me rethink my standpoint!!!
> (Much better than that loser who just calls me a "fucking drooling moron"
> without even a hint of any intelligent commentary to back up his flame -
> yes, fecalith, I'm talking about you)
>
> using metal to "transcend" hate. I'm not into hatred. I can't see hating
> a group of people just because they are a particular group of people (ie
> christians, jews, italians etc.)
>
> a screaming fit at least once between home and work and back again because
> of some jackass who feels compelled to pass me on the right (going 25 mph
> faster than I'm going), only to pull right in front of me and jam on his
> brakes for absolutely no reason. Sometimes I can really sympathise with
> hiway gunmen...I bet most people who are shot at actually deserve it.
>
>
> Anyway, metal as a way to vent hatred...yeah...I'll subscribe to that.
>
I hate you.
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Jason Christie
>
> In article <79acp3$5...@news.acns.nwu.edu>,
> holy-ghost@nwuSPAM_HOLOCAUST.edu wrote:
> > m_c...@geocities.com wrote:
> >
> > > > 2) Fuck the romans! They absorbed *loads* of mythological stories and
> > > > couldn't devise anything of their own, they had to steal all stories and
> > > > art. Or imitate it.
> >
> > > Yet this unoriginal culture created an empire that lasted longer than any
> > > other empire on the face of the earth.
> >
> > If you only count the empires that had the word "Empire" in their name.
>
> Curiosity, not argument - name one...
>
> > > > And besides, the romans did *not* crucify christ.
> > > > The jews did that... The romans didn't approve *or* disprove.
> >
> > > Eh, semantics. Pilate LET them kill Christ, and still the jews killed
> him
> > > using a method that the ROMANS devised (and they knew it was so horridly
> > > painful that they outlawed crucifixion of roman citizens).
> >
> > None of that matters since Christianity became the official Roman religion a
> > couple hundred years later, anyway.
>
> Which led to the fall, which only goes to show - turning the other cheek only
> works against other people stupid enough to be christians too. The strong
> inherit the earth; the meek inherit shit and a dirt blanket six feet deep.
>
> Besides, the Romans gave us Caligula...now THERE was a ruler! :)
>
EMPIRE OF PERVERSION
http://www.kcuf.org/
> Lord Vic
Somebody
>> > Yet this unoriginal culture created an empire that lasted longer than
any
>> > other empire on the face of the earth.
>>
>> If you only count the empires that had the word "Empire" in their name.
>
>Curiosity, not argument - name one...
>
Egypt.
James S Kang
> In article <79acp3$5...@news.acns.nwu.edu>,
> holy-ghost@nwuSPAM_HOLOCAUST.edu wrote:
> > m_c...@geocities.com wrote:
> >
> > > > 2) Fuck the romans! They absorbed *loads* of mythological stories and
> > > > couldn't devise anything of their own, they had to steal all stories and
> > > > art. Or imitate it.
> >
> > > other empire on the face of the earth.
> >
> > If you only count the empires that had the word "Empire" in their name.
> Curiosity, not argument - name one...
Counting the republic, the Roman Empire started in 509 BC and lasted until
476, when some German guys killed the last Roman emperor. That's about 1,000
years.
The Ancient Egyptian empire existed for 3,000 years as a sovereign entity,
with an unbroken chain of native rulers until 332 BC.
Of course, Egypt was not nearly as large as the Roman Empire. China,
however, was about as large or larger, and it started (as an empire ruled by
one government) in 18th century BC. In 220 to 581 it was in the hands of
non-Chinese invaders. So, that's about 2,000 continous years as a sovereign
entity. Then, from 581 to 1911, they continued.
After that, they were a republic, then a "People's Republic," but I'm not sure
these things can count as empires.
A lot of those really ancient empires lasted a while, but I don't know much
about them.
Special Thanx to Encyclopedia Britannica!
> > > using a method that the ROMANS devised (and they knew it was so horridly
> > > painful that they outlawed crucifixion of roman citizens).
> >
> > None of that matters since Christianity became the official Roman religion a
> > couple hundred years later, anyway.
> Which led to the fall, which only goes to show - turning the other cheek only
> works against other people stupid enough to be christians too. The strong
> inherit the earth; the meek inherit shit and a dirt blanket six feet deep.
Well, they figured it would be a better way to control people - which it
was, as shown by its effective execution in Europe later on. So, it could
have been something else.
> Besides, the Romans gave us Caligula...now THERE was a ruler! :)
They made some porno movie about him.
Annatar Gorthaur
>
> In article <36b91...@wau.nl>,
> Annatar Gorthaur <maartenj***@**l*x.st*ud*ent.wau**.nl> wrote:
> > kc...@anti-social.com wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > 1) The mafia might be funny, but they're just thinking about money,
> > > > nothing else.
> > >
> > > Not true, at least not in Sicily. The Mafia arose because local government
> > > was too corrupt, and in fact served a useful social function and were good
> to
> > > their community.
> >
> > How so?
>
> They were robin-hood-like, in a way. The way I understand it, Sicilian
> government is horribly repressive, and the Mafia is like the underground
> resistance - they take care of the citizens in their area and squash anyone
> dumb enough to fuck with them. That carried over when they came to America,
> but since all anyone respects in America is money, that's how they came to be
> the stigmatized 'crime lords' that everyone thinks they are. Though it's
> quite a bit romaticized, try reading Mario Puzo's "The Godfather" for a
> glimpse into that whole thing.
"Ookey doke" =)
> (BTW - apologies in advance for inaccuracies. My family was Neapolitan, not
> Sicilian, and grandpappy died before I was old enough to interrogate him about
> all the good stuff.)
Yeah first I have >10 fantasy novels on list and maybe after *those*...
Is the movie any good?
> > > > 3) Italian kitchen is OK, but any fool can make macaroni, spaghetti or
> > > > pizza.
> > >
> > > Yeah right. That's like saying any fool can make Mexican food. Any fool
> can
> > > make home-cooked Taco Bell, but very few can do it well.
> >
> > Not in holland... But I don't like the italian kitchen anyway. I have
> > had italian plates cooked by dozens of people, and most of them weren't
> > *truly* worthwhile (except the pizza's of one person whose name I will
> > not mention since he is a bluegrass fan anyway).
>
> Try a real italian restaurant - and anything that isn't a hole in the wall
> place (i.e. OLIVE GARDEN) is NOT a REAL italian restaurant. And don't stick
> to the typical spaghetti/lasagna/fettucine alfredo dishes. Try something
> really out there...
... of course. Always try the unusual things. I will remove my opinion
of the italian kitchen and start again from scratch! I'd like some good
URL for (vegetarian, heh) Italian recipes (if someone knows'em, thanks
in advance). I think more cooks are active in the metal community, so
feel free to post it here, you all =)
Annatar Gorthaur
kc...@anti-social.com
> > > > > And besides, the romans did *not* crucify christ.
> > > > > The jews did that... The romans didn't approve *or* disprove.
It's just an injustice of history that either party got their before the KCUF
staff did. Christ would have died leaking sperm, blood, lymph, shit, LSD and
gefilte fish if we'd had a shot at him.
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ex...@my-dejanews.com
kc...@anti-social.com wrote:
>
>
> > > > > > And besides, the romans did *not* crucify christ.
> > > > > > The jews did that... The romans didn't approve *or* disprove.
>
> It's just an injustice of history that either party got their before the KCUF
> staff did. Christ would have died leaking sperm, blood, lymph, shit, LSD and
> gefilte fish if we'd had a shot at him.
>
your thoughts are so deep! Whatever would we do without people like you?
exact
m_c...@geocities.com
Annatar Gorthaur <maartenj***@**l*x.st*ud*ent.wau**.nl> wrote:
> m_c...@geocities.com wrote:
> >
> > (BTW - apologies in advance for inaccuracies. My family was Neapolitan, not
> > Sicilian, and grandpappy died before I was old enough to interrogate him
about
> > all the good stuff.)
>
> Yeah first I have >10 fantasy novels on list and maybe after *those*...
> Is the movie any good?
The first one is great, the second one is really good - the second one has
'flashbacks', and flips between The Don as a young man, how he got started in
crime (a GREAT job by Robert DeNiro), and then Al Pacino as Michael Corleone
in the 50s and 60s. All the flashback stuff from 2 is in the book, as is all
the stuff in the first movie, but you miss some great stuff if you don't read
the book - make time. Trust me, you WON'T be disappointed. Mario Puzo is a
very gifted writer.
> >
> > Try a real italian restaurant - and anything that isn't a hole in the wall
> > place (i.e. OLIVE GARDEN) is NOT a REAL italian restaurant. And don't stick
> > to the typical spaghetti/lasagna/fettucine alfredo dishes. Try something
> > really out there...
>
> ... of course. Always try the unusual things. I will remove my opinion
> of the italian kitchen and start again from scratch! I'd like some good
> URL for (vegetarian, heh) Italian recipes (if someone knows'em, thanks
> in advance). I think more cooks are active in the metal community, so
> feel free to post it here, you all =)
I'll have to hunt around some. Anyone else?
Don Vic
m_c...@geocities.com
holy-ghost@nwuSPAM_HOLOCAUST.edu wrote:
> m_c...@geocities.com wrote:
> > > > Yet this unoriginal culture created an empire that lasted longer than
any
> > > > other empire on the face of the earth.
> > >
> > > If you only count the empires that had the word "Empire" in their name.
>
> > Curiosity, not argument - name one...
>
> Counting the republic, the Roman Empire started in 509 BC and lasted until
> 476, when some German guys killed the last Roman emperor. That's about 1,000
> years.
>
> The Ancient Egyptian empire existed for 3,000 years as a sovereign entity,
> with an unbroken chain of native rulers until 332 BC.
>
> Of course, Egypt was not nearly as large as the Roman Empire. China,
> however, was about as large or larger, and it started (as an empire ruled by
> one government) in 18th century BC. In 220 to 581 it was in the hands of
> non-Chinese invaders. So, that's about 2,000 continous years as a sovereign
> entity. Then, from 581 to 1911, they continued.
>
> After that, they were a republic, then a "People's Republic," but I'm not sure
> these things can count as empires.
>
> A lot of those really ancient empires lasted a while, but I don't know much
> about them.
>
> Special Thanx to Encyclopedia Britannica!
Goddammit, I hate being wrong. No wonder I barely squeaked by in History!
Thou hast vanquished me on this point. Still, the Romans were no slouches -
1000 years is nothing to sneeze at, and we did beat Hannibal, one of ancient
warfare's most gifted strategists and tacticians.
> > Besides, the Romans gave us Caligula...now THERE was a ruler! :)
>
> They made some porno movie about him.
I know - hard to believe Malcolm McDowell decided to do that film... (or
maybe not - after A Clockwork Orange... I'll never think of the Wm. Tell
Overture the same way again... :)
Lord Vic
m_c...@geocities.com
vam...@bite.me (Vampire) wrote:
> In article <36B6DA...@fuck-the-skull-of-jesus.mit.edu>, Heretic
> <freewil...@fuck-the-skull-of-jesus.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> As for the Italians, I just needed a quick 3rd party to list on the fly,
> and remembered the thread about never trusting Italians, so put them
> down. I'm 50% Italian, btw 8^} and oh, how I remember little anna
> bertuca from high school...mmmmmmmm.
>
Yeah - there's two kinds of Italian Chicks: The 500 pound "mama's" who are
always feeding you, then those fucking hot model-looking chicks that can make
a guy cum just by batting their eyelashes. Sure the distribution isn't even
50/50, I'm sure, but even 75/25 is worth it for THAT 25%... 8) <=====8
sto...@my-dejanews.com
I believe there are two versions of Caligula. The more famous actors of
the movie (Malcom McDowell, Helen Mirren, Peter O' Toole) were probably not
aware of the x-rated version. It's a pretty funny movie, though.
John.
---
"Christians standing breathless
Circus victims panic struck
Scream Arena Butchery
Where is their god as the faithful meet their end?"
bel...@my-dejanews.com
> I believe there are two versions of Caligula. The more famous actors of
> the movie (Malcom McDowell, Helen Mirren, Peter O' Toole) were probably not
> aware of the x-rated version. It's a pretty funny movie, though.
>
> John.
There was only one Caligula with those actors in it. It was the 70's and
dirty movies were more acceptable. Helen Mirren gets naked in most movies
she's in anyway. (I bought some british mag last year because it had an Anal
Cunt article and the first thing I saw when I opened it was Helen Mirrens
tits) It was only softcore porn, not like Debbie Does Dallas. HBO could show
it, no problem. It was produced by Bob Guccioni, so I think the actors knew
what they were getting into. Unfortunately, besides the sex and torture
scenes, which are few and far between, the rest of the movie is unbelievably
boring and it's so loooooong.
sto...@my-dejanews.com
bel...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <79f44f$unv$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
>
> > I believe there are two versions of Caligula. The more famous actors of
> > the movie (Malcom McDowell, Helen Mirren, Peter O' Toole) were probably not
> > aware of the x-rated version. It's a pretty funny movie, though.
> >
> > John.
>
> There was only one Caligula with those actors in it. It was the 70's and
> dirty movies were more acceptable. Helen Mirren gets naked in most movies
> she's in anyway. (I bought some british mag last year because it had an Anal
> Cunt article and the first thing I saw when I opened it was Helen Mirrens
> tits) It was only softcore porn, not like Debbie Does Dallas. HBO could show
> it, no problem. It was produced by Bob Guccioni, so I think the actors knew
> what they were getting into. Unfortunately, besides the sex and torture
> scenes, which are few and far between, the rest of the movie is unbelievably
> boring and it's so loooooong.
Nope. I've seen the x-rated hardcore version of Caligula. It had
very graphic scenes of lesbians, a cumshot and even some faggots sucking
dick. None of the real actors were involved in these scenes of course.
John.
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Circus victims panic struck
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Jeroen J.-W. Tiggelman
>his was for the sake of martyrdom; self-sacrifice. plus the
>idea is that he's making an example that others MUST follow.
I see the self-sacrifice, but the value places in martyrdom seems
secondary and external to me. I also don't see the coercion.
>i attack "jesus christ", the human deity that the xtians feel we
>must all be carbon copies of. i still am failing to see how xtianity
>can be in favor of free thought.
Okay. Maybe I'll join in the discussion when you are talking about
the same topic as the other posters in some discussion then, but
not now.
>> In fact, Jesus only offered a way to help relieve guilt.
I'd hope not.
--Jeroen--------------------------------------------------
Tiggelman jtig...@gironet.nl (private)
Jeroen J.-W. Tiggelman
>have not nor will ever understand the philosophical foundations
>of metal, [..]
Which is a good thing, 'cause that means one delusion less..
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Tiggelman jtig...@gironet.nl (private)
Jeroen J.-W. Tiggelman
>Suicide, to Catholics is a sin...it's a form of murder.
That is one interpretation of "murder".
>I realize some people have chemical imbalances...or things
>seem bad..but for those who don't fall into any of those
>categories...suicide is a cop out, plain and simple.
I don't get it. First you pretend you're talking about an
absolute, and then you arguing about specific contexts.
it would seem the equation is not really that strong then.
Also, what's sinful about a "copout"? How's that a valid
delineation?
>Anyway, if I didn't question things would I be a metalhead?
Dunno..
>As for why Jesus might be a metalhead..thats easy... what
>other music has found its way of challenging against injustice?
I think that challenges against injustice can be found in many
forms of music, but that doesn't really make me listen to all
of those forms of music, so I am not sure that's so good a reason..
>Now, I'm not saying I'm right about suicide being the worst sin..
I think you're wrong. The "unforgiveable sin" as I understand it
is "blaspheming against the holy spirit" and I don't think that
suicide fits in that category, really.. I think it means something
different.
>those who quit like Cobain did are not worthy of anything.
I don't think you can measure someone's worth by a single act,
and I really don't see why you'd even want to..
>I still say Jesus woulda been a metalhead.
Okay. :-)
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Tiggelman jtig...@gironet.nl (private)
Jeroen J.-W. Tiggelman
>All except the most gullible realise that christianity is
>one of the biggest cons of all time - [..]
All except the most gullible realize that you are not a neutral
party here, as you take only _one_ definition of "christianity"
in this discussion where two very different ones were present,
and thus your whole "quick note" is useless rhetoric.
>It was a freak accident that the tale of the life and deeds
>of the hippy nazarene caught on, [..]
Why do you think this must've been a "freak accident"?
(Did you note I amended "it was" to "you think that.." there?)
>probably the first to invent the peacefull protest concept,
Nope.
>but look where that got him.
'Cause it once didn't work you give up hope? You're a defeatist?
>However, the whole christian thing was started a bit later
>by (one of the) st. pauls who who had the idea of having just
>the one relegion for everyone, based on some of the seemingly
>sensible things (he thought) that this nazarene had said.
Okay.
>He included appropriately placed feast days and a bit of cannibalism
Nope. He just said that what feast days you do or do not keep
doesn't matter. Cannibalism? Now that's news to me...
I really don't know where you get your information from, but with all
the assertions there are some wild historical nonsensicalities in your
note..
>the element of the magical 3 persons thingy
Hello! That was a much later invention of political origin,
really..
>and tons of jewish elements to appeal to the jews obviously.
Supposedly it was all based on the Jewish, actually.
>This 'club' he started [..]
He didn't start it and it wasn't a club. You are now pretending
that this was his whole own division, but he didn't really start
one. I think you're revising history now..
>soon just became an excuse for murder and two millenia of
>atrocities, so the whole plan backfired somewhat, which is
>quite amusing.
Ah, you find murder amusing.. Otherwise I'll leave this drivel
to the gullible to be beguiled by.
>However, if Hell did exist, [..]
What is your definition of "hell"?
>it is well known thats where the all of the best musicians
>would come from, and would go back to after [..]
Ah, so this concept you do not believe in, this pure
hypothetical, you pretend has some relevance to base
some other hypotheticals on. Meaning WHAT?
You just love semantically void statements, don't you?
>Basically, the christ had nothing to do with metal [..]
Yes, obviously. Metal is just a form a music that didn't exist
back then.
>All that bollox about Satan trying to tempt him for 40 days
>and nights in the desert - what a ton of shite. [..]
Translation: I don't get metaphors!!1!
>that had Satan been there, he would have been sneering
>and jeering and laughing at the geeky nerd - [..]
Ah, you've now conveniently redefined the meaning of
"Satan" to make some other irrelevant hypothetical observation.
Well done. Satan loves you.
>Also, metal is more than music, as it's true appreciation comes
>from inside, [..]
Are you dead or what?
ALL true appreciation of everything comes from the inside, you..
>metal people DID. Only then they were probably particularly
>nasty warriors, or high priests in charge of the ritual sacrifice
Did you say anything about being gullible and faerytales just now?
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Tiggelman jtig...@gironet.nl (private)
Jeroen J.-W. Tiggelman
>> One can only speculate on what Jesus actually
>> said since the bible was written by others. Not to
>>mention everyone knows that there is no fire and
>> brimstone hell. Most feel hell..like heaven is what
>>you make of it...one being a form of punishment...[..]
>????
>I don't get this at all.
She says that her ideas of "heaven" and "hell" are
not the nonsensical faerytale versions some people
made of them. She seems to prefer to explain in terms
of feeling, that it's more about feeling "good" or "bad".
I can't say that's a brilliant argument, but I don't think
ir's really meant as a rational argument; the point is
more that this "fire and brimstone" hell her critics seem
to be talking about is not anything she believes in at
all, so there's little point in answering that.
>"Christ" and "christianity" are separate.
Excatly, and she was talking about what [she believes/
understands] Christ has actually taught, not your
conception of "christianity".
>The bible is a very specific doctrine, [..]
I don't think so. There is usually soooo much interpretation
going on..
>and a lot of the text in it clearly leads to mass conformity.
I disagree. Furthermore, I don't think it's relevant what
impression you might get from "a lot of it", really. That's
a rather silly form of reductionism when you're at the same
time claiming it's some whole that is a "specific doctrine".
>No. One does not have to "serve" a god. [..]
Then again, if you read carefully, that's not what she said.
>I believe in god, but I feel no obligation to follow any
>rigid moral code or spread my "belief" through fear
And she said nothing about a "rigid moral code" or
"spreading fear".
In fact, I am not sure why you feel you msut argue against
what she said like this _at all_.
>Believing in a god does not even mean believing there's
>some big bearded fellow in the sky who's going to save you.
>That is a totally christian concept.
Actually, that's a totally _un_christian concept.
>> Christianity preaches things you can't begin to understand..like
>> forgiveness and sacrifice and being compasionate.
>Which is a "human" value than anything idiosyncratically christian.
Yes, but her point was not that they weren't human, her point was he
didn't get them.
>> Wrong. Metal..esp death metal is because of fear
>Fear? What sort of fear? Fear of what?
I don't get that either.
>It is a "liberation".
Then again, I don't get this either.
>> Besides Fear and guilt are natural ways of keeping us
>>out of trouble and alive.
>In a way. But of course, when a book makes us feel
>guilty for being human, there's something wrong, no?
It doesn't make us feel guilty for being human, though
maybe it does make _you_ feel so.
I have to agree that on some psychological level fear
and guilt have a definite function. I don't see what's
wrong with activating that function insofar it keeps us
indeed 'alive'. (Which is not to say that I support fear
and guilt where _not_ at all necessary.)
>> In fact, Jesus only offered a way to help relieve guilt.
>> Kind made him the first psychologist.
>????
I don't get this either..
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Tiggelman jtig...@gironet.nl (private)
Jeroen J.-W. Tiggelman
>Or when I see the mentally disabled of our society (not referring
>to Down's syndrome; I'm referring to 99.999 % of all people) in
>"Sex voor de Büch", where people can see their secret sexual
>desires fulfilled (saw it once; it sounds fun but it is quite unworthy).
Actually, I fail to see what sounds "fun" about, except as in "fun"
as the entertainment of the "mentally disabled". And you're just
too damn inquisitive for your own good. I mean, I caught a few
glimpses zapping through channels once, but actually watching it is
on the brink of masochism in my book... Hey, maybe Buch... ;)-<
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Tiggelman jtig...@gironet.nl (private)
ChorazaiM
the following:
>There was only one Caligula with those actors in it. It was the 70's and
>dirty movies were more acceptable. Helen Mirren gets naked in most movies
>she's in anyway. (I bought some british mag last year because it had an Anal
>Cunt article and the first thing I saw when I opened it was Helen Mirrens
>tits) It was only softcore porn, not like Debbie Does Dallas. HBO could show
>it, no problem. It was produced by Bob Guccioni, so I think the actors knew
>what they were getting into. Unfortunately, besides the sex and torture
>scenes, which are few and far between, the rest of the movie is unbelievably
>boring and it's so loooooong.
Softcore ? Perhaps the "R rated" version of Caligula was, and
perhaps HBO could have played that, but the X-rated version is
definitely above "softcore" - scenes of full penetration, and
fellatio followed by facials (and we're not talking Hollywood
simulation here where its shot from the back of the head angle, but
actual side/front views of all the action), so i doubt this would
qualify as "softcore" - mind you, these particular scenes only account
for perhaps 5 minutes of the movie, but still, It was enough to garner
a X rating and put it out of the softcore league...
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> Softcore ? Perhaps the "R rated" version of Caligula was, and
> perhaps HBO could have played that, but the X-rated version is
> definitely above "softcore" - scenes of full penetration, and
> fellatio followed by facials (and we're not talking Hollywood
> simulation here where its shot from the back of the head angle, but
> actual side/front views of all the action), so i doubt this would
> qualify as "softcore" - mind you, these particular scenes only account
> for perhaps 5 minutes of the movie, but still, It was enough to garner
> a X rating and put it out of the softcore league...
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> Annatar Gorthaur <maartenj***@**l*x.st*ud*ent.wau**.nl> wrote:
> >Or when I see the mentally disabled of our society (not referring
> >to Down's syndrome; I'm referring to 99.999 % of all people) in
> >"Sex voor de Büch", where people can see their secret sexual
> >desires fulfilled (saw it once; it sounds fun but it is quite unworthy).
>
> Actually, I fail to see what sounds "fun" about, except as in "fun"
> as the entertainment of the "mentally disabled". And you're just
> too damn inquisitive for your own good. I mean, I caught a few
> glimpses zapping through channels once, but actually watching it is
> on the brink of masochism in my book...
... know thy enemies =)
Jeroen J.-W. Tiggelman
>> actually watching it is on the brink of masochism in my book...
>... know thy enemies =)
Ah!!
=)-<
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