sample of Bolero?
Bjlly
Ravel's Bolero? i do, but maybe i'm just clinically insane......
danielle
"I think before I talk, but sometimes the time lapse between the two isn't long
enough."
Bas van der Noordt
Bjlly wrote:
> Does anyone else think the Mood Swing remix of Hunter sounds a lot like
> Ravel's Bolero? i do, but maybe i'm just clinically insane......
Well .... yes, it does !
Isn't it supposed to sound like Ravel's Bolero ? I think it's pretty cool !
B-sting
Randall Watson
> Does anyone else think the Mood Swing remix of Hunter sounds a lot like
> Ravel's Bolero? i do, but maybe i'm just clinically insane......
> danielle
> "I think before I talk, but sometimes the time lapse between the two isn't long
> enough."
Definitely. That's the first thing I thought when I heard it. Amazingly
enough, my parents had it (Bolero) sitting around the house when I came
home from college. I compared them directly and they sound a lot alike.
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Bjlly
>Bjlly wrote:
>
>> Does anyone else think the Mood Swing remix of Hunter sounds a lot like
>> Ravel's Bolero? i do, but maybe i'm just clinically insane......
>
>Isn't it supposed to sound like Ravel's Bolero ? I think it's pretty cool !
>
>B-sting
I do love it, but wouldn't they have to acknowledge that in the liner notes?
danielle
Bas van der Noordt
Bjlly wrote:
> I do love it, but wouldn't they have to acknowledge that in the liner notes?
> danielle
No, I don't think so ..... It sounds Bolero-ish, but it's not EXACTLY the same is
it ? And I don't know how old Ravel's Bolero is (or rather, how old Ravel himself
is), because the really, really, really old classical music is usually no longer
protected by copyright laws. But if my feeling is correct, I think Ravel's Bolero
was composed in this century. Am I correct ? So maybe someone could start a trial
against them, not that I would agree on that.This reminds me of a really good
house track (back in those days there was only house music. One name, one
genre.), called O Fortuna by Apotheosis. It was banned and taken off the market,
because it contained a sample of Carl Orff's Carmina Burana. Now Orff is dead for
a few decades I believe, but it hadn't been like 90 years or so after he died, so
his relatives had it banned. I remember buying the record the day after the news
broke (on a Saturday). I think it was no longer available the next week.
B-sting
Ugliness Man
bj...@aol.com (Bjlly) wrote:
>
> >Bjlly wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone else think the Mood Swing remix of Hunter sounds a lot like
> >> Ravel's Bolero? i do, but maybe i'm just clinically insane......
> >
> >Well .... yes, it does !
> >Isn't it supposed to sound like Ravel's Bolero ? I think it's pretty cool !
> >
> >B-sting
>
> danielle
not really. look at the liner notes for "Weird Al" Yankovic albums. on the
album "Polka Party", he gives credit for his parodies ("Living with a Hernia"
parody of "Living in America" by James Brown, written by... etc), and the
polka medly (contains music and lyrics from... etc), but the song "Dog Eat
Dog" sounds very much similar to 2 or 3 songs by Talking Heads, and no credit
is given because it is a style satire, not a direct usage or parody. the
Bolero thing is kinda like that. it sounds similar, but it's not a direct
"lift", so credit is not necessary. an interesting exception to this: after
the Rolling Stones wrote the song "Has Anybody Seen My Baby", it was pointed
out to them that the chorus sounded similar to k. d. lang's "Constant
Craving". i don't know if they had heard lang's song beforehand, but it was
more than likely a coincidence. still, they decided to give k. d. lang a
co-writing credit. i'm not a fan of either, but i always thought that was an
interesting story.
UgM
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miso soup
>Bjlly wrote:
>> I do love it, but wouldn't they have to acknowledge that in the liner
>> notes? danielle
>same is it ? And I don't know how old Ravel's Bolero is (or rather, how
>old Ravel himself is), because the really, really, really old classical
>music is usually no longer protected by copyright laws. But if my feeling
>is correct, I think Ravel's Bolero was composed in this century.
You're probably right. The law is 75 years from date of production for that
stuff from that time (I believe) so a lot of the early modern stuff is now
coming into the public domain. So the Bolero might have come into the
public domain, but I don't know the composition date for sure.
There are lots of things, though, that people do to keep copyright, though.
In the case of old classical music they often publish their own editions
based on the musicology of prior editions and manuscripts, interpreting
obscure notations, etc etc.
>Am I
>correct ? So maybe someone could start a trial against them, not that I
>would agree on that.This reminds me of a really good house track (back in
>those days there was only house music. One name, one genre.), called O
>Fortuna by Apotheosis. It was banned and taken off the market, because it
>contained a sample of Carl Orff's Carmina Burana. Now Orff is dead for a
>few decades I believe, but it hadn't been like 90 years or so after he
>died, so his relatives had it banned. I remember buying the record the day
>after the news broke (on a Saturday). I think it was no longer available
>the next week.
Was the problem that they used the composition or that they used a certain
recording? If you are using a sample you have to make sure you have
permission from the owners of both. In the case of pop music the owners are
often related, but not always. If you want to cover a Beatles song you have
to ask Michael Jackson, but if you want to use a sample, you have to ask
Michael Jackson -and- EMI Records.
I personally found the Apotheosis track kind of disturbing, but to each her
own.
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David Lettington
Bjork was interviewed for the South Bank Show (shown in England), and she
said it was based on Ravel's Bolero.
GroundZero
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>
>Bjork was interviewed for the South Bank Show (shown in England), and she
>said it was based on Ravel's Bolero.
>
>
was told by her grandmother, that in life there are 2 kinds of birds,
swans - who stay with one partner all their life - and hunters - who travel
through time and are constantly searching for new partners. Bjork said the
song was about making a conscious decision to be a hunter. You may have
noticed that the sounds accompanying the bolero-inspired violins are like
bird song.
Bas van der Noordt
miso soup wrote:
>
>
> Was the problem that they used the composition or that they used a certain
> recording?
No, I think the problem was that they used the composition, because it was 'the
heirs of Orff' that sued.
What exactly did you find disturbing about the Apotheosis song, by the way ?
I'm very interested to hear what other people have to say about it. The more
tastes, the better. = )
B-sting
Joaquin Sindrisson
strking similar in the first violin bridge. On the Southbank show (aka The
Bravo Special), i believe Deodato and some of the Octet discuss this
similarity.
Jay Rosen
"and if i could be who you wanted all the time"