Is Billy a smoker?
Kevin Cassell
Does Billy Joel smoke cigarettes? A friend of mine claims to have seen
him smoking butts after a concert once in Portland, Maine. My friend
thinks Billy's recent voice problems are a result of smoking. I've
seen pictures of him "posing" with a cigarette somewhere nearby, and in
the Piano Man video there's one smouldering in an ashtray on top of the
piano next to the "bread" jar, but I never thought of him as a "smoker."
Is he? Was he ever? And could his recent problems be in some way
connected with smoking?
Kevin Loy
Kevin Loy
Toonces464
Many people say he quit smoking after Alexa was born, but he smokes throughout
the "A Matter of Trust" video. I also remember seeing him in concert in the
past where he was smoking during the show, and he smokes in several of his old
videos, including "Piano Man" and "Stiletto/My Life".
As to whether or not he smokes cigarettes now, I don't know. I do know I've
read several times that he definitely smokes cigars.
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"There are people who have lost every trace of human kindness..." - Billy Joel
Kelso123
while drinking a cup of coffee.
Mr. William David Webb
When he explains the song Piano Man, he mentions that he used to smoke.
That was done in '94, but you never know if he picked it up again.
Tsanford2
About a year ago, there were articles about this foreign doctor(I think), who
used strange methods to help people quit smoking and in the article it
mentioned he helped Billy Joel quit smoking. I don't remember much about the
article other than what it said about Billy. However, I think Billy smoked for
a long time, so I'm sure a case could be made that his recent problems could be
lingering effects. Its good that he stopped though
Radarcom
more of that stuff in the set. He did mention a live album at a Dec 93 Long
Island show and some of the cuts are there. I just got the boxed set a few
months ago. Columbia House had a big sale... got it for half-price.
Reto Kindlimann
still as good as it is, sorry to destroy your picture of Billy as a
"propper guy", but you Americans are treating smokers like you treated the
slaves some decades ago. I am non smoker too, but where is the tollorance?
Isn't this just his business if he's not doing any harm to anybody els with
it??
Reto
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Bubba5737
>slaves some decades ago. I am non smoker too, but where is the tollorance?
question, just like "What is Billys' favorite food ? or Color?" No one judged
him, and I think you need to go read the original post. You got WAY off topic
here, and put down a whole country to boot please read the posts all the way
thru before you accuse someone in that foul manner.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bubba ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kevin Cassell
: He's smoking one after the other, and it's a miracle that his voice is
: still as good as it is, sorry to destroy your picture of Billy as a
: slaves some decades ago. I am non smoker too, but where is the tollorance?
: it??
: Reto
I'm the one who brought up this subject...and I smoke--Camels!
: Kevin Cassell <kcas...@lynx02.dac.neu.edu> schreef in artikel
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Christine A Tarbet
smoker? by Bubb...@aol.comNOSPAM
> opic
> here, and put down a whole country to boot please read the posts all the
> way
> thru before you accuse someone in that foul manner.
>
Actually, we Americans *do* treat smokers poorly, as opposed to the rest
of the world. The whole issue of 2nd hand smoke has gotten out of hand;
there have been numerous studies done showing that, for the most part,
2nd hand smoke doesn't do anything.
Christine
Brent W. Thiec
Christine A Tarbet wrote in message ...
Well, it annoys the heck out of me. It also limits my wife's ability to
breathe. See, she is an asthmatic. This is something she cannot help. It
is a shame that people do not have the self discipline to contain their
habit for limited times out of respect for other people.
If anyone wants to smoke, fine. I understand. That is your habit. I also
understand that smoke is a by-product of your habit. ......But I want you
to understand that I drink coffee. That is my habit. The by-product of my
habit is urine. I also have no problem with your smoke being all through my
hair and clothes, as long as you don't have a problem if I stand on a chair,
and pee all over your hair and clothes. (I saw this in a sign somewhere
once.)
BWT
Radarcom
2nd hand smoke doesn't do anything.
>>
It must do some damage. At very least, it pollutes the air and stinks up
nonsmokers' clothing.
Bubba5737
>of the world. The whole issue of 2nd hand smoke has gotten out of hand;
>2nd hand smoke doesn't do anything.
>
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>
As a 20 year smoker who quit 3 painful years ago, I'm not going to dignify that
baseless claim with a response. Now, in reference to my post, Billy WAS NOT
being treated badly. A poster merely asked if he smoked. That was all. There
was no need for a diatribe against america because of a simple question.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bubba ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GrandAmJE
tend to carry breathing equipment with me on days when I am very bad). Whether
Billy smokes or not is his own choice, but breathing and living is mine. I
think those that smoke have every right to - but I think I have a right to
breathe. I consistently sit in non smoking sections - but at concerts, it is
difficult. And never mind the marajuana - those times nearly send me to a
hospital and destroy a good time that I paid good money for.
>>there have been numerous studies done showing that, for the most part,
>>2nd hand smoke doesn't do anything.
>>
>>Christine
>
>Well, it annoys the heck out of me. It also limits my wife's ability to
>breathe. See, she is an asthmatic. This is something she cannot help. It
>is a shame that people do not have the self discipline to contain their
>habit for limited times out of respect for other people.
>
Jennifer
"It's all about joy that comes out of sorrow, It's all about faith and a
deeper devotion"
Billy Joel
GYMBABE27
>>2nd hand smoke doesn't do anything.
I would be interested in what studies you are refering to. The studies I have
read specifically states that it does have a negative effect on asmatics (sp)
and children who are exposed to the smoke are more likely to be bothered by
many respiratory illnesses.
AS
Compchick
>still as good as it is, sorry to destroy your picture of Billy as a
>"propper guy", but you Americans are treating smokers like you treated the
>slaves some decades ago. I am non smoker too, but where is the tollorance?
>Isn't this just his business if he's not doing any harm to anybody els with
>it??
>
>Reto
a.) I don't think he's still smoking.
b.) Smokers aren't looked upon as lesser people. However, lots of people feel
they should stop, and, of course, they should -- to save those around them, and
to save themselves. I don't see how smokers are treated like slaves were.
Compchick
>of the world. The whole issue of 2nd hand smoke has gotten out of hand;
>2nd hand smoke doesn't do anything.
>
The first part is true. My family went to England last summer, and there was
far more smoking going on there. However, I don't think it's gone nearly too
far. I've heard, many times, that second-hand smoke is even more dangerous than
regular smoking.
VertigoMan
>there have been numerous studies done showing that, for the most part,
>2nd hand smoke doesn't do anything.
And I've seen books that insist that the Halocaust never happened, that Germany
was engaged in a minor "health code" situation to prevent diseased people from
spreading illness.
Not comparing smoking to Hitler, but my point is people will try to argue
different things, whether or not what they say is true. I know that if someone
smokes in front of me and they blow the smoke out, which happens when one
smokes, I start to feel ill. I cough, my head begins to ache badly, my throat
hurts, I have problems breathing through my nose, and I get dizzy. If I were
to believe that second had smoke doesn't do anything, it's a pretty funny
coincidence that I get sick each time someone lights up.
Lord Josh
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Billy Joel: http://members.tripod.com/~billyjoel
BJfan73
>>there have been numerous studies done showing that, for the most part,
>>2nd hand smoke doesn't do anything.
>>
Second hand smoke, for the most part, does plenty to me, and I don't have
asthma.
Another perspective is that that other countries treat non-smokers so poorly.
BJfan73
>2nd hand smoke doesn't do anything.
>>>
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>nonsmokers' clothing.
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and I might add in very little time!!! This weekend I went to a restaurant
with some friends for dinner. We had a long wait, at the bar, for our table,
in the non-smoking section.
Within the first five mins, the freshness of a recent hot shower and newly
washed hair was gone, all due to what 2nd hand smoke does do.
CrimeDawg3
> ......But I want you
> to understand that I drink coffee. That is my habit. The by-product of my habit is urine. I also have no problem with your smoke being all through my hair and clothes, as long as you don't have a problem if I stand on a chair, and pee all over your hair and clothes. (I saw this in a sign somewhere once.)
>
> BWT
That is HILARIOUS!!! I wish I could find a sign like that, or a button
or something. Where I work, there is this a bartender who comes into our
secret hiding area and stands right in front of me just puffing away,
not caring whether or not I like smoke. And I HATE smoke. It makes me
choke and gag altho' I am not an asmatic. But smokers just don't care
about other people. Why don't ALL the smokers do something constructive
and sue the pants off the tobacco industry for making them addicted.
Lord <cough, cough> CD
Eileen R.
GYMBABE27 <gymb...@aol.com> wrote in article
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Radarcom wrote in message <19990202195358...@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
><<As a 20 year smoker who quit 3 painful years ago, I'm not going to
dignify
>that
>baseless claim with a response. Now, in reference to my post, Billy WAS NOT
>being treated badly. A poster merely asked if he smoked. That was all.
There
>was no need for a diatribe against america because of a simple question.>>
>
>The three years since have been painful???
>
>The diatribe wasn't against America; it was against death-wish obsessed
smokers
>who shorten lifes other than their own.
>
Radarcom
VertigoMan
>read specifically states that it does have a negative effect on asmatics (sp)
>and children who are exposed to the smoke are more likely to be bothered by
>many respiratory illnesses.
Thank you!
VertigoMan
>far more smoking going on there. However, I don't think it's gone nearly too
>far.
Whoa... we treat smokers poorly because we don't allow them to stand around
releasing poison into our lungs at dinner, or in a plane, or at a movie
theater?
If I was radioactive and glowing bright green, you wouldn't want me standing
right next to you, and I'd understand why.
Danny
ciggarette butts on the ground in Sydney, there is fine of $200. (We're
cleaning up for the Olympics) haha
Toonces464
>smokers
>who shorten lifes other than their own.
>
Considering that not *all* smokers are inconsiderate, and one in particular has
posted here several times about how considerate a smoker she is, can we please
not generalize all smokers into one category? Thanks.
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"There are people who have lost every trace of human kindness..." - Billy Joel
Christine A Tarbet
>
> nonsmokers' clothing.
Whoah, I must have been out of it when I wrote that post. I meant that
I have read numerous studies that said the health effects of 2nd hand
smoke have been blown out of proportion.
Christine
Toonces464
>areas)
Many places have already done this -- I can no longer smoke in the stands at
Pro Player Stadium, even though they're outside. I have no problem with this
whatsoever, considering the confines of sitting in an arena or any other type
of "close quarters".
However, the day the thought police tell me that I can no longer smoke when I
walk from my front door out to my mailbox is the day you'll see me turn into a
rude smoker.
Christine A Tarbet
> breathe. See, she is an asthmatic. This is something she cannot help.
> It
No, I totally understand this. However, I do think the issue has gotten
out of control (they are thinking of banning smoking *outside* in public
areas). The Europeans I have met seem to be a lot less militant (for
lack of a better word) against smokers.
Christine
Christine A Tarbet
> y that
> baseless claim with a response. Now, in reference to my post, Billy WAS N
> OT
> being treated badly. A poster merely asked if he smoked. That was all. Th
> ere
> was no need for a diatribe against america because of a simple question.
It was not baseless; check out (I believe) January's issue of Content.
It outlines one such study. I'm just saying that the health effects of
2nd hand smoke have been blown out of proportion according to these
studies. And you needn't get so snippy with me.
Christine
Christine A Tarbet
> too
> s than
> regular smoking.
Yes, but from the new reports I've read, it discounts that theory
(unless you are talking about smoking in a car with children, for
example; then, i'd have to agree).
christine
Christine A Tarbet
>
> different things, whether or not what they say is true. I know that if s
> omeone
> smokes in front of me and they blow the smoke out, which happens when one
>
> smokes, I start to feel ill. I cough, my head begins to ache badly, my t
> hroat
> hurts, I have problems breathing through my nose, and I get dizzy. If I
> were
> to believe that second had smoke doesn't do anything, it's a pretty funny
>
> coincidence that I get sick each time someone lights up.
Yes, you just did compare smoking to Hitler (dangerous mistake).
However, who the hell smokes by you that you have those dramatic
reactions to smoke (are they smoking like 10 cigarettes at once?).
Maybe you are allergic.
Christine
Christine A Tarbet
> or something. Where I work, there is this a bartender who comes into our
> secret hiding area and stands right in front of me just puffing away,
> not caring whether or not I like smoke. And I HATE smoke. It makes me
> choke and gag altho' I am not an asmatic. But smokers just don't care
> about other people. Why don't ALL the smokers do something constructive
> and sue the pants off the tobacco industry for making them addicted.
Actually, I think you are generalizing. Most smokers I know are very
courteous to non smokers (ex. sitting in non smoking if they want, not
smoking around them, etc.). You shouldn't base your claim that *all*
smokers are discourteous just because of a few bad experiences. Next
time that happens, just ask the person not to smoke around you. I'm
sure he'll comply. If not, he's just a jerk.
Christine
Christine A Tarbet
> I would be interested in what studies you are refering to. The studies I
> have
> read specifically states that it does have a negative effect on asmatics
> (sp)
> and children who are exposed to the smoke are more likely to be bothered
> by
> many respiratory illnesses.
I'm talking mainly about adults; obviously, one shouldn't smoke around
children and asthmatics.
Christine A Tarbet
>
> asthma.
> Another perspective is that that other countries treat non-smokers so p
> oorly.
No, actually, what I meant is that non-smokers are a lot more tolerant.
Christine
Christine A Tarbet
smoker? by Rada...@aol.com
>
> mokers
> who shorten lifes other than their own.
That is the exact attitude that the person was talking about. Europeans
and other foreigners don't have this attitude towards smokers like
Americans do.
Christine
Christine A Tarbet
> nd
> releasing poison into our lungs at dinner, or in a plane, or at a movie
> theater?
>
> If I was radioactive and glowing bright green, you wouldn't want me stand
> ing
> right next to you, and I'd understand why.
>
>
> Lord Josh
Has anyone ever read anything scientific about how the lung cleanses
itself? Read a science book (like and 8th grade one). After one hour
of not smoking (as any smoking you've actually *done* not half a puff
you've accidentally inhaled while standing next to a person), the lung
has already begun to clean itself. That is why, if you are someone my
age who smokes, and has smoked for a while, and quits... the damage can
be reversed totally. Most people who get cancer, emphysema (sp?) have
smoked consistently for a great number of years without stopping. You
won't die or be greatly affected (unless you are asthmatic) if you are
by someone... it won't even cause any damage. The second-hand smoke
doctors are worried about is if someone actually *lives* with a heavy
smoker... children should not be exposed because they are prone to
respiratory diseases and infections. Asthmatic people should not be
exposed for obvious reasons.
Christine
GrandAmJE
>reactions to smoke (are they smoking like 10 cigarettes at once?).
actually - a friend was tested for smoke allergies and for asthma and was found
to not have either. Yet, she gets sick to her stomache from the smell. It can
happen - she had a barrage of tests done to see what was up and came up
negative on all counts. But still gets sick.
Jennifer
"It's all about joy that comes out of sorrow, It's all about faith and a
deeper devotion"
Billy Joel
Brent W. Thiec
Toonces464 wrote in message <19990203020624...@ng16.aol.com>...
>>(they are thinking of banning smoking *outside* in public
>
>Many places have already done this -- I can no longer smoke in the stands
at
>Pro Player Stadium, even though they're outside. I have no problem with
this
>whatsoever, considering the confines of sitting in an arena or any other
type
>of "close quarters".
>
>However, the day the thought police tell me that I can no longer smoke when
I
>walk from my front door out to my mailbox is the day you'll see me turn
into a
>rude smoker.
Good point. Also many hospitals do not allow smokers to congregate outside
and make the "wall of smoke" which patients must pass through in order to
enter and exit. I really don't mind if ppl smoke, as long as they respect
me. If I am hanging out and someone asks, "mind if I smoke"....of course
not. (Unless my wife is there.....b/c of her asthma). I just don't like to
be trapped in a non-ventilated area with all the smoke.
BWT
Bubba5737
>itself? Read a science book (like and 8th grade one). After one
The Cilia in the lungs are paralyzed by smoke,- first or second hand.>... the
damage can
>be reversed totally. Most people who get cancer, emphysema (sp?) have
Absolutely NOT TRUE. I wasn't going to get involved in this one, butt (ha!)
you've stepped over the line, and you're spouting nonsense.>by someone... it
won't even cause any damage. The second-hand smoke
>doctors are worried about is if someone actually *lives* with a heavy
>smoker... children should not be exposed because they are prone to
>respiratory diseases and infections. Asthmatic people should not be
>exposed for obvious reasons.
>
>Christine
>
>I'd like to see ONE study by a reputable university that backs up your drivel.
As I read your post, if I hadn't recognized your name, I would have thought
ypou were a troll, looking for a flame war opportunity.You don't have a clue.
If you're at such a great institution of higher learning, then the marteials
you need to learn the truth about this should be right at hand. I used to
respect your opinion, but you've just proven that you don't have a clue.
Please don't post on this subject again until you educate yourself. You're
ruining your reputation.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bubba ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bubba5737
>2nd hand smoke have been blown out of proportion according to these
>studies. And you needn't get so snippy with me.
>
>Christine
You cited one study, pluralized it, claim to know all you need to know to make
an educated opinion, and you wonder why anyone is "snippy" with you ? Who
funded that study? The tobacco industry ? This has gone beyond the smoking
issue,- you shouldn't post your opinion as fact.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bubba ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bubba5737
>I
>>walk from my front door out to my mailbox is the day you'll see me turn
>into a
>>rude smoker.
You're the type of smoker I was,and I totally agree that NO ONE should tell
people whether or not to smoke. I wondered why ,in this technological age, why
buildings aren't built to accomodate smokers and non-smokers.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bubba ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tsanford2
>still as good as it is, sorry to destroy your picture of Billy as a
>"propper guy", but you Americans are treating smokers like you treated the
>slaves some decades ago
I'm pretty sure slaves were treated just a touch worse. Also I'm, pretty sure
Billy doesn't smoke anymore
VertigoMan
>buildings aren't built to accomodate smokers and non-smokers.
I understand that people got hooked on smoking when it was still "good for you"
but I don't understand why so many teenagers start smoking now, with all of the
research that proves that it is devestating... not to mention expensive.
VertigoMan
No I didn't. I said that people have made studies which prove to them that the
Holocaust never happened. I used that as an example on how people can make
studies and completely ignore the facts that are accepted as truth, such as
over 6 million Jews dying during WWII. I then said that other studies have
been done, which say smoking is harmless, second hand smoke has no effect,
etc., and all these studies prove is that people will ignore facts that they
don't wish to accept.
I know that I get very ill whenever someone blows cigerrette smoke in my
direction, or smokes in a room or car with me, or standing next to me outside.
Granted, a Camel unfiltered has a worse effect on me than a Merit Ultra-lite.
(I was coughing for six hours after a half hour with a camel smoker. A Merit
smoker I can usually stop coughing after twenty minutes.) And I did ask my
doctor about it, and they did some tests. No asthema. No special medical
condition. No lung problems. No alergies. Gee, I can't understand why smoke
would bother me.
Now, although I would like to see smokers quit so they can lead healthy lives,
and save some money, if you have the addiction, it's cruel to say "Don't ever
ever smoke." Once you're hooked, it is something you need. But for a two hour
concert in a closed arena - deal with it or don't go. In restaurants, the
smoking and nonsmoking sections should be generously seperated, and well
ventilated. Some people think smoking in a public place like a park should be
OK. There's one park around here that has five benches, and is on the edge of
a cliff, and has a beautiful view of the sunset. I can't tell you how many
times I've had to leave because I can't breathe with the cigerrette and cigar
smoke. It actually does travel, even outdoors, in small spaces.
So what's the solution? I don't know. The first step would probably be to
keep people from getting addicted, while allowing the current generation of
smokers to continue. So, perhaps you should need a license to purchase
cigerrettes, which states you are a smoker and have been a smoker, and unless
you have one, it would be illegal for you to begin smoking. Then, within 100
years, after this generation is gone, there will be no more smokers.
Unfortunately, that doesn't seem very realistic, and I wouldn't propose that as
a solution. I don't know what to do. I do know that I like to be able to go
outside and breathe. I like to buy a ticket to a concert, where one of the
fine print items is "Non-smoking only" and actually not have any smoking at the
show.
...and about marijuana use at concerts, and other drug use... why spend $40 on
a concert and get stoned so you can't remember it the next day?
Edward Terence Ferrari
<19990203140439...@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
> I understand that people got hooked on smoking when it was still "good
for you"
> but I don't understand why so many teenagers start smoking now, with all
of the
> research that proves that it is devestating... not to mention expensive.
Because it's a cool thing to do and the perfect way to impress peer groups
etc
What is probably more worrying is adults or university students taking it
up!!!!
Plus, I suppose there are some things that will always be intrinsically
linked to the music business or any sort of artistic life:- drink, (Piano
Man); Drugs (Captain Jack), Smoking ("Sweet Virginia cigarette/burning in
my hand/You used to be a friend of mine/now I understand")
Regards
VertigoMan
>of not smoking (as any smoking you've actually *done* not half a puff
>you've accidentally inhaled while standing next to a person), the lung
>has already begun to clean itself.
Excellent. So IF that is true (and I leave that open to questioning and
research), that means that I'm fine within an hour, only to have my lungs
damaged again by someone lighting a cigerrette again. Now, is it just me, or
do most smokers usually smoke more than once a day? So even if that is true,
I'm going to have my lungs injured again, and again, and again. How many times
do you think it can handle it?
Christine A Tarbet
> found
> to not have either. Yet, she gets sick to her stomache from the smell. It
> can
> happen - she had a barrage of tests done to see what was up and came up
> negative on all counts. But still gets sick.
>
I guess you'd have to read his whole post... he said he got a litany of
symptoms from one exhale; i find that hard to believe.
christine
Christine A Tarbet
> de
> and make the "wall of smoke" which patients must pass through in order to
>
> enter and exit. I really don't mind if ppl smoke, as long as they respec
> t
> me. If I am hanging out and someone asks, "mind if I smoke"....of course
>
> not. (Unless my wife is there.....b/c of her asthma). I just don't like
> to
> be trapped in a non-ventilated area with all the smoke.
>
> BWT
>
>
I was talking about places that are completely open (not like stadiums,
etc.). I just think that is taking things too far.
christine
Christine A Tarbet
> rivel.
> As I read your post, if I hadn't recognized your name, I would have thoug
> ht
> ypou were a troll, looking for a flame war opportunity.You don't have a c
> lue.
> If you're at such a great institution of higher learning, then the martei
> als
> you need to learn the truth about this should be right at hand. I used to
>
> respect your opinion, but you've just proven that you don't have a clue
> .
> Please don't post on this subject again until you educate yourself. You'r
> e
> ruining your reputation.
>
>
First of all, don't tell *me* not to post on this subject. I don't
appreciate your tone. Secondly, even though I found it difficult to
understand your post, I'll try to respond. I've heard doctors say that
damage can be totally reversed for someone as young as me. But the
information I got was from a very reputable science book (which of
course, I can't remember the name of, so im sure you'll say im lying).
I already gave you the location of where you can find one of the studies
I have found (but you chose to ignore it). It is obvious that the lung
cleanses itself. If you smoke, then stop smoking for a few days, a
week, a month, can't you tell that you breathe clearer, you have a
larger wind capacity? I'm sorry if you had such a difficult time in
quitting smoking, but don't let that clog your judgement. If you want
the actual name of a university posted here, ill go find it (but not
now, i have to go to work).
christine
Bubba5737
>appreciate your tone. Secondly, even though I found it difficult to
>understand your post, I'll try to
I didn't tell you not to. I asked you not to, and until you get youe facts
straight, I'll continue to ask you not to post.>I got was from a very reputable
science book (which of
I would never accuse you of lying, unless you knew what the truth was, and were
deliberatly speaking the opposite.It's quite obvious that you don't know the
facts here, so I'd say you were misinformed, but not lying.
>f. If you smoke, then stop smoking for a few days, a
>week, a month, can't you tell that you breathe clearer, you have a
>larger wind capacity? I'm sorry if you had such a difficult time in
That's the point, - who smokes for a few days, and then quits?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bubba ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GrandAmJE
I read the whole post...
>he said he got a litany of
>symptoms from one exhale; i find that hard to believe.
>
I never saw any litany - I saw someone with genuine concern and issues. I agree
that you should find hard it hard to believe because you have every right to
(and I am not being sarcastic - I feel the need to preface what I say) but one
exhale can nearly kill me if it is strong enough. I stop breathing from smoke.
Just the smell of a match makes a friend of mine turn green and run for the
bathroom. Everyone is an individual - what happens to one is not law for each
person, it may not be believable to everyone- but it most definitley can
happen..
Bubba5737
>itself? Read a science book (like and 8th grade one). After one hour
>of not smoking (as any smoking you've actually *done* not half
You misunderstood. Smoking paralyzes the cilia( the small hairs in the lungs
that help to clear them) and yes, after a while,they'll start to do their job
again.Then the next ciggie paralyzes them again. It's a vicious cycle, and one
that will be shown in any medical text. I can't understand how you can downplay
the danger so much.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bubba ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Christine A Tarbet
smoker? by Bubb...@aol.comNOSPAM
to make
> an educated opinion, and you wonder why anyone is "snippy" with you ? Who
> funded that study? The tobacco industry ? This has gone beyond the smoking
> issue,- you shouldn't post your opinion as fact.
>
>
Actually ,the article I cited from Content mentioned several studies. I
thought that it would save time to site just this article. The studies
definitely were NOT funded by the tobacco industry. If you know
anything about the magazine, you would know that they are media
watchdogs, exposing mis-representation in the news.
Christine
Christine A Tarbet
that the
> Holocaust never happened. I used that as an example on how people can make
> studies and completely ignore the facts that are accepted as truth, such as
> over 6 million Jews dying during WWII. I then said that other studies have
> been done, which say smoking is harmless, second hand smoke has no effect,
> etc., and all these studies prove is that people will ignore facts that they
> don't wish to accept.
An article that I was talking was in Brill's Content, the purpose of
which is to expose such lies. These studies are pretty legit, sorry to
disappoint.
Christine
Christine A Tarbet
> times I've had to leave because I can't breathe with the cigerrette and cigar
> smoke. It actually does travel, even outdoors, in small spaces.
> So what's the solution? I don't know. The first step would probably be to
> keep people from getting addicted, while allowing the current generation of
> smokers to continue. So, perhaps you should need a license to purchase
> cigerrettes, which states you are a smoker and have been a smoker, and unless
> you have one, it would be illegal for you to begin smoking. Then, within 100
> years, after this generation is gone, there will be no more smokers.
> Unfortunately, that doesn't seem very realistic, and I wouldn't
propose that as
> a solution. I don't know what to do. I do know that I like to be able to go
> outside and breathe. I like to buy a ticket to a concert, where one of the
> fine print items is "Non-smoking only" and actually not have any
smoking at the
> show.
OK, I have no sympathy for you anymore. That is just the dumbest thing
I ever heard. Ever hear of prohibition? Let's make more money for the
mob by trafficking underground cigarettes. Don't tell me, you, or
anyone else what to do... unless it is not to murder, rob, rape, etc.
And don't try to compare smoking to those horrible things.
And quite frankly, I don't believe that you have such a violent reaction
to 2nd hand cigarette smoke... unless you are asthmatic or allergic.
Christine
Christine A Tarbet
> research), that means that I'm fine within an hour, only to have my lungs
> damaged again by someone lighting a cigerrette again. Now, is it just me, or
> do most smokers usually smoke more than once a day? So even if that is true,
> I'm going to have my lungs injured again, and again, and again. How
many times
> do you think it can handle it?
First, the lung repairs the damage... so it isn't cumulative. Second,
why the hell are you around smokers all the time???
christine
Compchick
>releasing poison into our lungs at dinner, or in a plane, or at a movie
>theater?
>
>If I was radioactive and glowing bright green, you wouldn't want me standing
>right next to you, and I'd understand why.
>
>
Hey, I wasn't the one who said we treated smokers badly. I only said we were
stricter here than in other countries.
Compchick
>different things, whether or not what they say is true. I know that if
>someone
>smokes in front of me and they blow the smoke out, which happens when one
>smokes, I start to feel ill. I cough, my head begins to ache badly, my
>throat
>hurts, I have problems breathing through my nose, and I get dizzy. If I were
>to believe that second had smoke doesn't do anything, it's a pretty funny
>coincidence that I get sick each time someone lights up.
>
I agree. I hold my breath whenever someone smoking is near, because, otherwise,
I start to cough uncontrollably. Perhaps that is better, though, because, if
I'm coughing, the smoke isn't going in (I hope).
Compchick
>why
>buildings aren't built to accomodate smokers and non-smokers.
People are told not to smoke to save people around the smokers and to save the
smokers themselves.
Compchick
>make
>an educated opinion, and you wonder why anyone is "snippy" with you ? Who
>funded that study? The tobacco industry ? This has gone beyond the smoking
>issue,- you shouldn't post your opinion as fact.
I don't mean to be at all mean, but neither should you.
Bubba5737
That's OK, Compchick,- I know you weren't being mean, but neither was I -Where
did I post my opinion as fact ?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bubba ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
VertigoMan
>disappoint.
Great. Next time someone smokes in front of me, I'll be sure to remember that
it's all in my head... it's only in my head... only in my head... in my head..
my head... head... <cough>
Radarcom
decades ago.
Radarcom
has
posted here several times about how considerate a smoker she is, can we please
not generalize all smokers into one category? Thanks.>>
ALL smokers know it can kill you painfully, as well as others. Let's be
realistic here. Yes, people smoke but even if they are well mannered, they
still politely poison others.
Radarcom
That is the exact attitude that the person was talking about. Europeans
and other foreigners don't have this attitude towards smokers like
Americans do.
>>
But they, and those in proximity to them, still get cancer and share that
cancer with others. Even if they don't physically poison someone else, they
allow those close to them the "privilege" of watching them battle cancer and
heart disease. It doesn't matter what continent you live on.
Toonces464
>realistic here. Yes, people smoke but even if they are well mannered, they
>still politely poison others.
That's right, and we still make the choice to smoke, just as non-smokers make
the choice not to smoke.
Thanks for your concern, but I already have a mother...and even if I didn't,
you wouldn't be one of my top ten choices for one.
*******************************************
"There are people who have lost every trace of human kindness..." - Billy Joel
VertigoMan
>I ever heard.
What did I say in there? What did I say? "Unfortunately, that doesn't seem
very realistic, and I wouldn't propose that as a solution. I don't know what
to do."
Try reading the fine print.
>And quite frankly, I don't believe that you have such a violent reaction
>to 2nd hand cigarette smoke... unless you are asthmatic or allergic.
I am neither, and I've seen more than one doctor about it. However, if you
would like to tell my doctors that you know something they don't, I'm sure they
would be gracious, because that would mean they cost run some more costly tests
on me, and make more money.
Is it possible that you don't know what you're talking about, and I naturally
have a very low tolerance to cigerette smoke, and endure pain and suffering
from being around it? I never said I had to go to the hospital from it. I
never said I almost had a heart attack from it. I said I get a headache, it
becomes painful to breathe out of my nose, and my throat hurts - doesn't sound
nearly as "violent" as what I've heard from less fortunate people.
Toonces464
>cancer with others.
Same with those that have a few brewskies and then get behind the wheel and
smash into a family of five on their way home from a christening. Should we
outlaw beer as well?
VertigoMan
>why the hell are you around smokers all the time???
I didn't choose my parents. I didn't choose their friends. I don't dictate
who comes to their house, or what they do at their own houses. Nor can I
control who smokes in the hallways or bathrooms (yes, even though it is
forbidden) at school.
RB
wouldn't pay him much more mind.
Russ
Toonces464
>It's becoming clear to me that Radarcom suffers from "Bravado syndrome". I
>wouldn't pay him much more mind.
And didn't we have a post from Bravado today? Hmmmmm...
Christine A Tarbet
> exhale can nearly kill me if it is strong enough. I stop breathing from s
> moke.
> Just the smell of a match makes a friend of mine turn green and run for t
> he
> bathroom. Everyone is an individual - what happens to one is not law for
Yes, but you have asthma... and I think your friend may be allergic;
maybe her doctor didn't catch it (my friend who has been diagnosed as
allergic has the same reaction).
Christine
ps. Were you being sarcastic about the smell of a match? Cuz the smell
of a match doesn't smell at all like cigarette smoke. I kinda like the
smells of matches and candles... God what does she do at bonfires?
Christine
Christine A Tarbet
Actually, I know a LOT of casual smokers... besides, aren't we talking
about 2nd hand smoke?
christine
Christine A Tarbet
smoker? by Comp...@aol.com
> rwise,
> I start to cough uncontrollably. Perhaps that is better, though, because,
> if
> I'm coughing, the smoke isn't going in (I hope).
OK, WHY does* every* non-smoker on this NG have such violent reactions
to cig smoke? My non-smoking friends go to the dingiest, smoke-filled
bar and they don't even react that way (and im not talking about a few
friends; I'm talking about all... and I don't hesitate to say ALL). I
find it curious that on this BBoard sooo many people have these types of
symptoms... kind of curious.
Christine
Christine A Tarbet
> er
> decades ago.
Not everyone who smokes dies from cigarette-related deaths. Not even
most of 'em.
CAT
Christine A Tarbet
smoker? by Bubb...@aol.comNOSPAM
> ngs
> that help to clear them) and yes, after a while,they'll start to do their
> job
> again.Then the next ciggie paralyzes them again. It's a vicious cycle, an
> d one
> that will be shown in any medical text. I can't understand how you can do
> wnplay
> the danger so much.
>
I'm saying that casual 2nd hand smoke (ex, the dude standing next to you
at a busstop, smoking a ciggy) does not do irrepairable damage...
smoking a cigarette yourself, living with a smoker, etc. WILL.
I have no arguments with that... that is fact.
Christine
Christine A Tarbet
smoker? by Comp...@aol.com
> were
> stricter here than in other countries.
I can't believe we agree on this one; a lot of my friends from foreign
countries say this.
christine
Christine A Tarbet
> that
> it's all in my head... it's only in my head... only in my head... in my h
> ead..
> my head... head... <cough>
>
>
> Lord Josh
I didn't say it wasn't an irritant; I just said that it doesnt do
permanent damage.
Christine
ps. God, this is getting annoying.
Christine A Tarbet
> But they, and those in proximity to them, still get cancer and share that
>
> hey
> allow those close to them the "privilege" of watching them battle cancer
> and
> heart disease. It doesn't matter what continent you live on.
What about smokers' rights? I guess it is a matter of priorities...
Sorry, I'll allow the smoker the right to stand outside and smoke, even
if Jack Doe has a little hissy cuz he coughed.
Christine
Christine A Tarbet
> realistic here. Yes, people smoke but even if they are well mannered, th
> ey
> still politely poison others.
The EPA just published a report that said not one place in America is
not polluted in the air. Besides, how far do you think cigarette smoke
travels before it dissipates?
I'm sure that not everything you do is environmentally correct. You
can't even say that seriously.
Christine
Christine A Tarbet
> I didn't choose my parents. I didn't choose their friends. I don't dict
> ate
> who comes to their house, or what they do at their own houses. Nor can I
>
> control who smokes in the hallways or bathrooms (yes, even though it is
> forbidden) at school.
>
I also said that living with a smoker is harmful because of the 2nd hand
smoke; obviously, if you live with 2 smokers that would be detrimental.
christine
Christine A Tarbet
> eem
> very realistic, and I wouldn't propose that as a solution. I don't know
> what
> to do."
>
> Try reading the fine print.
I did, and the fact that you even *thought* of it is outlandish.
>
> >And quite frankly, I don't believe that you have such a violent reaction
>
> >to 2nd hand cigarette smoke... unless you are asthmatic or allergic.
>
> I am neither, and I've seen more than one doctor about it. However, if y
> ou
> would like to tell my doctors that you know something they don't, I'm sur
> e they
> would be gracious, because that would mean they cost run some more costly
> tests
> on me, and make more money.
>
> Is it possible that you don't know what you're talking about, and I natur
> ally
> have a very low tolerance to cigerette smoke, and endure pain and sufferi
> ng
> from being around it? I never said I had to go to the hospital from it.
I find it odd that so many people on this NG has seen a doctor about
their reactions to cigarette smoke and that so many have such reactions.
I find it extremely difficult to believe that one exhale by someone
sitting by you would give you such an attack.
Christine
GrandAmJE
>of a match doesn't smell at all like cigarette smoke. I kinda like the
>smells of matches and candles... God what does she do at bonfires?
>
no I wasnt being sarcastic about the match comment. The smell of the sulfa from
the match, the same way a cigarette has that vile odor (again the vile odor is
MHO) makes her sick to her stomache and she has been to a number of doctors,
some of my specialists included in that lot. She has no asthma, no allergies,
just a low tolerance. Matches and Candles make us both ill and we would NEVER
go to bonfires (although I havent heard of any here where we are thankfully.
they tried it once for a homecoming thing, but we all decided we would rather
be doing something, so thankfully no one went.)
Jennifer
"It's all about joy that comes out of sorrow, It's all about faith and a
deeper devotion"
Billy Joel
GrandAmJE
>to cig smoke?
B/c we are non smokers. Obviously we chose not to smoke, with many valid
reasons. It doesnt matter whether we have asthma or not, inhaling a foreign
substance makes people ill.
Lest we forget the famous, "smokers cough."
>My non-smoking friends go to the dingiest, smoke-filled
>bar and they don't even react that way (and im not talking about a few
>friends; I'm talking about all... and I don't hesitate to say ALL).
Thankfully my friends and I dont go to any dingy, smokefilled bars. I have
friends that smoke and we go out all the time. But they dont smoke around me
and we have found places that even though there is smoking allowed b/c it is a
bar, there are massive smoke eaters, and it is allowed in only one section of
the bar - in the back. Seems fitting to me - everyone gets to enjoy themselves.
>I
>find it curious that on this BBoard sooo many people have these types of
>symptoms... kind of curious.
I don't know what is curious about it -honestly and sincerely. Smoke is a dark,
heavily saturated substance that affects the body in many different ways.
Menthol cigs, open up the lungs wider and allows more of the nicotine to enter
them. SO, either way, people who smoke them affect themselves and those around
them. I don't think the smoking issue has been blown out of proportion, I think
it is right on target. If people want to smoke, that is fine, it is a given
right, but I don't think my tax dollars have to support them. I believe that in
public places it should be regulated, but in the privacy of your cars and homes
(and going to get the mail! LOL) I think it is fine! I think if you are a
considerate smoker - that is even better! (I cant say I have met too many but
there have been some) But I do say to raise the taxes to the highest level for
smokers, I dont plan on paying for people to kill themselves. JMHO - any flames
- email them please - the NG doesnt need to be cluttered with more negativity!
GrandAmJE
>sitting by you would give you such an attack.
>
I find it hard to believe that you could even question what happens to an
individual. Now you are just being arguementative, allow people to be sick from
smoke if they get sick from smoke.
I dont stand next to someone smoking, bc/ you dont know what effect it will
have. I would rather live and know I did what I could than stand next to
someone and be subjected to their habit.
>I find it odd that so many people on this NG has seen a doctor about
>their reactions to cigarette smoke and that so many have such reactions.
I find it odd that we are still discussing what is an individual thing. I dont
question peoples reasons for smoking - why question my or anyone else about
being sick from it.
GrandAmJE
>permanent damage.
>
OK - little scenario here: someone near me smokes, I have an attack. Whether
or not anyone believes it, but my lungs now have irreprable damage. An asthma
attack diminishes my lung capacity and creates an irreprable amount of scar
tissue and therefore is damaged. My body must have different medicines,
breathing treatments, and my whole body struggles with each breathe I try to
take. Funny how it works, there is harm done, but when people think about
someone smoking they think of the effect on the smoker and the possible cough
of the non smoker around them. They never think that someones smoking can
forever alter a life. While not everyone may die from cigarette smoke, and not
everyone dies from Asthma, i am not chancing either of those things. Asthma is
a killer, so is cancer. My aunt just died last night of cancer. They could have
treated her with chemo and radiation if she had given up smoking, she didnt and
died in three painful months.
Bubba5737
Who appointed you god ?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bubba ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bubba5737
What's the matter with you? You're Wrong, and Misinformed. Smoking is a
terrible thing.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bubba ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Argyle115
>bar and they don't even react that way (and im not talking about a few
>find it curious that on this BBoard sooo many people have these types of
>symptoms... kind of curious.
I can't speak for the rest, but, as a non-smoker, being in a smoke-filled pool
hall isn't exactly a fun time. My eyes burn from the smoke, the smell is nasty,
and I wind up with a headache.
However, if I am with one or two smokers at a time (which I try to avoid),
cigarette smoke doesn't have the same effect on me.
As for the whole 'right to smoke' thing... my grandmother passed away a year
and a half ago from lung cancer. She had quit smoking 9 years prior to
diagnosis. She once made me promise never to touch a cigarette -- and I plan to
stick to that; I would have even without that promise. After watching my
grandmother go thru that horrible disease, plus chemo, radiation, and
depression, I wouldn't ever want to deal with it.
You wanna smoke, go for it. Just remember that when we non-smokers would rather
not have your smoke in our faces, we have our reasons. Yes, it's not good for
our health. Yes, we know smoker's who've died. And yes, we have the right to
say 'Get out of my face with that thing.'
>
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Bubba5737
>find it curious that on this BBoard sooo many people have these types of
>symptoms... kind of curious.
>
>
It's kind of curious that you're so blase about smoking, and so in the dark
about the facts.This isn't worth discussing with you anymore,- I can see that
you are not able to be educated on this topic, and you'll continue to spew
forth personal opinion as fact. You don't need to get so snippy with people who
are telling you about their reactions to ciggie smoke,- It's insulting to every
one when you question their experiences , and do it in such a rotten way.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bubba ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
pian...@my-dejanews.com
Christine A Tarbet <tar...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.billy-joel: 4-Feb-99 Re: Is Billy a
> >
> > But they, and those in proximity to them, still get cancer and share that
> >
> > cancer with others. Even if they don't physically poison someone else, t
> > hey
> > allow those close to them the "privilege" of watching them battle cancer
> > and
> > heart disease. It doesn't matter what continent you live on.
>
> What about smokers' rights? I guess it is a matter of priorities...
> Sorry, I'll allow the smoker the right to stand outside and smoke, even
> if Jack Doe has a little hissy cuz he coughed.
>
> Christine
with too much time on your hands? Personally, I declare "plonk" on you,- I
refuse to read any more of your immature ranting. Hope you enjoyed your
airtime. "PLONK"
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Isn't there an alt.smoking.pro.con newsgroup this conversation can be moved to?
Susan
Eileen R.
Just to let people know this will be my one and only post on the whole
smoking thing - first let me say that I used to smoke 11 years ago and I
tried to be a considerate smoker - what got me to quit? my husband who
unfortunately lost his mother to colon cancer from smoking - when you go
through something like that you find out ALOT about cancer and what causes
it - here's some info I found years ago from American Cancer Society and
the National Cancer Institute -
There are a number of serious health problems linked to smoking. These
include chronic bronchitis; disgestive cancers; gastric ulcers; cancer of
the throat, the tongue, the lip, the esophagus, the colon, and the
pancreas. After a smoker quits it takes the lungs 7 years to clean
themselves out of the tar and nicotine.
Secondhand smoke - is a mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end
of a cigarette, pipe, or cigar, and the smoke exhaled from the lungs of
smokers. The mixture contains more than 4,000 substances, more than 40 of
which are known to cause cancer in humans and many of which are strong
irritants. Secondhand smoke has been classified by the U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of lung cancer in humans. Passive
smoking is estimated to cause approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths in
nonsmokers each year.
Secondhand smoke is a serious health risk to children - The developing
lungs of young children are also affected by exposure to secondhand smoke.
Infants and young children whose parents smoke are among the most seriously
affected by exposure, being at increased risk of lower respiratory tract
infections such as pneumonia and bronchitis. Children exposed to
secondhand smoke are also more likely to have reduced lung function and
symptoms of respiratory irritation like cough, excess phlegm and wheeze.
Asthmatic children are especiallyat risk. Passive smoking may also cause
thousands on non-asthmatic children to develop the condition each year.
Other health implications - Exposure to secondhand smoke causes irritation
of the eye, nose and throat. Passive smoking can also irritate the lungs,
lead to coughing, excess phlegm, chest discomfort and reduced lung
function. Secondhand smoke may affect the cardiovascular system and some
studies have linked exposure to secondhand smoke with the onset of chest
pain.
I am just listing the information that I found out. I am not here to
preach to smokers to quit (although they say reformed smokers are the
worst)! I just wanted to put out what I found out over the years with
smoking and why I don't agree with secondhand smoke not being harmful. It
gives me an awful headache and I hate the smell - makes me gag! But this
is my opinion and yes, we all agree its not good for children - no one said
otherwise - just putting my $.02 on the whole matter! Thanks to those who
have read this far! Eileen :)
Christine A Tarbet
> a from
> the match, the same way a cigarette has that vile odor (again the vile od
> or is
> MHO) makes her sick to her stomache and she has been to a number of doct
> ors,
> some of my specialists included in that lot. She has no asthma, no allerg
> ies,
> just a low tolerance. Matches and Candles make us both ill and we would N
That is very odd. i have never heard of anyone being made ill by the
smell of candles.
Christine
Christine A Tarbet
> reasons. It doesnt matter whether we have asthma or not, inhaling a
> substance makes people ill.
> Lest we forget the famous, "smokers cough."
I DON"T KNOW ANY NONSMOKERS THAT HAVE THESE HORRENDOUS, DRAMATIC
REACTIONS... sorry, but everyone is saying that all nonsmokers get ill
everytime they smell smoke... and that is just wrong. It is akin to
getting ill everytime one goes outside... not one section of the air in
the us is not pollluted, according to the EPA.
As for the smoking tax thing, that was very cold. I am assuming you are
talking about medicare and medicaid and how these are suplemented by
taxes. Well, pick your disease. Should we tax fatty foods? I mean, I
know they can lead to clogging of the arteries, but I still eat them.
Should we tax one everytime someone gets in a car? I mean, you could
get into an accident. See what I mean? Why single out one group when
almost every single person at one point or another does something not
good for them... that could lead to health problems or even death?
Sorry you have such an aversion to smokers, but it isn't fair to single
out one group for large taxes.
Christine