billy joel's first wife
Jason Barrie Wood
You can get written confirmation from me. The woman's name was Elizabeth
Small (maiden name unknown...) and one of Billy's old partners was named
Jo(h?)n Small. Elizabeth and Jon were married at the time when Billy and
Jon were doing the Atilla thing, I believe. I think it was after Attilla
ended that Billy and Elizabeth got together. the timeline is fuzzy for
me, but I know the facts are right. Elizabeth was the inspiration for
several songs and Billy has said so. He also said he wrote a song for her
(She's Got a Way? or Always a Woman) and she responded by asking if she
got the legal rights to it as well. She was his manager for a number of
years also (ie: the boss). As far as I have ever known, he felt too
controlled and they just split. I don't know what she did after, but I'm
pretty sure she wasn't with any of Billy's musicians.
Hope that helps.
Woody.
On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Robert Arnold wrote:
> I have an ongoing disagreement here at work that I hope someone can shed
> some light on. I say that Billy Joel's first wife was his best friend's
> wife with whom he ran off with. My colleague says that she ran off with
> one of the band members after she and Billy were already married. Does
> anyone know where I can get written confirmation on either opinion.
> Thanks.
Robert Arnold
Mark
Robert Arnold (rob...@superstudio.co.il) wrote:
: I have an ongoing disagreement here at work that I hope someone can shed
Billy's first wife, Elizabeth, dated Billy's friend and fellow band
member Jon Small before Billy won her over.
Where can you find this in writing? There was a biography written on Billy
Joel but unfortunately I can't remember the author. I think it was simply
named Billy Joel and it was a soft-cover book. I think it was written
around the time of An Innocent Man.
Mark
Michael Sheehy
In article <jeffh-180...@ts1-16.lwn.istar.ca>,
Joppy <je...@fox.nstn.ns.ca> wrote:
>In article <Pine.A41.3.94.960916...@acs2.acs.ucalgary.ca>,
>Jason Barrie Wood <woo...@acs.ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>
>> You can get written confirmation from me. The woman's name was Elizabeth
>> Small (maiden name unknown...)
>> and one of Billy's old partners was named Jo(h?)n Small.
>>Elizabeth and Jon were married at the time when Billy and
>> Jon were doing the Atilla thing, I believe. I think it was after Attilla
>> ended that Billy and Elizabeth got together. the timeline is fuzzy for
>> me, but I know the facts are right. Elizabeth was the inspiration for
>> several songs and Billy has said so. He also said he wrote a song for her
>> (She's Got a Way? or Always a Woman)
>I'm pretty sure the song was "Just the Way You Are". Ever hear him perform
>it lately?
All of the above, plus "You're My Home", a birthday present to her.
There are probably more songs, too. For example in "Turn Around" there
is the line "Oh Eliza, got to start again"...
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Joppy
In article <Pine.A41.3.94.960916...@acs2.acs.ucalgary.ca>,
Jason Barrie Wood <woo...@acs.ucalgary.ca> wrote:
> You can get written confirmation from me. The woman's name was Elizabeth
> Small (maiden name unknown...) and one of Billy's old partners was named
> Jo(h?)n Small. Elizabeth and Jon were married at the time when Billy and
> Jon were doing the Atilla thing, I believe. I think it was after Attilla
> ended that Billy and Elizabeth got together. the timeline is fuzzy for
> me, but I know the facts are right. Elizabeth was the inspiration for
> several songs and Billy has said so. He also said he wrote a song for her
> (She's Got a Way? or Always a Woman) and she responded by asking if she
> got the legal rights to it as well. She was his manager for a number of
> years also (ie: the boss). As far as I have ever known, he felt too
> controlled and they just split. I don't know what she did after, but I'm
> pretty sure she wasn't with any of Billy's musicians.
>
>
Terrance Roberts (MCOM)
No, Billy's manager was not his first wife, but his first wife's
BROTHER, Charlie. The same Charlie referred to in "Great Wall of China."
Billy ended up in a legal battle with Charlie that left him just
about broke before We Didn't Start the Fire came out.
On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Jason Barrie Wood wrote:
> You can get written confirmation from me. The woman's name was Elizabeth
> Small (maiden name unknown...) and one of Billy's old partners was named
> Jo(h?)n Small. Elizabeth and Jon were married at the time when Billy and
> Jon were doing the Atilla thing, I believe. I think it was after Attilla
> ended that Billy and Elizabeth got together. the timeline is fuzzy for
> me, but I know the facts are right. Elizabeth was the inspiration for
> several songs and Billy has said so. He also said he wrote a song for her
> (She's Got a Way? or Always a Woman) and she responded by asking if she
> got the legal rights to it as well. She was his manager for a number of
> years also (ie: the boss). As far as I have ever known, he felt too
> controlled and they just split. I don't know what she did after, but I'm
> pretty sure she wasn't with any of Billy's musicians.
>
> Hope that helps.
> Woody.
Michael Sheehy
In article <Pine.GSO.3.92.960918130508.4731E-100000@chuma>,
Terrance Roberts (MCOM) <trob...@chuma.cas.usf.edu> wrote:
> No, Billy's manager was not his first wife, but his first wife's
>BROTHER, Charlie. The same Charlie referred to in "Great Wall of China."
>
> Billy ended up in a legal battle with Charlie that left him just
>about broke before We Didn't Start the Fire came out.
>
was managed by Frank Management up to KOHUEPT if I remember correctly. "Charlie"
is just a generic guy's name used in the song, like "Joe" or "Mac".
m...@puc.net
> >> He also said he wrote a song
> for her
> >> (She's Got a Way? or Always a Woman) and she responded by asking if
> she
> >> got the legal rights to it as well.
I don't know about Elizabeth (Billy's first wife) but I'd be pretty
insulted if someone wrote a song for me like: "She's Always a Woman."
(The lyrics don't say much about the woman he's talking about. Ex.:
"She steels like a thief . . .")
-Shari
James Kass
jeff kendrick wrote:
> Perhaps in reference to On the Water Front with Marlon Brando
> because in the movie he says something similar to "you could have had
> class, you could have been a contender Charlie."
No perhaps about it :) If you've ever seen the PBS special "Shades Of
Grey", you see Billy doing a fairly decent Brando with those same lines
before a show to get himself pumped up.
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John James
On 16 Sep 1996 22:08:54 -0400, mark...@dorsai.org (Mark) wrote:
>
>Where can you find this in writing? There was a biography written on Billy
>Joel but unfortunately I can't remember the author. I think it was simply
>named Billy Joel and it was a soft-cover book. I think it was written
>around the time of An Innocent Man.
>
>Mark
I heard that because Billy was such a bad lover in bed that Elizabeth
turned Lesbian and is an active Male basher
-JJ
Paul Stuart
je...@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Joppy) writes:
>I'm pretty sure the song was "Just the Way You Are". Ever hear him perform
>it lately?
Yes, he performed the first two verses to "Just The Way You Are" on
Sunday afternoon, January 28th, 1996. This was during his lecture
stop at Trenton State College in Trenton, New Jersey, during a question
and answer session with a little music.
The reason was that Billy was apparently inspired when I had the
opportunity to ask him a question pertaining to the interpretations
of that song. I told him and the audience that, because I am
physically challenged, my interpretations of JTWYA are a little
bit broader, to accept others for who they are inside. Billy
confirmed this interpretation by saying that he wrote the song
because we all want to be accepted for who we are. A newspaper
article confirms this statement from Billy.
Paul
--
"What will it take until you believe in me, the way that I believe in you?"
-- Billy Joel, "Just The Way You Are" (1977)
DJ Ryan
she...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Michael Sheehy) wrote:
>In article <Pine.GSO.3.92.960918130508.4731E-100000@chuma>,
>Terrance Roberts (MCOM) <trob...@chuma.cas.usf.edu> wrote:
>> No, Billy's manager was not his first wife, but his first wife's
>>BROTHER, Charlie. The same Charlie referred to in "Great Wall of China."
Billy's wife's Elizabeth's brother was named Frank Weber, not
"Charlie"
"You could have had class
You could've been a contender,
Charlie, you shoulda looked out for me"
Isn't that a variation of the dialogue from "On The Waterfront"?
>>
>>
jeff kendrick
Yes, Billy's first wife, Elizabeth Weber(maiden name) Small (first
husband's last name) Joel(second husband's last name) [I don't know her
last name now] was indeed Billy's manager for a period of time. I
think from around 1975-1980. Then her brother Frank Weber became
Billy's manager. But you are right as far as I know that the Charlie
referred to in "Great Wall of China" is Frank. He just changed the
name. Perhaps in reference to On the Water Front with Marlon Brando
because in the movie he says something similar to "you could have had
class, you could have been a contender Charlie."
I don't know what ever happened to Elizabeth or Billy's step-son, Sean,
but if anyone out there has any clue as to whatever became of these two
it would be interesting to know.
> No, Billy's manager was not his first wife, but his first wife's
>BROTHER, Charlie. The same Charlie referred to in "Great Wall of
China."
>
> Billy ended up in a legal battle with Charlie that left him just
>about broke before We Didn't Start the Fire came out.
>
>
>
>On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Jason Barrie Wood wrote:
>
>> You can get written confirmation from me. The woman's name was
Elizabeth
>> Small (maiden name unknown...) and one of Billy's old partners was
named
>> Jo(h?)n Small. Elizabeth and Jon were married at the time when
Billy and
>> Jon were doing the Atilla thing, I believe. I think it was after
Attilla
>> ended that Billy and Elizabeth got together. the timeline is fuzzy
for
>> me, but I know the facts are right. Elizabeth was the inspiration
for
>> several songs and Billy has said so. He also said he wrote a song
for her
>> (She's Got a Way? or Always a Woman) and she responded by asking if
she
SharonCl
Not quite right.
Billy WAS being managed by his first wife Elizabeth when they were
married.
He was then managed by Elizabeths brother FRANK Weber, who was the piece
of dirt that ripped Billy off. He is the one the song "Great Wall of
China" is referring to.
Eric
m...@puc.net wrote:
>
> > >> He also said he wrote a song
> > for her
> > >> (She's Got a Way? or Always a Woman) and she responded by asking if
> > she
> > >> got the legal rights to it as well.
>
> insulted if someone wrote a song for me like: "She's Always a Woman."
> (The lyrics don't say much about the woman he's talking about. Ex.:
> "She steels like a thief . . .")
>
> -Shari
In your case, he forgot to add a line about bad spelling. :-)
Reb Tsvi
Jason Barrie Wood wrote:
>
> You can get written confirmation from me. The woman's name was Elizabeth
> Small (maiden name unknown...) and one of Billy's old partners was named
> Jo(h?)n Small. Elizabeth and Jon were married at the time when Billy and
> Jon were doing the Atilla thing, I believe. I think it was after Attilla
> ended that Billy and Elizabeth got together. the timeline is fuzzy for
> me, but I know the facts are right. Elizabeth was the inspiration for
> (She's Got a Way? or Always a Woman) and she responded by asking if she
> years also (ie: the boss). As far as I have ever known, he felt too
> controlled and they just split. I don't know what she did after, but I'm
> pretty sure she wasn't with any of Billy's musicians.
>
> Hope that helps.
> Woody.
>
> On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Robert Arnold wrote:
>
> > I have an ongoing disagreement here at work that I hope someone can shed
> > some light on. I say that Billy Joel's first wife was his best friend's
> > wife with whom he ran off with. My colleague says that she ran off with
> > one of the band members after she and Billy were already married. Does
> > anyone know where I can get written confirmation on either opinion.
> > Thanks.
She also got him out of an idiot contract he negotiated for himself and
linked him with Phil Ramone. She made him much more successful than he
was. However, she also linked Billy with her brother who than, according
to Billy, ripped him off big time and the whole thing went to court.
YanaB
Just to clarify:
Billy's first wife asked about legal rights to "Just the Way You Are,"
which is the song that Billy has stated was written for her.