What's cool? Questionnaire for Graduate Research Project. Ages 15-35 (+ -)
Christal Welty
INPUT... I NEED INPUT!
I'm a graduate student at Southern Methodist University doing research on what
people think is cool. Both what cool is, and what things (colors, cars, people,
places, activities, etc.) are cool.
The premise of my research is, "An advertisers definition of cool is vastly
different from the definition of cool given by people ages 15-35 (+ -)."
The questionnaire below may be filled out and forwarded to me, or visit my website:
http://www.smu.edu/~cwelty
Age: Gender: Male Female
Occupation:
City: State:
Tell us what cool is ...
Tell us what types of things are cool. (i.e. music, food, cars, colors, people,
trends, activities, TV shows, movies etc. ...) WHY ARE THEY COOL?
We look forward to hearing from you ASAP. Thanks for your help!
that abby girl
what is the recent trend involving research studies done by voluntary
reply on usenet? that's a pretty damn specific subject pool, and i'm sure
will give accurate predictions for the entire demographic range. this is
extremely unprofessional, unscientific, and i find it very hard to believe
that any grad student who would conduct a study in this manner would be
taken seriously at all.
learn how to do research, and then we might listen to you. otherwise,
go away, stop using poor netiquette (crossposting irrelevant information
to several newsgroups at once is called spamming. i could contact your
postmaster for this, as it is technically a violation of net rules and
could be classified as abuse of your account, sometimes punishable by
revoking your net access), and learn how to collect representative sample
information.
abby.
*basket case bitch*shiny and loud*high-octane*angry snatch*
ab...@nwu.edu
Joe Schumacher
On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, Christal Welty wrote:
>
> I'm a graduate student at Southern Methodist University doing research on
what
> people think is cool. Both what cool is, and what things (colors, cars,
people,
> places, activities, etc.) are cool.
>
> The premise of my research is, "An advertisers definition of cool is vastly
> different from the definition of cool given by people ages 15-35 (+ -)."
>
> The questionnaire below may be filled out and forwarded to me, or visit my
website:
> http://www.smu.edu/~cwelty
>
[survey deleted]
>
With a carefully designed and controlled study such as this you will get
very reliable and scientifically valid results!
Joe Schumacher
Christopher Flaherty
On Apr 30, 1996 14:20:17 in article <Re: What's cool? Questionnaire for
Graduate Research Project. Ages 15-35 (+ -)>, 'ab...@nwu.edu (that abby
girl)' wrote:
>learn how to do research, and then we might listen to you. otherwise,
>go away, stop using poor netiquette
--
--
Christopher Flaherty
--"Come on up here. I want to scare the cabinet."
-- Groucho Marx, 1933
KtStClaire
mid-20's female
Musician (Currently in crap temp job to pay the rent)
New York City
What is cool?
"Cool" is being true to oneself and one's own beleifs and tastes,
irrespective of current trends or peer pressure, but never attempting to
force those beleifs and tastes on others.
"Cool" is a Zen state of being, i.e. the harder one tries to attain it,
the further one is from it. (And if you try too hard, ideally there should
be a large bald monk to thwack you on the back of the head with a bamboo
stick.)
"One must allow other people to be right... it consoles them for not being
anything else." -Andre Gide, The Immoralist
Franz Korntner
that abby girl wrote:
>
> what is the recent trend involving research studies done by voluntary
> reply on usenet? that's a pretty damn specific subject pool, and i'm sure
> will give accurate predictions for the entire demographic range. this is
> extremely unprofessional, unscientific, and i find it very hard to believe
> that any grad student who would conduct a study in this manner would be
> taken seriously at all.
I agree that the posting did reflect some unprofessional and unscientific
approach, but to react so harshly is somewhat overdone. I could also have
complained but as this newsgroup gets over 400 new messages per day, I'm not
bothering as it takes too musch time to scan this newsgroup anyway. However I am
responding to your posting as this one really irritates me.
> learn how to do research, and then we might listen to you. otherwise,
> go away, stop using poor netiquette (crossposting irrelevant information
> to several newsgroups at once is called spamming. i could contact your
> postmaster for this, as it is technically a violation of net rules and
> could be classified as abuse of your account, sometimes punishable by
> revoking your net access), and learn how to collect representative sample
> information.
Acording to netiquette, spamming is posting irrelevant, inappropriate or
offending messages to one or more newsgroups. Ok, multiple newsgroups were target
of the original message, but I don't think it was irrelevant although the
contents was poor. Also according to netiquette, if you are annoyed because of
spamming, replies must be sent by e-mail and not by posting into the newsgroup
(to avoid cascading). I've quickly scanned the newsgroup and (excluding 'X
sucks') found at least 4 threads that can be marked as spamming and of which one
that was really offending.
Thus, you flame the guy because you think he was violating netiquette, but you
yourself are violating it also by not responding accordingly. Also to start
threatening by reporting him hopefully resulting in the closing of his account is
also way off. I really wonder what you do with postings like 'Read this and earn
one million dollars' (and other junk crossposted over all usenet) as you say
nothing about other spamming activities
It seems to me that you are either a teacher you enjoys harassing and
intimidating students, or you are playing a practical joke on a college student.
Either way, the guy doesn't deserve this kind of response!
This posting is already off limits so flames to fkor...@bazis.nl
mike keenan
On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, that abby girl wrote:
> what is the recent trend involving research studies done by voluntary
> reply on usenet? that's a pretty damn specific subject pool, and i'm sure
> will give accurate predictions for the entire demographic range. this is
> extremely unprofessional, unscientific, and i find it very hard to believe
> that any grad student who would conduct a study in this manner would be
> taken seriously at all.
> learn how to do research, and then we might listen to you. otherwise,
> go away, stop using poor netiquette (crossposting irrelevant information
> to several newsgroups at once is called spamming. i could contact your
> postmaster for this, as it is technically a violation of net rules and
> could be classified as abuse of your account, sometimes punishable by
> revoking your net access), and learn how to collect representative sample
> information.
>
You'd be surprised how bad research is in the social sciences sometimes.
Sociologists and psychologists want to see themselves as scientists, yet
the nature of the subject matter is not conducive to good scientific
study. Rather than admit this, though, they simply conduct bad scientific
studies. If you doubt this, check the final chapter of Richard Feynman's
autobiography _Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman_ (the chapter is called
"Cargo Cult Science").
BTW Abbs- I'll probably be back on the JH list within a couple of weeks;
say hi to all the folks there. :)
Mike
Cameron Foster
In <318548...@post.cis.smu.edu> Christal Welty
<cwe...@post.cis.smu.edu> writes:
[snip]
>The premise of my research is, "An advertisers definition of cool is
vastly
>different from the definition of cool given by people ages 15-35 (+
-)."
>
[snip]
Two things are immediately apparent. Firstly, you do not know how to
select a valid sample. Secondly, you do not seem to know how
advertising works.
Advertisers use focus groups, scientifically selected samples, test
markets, polls, and a variety of other means to determine how to target
their intended audience. The advertisers own opinion of "cool", or any
other characteristic is totally irrelevant. Actually, in the age group
you are interested in, the current definition of "cool" is more than
likely the RESULT of advertising.
For the record, I have been dealing with advertisers and ad agencies
for 30+ years, doing high-end TV post-production for commercial
accounts.
Eleven Shadows
mike keenan wrote:
> You'd be surprised how bad research is in the social sciences sometimes.
> Sociologists and psychologists want to see themselves as scientists, yet
> the nature of the subject matter is not conducive to good scientific
> study. Rather than admit this, though, they simply conduct bad scientific
> studies. If you doubt this, check the final chapter of Richard Feynman's
> autobiography _Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman_ (the chapter is called
> "Cargo Cult Science").
Just in defense of the much-maligned psychologists (sorry, sociologists, but
you're on your own!!!), I would like to say that while there are obviously
very poorly researched studies, I can tell you that there are plenty of
genuine attempts at psychological research using the scientific method, with
properly done statistical information, level of potential standard deviation,
and continuous studies done with numerous heterogeneous population pools,
properly done control groups, and the whole bit.
There are two such problems with psychology in regard to scientific studies
that I can think of off the top of my head: 1) it is a very, very new
science, still very much in its infancy. 2) psychology is doing something
that is extremely difficult -- trying to quantify something that is often
difficult to quantify.
But please trust me when I say that the majority of psychological research
being conducted makes a genuine attempt to be scientific, and gains are being
made constantly in better research. Yes, there are still very poor studies
being made, but I guarantee that the person "conducting" this "research" is
not doing in in any sort of method that she learned in psychology. I mean,
first of all, what sort of psychological study would simply state the premise
as, "What is cool?" They would be the laughing stock of the campus.
-Ken/Eleven Shadows, B.A., Psychology, CSU Northridge.
Steve Morgan
ab...@nwu.edu (that abby girl) wrote:
> what is the recent trend involving research studies done by voluntary
>reply on usenet? that's a pretty damn specific subject pool, and i'm sure
>will give accurate predictions for the entire demographic range. this is
>extremely unprofessional, unscientific, and i find it very hard to believe
>that any grad student who would conduct a study in this manner would be
>taken seriously at all.
> learn how to do research, and then we might listen to you. otherwise,
>go away, stop using poor netiquette (crossposting irrelevant information
>to several newsgroups at once is called spamming. i could contact your
>postmaster for this, as it is technically a violation of net rules and
>could be classified as abuse of your account, sometimes punishable by
>revoking your net access), and learn how to collect representative sample
>information.
>abby.
> *basket case bitch*shiny and loud*high-octane*angry snatch*
> ab...@nwu.edu
Angry SNATCH??? I think I am IN LOVE!!! :-)~~
Steve Aka Obi!!
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hell, yeah! you tell 'em, abby...
enough of the pointles polls dammit!
Rebecca
Kari Edwards
I'm a 31 year old american girl married to an englishman and i have a
feeling i know what's the next cool thing....obviously all those british
bands are going to come here and all the 'cool' people are going to get
into them. oasis are big now. then cast will come and then pulp and
then the bluetones. i believe that's going to be the next big accessible
cool thing. i don't know if anyone in this country will be able to
relate to it or not, but at least 'the kids' will start dressing better.
or more neatly. tidy! we can only hope. but with that, comes the
'look'. 70's polyester, which has already begun. or the 'soccer' look.
there's loads of soccer-type shirts out there, and i see more and more
'hipsters' wearing english football shirts. i don't know if this will
catch on in the middle of america, but on the coasts it's a big thing.
Harrup
I hope it dosen't catch on over there. I want to keep out British
identity!
A Londoner.
Harrup
I hope it dosen't catch on over there. I want to keep our British
identity!
A Londoner.
James Sweeney
> > 'hipsters' wearing english football shirts. i don't know if this will
> > catch on in the middle of america, but on the coasts it's a big thing.
>
> I hope it dosen't catch on over there. I want to keep our British
> identity!
>
> A Londoner.
yo, step off. it already came and went. sorry guys, you missed the
boat. skaters were sporting that style back in '93 with the whole "ben
davis work shirt/old school pumas/baggy jeans" motif.
not to brag, but after i saw ziggy marley sporting a jamaican adidas soccer
jersey in a '92 concert i ordered a regular old green jersey thru a soccer
company. they were pretty dope,
and that was before the whole "off-color-ribbed-neck-old-school" shirts were
in. those are pretty used up as well. case in point, the knicks t-shirt
ad-rock was wearing in the "so whatcha want" video, when "check your
head" came out in '92. That was hella long ago! thats all played out.
The British Invasion came once, let's keep it that way. I'm not baggin'
the music, but we need something new original style or trend. is it
possible? i dunno.has everything been played out?. let's stop bringing back
the past, retro-70's and all that shit. it's fly clothing, i'll be the first
one to admit. but we need something other to call our own besides grunge.
jim
z...@hutch.com.au
(b)Dont reply to these pathetic uni surveys.
(c)Nobody cares what you think is 'cool' anyway!
Sorry in advance for this crossposting response everybody else...I
couldnt help myself.
BGAcculine
Age:25 gender:MAle
Occupation:Audio Specialist/DJ/Mambo King
City:Carson City State:NV
tell us what cool is:cool is having your own style and not being a sheep.
Cool is knowing who you are and what you can do. Cool is hot jazz in a
smokey dive where the people around you barely know you're there and vice
versa. Cool is catching a pop fly at an A's game and giving to the wide
eyed little bot in the next row. Cool is being down fo wha'ever and not
judging others for not following your lead.
Stuff that is cool
Uncle tupelo-Because they sound like They Might Be Giants being serious
Daniel johnston-His voice sucks but his integrity is amazing..integrity is
cool
Beavis and butthead-becuase they remind us that we could be losers like
them and that we went to school with people just like them!
Bob Dylan-because hey...everybody must get stoned
Marijuana-6,000+ years of cultivation and it has not brought about the
fall of civilization yet......feel the effects of the high...word
Dennis Miller is way cool! Dennis tells it like it is. give the man the
props for being one of the most articulate speakers in an arena full of
ex-sitcom stars and game show hosts trying to tell America that we are
just like the freaks that come on talk shows.Please!!!
Blur-because even though they wrote Magic America they still had the balls
to come here.
Cheez Whiz is cool.......um....nachos?
Drew Carey is cool.
Pinky and the Brain are cool
sex is cool (but only consenting adult mutually satisfying sex) let's face
it, if you can't handle the Demon go ride the kiddie coaster
Dogs are cool..I have a Blue Healer(like the dog in the Road Warrior) His
name is Zero.
Tim Burton is cool....can this guy make a bad movie?
Quinten Tarintino is cool..."are you gonna laugh all day little
doggie...or are you gonna bite" that is some classic tough guy shit right
there.
Drew Berrymore is cool...I can honestly say I would sell my mother to the
Gypsys for the chance to sleep with her...and I'd love to hear her Betty
Ford stories.
Americans are cool...our gov't sucks wind though
the net is cool...I mean, you can have discussions about underwater basket
weaving with some yahoo 10,000 miles away....ah technology is cool
Edible underwear are cool....I don't think that this needs an explanation.
My friend Michele is cool....she laughs at my dumb jokes and hangs out
with me despite my shortcomings. She is also beautiful and sexy and
dynamic and a winner. Plus she like Monty Python!
Monty Python is way, way, way, cool!
I am cool...because you cannot recognize it without being it
Dancing is cool..because it beats the hell out of the workout at the Gym
Knowledge,in addition to being power, is cool. Ignorant people should not
breed, so let's make sure that Rush Limbaugh does not have any little
fascist children.
You are cool for having a .....well.....cool....thesis...
Good luck
EWE KNOW HOW WE DEW IT
Adam
In message <Pine.SOL.3.91.960508...@boris.ucdavis.edu> -
James Sweeney <ez04...@peseta.ucdavis.edu>Wed, 8 May 1996 09:53:59 -0700
writes:
:>possible? i dunno.has everything been played out?. let's stop bringing back
:>one to admit. but we need something other to call our own besides grunge.
:>
:> jim
What are you talking about? We have wonderfully intelligent words like
"dope," "fly," and "yo, step off." Try not to use those in email/usenet. It
makes you look really low class. And why would we want to call grunge our
own? It's a quite embarassing genre with very little talent at large. But
hey, why do we need anything else to call our own?!? We've got "fly!"
D. Hammond
To whoever the hell wrote this:
Low class people are those who judge others like you are doing in your
stereotype.
PS_ keep it off newsgroups that don't pertain.
Maybe you should send it to alt.people.idiots
--love to hear a response....
dewey
>
>
> What are you talking about? We have wonderfully intelligent words like
> "dope," "fly," and "yo, step off." Try not to use those in email/usenet. It
> makes you look really low class. And why would we want to call grunge our
> own? It's a quite embarassing genre with very little talent at large. But
> hey, why do we need anything else to call our own?!? We've got "fly!"
>
>
>
>
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WHAT ABOUT BITCHEN AND RAD?
Adam
In message <Pine.SOL.3.93.960522215737.6756B-100000@mail> - "D. Hammond"
<dham...@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>Wed, 22 May 1996 21:59:52 -0400 writes:
:>
:>To whoever the hell wrote this:
:>Low class people are those who judge others like you are doing in your
:>stereotype.
:>PS_ keep it off newsgroups that don't pertain.
:>Maybe you should send it to alt.people.idiots
:>
:>--love to hear a response....
:>dewey
Here's your response Dewey. Apparently you didn't read the message. Did I
say that the PERSON was low class? No. I said his actions made him look low
class. There's a difference in criticizing one's actions as opposed to his
person. Or didn't you know that?
And this thread has been going for several weeks with the crossposting. Do
you expect me to single handedly stop it? I certainly hope not. Calm down,
you'll live longer...
--Love to hear a response... <snicker>
mik...@nwu.edu
alp...@negia.net (Adam) wrote:
$ "D. Hammond" <dham...@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>
$ :>
$ :>To whoever the hell wrote this:
$ :>Low class people are those who judge others like you are doing in your
$ :>stereotype.
$ :>PS_ keep it off newsgroups that don't pertain.
$ :>Maybe you should send it to alt.people.idiots
$ :>
$ :>--love to hear a response....
$ :>dewey
$
$ Here's your response Dewey. Apparently you didn't read the message. Did I
$ say that the PERSON was low class? No. I said his actions made him look low
$ class. There's a difference in criticizing one's actions as opposed to his
$ person. Or didn't you know that?
$
$ And this thread has been going for several weeks with the crossposting. Do
$ you expect me to single handedly stop it? I certainly hope not. Calm down,
$ you'll live longer...
$
$ --Love to hear a response... <snicker>
this is most probably the weakest flame i've ever read in my entire
life. not only did you misunderstand the point of the post you were
attempting to flame, but you acted condescending while spewing drivel. 10
point deduction, dearie[1]. plus, the thread has actually died down for a
couple of weeks, and all of us over on newgroups where people actually
discuss things intelligently were hoping it had just gone away.
unfortunately, your ego reared its ugly (and rather tiny, one would
imagine) head and tried to show the world your intelligence...
try again with flaming a "make money fast" spam, and then you can work
your way up to flaming posts that have actual content. try reading
alt.flame for a while, and pick up a few tips. next time, i expect better
of you. don't waste bandwidth.
-----
[1] i can be condescending because i'm Not spewing drivel. if you're going
to patronize, you better at least have something to say. otherwise you
just sound absurd.
--
Mike Morell
Northwestern University
mik...@nwu.edu