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Rick Migliore

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Sep 3, 1993, 9:43:20 AM9/3/93
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I got into an argument with a friend of my wife last night. She said she
did not like Pearl Jam because they were a "rip off of Soundgarden." I think
she is full of shit. She claimes to have read this somewhere.

I would like to get to the bottom of this. I need some information
from some Seattle experts.

As I understand it, Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament are the nucleus of
Pearl Jam, and that they were also the nucleus of both Mother Love Bone
and Green River. This is the information I need:

1. When exactly was Soundgarden formed?
2. When was Green River formed, who was in this band, and
when did they break up?
3. When was Mother Love Bone formed and who was in this band.

I guess this is the most important question:

4. Do Green River, Mother Love Bone, and Pearl Jam all sound similar
to each other, since they have many common musicians?

Of course, what I am trying to demonstrate is that if Pearl Jam sounds
like Mother Love Bone and MTB sounds like Green River, it would be
silly to say that Pearl Jam is a Soundgarden rip off since I assume that
Green River goes back quite a few years. (My wife's friend said
"Soundgarden has been around since the late 70's". I don't think Chris
Cornell looks that old...)

It is true that the Pearl Jam meets Soundgarden record "Temple of the
Dog" was recorded a few months before the sessions for "Ten," so I
suppose that maybe Chris' style may have rubbed off on Stone and Jeff,
but this seems unlikely to me. However, never having heard MLB, I
do not know if Pearl Jam's music was a radical departure from MTB's
music.

I would also like to hear the opinions on this from some die-hard
Soundgarden fans (I am not so sure a die-hard Pearl Jam fan could
be objective).

KING INK

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Sep 3, 1993, 1:37:34 PM9/3/93
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In article <267hlo...@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>,


your first friend is correct. (they are a rip off, and a bad one at that.)
your wife is wrong. (they formed in (off the top o' my head) 84)
i'll post a complete Seattle family tree breakdown when i get the chance.
(else get Goldmine magazine with Shit Jam on the cover.)

--
Your superior in all aspects of life,
-Sam el...@selway.umt.edu OR el...@axposf.pa.dec.com
Rain King in chains there's nowhere to go
On my naming day when i come 12, i kilt a boar.

Barry Donahue

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Sep 3, 1993, 2:43:52 PM9/3/93
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Rip off??? I doubt it.The music for ten was on demo cassettes before the
Temple of the Dog sessions. The Seattle scene is/was so incestuous that many
bands influenced each other. For some strange reason Pearl Jam got this fucked up
rep from day one and can't completely shake it.

I like them and don't much care who doesn`t but get some facts correct.

John Lillis

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Sep 3, 1993, 3:21:09 PM9/3/93
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In article <267hlo...@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> rick...@apricot.engin.umich.edu (Rick Migliore) writes:
>
>I got into an argument with a friend of my wife last night. She said she
>did not like Pearl Jam because they were a "rip off of Soundgarden." I think
>she is full of shit. She claimes to have read this somewhere.

IMO, they aren't a rip-off of SoundGarden - but Lame all the same.
Eddie V may try to sound like Cornell at times though (can't
do it - nor can he stand up against Neil Young).

>
>I would like to get to the bottom of this. I need some information
>from some Seattle experts.

"Expert" - nope, but lived there and saw most of them..
I'll tell you what I know (and think).

>
>As I understand it, Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament are the nucleus of
>Pearl Jam, and that they were also the nucleus of both Mother Love Bone
>and Green River. This is the information I need:
>
>1. When exactly was Soundgarden formed?

Can't say for sure, but I saw them open for the Butthole
surfers in late 86 or early 87.

>2. When was Green River formed, who was in this band, and
> when did they break up?

Not sure - but saw them in Vancouver around the same time.
(maybe earlier).

>3. When was Mother Love Bone formed and who was in this band.

Saw them at Bumpershoot in maybe 88 - pretty boring
glam IMHO.


>
>I guess this is the most important question:
>
>4. Do Green River, Mother Love Bone, and Pearl Jam all sound similar
> to each other, since they have many common musicians?

Don't forget Mudhoney. I am pretty sure that Mark
Arm was the main man in GR. To me it is amazing that
MLB came out of GR - GR was pretty hard-core.
When GR ended, I think 1/2 went to form Mudhoney and
the other 1/2 formed MLB. Mudhoney and Pearl Jam are
imo about as different as two bands can get...

>
>Of course, what I am trying to demonstrate is that if Pearl Jam sounds
>like Mother Love Bone and MTB sounds like Green River, it would be
>silly to say that Pearl Jam is a Soundgarden rip off since I assume that
>Green River goes back quite a few years. (My wife's friend said
>"Soundgarden has been around since the late 70's". I don't think Chris

>Cornell looks that old...) ^^^^^^^^

That would surprise me, but maybe...

>
>It is true that the Pearl Jam meets Soundgarden record "Temple of the
>Dog" was recorded a few months before the sessions for "Ten," so I
>suppose that maybe Chris' style may have rubbed off on Stone and Jeff,
>but this seems unlikely to me. However, never having heard MLB, I
>do not know if Pearl Jam's music was a radical departure from MTB's
>music.

You should listen to Temple of the Dog and try to
pick out the one song that was written by members
of Pearl Jam (the music at least - everything else is
written by Cornell I believe). In other words pick out
the lame song. As far as I know, the only Soundgarden -
Pearl Jam connection is that the singer in MLB that
died (can't remember his name) was Chris Cornell's
roommate - a good portion of Temple of the Dog is about
that topic.


>
>I would also like to hear the opinions on this from some die-hard
>Soundgarden fans (I am not so sure a die-hard Pearl Jam fan could
>be objective).

IMHO, Chris Cornell and Soundgarden are pretty cool and
talented while Pearl Jam is pretty boring formula no matter
how much Eddie V. feigns intensity on stage.

If only SG was opening for Neil Young when I see them....

(guess I haven't *really* answered your question...)

All this is of course IMHO - don't be offended if you
live for Pearl Jam (as I am starting to realize that I
may be offending the original poster).





--john









Brian Wofford

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Sep 3, 1993, 11:44:41 PM9/3/93
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In article <267hlo...@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>,

rick...@apricot.engin.umich.edu (Rick Migliore) wrote:
>
>
> I got into an argument with a friend of my wife last night. She said she
> did not like Pearl Jam because they were a "rip off of Soundgarden." I think
> she is full of shit. She claimes to have read this somewhere.

Your friend is full of shit! KING INK---->GET A FUCKIN' CLUE!!!


>
> I would like to get to the bottom of this. I need some information
> from some Seattle experts.
>
> As I understand it, Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament are the nucleus of
> Pearl Jam, and that they were also the nucleus of both Mother Love Bone
> and Green River. This is the information I need:
>
> 1. When exactly was Soundgarden formed?

Soundgarden was formed in the mid-80's. Right around the time that
Green River and Malfunkshun (one band everyone forgot to mention) were
formed, a little bit after I belive.

> 2. When was Green River formed, who was in this band, and
> when did they break up?

I'm not sure when Green River was formed but they dissolved in 88.

> 3. When was Mother Love Bone formed and who was in this band.

Mother Love Bone included;
Andrew Wood
Stone Gossard
Jeff Ament
Bruce Fairweather
Greg Gilmore
not sure when they formed, sometime between when Green River broke up and
1989 when their first mini-LP, Shine, was released.


>
> I guess this is the most important question:
>
> 4. Do Green River, Mother Love Bone, and Pearl Jam all sound similar
> to each other, since they have many common musicians?

I haven't heard Green River's music so I can't compare them. Mother Love
Bone and Pearl Jam sound nothing alike. MLB is a lot more mellow.


>
> Of course, what I am trying to demonstrate is that if Pearl Jam sounds
> like Mother Love Bone and MTB sounds like Green River, it would be
> silly to say that Pearl Jam is a Soundgarden rip off since I assume that
> Green River goes back quite a few years. (My wife's friend said
> "Soundgarden has been around since the late 70's". I don't think Chris
> Cornell looks that old...)

Soundgarden have definitley not been around since the late 70's.
Soundgarden broke up at one point to find a new drummer so that Chris
Cornell could concentrate on vocals instead of vocals and drums.


>
> It is true that the Pearl Jam meets Soundgarden record "Temple of the
> Dog" was recorded a few months before the sessions for "Ten," so I
> suppose that maybe Chris' style may have rubbed off on Stone and Jeff,
> but this seems unlikely to me. However, never having heard MLB, I
> do not know if Pearl Jam's music was a radical departure from MTB's
> music.

The Temple of the Dog project was created by Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament
with the help of their pals from SG, Chris Cornell and Matt Cameron. Adding
the vocals of Eddie Vedder and the guitar of Mike McCready finished off the
list for Temple. After the album was cut, before Pearl Jam was formed,
Chris and Matt went back to Soundgarden and the addition of Dave Krusen
gave us Pearl Jam. Although Dave is no longer with the band. He only stayed
around long enough to record the album. Now Dave Aburneze (sp?) is their
drummer.


>
> I would also like to hear the opinions on this from some die-hard
> Soundgarden fans (I am not so sure a die-hard Pearl Jam fan could
> be objective).

Here is a tree of seattle bands and who came from where

GREEN RIVER SOUNDGARDEN MALFUNKSHUN
Mark Arm Chris Cornell Andrew Wood
Steve Turner Matt Cameron Kevin Wood-------
Jeff Ament -- Ben Sheperd Regan Hager |
Stone Gossard | Kim Thayil |
Alex Vincent | |
|
| |
|
MUDHONEY <---| | MOTHER LOVE BONE <-------|
Mark Arm |-------------------->Andrew Wood
Steve Turner | Stone Gossard
Matt Lukin | Jeff Ament
Dan Peters | Bruce Fairweather
| Greg Gilmore
| |
| |
TEMPLE OF THE DOG <----------|
Chris Cornell
Matt Cameron
Stone Gossard------
Jeff Ament |
Eddie Vedder |
Mike McCready |
| |
SOUNDGARDEN <---| |----> PEARL JAM
Chris Cornel Stone Gossard
Matt Cameron Jeff Ament
Ben Sheperd Mike McCready
Kim Thayil Eddie Vedder
Dave Krusen (Dave A.)

forgive the crudity but this is the basic Seattle Family Tree.

Brian

boiling hard in euphemism

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Sep 6, 1993, 3:39:47 PM9/6/93
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In <26dt4l$h...@usenet.rpi.edu> ree...@vccsouth01.its.rpi.edu (Matthew Reed) writes:

>OK I said my shit. What do you guys think of Stone Temple Pilots?
>Do they say they have influences? DO you think their stuff is
>very original? I kind of like it, but a lot of people think they
>are rip-offs.

>L8r, MATT [die hard soundgarden fan]
>\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

Stone Temple Pearl Jam? huh? well...i do personally tend to think they sound
like a Pearl Jam ripoff...as well as an Alice in Chains ripoff...but that is
simply my own opinion...it can be looked at two ways: one - they heard the
pearl jam album and liked it a lot and set out to emulate it...or two - they'd
been playing their songs for a while just the way they were and some record
company exec heard them and thought "wow, they sound like pearl jam...i bet i
could sell 'em"...now that i think about it, the latter of the two is probably
closer to the truth because the STP album came out about a year and a half or
so after PJ's did and about a year after they broke...so for STP to find out
that PJ was a popular sound and then write similar songs and then make a demo
to get signed and then record and release an album...i dunno...a year seems
like too short a time for all of that to happen...but i've been wrong before

greg


Matthew Reed

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Sep 5, 1993, 7:35:49 PM9/5/93
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[excerpts]

>I got into an argument with a friend of my wife last night. She said she
>did not like Pearl Jam because they were a "rip off of Soundgarden." I think
>she is full of shit. She claimes to have read this somewhere.

I don't think they are a rip off (not so much as Stone temple pilots
are a rip off of PJ and others)
but every band has its influences, and who in seattle could exist and
not be influenced by soundgarden, one of the earliest and strongest
sounding bands from 80s seattle music?

>Of course, what I am trying to demonstrate is that if Pearl Jam sounds
>like Mother Love Bone and MTB sounds like Green River, it would be
>silly to say that Pearl Jam is a Soundgarden rip off since I assume that
>Green River goes back quite a few years. (My wife's friend said
>"Soundgarden has been around since the late 70's". I don't think Chris
>Cornell looks that old...)
>

SG's first stuff (flower, ultramega OK) came out around 84, but I think
they existed a few years earlier.
(somebody else mentioned this too, btw)



>It is true that the Pearl Jam meets Soundgarden record "Temple of the
>Dog" was recorded a few months before the sessions for "Ten," so I
>suppose that maybe Chris' style may have rubbed off on Stone and Jeff,
>but this seems unlikely to me. However, never having heard MLB, I
>do not know if Pearl Jam's music was a radical departure from MTB's
>music.

TEMPLE was, as described by cornell in some article/interview
(rolling stone?) formed by band members who knew andy wood, to
deal with his heroin o.d. death. There was also an RS article
interview with Cameron Crowe, about Singles, that touched on
this.

Temple was started because Cornell, who roomed with Wood, wrote
2 or three songs (reach down, say hello 2 heaven, etc) and then
recorded them in only about two weeks or so, with members of
wood's band and cornell's band, MLB and soundgarden.

If you look at the album for temple of the dog, most of the songs
were written by cornell, but there was obviously a lot of input
from others involved.

I do like pearl jam, but to me, cornell is a musical/lyrical GOD
while Vedder is just ok, too vague, kind of boring. And I'll venture
to say that Pearl Jam's success lies in the fact that most of the
people that love their shit are, well, similar. They appeal to many
people. Soundgarden is probably too intense for a lot of people.
I think SG is musically better, better when played loud, cornell's
lyrics are amazing, and they are more dedicated to their music
than a lot of bands. But that's my opinion, and I am looking
forward to PJ's next album almost as much as the SG album in
the works.


>I would also like to hear the opinions on this from some die-hard
>Soundgarden fans (I am not so sure a die-hard Pearl Jam fan could
>be objective).

OK I said my shit. What do you guys think of Stone Temple Pilots?


Do they say they have influences? DO you think their stuff is
very original? I kind of like it, but a lot of people think they
are rip-offs.

L8r, MATT [die hard soundgarden fan]

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Hands all over the coastal waters | Matthew Reed
The crew men thank her | ree...@rpi.edu
Then lay down their oily blanket | Rensselaer Polytechnic
Hands all over the inland forest | Bite the Bullet, World
In a striking motion trees fall down |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Like dying soldiers - S O U N D G A R D E N

Fagbuster

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Green River is very "Grungish"(or what the MTV media calls grunge)...MLB sounds
very much like pearljam with Axl Rose on vocals...musically its great. Temple
of the Dog also has a Pearl Jammish sound, but the songs are very commercial
sounding. ...Soundgarden (which started in 1984, after Green River) actually
sounds like a Zepplin rip-off, not that I don't like them. Both bands are close
and there is really no bad-blood between thenm. *Andy*8)

KING INK

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Sep 7, 1993, 2:13:16 PM9/7/93
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>
>SG's first stuff (flower, ultramega OK) came out around 84, but I think
>they existed a few years earlier.
>(somebody else mentioned this too, btw)
>

SG's first stuff would be
Hunted Down 7'
Screaming Life
Fopp


>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>Hands all over the coastal waters | Matthew Reed
>The crew men thank her | ree...@rpi.edu
>Then lay down their oily blanket | Rensselaer Polytechnic
>Hands all over the inland forest | Bite the Bullet, World
>In a striking motion trees fall down |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>Like dying soldiers - S O U N D G A R D E N
>\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

some random person

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Sep 7, 1993, 7:12:20 PM9/7/93
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Matthew Reed (ree...@vccsouth01.its.rpi.edu) wrote:

>I do like pearl jam, but to me, cornell is a musical/lyrical GOD
>while Vedder is just ok, too vague, kind of boring. And I'll venture
>to say that Pearl Jam's success lies in the fact that most of the
>people that love their shit are, well, similar. They appeal to many
>people. Soundgarden is probably too intense for a lot of people.
>I think SG is musically better, better when played loud, cornell's
>lyrics are amazing, and they are more dedicated to their music
>than a lot of bands. But that's my opinion, and I am looking
>forward to PJ's next album almost as much as the SG album in
>the works.

I think this man read my mind... I feel exactly the same way. Pearl Jam
does not really compare to Soundgarden, when it comes right down to
it, but I still like Pearl Jam a lot (I'm just really sick of them, that's
all.) I don't know if Vedder is *boring* but compared to Cornell he not
too spectacular at all.

>OK I said my shit. What do you guys think of Stone Temple Pilots?
>Do they say they have influences? DO you think their stuff is
>very original? I kind of like it, but a lot of people think they
>are rip-offs.

I bought theire CD in March on Spring Break after having heard only
"Sex Type Thing" and my first impression was that it wasn't too good (I
really liked "STT" and "Crackerman", and though "Plush" was OK), but I
never thought of them as a rip-off of anyone. I mean, I can see how
someone would say that but they are different enough from the bands that
people are accusing them of ripping off that it is obvious that while they
are similar, they are not ripping them off. I've listened to it more since
they got big, and, while I like it more than when I first got it, I don't
think they are all so wonderful like everyone says they are, and certainly
not good enough to be on the cover of Rolling Stone (or Spin or whatever
magazine it was).

>L8r, MATT [die hard soundgarden fan]

--darren [die hard soundgarden fan also

some random person

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Fagbuster (cbur...@academic.csubak.edu) wrote:
>Green River is very "Grungish"(or what the MTV media calls grunge)...MLB sounds
>very much like pearljam with Axl Rose on vocals...musically its great. Temple
>of the Dog also has a Pearl Jammish sound, but the songs are very commercial
>sounding. ...Soundgarden (which started in 1984, after Green River) actually
>sounds like a Zepplin rip-off, not that I don't like them. Both bands are close
>and there is really no bad-blood between thenm. *Andy*8)


I personally don't like MLB too much... I think it's the vocals that ruin
it for me, I don't think Andy Wood had a good voice at all. but you're right
they do sound similar to Pearl Jam mostly because the primary songwriting
team moved on to Pearl Jam (Stone & Jeff).

Soundgarden has been compared to Zep right from their very beginning but they
aren't really a rip-off.... the guitar is *totally* different. Jimmy Page
used textures of chords and melodies and different instruments, whereas
Kim Thayil uses much more arbitrary noise (such as pick slides, artificial
and natural harmonics, and string nosie), feedback, muted strings/dead notes,
and other, more dynamic and percussive guitar techniques. But Cornell does
have a Robert Plant-like lungs, and when he sings (screams?) in the upper
register sounds a lot like Plant. I have an issue of Spin magazine (came
out one or two years ago, soon after the initial "grunge" exploitation, er,
explosion) with Cornell on the cover and in the article the Zeppelin
comparisons are mentioned--the comparisons were mostly because of Cornell's
voice.

Another comparison I have heard often is that soundgarden sounds like Sabbath,
especially live. And it is true, if you listen carefully... many of the riffs
soundgarden uses are in the low register and slow and plodding and powerful
(Soundgarden initially gained recognition for being one of the first post-punk
bands to slow their songs down at a time when people were playing faster and
faster and faster.)

I don't agree with Temple of the Dog being commercial sounding, though...
In fact I think it is quite the opposite. When it was released, it was almost
completely ignored by everyone who knew about it... Jeez, even I knew about
it when it was released and I didn't know anything about Soundgarden or
Seattle. But then, after Soundgarden and Pearl Jam became more popular and
"grunge" happened the album began to sell more and more, so it was re-released.
It was not commercial when it was recorded (end of '90/beginning of '91).

--darren

DADDY HACK

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Sep 8, 1993, 1:13:36 AM9/8/93
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In article <26j4gk$a...@news.bu.edu>, dar...@cs.bu.edu (some random person) writes:
> Matthew Reed (ree...@vccsouth01.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
>
>>I do like pearl jam, but to me, cornell is a musical/lyrical GOD
>>while Vedder is just ok, too vague, kind of boring. And I'll venture
>>to say that Pearl Jam's success lies in the fact that most of the
>>people that love their shit are, well, similar. They appeal to many
>>people. Soundgarden is probably too intense for a lot of people.
>>I think SG is musically better, better when played loud, cornell's
>>lyrics are amazing, and they are more dedicated to their music
>>than a lot of bands. But that's my opinion, and I am looking
>>forward to PJ's next album almost as much as the SG album in
>>the works.
>
> I think this man read my mind... I feel exactly the same way. Pearl Jam
> does not really compare to Soundgarden, when it comes right down to
> it, but I still like Pearl Jam a lot (I'm just really sick of them, that's
> all.) I don't know if Vedder is *boring* but compared to Cornell he not
> too spectacular.

I don't think Eddie Vedder could ever be boring.....I think his appeal
to me is the fact that he makes up for his lack of genetics with raw emotion.
Let's face were not all born with Cornell or PLant like voices.....I have
seen both live and Chris just didn't have the charisma or the energy that
eddie did.....

Chris may have the octaves but, Eddie reigns with emotions.

Drop the Leash,
Keith
Krf...@acad.drake.edu

Matthew Reed

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Sep 8, 1993, 4:58:44 PM9/8/93
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In article <1993Sep7.1...@selway.umt.edu>,

KING INK <el...@selway.umt.edu> wrote:
>
>SG's first stuff would be
>Hunted Down 7'
>Screaming Life
>Fopp
>--
>Your superior in all aspects of life,
>-Sam el...@selway.umt.edu OR el...@axposf.pa.dec.com


Ouch, thanks, how could I forget!

Matthew Reed

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In article <1993Sep7...@acad.drake.edu>,

DADDY HACK <krf...@acad.drake.edu> wrote:
>In article <26j4gk$a...@news.bu.edu>, dar...@cs.bu.edu (some random person) writes:
>> Matthew Reed (ree...@vccsouth01.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
>>
>>>I do like pearl jam, but to me, cornell is a musical/lyrical GOD
>>>while Vedder is just ok, too vague, kind of boring. And I'll venture
etc etc

>> I think this man read my mind... I feel exactly the same way. Pearl Jam
>> all.) I don't know if Vedder is *boring* but compared to Cornell he not
>> too spectacular.
etc etc

> I don't think Eddie Vedder could ever be boring.....I think his appeal
>to me is the fact that he makes up for his lack of genetics with raw emotion.
>Let's face were not all born with Cornell or PLant like voices.....I have
>seen both live and Chris just didn't have the charisma or the energy that
>eddie did.....
>
>Chris may have the octaves but, Eddie reigns with emotions.
>
>Keith

OK keith, but I think you're being fooled. I WILL get flamed for
this, but I think Vedder is a poser, he feigns emotion, look at
him man! Jesus, I think his fucking head is going to explode
sometimes, and sometimes I wish it would. If you've ever really
listened to some soundgarden lyrics, especially badmotorfinger,
and temple of the dog, where cornell wrote almost all the lyrics,
you would know emotion put into words. No one else can do it like
cornell. But then again, maybe it's just hitting me a certain
way, I relate to it.

HAVE FUN

ps check out DANDELION

DADDY HACK

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Sep 9, 1993, 12:58:38 AM9/9/93
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>
> OK keith, but I think you're being fooled. I WILL get flamed for
> this, but I think Vedder is a poser, he feigns emotion, look at
> him man! Jesus, I think his fucking head is going to explode
> sometimes, and sometimes I wish it would. If you've ever really
> listened to some soundgarden lyrics, especially badmotorfinger,
> and temple of the dog, where cornell wrote almost all the lyrics,
> you would know emotion put into words. No one else can do it like
> cornell. But then again, maybe it's just hitting me a certain
> way, I relate to it.
>
> HAVE FUN

"But then again, maybe it's just hitting me a certain way, I relate to."

I couldn't have said it better my self.....It all boils down to a matter of
taste.....and you shouldn't be flamed for yours......Although I think poser
is a strong, vague, and severely overused word. If Eddie is faking his
emotions he is doing a great job...but, I really don't think he is....no matter
how many times I see him perform he always has the same Emotion....the kind
of emotion that comes from believing in your convictions....the kind of
emotion that comes from caring about your audience. Chris is a fantastic
composer and performer, no doubt, but he could use a few lessons in appearing
interested in his music......

Drop the Leash,
Keith

P.s. Eddie didn't know Andrew Wood and thusly had no reason to compose music
in his honor. He wasn't even in Seattle when most of Temple was recorded.

nowimnothing

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Sep 9, 1993, 2:49:00 AM9/9/93
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Sorry, I guess a better term would be "rehearsed". It just sounded very
musically perfect. I don't want to imply that the album was popular. It didn't
see the light of day until MTV put "Hunger Strike" into 25 hour rotation.. and
peaple only bought into it then because Eddie Vedder was singing along.
Actually, the best song I've ever heard
Cornell do is that acoustic nubmer on
the singles soundtrack. Most excellent. "Andy" 00 :: :
>. :
u-

Kim Lobur

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Sep 10, 1993, 10:00:39 AM9/10/93
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In article <26j4gk$a...@news.bu.edu> dar...@cs.bu.edu (some random person) writes:
>Matthew Reed (ree...@vccsouth01.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
>
>>I do like pearl jam, but to me, cornell is a musical/lyrical GOD
>>while Vedder is just ok, too vague, kind of boring. And I'll venture

Have you guys checked out this band called Smothered Steak?
Very good the vocalist is incredible.

A Little while ago I read on the net that Pearl Jam, Smothered Steak
& Sound Garden were all supposed to have been on the Temple of the Dog
CD. I think the story was that Smothered Steak was in the process of
touring and recording the 1st album. To bad for them.
Anyway I went looking for anything that may feature Raven(Smothered Steaks)
throat man and either or both Cornell & Vedder. I was fortunate
enough to have found a Vedder & Raven duet. It was more like
Vedder was singing background to Raven and justfully so.
Raven is better than the both of them and has a much better range.
Unfortunately, the recording was a bootleg of a friend of a friends
and that jerk would not give sell or anything else me a copy of it.

Good luck in finding it, it took me a while. But it was well worth it,
these layed done a serious groove, I even caught them do a show with
Natalie (can you believe it) Merchant, it was awesome I did not think
she had it in her. Boy was I wrong, It would seem that raven brought
the throat out of her. Definately look for the band, they are hot.


Kim

KING INK

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Sep 11, 1993, 5:28:56 PM9/11/93
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In article <26lhhb$t...@usenet.rpi.edu>,

i recall when i used to hear things like:

>sometimes, and sometimes I wish it would. If you've ever really
>listened to some soundgarden lyrics, especially badmotorfinger,
>and temple of the dog, where cornell wrote almost all the lyrics,
>you would know emotion put into words. No one else can do it like
>cornell. But then again, maybe it's just hitting me a certain
>way, I relate to it.

BADmotorfinger? gimmie a break. i have Everything except Deep Six and BADm..
is BY FAR the worst piece of dogshit i've ever heard. Screaming Life of Louder
any day.

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