More Wire Malarkey: The 100 'Most Important' Records Ever
Tom Ewing
This list, which I leave you as a parting gift (mini-holiday and
moving house mean my internetting is going to be intermittent for a
while) , comes from Issue 100 of The Wire (June 1992) and was their
stab at the 100 Most Important Records Ever. Let 'em have it, folks!
(No distinction appears to be made between singles, albums and box
sets.)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - "On The Halls" (1900-1930)
ANTON WEBERN - "Complete Works cond. Boulez" (1900-1945, rec.1978)
THE DINWIDDIE COLORED QUARTET - "Early Negro Vocal Quartets Vol.1"
(rec.1902)
IGOR STRAVINSKY - "The Firebird/Petrushka/The Rite Of Spring cond.
Boulez" (1910-1913, rec.1978)
BELA BARTOK - "Bartok At The Piano 1920-45" (1920-45)
BESSIE SMITH - everything (1923-33)
.....which is frankly cheating but there you go.
JELLY ROLL MORTON - "The Jelly Roll Morton Centennial: His Complete
Victor Recordings" (1926-30)
LOUIS ARMSTRONG - "Hot Five & Hot Seven" (1926-28)
CHARLEY PATTON - "Father Of The Delta Blues" (1926-30)
BLIND WILLIE JOHNSON - "Praise God I'm Satisfied" (1927-30)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - "Really! The Country Blues" (1927-33)
DZIGA VERTOV - "Enthusiasm: Symphony Of The Donbas OST" (1931)
ROBERT JOHNSON - "The Complete Recordings" (1936-37)
BILLIE HOLIDAY WITH THE TEDDY WILSON ORCHESTRA - "The Complete"
(1935-39)
COUNT BASIE - "The Original American Decca Recordings" (1936-40)
MUGGSY SPANIER - "The Great 16" (1939)
COLEMAN HAWKINS - "Body And Soul" (1939)
DUKE ELLINGTON - "The Blanton-Webster Years" (1939-42)
CHARLIE PARKER - "The Savoy Sessions" (1944-48)
THELONIOUS MONK - "Genius Of Modern Music Vol 1 And 2" (1947-52)
WOODY HERMAN - "Four Brothers" (1948)
LENNIE TRISTANO - "Intuition" (1949)
OLIVER MESSAIEN - "Turangalila Symphony" (1950)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - "Folk Music Of The Mediterranean" (1952)
ART TATUM - "The Tatum Solo Masterpieces" (1953)
ELVIS PRESLEY - "That's All Right (Mama)/Blue Moon Of Kentucky" (1954)
JULIE LONDON - "Julie Is Her Name" (1955)
FRANK SINATRA - "Songs For Swinging Lovers" (1955)
SONNY ROLLINS - "Saxophone Colossus" (1956)
THE FIVE ROYALES - "Dedicated To The One I Love" (1958)
CHUCK BERRY - "Sweet Little Sixteen" (1958)
MILES DAVIS - "Kind Of Blue" (1959)
BO DIDDLEY - "Go Bo Diddley" (1959)
KARLHEINZ STOCKHAUSEN - "Gesang Der Junglinge/Kontakte" (1960)
ORNETTE COLEMAN - "Change Of The Century" (1960)
GIL EVANS - "Out Of The Cool" (1961)
BILL EVANS - "The Village Vanguard Sessions" (1961)
OLIVER NELSON - "Blues And The Abstract Truth" (1961)
BOOKER T AND THE MGs - "Green Onions" (1962)
CHARLES MINGUS - "The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady" (1963)
L A MONTE YOUNG - "Sunday Morning Blues" (1963)
EZZ RECO AND THE LAUNCHERS - "King Of Kings" (1964)
ALBERT AYLER TRIO - "Spiritual Unity" (1964)
THE KINGSMEN - "Louie Louie" (1964)
ERIC DOLPHY - "Out To Lunch" (1964)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - "A Collection Of 16 Tamla Motown Hits" (1964)
THE KINKS - "See My Friend" (1965)
JAMES BROWN - "Papa's Got A Brand New Bag" (1965)
BOB DYLAN - "Highway 61 Revisited"
ALEGRE ALL-STARS - "They Don't Make Em Like Us Anymore" (1960s-70s)
MORTON SUBOTNICK - "Silver Apples Of The Moon" (1967)
JOHN COLTRANE - "A Love Supreme" (1967)
THE BEATLES - "Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" (1967)
FRANK ZAPPA AND THE MOTHERS OF INVENTION - "We're Only In It For The
Money" (1967)
JIMI HENDRIX - "Axis Bold As Love" (1967)
SLY AND THE FAMILY STONE - "Dance To The Music" (1968)
THE MELODIANS - "Pre-meditation" (late 1960s)
CAPTAIN BEEFHEART AND THE MAGIC BAND - "Trout Mask Replica" (1969)
THE VELVET UNDERGROUND - "White Light/White Heat" (1969)
THE ROLLING STONES - "Let It Bleed" (1969)
SCOTT WALKER - "Scott 3" (1969)
THE METERS - "Look A Py Py" (1970)
THE STOOGES - "Funhouse" (1970)
SOFT MACHINE - "Third" (1970)
VARIOUS WHALES - "Songs Of The Humpback Whale" (1970)
LED ZEPPELIN - "Led Zeppelin IV" (1971)
PHILIP GLASS - "Music In Twelve Parts" (1971-74, rec. 1989)
RAVI SHANKAR & ALI AKBAR KHAN - "In Concert 1972" (1972)
STEVIE WONDER - "Innervisions" (1972)
MARVIN GAYE - "Let's Get It On" (1972)
STEELY DAN - "Can't Buy A Thrill" (1972)
JONI MITCHELL - "Ladies Of The Canyon" (1972)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - "Nuggets" (1972, rec.1965-68)
BOB MARLEY - "Catch A Fire" (1973)
CAN - "Soon Over Babaluma" (1974)
GRUPO FOLKLORIO Y EXPERIMENTAL NUEVAYORQUINO - "Concepts In Unity"
(1975)
PATTI SMITH - "Horses" (1975)
FELA RANSOME KUTI & THE AFRICA 70 - "Kalakuta Show" (1976)
BRIAN ENO - "Another Green World" (1976)
THE CLASH - "The Clash" (1977)
HANS JURGEN SYBERBERG - "Hitler: A Film From Germany OST" (1977)
KRAFTWERK - "Trans Europe Express" (1977)
EVAN PARKER - "Monoceros" (1978)
PERE UBU - "Dub Housing" (1978)
PUBLIC IMAGE LIMITED - "Metal Box" (1979)
THE POP GROUP - "Y" (1979)
ALBAN BERG - "Lulu" (1979, though composed earlier)
THE FALL - "Slates, Slags, Etc." (1981)
GRANDMASTER FLASH - "The Adventures Of Grandmaster Flash On The Wheels
Of Steel" (1981)
KING SUNNY ADE - "Juju Music" (1982)
MICHAEL JACKSON - "Thriller" (1984)
HUSKER DU - "Zen Arcade" (1984)
MINOR THREAT - "Minor Threat" (1984)
MADONNA - "Into The Groove" (1985)
VARIOUS ARTISTS - "The Indestructible Beat Of Soweto" (1985)
CHRISTIAN MARCLAY - "Record Without A Cover" (1985)
MR FINGERS - "Washing Machine" (1986)
AMI KOITA - "Tata Sira" (1988)
CECIL TAYLOR - "In Berlin '88" (1988)
PUBLIC ENEMY - "Bring The Noise" (1988)
Some Thoughts: It looks like about 30 or so writers submitted
piecelets which were then run chronologically - at times the feature
reads like an a.m.a Classics Or Duds (except with the real Greil
Marcus and Simon Reynolds involved), with knotty musings over the
worth of, eg, The Beatles. Other entries take 'important' to mean
socially, others read like rehearsals for this month's list. Several
of the big 'omissions' from that one were touched on here, though.
Cheers,
Tom.
np: Arnold Dreyblatt - 'Nodal Excitation' (The best record I've bought
this year, though it didnt come out in '98)
J. Mcglinchey
> JULIE LONDON - "Julie Is Her Name" (1955)
"Calendar Girl" is one of the 100 most important album covers ever,
though. ;)
> BILL EVANS - "The Village Vanguard Sessions" (1961)
> OLIVER NELSON - "Blues And The Abstract Truth" (1961)
Yes indeedy!
> CHARLES MINGUS - "The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady" (1963)
MINGUS-AH-UM or MINGES AT ANTIBES.
> JOHN COLTRANE - "A Love Supreme" (1967)
Twasn't 1967.
> THE VELVET UNDERGROUND - "White Light/White Heat" (1969)
Ah, I can die happy now...it's about time this one made it onto a list
instead of the other three. :)
> SOFT MACHINE - "Third" (1970)
They've really been on a Soft Machine kick lately, haven't they? Weird...
> STEELY DAN - "Can't Buy A Thrill" (1972)
COUNTDOWN TO ECSTACY or PRETZEL LOGIC.
> CAN - "Soon Over Babaluma" (1974)
Dare I say it? FUTURE TIMES.
Joe M.
U of Washington
p.s. With all their hipness, they still haven't gotten around to
plundering Magma yet. I say within the next 5 years. :)
djp...@bbn.com
tew...@NOSPAMnetcomuk.co.uk wrote:
>
> This list, which I leave you as a parting gift (mini-holiday and
> moving house mean my internetting is going to be intermittent for a
> while) , comes from Issue 100 of The Wire (June 1992) and was their
> stab at the 100 Most Important Records Ever. Let 'em have it, folks!
>
> (No distinction appears to be made between singles, albums and box
> sets.)
>
You know, I'm surprised. Of the bands/musicians/composers I recognize, I
wholeheartedly agree with their presence, if not the particular work selected.
The only artists I can think of that I would say were ommisions would be good
recordings of Montiverdi's Vespers, Beethoven's Ninth Symphony and Mozart's
"The Magic Flute", plus Billie Holliday and Jane's Addiction's _Nothing's
Shocking_ (which is a personal bias, as I see that as the album that broke
80's hair metal's hold on American radio). I'd also throw in an early Prince
album, like _Dirty Mind_ or _Controversy_.
I'm still mad impressed that they listed Webern and Messianen, though. THAT'S
some broad taste. :)
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F.B.
"J. Mcglinchey" <joe...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>> CHARLES MINGUS - "The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady" (1963)
>
>MINGUS-AH-UM or MINGES AT ANTIBES.
My favorite is New Tijuana Moods
>
>> JOHN COLTRANE - "A Love Supreme" (1967)
>
>Twasn't 1967.
That's right. '64, right?
And, wow, not the "hip" choice that you might expect -- like Crescent
or OM. In terms of "importance" my vote might go to Giant Steps.
>
>> THE VELVET UNDERGROUND - "White Light/White Heat" (1969)
This one was '67.
>> SOFT MACHINE - "Third" (1970)
>
>They've really been on a Soft Machine kick lately, haven't they?
Weird...
I like Two the best, with Third right behind.
>
>> STEELY DAN - "Can't Buy A Thrill" (1972)
>
>COUNTDOWN TO ECSTACY or PRETZEL LOGIC.
I love all their albums but probably would put Countdown as my
favorite.
>
>> CAN - "Soon Over Babaluma" (1974)
>
>Dare I say it? FUTURE TIMES.
I like Tago Mago or Ege Bamyasi, but these are great ones, too.
Magma? Just wait.
Matt P
Kris Srinivasan
: MINOR THREAT - "Minor Threat" (1984)
As long as we're correcting years, this is more like '81 or '82 (although
maybe they're looking at UK release dates or something). This list is way
more obvious than the more recent one, thus harder to argue.
Kris.
Nicole
Geir Hongro wrote:
> Hmmm....
>
> Somebody got Virgin's brand new Top 1000 list?
Please. If someone posts that, I fear the thread will last longer than
"Method Man arrested.."........
fred solinger
what?! when did this happen? ;P
but seriously, is the "k-mart bans prodigy" thread still going? ;)
peace...fred
(np: sergio mendes & brasil '66, "the look of love")
Geir Hongro
Somebody got Virgin's brand new Top 1000 list?
--
Geir Hongro
Playlist:
A Tune a Day-Supernaturals
Imagination-Brian Wilson
Oddysey & Oracle-Zombies
Sheet Music-10cc
Original Soundtrack-10cc
How Dare You?-10cc
Geir Hongro
>>
>> Somebody got Virgin's brand new Top 1000 list?
>
>"Method Man arrested.."........
Still Virgin's list is so extensive and based on so many people's opionion it must be
seen as more important than Wire's list of 100 so-called "important" records that
most people have not heard of at all. (No best albums of all time list without
Beatles or "Pet Sounds" on it deserves to be taken seriously, as "everybody" knows
those are most serious music fans' favourites...)
Michael Daddino
>
> This list, which I leave you as a parting gift (mini-holiday and
> moving house mean my internetting is going to be intermittent for a
> while) , comes from Issue 100 of The Wire (June 1992) and was their
> stab at the 100 Most Important Records Ever. Let 'em have it, folks!
[snip: 100 pretty darned important records]
Lists are malarkey, but this is good malarkey. The choices are like
those of the Library of Congress's National Film Registry* -- that same
dreamy mix of the populist and the progressive. In the list's universe,
Bo Diddley and Stockhausen alike get to tell the story of the
avant-garde impulse in music...plus, with all the rock, blues, gospel,
and jazz records, about 2/3rds of the music on this list were made by
Americans. *OUR* century, MUTHAFUCKAH! ;-)
*Which is at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Unofficial/Movies/NFR-Titles.html
The inclusion of something like *The Indestructible Beat of Soweto* irks
me a little. It's not an important record because it had a direct
influence on a generation of South African musicians -- in fact, at that
point, mbanqua was seen as unhip, even Uncle Tomish to the majority of
South Africa's young. It's important because it made mbanqua (and in a
sense, all non-Western pop music) interesting for a generation of record
buyers. What I don't know and what I want to know is what are the
paradigm-shifting records for soukous, salsa, filmi, highlife, juju,
zouk, tropicalismo, etc., the records which launched new musical memes
throughout Africa, India, Brazil, Indonesia and everywhere else. And if
there aren't any, why not -- do these music scenes eschew canonization
as we know it?
Other small grumbles: no *Anthology of American Folk Music*; no "I Feel
Love"; "Green Onions" instead of "What I'd Say"; "Brand New Bag" instead
of "Cold Sweat"; they *totally* whimped out with the Motown compilation;
and there's NOT ONE SINGLE hillbilly/bluegrass/county & western side,
unless you count Elvis, which I don't.
--Mike
Cultural Artifact of the Moment: You want Virgin's top 1,000 albums
list? You are *such* the anal-compulsive dweeb. Much more intriguing is
their worst albums of all time list: Screaming Lord Sutch, *Lord Sutch
and His Heavy Friends*; Lou Reed, *Metal Machine Music*; Elvis Presley,
*Having Fun With Elvis on Stage*; William Shatner, *The Transformed
Man*; Todd Rundgren *Initiation*.
Michael Daddino
>
> South Africa's young. It's important because it made mbanqua
Oddly enough, "mbaqanga" is not on my spell-check.
--Mike
Cultural Artifact of the Moment: It's not amazing that there's a band
called "Spread Beaver" in Japan. What's amazing is that they don't
appear to be some kind of psyche/noise band.
J. Mcglinchey
> --Mike
>
> Cultural Artifact of the Moment: You want Virgin's top 1,000 albums
> list? You are *such* the anal-compulsive dweeb. Much more intriguing is
> their worst albums of all time list: Screaming Lord Sutch, *Lord Sutch
> and His Heavy Friends*; Lou Reed, *Metal Machine Music*; Elvis Presley,
> *Having Fun With Elvis on Stage*; William Shatner, *The Transformed
> Man*; Todd Rundgren *Initiation*.
Hey, I want that one! Can it be posted? Oh, and by the way
Virgin wankers: Screaming Lord Sutch rulz!!!
Joe M.
U of Washington
NP: D i a m a n d a G a l a s, _P l a g u e M a s s_ (1990)
I'll bet this one's on there, too, somewhere. :)
Michael Daddino
>
> On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Michael Daddino wrote:
>
> > Cultural Artifact of the Moment: You want Virgin's top 1,000 albums
> > list? You are *such* the anal-compulsive dweeb. Much more intriguing is
> > their worst albums of all time list: Screaming Lord Sutch, *Lord Sutch
> > and His Heavy Friends*; Lou Reed, *Metal Machine Music*; Elvis Presley,
> > *Having Fun With Elvis on Stage*; William Shatner, *The Transformed
> > Man*; Todd Rundgren *Initiation*.
>
> Hey, I want that one! Can it be posted?
I wish. I've seen two news reports online about it, and they only list
the bottom five. There's nothing about it at
http://www2.pncl.co.uk/~rocklist/, which is usually very dependable
about such things.
Also interesting is the most overrated records list:
1 Brothers In Arms - Dire Straits
2 Rumours - Fleetwood Mac
3 Hotel California - Eagles
4 Bat Out Of Hell - Meat Loaf
5 Bridge Over Troubled Water - Simon & Garfunkel
-Mike
Cultural Artifact of the Moment: Turns out that Jack Nicholson is
"highly interested" in doing a live-action version of *How the Grinch
Stole Christmas*. DAMNIT, does Hollywood have to ruin *everything* ?!?!
keyse...@my-dejanews.com
Geir Hongro <geir...@online.no> wrote:
> Nicole <pure...@vanilli.earthlink.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Geir Hongro wrote:
> >
> >> Hmmm....
> >>
> >> Somebody got Virgin's brand new Top 1000 list?
> >
> >Please. If someone posts that, I fear the thread will last longer than
> >"Method Man arrested.."........
>
> Still Virgin's list is so extensive and based on so many people's opionion it
must be
> seen as more important than Wire's list of 100 so-called "important" records
that
> most people have not heard of at all. (No best albums of all time list without
> Beatles or "Pet Sounds" on it deserves to be taken seriously, as "everybody"
knows
> those are most serious music fans' favourites...)
>
> --
>
Well gawddamn, hasn't it already been explained that the Wire list was meant
to spotlight *underheard/unexplored* albums? of course the beach boys and
beatles wouldn't fit into either category, so why would they be on such a
list? Just because someone has more patience when it comes to rock music
than you, it means they're less serious music fans? think again geir old
boy.
key
> Playlist:
> A Tune a Day-Supernaturals
crap
> Imagination-Brian Wilson
lame
> Oddysey & Oracle-Zombies
classic
> Sheet Music-10cc
> Original Soundtrack-10cc
> How Dare You?-10cc
who?
Doug Horne
: > Beatles or "Pet Sounds" on it deserves to be taken seriously, as "everybody"
: knows
: > those are most serious music fans' favourites...)
Well, that's definitely your opinion.... the Beach Boys could be erased from
history and the only change to me would be that I wouldn't be able to tell
stories about a strange fat man playing piano in a sandbox full of cat-shit
in his living room... important to you (and many many others) but "serious"
music fans? Those would be people that have heard of the bands on Wire's
list (who, as someone pointed out, are intended to be underappreciated
artists, unlike the overappreciated ones you mention).
It will be very interesting to see how the Beatle's longevity holds up once
the Boomers and their retro-kids get bored.... some great albums sure... but
the greatest?....starting to look a little faded already, if you ask me.
(whereas say Captain Beefheart, for example, still sounds fresh to me).
keyse...@my-dejanews.com
dho...@uoguelph.ca (Doug Horne) wrote:
> : > most people have not heard of at all. (No best albums of all time list
without
> : > Beatles or "Pet Sounds" on it deserves to be taken seriously, as
"everybody"
> : knows
> : > those are most serious music fans' favourites...)
>
> Well, that's definitely your opinion.... the Beach Boys could be erased from
> history and the only change to me would be that I wouldn't be able to tell
> stories about a strange fat man playing piano in a sandbox full of cat-shit
> in his living room... important to you (and many many others) but "serious"
> music fans? Those would be people that have heard of the bands on Wire's
> list (who, as someone pointed out, are intended to be underappreciated
> artists, unlike the overappreciated ones you mention).
Being a bit dismissive aren't you? They may be overaprecciated, but many more
"out there" artists have admitted a debt to Wilson and company, nothing wrong
with shimmering popidelica.
>
> It will be very interesting to see how the Beatle's longevity holds up once
> the Boomers and their retro-kids get bored.... some great albums sure... but
> the greatest?....starting to look a little faded already, if you ask me.
> (whereas say Captain Beefheart, for example, still sounds fresh to me).
>
I think you're comparing apples and oranges...serious music fans like both the
beatles and beefheart for different reasons. At least I do...any maybe
Beefheart still sounds fresh because most classic radio stations are oblivious
to his existence...not that you listen to the radio...hope not anyway.
key
Doug Horne
: "out there" artists have admitted a debt to Wilson and company, nothing wrong
: with shimmering popidelica.
As is so often missed on newsgroups, I made a point of saying "opinion"
in my post....for me, the Beach Boys are an annoyance in the history of
anything... disposable, forgettable, unimportant. The same bands talk
fondly of the Carpenters and Madonna... many people have their favourite
band of "popidelica"... I have a Nancy Sinatra album.
: I think you're comparing apples and oranges...serious music fans like both the
: beatles and beefheart for different reasons. At least I do...any maybe
: Beefheart still sounds fresh because most classic radio stations are oblivious
: to his existence...not that you listen to the radio...hope not anyway.
Actually, I listen to a fair bit of radio... mostly for the Sun Ras,
Coltranes, and many of the actually important bands of the type Wire
listed...my point in the first place, I guess. Some "serious" fans like
Beefheart, some like the Beatles, some like both; the smart ones only
like the good stuff that each put out. Actually, most "serious" fans I
know (don't think I'll use that word again) are only into the Beatles for
tacky memorabilia and the odd album... more likely into the Stones, I'm
afraid.
Kris Srinivasan
: : I think you're comparing apples and oranges...serious music fans like both the
: : beatles and beefheart for different reasons. At least I do...any maybe
: : Beefheart still sounds fresh because most classic radio stations are oblivious
: : to his existence...not that you listen to the radio...hope not anyway.
:
: Actually, I listen to a fair bit of radio... mostly for the Sun Ras,
: Coltranes, and many of the actually important bands of the type Wire
: listed...my point in the first place, I guess. Some "serious" fans like
Yeah; no kidding. The first time I heard Captain Beefheart was on college
radio. In fact, the only time I hear Captain Beefheart is on college
radio, as I own none of his albums. What do you have against radio?
Kris.
keyse...@my-dejanews.com
dho...@uoguelph.ca (Doug Horne) wrote:
> : Being a bit dismissive aren't you? They may be overaprecciated, but many
more
> : "out there" artists have admitted a debt to Wilson and company, nothing
wrong
> : with shimmering popidelica.
>
> As is so often missed on newsgroups, I made a point of saying "opinion"
> in my post....for me, the Beach Boys are an annoyance in the history of
> anything... disposable, forgettable, unimportant. The same bands talk
> fondly of the Carpenters and Madonna... many people have their favourite
> band of "popidelica"... I have a Nancy Sinatra album.
>
Yessir, I hear ya and I do understand the concept of the "opinion"...was just
rattling the cage as they say. I definitly don't like everything I "should"
like, and I usually just pass it off as "well they may be good, but it ain't
for me." Hmmm, Carpenters and Madonna? I guess Sonic Youth have endorsed
both at one time or another, but those people are kind of flakey, ya know?
As for Nancy Sinatra, she *was* a novelty, but Lee Hazlewood was most
certainly the man.
> : I think you're comparing apples and oranges...serious music fans like both
the
> : beatles and beefheart for different reasons. At least I do...any maybe
> : Beefheart still sounds fresh because most classic radio stations are
oblivious
> : to his existence...not that you listen to the radio...hope not anyway.
>
> Actually, I listen to a fair bit of radio... mostly for the Sun Ras,
> Coltranes, and many of the actually important bands of the type Wire
> listed...my point in the first place, I guess. Some "serious" fans like
> Beefheart, some like the Beatles, some like both; the smart ones only
> like the good stuff that each put out. Actually, most "serious" fans I
> know (don't think I'll use that word again) are only into the Beatles for
> tacky memorabilia and the odd album... more likely into the Stones, I'm
> afraid.
>
I was being facetious with the radio comment (not that you could tell);
there's plenty of worthwhile programming out there, especially if ya live in
a college town. Tacky memorabilia is silly though, isn't it? So, you mean
they only buy the "odd" releases and leave behind the "even" ones? They'd
get "Revolver" and skip over "Sgt Peppers"? Get "Magical Mystery Tour" and
leave the "White Album"? That is odd, bizarre even. So these same people
think the Stones were better than the Beatles? Perhaps we should get these
fans subscribed to the group and start a new thread...a thread that probably
need not be unfurled.
key
P.S...."Revolution #9" was influenced by Stockhausen ya know...
keyse...@my-dejanews.com
ez05...@dogbert.ucdavis.edu (Kris Srinivasan) wrote:
> Doug Horne (dho...@uoguelph.ca) wrote:
> : : I think you're comparing apples and oranges...serious music fans like both
the
> : : beatles and beefheart for different reasons. At least I do...any maybe
> : : Beefheart still sounds fresh because most classic radio stations are
oblivious
> : : to his existence...not that you listen to the radio...hope not anyway.
> :
> : Actually, I listen to a fair bit of radio... mostly for the Sun Ras,
> : Coltranes, and many of the actually important bands of the type Wire
> : listed...my point in the first place, I guess. Some "serious" fans like
>
> radio. In fact, the only time I hear Captain Beefheart is on college
> radio, as I own none of his albums. What do you have against radio?
>
> Kris.
>
Have nothing at all against college radio...I was more referring to
commercial radio (and being a smartass in the process). College radio is
without question very important when it comes to spreading the word, etc.
key
Kris Srinivasan
: P.S...."Revolution #9" was influenced by Stockhausen ya know...
Yes, but Start Me Up was influenced by Morton Subotnick, which is why
serious music fans prefer them to the Beatles. Fans in the uppermost
eschelon tend to prefer Cro-Magnon to either, I'm afraid.
Kris.
Geir Hongro
>: Being a bit dismissive aren't you? They may be overaprecciated, but many more
>: "out there" artists have admitted a debt to Wilson and company, nothing wrong
>: with shimmering popidelica.
>
>As is so often missed on newsgroups, I made a point of saying "opinion"
>in my post....for me, the Beach Boys are an annoyance in the history of
>anything... disposable, forgettable, unimportant. The same bands talk
>fondly of the Carpenters and Madonna... many people have their favourite
>band of "popidelica"... I have a Nancy Sinatra album.
>
>
>: beatles and beefheart for different reasons. At least I do...any maybe
>: Beefheart still sounds fresh because most classic radio stations are oblivious
>: to his existence...not that you listen to the radio...hope not anyway.
>
>Actually, I listen to a fair bit of radio... mostly for the Sun Ras,
>Coltranes, and many of the actually important bands of the type Wire
>listed...my point in the first place, I guess. Some "serious" fans like
>like the good stuff that each put out.
Bullshit. "Serious" fans are those who appreciate the music for the music itself
(pleasant and nice listening that is) not the ones who appreciate it for its
"innovation" or for "changing their life or their point of view". Music should never
be seen as anything else than pleasant entertainment, but there is good pleasant
entertainment and there is bad pleasant entertainment and if you listen to enough pop
music you learn to appreciate Beatles and Beach Boys rather than Mariah Carey simply
because Beatles and Beach Boys used harmony and melody is a much more exciting way.
--
Geir Hongro
Playlist:
Babel Fish-Babel Fish
Trampolines-Trampolines
Six-Mansun
A Tune a Day-Supernaturals
Troublegun-Merrymakers
Beat-Tall Trees
Geir Hongro
>: > most people have not heard of at all. (No best albums of all time list without
>: > Beatles or "Pet Sounds" on it deserves to be taken seriously, as "everybody"
>: knows
>: > those are most serious music fans' favourites...)
>
>
>Well, that's definitely your opinion.... the Beach Boys could be erased from
>history and the only change to me would be that I wouldn't be able to tell
>stories about a strange fat man playing piano in a sandbox full of cat-shit
>in his living room... important to you (and many many others) but "serious"
>music fans? Those would be people that have heard of the bands on Wire's
>list (who, as someone pointed out, are intended to be underappreciated
>artists, unlike the overappreciated ones you mention).
>
>the Boomers and their retro-kids get bored.... some great albums sure... but
>the greatest?....starting to look a little faded already, if you ask me.
>(whereas say Captain Beefheart, for example, still sounds fresh to me).
The tunes that will survive is the tunes that may be hummed. "Für Elise", "Eine
Kleine Nachtmusik" and "Air" have all survived and stayed popular for centuries
because they are melodic, nice, pleasant and easy to hum along too. Since nobody will
ever be able to hum a Captain Beefheart tune he is bound to be forgotten and those
"alternative" freaks looking for "innovative" music (those freaks will of course
always be there) will move along to something else.
Gondola Bob
<geir...@online.no> wrote:
> Bullshit. "Serious" fans are those who appreciate the music for the music
itself
> (pleasant and nice listening that is) not the ones who appreciate it for its
> "innovation" or for "changing their life or their point of view". Music
should never
> be seen as anything else than pleasant entertainment, but there is good
pleasant
> entertainment and there is bad pleasant entertainment and if you listen
to enough pop
> music you learn to appreciate Beatles and Beach Boys rather than Mariah
Carey simply
> because Beatles and Beach Boys used harmony and melody is a much more
exciting way.
Oh, so "serious fans" only like music in a simplistic, shallow,
whistle-a-happy-tune manner. Interesting theory. Totally laughable, but
interesting. It remains ever fascinating how you can continue to be so
self-absorbed that you decree that EVERYONE should have the same tastes as
you.
> Since nobody will
> ever be able to hum a Captain Beefheart tune he is bound to be forgotten
and those
> "alternative" freaks looking for "innovative" music (those freaks will of
course
> always be there) will move along to something else.
Beefheart hasn't recorded in 15 years, and his reputation grows every year.
He'll always be remembered, just as will other "worthless noise" artists
like the Velvet Underground and the Stooges. Deal with it, Geir.
Hey, does anyone out there still remember Dodgy? Didn't think so.
GB
Jim Smith
Don't be so snotty. Geir was right. Get over it.
Jim.
Jim Smith
>
> dho...@uoguelph.ca (Doug Horne) wrote:
> >: Being a bit dismissive aren't you? They may be overaprecciated, but many more
> >: "out there" artists have admitted a debt to Wilson and company, nothing wrong
> >: with shimmering popidelica.
> >
> >As is so often missed on newsgroups, I made a point of saying "opinion"
> >in my post....for me, the Beach Boys are an annoyance in the history of
> >anything... disposable, forgettable, unimportant. The same bands talk
> >fondly of the Carpenters and Madonna... many people have their favourite
> >band of "popidelica"... I have a Nancy Sinatra album.
> >
> >
> >: I think you're comparing apples and oranges...serious music fans like both the
> >: beatles and beefheart for different reasons. At least I do...any maybe
> >: Beefheart still sounds fresh because most classic radio stations are oblivious
> >: to his existence...not that you listen to the radio...hope not anyway.
> >
> >Actually, I listen to a fair bit of radio... mostly for the Sun Ras,
> >Coltranes, and many of the actually important bands of the type Wire
> >listed...my point in the first place, I guess. Some "serious" fans like
> >Beefheart, some like the Beatles, some like both; the smart ones only
> >like the good stuff that each put out.
>
> (pleasant and nice listening that is) not the ones who appreciate it for its
> "innovation" or for "changing their life or their point of view". Music should never
> be seen as anything else than pleasant entertainment, but there is good pleasant
> entertainment and there is bad pleasant entertainment and if you listen to enough pop
> music you learn to appreciate Beatles and Beach Boys rather than Mariah Carey simply
> because Beatles and Beach Boys used harmony and melody is a much more exciting way.
As usual our King has summed up the situation perfectly. I bow to thee.
Jim.
Paul Kaczmarek
>Since nobody will
>ever be able to hum a Captain Beefheart tune he is bound to be forgotten and those
>"alternative" freaks looking for "innovative" music (those freaks will of course
>always be there) will move along to something else.
but I love humming the phased channel-crossing drums on 'Click Clack'!
- seriously though, I have been known to hum 'On Tomorrow' and 'Mirror
Man' and anyone and their dog could hum 'My Head is my Only House' or
'Too Much Time'.
Not listened to much of the Captain, then Geir?
Paul Kaczmarek
wrote:
>As usual our King has summed up the situation perfectly. I bow to thee.
more like bend over for him ...
keyse...@my-dejanews.com
Why are you so deadset against music being dark or bizarre? I'm not
referring to death metal here, but most music is about emotion in one way or
another...it can be pleasent and satisfying like your beatles or beach boys,
and it can be dark and harrowing like your Kable or Dead C. Both serve a
purpose, as in each illicit's an emotion. They're just coming from different
places. I love the fact that music can be both pretty and horrifying, just
like life in general....makes it more interesting.
key
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