Worst lyric(s) of all time?!
Neil Sarver
I'm searching for the worst lyric(s).
My nomination is "I don't want to touch you too much baby, 'cos making
love to you might drive me crazy..." from "Love Bites" by Def Leppard
(if you disagree give the Softy Speaks Out at
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/3271/speaks.html a shot).
Please fill out the questionaire at
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/3271/form.html
Thank you :)
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Geir Hongro
I'd advice you to listen to more records by Non-English-speaking
groups.
How about this passage from "You're My Heart, You're My Soul" by
Modern Talking?:
Deep in my heart there's a fire burning heart.
Deep in my heart there's desire for a start.
I'm dying in emotion. Makes the world my fantasy.
Living in my, living in my dreams.
You're my heart, you're my soul... etc.....
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In article <5t6htq$q0...@hkusud.hku.hk>, Paul McGregor's Microphone Stand
<NOJUNKj...@NOJUNKhotmail.com> writes
>In article <33F66A...@geocities.com>, soft...@geocities.com wrote:
>>I'm searching for the worst lyric(s).
>>
From that Osmonds song recently covered by Boyzone:
Don't love me for fun, girl
Let me be the one, girl
Love me for a reason
Let the reason be love.
It makes me squirm just typing them in.
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Neil Koomen
Paul McGregor's Microphone Stand wrote:
>
> In article <33F66A...@geocities.com>, soft...@geocities.com wrote:
> >I'm searching for the worst lyric(s).
> >
> >love to you might drive me crazy..." from "Love Bites" by Def Leppard
>
>
> "Suppose a rock's out of the question" - Def Leppard
And you've all overlooked Led Zeppelin?
Or is it just too hard to choose which song?
Mitigating factor: They plagiarized.
I'd quote "Stairway to Heaven," but years of hynososis, drug therapy,
and electroshock (not to mention electrolysis) have succeeded in wiping
a lot of those lyrics from memory.
Paul McGregor's Microphone Stand
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Tom Ewing
On Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:04:42 -0700, Neil Sarver
<soft...@geocities.com> wrote:
>I'm searching for the worst lyric(s).
Look no further than 'Russians' by Sting.
Tom.
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- some detourned comic or other, the 60s.
Persi's Dead
In article <33f8ce74...@nntp.netcruiser>, eb...@netcomuk.co.uk says...
>
>On Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:04:42 -0700, Neil Sarver
><soft...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm searching for the worst lyric(s).
>
>Look no further than 'Russians' by Sting.
Worse than Dodgy, Tom?
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Paul McGregor's Microphone Stand wrote:
>
> >I'm searching for the worst lyric(s).
> >
> >love to you might drive me crazy..." from "Love Bites" by Def Leppard
>
> "If I was a booger would you blow your nose" - Lemonheads
>
> "Suppose a rock's out of the question" - Def Leppard
come on, that lemonheads line is great. gives a nice visual doesn't it?
damn funny too.
Daniel W. Pyun
how about that song that's starts
" I hate the world around me"
is that bitch(meredith brooks)?
anyway both songs blow goat. the lyrocs are pretty pathetic. she
sounds like she's trying to be angst filled and cynical but jsut sounds
like she is trying to much and not writing about her feelings. if
you're not pissed and angst filled, don't write about that shit. write
happy shit. you'll probably make a better song.
Heather
Neil Sarver wrote:
>
> I'm searching for the worst lyric(s).
>
> My nomination is "I don't want to touch you too much baby, 'cos making
> love to you might drive me crazy..." from "Love Bites" by Def Leppard
> http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/3271/speaks.html a shot).
>
> Please fill out the questionaire at
> http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/3271/form.html
>
> Thank you :)
> --
> Neil
> The Bleeding Tree
> http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/3271
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>
> "In every country the Communists have taken over, the first thing they
> do is outlaw cockfighting"
> --John Monks, Oklahoma state representative
I'd hafta say "rappers delight" by the sugar hill gang.
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Geir Hongro
eb...@netcomuk.co.uk (Tom Ewing) wrote:
>On 19 Aug 1997 07:51:50 GMT, cow...@ix.netcom.com (Persi's Dead)
>wrote:
>
>>>Look no further than 'Russians' by Sting.
>>
>>Worse than Dodgy, Tom?
>
>be beaten in my lifetime, although 'Dolphins Make Me Cry' by
>whoever-it-was had a good shot.
I suppose you don't like the lyrics of "Don't Kill The Whale" by
Yes.
Politically Correct lyrics may be a bit irritating, but nothing is
worse than uninspired love lyrics.
Anyway: Who am I to write about lyrics? After all I don't consider
the lyrics part of the music at all :-)
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
In article <33F9A3...@69.37>, 4...@69.37 wrote:
>how about that song that's starts
>" I hate the world around me"
>is that bitch(meredith brooks)?
Actually, it starts 'I hate the world today', but you're close.
>anyway both songs blow goat. the lyrocs are pretty pathetic. she
>sounds like she's trying to be angst filled and cynical but jsut sounds
>like she is trying to much and not writing about her feelings. if
>you're not pissed and angst filled, don't write about that shit. write
>happy shit. you'll probably make a better song.
Now, I'm not a huge fan of the song, but that's not what she's writing
about at all. Listen to the lyrics carefully. She's basically saying she
admires her boyfriend for putting up with her moods. According to
Meredith, she meant it as an 'embracing of all aspects of personality,
even the bad ones'. Whether it resulted in a good song, well, I won't pass
judgement, but she isn't trying to be angsty on it.
Cheers,
Lulu
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dougal mckinnon
Tom Ewing wrote:
> >I'm searching for the worst lyric(s).
>
> Look no further than 'Russians' by Sting.
>
Or the entire Queen back catalogue.
Tom Ewing
>>Look no further than 'Russians' by Sting.
>
>Worse than Dodgy, Tom?
By a mile. I very much doubt whether the jaw-dropping 'Russians' will
be beaten in my lifetime, although 'Dolphins Make Me Cry' by
whoever-it-was had a good shot.
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>I'd hafta say "rappers delight" by the sugar hill gang.
Now for all that Rapper's Delight runs out of steam around the, oh, 12
minute mark, it's still got enough great bits not to qualify. Super
sperm and all that.
Tom Ewing
On 19 Aug 1997 23:57:32 GMT, Geir Hongro <gho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I suppose you don't like the lyrics of "Don't Kill The Whale" by
>Yes.
>
>Politically Correct lyrics may be a bit irritating, but nothing is
>worse than uninspired love lyrics.
Havent heard the Yes track, but even from the titles there's a
difference. "Don't Kill The Whale" is a bit sanctimonious but just a
political song. "Dolphins Make Me Cry" OTOH brings the singer into it,
presumably to emphasise what a sensitive new man *he* is. That's when
I dont like it.
Gregg Ensminger
Neil Sarver wrote:
>
> I'm searching for the worst lyric(s).
Honestly, I don't know what the worst lyrics of all time are, but
they're probably being written, recorded, or performed by Mariah Carey.
:)
Gregg Ensminger
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Geir Hongro
eb...@netcomuk.co.uk (Tom Ewing) wrote:
>Havent heard the Yes track, but even from the titles there's a
>difference. "Don't Kill The Whale" is a bit sanctimonious but >just a political song.
As you may guess we Norwegians don't like political songs against
whale hunting :-)
Kris Srinivasan
What about that Big Black song where Albini goes "I've never hung a darkie
but I've clothed and fed one" or something like that? It has about the
same effect as that Russians song. Remember, we share the same biology,
regardless of ideology.
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Stephen Miller
eb...@netcomuk.co.uk (Tom Ewing) writes:
>On 19 Aug 1997 07:51:50 GMT, cow...@ix.netcom.com (Persi's Dead)
>wrote:
>>>Look no further than 'Russians' by Sting.
>>
>>Worse than Dodgy, Tom?
>By a mile. I very much doubt whether the jaw-dropping 'Russians' will
>be beaten in my lifetime, although 'Dolphins Make Me Cry' by
>whoever-it-was had a good shot.
You bastard! Now I have "...there is no historical precedent to put the
words in the mouth of the president" running through my head. I shall
attempt to retaliate by bludgeoning you with Oreo Chuckwagon:
I heard it from a friend, who
heard it from a friend, who
heard it from another you been messin' around
But I don't believe it
Not for a minute
(pronunciation guide: it --> "et", minute --> "mee-net")
May you suffer for your transgression!
Steve.
Kris Srinivasan
Kris Srinivasan (ez05...@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu) wrote:
: What about that Big Black song where Albini goes "I've never hung a darkie
: but I've clothed and fed one" or something like that? It has about the
: same effect as that Russians song. Remember, we share the same biology,
: regardless of ideology.
I was just thinking...Sting isn't even correct. Assuming thoughts (and
therefore ideologies) have some sort of biochemical basis (which I think
is pretty well accepted truth; the brain does not operate through magic)
Sting is just talking his usual horseshit again.
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Kris Srinivasan wrote in article <5tfc63$r2n$2...@mark.ucdavis.edu>...
>What about that Big Black song where Albini goes "I've never hung a darkie
>but I've clothed and fed one" or something like that? It has about the
>same effect as that Russians song. Remember, we share the same biology,
>regardless of ideology.
>
>Kris.
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>
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Geir Hongro wrote:
>
> As you may guess we Norwegians don't like political songs against
> whale hunting :-)
Hmm...a smile indicating sarcasm? You're obviously not feeling well
today, Geir.
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jason mcclelland
jaded_fuk (SPICE GIRLS) wrote:
>
> I'll put my vote in for anything written by Sting. That man would
> sell his sole for a rhyme.
>
> -TEX
>
> -
> "Good art has no meaning"
> -Jim Rantschler
I agree, he didn't seem as bad in the Police, but once he got on his
own, he just snapped, and has been writing the most ridiculous lines of
all time. Maybe he lost touched touch with the real world.
jason mcclelland
Ez
In article <33ff7683...@news.pacbell.net>,
-that...@Ispamblock.dork- wrote:
> I'll put my vote in for anything written by Sting. That man would
> sell his sole for a rhyme.
>
> -TEX
>
what the Oasis lyric that goes something like:
"Oh how I've missed her,
On her hand is a blister."
that one *really* sucks :)
Eric.
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On 20 Aug 1997 00:43:01 -0700, Gregg Ensminger <gct...@geocities.moc>
wrote:
here's one of the worst lyrics...i think it's called Gregg
Ensminger...pathetic lyrics...just read the top.
The Dre151
>Would you like some shit songs?
> Just listen the chemical brothers' Block rocking beats; M.
>Brookes' Bitch; and all these rhytm'n blues groups.
>
>
>
>
Ok, i think they wanted songs with dumb lyrics...those lryics aren't
dumb,they actually make sense! Just 'cause you don't like the song
doesn't mean the lyrics are bad.
Steve Monnot
Apparently, you haven't actaully LISTENED to the lyrics. I'm no Meridith
Brooks fan, but the song is about the many sides of our personalities.
No angst is intended. Use your ears.
Steve M.
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
In article <5thvp9$p...@news.cei.net>, gero...@fs.cei.net (Tom Geronimo) wrote:
> Thats a tough one to nail down since there are so many tunes to
>select from. How about "Rio" from Duran Duran. Hell! How about
>any song by Duran Duran?
My god, are you mad? Rio-period Duran Duran are brilliant...too bad they
are dreadful now. At any rate, nothing Duran Duran have done is equal in
sheer crap level to this:
Someone's knocking at the door
Somebody's ringing the bell
Someone's knocking at the door
Somebody's ringing the bell
Do me a favour?
Open the door...
...And let 'em in
Oooh yeah
Yeah, thanks for the fucking advice, Sir Paul. I couldn't have figured
that one out without you.
Cheers,
Lulu
N.B.: For full effect, sing the song while imagining crap flute noises in
the background, reminiscent of the Unbirthday Song from Alice in
Wonderland.
Stephen Miller
bitch...@removethis.geocities.com (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds) writes:
>In article <33F9A3...@69.37>, 4...@69.37 wrote:
>>how about that song that's starts
>>" I hate the world around me"
>>is that bitch(meredith brooks)?
>Actually, it starts 'I hate the world today', but you're close.
>>anyway both songs blow goat. the lyrocs are pretty pathetic. she
>>sounds like she's trying to be angst filled and cynical but jsut sounds
>>like she is trying to much and not writing about her feelings. if
>>you're not pissed and angst filled, don't write about that shit. write
>>happy shit. you'll probably make a better song.
>Now, I'm not a huge fan of the song, but that's not what she's writing
>about at all. Listen to the lyrics carefully. She's basically saying she
>admires her boyfriend for putting up with her moods. According to
>Meredith, she meant it as an 'embracing of all aspects of personality,
>even the bad ones'. Whether it resulted in a good song, well, I won't pass
>judgement, but she isn't trying to be angsty on it.
My initial reaction upon hearing that song was "hmm, someone's
ripping off 'Sex, I'm A...' by Berlin". Regardless, the song isn't
up to par.
Returning to the thread's theme, I nominate the Smiths for this choice
lyric: "Some girls are bigger than others, and some girls' mothers
are bigger than other girls' mothers". Blech. Nice tune, otherwise.
Steve.
The Evil BIGGIE
On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:51:51 -0400, Neil Koomen
<neilk...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
>Paul McGregor's Microphone Stand wrote:
>>
>> In article <33F66A...@geocities.com>, soft...@geocities.com wrote:
>> >I'm searching for the worst lyric(s).
>> >
>> >My nomination is "I don't want to touch you too much baby, 'cos making
>> >love to you might drive me crazy..." from "Love Bites" by Def Leppard
>>
>> "If I was a booger would you blow your nose" - Lemonheads
>>
>> "Suppose a rock's out of the question" - Def Leppard
>
>And you've all overlooked Led Zeppelin?
>
>Or is it just too hard to choose which song?
>
>Mitigating factor: They plagiarized.
>
>I'd quote "Stairway to Heaven," but years of hynososis, drug therapy,
>and electroshock (not to mention electrolysis) have succeeded in wiping
>a lot of those lyrics from memory.
Zeppelin BITE!!!! Look, Def Leppard and shit might have bad lyrics,
but fucking Zeppelin are considered rock gods. Here's a choice
tidbits:
With a purple umbrella and a fifty cent hat, livin luvin she's just a
women.
I H8 ZEPPELIN!!!!!!
THEY'RE THE MOST OVERATED PEICES OF HORSIE DUNG IN THE HISTORY OF THE
EARTH. IT'S ALL VERY VERY SAD.
By the way, silverchair suck because they like Zeppelin. Listening to
Stairway will make you write: yeah, i'm a freak of nature yeah i'm a
freak i dont really know how to put on a cool show as boring as they
come just tell me where to go, SAD STUFF!!!
Persi's Dead
In article <34051e3e...@news.zippo.com>, ev...@biggie.com says...
>Zeppelin BITE!!!!
Man, Zeppelin and the Stones were the greatest. End of story.
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Rick Tunnicliffe wrote:
>
> In article <5t6htq$q0...@hkusud.hku.hk>, Paul McGregor's Microphone Stand
> <NOJUNKj...@NOJUNKhotmail.com> writes
> >In article <33F66A...@geocities.com>, soft...@geocities.com wrote:
> >>I'm searching for the worst lyric(s).
> >>
>
>
> Don't love me for fun, girl
> Let me be the one, girl
> Love me for a reason
> Let the reason be love.
>
> It makes me squirm just typing them in.
This is actually an old Osmonds song, and is not their worst ever lyric.
Try "Long Haired Lover From Liverpool", or "Morrning Side Of the
Mountain".
My candidate.
"Butterfly Kisses" by Bob Carlisle,
Keith
Doctor Badass
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On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, Paul McGregor's Microphone Stand wrote:
> In article <33F66A...@geocities.com>, soft...@geocities.com wrote:
> >I'm searching for the worst lyric(s).
> >
Justin
On Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:04:42 -0700, Neil Sarver
<soft...@geocities.com> would get beat up by Jackie Chan for talkin
like so:
>I'm searching for the worst lyric(s).
"Riot Naked" by Clit 45.
The song consists of a simble bass line, plinking guitar and the
words:
'Riot naked'
sung in the most idiotic voice over and over.
Justin
!!!KILL WHITEY!!!
Daniel W. Pyun
I didn't listen tot he song with that much concentration,(cause it
sucks). Meaning aside, it still sucks and has crappy lyrics. Can't
really explain it, it just hits me as REALLY shitty.
dan
Daniel W. Pyun
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds wrote:
>
> In article <33F9A3...@69.37>, 4...@69.37 wrote:
>
> >how about that song that's starts
> >" I hate the world around me"
> >is that bitch(meredith brooks)?
>
> Actually, it starts 'I hate the world today', but you're close.
>
> >anyway both songs blow goat. the lyrocs are pretty pathetic. she
> >sounds like she's trying to be angst filled and cynical but jsut sounds
> >like she is trying to much and not writing about her feelings. if
> >you're not pissed and angst filled, don't write about that shit. write
> >happy shit. you'll probably make a better song.
>
> Now, I'm not a huge fan of the song, but that's not what she's writing
> about at all. Listen to the lyrics carefully. She's basically saying she
> admires her boyfriend for putting up with her moods. According to
> Meredith, she meant it as an 'embracing of all aspects of personality,
> even the bad ones'. Whether it resulted in a good song, well, I won't pass
> judgement, but she isn't trying to be angsty on it.
>
> Lulu
>
> --
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> 1. Exist.
> 2. Observe
> 3. Contemplate steps 1 and 2.
> 4. Continue to exist.
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/6151
they were SO bad. Also,I'm not trying to be a philosopher. There was a
thread asking for what people thought what was the worst lyric. I
answered. The song is bad though from whatever standpoint you take.
You may like it, that's cool, just means your taste in music is probably
not that great.
dan
Roger Barrett
Must be Spandau Ballet
"she used to be a diplomat
but now she's down the Laundromat"
As anyone got anything worse ?
The Dre151 <thed...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970818200...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> Beep Beep, who's got the keys to the jeep? VRRRROOOMMMMM!
>
> oh i just hate the lyrics to that Missy Elliot song. 8Ž
>
amanda elizabeth riley
let's see:
"My ding-a-ling...i want you to play with my ding-a-ling"
olivia newton john: "let's get physical, physical. i wanna get
physical..let me hear your body talk.." i don't know what she's
thinking but i don't think i want to hear someone's body talk and i
don't think that's possible anyway.
THE SMITHS: "Girlfiend in a coma, i know i know, it's serious..."
no really? if someone's in a coma it's definitely serious.
THE NORMAL: "WARM LEATHERETTE"...this song came before the saturday
night live skit "sprockets" so if any of you are thinking that the idea
was truly original...guess again
LIONEL RICHIE: 'Oh what a feeling...when were dancing on the
ceiling"...how does one dance on a ceiling?
OASIS: "Wonderwall"...what the hell is a wonderwall and how can a
person be one?
MORE TO COME....
In <5thvp9$p...@news.cei.net> gero...@fs.cei.net (Tom Geronimo) writes:
>
> Thats a tough one to nail down since there are so many tunes to
>select from. How about "Rio" from Duran Duran. Hell! How about
>any song by Duran Duran?
>
> Might want to toss in any Go-Go's piece as well.
damine francis frost
how about
there is this australian tv personality called melissa, she released an
album or something and one of the songs (i forget the title ) had the
lyric "ïf you wanna wait till later, hands off my detonator" think about
this one...it puzzles and confuses the more you do.. whilst i think this
is not the worst lyric of all time it would defintaly get a looking in
to as one of the contenders.
cheers
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jaded_fuk (SPICE GIRLS)
tigg...@ix.netcom.com(amanda elizabeth riley ) really meant to say
something about the Spice Girls but instead said this...:
Ordinarily I'd agree with most of what you said, but you seem to have
some trouble with humor and irony.
:let's see:
:"My ding-a-ling...i want you to play with my ding-a-ling"
It's supposed to be funny.
:
:olivia newton john: "let's get physical, physical. i wanna get
:physical..let me hear your body talk.." i don't know what she's
:thinking but i don't think i want to hear someone's body talk and i
:don't think that's possible anyway.
:
Um, well, yes, this one is sort of dumb.
:THE SMITHS: "Girlfiend in a coma, i know i know, it's serious..."
:no really? if someone's in a coma it's definitely serious.
:
Um, well, yes, out of context of the rest of the song, which is
supposed to be cynical and humorous, these lyrics are dumb but in
context they are rather clever.
:THE NORMAL: "WARM LEATHERETTE"...this song came before the saturday
:night live skit "sprockets" so if any of you are thinking that the idea
:was truly original...guess again
:
And if you think that Daniel Miller - aka the Normal, was original you
don't know much about european electonic music. He was inspired by
Kraftwerk, CAN, Neu and tons of others who came before him. Sprockets
was making more fun of Kraftwerk than of Daniel Miller.
:LIONEL RICHIE: 'Oh what a feeling...when were dancing on the
:ceiling"...how does one dance on a ceiling?
:
As much as I loathe Lionel Richie I do understand the sentiment in
this song. It's an expression of over the top joy. A metaphor, if
you will, for overwhelming happiness.
:OASIS: "Wonderwall"...what the hell is a wonderwall and how can a
:person be one?
:
Far be it from me to buck up Oasis. They suck.
Kevin Chan
amanda elizabeth riley wrote:
>
>
> OASIS: "Wonderwall"...what the hell is a wonderwall and how can a
> person be one?
>
regardless of whatever a "wonderwall" is, the song still doesnt qualify
as one of containing the worst lyrics of all time. I mean, its a rather
simple song about how someone is gonna be the one in their life...The
one that makes everything change for the better. "cos maybe you're gonna
be the one that saves me"...Its sorta a love song, y'know...I mean,
"I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you know" and
"There are many things that I would like to say to you, but I don't know
how" is rather love-ish and expressing the singer's need for(presumably)
his girlfriend or whatever...
btw, I think Bis is alright, but lyrically speaking, isnt Kandy Pop
rather horrible ? "sugar sugar kandy pop, just don't let the music stop"
kevin chan
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/6273/index.html
np: nothing
Geir Hongro
tigg...@ix.netcom.com(amanda elizabeth riley ) wrote:
>OASIS: "Wonderwall"...what the hell is a wonderwall and how can a
>person be one?
I would say this is an example of the one GOOD thing about Oasis
lyrics. You can search for days and days to search for Beatles
references in those otherwise dumb lyrics, and that "Wonderwall"
thing (Originally a Harrison soundtrack album released in 1967)
definitely is one of those numerous Beatles references.
--
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Geir Hongro
>>select from. How about "Rio" from Duran Duran. Hell! How about
>>any song by Duran Duran?
>
>are dreadful now.
Duran Duran are underrated, but talking about lyrics, as we do
here, just take a look at the lyrics to "Planet Earth".
Look down, look all around.
Can you hear me now?
Voices - not a sound. Can you hear me now?
This is Planet Earth.
You're docking at Planet Earth.
Pa pa pa pa pa pa pa pa
Calling Planet Earth.
Intelligent, eh?
>At any rate, nothing Duran Duran have done is equal in
>sheer crap level to this:
>Someone's knocking at the door
>Somebody's ringing the bell
>Someone's knocking at the door
>Somebody's ringing the bell
>Do me a favour?
>Open the door...
>...And let 'em in
>Oooh yeah
For all of McCartneys melodic brilliance (IMO he's the best
songwriter ever) that lyric is truly laughable, yes :-)
brad
On 23 Aug 1997 23:10:29 GMT, Geir Hongro <gho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I would say this is an example of the one GOOD thing about Oasis
>lyrics. You can search for days and days to search for Beatles
>references in those otherwise dumb lyrics,
Well, yes you can. But would you really fuckin want to?
I think not.
brad
15 days.
The new beauty school dropout page is at-
http://www.bradbsd.demon.co.uk/school.html
And it's still crap.
Geir Hongro
texstorm@*nospam*pacbell.net (jaded_fuk (SPICE GIRLS)) wrote:
>:"My ding-a-ling...i want you to play with my ding-a-ling"
>
>It's supposed to be funny.
Supposed, yes, but it is not.
Geir Hongro
How about "How Much Is That Doggie In The Window?"?
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
In article <5tnqua$6lu$1...@news1.sol.no>, Geir Hongro <gho...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>bitch...@removethis.geocities.com (Lucy in the Sky with
>Diamonds) wrote:
>>My god, are you mad? Rio-period Duran Duran are brilliant...too bad they
>>are dreadful now.
>Duran Duran are underrated, but talking about lyrics, as we do
>here, just take a look at the lyrics to "Planet Earth".
>Look down, look all around.
>Can you hear me now?
>Voices - not a sound. Can you hear me now?
>This is Planet Earth.
>You're docking at Planet Earth.
>Pa pa pa pa pa pa pa pa
>Calling Planet Earth.
>Intelligent, eh?
I've heard far worse. Like, for instance, most anything Dodgy has ever written.
>>At any rate, nothing Duran Duran have done is equal in
>>sheer crap level to this:
>>Someone's knocking at the door
>>Somebody's ringing the bell
>>Someone's knocking at the door
>>Somebody's ringing the bell
>>Do me a favour?
>>Open the door...
>>...And let 'em in
>>Oooh yeah
>For all of McCartneys melodic brilliance (IMO he's the best
>songwriter ever) that lyric is truly laughable, yes :-)
My god, *Paul McCartney* is the best songwriter ever? Then you haven't
heard Martha My Dear? My Love? Say Say Say? He's a wanker; the talent in
the Beatles was John Lennon, who not only did nice work with the Beatles,
but also had a very good solo career. I mean, come on, melody isn't the
*only* thing in songwriting (and melodic 'brilliance' is off topic in this
thread at any rate, as you pointed out above, with Duran Duran). Paul just
went to nursery rhymes once he was solo, and when they went into the
period of the Beatles where they were no longer helping each other, he
didn't often get much better than nursery rhymes (obviously, there are a
few exceptions, like some of his work on Abbey Road). *shrugs* Paul's
easily as overrated as the Stone Roses, I think.
People like to get on Oasis's back for 'lyrical simplicity', but if you
want to see damn near lyrical mental retardation, just look at Paul's solo
work. Easily the creator of the worst lyrics of all time, far worse than
anything out today (some of his songs make Wannabe look lyrically
ingenious). For instance:
Wo wo wo wo wo
Wo wo wo wo wo
My love does it GOOD
Etc.
Or:
The butter wouldn't melt
So they put it in the pie
Hands across the water (water)
Hands (or is it heads, which makes even less sense) across the sky
I like what Dave Barry said about Sir Paul: 'The man was in the BEATLES,
yet this is what he does in his solo career? Did aliens suck out his
brain? Is this Pod Person Paul?' As far as I'm concerned, the man only had
two actually good songs in his entire solo career, which were Mull of
Kintyre and Band on the Run. The rest of it is rubbish, stuff you listen
to in the same way you listen to the Village People: to have a good laugh.
Cheers,
Lulu, who ain't too keen on Band on the Run either.
damine francis frost
Geir Hongro wrote:
>
> alt.music.mariah-carey and alt.music.punk removed.
>
> This thread DOES belong in the rest of the groups.
pffft. and has anyone taken the time to listen to many punk sonkgs and
mariah carey lyrics ????? haahaaahaaa they can be just as funny as the
rest of them !! :)
Tom Ewing
On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:50:18 -0700,
>In article <33F9A3...@69.37>, 4...@69.37 wrote:
>
>>how about that song that's starts
>>" I hate the world around me"
>>is that bitch(meredith brooks)?
>
>Actually, it starts 'I hate the world today', but you're close.
>
>>anyway both songs blow goat. the lyrocs are pretty pathetic. she
>>sounds like she's trying to be angst filled and cynical but jsut sounds
>>like she is trying to much and not writing about her feelings. if
>>you're not pissed and angst filled, don't write about that shit. write
>>happy shit. you'll probably make a better song.
>
>Now, I'm not a huge fan of the song, but that's not what she's writing
>about at all. Listen to the lyrics carefully. She's basically saying she
>admires her boyfriend for putting up with her moods. According to
>Meredith, she meant it as an 'embracing of all aspects of personality,
>even the bad ones'. Whether it resulted in a good song, well, I won't pass
>judgement, but she isn't trying to be angsty on it.
Yes, but this is the thing about writing songs with double meanings or
which are meant ironically. The meaning the author intends to subvert
*is still there*, authorial intention be damned. It's like, yes we all
know that 'Born In The USA' has 'subversive' lyrics and that Bruce
didn't mean it to be a big nationalistic anthem, but it is one for all
of that.
Tom.
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Eric J
Heather wrote:
>
> Neil Sarver wrote:
> >
> > I'm searching for the worst lyric(s).
> >
> > --
> > Neil
>
> I'd hafta say "rappers delight" by the sugar hill gang.
> --
> -Heather
You MUST include "The Psychedelic Furs" self-titled album from 1980.
Count the usage of the words "stupid, useless, etc." for yourself.
Love 'em or hate 'em, that kind of sums up the songwriting.
Eric J.
DC Rude
dougal mckinnon wrote:
>
> Tom Ewing wrote:
>
> > >I'm searching for the worst lyric(s).
> >
> >
>
> Or the entire Queen back catalogue.
"I love to ride my bicycle I love to ride my bike, I love to ride my
bicycle I ride it where I like"
Queen can pull off some pathetic lyrics...
Andy
Nate Patrin
Joe McGlinchey <jb...@columbia.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.SUN.3.95L.97082...@ahnnyong.cc.columbia.edu>...
> Other personal choices:
>
> - "I'm so glad, I'm so glad, I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad"
> -CREAM, "I'm so Glad"
To be honest, that's just the chorus (albeit a stupid one). The rest of the
song, if a bit mumbly and hard to decipher, isn't that bad. (Not genius,
but not in the ranks with Alanis Morrisomethingorother.) I mean, by
extension you could slag lyrics like "No fun, my babe, no fun" or "kill
kill kill kill kill the poor" but in my opinion the entirety of those
songs' lyrics (by the Stooges and the Dead Kennedys, respectively) are
reasonably good. Otherwise, your choices are pretty damned dead on. Greg
Lake is the Antichrist.
-Nate "And Greg Lake is an anarchist...?" Patrin
DC Rude
>
> come on, that lemonheads line is great. gives a nice visual doesn't it?
> damn funny too.
Isn't this what happens when alt.punk gets cross-posted to
alt.music.alternative?
Andy
DC Rude
I'm prepared to award the latter Clash songs
("The Following is a poublic suhvice announcement! With Guitah!") Doood!
Rawk n' Roll!
Andy
(Or maybe the whole build-up to the Bullshit Initiative (The song not
the album) by Positive state. Actually that's just plain annoying.
Andy (once again)
Steve Diguer
Excellent entries but the retired champion of bad lyrics is Neil Diamond,
with:
I am I said
To no one there
And no one heard at all
Not even the chair
I dare anyone to find worse than that.
-Steve
Geir Hongro
DC Rude <acus...@erols.com> wrote:
>"I love to ride my bicycle I love to ride my bike, I love to ride >my bicycle I ride it where I like"
>Queen can pull off some pathetic lyrics...
:-)
How about "We Are The Champions"? :-)
Gondola Bob
Geir Hongro <gho...@hotmail.com> pontificated:
> Lennon's solo career? Now that's an overrated thing. I agree John
> did some great work with the Beatles (Although only before 1968),
> but after that the only decent songs he wrote were "Imagine",
> "Woman" and "Watching The Wheels". The rest is untalented 50s
> inspired rock, sounding as if though the Beatles had never
> existed.
What horsesh*t. The first Plastic Ono Band record is regarded as a bona
fide classic by anyone with a "decent" head on his shoulders. I'd take it
over almost any Beatles record myself (even given my unabashed
Beatlemania), and it's without doubt my favorite album of the '70s. (Here's
a lesson for you, Geir...note how I said it's MY FAVORITE album of the
'70s, instead of saying it's THE BEST album of the '70s. Such restraint
would do you a world of good.) In any case, your statement that all but
three of Lennon's solo songs are "sub-decent" and "untalented '50s inspired
rock" is yet another example of that laughably hyperbolic, overreductive
bombast that makes you such a laughingstock.
And what's wrong with '50s music, anyway? Simple, catchy melodies...fluff
girl-boy lyrics...that should be right up your alley. I suppose your real
problem here is that '50s music was an American-driven phenomenon, and we
all know how prejudiced you are against American sounds, no matter HOW
contradictive/hypocritical that shaky stance makes you appear.
And...are you really saying that Lennon did nothing worthwhile in the
Beatles after Sgt. Pepper/Magical Mystery Tour? Surely, even a rock-hating,
lyric-ignoring prig like yourself must've found some melodic beauty in,
say, "Across The Universe," "Julia," "Dear Prudence," "Sexy Sadie," "Good
Night," "Cry Baby Cry" or "Because." But there's really no point in
illustrating the inconsistencies of your bigoted opinions. You post
something stupid, someone else reduces your argument to dust and you just
shrug and move onto your next shallow broadside. It's a never-ending chase,
I suppose.
>>Paul's not overrated, as neither are Stone Roses.
I never did hear a song by the Stone Roses that I wanted to hear twice.
That whole cult eludes me entirely.
>>I mean, come on, melody >isn't the *only* thing in songwriting
>
> Maybe not the only, but together with use of chords and harmony
> melody means virtually everything that matters.
In your own (rather unusual) opinion....
> LYRICS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MUSICAL QUALITY!!!
> Lyrics is literature. Music is music. As long as the melody is
> good the song is also automatically good.
In your own (rather unusual) opinion....
> All of "Tug Of War" is great though - by far the best solo album by a Beatle.
In your own (rather unusual) opinion....
Eb
Matt B Parisi
In <340497...@csu.edu.au> RJ <rju...@csu.edu.au> writes:
>
>As much as I like Sade, "Pearls" from Love Deluxe has one of the most
>appalling lines ever, where's she singing about "a woman in Somalia
>scraping for pearls by the roadside" (I hope that's right) and goes on
>to, ahem, memorably croon,
>
>"She lives a life she didn't choose,
>And it hurts like brand new shoes."
>
>What an utterly pathetic comparison.
>Well, at least it rhymes I guess ;)
>
>Rob
I really like the album (Fragile), and the song as well, but Yes'
"Roundabout" has one of the dumbest, stoned-out-stupid lines I've ever
heard:
"In and around the lake
Mountains come out of the sky,
They stand there."
They stand there?
Matt P
Persi's Dead
Ah, you've heard nothing, until you've heard this gem from Aphex Twin:
'Give me some milk from the milkman's wife's tits, in the morning'
from 'Milkman'
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Autechre - Cichlisuite EP (Nice slice of electronic madness from the
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Luke Vibert - Big Soup (Vibert's Masterpiece! This is the big one!)
Matmos - Matmos (Tailor-made for fans of Autechre/Skam/Schematics/Mego)
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Mouse On Mars - Autodictacker (I really hope these guys collaborate w/
Autechre)
Ben
L>>>He's <Paul> a wanker; the talent in
L>>>the Beatles was John Lennon, who not only did nice work with the
L>>>Beatles, but also had a very good solo career.
G>>
G>>Lennon's solo career? Now that's an overrated thing. I agree John
G>>did some great work with the Beatles (Although only before 1968),
C'mon Geir! His best stuff came out of 68's White Album sessions!
Songs such as 'Sexy Sadie', 'Cry Baby Cry', 'Happiness is a Warm Gun',
'Dear Prudence', 'Revolution', 'Everybody's got something to hide...', &
'I'm So Tired', as well as my fave solo Lennon song 'Jealous Guy', which
was also written in '68 in India, are amongst his - & musics - greatest
moments ever.
Along with 'Rain' & 'I Am the Walrus' these songs are all his best, IMO.
G>>but after that the only decent songs he wrote were "Imagine",
G>>"Woman" and "Watching The Wheels". The rest is untalented 50s
G>>inspired rock, sounding as if though the Beatles had never
G>>existed.
Well he didn't care at the time if they did or not (although he said
later he went too far in making a point of this), but songs like
'Mother', 'God', 'Dear Yoko', 'Instant Karma', 'Give Me Some Truth',
'Mind Games', 'Happy xmas' etc. etc. are all generally considered to be
better than the rather overly soppy (IMO) 'Woman'.
-BEN
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Lulu Spice
In article <34048b20...@nntp.netcruiser>, eb...@netcomuk.co.uk wrote:
>On 26 Aug 1997 21:14:57 GMT, Geir Hongro <gho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Nothing wrong with "Martha My Dear". And if you are to point out
>>terrible examples of his solo work there are certainly worse
>>things than "My Love" and "Say Say Say". "You Gave Me No Answer"
>>was lousy, but McCartney has always written the greatest ballads
>>in the world.
>I'd take hundreds of ballad writers over McCartney, who had a knack
>for penning standards, but whose songs rarely touch me. Brian Wilson
>and Smokey Robinson, to name two of his contemporaries, were way
>better.
My opinion exactly. McCartney is easily the most overrated balladeer of
this century, hands down. His idea of a ballad is to put some cheesy
lyrics ('Wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo, my lurrve does it *good*', etc)
over 'emotional' music, and it's all a bit of a mess. I reckon that the
only McCartney songs I truly like are Mull of Kintyre (and I don't know
why I like that one, cos it's no good at all) and Maybe I'm Amazed. Most
of his work with the Beatles is overrated, too. Smokey Robinson is
great...there are just so many ballads and love songs out there that blow
every last thing that McCartney has *ever* done away. Incidentally, I
can't be the only one who sees a very major mistake in that first sentence
of Geir's...
>That said, "You Gave Me The Answer" isn't so bad. I've certainly no
>problem with McCartney returning to the 20s tin pan alley / show tune
>stuff that his parents liked - I think it's quite endearing, in fact,
>and anything that broadens his palette past the soft rock/pop styles
>he'd lapsed into by that point was to be welcomed.
Hey, I agree with you here too. Except for the insufferable Martha My
Dear. But, for instance, I reckon one of his best songs with the Beatles
was When I'm 64. It's not much cop, but that's the point. It's fun. As
opposed to his horrible, slumberous ballads that make 2 Become 1 look the
model of subtlety.
>Not quite. But Lennon's solo career is a really uneven thing, true -
>the primal scream album may have been daring at the time (though way
>less so than Yoko's counterpart, as I think I've said elsewhere) but
>it's a lot of work now. "Imagine" has either been played to death or
>was a stiff all along, and the rest of that album is variable - the
>odd stunning song ('Jealous Guy') and a fair amount that hasn't aged
>well for me. And 'Double Fantasy' I find pretty wretched, despite
>Yoko's closer involvement.
I really liked Double Fantasy; most of it was just silly pop songs,
similar to the stuff Paul had tried to produce, but it was a much better
excuse for silly pop. As for Imagine, I think that the album itself is
stunning, but you're entirely right on the overplaying of Imagine
(remember on the tenth anniversary of his death? Every radio station in
the world at the time played that song, all at once, I think). And I like
some of his other solo albums better than that one. But I will note that,
though I deleted it, I marked Lennon's solo career as being 'much better
than Paul's' -- and as far as I'm concerned, a manatee making weird little
sounds under the ocean is better than things like 'Silly Love Songs' and
'Hi Hi Hi'.
>"Walking On Thin Ice", incidentally, beats anything either man
>recorded solo hands down.
Wow -- someone else who can talk about Yoko without mentioning the words
'untalented' and 'bitch'. She's a very interesting artist; I reckon she's
very underrated.
>>What the fuck is wrong with nursery rhymes? Nursery rhymes are
>>some of the most wonderful melodic songs ever written.
Right. I will reply to Geir's entry, in full, as soon as I get the full
message on my server, but I will reply to THIS right now: There is a whole
helluva lot more to music than melody, and, in fact, I reckon that if Paul
McCartney knew that you were basing your estimation of his music on the
melody alone, and that 'lyrics don't matter', he would be highly offended,
though possibly too polite to say it.
>>>(obviously, there are a
>>>few exceptions, like some of his work on Abbey Road). *shrugs* >Paul's
easily >>>as overrated as the Stone Roses, I think.
>Incidentally, I'm glad someone else thinks the Roses are overrated.
Wow! There we go again...a Yoko fan and a 'Roses aren't THAT good' type.
Amazing. As I said recently on alt.music.oasis, to some wanker who
insinuated that the Roses 'invented' that style of music (I've not worked
out quite what 'that style' is), the Stone Roses are quite possibly the
most overrated band of the past ten years. And I am including Spice Girls
as a band in this estimation. I've never heard such adoration for a band
that had a grand total of one decent album, and even that was highly
spotty. And only one of them has done anything worthwhile since, and even
then, I don't think Primal Scream would've sucked otherwise. So what is
the big deal?
>>LYRICS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MUSICAL QUALITY!!!
>>Lyrics is literature. Music is music. As long as the melody is
>>good the song is also automatically good.
>Oh Geir, this is such bullshit. The two work together, that's partly
>the reason why most people even *listen* to songs. You obviously don't
>listen to very much soul music (or music with soul), where the lyrics
>are for me inseparable from the melody - the power of expression lies
>in both of them.
>Your arguments would baffle, for example, Paddy MacAloon, who doesn't
>adore Cole Porter, say, just because of his melodies.
They would also baffle, for instance, Sir Paul, who is just as much a
lyrics writer as he is a melody writer (such as they are).
Cheers,
Lulu
Lulu Spice
In article <gon*dola-ya02408000R...@news2.deltanet.com>,
gon*do...@deltanet.com (Gondola Bob) wrote:
>Geir Hongro <gho...@hotmail.com> pontificated:
>> Lennon's solo career? Now that's an overrated thing. I agree John
>> did some great work with the Beatles (Although only before 1968),
>> but after that the only decent songs he wrote were "Imagine",
>> "Woman" and "Watching The Wheels". The rest is untalented 50s
>> inspired rock, sounding as if though the Beatles had never
>> existed.
>What horsesh*t. The first Plastic Ono Band record is regarded as a bona
>fide classic by anyone with a "decent" head on his shoulders. I'd take it
>over almost any Beatles record myself (even given my unabashed
>Beatlemania), and it's without doubt my favorite album of the '70s. (Here's
>a lesson for you, Geir...note how I said it's MY FAVORITE album of the
>'70s, instead of saying it's THE BEST album of the '70s. Such restraint
>would do you a world of good.) In any case, your statement that all but
>three of Lennon's solo songs are "sub-decent" and "untalented '50s inspired
>rock" is yet another example of that laughably hyperbolic, overreductive
>bombast that makes you such a laughingstock.
Though I disagree with your favourite/best line there (yes, it does seem
less pretentious in some cases to say 'favourite' instead of 'best', but
it means the same thing. All opinion, obviously), the rest of this is,
whilst being rather impolite, a very true statement. The Plastic Ono Band
is a classic album, as are many of his solo works. I mean, 'Woman' is one
of the worst songs he did in his solo career as far as I'm concerned. And
that Chrimble song he did beats any of Paul's Christmas 'tunes'.
>And what's wrong with '50s music, anyway? Simple, catchy melodies...fluff
>girl-boy lyrics...that should be right up your alley. I suppose your real
>problem here is that '50s music was an American-driven phenomenon, and we
>all know how prejudiced you are against American sounds, no matter HOW
>contradictive/hypocritical that shaky stance makes you appear.
Right. Though I will say that not all 50s music was like that: some of it
was rather hard, but still, by today's standards it is rather smooth and
melodic and charming. I'd like Geir to find us a band that *isn't*
influenced, even second hand, by 50s music.
>And...are you really saying that Lennon did nothing worthwhile in the
>Beatles after Sgt. Pepper/Magical Mystery Tour? Surely, even a rock-hating,
>lyric-ignoring prig like yourself must've found some melodic beauty in,
>say, "Across The Universe," "Julia," "Dear Prudence," "Sexy Sadie," "Good
>Night," "Cry Baby Cry" or "Because."
Good Night isn't that much of a song, but still, the rest are rather
brilliant, particularly Julia. Let's look at some more post-MMT Lennon.
There's I'm So Tired, which is easily one of the very best songs on the
White Album, Revolution, which is one of the most classic rock tunes of
all time, Come Together, which is the same thing as Rev in classic status,
Polythene Pam, which is great. And pre-MMT, Lennon was STILL the best
writer; putting Macca to shame.
>>>Paul's not overrated, as neither are Stone Roses.
>I never did hear a song by the Stone Roses that I wanted to hear twice.
>That whole cult eludes me entirely.
I wouldn't go so far myself as saying I've not heard a Roses song that I
didn't want to hear again (I Wanna Be Adored and I Am the Resurrection are
good tunes), but out of...erm, let's estimate a hundred songs (I don't
really know how many they have, because I sold off all singles and albums
but 'Complete Stone Roses' on basis of being shite), there are probably
only ten that were actually anything good. Fool's Gold is easily one of
the most confusing singles in recent history: it's utter rubbish, yet it's
got some sort of cult that regards it as the second coming (hur hur hur)
of Christ or summit. Boggles me beyond belief. I mean, I kept getting
their stuff because my friends insisted they were the greatest thing ever,
and I really tried to hear what they heard, but it's just...not there. I
reckon this reverence to the Roses is based almost entirely on the fact
that the press says one should worship the Stone Roses if one chooses to
listen to British guitar music.
Geir Hongro
eb...@netcomuk.co.uk (Tom Ewing) wrote:
>I'd take hundreds of ballad writers over McCartney, who had a >knack
>for penning standards, but whose songs rarely touch me. Brian >Wilson
>and Smokey Robinson, to name two of his contemporaries, were way
>better.
You have just named two of the greatest songwriters ever, but none
of them (well, maybe Wilson) could possibly compete with McCartney
at his best.
>This surprises me, Geir. I know John could be sweet now and then, >but
>what he's celebrated for mostly is his grainy, gritty singing. Or >is
>roughness in the voice a god thing, and in the production not? >And if so, why?
I DO like John Lennon as a singer. While there is nothing wrong
with a rough voice (Marvin Gaye was great!) the main reason why I
like Lennon is he was the man who introduced that typically
British nasal vocal style. Lennon has inspired a lot of my
favourite singers, like Alan Clarke and Liam Gallagher.
>Your arguments would baffle, for example, Paddy MacAloon, who >doesn't adore Cole Porter, say, just because of his melodies.
Probably would, as McAloon definitely writes some good lyrics (I
especially love the words to "The Sound Of Crying". Still if his
lyrics were shit we would still have been one of the greatest
songwriters ever.
Geir Hongro
Ben <bark...@cygnusx.uwax.edux.au> wrote:
>L>>>He's <Paul> a wanker; the talent in
>L>>>the Beatles was John Lennon, who not only did nice work with the
>L>>>Beatles, but also had a very good solo career.
>G>>
>G>>Lennon's solo career? Now that's an overrated thing. I agree John
>G>>did some great work with the Beatles (Although only before 1968),
>
>C'mon Geir! His best stuff came out of 68's White Album sessions!
>Songs such as 'Sexy Sadie', 'Cry Baby Cry', 'Happiness is a Warm Gun',
>'Dear Prudence', 'Revolution', 'Everybody's got something to hide...', &
>'I'm So Tired', as well as my fave solo Lennon song 'Jealous Guy', which
>was also written in '68 in India, are amongst his - & musics - greatest
>moments ever.
I have the impression that you like those songs because they
aren't overplayed.
In fact all of Lennon/McCartneys greatest songs are heavily
overplayed. I still think that "Yesterday" is a marvellous song,
but that's doesn't mean I would be happy to hear it less.
Lennon's best songs IMO were, apart from the ones he wrote with
Paul in the early days, "I Should Have Known Better", "Help!", "If
I Fell", "Girl", "In My Life", "I'm Only Sleeping", "Strawberry
Fields Forever" and "I Am The Walrus".
Geir Hongro
gon*do...@deltanet.com (Gondola Bob) wrote:
>And what's wrong with '50s music, anyway? Simple, catchy >melodies...fluff
>girl-boy lyrics...that should be right up your alley. I suppose >your real
>problem here is that '50s music was an American-driven >phenomenon, and we
>all know how prejudiced you are against American sounds, no >matter HOW
>contradictive/hypocritical that shaky stance makes you appear.
The main problem about 50s music was the 12 most overused bars in
music history. Enough was indeed enough even BEFORE World War 2
when it comes to 12 Bar Blues. What's the point in using the SAME
chord progression over and over.
And, in most cases, 3 chords are FAR to few anyway. Good melodies
MUST be HARMONICALLY ADVANCED and MUSICALLY SKILLED!
As for girl/boy lyrics they tire me. I simply don't care about
lyrics, which does in NO way mean I wish people would make more
love lyrics.
>And...are you really saying that Lennon did nothing worthwhile in >the
>Beatles after Sgt. Pepper/Magical Mystery Tour? Surely, even a >rock-hating,
>lyric-ignoring prig like yourself must've found some melodic >beauty in,
>say, "Across The Universe," "Julia," "Dear Prudence," "Sexy >Sadie," "Good Night," "Cry Baby Cry" or "Because."
There WERE some exceptions (Yes, I DO like "Across The Universe"
and "Because" a lot!), but generally he sank a lot in quality in
the late 60s. There's nothing about songs like "Come Together",
"The Ballad Of John And Yoko" or "Revolution" that couldn't have
been made by an American band before 1963.
And even George Harrison has had a MUCH better solo career than
Lennon had anyway. Lennon had only one good period (which was
eventually EXTREMELY good!): 1963-67. Period.
Geir Hongro
bitch...@removethis.geocities.com (Lulu Spice) wrote:
>I'd like Geir to find us a band that *isn't*
>influenced, even second hand, by 50s music.
Although they were initially VERY 50s inspired I would say that
there's not much on "Pet Sounds" by Beach Boys that can be said to
be inspired by 50s rock. In fact Tin Pan Alley was a lot closer to
their 1966-67 music than 50s rock.
Lulu Spice
In article <3405A0...@cygnusx.uwax.edux.au>, Ben
<bark...@cygnusx.uwax.edux.au> wrote:
>L>>>He's <Paul> a wanker; the talent in
>L>>>the Beatles was John Lennon, who not only did nice work with the
>L>>>Beatles, but also had a very good solo career.
>G>>Lennon's solo career? Now that's an overrated thing. I agree John
>G>>did some great work with the Beatles (Although only before 1968),
>C'mon Geir! His best stuff came out of 68's White Album sessions!
>Songs such as 'Sexy Sadie', 'Cry Baby Cry', 'Happiness is a Warm Gun',
>'Dear Prudence', 'Revolution', 'Everybody's got something to hide...', &
>'I'm So Tired', as well as my fave solo Lennon song 'Jealous Guy', which
>was also written in '68 in India, are amongst his - & musics - greatest
>moments ever.
>Along with 'Rain' & 'I Am the Walrus' these songs are all his best, IMO.
Exactly. And, if we are allowed to digress into pre-68 works, John still
outshone Paul 100 times over. Let's look at the Beatles' most dated and
overrated piece, 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band', since I'm sure
everyone would know this stuff: Paul writes 'When I'm 64'. John writes
most of 'A Day in the Life', and was the one who came up with the idea of
seguing his and Paul's songs in the first place, working with all the
arrangements thereforth. Most of the Beatles' very best songs were written
by John. He was incredibly forward-thinking and had a much harder edge
than Sir Paul.
NB: I actually like the song 'When I'm 64'. I like it because it is just
so crap.
>G>>but after that the only decent songs he wrote were "Imagine",
>G>>"Woman" and "Watching The Wheels". The rest is untalented 50s
>G>>inspired rock, sounding as if though the Beatles had never
>G>>existed.
>Well he didn't care at the time if they did or not (although he said
>later he went too far in making a point of this), but songs like
>'Mother', 'God', 'Dear Yoko', 'Instant Karma', 'Give Me Some Truth',
>'Mind Games', 'Happy xmas' etc. etc. are all generally considered to be
>better than the rather overly soppy (IMO) 'Woman'.
I'm so glad someone else mentioned 'Gimme Some Truth'. Brilliant
song...'Woman' bores me and seems like something that Paul would've
written. I always skip that track. And what about stuff like 'Whatever
Gets You Through the Night'? That seems like something that would be right
up Geir's street.
Joe McGlinchey
On 27 Aug 1997, Nate Patrin wrote:
> > Other personal choices:
> > - "I'm so glad, I'm so glad, I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad"
> > -CREAM, "I'm so Glad"
>
> To be honest, that's just the chorus (albeit a stupid one). The rest of the
> song, if a bit mumbly and hard to decipher, isn't that bad. (Not genius,
That chorus, however, comprises about 80% of the song. And the verses are
equally silly: "I don't know what to do, don't know what to do, don't know
what to do", etc. Actually, though, I really like the song anyway just
because it does have that goofy charm to it.
Joe McGlinchey
Teachers College
Columbia University
BrowningTX
Geir Hongro wrote:
(snip a whole loada' shit just so I can post this)
> LYRICS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MUSICAL QUALITY!!!
Anythign else has nothing to do with this thread! Which is way too
cross-posted anyways.
Matt B Parisi
In <Pine.SUN.3.95L.97082...@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu>
Joe McGlinchey <jb...@columbia.edu> writes:
>On 28 Aug 1997, Matt B Parisi wrote:
>
>> "Roundabout" has one of the dumbest, stoned-out-stupid lines I've
ever
>> heard:
>> "In and around the lake
>> Mountains come out of the sky,
>> They stand there."
>>
>> They stand there?
>
ain't
>even near their best lyrics, but I can think of dozens of worse lyrics
>than that. The phrase isn't meant to be "stoned-out-stupid". It's
just a
>pictoral description, really. Interpretation could go like
>this: apparently, there's a lake and really large, static mountains
around
>it, that seem to "stand" there. That sort of thing. Trivia: the lake
in
>question (i.e. that inspired the song) is Loch Ness. The song is
about
>journeying around Loch Ness, eager to return home.
>
>If you want really *dumb* Yes lyrics, look no further:
>
>"Oh I could not take it oh so seriously really, when you called and
said
>you'd seen a U.F.O."
> -"Arriving U.F.O."
>"He paid the bills, and stopped the milk, then put on his hat"
> -"Harold Land"
>"Here is my soul, I eat at Chez Nous"
> -"Love Will Find a Way"
>"Don't Kill the Whale! Dig It!!"
> -"Don't Kill the Whale"
>"Hold me, Machine Messiah, show me the strength of your singular eye"
> -"Machine Messiah"
>
>Makes "Roundabout" look like Byron! :)
>
>Joe McGlinchey
>Teachers College
>Columbia University
>
Thanks for the correction. I haven't listened to Don't Kill the Whale
in a coon's age, and -- you are right -- it is much worse than "they
stand there."
And that "machine messiah" line -- I don't ever remember hearing it
(what album was that one on?) but it sounds pretty awful.
Such is always the problem with the art/prog rock groups -- when they
were on they were great -- but when they were off... look out.
Matt P
Matt B Parisi
>
>eb...@netcomuk.co.uk (Tom Ewing) wrote:
>
>>I'd take hundreds of ballad writers over McCartney, who had a >knack
>>for penning standards, but whose songs rarely touch me. Brian >Wilson
>>and Smokey Robinson, to name two of his contemporaries, were way
>>better.
>
>You have just named two of the greatest songwriters ever, but none
>of them (well, maybe Wilson) could possibly compete with McCartney
>at his best.
>
>>This surprises me, Geir. I know John could be sweet now and then,
>but
>>what he's celebrated for mostly is his grainy, gritty singing. Or >is
>>roughness in the voice a god thing, and in the production not? >And
if so, why?
>
>I DO like John Lennon as a singer. While there is nothing wrong
>with a rough voice (Marvin Gaye was great!)
Marvin Gaye with a rough voice????
He is widely regarded as having amongst the smoothest, most mellow
voices in the entirely of soul music. Otis Redding sounds like
scraping fingernails across a blackboard compared to Marvin Gaye!
the main reason why I
>like Lennon is he was the man who introduced that typically
>British nasal vocal style.
If true, that's the bane of his existence. The impenetrablely accented
nasal whine of Billy Bragg was the one thing that kept me from ever
enjoying his albums.
And it was one several things that kept me from ever enjoying Cure and
Depeche Mode albums.
IMO, Lennon's greatest gift was his ability to interpret R&B and blues
music styles. Only a handful of British singers have ever gotten to
his level in this regard.
Matt P
Matt B Parisi
In <5u525n$173$1...@news1.sol.no> Geir Hongro <gho...@hotmail.com>
writes:
>And even George Harrison has had a MUCH better solo career than
>Lennon had anyway.
???!!!
Matt P
Matt B Parisi
In <Pine.SUN.3.95L.97082...@ahnnyong.cc.columbia.edu>
Joe McGlinchey <jb...@columbia.edu> writes:
>
>On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, dougal mckinnon wrote:
>
>> Geir Hongro wrote:
>>
>> > >"I love to ride my bicycle I love to ride my bike, I love to ride
>my bicycle I ride it where I like"
>> > >Queen can pull off some pathetic lyrics...
>> > :-)
>> > How about "We Are The Champions"? :-)
>>
>
>No way! Both great lyrics! God, doesn't anyone have a sense of humor
>anymore?
>
>Joe McGlinchey
>Teachers College
>Columbia University
Sure they do! Like the Ramones: "Beat on the Brat/Beat on the Brat,
Beat on the Brat with a baseball bat/OH YEAH"
It's OK to be stupid if you know that you are being stupid.
Matt P
Gondola Bob
bitch...@geocities.com wrote:
> >And...are you really saying that Lennon did nothing worthwhile in the
> >Beatles after Sgt. Pepper/Magical Mystery Tour? Surely, even a rock-hating,
> >lyric-ignoring prig like yourself must've found some melodic beauty in,
> >say, "Across The Universe," "Julia," "Dear Prudence," "Sexy Sadie," "Good
> >Night," "Cry Baby Cry" or "Because."
>
> Good Night isn't that much of a song, but still, the rest are rather
> brilliant, particularly Julia. Let's look at some more post-MMT Lennon.
> There's I'm So Tired, which is easily one of the very best songs on the
> White Album, Revolution, which is one of the most classic rock tunes of
> all time, Come Together, which is the same thing as Rev in classic status,
> Polythene Pam, which is great.
I think you kinda missed my point. I wasn't naming post-MMT Lennon songs
that *I* necessarily think are great, only ones which fit Geir's ruthlessly
narrow criteria for good music (ie melody, melody, melody...lyrics,
whatever....anything that rocks is bad). "I'm So Tired," "Revolution" and
"Come Together" are all great songs, but they all have a strong base in the
blues, and Geir writes off anything in that area (see earlier comments
about "untalented '50s inspired rock").
Eb
Gondola Bob
> The main problem about 50s music was the 12 most overused bars in
> music history. Enough was indeed enough even BEFORE World War 2
> when it comes to 12 Bar Blues. What's the point in using the SAME
> chord progression over and over.
>
> And, in most cases, 3 chords are FAR to few anyway. Good melodies
> MUST be HARMONICALLY ADVANCED and MUSICALLY SKILLED!
>
> As for girl/boy lyrics they tire me. I simply don't care about
> lyrics, which does in NO way mean I wish people would make more
> love lyrics.
>
> There WERE some exceptions (Yes, I DO like "Across The Universe"
> and "Because" a lot!), but generally he sank a lot in quality in
> the late 60s. There's nothing about songs like "Come Together",
> "The Ballad Of John And Yoko" or "Revolution" that couldn't have
> been made by an American band before 1963.
>
> And even George Harrison has had a MUCH better solo career than
> Lennon had anyway. Lennon had only one good period (which was
> eventually EXTREMELY good!): 1963-67. Period.
Another one to file under "Why Argue With This Fool, Anyway?"
Eb
Lulu Spice
In article <340701...@cygnusx.uwax.xedux.au>, Ben
<bark...@cygnusx.uwax.xedux.au> wrote:
>Lulu Spice wrote:
>>I wrote:
>>>G>>but after that the only decent songs he wrote were "Imagine",
>>>G>>"Woman" and "Watching The Wheels". The rest is untalented 50s
>>>G>>inspired rock, sounding as if though the Beatles had never
>>>G>>existed.
>>>Well he didn't care at the time if they did or not (although he said
>>>later he went too far in making a point of this), but songs like
>>>'Mother', 'God', 'Dear Yoko',
>I actually meant "Oh Yoko" here, not "DY". Although "DY" is quite
>upbeat for that album & one of the better ones.
Oh, good. I'm not entirely keen on DY myself...
>>>'Instant Karma', 'Give Me Some Truth',
>>>'Mind Games', 'Happy xmas' etc. etc. are all generally considered to
>>>be better than the rather overly soppy (IMO) 'Woman'.
>>I'm so glad someone else mentioned 'Gimme Some Truth'. Brilliant
>>song...
>I reckon the whole of that side 2 of the "Imagine" album is brilliant.
>Side one is patchy, "I" & "JG" are classics, but one or 2 of the others
>are a bit slow... Side 2 is great though! (I esp. dig the guitar in
>"GMST".)
Hey, I agree with you 100%. Have you ever heard Ash's version of GST?
Fucking terrible.
>Geir would probably love 'The John Lennon Collection', just great song
>after great song (although Double Fantasy if a bit over represented), &
>great melody after great melody. :)
I wonder if Geir has actully heard many of John's solo works. And I reckon
that version of Stand By Me on JLC is brilliant.
Ben
Geir Hongro wrote:
>Ben <bark...@cygnusx.uwax.edux.au> wrote:
>>C'mon Geir! His best stuff came out of 68's White Album sessions!
>>Songs such as 'Sexy Sadie', 'Cry Baby Cry', 'Happiness is a Warm Gun',
>>'Dear Prudence', 'Revolution', 'Everybody's got something to hide...',
>>& 'I'm So Tired', as well as my fave solo Lennon song 'Jealous Guy',
>>which was also written in '68 in India, are amongst his - & musics -
>>greatest moments ever.
>
>aren't overplayed.
>
>In fact all of Lennon/McCartneys greatest songs are heavily
>overplayed.
So they are or they aren't overplayed? None of John's soley album
material is not played at all. The only Lennon songs overplayed IMO
would be 'Help', 'A Hard Days Night', 'IWTHYH', 'She Loves You', & maybe
'Day tripper' (although that's pushing it). You virtually never hear
any of the songs you mentioned below (apart from 'Help') or I
mentioned above on radio, which is quite unfortunate. Of course, when
radio has the option of playing 'Revolution' & 'I Am The Walrus' or
'Yesterday' & 'Let It Be', they will always choose the latter two...
it's less offensive to grannies, y'see. :)
Like John said in his last Playboy interview, there's a whole heap of
material to choose from, but radio only plays the same 10 songs. It's a
pity that songs like 'Sexy Sadie' & 'Dear Prudence' are unheard of to
the vast majority of people simply because they aren't singles.
>Lennon's best songs IMO were, apart from the ones he wrote with
>Paul in the early days, "I Should Have Known Better", "Help!", "If
>I Fell", "Girl", "In My Life", "I'm Only Sleeping", "Strawberry
>Fields Forever" and "I Am The Walrus".
Well you have good taste in *this* regard ('ISHKB' is a *classic* early
song for John), but how can you possibly write off the songs I listed??
BEN
Ben
Lulu Spice wrote:
>I wrote:
>>G>>but after that the only decent songs he wrote were "Imagine",
>>G>>"Woman" and "Watching The Wheels". The rest is untalented 50s
>>G>>inspired rock, sounding as if though the Beatles had never
>>G>>existed.
>>Well he didn't care at the time if they did or not (although he said
>>later he went too far in making a point of this), but songs like
>>'Mother', 'God', 'Dear Yoko',
I actually meant "Oh Yoko" here, not "DY". Although "DY" is quite
upbeat for that album & one of the better ones.
>>'Instant Karma', 'Give Me Some Truth',
>>'Mind Games', 'Happy xmas' etc. etc. are all generally considered to
>>be better than the rather overly soppy (IMO) 'Woman'.
>
>I'm so glad someone else mentioned 'Gimme Some Truth'. Brilliant
>song...
I reckon the whole of that side 2 of the "Imagine" album is brilliant.
Side one is patchy, "I" & "JG" are classics, but one or 2 of the others
are a bit slow... Side 2 is great though! (I esp. dig the guitar in
"GMST".)
>And what about stuff like 'Whatever Gets You Through the Night'? That
>seems like something that would be right up Geir's street.
Geir would probably love 'The John Lennon Collection', just great song
after great song (although Double Fantasy if a bit over represented), &
great melody after great melody. :)
BEN
"I'm sick & tired of hearing things"
Ace Shot w/ a Sardine
Just for the record, that new nauseating Forest For the Trees
single has one of the most trite and insipid choruses I've heard in a
while. "When I'm dreaming I'm not sure if I'm dreaming or if I'm awake;
when I'm awake I'm not sure if I'm awake or if I'm still dreaming." Or
something similar. Bleah.
_____
"Who threw the fish? Who threw the fish?" GEORGE TABB
... spice girls ...
Delete NOSPAM to e-mail me.
Ben
Lulu Spice wrote:
>
>Ben <bark...@cygnusx.uwax.xedux.au> wrote:
>>I reckon the whole of that side 2 of the "Imagine" album is brilliant.
>>Side one is patchy, "I" & "JG" are classics, but one or 2 of the
>>others are a bit slow... Side 2 is great though! (I esp. dig the
>>guitar in "GMST".)
>
>Fucking terrible.
Ash is *not* the band I'd picture covering this. I had no idea they
did it either until I just read this then. I'm trying to imagine it
though.. that voice & those guitars trying to play this song... ewww...
I'd rather not. :)
BEN
Lulu Spice
>bitch...@geocities.com wrote:
>> >And...are you really saying that Lennon did nothing worthwhile in the
>> >Beatles after Sgt. Pepper/Magical Mystery Tour? Surely, even a rock-hating,
>> >lyric-ignoring prig like yourself must've found some melodic beauty in,
>> >say, "Across The Universe," "Julia," "Dear Prudence," "Sexy Sadie," "Good
>> >Night," "Cry Baby Cry" or "Because."
>> Good Night isn't that much of a song, but still, the rest are rather
>> brilliant, particularly Julia. Let's look at some more post-MMT Lennon.
>> There's I'm So Tired, which is easily one of the very best songs on the
>> White Album, Revolution, which is one of the most classic rock tunes of
>> all time, Come Together, which is the same thing as Rev in classic status,
>> Polythene Pam, which is great.
>I think you kinda missed my point. I wasn't naming post-MMT Lennon songs
>that *I* necessarily think are great, only ones which fit Geir's ruthlessly
>narrow criteria for good music (ie melody, melody, melody...lyrics,
>whatever....anything that rocks is bad). "I'm So Tired," "Revolution" and
>"Come Together" are all great songs, but they all have a strong base in the
>blues, and Geir writes off anything in that area (see earlier comments
>about "untalented '50s inspired rock").
No, I know, I think that perhaps I didn't state my point quite clearly. I
was just pointing out classic Lennon tunes that at least 75% of normal
music lovers would admit are far, far better than, say, Martha My Dear,
which is quite possibly one of the worst songs of the 60s. I know which
ones Geir wouldn't be keen on; my point was kinda to see what *he* would
say about some of the best songs the Beatles ever even dreamt of doing.
Lulu Spice
In article <3408EB...@cygnusx.uwax.xedux.au>, Ben
<bark...@cygnusx.uwax.xedux.au> wrote:
It's a b-side to Angel Interceptor. If you'd like to be horrified
sometime, pick this up.
Lulu Spice
>There WERE some exceptions (Yes, I DO like "Across The Universe"
>and "Because" a lot!), but generally he sank a lot in quality in
>the late 60s. There's nothing about songs like "Come Together",
>"The Ballad Of John And Yoko" or "Revolution" that couldn't have
>been made by an American band before 1963.
Which just proves you have either not listened to these songs, or you know
nothing about music.
>And even George Harrison has had a MUCH better solo career than
>Lennon had anyway. Lennon had only one good period (which was
>eventually EXTREMELY good!): 1963-67. Period.
Excuse me? George Harrison? Right, excuse me whilst I go be ashamed of
even being a remote part of this discussion.
Geir Hongro
Ben <bark...@cygnusx.uwax.xedux.au> wrote:
>Oasis should cover 'Rain', Liam would do a great job of that too. >(I can always dream... :)
Hey! I always thought about the same thing.
Joe McGlinchey
On 1 Sep 1997, Timothy J Young wrote:
> You people are discussing bad Yes lyrics and no one's mentioned "Yours Is
> No Disgrace" yet?
> Where do I begin?
> "Battleships confide in me and tell me where you are
> Smiling, flying purple wolfhounds show me where you are"
>
> I wish this one was an instrumental. I really do.
Tim,
The main inspiration for the song was the Vietnam war. The basic message
of the song was to the soldiers out there fighting, that even though they
had to kill, be killed, subject to experiencing all sorts of
war-time atrocities, that this wasn't their fault; that theirs "was no
disgrace"...In light of the reception that Vietnam soldiers received from
the American counterculture of that period (one of scorn and basic
rejection), the basic framework of the lyrics make for a very socially
(if you'll forgive the pun) progressive and implicitly humanistic song.
The beauty of these "dumb" lyrics is that:
a) they are trying to express
feelings about what was then a rising, serious event in a novel way, with,
IMO, rather wonderful lines ("lost in losing circumstances, that's just
where you are...", "if the summer [life and all that we celebrate] changed
to winter [death and war] yours is no disgrace", "on a sailing ship to
nowhere [the jungles of Vietnam] leaving anyplace [the soldiers who fought
the war- all walks of life, ending up in the same tragic situation]").
Have we become such a concrete-minded , spell-it-out-for-me-I'm-stupid
bunch of listeners that nothing short of "And it's one..two..three..what
are we fighting for? Don't ask me I don't give a damn..." will do when it
comes to expressing something?
b) you can ignore a), if you choose . The song doesn't *have* to be about
that exclusively. Maybe it's a statement about war in general, and the
"silly human race". It can be about anything you want to read into it.
Thus the insertion of words that sound good ("shining flying purple
wolfhounds") might not fit. Or they might. Or maybe the lyrics are all
just words that seem to go together with the music very well, but don't
mean anything. Just like "Lithium" (a more popular song with rather
obscure, seemingly "dumb" sounding lyrics) might be about depression, a
dysfunctional relationship, maybe even a psychotic who thinks he's George
Bush. Maybe all of the above at once. It's up to you. That's what
imagination is, and that's what good song can often do.
Timothy J Young
You people are discussing bad Yes lyrics and no one's mentioned "Yours Is
No Disgrace" yet?
Where do I begin?
"Battleships confide in me and tell me where you are
Smiling, flying purple wolfhounds show me where you are"
I wish this one was an instrumental. I really do.
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Matt B Parisi
In <3409DAC5...@cam.ac.uk> James Scott <je...@cam.ac.uk> writes:
>Lulu Spice wrote:
>
>> >And even George Harrison has had a MUCH better solo career than
>> >Lennon had anyway. Lennon had only one good period (which was
>> >eventually EXTREMELY good!): 1963-67. Period.
>>
>> Excuse me? George Harrison? Right, excuse me whilst I go be ashamed
of
>> even being a remote part of this discussion.
>>
>
>(non-attributed publicly, but the evidence is there)
>Vince
Yes, and he very indirectly inspired one of the greatest albums of all
time (Derek and the Dominos' "Layla") but the middling quality of his
solo albums speaks for themselves.
Matt P
Geir Hongro
ltri...@ix.netcom.com(Matt B Parisi) wrote:
>Yes, and he very indirectly inspired one of the greatest albums >of all
>time (Derek and the Dominos' "Layla") but the middling quality of >his solo albums speaks for themselves.
IMO his last one ("Cloud Nine") was indeed one of the best solo
albums ever released by an ex-Beatle
Persi's Dead
In article <5ugein$ngj$2...@news1.sol.no>, gho...@hotmail.com says...
>
>ltri...@ix.netcom.com(Matt B Parisi) wrote:
>
>>Yes, and he very indirectly inspired one of the greatest albums >of all
>>time (Derek and the Dominos' "Layla") but the middling quality of >his solo
albums speaks for themselves.
>
>IMO his last one ("Cloud Nine") was indeed one of the best solo
>albums ever released by an ex-Beatle
That's a frightening opinion, Geir.
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Tom Ewing
On 28 Aug 1997 06:59:07 GMT, cow...@ix.netcom.com (Persi's Dead)
wrote:
>
>Ah, you've heard nothing, until you've heard this gem from Aphex Twin:
>
>'Give me some milk from the milkman's wife's tits, in the morning'
>
>from 'Milkman'
No no no, Persinthia, that's a masterpiece, and you're misquoting it!
What of course happens in that song is that Aphex sings "I wish the
milkman would deliver my milk, in the morning", in a little kid's
voice so you think he's sampling some Milk Marketing Board advert from
the 70s. *Then* he delivers the poetic masterstroke - "I would like
some milk from the milkman's wife's tits." British crude sexual humour
at its finest, methinks.
Tom.
"Is he tall?" "Well, I gotta look up!"
Tom Ewing
On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 01:25:42 -0800, gon*do...@deltanet.com (Gondola
Bob) wrote:
>Pet Sounds is HEAVILY HEAVILY HEAVILY inspired by '50s girl-group pop and
>Phil Spector.
Now, my chronology may be shaky, but I'm sure that the girl-group era
was c.60-64, and that Spector's career kicked off around 1960 too.
Please correct me if I'm wrong - it's all an area I'm consuming avidly
but I'm no way expert on - but while those influences are pre-Beatles
(the same thing as 50s music in Geir's addled brain), they aren't 50s
music any more than Duran Duran is a 70s band.
Good on the Beach Boys for being influenced by them, though.
Tom Ewing
On 28 Aug 1997 22:33:46 GMT, Geir Hongro <gho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>eb...@netcomuk.co.uk (Tom Ewing) wrote:
>
>>I'd take hundreds of ballad writers over McCartney, who had a >knack
>>for penning standards, but whose songs rarely touch me. Brian >Wilson
>>and Smokey Robinson, to name two of his contemporaries, were way
>>better.
>
>You have just named two of the greatest songwriters ever, but none
>of them (well, maybe Wilson) could possibly compete with McCartney
>at his best.
Can! Can't! Can! Can't! There, that's saved a bit of bandwidth. Why do
you think McCartney is better, incidentally?
Lulu Spice
In article <340c1bdf...@nntp.netcruiser>, eb...@netcomuk.co.uk wrote:
>On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 02:26:50 -0700,
>bitch...@removethis.geocities.com (Lulu Spice) wrote:
[Paul McCartney]
>I get the impression he's been writing songs for the last twenty-five
>or so years mostly for his own amusement, not because he thinks
>they're actually very good. Not that there's anything wrong with that
>particularly, it just doesnt make for very thrilling, or very
>anything, listening.
No, he's obviously just doing it because he can, but it annoys me that he
doesn't just keep such rubbish for himself and Linda. I don't fault him
for doing what he likes. I more fault the irrational worship of Sir Paul,
when it's obvious he's given up on actual writing himself.
>Agreed. While I always get annoyed with people who go "oh god, i like
>alternative music because the lyrics aren't all that love shit, man",
>there does need to be an interesting angle, or metaphor, or wordplay,
>or just some evidence of incredibly strong feeling to make the love
>song affecting. McCartney's always crafted 'good' love songs, but
>there's nothing there which has ever remotely moved me in any way.
Yeah. The description I like: they're 'good' for junior prom dance theme
songs, but wank for anything else (courtesy my friend Sophie). I love love
songs, but I just can't find it in my heart to love contrived rubbish like
'My Love'. That's not a love song, that is a see-how-much-cash-we-can-get
song.
>>Hey, I agree with you here too. Except for the insufferable Martha My
>>Dear. But, for instance, I reckon one of his best songs with the Beatles
>>was When I'm 64. It's not much cop, but that's the point. It's fun. As
>>opposed to his horrible, slumberous ballads that make 2 Become 1 look the
>>model of subtlety.
>Would you be thinking of 'Hey Jude' here, perhaps?
Actually, I wasn't in specific, but now that you mention it, fucking hell!
How did that song become classic? I mean, it amounts to two bits:
brilliant, quiet two-minute song that is this short of beautiful, and an
eight-minute chanting of utter nonsense. I bet some of those people are
still doing the na-na-na-hey-jude bit. It wasn't even made interesting by
building upon melody, or chord changes or ANYTHING.
>Of course, when Lennon died the radio programmers would have
>immediately reached for the most sentimental songs the man had
>written, which inevitably does his ouevre a huge disservice.
Exactly. I mean, who wants to hear Woman when you could hear Instant Karma?
>I thought
>even then - and still do - that Roxy Music's reading of 'Jealous Guy'
>was magnificent.
This is because Roxy Music are brilliant. Actually, this is a point: I've
very rarely heard a GOOD cover of a Lennon song, both Beatles and
post-Beatles.
>Manatees are friendly and gregarious creatures, rather like Sir Paul.
Yes, but loveable as they may be, they're no damned good at songwriting.
At least, I don't think manatees songwrite. They might, I suppose.
>I used to love Smash Hits when they were constantly on at his 'Fab
>Macca Wacky Thumbs Aloft' image. That would have been the 'No More
>Lonely Nights' era, in case you were looking for more ammunition.
Please, don't give me more. I'm seething at life, you don't want me to
vent my anger upon friendly albeit completely lyrically talentless Sir
Paul ;)
>>Wow -- someone else who can talk about Yoko without mentioning the words
>>'untalented' and 'bitch'. She's a very interesting artist; I reckon she's
>>very underrated.
>Oh, incredibly. I think as an artist she's underrated too - certainly
>she's more interesting than most of the hot BritArt conceptualists
>we're expected to like these days.
You know what especially annoys me? Some Bjork fans once ripped Yoko on a
BBS. I mean, Christ Almighty, Bjork fans...that was rich. Yoko is a bit
bizarre, and has been around for ages, totally a 'forefather' (so to
speak) of some of this conceptual music out there. I love her to bits.
>>Right. I will reply to Geir's entry, in full, as soon as I get the full
>>message on my server, but I will reply to THIS right now: There is a whole
>>helluva lot more to music than melody, and, in fact, I reckon that if Paul
>>McCartney knew that you were basing your estimation of his music on the
>>melody alone, and that 'lyrics don't matter', he would be highly offended,
>>though possibly too polite to say it.
>I think he'd be secretly relieved, too :)
Yeah -- 'Pfew, at least someone won't take this piss outta me lyrics.
Linda, where's my MBE, I'm going to look at it again. Oh, are those
Teletubbies on again? Brilliant. I think I'm going to write a song based
on their dialogue'.
>All the Roses 'invented' was the idea of British indie pop actually
>getting in the charts, as far as I can tell. I loved the album to bits
>for six months then never played it again, so I can't say I dislike
>them, but to revise history to make them the saviours of British pop
>sticks in my craw.
I agree. They were a second rate band. They had their moments on the first
album, but that was that.
>The Roses are also one of those bands whose music is malleable enough
>to be claimed for whatever 'youth revolution' needs their spurious
>patronage. In 90/91 they were always hailed as the first indie-dance
>band, despite their complete lack of groove before 'Fool's Gold'.
Ironic that Fool's Gold was such an awful song, then. Though you're right.
Indie-dance trailblazers, my arse.
Speaking of such a thing, I saw an interesting cd today that was some sort
of rock-techno thing, with some high profile artists in both techno and
indie rock collaborating with one another. Which makes me wonder why in
the hell today, in the store, was the first I had heard about it. I didn't
buy it, cos it was dead expensive, but I do wonder if it's any good.
(Americans: it most definately wasn't the Spawn soundy, so don't post
that)
>Now of course they were aparently Oasis before Oasis were. Whatever.
That's always brilliant. I mean, tossing aside the fact that they sound
virtually nothing alike...*ponders* I think that Oasis bashers in general
should all decide on what band Oasis is ripping off, because conflicting
insistances are funny and do little but prove the idea that Oasis don't
sound specifically like anyone, save for a little Manc band called Oasis.
>Mondays were consid'rably better on both counts, I submit. (Do you
>remember the initial publicity for Oasis - they're the new Mondays!
>How bitterly I laugh now.)
I never did understand that one either. Oasis sound like the Mondays like
Kula Shaker sound like Marilyn Manson.
>>. So what is
>>the big deal?
>To be fair, 'Mersey Paradise' is a blinding pop song.
Well, to be fair, so are Made of Stone and I am the Resurrection. I just
don't think a handful of good songs warrants such insane praise.
Speaking of 'insane praise', pick up the copy of Time with Lady Di on it.
They have an article in the music section about 'good' British music (as
opposed to Spice Girls, from what I could gather) -- and proceed to rave
about Bjork, who is most definitely not a Brit. That floored me, don't
they check these things?
>On topic...lots of praise elsewhere for the Manics' lyrics. Can I just
>remind people of Simon Price's excellent observation that the lines
>about "When I was young P.C. meant Police Constable / Nowadays I can't
>seem to tell the difference" are incredibly bad.
I always loved the bits saying words like 'axeminster' or something
similar to that. And the lyrics to Revol are appauling. And the song about
anorexia (I can't for the life of me recall the exact numbers in the title
through this medication :( ) is horribly contrived and out of touch. The
Manics have had more than their share of terrifically bad lyrical moments,
but they've also had genius enough times to hide the really bad things.
Cheers,
Lulu
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Lulu Spice
In article <340c2519...@nntp.netcruiser>, eb...@netcomuk.co.uk wrote:
>On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 02:07:29 -0700,
>bitch...@removethis.geocities.com (Lulu Spice) wrote:
>>Whilst you've made a valiant attempt, my dear lad, you have forgotten
>>McArthur Park in your estimation of worst lyric, ever.
>>Someone left the cake out in the rain
>>And it took so long to bake it
>>And I don't think I can take it
>>Cos I'll never have the recipe again
>>Again!
>>Oh no!
>>It's like, for christ's sake, get a different cake then.
>Don't go telling everyone, Lulu, but I think it's a bit of a metaphor
>thing, hmm?
That's as may be, but it's still the worst fucking metaphor I've ever had
the misfortune of hearing. Bloody cakes in the rain. I just can't abide by
the train of thought that this is a metaphor for anything, because it is
so BAD.
Tom Ewing
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 02:26:50 -0700,
bitch...@removethis.geocities.com (Lulu Spice) wrote:
>My opinion exactly. McCartney is easily the most overrated balladeer of
>this century, hands down. His idea of a ballad is to put some cheesy
>lyrics ('Wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo, my lurrve does it *good*', etc)
>over 'emotional' music, and it's all a bit of a mess. I reckon that the
>only McCartney songs I truly like are Mull of Kintyre (and I don't know
>why I like that one, cos it's no good at all) and Maybe I'm Amazed.
I get the impression he's been writing songs for the last twenty-five
or so years mostly for his own amusement, not because he thinks
they're actually very good. Not that there's anything wrong with that
particularly, it just doesnt make for very thrilling, or very
anything, listening.
> Most
>of his work with the Beatles is overrated, too. Smokey Robinson is
>great...there are just so many ballads and love songs out there that blow
>every last thing that McCartney has *ever* done away.
Agreed. While I always get annoyed with people who go "oh god, i like
alternative music because the lyrics aren't all that love shit, man",
there does need to be an interesting angle, or metaphor, or wordplay,
or just some evidence of incredibly strong feeling to make the love
song affecting. McCartney's always crafted 'good' love songs, but
there's nothing there which has ever remotely moved me in any way.
>Hey, I agree with you here too. Except for the insufferable Martha My
>Dear. But, for instance, I reckon one of his best songs with the Beatles
>was When I'm 64. It's not much cop, but that's the point. It's fun. As
>opposed to his horrible, slumberous ballads that make 2 Become 1 look the
>model of subtlety.
Would you be thinking of 'Hey Jude' here, perhaps?
>I really liked Double Fantasy; most of it was just silly pop songs,
>similar to the stuff Paul had tried to produce, but it was a much better
>excuse for silly pop. As for Imagine, I think that the album itself is
>stunning, but you're entirely right on the overplaying of Imagine
>(remember on the tenth anniversary of his death? Every radio station in
>the world at the time played that song, all at once, I think).
Of course, when Lennon died the radio programmers would have
immediately reached for the most sentimental songs the man had
written, which inevitably does his ouevre a huge disservice. I
remember - kind of - the actual death, in that I'd just got keen on
Top Of The Pops and suddenly there were all these boring ballads on
instead of Aneka doing 'Japanese Boy' (or whatever). Though I thought
even then - and still do - that Roxy Music's reading of 'Jealous Guy'
was magnificent.
> And I like
>some of his other solo albums better than that one. But I will note that,
>though I deleted it, I marked Lennon's solo career as being 'much better
>than Paul's' -- and as far as I'm concerned, a manatee making weird little
>sounds under the ocean is better than things like 'Silly Love Songs' and
>'Hi Hi Hi'.
Manatees are friendly and gregarious creatures, rather like Sir Paul.
I used to love Smash Hits when they were constantly on at his 'Fab
Macca Wacky Thumbs Aloft' image. That would have been the 'No More
Lonely Nights' era, in case you were looking for more ammunition.
>>"Walking On Thin Ice", incidentally, beats anything either man
>>recorded solo hands down.
>
>Wow -- someone else who can talk about Yoko without mentioning the words
>'untalented' and 'bitch'. She's a very interesting artist; I reckon she's
>very underrated.
Oh, incredibly. I think as an artist she's underrated too - certainly
she's more interesting than most of the hot BritArt conceptualists
we're expected to like these days. I'm looking for more of her stuff -
I found 'Walking On Thin Ice', with its realy touching liner notes,
for 10p on vinyl, and taped her 'Plastic Ono Band' album recently too
- also remarkable stuff.
>Right. I will reply to Geir's entry, in full, as soon as I get the full
>message on my server, but I will reply to THIS right now: There is a whole
>helluva lot more to music than melody, and, in fact, I reckon that if Paul
>McCartney knew that you were basing your estimation of his music on the
>melody alone, and that 'lyrics don't matter', he would be highly offended,
>though possibly too polite to say it.
I think he'd be secretly relieved, too :)
>Wow! There we go again...a Yoko fan and a 'Roses aren't THAT good' type.
>Amazing. As I said recently on alt.music.oasis, to some wanker who
>insinuated that the Roses 'invented' that style of music (I've not worked
>out quite what 'that style' is), the Stone Roses are quite possibly the
>most overrated band of the past ten years.
All the Roses 'invented' was the idea of British indie pop actually
getting in the charts, as far as I can tell. I loved the album to bits
for six months then never played it again, so I can't say I dislike
them, but to revise history to make them the saviours of British pop
sticks in my craw.
At the time, tellingly, the NME album reviewer was distinctly lukewarm
('Quite nice. Sounds like the Byrds. So what?' is a fair summary).
The Roses are also one of those bands whose music is malleable enough
to be claimed for whatever 'youth revolution' needs their spurious
patronage. In 90/91 they were always hailed as the first indie-dance
band, despite their complete lack of groove before 'Fool's Gold'. Now
of course they were aparently Oasis before Oasis were. Whatever. The
Mondays were consid'rably better on both counts, I submit. (Do you
remember the initial publicity for Oasis - they're the new Mondays!
How bitterly I laugh now.)
>. So what is
>the big deal?
To be fair, 'Mersey Paradise' is a blinding pop song.
On topic...lots of praise elsewhere for the Manics' lyrics. Can I just
remind people of Simon Price's excellent observation that the lines
about "When I was young P.C. meant Police Constable / Nowadays I can't
seem to tell the difference" are incredibly bad.
Tom.
Tom Ewing
>Whilst you've made a valiant attempt, my dear lad, you have forgotten
>McArthur Park in your estimation of worst lyric, ever.
>
>Someone left the cake out in the rain
>And it took so long to bake it
>And I don't think I can take it
>Cos I'll never have the recipe again
>Again!
>Oh no!
>
>It's like, for christ's sake, get a different cake then.
Don't go telling everyone, Lulu, but I think it's a bit of a metaphor
thing, hmm?
Tom.
Andrew Gilmour
On Tue, 02 Sep 1997 21:35:15 -0700,
bitch...@removethis.geocities.com (Lulu Spice) wrote:
<snip>
>>I thought
>>even then - and still do - that Roxy Music's reading of 'Jealous Guy'
>>was magnificent.
>
>This is because Roxy Music are brilliant. Actually, this is a point: I've
>very rarely heard a GOOD cover of a Lennon song, both Beatles and
>post-Beatles.
>
Try Siouxsie & The Banshees "Dear Prudence" or The Breeders "Happiness
Is A Warm Gun" for starters.
Andrew
"Since I was born I started to decay" - Placebo