Veruca Salt Discography v1.0
Linda Wheeler
V E R U C A S A L T
Discography
v1.0
This Discography is a collaborative work of all Veruca Salt fans who have
contributed, and is maintained by Phil Dale (7523...@compuserve.com).
Any contributions (editorials, corrections, additions, articles) can be
sent to this address. Special thanks to all on Usenet who have helped to
put this together.
Table Of Contents:
Introduction
Section 1: LPs
Section 2: Promotional materials
Section 3: Singles, EPs
Section 4: Bootlegs
Section 5: Television Appearences
Section 6: Magazine Articles
Section 7: Information we need
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Introduction:
Although their releases have been few and hard-to-find, the band Veruca
Salt has definately broken through to the mainstream. This discography is
small now, but I hope that we will find other Veruca releases to add.
Please, everyone, keep your eyes out for things which are not listed!!!
If you are interested in obtaining copies of anything listed here (besides
'American Thighs'), You should check out Goldmine Magazine (for music
collectors). There are also many music locating firms that will find
things for you, however, these placees generally charge an unreal fee.
If you really want something, try posting to rec.music.marketplace,
alt.music.bootlegs, or searching the ads in Goldmine (the last of which
requires patience, a magnifying glass, and a willingness to deal with the
"Collector Scum" who will milk you like a car salesman).
"American Thighs" is now available everywhere on CD. It was, at one time,
a 12" vinyl ONLY, until the media machine started cranking out reports and
Veruca Salt was signed to a major label. Note that the only "good" thing that
arose from this is that Minty Fresh records of Chicago (veruca's original
label) is now making quite a profit from "American Thighs". Veruca's new
label is in the process of buying the entire Veruca Salt catalog from Minty
Fresh, as they're bed-wetting control freaks with little else to do.
Section 1: LPs
(Please note that the term LP does *not* denote a media. LP is the term used
for a full-length recording, be that recording on Vinyl or Compact Disc.)
- American Thighs
Spring 1994, Minty Fresh Records, Chicago, IL
Released in all three formats. Original 12" vinyls are indistinguishable
from later pressings. However, the CDs that are currently being pressed
have yellow-ish backgrounds, and red-ish graphic, while the older ones
have pale pink backgrounds with off-white graphic. The newer CD covers
are also glossy, while the older ones were textured (actually,
the really old ones are cheap color photocopies). The pictures are more
distinct in the newer pressings.
Catalog #: MF-7
Tracks: Get Back / All Hail Me / Seether / Spiderman '79 / Forsythia /
Wolf / Celebrate you / Fly / Number one blind / Victrola /
Twinstar / 25 / Sleeping where I want
Section 2: Promotional Materials
- Promo for the song "Seether". Contains only one track (Seether), and
is not for sale. It is available on 5" CD and 7" Vinyl. Geffen
did not put a catalog # on this, as far as I can tell.
Section 3: Singles, EPs
- "Seether c/w All Hail Me". Released as a CD single in a strange, fold-
out case. Cover has the words "VERUCA SALT" typed all over. Imported
from England. Manufactured by Scared Hitless Ltd. in London, licensed
from Minty Fresh. Distributed By Vital. Catalog #: FRET 003CDS. Contains
Seether (album version) / All Hail Me (non-album version) / Stacey Please
(non-album track which was written by a 6 year old). I believe this is
currently out-of-print. Geffen has plans to release their own
"Seether" single.
- "Seether/Straight/She's A Brain" (a.k.a. "Number One Nine"). Released
as a CD single in a standard Maxi-Single cardboard case. Orginally,
this was released as a 7" vinyl with the same "Evil Sailor 9" design
on the cover. Both formats are currently out of print. Imported from
England, licensed to Hi-Rise Recordings by Minty Fresh. Distributed by
Hi-Rise. Catalog #: FLATSDG 12. Contains: Seether (LP-version) /
Straight (a non-LP track) / She's A Brain (another non-LP track).
This is probably off shelves, but if you find it, grab it.
Section 4: Bootlegs:
Although not many commercial boots exist yet, I'm sure they're on the way.
There's only 1 bootleg listed here, but if anyone finds more, please
alert me to where.
- "The VPRO radio Sessions". These are approx. 40 minutes, and are a
radio recording VS played. They are currently circulating dubs.
Section 5: Television Appearences
- "MTV News" Veruca Salt appeared on MTV news during the New Music
Seminar. They talked about their success, songwriting style, and
future plans. During the piece on Veruca, MTV played clips of the
live performance taped During the seminar. This recording is also
circulating, but not enough is known at this time. They played
a song with the lyrics "I'll be the first to kill you, and If you
don't die, I will." This song has not been released, to my understanding,
so a copy of this show would definately be a plus.
Section 6: Magazine Articles
- Entertainment Weekly (Date?)
- Rolling Stone (Date?)
- Spin (Date?)
Section 7: Information We Need:
- More Veruca Bootleg Information
- Information about the upcoming Geffen "Seether" single.
- Information about Magazine Articles and Television Appearences
- The name or lyrics to the unreleased song mentioned above.
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Thom Bone
<7523...@CompuServe.COM> writes:
> V E R U C A S A L T
> Discography
> v1.0
>Introduction:
>
>Although their releases have been few and hard-to-find, the band Veruca
>Salt has definately broken through to the mainstream.
There is an old Hollywood joke about a certain female named "Angeline"-- PROOF
that anybody with MONEY can get famous.
You know, my dear... all this should tell you something: THIS BAND IS COMPLETELY
MANUFACTURED BY GEFFIN RECORDS.
They paid absolutely NO indie dues whatsoever and haven't put out a SINGLE
RELEASE other than their major label (Yes: Minty Fresh is a MAJOR disguised as an
indie) dung.
Just know this: YOU (the fan) are the LAST person that they care about.
They are lying through their teeth to make you think they are some hardworking
"alternative" band.
You WANT to follow a band that will readily LIE to you and pretend to be
something they are NOT to make a lousy $17.98 (list) off of YOU?
I just wanna know which one of THEIR dads works at the label!
Sorry about this tirade, I don't know what has gotten over me... normally I am
just such an easy-going guy...but I am just so SICK of bands with NO integrity,
clogging up the damn charts!!!
We'll see what happens to this band when "Seether" finally wears itself out.
File 13 for the lot of 'em, I'm afraid.
But let me explain. Let me tell you a little story:
Once upon a time, there was a bird. He wanted so badly to sit high in a tree and
see the world, but his wings were too weak to fly.
One day, the bird happened upon a huge steer. He said to the steer, "Whoa is me!
I wish to sit in that tree! But I am MUCH to weak to fly!"
The steer replied, "Why don't you eat some of my dung? It is LOADED with
nutrients! Perhaps then you will have the strength to fly."
The bird was desperate and was ready to try anything. He hurriedly ate a large
(for a bird, anyway) portion of the dung, then he tried to fly.
He made it to the first branch!
Days passed. Every day, the bird would eat some more of the dung, and every day
he would be able to fly a little higher. Until one day.
He made it to the TOP of the tree! And looked around at all the world, for him to
see!
"A happy birdie, I be," said he.
Just then, a hunter noticed the bird sitting in the tree. He took aim with his
only slightly illegal AK-47 and BLASTED the bird into smithereens.
WHAT IS THE MORAL OF THE STORY?
(bullshit might get you to the top, but it won't KEEP you there!)
--
...Thom Bone
Butt Trumpet
Check out alt.music.butt-trumpet on USENET!
"1935 will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has
full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future." - Adolf Hitler
Joseph Suber
: You know, my dear... all this should tell you something: THIS BAND IS COMPLETELY
: MANUFACTURED BY GEFFIN RECORDS.
: File 13 for the lot of 'em, I'm afraid.
[and a bunch of other crap]
O.K. FIRST - Since this is a thread for the discography, I'll post something
that actually relates. There was a small blurb about VS in Time, Oct. 17,
towards the back of the magazine.
NEXT - Thom Bone needs to listen to "American Thighs." The poetry and
musical ability, the power which I have never seen from a [female] group,
fucking awesome live performance, etc... all these things point to a great
future for VS.
If Veruca Salt was "manufactured" by Geffen, then I can only hope
that more big evil record companies continue to "manufacture" such great
products. But if you saw VS live or listened to the album with an open mind
you would realize that these are truly talented people who deserve whatever
success they can squeeze out of a public that can't fully understand the real depth in their music.
My question to Thom is this: What personally bothers you so much
about rapid success? Are you jealous?
Joe Suber
su...@falcon.cc.ukans.edu
-_Bob_-
: Joe Suber
: su...@falcon.cc.ukans.edu
Fuck you, I think you need to go fuck yourself. If you think vs is a good
band because they're female, and though nothing special for a male band
an amazing feet, then you definatly need to go fuck yourself. I don't
know anything about veruca salt, all I know is there is no such thing as
a girl band, just a band. What do you think of veruca salt, not veruca
salt the band w/ chicks.
SCOTTHOL
: You know, my dear... all this should tell you something: THIS BAND IS COMPLETELY
: MANUFACTURED BY GEFFIN RECORDS.
: They paid absolutely NO indie dues whatsoever and haven't put out a SINGLE
: RELEASE other than their major label (Yes: Minty Fresh is a MAJOR disguised as an
: indie) dung.
: Just know this: YOU (the fan) are the LAST person that they care about.
: They are lying through their teeth to make you think they are some hardworking
: "alternative" band.
: You WANT to follow a band that will readily LIE to you and pretend to be
: something they are NOT to make a lousy $17.98 (list) off of YOU?
: I just wanna know which one of THEIR dads works at the label!
: Sorry about this tirade, I don't know what has gotten over me... normally I am
: just such an easy-going guy...but I am just so SICK of bands with NO integrity,
: clogging up the damn charts!!!
All this crap is irrelevant. I don't care if Veruca Salt are the Monkees
of the '90s. I don't care if they're all serial killers or insider traders.
I don't care if they lack "integrity", how carefully their image is
manufactured, or whether or not they've paid any "dues".
The only thing that matters is, when I get the tape or CD home and play
it, is the music any good?
All else is whining, either pro- or anti-.
-
Scott Hollifield / sco...@cris.com
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"Don't get clever with me! Clever people make me nervous!"
-- J. Jonah Jameson, _Amazing Spider-Man_ #31
Ted G. Dumitrescu
Ahh, but then what is this here in the K catalogue which says that Butt
Trumpet got signed? Sounds pretty suspicious...
Ted.
Andrea Donato
>All this crap is irrelevant. I don't care if Veruca Salt are the
Monkees
>of the '90s. I don't care if they're all serial killers or insider
traders.
>I don't care if they lack "integrity", how carefully their image is
>manufactured, or whether or not they've paid any "dues".
>
>The only thing that matters is, when I get the tape or CD home and play
>it, is the music any good?
>
>All else is whining, either pro- or anti-.
>
>-
>Scott Hollifield / sco...@cris.com
okay okay, i can see your point. there's no reason anyone should not
LISTEN to a band he/she likes. that's taste and there's no accounting
for that (especially in the case of VS) but there is a reason why you
should not give your money to big corporate labels. in general, big
business in this country does some pretty hideous things and always has.
regarding the record INDUSTRY specifically, check out the major labels
issue of maximumrocknroll to see why they do not deserve your support
(even $17.98 worth). still, there are good bands with ties to major
labels (jawbox, blues explosion, hell even nirvana i guess and i hear
jawbreaker could be there sooner than i'd like to think) so what's the
solution? BUY USED! am i the only person who knows this? how come i
don't here more people sounding the BUY USED airhorn? used records are
cheaper, in the case of CDs there's no loss in sound quality, and best
of all, you know right where your money's going (maybe in the pocket of
some jerkoff record store owner but at least he's one guy and not some
big fucking corporate sperm whale devouring defenseless plankton). and
i almost forgot: THE BIG BOYS DON'T SEE A DIME!! (and you can bet that
just pisses them off) the record industry has tried in the past to shut
down used retailers but have been fended off up to this point. the next
time they try it would be nice to have the record buying public come to
their defense. used records make a decent sized dent in an otherwise
untouchable industry and anyone who reads this group should be all for
that!
Thom Bone
>Ahh, but then what is this here in the K catalogue which says that Butt
>Trumpet got signed? Sounds pretty suspicious...
>Ted.
So WHAT if I am signed! WHAT does that have to do with anything, Ted?
--
...Thom Bone
Butt Trumpet
Check out alt.music.butt-trumpet on USENET!
"1935 will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has
full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future." - Adolf Hitler
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
- Albert Einstein
Nathaniel Paul Florin
>okay okay, i can see your point. there's no reason anyone should not
>LISTEN to a band he/she likes. that's taste and there's no accounting
>for that (especially in the case of VS) but there is a reason why you
>should not give your money to big corporate labels. in general, big
>business in this country does some pretty hideous things and always has.
> regarding the record INDUSTRY specifically, check out the major labels
>issue of maximumrocknroll to see why they do not deserve your support
>(even $17.98 worth). still, there are good bands with ties to major
>labels (jawbox, blues explosion, hell even nirvana i guess and i hear
>jawbreaker could be there sooner than i'd like to think) so what's the
>solution? BUY USED! am i the only person who knows this? how come i
>don't here more people sounding the BUY USED airhorn? used records are
>cheaper, in the case of CDs there's no loss in sound quality, and best
>of all, you know right where your money's going (maybe in the pocket of
>some jerkoff record store owner but at least he's one guy and not some
>big fucking corporate sperm whale devouring defenseless plankton). and
>i almost forgot: THE BIG BOYS DON'T SEE A DIME!! (and you can bet that
>just pisses them off) the record industry has tried in the past to shut
>down used retailers but have been fended off up to this point. the next
>time they try it would be nice to have the record buying public come to
>their defense. used records make a decent sized dent in an otherwise
>untouchable industry and anyone who reads this group should be all for
>that!
My only problems with your post:
1. Sperm whales don't eat plankton. You probably should have said a Minke
or Fin or other baleen whale, which do.
2. Unless you live in a fair sized city you can't find whatever you want
in a used bin somewhere. It took me five months to find Beck's "Mellow
Gold," for example.
3. Big record store chains are as big a problem as big labels. A Mom and
Pop store may sell Veruca Salt for $11.99 instead of the $16.98 that
Blockbuster Music charges. Not that $11.99 isn't still more than you
should be paying for a CD, but you're not going to do much better.
4. I agree that the majors are a largely destructive force, but MRR, like
any dogmatic publication, overstates the evil of its opponents and
overglorifies its friends. It's been a while since I read that issue
but I remember saying ti myself "Yes, but..." a lot while doing so.
5. MTV is what people should be going after. If they decide to play your
video they will make you a star. If they don't, it won't happen. Every
commercially successful "alternative" act since Jane's Addiction has
had its success handed to it by MTV.
Nate Florin nfl...@med.unc.edu
spo...@email.unc.edu
Phil Anglin
Anyway, here's my contribution:
In article <3e1r15$7qt$1...@mhadg.production.compuserve.com>,
Linda Wheeler <7523...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>- American Thighs
> Spring 1994, Minty Fresh Records, Chicago, IL
> Released in all three formats. Original 12" vinyls are indistinguishable
> from later pressings. However, the CDs that are currently being pressed
> have yellow-ish backgrounds, and red-ish graphic, while the older ones
> have pale pink backgrounds with off-white graphic. The newer CD covers
> are also glossy, while the older ones were textured (actually,
> the really old ones are cheap color photocopies). The pictures are more
> distinct in the newer pressings.
Hmmm. Off-white graphics? My copy has a cover that looks like newsprint
or recycled paper (definitely not "glossy"), but the disc has a purple-ish
"V" on a pale pink background. What the heck have *I* got?
>Section 5: Television Appearences
>
>- "MTV News" Veruca Salt appeared on MTV news during the New Music
> Seminar. They talked about their success, songwriting style, and
> future plans. During the piece on Veruca, MTV played clips of the
> live performance taped During the seminar. This recording is also
> circulating, but not enough is known at this time. They played
> a song with the lyrics "I'll be the first to kill you, and If you
> don't die, I will." This song has not been released, to my understanding,
> so a copy of this show would definately be a plus.
>
"MTV's 120 Minutes" Nina Gordon and Louise Post of Veruca Salt hosted
MTV's 120 Minutes on November 27, 1994. They don't say much about
Veruca Salt during the breaks, mostly it's personal-type stuff.
They also hold up cryptic signs. They chose some of the videos:
'Sugar Kane' by Sonic Youth, 'Only Shallow' by My Bloody Valentine,
and 'From a Motel 6' by Yo La Tengo.
>Section 6: Magazine Articles
>
>- Entertainment Weekly (Date?)
>- Rolling Stone (Date?)
>- Spin (Date?)
Review of 'American Thighs' by Kim Ahearn.
Rolling Stone, issue 694, November 3, 1994, p. 100.
'The Year In Music', by Eric Weisbard,
_Spin_, December 1994, pp. 62-72.
[Just a mention on p. 68]
more to come later...
--
Phil Anglin | "If Tori Amos and Kate Bush got into a fight with
Millersville, MD | Sarah McLachlan and Enya, who do you think would win?"
|
| (seen in rec.music.tori-amos)
Richard Singer
>okay okay, i can see your point. there's no reason anyone should not
>LISTEN to a band he/she likes. that's taste and there's no accounting
>for that (especially in the case of VS) but there is a reason why you
>should not give your money to big corporate labels. in general, big
>business in this country does some pretty hideous things and always has.
> regarding the record INDUSTRY specifically, check out the major labels
>issue of maximumrocknroll to see why they do not deserve your support
>(even $17.98 worth). still, there are good bands with ties to major
>labels (jawbox, blues explosion, hell even nirvana i guess and i hear
>jawbreaker could be there sooner than i'd like to think) so what's the
>solution? BUY USED! am i the only person who knows this? how come i
>don't here more people sounding the BUY USED airhorn? used records are
>cheaper, in the case of CDs there's no loss in sound quality, and best
>of all, you know right where your money's going (maybe in the pocket of
>some jerkoff record store owner but at least he's one guy and not some
>big fucking corporate sperm whale devouring defenseless plankton). and
>i almost forgot: THE BIG BOYS DON'T SEE A DIME!! (and you can bet that
>just pisses them off) the record industry has tried in the past to shut
>down used retailers but have been fended off up to this point. the next
>time they try it would be nice to have the record buying public come to
>their defense. used records make a decent sized dent in an otherwise
>untouchable industry and anyone who reads this group should be all for
>that!
I used to buy USED a lot until vinyl got squeezed out. Since then, I've
been buying cassettes. I get immeasurable enjoyment out of cassettes,
yet I don't have to pay "$17.98 list" for each album I purchase (usually I
pay $7.98 to $9.98 per cassette). I never thought the sound quality on
CDs was so impressive that it was worth paying the extra bucks -- it's
the music, itself, that counts the most, and I'd rather buy more good
music for the same price. Besides, I suppose it's my way of spiting the
music-selling corporations, with all their petty manipulations to get
more money out of us . . .
Yet to me, there isn't much excitement going on in indie-lable "alternative"
rock . . . I have to buy according to my tastes, and in rock music,
the "indies" no longer have the artistic edge that they used
to . . . Where you do find the indie advantage is in alternative dance
music, especially in techno and its subgenres. In fact, to find most of my
favorite trance or ambient releases, I *have* to seek out minor labels.
This is the area where you can spite the major labels and still have a
lot of fun. Plus, you can actually go out and buy a lot of this stuff on
vinyl (though ironically, you often end up paying a lot more). Anyway,
there's a thriving indie culture in this realm, yet you'd never know about
it from watching "alternative" shows on American MTV or from listening
to our "alternative" commercial radio. Funny, isn't it :-) ?
-- Richard Singer
Phil Anglin
'20 Best Albums of 94',
_SPIN_, December 1994, pp. 76-78.
'Top 20 Singles of the Year',
_SPIN_, December 1994, p. 77.
'The Best and Worst (Music)', by David Browne,
_Entertainment Weekly_, No. 255/256, December 30, 1994/January 6, 1995,
pp. 122-125.
'Rock Indies', by David Sprague,
_Request_, November 1994, p. 81.
???, _Details_, November 1994.
'Money Changes Everything', by Jim DeRogatis,
_Request_, January 1995, pp. 61-63.
[nice article. gives a detailed history of Veruca Salt.]
'The Critics Choice'
_Billboard_, December 24, 1994, pp. 22-27.
[they show up in numerous top ten lists.]
Andrew Hime
Well, I like the hands-off system that CDs use.
>the music, itself, that counts the most, and I'd rather buy more good
>music for the same price. Besides, I suppose it's my way of spiting the
>music-selling corporations, with all their petty manipulations to get
>more money out of us . . .
True. I'm pretty mad that max CD price round here just went up to $17...
everything I buy is pretty obscure or not mainstream enough for Camelot to
mark down at least, so I end up paying that all the time.
>Yet to me, there isn't much excitement going on in indie-lable "alternative"
>rock . . . I have to buy according to my tastes, and in rock music,
>the "indies" no longer have the artistic edge that they used
Me too, although I do like a little of the Matador and SubPop thing.
>to . . . Where you do find the indie advantage is in alternative dance
>music, especially in techno and its subgenres. In fact, to find most of my
>favorite trance or ambient releases, I *have* to seek out minor labels.
>This is the area where you can spite the major labels and still have a
>lot of fun. Plus, you can actually go out and buy a lot of this stuff on
Right. Why are these labels releasing this stuff? You have to wonder, but
it's so funny.
>vinyl (though ironically, you often end up paying a lot more). Anyway,
It varies. Sometimes you pay more, sometimes you pay less. I'm willing to
pay $25 for "Phoenix" by God Within.
>there's a thriving indie culture in this realm, yet you'd never know about
>it from watching "alternative" shows on American MTV or from listening
>to our "alternative" commercial radio. Funny, isn't it :-) ?
Probably because it's still underground. That, and Americans (for the most
part!) need their culture fed to them, or just don't understand techno
music. (No guitars? See above... ;)
alt.rave added to da newsgroup list, Underworld on da CD player.
"mmm skyscraper i love you"
Ram Samudrala
>>okay okay, i can see your point. there's no reason anyone should not
>>LISTEN to a band he/she likes. that's taste and there's no accounting
>>for that (especially in the case of VS) but there is a reason why you
>>should not give your money to big corporate labels. in general, big
>>business in this country does some pretty hideous things and always has.
>> regarding the record INDUSTRY specifically, check out the major labels
>>issue of maximumrocknroll to see why they do not deserve your support
>>(even $17.98 worth). still, there are good bands with ties to major
>>labels (jawbox, blues explosion, hell even nirvana i guess and i hear
>>jawbreaker could be there sooner than i'd like to think) so what's the
>>solution? BUY USED! am i the only person who knows this? how come i
>>don't here more people sounding the BUY USED airhorn? used records are
>>cheaper, in the case of CDs there's no loss in sound quality, and best
>>of all, you know right where your money's going (maybe in the pocket of
>>some jerkoff record store owner but at least he's one guy and not some
>>big fucking corporate sperm whale devouring defenseless plankton).
But a "corporate sperm whale" is necessary in terms of providing jobs,
etc. I mean, it's what make this country the greatest in the world
and it is what is making Japan one of the most affluent. The point is
that this is not an ideal existence (neither is a socialist kind of
thing). Richard Stallman had the greatest idea with his Free Software
Foundation. There should be a place where things can be available
free, and a place where people can buy stuff. That is, if I write a
program, it will be given away for free by asking me. But someone can
take my program (I give this permission) and sell it if they want for
whatever price. Why should someone buy something if they can get it
for free? Because of the "added bonuses" that is available (service,
enhancements, support, etc.).
With the Internet and soundfiles, I no longer even need to tape stuff.
I can just download the soundfile and save it on my DAT.
So, my advice more than buying used (which is good advice) is to tape
it off of friends. But if you want a CD with a nice cover and
everything, then pay for it. Personally, with a DAT, I see no reason
why I should buy CDs. Another thing to do is join the CD clubs
(especially BMG). I end up paying around $20 for about 8 CDs. Even
if I hate these CDs, I goto a used CD store and trade them in for $5
each! This way I make money off of these things! This is fair, IMO,
because I do buy a lot of CDs for the list price of $11.99 (Towe
records is very good at this).
You need someone to make the CDs and make them easily available.
Corporate giants do accomplish this and a lot of other things. But
there's no reason to respect them or anyone else for it, or respect
any laws. Just do what you want, but be reasonable. Think how it
would if it were your work that was being taped (I don't mind).
>pay $7.98 to $9.98 per cassette
Which is ridiculous, of course.
>CDs was so impressive that it was worth paying the extra bucks
It is---get a good system. It's only 2 bucks more. As a person who
records stuff in digital and analog, I know the difference between the
two.
--Ram
r...@elan1.carb.nist.gov If you didn't care what happened to me, and I
didn't care for you, we would zig zag our way through the boredom and
pain occasionally glancing up through the rain wondering which of the
buggers to blame and watching for pigs on the wing. ---Pink Floyd
truth and soul
: Scott Hollifield / sco...@cris.com
: ----------------------------------------
: "Don't get clever with me! Clever people make me nervous!"
: -- J. Jonah Jameson, _Amazing Spider-Man_ #31
wrote a bunch of crap.
it doesn't matter if they have integrity, if they mean what they say, if
they are what they say, as long as it sounds good?
think again, hard about that.
doesn't matter what the ingrediants are, as long as it tastes good.
supporting this stuff is like taking a damn sedative. don't get arrested
for drug evasion!
amazing.
Dave Miyares
My god what the fuck does Veruca Salt have to do with being
independent? Shit Minty Fresh was a scam label set up by
one of the majors!
Please lets kill this thread!
Sounds like the Breaders!
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Casa De Toad Records c/o ! PO Box 45065
dave.m...@pcohio.com ! Cleveland, Ohio 44145
Dave Miyares
Ah I see theres a Label Rep here. Hi Joe.. Just remember that
money deosn't equal talent. Just ask Butt Trumpt. What label are
they on? Sony was it?
Dave Miyares
Dave Miyares
>All this crap is irrelevant. I don't care if Veruca Salt are the Monkees
>of the '90s. I don't care if they're all serial killers or insider traders.
>I don't care if they lack "integrity", how carefully their image is
>manufactured, or whether or not they've paid any "dues".
>The only thing that matters is, when I get the tape or CD home and play
>it, is the music any good?
trying to ban. Hell they're only $2, just about what they're worth. I've
heard the whole CD and there's only 2 songs which stand out as being radio
material. One of them is the "Sounds like the Breeders" song and the other
sounds pretty much like the first. It's crap. Your better off picking up
the sound track to 'HEAD'
Dave
Dave Miyares
{lots of stuff deleted}
>2. Unless you live in a fair sized city you can't find whatever you want
> in a used bin somewhere. It took me five months to find Beck's "Mellow
> Gold," for example.
cow town, but that was it. No indies no imports no nothing. Just Beck
and Garth Brooks.
>3. Big record store chains are as big a problem as big labels. A Mom and
> Pop store may sell Veruca Salt for $11.99 instead of the $16.98 that
> Blockbuster Music charges. Not that $11.99 isn't still more than you
> should be paying for a CD, but you're not going to do much better.
all) if you make 5000 or more. If you were to make 1000 CD and that was
it it would cost about $10 per cd. I wonder where the rest of the money
goes? Humm.. Video's and advertising?
>4. I agree that the majors are a largely destructive force, but MRR, like
> any dogmatic publication, overstates the evil of its opponents and
> overglorifies its friends. It's been a while since I read that issue
> but I remember saying ti myself "Yes, but..." a lot while doing so.
they didn't mention a band that wasn't "FUCKED". I believe they made
reference to fact that even Crass works for the man. Some how their
distribution was run by EMI or some shit like that. Best part of the
article was the interview with Gerald Cosloy! I can remember reading the
back Pages of CMJ where Mr Cosloy use to preach his "INDIE" religion to
lots of mindless music directors. Boy did he hate the major labels. Ooops.
Why doesn't he write anything good anymore?
>5. MTV is what people should be going after. If they decide to play your
> video they will make you a star. If they don't, it won't happen. Every
> commercially successful "alternative" act since Jane's Addiction has
> had its success handed to it by MTV.
right now. They're actually going to set up their OWN music television,
and they're going to play bands that never get played on MTV. Wanna know
who THEY are? I'll give ya a hint. Theres six (6) of them. BINGO! Thats
right the MAJOR labels are planning on setting up their own music station
to promote bands MTV doesn't find marketable (like Widow Maker.)
cjs...@acs.ucalgary.ca
Veruca Salt ARE NOT an independent band. Thus, their discography
shouldn't be on this newsgroup. alt.music.alternative, yes, but
not this one.
Rusty
Patricia M. Schwarz
Joe Suber wrote:
> If Veruca Salt was "manufactured" by Geffen, then I can only hope
>that more big evil record companies continue to "manufacture" such great
>products.
But they weren't, Geffen almost lost a huge bidding war with Virgin
over VS.
However, I agree with you - I'm tired of whiny "alternative" fans
complaining about success.
It reminds of whiny neo-Marxist feminists of the eighties getting into
de-privileging wars over who could be the most sexless, most bland, most
impoverished, most humble and democratic, hardest working, longest
suffering, most discriminated-against person on the Planyt.
I've had enough of this "alternative" attitude that poverty and victimization
automatically makes an artist innovative or interesting, or makes a political
position pure and noble, or makes anyone anything except impoverished
and victimized.
So there!!!!!
-patricia
Thom Bone
Miyares) writes:
>Ah I see theres a Label Rep here. Hi Joe.. Just remember that
>money deosn't equal talent. Just ask Butt Trumpt. What label are
>they on? Sony was it?
No, it's EMI, smart-ass. And we don't have any money... we got our
RIGHTS instead. And a GREAT distributor.
So blow me, friend.
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...Thom Bone
Butt Trumpet
"1935 will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has
Andrew Hime
Who are these Breaders? What do they have out? Why have I never heard of
them before? Are they independent?
Bobby Hodad
Yeah, they're shopping for a deal even as we speak. The band is made up
of former members of Bread and those lovable folkies, the Weavers.
Mr. Hodad
Dave Miyares
>>Sounds like the Breaders!
>Who are these Breaders? What do they have out? Why have I never heard of
>them before? Are they independent?
10 fucking minutes to type the damn line in then it's wrong! Oh well...
didn't go to college for english now did I? Hummm?
Andrew Hime
Dave Miyares <cc...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> wrote:
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>>>Sounds like the Breaders!
>
>>Who are these Breaders? What do they have out? Why have I never heard of
>>them before? Are they independent?
>
>God damn keyboard. I hate knot having a spellinc checker! It takes me
>10 fucking minutes to type the damn line in then it's wrong! Oh well...
>didn't go to college for english now did I? Hummm?
No, that's why you took courses throughout your schooling on English
(assuming you grew up here, of course). Saw a funny Foxtrot a while back on
spelling checkers and how people rely on them now...
Just like the whole argument about calculators a few years back. Funny how
decline goes...
GrayGhost
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> >5. MTV is what people should be going after. If they decide to play your
> > video they will make you a star. If they don't, it won't happen. Every
> > commercially successful "alternative" act since Jane's Addiction has
> > had its success handed to it by MTV.
>
> Well it is my understanding that there there is a group going after MTV
> right now. They're actually going to set up their OWN music television,
> and they're going to play bands that never get played on MTV. Wanna know
> who THEY are? I'll give ya a hint. Theres six (6) of them. BINGO! Thats
> right the MAJOR labels are planning on setting up their own music station
> to promote bands MTV doesn't find marketable (like Widow Maker.)
>
well... I went to London for the Christmas break, and I find that
something like what you just said has been done. there is a Radio
station there that is own by a record company (Virgin) and they have
advertisements all over the city...ack...(I didn't listen to the
station, sorry, so I can't tell ya what they played.) They also have a
bunch of record stores and my guess is that the station is nothing but a
commerical advertisement for their stores. makes me want to go out
and burn a store down....
GG
Anarchy sounds good to me
Then someone asks, "Who'd fix the sewers?"
Would the rednecks just play
King of the Neighborhood?
---Dead Kennedys
hra...@cloud9.net
neither is The Breeders. Take this shit to *.alternative or *.punk. Shit,
biggest thread in year and it's about some peak alternative bands, jeesh.
Maura Johnston
i believe it came out sometime last spring. and american thighs came out
the same day rem's monster did, NOT in the spring.
some are mango vinyl (mango marbleized), others are see-through orange...
it's seether b/w all hail me.
--
maura johnston
evanston, il
sta...@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Ralf Engeldinger
This thread is really annoying. If one doesn't like a particular kind of
music it is simply ridiculous to vigorously argue with people who do. Apart
from this I dare to claim the following: Noone who could reasonably assume
that s/he might like Veruca Salt from what they had heard/read before can
possibly have such a negative perception of American Thighs. I dare say this
because I recently read quite a lot of articulations by people who like the
same artists as I do (on these newsgroups and two mailing lists). There is
definitively a surprisingly large homogenity in the way these people perceive
and react to these artists.
I haven't the slightest idea why these people react so vitriolic to
Veruca Salt but they must be hitting a nerve.
As far as American Thighs is concerned: There is not a single weak track on
it. (A rather rare phenomenon with career opportunists or record company
clones.) The lyrics have an awesome associative power, one can
dive into them and float, accompanied by wonderfully dense guitar soli.
(And, yes, there's this wonderful aura of femininity which seems to be
unbearable for some around here...)
"The more you want it, the less you're gonna get it back.
I'm spinning up, I can't control my car..."
Those compulsive articulations of dislike are simply expressions of misogyny.
__Ralf A. Engeldinger
Ned A. RAGGETT
Ralf Engeldinger <enge...@lswes8.ls-wess.physik.uni-muenchen.de> wrote:
[defense of V. Salt snipped]
>Those compulsive articulations of dislike are simply expressions of misogyny.
Let me get this straight--if we don't like Veruca Salt, we're women haters.
By the same token, not liking, say, Luther Vandross shows we're racist
bigots, I suppose. Truly moronic. If you're saying that because
of the nature of the band's lyrical material not liking it is tantamount
to misogyny, you perhaps have a vaguely stronger case, but not by much.
I suspect the majority of people who care not for the band think little
about the words and a lot about the not-exactly-spiffy music. Either way,
your simplistic reduction of the anti-Veruca Salt reaction is tripe.
Further, given that I know a number of women who don't like the band,
who the hell are YOU to judge what's misogynistic?
Ned Raggett
nara...@uci.edu
Andrew Hime
Maura Johnston <sta...@unseen2.acns.nwu.edu> wrote:
>don't forget the "seether" 7"... i think 2000 copies of it were pressed.
>i believe it came out sometime last spring. and american thighs came out
>the same day rem's monster did, NOT in the spring.
>some are mango vinyl (mango marbleized), others are see-through orange...
>it's seether b/w all hail me.
I mailed the same to the discog writer. I'm not really a big VS fan. Maybe
not a fan at all. I just get a kick out of the fact that I read a review of
this single about six months to a year before everyone else had heard of the
band in U-Turn Magazine. Once again, I am more "alternative" than everyone
else.
heh
Ralf Engeldinger
In article <3e9fk4$4...@news.service.uci.edu>, nara...@e4e.oac.uci.edu
I wasn't referring to anyone who happens not to like them but to
"Those compulsive articulations of dislike" that were posted here. As
someone wrote it's not so usual to flame a discography. If the subject line
indicates a performer I don't like why read the post at all? Flaming spoils
the atmosphere in a group where it is exceptionally good (a.m.a.f, that is).
And this kind of flaming certainly doesn't make sense (does any?).
Just in case anyone really feels insulted: I apologize, it wasn't intended.
__Ralf A. Engeldinger
robert Dylan putnam
>about rapid success? Are you jealous?
>
> Joe Suber
> su...@falcon.cc.ukans.edu
>
Excellent point! Veruca Salt is making it big because they're a fabulous
band. Does it surprise anyone (read:Thom Bone) that a major label jumps
on a band that they believe people will pay good money to listen to? It
shouldn't.
I just saw VS on new Years Eve here in Chicago, and it was one of the best shows I've ever been to. Quite simply, they rocked. That's the reason I went. I
expected to hear some excellent music, and I wasn't disappointed. Yes, jealousy is a very unpleasant notion, indeed.
Rob
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nraggett
patr...@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) writes:
> Women-hating undoubtedly accounts for a subset of people who hate Veruca Salt.
> Just as bigots account for a subset of people who hate Luther Van Dross.
>
> But the people who hate a given musician are also a small subset of the people
> who simply don't like them. For example, I don't like Tammy Wynette. However,
> I do not *hate* her and I do not find it necessary to search out Usenet groups
> where Tammy Wynette fans are likely to post, and make sure they know how
> **much** I hate her!
>
> People who engage in the latter behavior very likely have some other reason
> for belonging too the "active hate" subset of the "don't like" category
> aside from pure musical prefernces.
Without sounding too flip, I'll point out that your 'very likely' phrase
is most welcome, given that I know plenty of people [and I'm hardly immune
myself] who quite happily 'actively hate' without needing much more than
musical preference to help them. Alternately, flaming discographies
just for the sake of flaming discographies IS a bit much, as the feller
whose message produced my original response has rightly noted, so I'll
tone down my original message in that regard. Still, after more than a
year on this board, I must say that it doesn't take much more than a
subject line to provoke over the top flames. Thus is the nature of the
Net.
> Women are certainly capable of misogyny, just as Jews are capable of
> anti-Semitism and blacks are capable of racism. Some people do internalize
> the hatred they see in their dominant culture and turn it against themselves
> or against certain members of their own group who behave in a way that
> breaks stereotypes.
Quite right. I stand corrected.
Ned Raggett | "I realize a miracle is due
nara...@uci.edu | I dedicate this melody to you
eah...@ea.oac.uci.edu | But is this the stuff dreams are made of?
nrag...@wopr.gsm.uci.edu | --The Chameleons, "Second Skin"
Patricia M. Schwarz
Ned A. Raggett wrote:
>Let me get this straight--if we don't like Veruca Salt, we're women haters.
>By the same token, not liking, say, Luther Vandross shows we're racist
>bigots, I suppose. Truly moronic.
No, your reduction of his statement was moronic.
Women-hating undoubtedly accounts for a subset of people who hate Veruca Salt.
Just as bigots account for a subset of people who hate Luther Van Dross.
But the people who hate a given musician are also a small subset of the people
who simply don't like them. For example, I don't like Tammy Wynette. However,
I do not *hate* her and I do not find it necessary to search out Usenet groups
where Tammy Wynette fans are likely to post, and make sure they know how
**much** I hate her!
People who engage in the latter behavior very likely have some other reason
for belonging too the "active hate" subset of the "don't like" category
aside from pure musical prefernces.
>Further, given that I know a number of women who don't like the band,
>who the hell are YOU to judge what's misogynistic?
Women are certainly capable of misogyny, just as Jews are capable of
anti-Semitism and blacks are capable of racism. Some people do internalize
the hatred they see in their dominant culture and turn it against themselves
or against certain members of their own group who behave in a way that
breaks stereotypes.
I had a certain degree of "internalized misogyny" myself -- it developed about
a year after I came to Caltech. I think I've pretty much dealt with it by
now, but for a while I had pretty negative feelings about everything to do
with other women.
Have you ever heard about the "self-hating Jew" explanation for all the
anti-Semitism that was apparent in the material of old Borshcht Belt Jewish
comedians?
-patricia
Christine Henry
Veruca Salt is a good band, so it's not unusual that they have tons of fans
who go around saying nothing but 'they rule' etc. but I don't understand the
violent hatred they inspire in so many people . . .
Perhaps the writers of this discography should have stayed out of 'hardcore'
but they had every right to cross-post to the other places, so flames for THAT
are silly
Ned A. RAGGETT (nara...@e4e.oac.uci.edu) wrote:
: In article <3e98bp$j...@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de>,
: Ralf Engeldinger <enge...@lswes8.ls-wess.physik.uni-muenchen.de> wrote:
: [defense of V. Salt snipped]
: >Those compulsive articulations of dislike are simply expressions of misogyny.
: Let me get this straight--if we don't like Veruca Salt, we're women haters.
I agree that accusing all people who don't like the band of being misogynists
is silly. But it IS a possible explanation for some of the dislike . . .
And sure, there are probably a bunch of folks out there who just think they
aren't good, and that is that. But then why do they go to all the trouble to
take the time to read about them, and post 'they suck' over and over?
Some of the flak from other Chicago bands and music folks I understand.
Veruca Salt did not go through the process. They cheated. Music people like
me like to know about bands for at least a good two, three years before the
public does, and with Veruca, there was only maybe six months while they
played to places like Lounge Ax, whatever . . . and some people are just so
jealous they can't cope. But that happens in the home-towns of lots of
successful bands.
I don't understand why a simple disocgraphy inspired thirty (and counting)
follow-ups, as I said. Someone explain this to me?
Christine Henry Do I dare / Disturb the Universe? --T.S. Eliot
Goddess :)
(The Semi-Omnicient) "Silflay hraka, u embleer rah." --Bigwig
god...@ripco.com
Susan Roston
Ralf Engeldinger <engeldin@seifert@lswes8.ls-wess.physik.uni-muenchen.de> wrote:
>"Those compulsive articulations of dislike" that were posted here. As
>someone wrote it's not so usual to flame a discography. If the subject line
>indicates a performer I don't like why read the post at all? Flaming spoils
>the atmosphere in a group where it is exceptionally good (a.m.a.f, that is).
>And this kind of flaming certainly doesn't make sense (does any?).
moreso than other groups, that a lot of pretentious people go throwing their
opinions around when they really aren't necessary(like I am doing now).
me? I read this newsgroup to follow a band or two or three. so why do we get
all these little net.infants in a higher concentration here than elsewhere?
--michael roston--tarnished golden boy--
Susan Roston
robert Dylan putnam <rpu...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>> My question to Thom is this: What personally bothers you so much
>>about rapid success? Are you jealous?
>band. Does it surprise anyone (read:Thom Bone) that a major label jumps
>on a band that they believe people will pay good money to listen to? It
>shouldn't.
the two of *you* appreciate the band. mr. thom bone and others who have erred
in attaching themselves to this thread seem to have a lack of options to take
out their irritation on this and that. the lot of you who are taking forth in
this banter are just throwing about your pretentious little attitudes (like I
am). don't say the band is good implying that *you* think it is good so
*everbody else* thinks it is good. just tell us that in your opinion the band
is good. and to those who don't like the band, lay off, bitch about around
people who are your friends and agree with you. since you need to attack
things you don't like in the first place.
--michael roston--tarnished golden boy--
Mark Sgarzi
filibuster.
Joel Fenton
>>> I don't understand why a simple disocgraphy inspired thirty (and counting)
>>> follow-ups, as I said. Someone explain this to me?
Amen. I have to laugh at the fools on the net and in real life who seethe (pun intended) with
hate toward any band who's records sell more than about 2500 copies... I couldn't give
a ripe fuck whether VS has "paid its dues", played every fucking dive in Chicagoland,
lived in a van down by the river for decades, ate nothing but pigeon bread for months,
spent years in a Mexican prison, {insert noble sacrifice here}. I don't give a damn if they
were picked up out of some amll somewhere, handed instruments by David Geffen
himself, and became alternative "stars" through that process. If there's a band making
kick-ass music I like to listen to, I'll listen, and I don't give FUCK ONE about all the
crybabies who'll never get their shot despite years and years of noodling in pizza parlors and
bat-infested coffee houses.
I think it was that gun freak who's the leader of Ass Clarinet who started
the stone-Veruca-Salt thread. Heh, where would *he* be if Geffen or someone had
plucked Heinie Tuba out of obscurity? What if Sphincter Flute had been profiled all
over the media? Would he have refused the power and the glory - "No, we haven't
played for enough drunken idiots yet. We haven't bounced enough checks yet. I
haven't washed my hair with lemon juice on the road for three weeks solid yet. No
5 album deal."
I think not.
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ago. I'm in a Chicago band that's been paying it's dues for 3 years now.
We couldn't believe that VS was getting a headlining show at the LoungeAx
for their first show when we have to beg to open on a Wed. night. Sue
Miller is in the business of choosing bands that will fill up her club so
the kids buy more booze and her club makes more money.
Now I don't mind the whole situation that much. We know our band is fucked
up bizarro "out there" musick. We will never get signed to a major. We're
finding it hard to get any "indie" interested. "Who would buy this stuff?"
The bottom line exists everywhere.
VS did exactly what they wanted to do. Become Rock & Roll stars. We're
doing what we want to do. Making freakin' music that appeals to our inner
souls and obviously has little appeal to the masses. I'm not sure if my
band made a serious effort to write "pop" songs we could do it as well as
they have.
anyway....
>still, there are good bands with ties to major
> labels (jawbox, blues explosion, hell even nirvana i guess and i hear
> jawbreaker could be there sooner than i'd like to think) so what's the
> solution? BUY USED! am i the only person who knows this? how come i
> don't here more people sounding the BUY USED airhorn? used records are
> cheaper, in the case of CDs there's no loss in sound quality, and best
> of all, you know right where your money's going (maybe in the pocket of
> some jerkoff record store owner but at least he's one guy and not some
> big fucking corporate sperm whale devouring defenseless plankton). and
> i almost forgot: THE BIG BOYS DON'T SEE A DIME!! (and you can bet that
> just pisses them off)
OK there's more to this story.
I used to work in a used CD store and have talked to several bands about
this.
Where do the used CD's come from?
Yes, there are the used CD's that come from individuals who have grown
tired of listening to The Wall for the 500th time and sell it. Yes, I
would agree that this hurts the majors not being able to sell the
50,000,000th copy of that "classic" CD.
The store I worked at however bought a great deal of "used" CD's from
people who worked for the record lables. These "used" CD's are promos.
They can often be spotted by cuts in the jewel case. We had guys who would
come in every week on the same day with boxes of the new releases from
their lables. In fact the lables often use that as a perk for the lower
paid employees to make some money on the side.
The problem with this is that the artists themselves often have to pay for
the promos themselves out of their advance!!! The record companies make
them pay for their own promotion.
The worst case scenario of this was the Mekons. When they released their
Rock&Roll album on A&M, the powers that be at A&M decided it was in the
Mekons interest to saturate the country with Mekons promos. It was weird
at the time. I remember seeing hundreds of Mekons promo LP's & CD's on
sale. It got to the point where anyone could buy a promo copy for cheap.
Who wanted to buy it out full price. Who lost out? Not the big greedy
record company but the Mekons. No Mekons record is going to sell much more
then a few thousand copies. They just aren't that well known. A&M
destroyed any chance they had of making any money on their major lable
contract. In fact A&M dropped them citing low sales figures. The record
sold perhaps more than any other Mekons release but that was in promo, not
retail, copies. So the Mekons were screwed.
So you may think you're screwing the lables by buying used, but you could
very well end up costing the band you love money in the end.
Will Smith (AC)
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: They paid absolutely NO indie dues whatsoever and haven't put out a SINGLE
: RELEASE other than their major label (Yes: Minty Fresh is a MAJOR disguised as an
: indie) dung.
: Just know this: YOU (the fan) are the LAST person that they care about.
: They are lying through their teeth to make you think they are some hardworking
: "alternative" band.
: You WANT to follow a band that will readily LIE to you and pretend to be
: something they are NOT to make a lousy $17.98 (list) off of YOU?
: I just wanna know which one of THEIR dads works at the label!
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: ...Thom Bone
: Butt Trumpet
This is really bad. REAL bad. Why can't a band just play good
music and get the respect they deserve? Why is it that unless they
pay "dues", or that they have to only have a handful of fans for
them to be a "good" band? Veruca Salt is one of the best bands I have
ever heard in a long time. The real poseurs are the ones like Thom
who think that a band can only be good until they become popular, then
they sell out and become commercialized. This same stupid argument
was made against Nirvana after Teen Spirit, and yet, their best work
was (in my opinion) done AFTER bleach.
Will
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Peter Hicks
patr...@cco.caltech.edu "Patricia M. Schwarz" writes:
> Women are certainly capable of misogyny, just as Jews are capable of
> anti-Semitism and blacks are capable of racism.
Patricia,
You make a valid point with which I agree. However, while a woman cannot be
misogynist if she hates men, or a Jew anti-Semitic by hating gentiles; a black
person can be racist if they hate whites (or any other race). It's a small
correction, but it can be very dangerous to presume racism = anti-black.
--
Peter Hicks
Future Sound Of London - just buy it.
jerry
>
> Thom Bone (thom...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
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> : They paid absolutely NO indie dues whatsoever and haven't put out a SINGLE
> : RELEASE other than their major label (Yes: Minty Fresh is a MAJOR disguised as an
> : indie) dung.
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> : Just know this: YOU (the fan) are the LAST person that they care about.
>
> : They are lying through their teeth to make you think they are some hardworking
> : "alternative" band.
>
> : You WANT to follow a band that will readily LIE to you and pretend to be
> : something they are NOT to make a lousy $17.98 (list) off of YOU?
>
> : I just wanna know which one of THEIR dads works at the label!
>
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> : ...Thom Bone
> : Butt Trumpet
>
> : RULES OUT VERUCA SALT RIGHT THERE...TRITE, DERIVATIVE, DULL
The truth is out there
: First of all let me say that I was on the VS haters bandwagon a few months
: ago. I'm in a Chicago band that's been paying it's dues for 3 years now.
You sound like Wes Kidd of Triple Fast Action...Except he likes Veruca Salt.
(But I mention Wes because he did an interview where he said his band had
been around as long as the Smashing Pumpkins, "paid the same dues", and got
nothing for it, I'm severly paraphrasing, but that's basically the jist)
: We couldn't believe that VS was getting a headlining show at the LoungeAx
: for their first show when we have to beg to open on a Wed. night. Sue
: Miller is in the business of choosing bands that will fill up her club so
: the kids buy more booze and her club makes more money.
Yeah, if you've been to Lounge Ax more than a couple times (which I'm sure
you have), it's easy to notice the trend of what kind of bands play there
(which you have noticed).
: Now I don't mind the whole situation that much. We know our band is fucked
: up bizarro "out there" musick. We will never get signed to a major. We're
: finding it hard to get any "indie" interested. "Who would buy this stuff?"
: The bottom line exists everywhere.
Hey, who are you guys...you're on the Internet, right? Mail me your show
dates, I have a mailing list called the Chicago Favorite Bands List, where
I list upcoming shows of local bands. The address to send submissions to
is che...@interaccess.com.
--Maurice 'Cheeks' Mattis
--Internet Consultant
--Tanner Entertainment
--che...@interaccess.com
Keene Darrin
> I think it was that gun freak who's the leader of Ass Clarinet who started
> the stone-Veruca-Salt thread. Heh, where would *he* be if Geffen or someone
> had plucked Heinie Tuba out of obscurity? What if Sphincter Flute had
> been profiled all over the media? Would he have refused the power and
> the glory - "No, we haven't played for enough drunken idiots yet. We
> haven't bounced enough checks yet. I haven't washed my hair with lemon
> juice on the road for three weeks solid yet. No 5 album deal."
>
> I think not.
>
Actually, if that is the real Thom Bone that started this thread from
hell, then there's something that should be said about Bone's
band Butt Trumpet.
The band has been getting press from the likes of CMJ magazine, which
claims that the band is now signed to - gasp! - the Chrysalis label, part
of the EMI consortium of labels! Among the fine artists in the Chrysalis
catalogue are Pat Benatar and Billy Idol.
So why, pray tell, would "Uncle Thom" be whining about another band's
major label success?
Hmmmm....
Darrin
kee...@server.uwindsor.ca
Thom Bone
> This is really bad. REAL bad. Why can't a band just play good
> music and get the respect they deserve? Why is it that unless they
> pay "dues", or that they have to only have a handful of fans for
> them to be a "good" band? Veruca Salt is one of the best bands I have
> ever heard in a long time. The real poseurs are the ones like Thom
> who think
Oh... is THAT what I think? Thanks for filling me in! I was wondering
about that...
that a band can only be good until they become popular, then
> they sell out and become commercialized. This same stupid argument
> was made against Nirvana after Teen Spirit, and yet, their best work
> was (in my opinion) done AFTER bleach.
--
...Thom Bone
Butt Trumpet
"1935 will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has
full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future." - Adolf Hitler
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
- Albert Einstein
Laura Weislo
: Andrea Donato <he...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: > so what's the
: >don't here more people sounding the BUY USED airhorn? used records are
: >cheaper, in the case of CDs there's no loss in sound quality, and best
: >of all, you know right where your money's going (maybe in the pocket of
: >some jerkoff record store owner but at least he's one guy and not some
: >big fucking corporate sperm whale devouring defenseless plankton). and
: >i almost forgot: THE BIG BOYS DON'T SEE A DIME!! (and you can bet that
: >just pisses them off)
Better yet, become a DJ at your college radio station, and dub a tape of
the promo CDs the labels send. That way, *they* pay _you_ to give you a
copy of their releases!;) Then, make copies for all of your friends.
Hell, dub it to DAT and bootleg the hell out of it! Then your favorite
alternaband that got signed to the major label will not make any money
and will be subsequently dropped from the label. Then this band will be
forced to go back to an indie label without any of their old songs.
They'll be forced to write all new songs. And America will be a
beautiful place to be. <obvious sarcasm>
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Laura Weislo
l...@rpiv.mc.duke.edu
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let's try and be just a little more ANTI-economic. who really give a left nut
about where you get a cd or tape from. i admit buying used is cheeper but why
try and boycott the shit?Don't resale record shops jack up the prices anyways?
Wednesday
i originally started this posting as a reply to something that was
written about something i wrote which was a reply to something someone
else wrote and then gina told terri on the playground that she thought
sherri was a slut and gina told phil who told all his friends who told
terri's boyfriend they were gonna kick his ass... maybe i'm just tired
but this thread is even beginning to annoy ME! and i've posted to it.
i can't imagine how annoyed all the people who tuned in to read about
HARDCORE are. i think this one's run it's course; let's put it to bed.
there's been a lot of postings that don't have anything to do with
anything: who started it? who's selling out? why am i a mysoginist if
i don't like VS?---and now i think it's just boiled down to one person
yelling at another (just another fine day on the net, i suppose) over
issues that have gotten pretty far removed from the subject of this
newsgroup. and i'm not pointing the finger; i've been less guilty than
some but more guilty than others. SO I'VE GOT A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT: if
you see any more postings under this heading by the owner of this
address (HE...@IX.NETCOM.COM) feel free to cross-post-flame me all the
way from alt.aardvarks to soc.ziegfeld (NO THERE'S NO ALT.AARDVARKS OR
SOC.ZIEGFELD, I MADE 'EM UP (OR DID I?---HA HA, MADE YOU LOOK!!!)); i'll
deserve it. shit, i'm not even gonna read 'em anymore. so don't bother
responding to this. i won't see it.
now: anybody seen the New Bomb Turks video on MTV? oh man, they sold
out, they got no integrity! they're just sucking up to the majors! AND
A NEW THREAD IS BORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jones
Peter Hicks
bbe...@Glue.umd.edu "GrayGhost" writes:
> well... I went to London for the Christmas break, and I find that
> something like what you just said has been done. there is a Radio
> station there that is own by a record company (Virgin) and they have
> advertisements all over the city...ack...(I didn't listen to the
> station, sorry, so I can't tell ya what they played.) They also have a
> bunch of record stores and my guess is that the station is nothing but a
> commerical advertisement for their stores. makes me want to go out
> and burn a store down....
Virgin also own an airline that flies from London to New York, L.A., San
Francisco and a host of other cities. I'm not sure whether they fly their
record stores abroad for summer breaks or not. Still, you could always try
burning down an airliner and see what staggers out of it...........
Thom Bone
Exactly. Stuff like this. Exactly what I was talking about.
Don't expect to see my name in alt.usenet.kooks anytime soon. :)
Thom Bone
>
>in a word:
>
>
>
> filibuster.
>
ROTFL!