Bono on the Grammy
L O C K space T H E space D O O R space F O R E V E R
"I think this award should go to Smashing Pumpkins...we are going to
continue to abuse our position to fuck up the mainstream."
--- that Bono guy
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stiffl...@wharton.upenn.edu
Does anyone out there know exactly what Bono said last night. I didn't watch
the grammys, and was infinitely grateful that I didn't when I happened to catch
the very end where the soundtrack to _The Bodyguard_ won best album, or record
of the year or something like that. All I know is that people were calling the
alternative radio station that I listen to all night and arguing about it. Not
that I really care, but I'd like to have a clue as to what they're bitching
about.
Darkhorse
I thought he said "Man, I really want to hear those Smashing Pumpkins"
or something to that effect. And then, "I have a message for the
children of America...We will continue to abuse our position and fuck up
the mainstream." Unfortunately I didn't catch his poem thing
introduction to Sonatra (damn! double damn!).
Wheee.....
Hannah
Dan Levy
alternative...Smashing Pumpkins should be playing stadiums..."
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Steve Carsello
> "I think this award should go to Smashing Pumpkins...we are going to
> continue to abuse our position to fuck up the mainstream."
> --- that Bono guy
I don't think he said that the award should go to the Pumpkins. He
said he'd like to see the Pumpkins play stadiums, which was just
sarcasm, because how could the best "alternative" band be playing
stadiums for seven years ? Anway, that award for best alternative
album has been around for three years. Who won it the other two
years ?? Anybody know ??
Rocco
Andrew J Norman
In a previous article, js4...@albnyvms.bitnet () says:
>In article <1994Mar2.1...@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, kko...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (L O C K space T H E space D O O R space F O R E V E R) writes:
>>
>>
>>"I think this award should go to Smashing Pumpkins...we are going to
>>continue to abuse our position to fuck up the mainstream."
>> --- that Bono guy
>>
>
> Ah yes, out of that whole lame awards show, there were two moments that were
>classic. They were, of course, the ones that featured Bono - no suprise to me.
>
>James
>
>
Ooh, mummy, the naughty man said a bad word!!! Mark E Smith got it right -
Jesus would have thrown bottles at U2. They are a corporate rock band
dabbling in art and rebellion because it helps them to shift units.
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Cliff Sherry
yeah right.
Cliff
Paul Routenburg
:
: I thought he said "Man, I really want to hear those Smashing Pumpkins"
: or something to that effect. And then, "I have a message for the
: children of America...We will continue to abuse our position and fuck up
: the mainstream." Unfortunately I didn't catch his poem thing
: introduction to Sonatra (damn! double damn!).
Hmmm. Let's see U2 sells millions of albums and almost every time I turn on
just about any radio station I'll probably hear a U2 song within about 20
minutes. Sounds pretty "mainstream" to me. Does Bozo (er, I mean Bono) mean
to suggest that he's planning to go fuck himself?
Don't get me wrong, I happen to actually like some U2 especially the first
3 albums and I thought Achtung Baby was excellent. However, just because I like
or dislike someone's music doesn't mean I can't think that they're a fucking
idiot!
Paul
THE DICEMAN
here's what the guy said(I got this from someone else!!)
To accept his award, Bono said:
"Yeah, alternative, right...
I wanna see the Smashing Pumpkins in the stadiums, anyway...
Since we started out the college music chart and the alternative music
chart's always been the most important chart for us and from 1980 until
about now we've done okay in those charts...
what else...
I think I'd like to give a message to the young people of America, and that
is that we shall continue to abuse our position and fuck up the mainstream!
God Bless you!"
Bono's speech for Frank Sinatra:
"Right...
Frank never did like rock'n'roll, and he's not crazy about guys wearin'
earrings either, but, uh, he doesn't hold it against me and anyway, the
feeling is not mutual. Rock'n'roll people love Frank Sinatra because Frank
Sinatra has got what we want: swagger and attitude. He's big on attitude.
Serious attitude, bad attitude. Frank's the Chairman of the Bad...wherever
he is (looks around). Rock'n'roll plays at being tough, but this guy, well,
he's the boss. The boss of bosses. The man. The big bang of pop. I'm not
gonna mess with him. Are you?
Who's this guy that every city in America wants to claim as their own? This
painter who lives in the desert. This first-rate, first-take actor. This
singer who makes other men poets, boxing clever with every word. Talkin'
like America: fast, straight-up, in headlines, coming through with the big
schtick, the aside, the quiet compliment. Good cop, bad cop, all in the
same breath. You know his story, 'cause it's your story. Frank walks like
America, cock-sure.
It's 1945 and the U.S. Cavalry are trying to get their asses out of Europe.
They never really do. They're part of another kind of invasion: AF4,
American Forces Radio, broadcasting music that'll curl the stiff upper lip
of England and the rest of the world. Paving the way for rock'n'roll with
jazz, Duke Ellington, the Big Band, Tommy Dorsey, and right out in front,
Frank Sinatra, his voice tight as a fist, opening at the end of a bar, not
on the beat, over it, playing with it, splitting it, like a jazz man, like
Miles Davis, turning on the right phrase, in the right song, which is where
he lives, where he lets go, where he reveals himself. His songs are his
home, and he lets you in. But you know, to sing like that, you got to have
lost a couple of fights. To know tenderness and romance, you got to have
had your heart broken.People say Frank hasn't talked to the press, they
want to know how he is, what's on his mind. But you know, Sinatra's out
there more nights than most punk bands, tellin' his story through the
songs. Telling and articulate in the choice of those songs. Private
thoughts on a public address system. Generous.
This is the conundrum of Frank Sinatra. Left and right brain hardly
talkin'. Boxer and painter. Actor and singer. Lover and father. Bandman and
loner. Troubleshooter and troublemaker. A champ who would rather show you
his scars than his medals. He may be putty in Barbara's hands, but I'm not
gonna mess with him, are you?
Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready to welcome a man heavier than the
empire state, more connected than the twin towers, as recognizable as the
statue of liberty, and living proof that God is a Catholic...will you
welcome the king of New York City...Francis Albert Sinatra!!!
There ya go hope that clears things up!!
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Just Brad.
alternative's presence. I remember thinking that Out of Time should have won best album and
Nevermind should have won the best alternative album.
Brad.
'If you don't have anything good to say... say it often.' -- Ed the Sock
js4...@albnyvms.bitnet
I don't think he was claiming that U2 wasn't mainstream, just that they are
in right position to help change what is in the mainstream. Whether you like U2
or not, you have to acknowledge that Zooropa is quite a strange album in many
ways (as was Achtung when it came out). U2 had no reason to change, if they
wanted to they could have kept making Joshua Tree albums and sold millions of
records. Instead they decided to try something new, and even lost some fans in
the process. I think this is what his "we'll continue to abuse are position and
fuck with the mainstream" statement meant. Is this at all clear? U2 is a band
big enough to do whatever they want.
James
JLBrown23
Bono is more full of shit or himself. That Sinatra crap made me want to vomit.
Here's a guy on the GRAMMYS the lamest, stupidist music awards show in
existence(Hey... let's give Eric Clapton and Billy Joel awards now, a decade or
two after they stopped being innovators!) kisssing the chairman of the boards
ASS, and he mocks their perception of alternative? I mean what the hell was
that cigarello deal? Gee Bono cigarellos are so cool! You must be the envy of
every 14 year old. I still like some of their music(good is good) but Bono can
be almost laughably pretenious.
Chris Wilson
<js4...@albnyvms.bitnet> wrote:
> I don't think he was claiming that U2 wasn't mainstream, just that they are
>in right position to help change what is in the mainstream. Whether you like U2
>or not, you have to acknowledge that Zooropa is quite a strange album in many
>ways (as was Achtung when it came out). U2 had no reason to change, if they
>wanted to they could have kept making Joshua Tree albums and sold millions of
>records. Instead they decided to try something new, and even lost some fans in
>the process. I think this is what his "we'll continue to abuse are position and
>fuck with the mainstream" statement meant. Is this at all clear? U2 is a band
>big enough to do whatever they want.
>
>James
I agree... As Bono said in an interview once: "We may have lost the pop
people, but we don't need them."
I don't think it's a matter of U2 trying/not trying to be alternative --
they just do their thing and every time they release a record, the mainstream
gets pushed just a little bit further away from what it's "supposed" to be.
That makes for a lot more good "alternative" bands (see: Counting Crows,
Crash-Test Dummies -- they probably would have been considered mainstream
a few years ago).
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captain sarcastic
>kko...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (L O C K space T H E space D O O R space F O R E V E R) writes:
>>"I think this award should go to Smashing Pumpkins...we are going to
>>continue to abuse our position to fuck up the mainstream."
>> --- that Bono guy
>I thought he said "Man, I really want to hear those Smashing Pumpkins"
>or something to that effect. And then, "I have a message for the
>children of America...We will continue to abuse our position and fuck up
>the mainstream." Unfortunately I didn't catch his poem thing
>introduction to Sonatra (damn! double damn!).
Sorry about the slight changes in sentence structure, I ran what he said
through my built-in Arrogant Irishman to American conversion module.
Also those little "..." things mean that some stuff is left out there.
Really.
But I could have *sworn* that he said he thought that SP should have got
the thing. Hmm. I could be mistaken, but that's pretty rare.
>Wheee.....
>Hannah
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Robert Kudla
>stadiums for seven years ? Anway, that award for best alternative
>album has been around for three years. Who won it the other two
>years ?? Anybody know ??
I think last year it was Tom Waits.... imagine that, someone who plays
REALLY different music getting an alternative grammy. Of course, he's
been around forever too, but it wasn't the best new artist award, it
was the best alternative artist award.
Now that alternative is just another classification like heavy metal
(didn't Jethro Tull win that the first time it was offered? talk about
not listening to the records they give awards for....) and disco, I'm
sure we can count on the award going to the flavor of the week from
now on. I'm sure Sound Temple Pearljam will do very well next year
with whatever product they can manufacture for a second album.
Rob
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captain sarcastic
>Someone wrote:
>:
>: I thought he said "Man, I really want to hear those Smashing Pumpkins"
>: or something to that effect. And then, "I have a message for the
>: children of America...We will continue to abuse our position and fuck up
>: the mainstream." Unfortunately I didn't catch his poem thing
>: introduction to Sonatra (damn! double damn!).
>:
> Hmmm. Let's see U2 sells millions of albums and almost every time I turn on
>just about any radio station I'll probably hear a U2 song within about 20
>minutes. Sounds pretty "mainstream" to me. Does Bozo (er, I mean Bono) mean
>to suggest that he's planning to go fuck himself?
I think it was big time irony and sarcasm. They won the award for like
best alternative album. he was saying, "yeah, and we're gonna keep
fucking up the mainstream" and it was damned funny.
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Rick Horan
Very well put Andrew!
U2 is mainstream. So are they gonna f'up themselves? I hope so!
Whats the difference between U2 and NKTOB? NONE except the record label!
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Rajappa Iyer
I have to completely agree with this and couldn't have put it better
myself!
I mean who are we kidding here? Bono should have stopped his speech at
`Alternative, yeah...' and anybody who has brains in any place other
than where they sit would have got the message. The Sinatra speech was
so crappy it made me wanna puke.
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|> In article <2l5106$9...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, dm...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrew J Norman) writes:
|> >
|> > Ooh, mummy, the naughty man said a bad word!!! Mark E Smith got it right -
|> > Jesus would have thrown bottles at U2. They are a corporate rock band
|> > dabbling in art and rebellion because it helps them to shift units.
|> > --
|> > /*****************************************************
|> > * Andrew Norman n...@le.ac.uk *
|> > * Engineering Dept, University of Leicester, England *
|> > *****************************************************/
|>
|> Very well put Andrew!
|>
|> U2 is mainstream. So are they gonna f'up themselves? I hope so!
|> Whats the difference between U2 and NKTOB? NONE except the record label!
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Mind you, I sold all my U2 albums off 6 years ago, but I do believe the guys
deserve a little credit. Their sound has progressed - they haven't entirely
locked into the groove of anthemic vague portentious vocals over echoey guitar,
as they were in danger of doing in 88 or so. They're introducing classic rock
dullards to the more expansive possibilities of dance production, etc.
Hopefully those fans will take the next step. They've been reading their Guy
Debord and William Gibson, and are well aware of their self-parody.
Yes, overwrought sincerity shifted units in the 80's and now irony reigns the
marketing department, but numerous less commercially successful acts favored
on this list are trying to push the same generational buttons.
Like R.E.M., their guaranteed fan base permits them to play with their formula.
That's something that the regressive groups of the present garage orthodoxy
haven't bothered themselves with. Also, like R.E.M., they've consistantly used
the pulpit to espouse a number of lesser known bands. In fact, I remain
sympathetic to these millionaires precisely because they plugged some of my
fave groups (My Bloody Valentine, etc.) in interviews. Most importantly, with
a few notable slips, they sound like no one but themselves.
Darryl
Run to your nearest noise emporium and but Slowdive - Souvlalki!
stve.blAMMO!
>deserve a little credit. Their sound has progressed - they haven't entirely
>locked into the groove of anthemic vague portentious vocals over echoey guitar,
>as they were in danger of doing in 88 or so. They're introducing classic rock
>dullards to the more expansive possibilities of dance production, etc.
>Hopefully those fans will take the next step. They've been reading their Guy
>Debord and William Gibson, and are well aware of their self-parody.
>
>Yes, overwrought sincerity shifted units in the 80's and now irony reigns the
>marketing department, but numerous less commercially successful acts favored
>on this list are trying to push the same generational buttons.
>
>Like R.E.M., their guaranteed fan base permits them to play with their formula.
>That's something that the regressive groups of the present garage orthodoxy
>haven't bothered themselves with. Also, like R.E.M., they've consistantly used
>the pulpit to espouse a number of lesser known bands. In fact, I remain
>sympathetic to these millionaires precisely because they plugged some of my
>fave groups (My Bloody Valentine, etc.) in interviews. Most importantly, with
>a few notable slips, they sound like no one but themselves.
>
>Darryl
a very good point for those of us searching for reasons to support
these bands. for me it is difficult to trust these guys (rem,u2) now cause for
one, they make so much money that they seem corrupted by it. and two, their
music has suffered since their "early stuff" and reinforces my first problem.
however, they do support smaller groups. u2 had primus, the pixies, etc.
tour with them. didn't smashing pump's tour with them too? rem does the same
thing. rem also has tried to get a taste of the small club scene again by
appearing under an alias- bingo handjob - with billy bragg and other folx. so
they aren't all bad. plus. remember it isn't their fault. they just made really
good music for a time and a lot of people liked it.
stve.
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