cranberries - "The Icicle Melts" question
Philly K
or am I just crazy. My friend is convinced it is about child abuse.
pjk
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"I weep for the death of the spirit and the soul." - Tom Servo
Rochelle Mazar
> Someboduy please back me up here. Is "The Icicle Melts" a pro-life song
> or am I just crazy. My friend is convinced it is about child abuse.
> pjk
It never occurred to me that it might be a pro-life song. I thought it was
about a child who was abducted or something, maybe right after his birth, and
the pain that his mother was enduring. But granted I wasn't listening all
that closely. What convinces you that it's a pro-life song? "9 months is
too long..." I'll go listen to it again and get back to you on this. You
have intrigued me. :>
Rochelle
Mathew Cucuzella
>
>Someboduy please back me up here. Is "The Icicle Melts" a pro-life song
>or am I just crazy. My friend is convinced it is about child abuse.
>pjk
I don't think you can tell from the lyrics. But the phrase, "When a
child, he was taken away" seems to point to your side. Also the
references to 9 months would not apply if it was discussing abortion.
Maybe it is even about bring a child to term for other couples
(i.e. womb rental :-).
-mat
Rochelle Mazar
okay, i listened to the song again, and i was thinking about this...the
person in question reads in the paper something about a child being "taken
away". now, the thing that makes me think that it's not a pro-life song,
this is of couse IMO, is the fact that it says "HE was taken away". if a
child was aborted, i don't think you would know that it was a he, would
you? i assumed that it was a kid who was born. i still figure it's about a
newborn who was taken and killed..."how could you hurt a child?" i assumed
that the "9 months is too long" was referring to the maternal bond...which
i thought, when i first heard it, was a really beautiful way to put
it...it seems to me that the song's anger is not directed at the mother or
an abortionist, but at an unknown, unseen force...the characters in the
song are in mourning. i'm sure you can still argue for this as a pro-life
song...please go ahead. this is interesting.
Rochelle
G Lynch
taken away cause 9 months was too long.' seems to outline delores' stance.
Rochelle Mazar
> i think it is clearly an anti choice song. the lyric 'a child he was
> taken away cause 9 months was too long.' seems to outline delores' stance.
hmmmm....i didn't get that he was taken away because nine months was too
long...but i'll listen again.
mar...@erinet.com
It's been a while since I listened to this song, but I remeber
thinking that it was a pro-life song.
I am a little curious as to why every one seems to be a bit shocked
that a band would release a pro-life song. Is there a clause in the
alternative rock contract that says everyone has to be in favor of
abortion? After all the Cranberrries are from Ireland, a country
where a very large amount of the population disapproves of abortion.
wil
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>
> It's been a while since I listened to this song, but I remeber
> thinking that it was a pro-life song.
> I am a little curious as to why every one seems to be a bit shocked
> that a band would release a pro-life song. Is there a clause in the
> alternative rock contract that says everyone has to be in favor of
> abortion? After all the Cranberrries are from Ireland, a country
> where a very large amount of the population disapproves of abortion.
>
>
>
I just want to point out that because a person doesn't side with pro-life
doesn't mean that they are for abortion. I'm definitely not for the
pro-life movement, but I am also not for the pro-choice movement either.
I just don't agree with either side completely.
gotta flow Joe - ketchup later,
wil
Rannie Turingan - ECHE/W95
You are all WRONG....... like i said before.....
The song is about a childs death in liverpool... a few years back
he was killed by a bomb set by the IRA.....
thus the song was written to comment on how the innocent are dying
because of the battle between the UK and northern Ireland...
Dolores even said so.. in a interview with MUCH MUSIC...
ROOT...@worldnet.att.net
> I am a little curious as to why every one seems to be a bit shocked
>that a band would release a pro-life song. Is there a clause in the
>alternative rock contract that says everyone has to be in favor of
>abortion? After all the Cranberrries are from Ireland, a country
>where a very large amount of the population disapproves of abortion.
plus, in rolling stone awhile ago, delores said outright that she was against
abortion.
Lena Liberman
: In article <pjk-090496...@dial1-9.cybercom.net>, p...@cybercom.net says...
: >
: >Someboduy please back me up here. Is "The Icicle Melts" a pro-life song
: >or am I just crazy. My friend is convinced it is about child abuse.
: >pjk
: I don't think you can tell from the lyrics. But the phrase, "When a
: child, he was taken away" seems to point to your side. Also the
: references to 9 months would not apply if it was discussing abortion.
: Maybe it is even about bring a child to term for other couples
: (i.e. womb rental :-).
: -mat
ms. o'riordan is indeed pro-life as she feels that abortion degrades women.
she reveals this point-blank in her rolling stone interview (march 23, 1995
issue). very interesting stuff, especially when one takes her irish-catholic
background into account. check it out. it's last year's college issue with
dolores on the cover.
-Lena
<Dmmij<-
>In article <pjk-090496...@dial1-9.cybercom.net>, p...@cybercom.net says...
>>
>>Someboduy please back me up here. Is "The Icicle Melts" a pro-life song
>>or am I just crazy. My friend is convinced it is about child abuse.
>>pjk
>
>I don't think you can tell from the lyrics. But the phrase, "When a
>child, he was taken away" seems to point to your side. Also the
>references to 9 months would not apply if it was discussing abortion
True enough, except that the complete line is "9 months is too long,"
which would seem to support the original poster.
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"God is on both sides -
That's what makes the game of life so interesting."
fSv
Helena143
As the proud owner of an advance copy of To the Faithful Departed, I must
let you in on all the info I can regarding their new CD.
First of all, it's really good.
Second, here's the track list (in the order they appear on the album):
Hollywood, Salvation, When You're Gone, Free to Decide, War Child, Forever
Yellow Skies (sounds just like U2's In God's Country), The Rebels, I Just
Shot John Lennon, Electric Blue, I'm Still Remembering, Will You
Remember?, Joe, Bosnia.
Third, the silly Dolores & Co. decided not to include the lyrics on this
one. Why do bands do that? THAT really pisses me off.
Also, the design of the album kind of sucks.
But overall, although most the songs are very political, the album is a
masterpiece.
CyberBoy
It's funny, the album is getting very different reviews among people. I
wouldn't call it a "masterpiece", it's not as good as "Everybody Else..." but
i might like it slightly more than NNTA. If it's lyrics you want, you can
get them at my homepage, if you want to go straight to the lyrics page, here
is the URL:
http://www.dragonfire.net/deanjp/lyrics.html
BTW Forever Yellow Skies rocks!
=D
Dean
Brian Glidden
In article <4ljh2h$g...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, rma...@chat.carleton.ca
says...
>
>G Lynch (XZQ...@prodigy.com) wrote:
>> i think it is clearly an anti choice song. the lyric 'a child he was
>> taken away cause 9 months was too long.' seems to outline delores' stance.
>
>hmmmm....i didn't get that he was taken away because nine months was too
>long...but i'll listen again.
>
>
"She'll hold him in her arms some time, cause 9 month is too long..."
This song was written for the little boy in England who was kidnapped beat up
and thrown if front of a train(Jamie Bulger i believe his name was). It has
nothing to do with the choice/no choice arguement.
-Brian
Clinton Neeson
I have to agree with you on the fact that the new cranberries album is a
work of pure genious.Also the fact that bands arent printing the lyrics
of their songs any more is just fucked! I personally dont have any
trouble understanding what the fabulous miss O'Riorden is saying but that
is only because I am Irish but nearly all of my friends cant understand
what she is saying,but thats besides the point the fact of the matter is
that shitty cover shots or not any album/single by the cranberries is
excellent.
Im going to see th cranberries in July if you like i will e-mail you and
tell you how it was
jerrycs...@gmail.com
> i think it is clearly an anti choice song. the lyric 'a child he was
> taken away cause 9 months was too long.' seems to outline delores' stance.
flynn...@gmail.com
wardsa...@gmail.com
pamela.d...@gmail.com
clairem...@gmail.com
> So it's about two children? One that died before it was born and another one that was murdered? Doesn't it make more sense that the song was about one child? A child that died before it was born AND was murdered? So an abortion? Delores had spoken pretty openly against abortion.
Dolores was quoted as saying that the song was originally titled "The Liverpool Child" and that the song was about "that child that was abducted. I was so moved by that case." (Both mentioned in an interview published in Hot Press on January 26, 1994). She went on in 1995 to talk about how much she loves children, and how she couldn't understand how people could harm them.
That is why in the song she speaks directly to the boys that hurt Bulger, "How could you hurt a child?" and mentions the newscasting ("I should not have read the paper today") on the murder as it was INTENSELY covered in the UK, and the murders are still in witness protection/under assigned identities to this day.
As for the verse that seems to make people think it's about abortion, I understand the lyrics like this:
There’s a place for the baby that died {heaven}
And there’s a time for the mother who cried {probably when she is alone, not in front of the cameras or in a place that can give the killers satisfaction}
And she will hold him in her arms sometime {she will be reunited with him one day, when her time comes}
Cause nine months is too long, too long, too long {nine months is too long to wait to have your baby taken from you so young, she didn't even get to see her child grow up.}
sabrina...@gmail.com
> Someboduy please back me up here. Is "The Icicle Melts" a pro-life song
> or am I just crazy. My friend is convinced it is about child abuse.
> pjk
>
> "I weep for the death of the spirit and the soul." - Tom Servo
In an interview published in Hot Press on 26 January 1994, Dolores explained that she has written a song about “that child that was abducted. I was so moved by that case“