Why we hate Alanis
hni...@juno.com
Apparently, the fans of Alanis Morissette that are readers of
related newsgroups feel that all of those that dislike her hate
without reason. That is simply not true. This article is intended not to
change minds but only to state facts.
Most people know that Alanis was in a Canadian sketch comedy
show for kids called You Can't do that on Television when she was ten
years old. This means that she was a child actress. That typically
entails a life sheltered from the outside world yet riddled with emo-
tional scars. Her childhood, in unknowing preparation for her current
musical career, gave her a deep well of experience for her lyrics but
a shallow and unoriginal mindset.
Another well-known fact about Ms. Morrisette is that she was a
radio- and TV-friendly pop star in the mid- to late-1980s. This gives
her something in common with Tiffany or Paula Abdul in the sense of
their style of music, but more with Janet Jackson, who changed her
style and appearance to appeal to today's popular culture.
What Alanis's detractors despise most about her is her target
audience: girls under the age of 15. Those more mature than that have
a very hard time relating to the gross cliches and childish ranting of
Jagged Little Pill.
I hope that clears up any confusion the fans of the pointer
out of insipid, contrived ironies may have had. Any feedback on this
essay may be posted on alt.music.alanis.morissette or e.mailed to
hni...@juno.com.
--Heroin Ninja
(Million $ Wedgie)
hurray for you, I couldnt have done better myself about this years
debbie gibson. schlock pop culture is still schlock pop culture.
Edo Engel
I'm afraid you do not only state facts, but you draw your conclusions as
well, my perceptive friend.
--
Edo
"Ich will nicht ins Paradies,
Wenn der Weg dorthin so schwierig ist"
Jack A. Zucker
hni...@juno.com wrote:
>
> Apparently, the fans of Alanis Morissette that are readers of
> related newsgroups feel that all of those that dislike her hate
Oh come on. Alternative music makes big bucks. It's all pop music.
You're fooling yourself if you think that the "real" alternative
artists are starving musicians. I've said this many times but if
you want to support starving musicians, go support the jazz scene.
Even the guys who've "made it" in jazz often can't afford a house
or a car.
-Jaz
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Ken Potts
In <31D7AF...@gwis.com> "Jack A. Zucker" <j...@gwis.com> writes:
>
>hni...@juno.com wrote:
>>
>> Apparently, the fans of Alanis Morissette that are readers
of
>> related newsgroups feel that all of those that dislike her hate
>> without reason. That is simply not true. ...
>
>Oh come on. Alternative music makes big bucks. It's all pop music.
>You're fooling yourself if you think that the "real" alternative
>artists are starving musicians. I've said this many times but if
>you want to support starving musicians, go support the jazz scene.
>Even the guys who've "made it" in jazz often can't afford a house
>or a car.
>
>-Jaz
>
the original post that he replied to.
Jason Riley
On 30 Jun 1996 19:47:01 GMT, hni...@juno.com wrote:
> Apparently, the fans of Alanis Morissette that are readers of
>related newsgroups feel that all of those that dislike her hate
>without reason. That is simply not true. This article is intended not to
>change minds but only to state facts.
> Most people know that Alanis was in a Canadian sketch comedy
>show for kids called You Can't do that on Television when she was ten
>years old. This means that she was a child actress. That typically
>entails a life sheltered from the outside world yet riddled with emo-
>tional scars. Her childhood, in unknowing preparation for her current
>musical career, gave her a deep well of experience for her lyrics but
>a shallow and unoriginal mindset.
> Another well-known fact about Ms. Morrisette is that she was a
>radio- and TV-friendly pop star in the mid- to late-1980s. This gives
>her something in common with Tiffany or Paula Abdul in the sense of
>their style of music, but more with Janet Jackson, who changed her
>style and appearance to appeal to today's popular culture.
> What Alanis's detractors despise most about her is her target
>audience: girls under the age of 15. Those more mature than that have
>a very hard time relating to the gross cliches and childish ranting of
>Jagged Little Pill.
> I hope that clears up any confusion the fans of the pointer
>out of insipid, contrived ironies may have had. Any feedback on this
>essay may be posted on alt.music.alanis.morissette or e.mailed to
>hni...@juno.com.
> --Heroin Ninja
And don't forget about the claws-on-chalkboard grating sound issuing
from her mouth.
Leland P. Erickson
hni...@juno.com wrote:
#1 alanis was pop in early ninties 91-92
#2 you are full of shit
#3 have a nice day:)
basilisk
On 2 Jul 1996, Leland P. Erickson wrote:
> hni...@juno.com wrote:
>
> > Apparently, the fans of Alanis Morissette that are readers of
> >related newsgroups feel that all of those that dislike her hate
> >without reason. That is simply not true. This article is intended not to
> >change minds but only to state facts.
Sounds more like you're stating on opinion.
> > Most people know that Alanis was in a Canadian
sketch comedy
> >show for kids called You Can't do that on Television when she was ten
> >years old. This means that she was a child actress. That typically
> >entails a life sheltered from the outside world yet riddled with emo-
> >tional scars. Her childhood, in unknowing preparation for her current
> >musical career, gave her a deep well of experience for her lyrics but
> >a shallow and unoriginal mindset.
I knew all about this, and she has talked about it in interviews. It
seems that her parents always supported her and didn't push her into
show business; it was her decision (in case you wanted to know).
> > Another
well-known fact about Ms. Morrisette is that she was a
> >radio- and TV-friendly pop star in the mid- to late-1980s. This gives
> >her something in common with Tiffany or Paula Abdul in the sense of
> >their style of music, but more with Janet Jackson, who changed her
> >style and appearance to appeal to today's popular culture.
People change all the time in the music business. Whether they do it to
keep up with culture or whether they themselves have changed doesn't
matter; you need to realize people are in the music business to make
money. ANd hopefully they make money doing what they love doing, and
it's obvious to me that Alanis loves what she is doing.
> > What Alanis's
detractors despise most about her is her target
> >audience: girls under the age of 15. Those more mature than that have
> >a very hard time relating to the gross cliches and childish ranting of
> >Jagged Little Pill.
Oh, this is really funny. I just went to her concert about a week ago,
and I did see those girls under 15, but I also saw people of both genders
in their twneties, thirties, and forties. Maybe there were more women
than men, but there weren't just teenyboppers there.
> > I hope that
clears up any confusion the fans of the pointer
> >out of insipid, contrived ironies may have had. Any feedback on this
> >essay may be posted on alt.music.alanis.morissette or e.mailed to
> >hni...@juno.com.
> > --Heroin Ninja
I thought people hated her because they simply don't like her voice or
her music. Silly me. They have to have some "higher reason" or somesuch
mumbojumbo. I think not.
Amy
Jack A. Zucker
Ken Potts wrote:
> >
> I just want to know what Jaz's response has to do with the portion of
> the original post that he replied to.
The original post implied that somehow because Alanis had some
degree of popular success, that she was perhaps not worthy of
the "alternative" label or perhaps she had sold out.
...Or maybe I simply misunderstood. :-)
that abby girl
basilisk <amy...@imap1.asu.edu> wrote:
<stuff about disliking alanis cut>
>I thought people hated her because they simply don't like her voice or
>her music. Silly me. They have to have some "higher reason" or somesuch
>mumbojumbo. I think not.
i disagree. i think people are very capable of disliking music for reasons
other than what the music actually sounds like- i know if i don't
appreciate the personal integrity of the artist or don't think they have
experience to sing about what they're singing about, or if i don't agree
with their positions on certain issues or things they discuss in
interviews and such, i won't like their music. and no, that's not a
"mumbojumbo" reason, i simply can't enjoy music knowing that i don't
respect the artist that created it.
abby.
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way beyond the pale
hni...@juno.com
ed...@cs.vu.nl (Edo Engel) wrote:
>
> hni...@juno.com wrote:
> : Apparently, the fans of Alanis Morissette that are readers of
> : related newsgroups feel that all of those that dislike her hate
> : without reason. That is simply not true. This article is intended not to
> : change minds but only to state facts.
> : show for kids called You Can't do that on Television when she was ten
> : years old. This means that she was a child actress. That typically
> : entails a life sheltered from the outside world yet riddled with emo-
> : tional scars. Her childhood, in unknowing preparation for her current
> : musical career, gave her a deep well of experience for her lyrics but
> : a shallow and unoriginal mindset.
> : radio- and TV-friendly pop star in the mid- to late-1980s. This gives
> : her something in common with Tiffany or Paula Abdul in the sense of
> : their style of music, but more with Janet Jackson, who changed her
> : style and appearance to appeal to today's popular culture.
> : audience: girls under the age of 15. Those more mature than that have
> : a very hard time relating to the gross cliches and childish ranting of
> : Jagged Little Pill.
> : essay may be posted on alt.music.alanis.morissette or e.mailed to
> : hni...@juno.com.
>
> well, my perceptive friend.
>
> --
> Edo
>
> "Ich will nicht ins Paradies,
> Wenn der Weg dorthin so schwierig ist"
That's very very true.
hni...@juno.com
> #1 alanis was pop in early ninties 91-92
> #2 you are full of shit
> #3 have a nice day:)
>
Y'know, I'd really like to thank you for pointing out the error in my
piece, as well as informing me of my impending bowel movement (that's
VERY important). And I *will* have a nice day!
Edo Engel
hni...@juno.com wrote:
: > I'm afraid you do not only state facts, but you draw your conclusions as
: > well, my perceptive friend.
: That's very very true.
So why do you say: "This article is intended not to change minds but only to
state facts." I do not want to accuse you of trying to change minds. What I
do like to state is that drawing conclusions and "only stating facts" are not
the same.
CarlGL
For someone who hates Alanis you did alot of research. Maybe you should
get a life. Sorry I know the phrase is overused but it applies so well
here.
George Hafner
i would have to disagree.
muscians are there to make music, not friendships.
you shouldn't dislike a muscian because of the person because you don't
know them truly. If you don't like it because of the sound thats fine but
to judge a person you really don't know anything about is wrong.
and what mtv portrays of a muscian dosn't mean shit.
pill by pill.
dwash
hni...@juno.com wrote:
> Apparently, the fans of Alanis Morissette that are readers of
>related newsgroups feel that all of those that dislike her hate
>without reason. That is simply not true. This article is intended not to
>change minds but only to state facts.
> Most people know that Alanis was in a Canadian sketch comedy
>show for kids called You Can't do that on Television when she was ten
>years old. This means that she was a child actress. That typically
>entails a life sheltered from the outside world yet riddled with emo-
>tional scars. Her childhood, in unknowing preparation for her current
>musical career, gave her a deep well of experience for her lyrics but
>a shallow and unoriginal mindset.
> Another well-known fact about Ms. Morrisette is that she was a
>radio- and TV-friendly pop star in the mid- to late-1980s. This gives
>her something in common with Tiffany or Paula Abdul in the sense of
>their style of music, but more with Janet Jackson, who changed her
>style and appearance to appeal to today's popular culture.
> What Alanis's detractors despise most about her is her target
>audience: girls under the age of 15. Those more mature than that have
>a very hard time relating to the gross cliches and childish ranting of
>Jagged Little Pill.
> I hope that clears up any confusion the fans of the pointer
>out of insipid, contrived ironies may have had. Any feedback on this
>essay may be posted on alt.music.alanis.morissette or e.mailed to
>hni...@juno.com.
> --Heroin Ninja
To be honest I was happy to read this article. Not just an article
from an Alanis-hater full of only cursewords, but with an
explanation...
(although the explanation comes down to : it's all very commercial)
NOT that I agree with it.
I do love Jagged Little Pill.
I am not particurlarly fond of alternative music, but when I listened
to the lyrics of this album, I thought they were brilliant.
I still do think that. To me they appeal to be sincere and I really
can identify with some of them.
About Alanis' past I don't know anything, I've just seen \ read one or
two interviews and that was about this album. I don't care much either
about it or (other) gossip. But I'm interested in her comments on the
songs of jlp.
one last thing: here, the people I met who bought her album are from
my university and all over 18.......
(and yes sure people of 15 buy the album to, but the ones I know who
did, didn't really understand much of the language (and that's not
because of the languagebarrier))
R.L
CyberBoy
>one last thing: here, the people I met who bought her album are from
>my university and all over 18.......
>(and yes sure people of 15 buy the album to, but the ones I know who
>did, didn't really understand much of the language (and that's not
>because of the languagebarrier))
>
>R.L
>
>ros...@dds.nl
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Surely these 15 year olds you speak of that don't "understand much of the
language" had some kind of learning disability or were mentally retarded.
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I think she has some talent as a songwriter, but I cant stand her voice,
her production, and her band....It would be good If a better singer and
band played her music.....
BRIGHT MARTIN-LOUIS
I also think she has talent as a songwriter. I like the music in most of
the songs, even though a few songs are EXTREMELY annoying. And yes I would
have to concur: I dislike her voice tremendously.
Martin
dwash
dea...@ix.netcom.com (CyberBoy) wrote:
>In article <4rkdlf$h...@news.knoware.nl>, ros...@dds.nl wrote:
>>one last thing: here, the people I met who bought her album are from
>>my university and all over 18.......
>>(and yes sure people of 15 buy the album too, but the ones I know who
>>did, didn't really understand much of the language (and that's not
>>because of the languagebarrier))
>>
>>R.L
>>
>>ros...@dds.nl
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>Surely these 15 year olds you speak of that don't "understand much of the
>language" had some kind of learning disability or were mentally retarded.
Before you draw these fast conclusions you could've looked first at my
e-mail address and concluded that I was writing from the Netherlands
(Holland), Europe. Here our first language ain't English.
I'm sure my English (and the English spoken by most people here) is
much better than your Dutch...
And in this case with language I didn't really mean the language
itself but what is behind the words...
J. W. Wells
BRIGHT MARTIN-LOUIS (bri...@ecf.toronto.edu) wrote:
I thought she AND Glen Ballard wrote all of the songs.
There have been arguments querying the amount of the songwriting
she actually did. It could have been Glen 90%, Alanis 10%.
Glen Ballard is already an accomplished songwriter, but not in the alt.
field of writing.
J. W.
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Jack A. Zucker
dwash wrote:
> And in this case with language I didn't really mean the language
> itself but what is behind the words...
It's hard to imagine people not knowing what "wine dine-me,69-me"
means but I can understand if English is their 2nd language.
(Million $ Wedgie)
On 4 Jul 1996 20:43:53 GMT, George Hafner <HAI...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
Having met my share of muscians I would have to say you should restate
as "10 or 15% of muscians are there to make music." The other 85%
just want to ger laid, make money, spout their stupid opinions, have
every one they know or meet look at them and say "muscian", get free
beer for playing shows, are geeks who droped out of society and do it
because they dont like sci fi books, I could name many more but you
get the picture.
I dont have a problem with people doing any of these things so feel
free not to try and out smart me by saying "oh yea smart guy how
about...
personaly I did for free beer and to get laid, I get free beer more
often.
CyberBoy
In article <4rpch1$a...@news.knoware.nl>, ros...@dds.nl wrote:
>dea...@ix.netcom.com (CyberBoy) wrote:
>
>>In article <4rkdlf$h...@news.knoware.nl>, ros...@dds.nl wrote:
>
>>>one last thing: here, the people I met who bought her album are from
>>>my university and all over 18.......
>>>(and yes sure people of 15 buy the album too, but the ones I know who
>>>did, didn't really understand much of the language (and that's not
>>>because of the languagebarrier))
>>Surely these 15 year olds you speak of that don't "understand much of the
>>language" had some kind of learning disability or were mentally retarded.
>
>Before you draw these fast conclusions you could've looked first at my
>e-mail address and concluded that I was writing from the Netherlands
>(Holland), Europe. Here our first language ain't English.
>I'm sure my English (and the English spoken by most people here) is
>much better than your Dutch...
>
>itself but what is behind the words...
Ahem, I looked at your e-mail address and wasn't going to "draw this fast
conclusion," but then I noticed you wrote "and that's not because of the
language barrier," and so I drew my conclusion
happy day
;)
Ghosting
In article <31E058...@gwis.com>, j...@gwis.com scribbled...
>
>>It's hard to imagine people not knowing what "wine dine-me,69-me"
>means but I can understand if English is their 2nd language.
>
Clinton Kirby
i, too, hate alanis. i hate even more the widespread acceptance that has
been granted to her by mtv and every by-the-book "alternative" radio
station.
if YOU wrote a song that said "i'm drunk but i'm sober/i'm brave but i'm
chickenshit", etc. that any critic would let you get away with that? it's
lazy writing, it's formulaic, it's the kind of lyrics i wrote in junior
high, yet it sells millions of records. bizarre!
in "ironic", at the beginning and end of the song, her voice is pleasant
enough, but then she has to break into that horrid shriek like a rabbit
being clubbed over the head. it's so affected and put-on and strident.
anyway, thanks for letting me get that off my chest. by the way, who the
fuck is nada surf?
larry ward
I just do. She whines.
Kevin Chan
Nada Surf's the band that sings the song "Popular", which is getting played all time on MTv and
stuff...
Kevin
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Dave Goldwag
For those of you who might like a "mature" Alanis I suggest you check out
a new artist "JenX" Their CD is available by e-mail at
Umbo...@aol.com. The band is led by a vocalist who sounds like a
mature Alanis and the tunes deal with many contemporary issues.
BRIGHT MARTIN-LOUIS
On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Clinton Kirby wrote:
> in "ironic", at the beginning and end of the song, her voice is pleasant
> enough, but then she has to break into that horrid shriek like a rabbit
> being clubbed over the head. it's so affected and put-on and strident.
>
> anyway, thanks for letting me get that off my chest. by the way, who the
> fuck is nada surf?
>
Yeah. There's also that annoying harmonica that pops in occasionally
and that sounds like a broken accordian or bagpipe "pisswater" , for lack
of a better expression. Don't know who nada surf is.
Martin
Dale Hogg
BRIGHT MARTIN-LOUIS (bri...@ecf.toronto.edu) wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Jul 1996, Brandon Perlow wrote:
> > I think she has some talent as a songwriter, but I cant stand her voice,
> > her production, and her band....It would be good If a better singer and
> > band played her music.....
> >
> >
> I also think she has talent as a songwriter. I like the music in most of
> the songs, even though a few songs are EXTREMELY annoying. And yes I would
> have to concur: I dislike her voice tremendously.
-I think her co-writer has most of the talent, Alanis just has an
incredible amount of good fortune...imagine...Mariah Carey going from
lolli-pop star to grunge-lite queen and both Rolling Stone and Spin
letting her get away with it
I can see it now, in the year 2525...'from K-Tel, the hits of the
mid-1990's, starring Oasis, Gin Blossoms, Collective Soul and Canada's
very own ALANIS'
to think, I am now sitting about half a mile from where she attended
high-school...personally, I liked Alanis much more when she had really BIG
hair
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Dave Goldwag (dgol...@got.net) wrote:
: For those of you who might like a "mature" Alanis I suggest you check out
: Umbo...@aol.com. The band is led by a vocalist who sounds like a
: mature Alanis and the tunes deal with many contemporary issues.
Sure, right. Can't imagine that a band with the name "JenX" could be too
contrived. No... not at all.
--
Rick
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Ponch
As each new Alanis single or video is released, it becomes
clearer that she lacks talent and a voice. "You Oughta Know" was a good
song, but each new song is getting worse and worse. The melody and
Alanis's voice in "You Learn" are just terrible. The only other artist
I know of who seems to get worse and worse is Mariah Carey.
Stark
ros...@dds.nl (dwash) wrote:
>hni...@juno.com wrote:
>To be honest I was happy to read this article. Not just an article
>from an Alanis-hater full of only cursewords, but with an
>explanation...
>(although the explanation comes down to : it's all very commercial)
>NOT that I agree with it.
>I do love Jagged Little Pill.
>I am not particurlarly fond of alternative music, but when I listened
>to the lyrics of this album, I thought they were brilliant.
>I still do think that. To me they appeal to be sincere and I really
>can identify with some of them.
>About Alanis' past I don't know anything, I've just seen \ read one or
>two interviews and that was about this album. I don't care much either
>about it or (other) gossip. But I'm interested in her comments on the
>songs of jlp.
>one last thing: here, the people I met who bought her album are from
>my university and all over 18.......
>(and yes sure people of 15 buy the album to, but the ones I know who
>did, didn't really understand much of the language (and that's not
>because of the languagebarrier))
>R.L
Why do people think that just because somebody has recorded a certain
type of music, they have to stick with that for the rest of their
career? My god, if every musician thought like that we wouldn't have
had Queen for instance. I've read interview with Alanis and she
claims that at such a young impressionable age she was co-erced into
making those poppy albums. I've not heard them so I can't comment on
their quality but I don't care for Paula Abdul of Tiffany so I can
imagine that I would feel the same. However, it does not really
bother what she has done before. I care about what she is doing now.
People are allowed to develop and grow. As people and musicians.
It's called growing up.
Matt
Jack A. Zucker
Stark wrote:
> People are allowed to develop and grow. As people and musicians.
> It's called growing up.
>
Thank you brother ! (I still think Alanis needs some harmonica lessons)
Leo Loh
well to tell you the truth Alanis totally RULZ!!!!!!! (NOT) I mean she
should get a life and Michael Jackson shouldn't of signed her in the
first place. She is a try hard in every possible way there is.
Clinton Kirby <kir...@brutus.datastar.net> wrote:
>i, too, hate alanis. i hate even more the widespread acceptance that has
>been granted to her by mtv and every by-the-book "alternative" radio
>station.
>if YOU wrote a song that said "i'm drunk but i'm sober/i'm brave but i'm
>chickenshit", etc. that any critic would let you get away with that? it's
>lazy writing, it's formulaic, it's the kind of lyrics i wrote in junior
>high, yet it sells millions of records. bizarre!
>in "ironic", at the beginning and end of the song, her voice is pleasant
CyberBoy
In article <4s5b8u$6...@mippet.ci.com.au>, leo...@accsoft.com.au (Leo Loh) wrote:
>well to tell you the truth Alanis totally RULZ!!!!!!! (NOT) I mean she
>should get a life and Michael Jackson shouldn't of signed her in the
>first place. She is a try hard in every possible way there is.
I thought it was Madonna, not Michael Jackson
Mario Geneau
In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.96070...@skule.ecf>, BRIGHT
MARTIN-LOUIS <bri...@ecf.toronto.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Clinton Kirby wrote:
>
> > in "ironic", at the beginning and end of the song, her voice is pleasant
> > enough, but then she has to break into that horrid shriek like a rabbit
> > being clubbed over the head. it's so affected and put-on and strident.
> >
> > anyway, thanks for letting me get that off my chest. by the way, who the
> > fuck is nada surf?
> >
>
> Yeah. There's also that annoying harmonica that pops in occasionally
> and that sounds like a broken accordian or bagpipe "pisswater" , for lack
> of a better expression. Don't know who nada surf is.
>
> Martin
Hey Martin...it's really easy to criticise when you're a NOBODY like you!
You should go back to school instead of staying on wellfare!
hmmm
CyberBoy wrote:
> ------
> I thought it was Madonna, not Michael Jackson
It was -- is Madonna's Maverick label. Figures.
russell berse
(sorry.. my mailer doesn't always quote)
Nada Surf is a new band. They were probably some indie band, whos' new
album, High Low, became popular (no pun intended)
They have a new song, called Popular, which is pretty cool.
They are currently touring with Superdrag
(btw: what does this have to do with a.m.a?)
--
The Maxx
them...@juno.com
Kaos - Jason A. Cortright
I hate her because her songs are so good!!! :)
heheh
KAOS
(Million $ Wedgie)
On 9 Jul 1996 21:26:53 GMT, flet...@harrier.csrv.uidaho.edu (Rick
Fletcher) wrote:
I dont think your being fair, they could have a singer named jenny and
she could be a big fan of X. Yea I dont think so either, it was just
a thought.
EXAMPLES
Mature, boyfriend does herion kills self in shack boo hoo. growing
up sucks
Should I use napkins or the plug?
Contemporary, man that middle east thing is getting me down,
tibet or not tibet
FBI files whats up with that
Joseph P. Young II
(Million $ Wedgie) wrote:
> debbie gibson. schlock pop culture is still schlock pop culture.why does everyone have to analyze a deeper meaning in everything in
life? I have been involved in my master's research for about 6 months
now, and life can be, lets just say, tough at times. alanis
morissette's music can be very soothing, and i must say, her lerics are
not shallow, they are merely observations that all of us often take for
granted. it is nice to hear reinforcing words when your life is in
turmoil. i think that often people are overcritical of someone who is
doing something that makes a lot of people happy. she may have been a
child actress, but much of what she says in her music relates directly
to my life, and touches nerves that are often not even mentioned in
everyday life. i think everyone has their own story, regardless of
their background.
--
MZ
Dave Goldwag
Rick,
If you really must know the name "Jen X" is an inside band joke that
continued on until it became the most obvious choice for band name...As
far as contrived...I'd be happy to send you the CD for free then you can
decide if the music is "contrived"........
Dave
Riyadh
Dave Goldwag wrote:
> If you really must know the name "Jen X" is an inside band joke
Jen-X sounds like a cream that cures crab-lice!!!
HELEN
In article <4s5b8u$6...@mippet.ci.com.au> leo...@accsoft.com.au (Leo Loh) writes:
>From: leo...@accsoft.com.au (Leo Loh)
>Subject: Re: Why we hate Alanis
>Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:46:54 GMT
>well to tell you the truth Alanis totally RULZ!!!!!!! (NOT) I mean she
>should get a life and Michael Jackson shouldn't of signed her in the
>first place. She is a try hard in every possible way there is.
>Clinton Kirby <kir...@brutus.datastar.net> wrote:
>>i, too, hate alanis. i hate even more the widespread acceptance that has
>>been granted to her by mtv and every by-the-book "alternative" radio
>>station.
>>if YOU wrote a song that said "i'm drunk but i'm sober/i'm brave but i'm
>>chickenshit", etc. that any critic would let you get away with that? it's
>>lazy writing, it's formulaic, it's the kind of lyrics i wrote in junior
>>high, yet it sells millions of records. bizarre!
>>in "ironic", at the beginning and end of the song, her voice is pleasant
>>enough, but then she has to break into that horrid shriek like a rabbit
>>being clubbed over the head. it's so affected and put-on and strident.
>>anyway, thanks for letting me get that off my chest. by the way, who the
>>fuck is nada surf?
Whoa.... #1, I like Alanis. I like her junior high poetry. And my niece (2
months,) enjoys her dying cat screech.
#2, Nada Surf sings that song popular. It's about high school and stuff. It
has no real place in this group,(male fronted) but they rock, so check them
out.
Kotowski
In <gazelle-1207961033020001@pool20_4.odyssee.net> gaz...@odyssee.net
(Mario Geneau) writes:
>
>In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.96070...@skule.ecf>, BRIGHT
>MARTIN-LOUIS <bri...@ecf.toronto.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Clinton Kirby wrote:
>>
>> > in "ironic", at the beginning and end of the song, her voice is
pleasant
>> > enough, but then she has to break into that horrid shriek like a
rabbit
>> > being clubbed over the head. it's so affected and put-on and
strident.
>> >
>> > anyway, thanks for letting me get that off my chest. by the way,
who the
>> > fuck is nada surf?
>> >
>>
>> Yeah. There's also that annoying harmonica that pops in occasionally
>> and that sounds like a broken accordian or bagpipe "pisswater" , for
lack
>> of a better expression. Don't know who nada surf is.
>>
>> Martin
>
>Hey Martin...it's really easy to criticise when you're a NOBODY like
you!
>You should go back to school instead of staying on wellfare!
>
I really must agree with this Anti-Martin.... Alanis kicks some serious
stuff. Her music is compelling and she is currently at the top of every
top something that has to do with music! 9 out of 10 billion people
agree. She is something spectacular.
Darrell Ottery
In article <4sfiap$7...@news.shelbynet.net> ma...@shelbynet.net "krux" writes:
> Alanis is the only female singer out there now whose music has some
> substance to it. She has a great voice, and just happens to be very
> attractive.
Can I disagree? Yeah, WTF, I will. :)
I'm in two minds about Alanis' music. Part of me likes it - there's
certainly something there worth investigating further, but I really
cannot stand her voice. I can't say what the quality of it is that I
object to, but there's something there that annoys me.
OTOH, everyone's entitled to an opinion, yes? I just happen to think
you're wrong on this one - there are far better songwriters with far
superior voices, and far more attractive with it (not that this aspect
makes *any* difference to me in the slightest - for me, it's the music
that's important, both lyrically as well as musically). F'rinstance I
put forward as my candidates Julianne Regan and Maria McKee, both of
whom are 'out there now' and whose music has substance, and who both
happen to be very attractive (and real nice folk too, having spoken to
both of them recently).
Just stirring up another hornet's nest...
--
Darrell There must be something in the blood we share,
[INTJ] Fermented over centuries, or something in the air,
Our mood is scenery / It won't stop bruising me,
I've had enough of grey skies raining tears.
Easter is canceled this year. They've found the body.
hmmm
Kotowski wrote:
> 9 out of 10 billion people agree. She is something spectacular.
Let's see, 9 out of 10 billion people . . . hmmmm, by my calculation
that's somewhere in the neighborhood of .0000000009% of the population!
Cool! Maybe she's finally losing some of her undeserved steam! :-)
tag
Jim O'Donnell
> I really must agree with this Anti-Martin.... Alanis kicks some serious
> stuff. Her music is compelling and she is currently at the top of every
> agree. She is something spectacular.
Hang on a minute, aren't there only about 5 billion people or so on the
entire planet? And most of those fortunate enough never to have heard of
Alanis. I guess I could be forced to like her but
a) she can't sing. One of the previous posters made a good point
about the shrieking during the chorus of ironic.
b) her lyrics are so fucking trite. How can she sing this crap with
a straight face?
Jim
PS last time I looked, The Bluetones were number 1 in Britain, so I
guess Alanis loses the "top of every top something" prize too.
--
Jim O'Donnell
Instituto de Astronomia-UNAM j...@astroscu.unam.mx
Apartado Postal 70-264 http://caifan.astroscu.unam.mx/~jim/
Ciudad Universitaria Tel. (52-5)622-3908
C.P. 04510 Fax (52-5)616-0653
Mexico, D.F., "Life is a drink and you get drunk when you're young"
MEXICO The Jam
Willem Nieuwboer
sco...@ix.netcom.com (Kotowski) wrote:
>In <gazelle-1207961033020001@pool20_4.odyssee.net> gaz...@odyssee.net
>(Mario Geneau) writes:
>>
>>In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.96070...@skule.ecf>, BRIGHT
>>MARTIN-LOUIS <bri...@ecf.toronto.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Clinton Kirby wrote:
>>>
>>> > in "ironic", at the beginning and end of the song, her voice is
>pleasant
>>> > enough, but then she has to break into that horrid shriek like a
>rabbit
>>> > being clubbed over the head. it's so affected and put-on and
>strident.
>>> >
>>> > anyway, thanks for letting me get that off my chest. by the way,
>who the
>>> > fuck is nada surf?
>>> >
>>>
>>> Yeah. There's also that annoying harmonica that pops in occasionally
>>> and that sounds like a broken accordian or bagpipe "pisswater" , for
>lack
>>> of a better expression. Don't know who nada surf is.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>
>>Hey Martin...it's really easy to criticise when you're a NOBODY like
>you!
>>You should go back to school instead of staying on wellfare!
>>
>I really must agree with this Anti-Martin.... Alanis kicks some serious
>stuff. Her music is compelling and she is currently at the top of every
>top something that has to do with music! 9 out of 10 billion people
>agree. She is something spectacular.
I agree upon that.
krux
hmmm
SuperFunkyCaliFragiSexy wrote:
>
> >>Clinton Kirby <kir...@brutus.datastar.net> wrote:
> >
> >>>i, too, hate alanis. i hate even more the widespread acceptance that has
> >>>been granted to her by mtv and every by-the-book "alternative" radio
> >>>station.
> >
> >>>if YOU wrote a song that said "i'm drunk but i'm sober/i'm brave but i'm
> >>>chickenshit", etc. that any critic would let you get away with that? it's
> >>>lazy writing, it's formulaic, it's the kind of lyrics i wrote in junior
> >>>high, yet it sells millions of records. bizarre!
>
> Pretty innovative huh??
> Suprised it was a girl writing that??
> Pretty impressing huh??
> I think U just have a problem wiht it! :)
> //PETRA
> -------
> I feel drunk but I'm sober
> I'm young and I'm underpaid
> I'm tired but I'm working....You either:
a) missed the point
b) are being intentionally thick, or
c) are being sarcastic
I'm not sure which, but giving you the benefit of the doubt, i'm
ROTF LOL --tag
SuperFunkyCaliFragiSexy
hmmm
krux wrote:
>
> Alanis is the only female singer out there now whose music has some substance to it.
> She has a great voice, and just happens to be very attractive.
Oh my god. The "... only female singer ... whose music has some substance ...?" Putting aside the fact that
Alanis has an effective range of maybe a minor third (and when effective, she only sounds BAD), and that she
has no song-writing ability outside of knowing what kind of formula pop crap is going to appeal to a great big
wad of middle class teenie boppers with money to burn, to say no one else out there has any substance is
STUPID!! P J Harvey, Sinead O'Connor, Tracy Chapman, Indigo Girls, Goodness, Juned, Eve's Plum, 7 Year Bitch,
the Gits, Patti Smith, Lucky Me, Exene Cervenka fer gawds sake! I could go on, but the fact that you've made
such a patently absurd statement suggests you lack the capacity for higher thought! Jeez, man, THINK A LITTLE!
Oh by the way, as far as attractiveness, whoop-de-doo, and anyone on my list beats Alanis hands down!
tag
joe_noonan
Jim O'Donnell <j...@astroscu.unam.mx> wrote:
>> I really must agree with this Anti-Martin.... Alanis kicks some serious
>> stuff. Her music is compelling and she is currently at the top of every
>> top something that has to do with music! 9 out of 10 billion people
>> agree. She is something spectacular.
>Hang on a minute, aren't there only about 5 billion people or so on the
>entire planet? And most of those fortunate enough never to have heard of
>Alanis. I guess I could be forced to like her but
>a) she can't sing. One of the previous posters made a good point
>about the shrieking during the chorus of ironic.
>b) her lyrics are so fucking trite. How can she sing this crap with
>a straight face?
>Jim
>PS last time I looked, The Bluetones were number 1 in Britain, so I
>guess Alanis loses the "top of every top something" prize too.
>--
> Jim O'Donnell
> Instituto de Astronomia-UNAM j...@astroscu.unam.mx
> Apartado Postal 70-264 http://caifan.astroscu.unam.mx/~jim/
> Ciudad Universitaria Tel. (52-5)622-3908
> C.P. 04510 Fax (52-5)616-0653
> Mexico, D.F., "Life is a drink and you get drunk when you're young"
> MEXICO The Jam
So stand by your statment and give us an example......
Jack A. Zucker
I have the feeling that the real reason the alt.music.alternative.*
people hate Alanis is because she got popular. She's no better or worse
than many other singers that people wax poetic over in the alternative
newsgroups. I'm not crazy about Alanis myself but calling her a
corporate whore and then praising the likes of Heart and Fleetwood Mac ?
Pul-eeze
Song writing ? I like Jewel but I'm sorry, her songs are
meandering and sound like they were written by the teenager
she is. Her band is terrible. Most alternative bands are
horrible, musicianship-wise. It really gets me when the
"alternative" crowd starts putting someone down for having
a "narrow" vocal range and putting down their musicianship
when most rock and alternative music bands have been playing
less than 10 years !
Music is about communicating, period. It doesn't matter whether
you have a minor 3rd vocal range or 5 friggin' octaves. If that
stuff mattered, Mariah Carey would be regarded as a genius.
Face it. Alternative music as a whole is Corporate. You think the
"true" alternative bands are starving ? How much money does Tori
Amos have ? I think the nose-ring and tattoo crowd sometimes
tries so hard to be different that as soon as something becomes
popular, it's automatically labeled bad. To me, this reeks of
the same mindless buracracy that the alternative crowd tries
so hard to avoid. In collectively being different from the
establishment, you have created in effect, your own establishment.
Think about it.
-Jaz (who likes alternative music and John Coltrane)
Could any alternative groups compare in Musicianship
to 'Trane, Bird, and Miles ? Would it be pointless to
do so ?
Michael Sowa
>
>Oh my god. The "... only female singer ... whose music has some substance ...?"
>Putting aside the fact that
>Alanis has an effective range of maybe a minor third (and when effective, she
>only sounds BAD), and that she
>has no song-writing ability outside of knowing what kind of formula pop crap is
>going to appeal to a great big
>wad of middle class teenie boppers with money to burn, to say no one else out
>there has any substance is
>STUPID!! P J Harvey, Sinead O'Connor, Tracy Chapman, Indigo Girls, Goodness,
>Juned, Eve's Plum, 7 Year Bitch,
>the Gits, Patti Smith, Lucky Me, Exene Cervenka fer gawds sake! I could go on,
>but the fact that you've made
>such a patently absurd statement suggests you lack the capacity for higher
>thought! Jeez, man, THINK A LITTLE!
>
>Oh by the way, as far as attractiveness, whoop-de-doo, and anyone on my list
>beats Alanis hands down!
>
>tag
Alanis Morisette does not write songs for teeny boppies! Her lyrics are
unique in this day & age and the way she sings is incredible. Tell me
why did she win 4 awards? LISTEN AND LEARN!
--
Michael Sowa
Kotowski
In <4sj9sv$f...@mn5.swip.net> SuperFunkyCaliFragiSexy
<pe...@mbox300.swipnet.se> writes:
I think that guy has a problem with it too.
"And I'm here, to remind you....."
Jack the Hacker
hmmm <t...@seattleu.edu> wrote:
>Kotowski wrote:
>> 9 out of 10 billion people agree. She is something spectacular.
>Let's see, 9 out of 10 billion people . . . hmmmm, by my calculation
>that's somewhere in the neighborhood of .0000000009% of the population!
>Cool! Maybe she's finally losing some of her undeserved steam! :-)
>tag
I somehow think your IQ is lower than that of a pumpkin: 9 out of 10
billion people is meant as 9 billion out of 10 billion and is just to
make it shorter!!! :-)
Jack the Hacker
HE...@mindlink.bc.ca (HELEN) wrote:
>In article <4s5b8u$6...@mippet.ci.com.au> leo...@accsoft.com.au (Leo Loh) writes:
>>From: leo...@accsoft.com.au (Leo Loh)
>>Subject: Re: Why we hate Alanis
>>Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:46:54 GMT
>>well to tell you the truth Alanis totally RULZ!!!!!!! (NOT) I mean she
>>should get a life and Michael Jackson shouldn't of signed her in the
>>first place. She is a try hard in every possible way there is.
>>Clinton Kirby <kir...@brutus.datastar.net> wrote:
>>>i, too, hate alanis. i hate even more the widespread acceptance that has
>>>been granted to her by mtv and every by-the-book "alternative" radio
>>>station.
>>>if YOU wrote a song that said "i'm drunk but i'm sober/i'm brave but i'm
>>>chickenshit", etc. that any critic would let you get away with that? it's
>>>lazy writing, it's formulaic, it's the kind of lyrics i wrote in junior
>>>high, yet it sells millions of records. bizarre!
>>>in "ironic", at the beginning and end of the song, her voice is pleasant
>>>enough, but then she has to break into that horrid shriek like a rabbit
>>>being clubbed over the head. it's so affected and put-on and strident.
>>>anyway, thanks for letting me get that off my chest. by the way, who the
>>>fuck is nada surf?
>Whoa.... #1, I like Alanis. I like her junior high poetry. And my niece (2
>months,) enjoys her dying cat screech.
> #2, Nada Surf sings that song popular. It's about high school and stuff. It
>has no real place in this group,(male fronted) but they rock, so check them
>out.
Yeah, I also like Alanis, listen properly to Ironic and you'll see
that the lyrics are a lot better than anybody has ever written at
junior high (bunch of idiots who think her lyrics are that bad). And
that aboud her dying cat screech. It's not quite that bad, have you
ever heard a dying cat screech???
Daryl Rupnow
I agree with Martin, Alanis' voice just hurts my ears. I
don't know how she ever got a contract to sing Her voice is
so scracthy and awful I don't understand why anyone would
like it.
Kotowski
>
>Kotowski wrote:
>> 9 out of 10 billion people agree. She is something spectacular.
>
>
>Let's see, 9 out of 10 billion people . . . hmmmm, by my calculation
>that's somewhere in the neighborhood of .0000000009% of the population!
>Cool! Maybe she's finally losing some of her undeserved steam! :-)
>
>tag
>
Well pardon me....I was just trying to express my gratitude for how
Alanis makes me feel. Sometimes, words can't describe it and they come
out wrong.
--genius^
Chan Hean Wah
YUP, ALANIS SUXS. WHY DON'T SHE GO GET A LIFE?????
Mark Davenport
I don't care why you hate her just shut up please. Im sure all the
newsgroups could'nt care less why anyone would hate soemeone else.
magus
i agree with sowa. people who don't like alanis becuase their sweet
mommies don't like the language or some other fucking reason are just
ignortant bitches
--
Magus (Daniel)
ma...@intelli-net.com
"Don't Steal Money,
The Government Hates Competition"
Fan of: Simpsons, Seinfeld, Ellen, Faculty,
The Twilight Zone, Xena, Hercules, The
Real World, Dragonlance, Hoop, Rummie,
Speed, Independence Day, Merly Streep,
Micheal Richards, Jerry Seinfeld, Julia Louis-
Dreyfus, Dan Castalanetta, Star Gate,
The River Wild, Sneakers, No Escape,
The Stand, It, Alanis Morisette, Oasis, Mr.
Big,the Eagles, Chris Farley, Adam Sandler,
Jason Alexander, Die Hard With a Vengeance,
Monty Python and the Holy Grail, Needful
Things, and Star 94.
> Michael Sowa <Cher...@cherries.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<Ger4NAA7...@cherries.demon.co.uk>...
hmmm
CyberBoy wrote:
>
> Arguing is not going
> to make someone suddenly stop and say "hey, you're right! I'll just through
> out this CD now"
ya but it makes me feel better about all the talented artist who don't flip the right switches and use the
right packaging and paint the right lies to make it big-time. A well thought out debate on the tangible
musical quality of alanis is good, and i think it just might make a few lemmings open their eyes and start
seeking out music of real quality and substance. I actually selected JLP from a CD club months ago, just cuz i
though YOK was a pretty good song (i still do). problem was the rest of the album was ridiculous. that cd is
now long gone - taken off the the cd store with a couple others . . . i think i traded up to 7 Year Bitch --
now there's some honest, real rock-n-roll with talented artists and thoughtful lyrics! alanis could take some
lessons from 7yb, maybe then when she grows up she'll turn out to be not-so-crappy-as-she-is-now. TTFN - tag
hmmm
Jack the Hacker wrote:
>
> hmmm <t...@seattleu.edu> wrote:
>
> >Kotowski wrote:
> >> 9 out of 10 billion people agree. She is something spectacular.
>
> >Let's see, 9 out of 10 billion people . . . hmmmm, by my calculation
> >that's somewhere in the neighborhood of .0000000009% of the population!
> >Cool! Maybe she's finally losing some of her undeserved steam! :-)
>
> >tag
>
> billion people is meant as 9 billion out of 10 billion and is just to
> make it shorter!!! :-)
:-| you're kidding. NO! REALLY? You're joking. You must be joking. You can't be serious. Really? Jeez.
man. Is my face red?
So are we cutting people in half these days so we can count 'em twice? Or are we considering dogs people too
to augment the population of the planet? Wait! THAT'S IT! The dogs! Their hypersensitive hearing may
actually be able to detect the tonal range of Alanis' vocals where she actually sounds good! Heaven knows it's
not audible to the human ear!
Thanks so much fer clearing this up.
yeah . . . the dogs . .. that's it . . .
hmmm
Joe, Noonan wrote:
> So stand by your statment and give us an example......
>
> >b) her lyrics are so fucking trite. How can she sing this crap with
> >a straight face?
I'll give you one - the entire lyric sheet for ironic is the most
formulaic trite crap i've ever heard. it's embarrassing and no
self-respecting artist would let it on their record. it is catchy,
though, and lemmings like it, so there it is. alanis wants to get rich,
and who can blame her, she just won't do it with my money.
hmmm
> >> 9 out of 10 billion people agree. She is something spectacular.
> >
> >
> >Let's see, 9 out of 10 billion people . . . hmmmm, by my calculation
> >that's somewhere in the neighborhood of .0000000009% of the population!
>
> >Cool! Maybe she's finally losing some of her undeserved steam! :-)
> >
> >tag
> >
>
> Alanis makes me feel. Sometimes, words can't describe it and they come
> out wrong.
>
> --genius^
Um . . . i'm sorry. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I was being
sarcastic, as is my tendency. No need to lay the heavy guilt-trip on me,
man. Short out my keyboard with all my blubbering.
You're pardoned! :-)
--tag
hmmm
Jack A. Zucker wrote:
>
>
> Music is about communicating, period. It doesn't matter whether
> you have a minor 3rd vocal range or 5 friggin' octaves. If that
> stuff mattered, Mariah Carey would be regarded as a genius.
>
> Face it. Alternative music as a whole is Corporate. You think the
> "true" alternative bands are starving ? How much money does Tori
> Amos have ? I think the nose-ring and tattoo crowd sometimes
> tries so hard to be different that as soon as something becomes
> popular, it's automatically labeled bad. To me, this reeks of
> the same mindless buracracy that the alternative crowd tries
> so hard to avoid. In collectively being different from the
> establishment, you have created in effect, your own establishment.
>
> Think about it.
>
Good post. You're absolutely right. I still think alanis is a no-talent
suck-up though . . .
hmmm
Michael Sowa wrote:
>
> Alanis Morisette does not write songs for teeny boppies! Her lyrics are
> unique in this day & age and the way she sings is incredible. Tell me
> why did she win 4 awards? LISTEN AND LEARN!
>
> --
> Michael Sowa
What's a teenie boppie? Sorry, that was too easy. Her lyrics may be
unique in this day and age, but only because they've already been written
in the 60's and 70's . . . she's a throwback, and does a good job at it,
obviously. She's certainly not progressive, especially not with her
music, lyrics aside.
isn't it "LIVE AND LEARN" no wait "you live, you learn" man, that is
some brilliant fucking song writing, eh?
Michael Sowa
In article <31ED28...@seattleu.edu>, hmmm <t...@seattleu.edu> writes
>
>Oh by the way, as far as attractiveness, whoop-de-doo, and anyone on my list
>beats Alanis hands down!
>
>tag
Actually I think she is beautiful & I have got very good taste in Women and
Music alike.
--
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It was "Joseph P. Young II" <chu...@access.mountain.net> who
cheerfully exclaimed:
>I have been involved in my master's research for about 6 months
>now, and life can be, lets just say, tough at times. alanis
>morissette's music can be very soothing, and i must say, her lerics are
^^^^^^
A minor point to be sure, but you are working on your masters'so you
should know the correct spelling. Er, or at least get a spell checker
(if you haven't done so already!) -- not to be critical, just helpful.
<bad pun>
But...can't your master do his own research? :P
</bad pun>
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Jeff Cramer
In <31EEC0...@gwis.com> "Jack A. Zucker" <j...@gwis.com> writes:
>
>I have the feeling that the real reason the alt.music.alternative.*
>people hate Alanis is because she got popular. She's no better or
worse
>than many other singers that people wax poetic over in the alternative
>newsgroups. I'm not crazy about Alanis myself but calling her a
>corporate whore and then praising the likes of Heart and Fleetwood Mac
?
>
>Pul-eeze
>
>Song writing ? I like Jewel but I'm sorry, her songs are
>meandering and sound like they were written by the teenager
>she is. Her band is terrible. Most alternative bands are
>horrible, musicianship-wise. It really gets me when the
>"alternative" crowd starts putting someone down for having
>a "narrow" vocal range and putting down their musicianship
>when most rock and alternative music bands have been playing
>less than 10 years !
>
>you have a minor 3rd vocal range or 5 friggin' octaves. If that
>stuff mattered, Mariah Carey would be regarded as a genius.
>
>Face it. Alternative music as a whole is Corporate. You think the
>"true" alternative bands are starving ? How much money does Tori
>Amos have ? I think the nose-ring and tattoo crowd sometimes
>tries so hard to be different that as soon as something becomes
>popular, it's automatically labeled bad. To me, this reeks of
>the same mindless buracracy that the alternative crowd tries
>so hard to avoid. In collectively being different from the
>establishment, you have created in effect, your own establishment.
>
>Think about it.
>
>Could any alternative groups compare in Musicianship
>to 'Trane, Bird, and Miles ? Would it be pointless to
>do so ?
Hey, that was well said, my friend. The truth of the matter is that
most of the alternative guys, even though they won't say so in public,
are doing better than the rest of us finacially. (I don't know about
emotionally though.) There's no doubt it has become coporate. The
minute anyone charges you to hear them in concert, it's impossible to
deny that money's not an issue here. (I know Pearl Jam is trying to
make us pay $20 or under, but hey, there's always such a thing as a
free concert in the park. Paul Simon did one once back a couple of
years ago.) I never considered Alanis alternative as say the Seattle
Grunge scene nor am I a basher of her, but it is true I think at times
the alternative crowd is becoming what they don't they want to be.
Things like you must be not popular or your songwriting must be about
this are becoming rules and regulations as much as the standard
establishment is. Also like the alternative crowd, anyone who doesn't
comply with you is not worth your time and deserves to be outcasted
from your world.
This isn't to say I don't like groups as Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters
or Blur but I really think the term alternative doesn't exist anymore.
Some will flame me big time on this, but all I can to say to the
flamers, this is just my opinion and that's how I really feel. I
respect your opinions as well if you think the term is still viable.
--Jeff
Rick Mottes
sco...@ix.netcom.com (Kotowski) wrote:
>In <gazelle-1207961033020001@pool20_4.odyssee.net> gaz...@odyssee.net
>(Mario Geneau) writes:
>>
>>In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.96070...@skule.ecf>, BRIGHT
>>MARTIN-LOUIS <bri...@ecf.toronto.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Clinton Kirby wrote:
>>>
>>> > in "ironic", at the beginning and end of the song, her voice is
>pleasant
>>> > enough, but then she has to break into that horrid shriek like a
>rabbit
>>> > being clubbed over the head. it's so affected and put-on and
>strident.
>>> >
>>> > anyway, thanks for letting me get that off my chest. by the way,
>who the
>>> > fuck is nada surf?
>>> >
>>>
>>> Yeah. There's also that annoying harmonica that pops in occasionally
>>> and that sounds like a broken accordian or bagpipe "pisswater" , for
>lack
>>> of a better expression. Don't know who nada surf is.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>
>>Hey Martin...it's really easy to criticise when you're a NOBODY like
>you!
>>You should go back to school instead of staying on wellfare!
>>
>I really must agree with this Anti-Martin.... Alanis kicks some serious
>stuff. Her music is compelling and she is currently at the top of every
>top something that has to do with music! 9 out of 10 billion people
>agree. She is something spectacular.
We had third row center seats for her concert in Salt Lake City last
month. She rules!
I've had here CD since it first came out (long time now). Liked it
then, thought she had a message to deliver. Sounded like she was
pissed off. Great attitude. Thats what makes here so great!
Michael Ejercito
In article <31EBF6F2...@astroscu.unam.mx>, Jim O'Donnell
<j...@astroscu.unam.mx> wrote:
> > I really must agree with this Anti-Martin.... Alanis kicks some serious
> > stuff. Her music is compelling and she is currently at the top of every
> > top something that has to do with music! 9 out of 10 billion people
> > agree. She is something spectacular.
>
> Hang on a minute, aren't there only about 5 billion people or so on the
> entire planet? And most of those fortunate enough never to have heard of
> Alanis. I guess I could be forced to like her but
>
> a) she can't sing. One of the previous posters made a good point
> about the shrieking during the chorus of ironic.
What do you mean she can not sing? She has sold millions of records and
albums. If she could not sing, she would not be able to sell that many
records and albums.
>
> b) her lyrics are so fucking trite. How can she sing this crap with
> a straight face?
Her music sounds good and that is all that matters.
Michael
Eric Tatara
I totally agree with your views of "alternative" music, though as you said alternative
is no longer that, it is mainstream music and as soon as something becomes popular all
the "alternative" fans go running for something a little more bizzare or less well
known. And then the bashing starts. Groups suck just because they are recognized as
great artists, whether or not they actually are to most people. The following is
directed at Alanis-bashers, not you Jeff. (Just to avoid confusion).
As for all the people who bash Alanis for numerous reasons; who cares? I know, some
of her music (damn that harmonica!!!) leaves much to be desired and anyone with any
musical training (I have 10+ years as a classical musician BTW) can tell how badly
some of the songs are performed, especially live. But people should recognize what a
great voice she has. I love when people say how her voice is horrible, cracking all
over the place. Well, I got news for you. She does that on purpose. And it takes a
lot of control to do it just right. So please get some musical background (besides
being the most valued customer at "alternative nation") before criticicing a musical
style you know nothing about.
And that's why there are different categories of music in the store, you know? And
if everyone listened to your music, you'd say it sucks and find some other band to
restore your coolness.
Flame away,
Eric
Robin Hemenway
On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Michael Sowa wrote:
>
> Alanis Morisette does not write songs for teeny boppies! Her lyrics are
> unique in this day & age and the way she sings is incredible. Tell me
> why did she win 4 awards? LISTEN AND LEARN!
>
> --
> Michael Sowa
> >
politics and mainstream consensus. I mean, Hootie and the fucking
Blowfish win awards too...and do THEY have talent? I'm sorry, but Alanis
is not a good singer..she needs some voice lessons. And she should write
her own songs.
Unknown
In article <4sfiap$7...@news.shelbynet.net>, ma...@shelbynet.net says...
>
>Alanis is the only female singer out there now whose music has some
>substance to it. She has a great voice, and just happens to be very
>attractive.
Maybe so, but IMHO - Rebecca St. James' "God" album which contains the same
style has a much more uplifting substance to it. Rebecca is totally gorgeous
and Alanis cannot even compare to her...
Dave Joyce
hmmm wrote:
>
> krux wrote:
>
> >
> > Alanis is the only female singer out there now whose music has some substance to it.
> > She has a great voice, and just happens to be very attractive.
>
Right on!
What about TORI AMOS....lyrically and emotionally (Little
Earthquakes-Under The Pink) she is FAR in advance of Alanis.
She can also sing better,
And she's also more attractive (for what it's worth).
Dave
Dave Joyce
Michael Sowa wrote:
> Alanis Morisette does not write songs for teeny boppies! Her lyrics are
> unique in this day & age
Unique in WHAT way?
Pray tell....
> and the way she sings is incredible.
Nope - but it's certainly unique.
>Tell me why did she win 4 awards? LISTEN AND LEARN!
> Michael Sowa
You tell me why MILLI VANILLI win awards, and then answer your own
question.
I'm not saying Alanis is bad at all, just v.over-rated.
Dave
Wade
On Sunday, July 21, 1996, Robin Hemenway wrote...
> On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Michael Sowa wrote:
> >
> > Alanis Morisette does not write songs for teeny boppies! Her lyrics
are
> > unique in this day & age and the way she sings is incredible. Tell me
> > why did she win 4 awards? LISTEN AND LEARN!
> >
> > --
> > Michael Sowa
> > >
> Oh PLEASE!!! Like winning Grammys is really about good music! Try
> politics and mainstream consensus. I mean, Hootie and the fucking
> Blowfish win awards too...and do THEY have talent? I'm sorry, but Alanis
> is not a good singer..she needs some voice lessons. And she should
write
> her own songs.
>
She does write her own songs! It goes to show how little you know! I'm
sorry but Alanis is a GOOD singer she's not just good she's GREAT! If
people Like you rule the world one day I hope I never live too see it, and
I hope no one else has to either. I hope you find some taste soon! Then
maybe you'll realize Alanis is a true lyrical genius!
D. P. McLeod
Dave Joyce (da...@dmu.ac.uk) wrote:
: hmmm wrote:
: >
: > krux wrote:
: >
: > >
: > > Alanis is the only female singer out there now whose music has some substance to it.
: > > She has a great voice, and just happens to be very attractive.
: >
: > Oh my god. The "... only female singer ... whose music has some substance ...?"
:
: Right on!
: What about TORI AMOS....lyrically and emotionally (Little
: Earthquakes-Under The Pink) she is FAR in advance of Alanis.
And don't forget Liz Phair, Heather Nova and Aimee Mann. That skiddy
little poser Alanis comes nowhere near these girls.
____________________________________________________
Duncan McLeod d.mc...@phys.canterbury.ac.nz
http://www.phys.canterbury.ac.nz/~physdpm/
____________________________________________________
your apocalypse was fab for a girl who couldn't
choose between the shower or the bath
Lena
Robin Hemenway wrote:
>
> On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Michael Sowa wrote:
> >
> > Alanis Morisette does not write songs for teeny boppies! Her lyrics are
> > unique in this day & age and the way she sings is incredible. Tell me
> > why did she win 4 awards? LISTEN AND LEARN!
> >
> > --
> > Michael Sowa
> > >
> Oh PLEASE!!! Like winning Grammys is really about good music! Try
> politics and mainstream consensus. I mean, Hootie and the fucking
> Blowfish win awards too...and do THEY have talent? I'm sorry, but Alanis
> is not a good singer..she needs some voice lessons. And she should write
> her own songs.
Yeah! Hootie Blows Fish. So does Alanis. They deserve each other.
- Lena -
hype...@cris.com
Rogue
Actually, I like them both...They are both beautiful and sing great,
Alanis's music really makes sense and I would say has a bit more
experience than rebecca...I've got to say, since Alanis accutally is
doing something while Rebeeca has only came out with one song in a long
while, Alanis is at top for the moment, but I've met Rebeeca 3 times and
talked with her, she's very talented and I really wouldn't compare the
styles of music they both do too much...
jad...@staff.monash.edu.au
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.96072...@boris.ucdavis.edu> Robin Hemenway <ez05...@peseta.ucdavis.edu> writes:
> Oh PLEASE!!! Like winning Grammys is really about good music! Try
>politics and mainstream consensus. I mean, Hootie and the fucking
>Blowfish win awards too...and do THEY have talent? I'm sorry, but Alanis
>is not a good singer..she needs some voice lessons. And she should write
>her own songs.
Alanis wrote all the lyrics on her album. So get your facts right.
mab...@dial.pipex.com
IWade wrote:
>
> On Sunday, July 21, 1996, Robin Hemenway wrote...
> > >
> > > Alanis Morisette does not write songs for teeny boppies! Her lyrics
> are
> > > unique in this day & age and the way she sings is incredible. Tell me
> > > why did she win 4 awards? LISTEN AND LEARN!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Michael Sowa
> > > >
> > politics and mainstream consensus. I mean, Hootie and the fucking
> > Blowfish win awards too...and do THEY have talent? I'm sorry, but Alanis
>
> > is not a good singer..she needs some voice lessons. And she should
> write
> > her own songs.
> >
>
> sorry but Alanis is a GOOD singer she's not just good she's GREAT! If
> people Like you rule the world one day I hope I never live too see it, and
> I hope no one else has to either. I hope you find some taste soon! Then
hate Alanis music and we should have freedom of speech" did they ever
think of her, she has the right to speek freely as well.They should stop
thinking of just themselves.Personally i think that her music is
fantastic and she is one of a kind.If they try listening to her music and
put themselves in her shoes they might just have second thoughts.
WE LOVE ALANIS!!!!!!!!
Michael Sowa
>There is no point in arguing whether or not Alanis' lyrics, music, voice or
>whatever is trite. She has sold millions of cds to a wide variety of ages
Here Here. What is the point in Arguing about tastes in music? If,
like me, you Love Alanis music, then Love it. If you like it then like
it and if you don't like it don't listen to it. It doesn't bother me
that some people don't like her music. Everybody has there own taste.
I Like Alanis, so I listen to it. I don't like Prince, I don't
subscribe to his newsgroup and I don't listen to his music!!
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Barry Letherland
Jack A. Zucker <j...@gwis.com> wrote in article <31E058...@gwis.com>...
> It's hard to imagine people not knowing what "wine dine-me,69-me"
> means but I can understand if English is their 2nd language.
>
> -Jaz
>
Maybe they don't have a sex life....
Josh
Jaz has it all figured out. Read what this guy wrote right there.
-Josh-
Neil Buniao Tejano
.bc.ca> <4sj9sv$f...@mn5.swip.net>:
Distribution:
SuperFunkyCaliFragiSexy (pe...@mbox300.swipnet.se) wrote:
: >>Clinton Kirby <kir...@brutus.datastar.net> wrote:
: >
: >>>i, too, hate alanis. i hate even more the widespread acceptance that
: >>>has been granted to her by mtv and every by-the-book "alternative"
: >>>radio station.
: >
: >>>if YOU wrote a song that said "i'm drunk but i'm sober/i'm brave but
: >>>i'm chickenshit", etc. that any critic would let you get away with that?
: >>>it's lazy writing, it's formulaic, it's the kind of lyrics i wrote in
: >>>junior high, yet it sells millions of records. bizarre!
: Pretty odd huh??
: Pretty innovative huh??
: Suprised it was a girl writing that??
: Pretty impressing huh??
: I think U just have a problem wiht it! :)
I can think of female artists who are much better than Alanis - her being
female has nothing to do with whether or not she sucks.
Neil
--
and if I'm wasting all your time
this time
maybe you never learned to take
- Tori Amos
Riyadh
WebM...@kingston.ac.uk wrote:
>
> If she's got one hand in her pocket and the one is holding a
> cig-a-reyeyeyeyetee (exotic name for a tobacco smoking device). How the fuck did she manage to light it.
Duh?? maybe it was already lit and then she put her hand in her pocket!!
ooooooooohhh
or maybe she said it just to confuse a poor soul like you!!!!What brains
you don't have!!!
Let me get this straight, one hand in
> pocket, so she's only got one left; one hlding the afformentioned
> cigar-ay-ay-a-y-ay-ette, that leaves, erm, no hands whatsoever to light
> the fucker. She's obviously one of those namby-pamby poncey wank stains who only hold a cigarette but never smokes it.
CONFUSED ARENT'T WE!!???
And she's git a very long face and warbles like she's having an epileptic
fit.
No she's just laughing hysterically at you moron for making an issue of
this. Big waste of time!!!
>
> I've got one hand in my ears (so I can't hear your shit music) and the
> other one is holding a gun-thats-gonna-blow-your-cigar-shaped-head-open.
One more thing don't quit your day job and become a lyricist. you will
get even more confused and will self destruct!!!
Riyadh
Riyadh
Latisha@net wrote:
> Riyadh stop acting like a fatinoshimotte .....Tori rules. I think she is so good on beverly hills 90210. Long live Tori Spelling!
>Oh thanx for clearing that up!!!!!
And don't forget Liz Phair, Heather Nova and Aimee Mann. That skiddy
little poser Alanis comes nowhere near these girls.
>WHO? WHO? AND WHO? SORRY NEVER HEARD OF THEM GUESS THEY AREN'T THAT
IMPORTANT!!!
> Come one Ri...Liz was a very important actress who was married 9 times Heather plays on Melrose Place and she is married to Richie Samboring
Aimee....is a has been who was part of `TIL TUESDAY
> Thanks to you Latisha, I'll never be as ignorant as I was again!!
You're my idol, LONG LIVE LATISHA KONISHA FROM THE BRONX!!!!
RIYADH>
Eric Tatara
> > And don't forget Liz Phair, Heather Nova and Aimee Mann. That skiddy
> > little poser Alanis comes nowhere near these girls.
>
> >WHO? WHO? AND WHO? SORRY NEVER HEARD OF THEM GUESS THEY AREN'T THATIMPORTANT!!!
>
Liz Phair is one of the greatest female rock musicians today! The only reason you
haven't heard of her is because she never toured. She mostly plays Chicago gigs so
only us locals really have a good appreciation for her music, though she did a few
other gigs, maybe you've heard of Letterman or perhaps the American Music Awards (Or
was it the grammys?).
Her lyrics are similar in nature to those of Morissette's, relationships and that
kind or stuff. But her musical style is more your 80's rock kind of stuff. And
although she is very stagefright, I have witnessed some very powerful live
performances.
long live Alanis,
Eric
Ponch
Daryl Rupnow wrote:
>
> I agree with Martin, Alanis' voice just hurts my ears. I
> don't know how she ever got a contract to sing Her voice is
> so scracthy and awful I don't understand why anyone would
> like it.
"You Oughtta Know" was a pretty good song, but every new release by
Alanis is worse than the last one. "You Learn" is the worst song I have
ever heard! I agree with Daryl. Alanis' voice is very grating and
irritating.
WebM...@kingston.ac.uk
If she's got one hand in her pocket and the one is holding a
cig-a-reyeyeyeyetee (exotic name for a tobacco smoking device). How the
cigar-ay-ay-a-y-ay-ette, that leaves, erm, no hands whatsoever to light
the fucker. She's obviously one of those namby-pamby poncey wank stains
I've got one hand in my ears (so I can't hear your shit music) and the