MajorMUD Cheats
Zocalo
Please, Please people, if any of you find good money of stat bugs for
major mud, don't post em here, don't tell dan. Start a mailing list of
people or somthing but you must realize if th designers of the game
(naimly Craig from what I understand) will fix that bug in the next
version, and personaly, I am sick of never haveing any money, and I am not
above cheating to get it <G>.
Zocalo
bps
In article <19970309155...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, zoc...@aol.com
(Zocalo) wrote:
_What_? How screwed up is THAT thinking! As if scripting wasn't enough,
you also want some magic cheat? MajorMUD ceases to become a "game" when
you can cheat your way through it. I cannot fathom how anyone could find
it enjoyable to be Godlike in a game that's based on _earning_ what you
do. If this concept is alien to you, go play Doom, there's some fantastic
cheats you can punch in for instant gratification in that game.
______________________
-brian smith
(bps...@primenet.com)
Torsch
You are 100% right. I'm so sick of all these people scripting their way
to level 30 and above, just taking all the good stuff and basically being
jerks about it. I have a level 17 ranger, and I'm proud to say that I've
played all 3.1 millon exp. Its very gratifying to know I've earned what
I've got, and havn't just let my computer run it for me.
Grrr! I'm done now.
Jon Yost
different folks. JPY
hiya
Zocalo <zoc...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970309155...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> Please, Please people, if any of you find good money of stat bugs for
> major mud, don't post em here, don't tell dan. Start a mailing list of
> people or somthing but you must realize if th designers of the game
> (naimly Craig from what I understand) will fix that bug in the next
> version, and personaly, I am sick of never haveing any money, and I am
not
> above cheating to get it <G>.
>
> Zocalo
>
> Re: Heya...you know, I'm kinda sick of not having money also, youve
probley seen my postings earlyer, but if ya do have any bugs, cheats , or
mmud charactor editors, please send me it!
Wr...@Rockford.com
PFunk0000
Im proud to say i rather script up a charater than have no life and script
up millions of exp, that is if you want to actually get somewhere..
By for now gotta set script up ;)
bps
> Yeah us scripting types are so evil arent we? Diffenrent strokes for
> different folks. JPY
No... Not evil, maybe undisciplined... The truth is, I can only feel pity
for scriptors who think the game is so much fun, even though they're
missing out on the whole point entirely. The point it to interact,
socialize, create a "world" within the Realm. Scripting effectively
reduces this to a game of, "i kick more ass than u" mentality. Oh well.
Maybe this philosophy can be applied: I don't care what you do in your own
BBS, just don't bring it to ours. ;)
______________________
-brian smith
(bpsmith[at]primenet[dot]com)
eddie....@transquest.com
In article <19970310213...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
tor...@aol.com (Torsch) wrote:
>
> You are 100% right. I'm so sick of all these people scripting their way
> to level 30 and above, just taking all the good stuff and basically being
> jerks about it. I have a level 17 ranger, and I'm proud to say that I've
> played all 3.1 millon exp. Its very gratifying to know I've earned what
> I've got, and havn't just let my computer run it for me.
>
> Grrr! I'm done now.
I am proud to say that I don't cheat by using a communication program. I
send every bit by hand. Anyone that uses a program to connect to a bbs
is cheating.
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SynapseV^Vampire
> Yeah us scripting types are so evil arent we? Diffenrent strokes for
> different folks. JPY
Not evil. They hadn't mentioned evil. Evil players can be interesting.
They also didn't say self-involved, low pride and consistently boring are
the dominant characteristics of the scripter.
Curious, is the message that scripters get their *strokes* alone? No doubt
the majority of *Masturs* are scripters... <eg>
-K
Abyssmia
eddie....@transquest.com wrote:
>
> I am proud to say that I don't cheat by using a communication program. I
> send every bit by hand. Anyone that uses a program to connect to a bbs
> is cheating.
That analogy doesn't work and neither does the joke. A better analogy
would be an athlete using drugs/steroids (scripting)to best others
rather than working out and training (non-scripting methods).
Abyssmia
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SynapseV^Vampire
> I am proud to say that I don't cheat by using a communication program. I
> send every bit by hand. Anyone that uses a program to connect to a bbs
> is cheating.
Via telekinesis, or are you just another cheater using a computer?
gen...@hawaii.edu
On 10 Mar 1997 21:34:08 GMT, tor...@aol.com (Torsch) wrote:
> You are 100% right. I'm so sick of all these people scripting their way
>to level 30 and above, just taking all the good stuff and basically being
>jerks about it. I have a level 17 ranger, and I'm proud to say that I've
>played all 3.1 millon exp. Its very gratifying to know I've earned what
>I've got, and havn't just let my computer run it for me.
>
>
> Grrr! I'm done now.
>
Oh shut the fuck up you DORK. Lets not start with the scripting
argument. The original question was about CHEATS. Scripting in by no
means cheating it is a personal choice that people make. I dont like
scripting any more than you do, but some people have lives and dont
want to spend most of it sitting on their asses playing a game. I've
made 13 million (non-scripted) it has taken 2 years worth of weekends.
You made 3.1 million well good for you. You sound like you dont like
the assholes on your board.......Dont blame scripting as the problem.
Grrr! I'm Done Now.
Mark Rossi
: send every bit by hand. Anyone that uses a program to connect to a bbs
: is cheating.
HAHAHHAHA you people are so funny
Cameron Shaffer
On 10 Mar 1997 21:34:08 GMT, tor...@aol.com (Torsch) wrote:
> You are 100% right. I'm so sick of all these people scripting their way
>to level 30 and above, just taking all the good stuff and basically being
>jerks about it. I have a level 17 ranger, and I'm proud to say that I've
>played all 3.1 millon exp. Its very gratifying to know I've earned what
>I've got, and havn't just let my computer run it for me.
>
>
> Grrr! I'm done now.
>
Now, that I can say is soo pathetic.. Obviously you have no life
whatsoever. Don't you have a job? A family? Anything? You are
truely pathetic to spend so much time playing for 3.1 million
experience... when on average you only get 300-400 exp per monster.
That is truely a waste of time. How many hours is that of your life
wasted away on a computer? I can see it if you have already retired
or if your job is to play mud all day and you get payed for it.. but I
guess that neither of that is true.. Spending that much time is
truely a sick thing.. Sorry for saying that much.. but it's just
pathetic.
Cameron Shaffer
On 9 Mar 1997 15:58:15 GMT, zoc...@aol.com (Zocalo) wrote:
>Please, Please people, if any of you find good money of stat bugs for
>major mud, don't post em here, don't tell dan. Start a mailing list of
>people or somthing but you must realize if th designers of the game
>(naimly Craig from what I understand) will fix that bug in the next
>version, and personaly, I am sick of never haveing any money, and I am not
>above cheating to get it <G>.
>
>Zocalo
Um, well unlike you.. I prefer to know of the bugs that are in the
game. And of course the designers are gonna find out about them for
gods sake they designed the game.. do you think they are that stupid
that they won't find out eventually? I say let the bugs fly out the
window so other people can enjoy them while they are still around.
No sense being a greedy hog about it.
Snowman
OK I don’t post here a lot.. but I just wanted to say that just
because someone chooses to "type" in the commands doesn’t mean that
they don’t have a life.. it just means that how they choose to play..
isn’t that the way MajorMUD was meant to be played?.. (granted at
level 20+ it gets to the point where you WANT to script 24/7 to get up
1 level) and I admit I like to script at lower levels at time.. but
when I’m scripting I’m not partying with my friends.. watching TV or
whatever else is brain numbing to me.. instead I develop WEB pages for
around $15 hour (not to bad really).
Also since you have so much spare time learn how to spell some very
simple words right.. E.G. "truely" is spelled "truly" doesn’t have a
"e" in it and "payed" is "paid" very simple.
Snowman
SynapseV^Vampire
> >Now, that I can say is soo pathetic.. Obviously you have no life
> >whatsoever. Don't you have a job? A family? Anything? You are
> >truely pathetic to spend so much time playing for 3.1 million
> >experience... when on average you only get 300-400 exp per monster.
> >That is truely a waste of time. How many hours is that of your life
> >wasted away on a computer? I can see it if you have already retired
> >or if your job is to play mud all day and you get payed for it.. but I
> >guess that neither of that is true.. Spending that much time is
> >truely a sick thing.. Sorry for saying that much.. but it's just
> >pathetic.
How one chooses to spend their time is their business.
I'd have to disagree with your allusion to a job being more important than
doing what the person enjoys - sadly most don't have a job they enjoy.
I see nothing wrong with a scripter, except that most don't admit that they
haven't played the game, rather used a slow hack and whine at others who
don't take the easy way out...
What's pathetic here is your inability to allow others to play a game
because they enjoy it. You do it for power (scripting), they do it (and
many to excess - right, me included) because they enjoy the game.
I have spent many years studying and playing chess, and various other
hobbies - all of which are likely pathetic to you - you could just let a
chess program play itself., etc...
Karrde
> Now, that I can say is soo pathetic.. Obviously you have no life
> whatsoever. Don't you have a job? A family? Anything? You are
> truely pathetic to spend so much time playing for 3.1 million
> experience... when on average you only get 300-400 exp per monster.
> That is truely a waste of time. How many hours is that of your life
> wasted away on a computer? I can see it if you have already retired
> or if your job is to play mud all day and you get payed for it.. but I
> guess that neither of that is true.. Spending that much time is
> truely a sick thing.. Sorry for saying that much.. but it's just
> pathetic.
No, what's pathetic is the fact that people seem to need to get to
level 20 in a week, or they get bored with the game, or they HAVE to
beat the dragon or else they aren't good at the game. On this very
thread, someone even said that they're sick of not having $, and are
willing to cheat to get it. In the case of people who hex-edit the
games, it IS outright cheating.
C'mon.....that's NOT the point of a game like this. There are MUCH
better games for hack/slash with plenty of bells & whistles. What makes
this game fun for most is the interaction with other people, and the
challenge of building up a character or characters along with other
people doing the same thing. My primary character is a level 17 paladin
with 3.2 million XP. I have a good job, a family, and a pretty good
life, and an unscripted character that I'm pretty damn proud of. You
want to script, that's fine...but I personally will have less respect
for someone who scripts a level 30 ranger than I will for a hand-played
level 8 thief. In my opinion, the thief is the better player. The one
common thing I've seen with scripted characters is that people simply
DON'T KNOW what the char can do. I actually met someone who scripted a
gypsy up to lvl 25 before they realized that you can rob with one.
And now with 1.1h, the argument of the high-level tables being
outrageous to the point of REQUIRING scripts is gone. I had a 115K xp
day the other day over a period of four hours. So what if it'll take me
almost a week to level at that rate. I'm having FUN playing alongside
other people who enjoy the game. If I only wanted to hack/slash and
kill, I can go out and buy one of hundreds of RPGs out there, and not
tie up my phone line.
Basically my point is, different strokes for different folks, but
personally, I'll stick to my non-script BBS and not only play the game,
but make some friends along the way.
My 2 cents
Karrde
MTack82522
Here my 10 cents... Who cares? The only way scripting helps is in PVP
combat... yeah you can get all the neat stuff but you sure as hell cant
carry it all... <G> But i think its unfair for those who use it to get an
advantage of PVP combat... As you can tell i dont partake in PVP <G> But
hell Its a game and we are all getting worked up over it.. its the same as
the person with lots of time playing and people who have lots to do and
hardly any time to play that script... Yeah i do script but only at night
when noone is on... I have a script that when walkin around attacks
monsters cuz my typin sux! I prefer to play the game with other people...
It way more fun to be able to talk and have fun while killin things... it
get boring killing ankheg after ankheg alone... There scripting takes the
edge off... Again im not saying im right or anyone else is right or
wrong.. just that its not worth arguing cuz people have their own views...
People see things how they are gonna see things... Trying to push yer
opinion onto others is prolly just gonna get arguing and not a change of
view <G> hey juet play the game how yer gonna play the game <G> See i suck
at typing <G>
=8) Metro Lv 29 Dwarf Paladin StarEagle BBS 1-513-575-7440
error
It is funny how everyone here is trying to teach everyone else the
value of mud, or how to spell things.. =)
It is simple.. Some people like chocolate ice cream, others prefer
strawberry. If you don't like scripting, don't script. If you do then
do. Hey, if you like mud play it. Period.
THE FRIGGIN POINT IS TO HAVE FUN!
NOT ONE PERSON is gonna stop scripting or start scripting just because
you insist it is right or wrong.
-error
byca...@gte.net (Snowman) wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:43:44 GMT, cra...@earthlink.net (Cameron
>Shaffer) wrote:
>
>>On 10 Mar 1997 21:34:08 GMT, tor...@aol.com (Torsch) wrote:
>>
>>> You are 100% right. I'm so sick of all these people scripting their way
>>>to level 30 and above, just taking all the good stuff and basically being
>>>jerks about it. I have a level 17 ranger, and I'm proud to say that I've
>>>played all 3.1 millon exp. Its very gratifying to know I've earned what
>>>I've got, and havn't just let my computer run it for me.
>>>
>>>
>>> Grrr! I'm done now.
>>>
>>
>>Now, that I can say is soo pathetic.. Obviously you have no life
>>whatsoever. Don't you have a job? A family? Anything? You are
>>truely pathetic to spend so much time playing for 3.1 million
>>experience... when on average you only get 300-400 exp per monster.
>>That is truely a waste of time. How many hours is that of your life
>>wasted away on a computer? I can see it if you have already retired
>>or if your job is to play mud all day and you get payed for it.. but I
>>guess that neither of that is true.. Spending that much time is
>>truely a sick thing.. Sorry for saying that much.. but it's just
>>pathetic.
>>
>
I1000101
i like strawberry ice cream
Abyssmia
some unorignal jerk wrote:
>
> Oh shut the fuck up you DORK.<<
This type of statement sorta proves how unoriginal you are and why you
attack for no other reason than to hear yerself type in public.
>> Lets not start with the scripting argument. <<
It belongs here just as much as scripting methods do. Take yer own
advice.
>> I dont like scripting any more than you do, but some people have lives and dont want to spend most of it sitting on their asses playing a game.<<
For some people, a large part of their lives is playing MMUD, not
scripting. If someone scripts then why even bother with the game in the
first place?? Moot point IMHO.
>> You sound like you dont like the assholes on your board.......Dont blame scripting as the problem.<<
Scripters *are* a problem when they preach their technique to those who
don't nor understand why someone wouldn't. I know for a fact that some
scripters make the only time they are online in person to haraess those
who don't script. As someone who doesn't script i would think you would
understand this angst rather than attack someone who is clearly feeling
frustrated with the way the system works on most boards and stating
thus.
My suggestion to those who don't script and don't want to deal with
scripters is to go to a BBS where they don't allow it such as ours.
Never done,
SynapseV^Vampire
> Oh shut the fuck up you DORK. Lets not start with the scripting
> argument. The original question was about CHEATS. Scripting in by no
> scripting any more than you do, but some people have lives and dont
> made 13 million (non-scripted) it has taken 2 years worth of weekends.
> the assholes on your board.......Dont blame scripting as the problem.
My guess is that person doesn't like scripters because scripters are power
hungry, so they cheat the game by scripting. Saying that scripting is a
personal choice is meaningless in this context, so is robbing a bank...
I've heard all the reasons why scripting isn't a cheat - all of which were
silly and loaded with lil flamelets from the defenseless scripter. The real
point is so what if they want to cheat? I don't care, I just find scripting
dull, and kill them on site.
Your only form of communication was to suggest that those that don't live
life as you think it should be are wrong. And such a great descriptive -
DORK...
Hawaii.edu, eh? You a janitor there, or just another facist seeking an
education?
Venom_Spit
I1000101 <i100...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970315170...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> i like strawberry ice cream
>
HEY I LIKE CHOCOLATE! GET OUTA MY FACE. :)
Cameron Shaffer
On 15 Mar 1997 23:47:53 GMT, "SynapseV^Vampire" <k...@pacbell.net>
wrote:
Ok, so maybe people don't like scripting... but the are you gonna do
about it?? I mean what in gods name are you gonna do about it? Cry
like babies over a newsgroup? Oh ya... I can see how that's gonna
change anything... Why don't you go annoy someone else with your
bitching and complaining..
Anastasia
Cameron Shaffer wrote:
>
> Ok, so maybe people don't like scripting... but the are you gonna do
> about it?? I mean what in gods name are you gonna do about it? Cry
> like babies over a newsgroup? Oh ya... I can see how that's gonna
> change anything... Why don't you go annoy someone else with your
> bitching and complaining..
Not sure who yer responding to hear. The previous response didn't seem
the "whining" sort. Perhaps you meant the previous post?
BMcne77
Oh, personally I love scripters.
There's no easier player to kill =)
Tyran
Lev 14 Mage/Lvl 10 Thief/Lvl 10 Paladin
Abyssmia
Mark Rossi wrote:
>
> BMcne77 (bmc...@aol.com) wrote:
>
> You ever try to take on a level 39 scripter that fights back?
> (with over 450 hps, and holds)
It's called gangbanging.
Mark Rossi
BMcne77 (bmc...@aol.com) wrote:
You ever try to take on a level 39 scripter that fights back?
(with over 450 hps, and holds)
: Oh, personally I love scripters.
Torsch
How about a nice fuck you? Oh, mister 13 million... SHould I respect
you for that? Hand played... So when you say some people have no life
(like your example, me), your saying the same damn thing about yourself.
13 million is more than 3 million, in case you have trouble counting past
your fingers.
And yes, scripting is cheating in alot of peoples books. Having the
computer rack up experiance without you ever touching your character seems
a bit like it to me. If you don't have time to "sit on your ass and play
all day" why the would you play in the first place? You make me sick.
Anastasia
Mark Rossi wrote:
> One doesnt need to script to get past level 10, but if all your
> characters on your bbs are level 10 then it wouldnt be to had for someone
> to start scripting an easily pass up the rest of the bbs, in which case
> once gaining good status, it would be very difficult to kill off,
I have three characters at alternating levels just for that very
purpose. The MUD-OP can use lightening on them quite easily if all else
fails.
> attacking a good person is same as 3 attacks, by the time u kill him u'd
> be outlaw, thats like 3 attacks worth...
On our BBS, the MUD-OP removes all evil points acrued during attacking a
scripter. No fuss, no muss.
SynapseV^Vampire
> You ever try to take on a level 39 scripter that fights back?
> (with over 450 hps, and holds)
Nope. Ever tried fighting a hacked level 250 character? Equally dull,
unearned and unbalanced.
We've never had a scripter get past lev 10 (we let them go with minor
warnings until then). Then the whole BBS repeatedly *apprenticizes* their
prideless butt...
Mark Rossi
SynapseV^Vampire (k...@pacbell.net) wrote:
One doesnt need to script to get past level 10, but if all your
characters on your bbs are level 10 then it wouldnt be to had for someone
to start scripting an easily pass up the rest of the bbs, in which case
once gaining good status, it would be very difficult to kill off,
attacking a good person is same as 3 attacks, by the time u kill him u'd
be outlaw, thats like 3 attacks worth...
: > You ever try to take on a level 39 scripter that fights back?
:
:
SynapseV^Vampire
> One doesnt need to script to get past level 10, but if all your
> characters on your bbs are level 10 then it wouldnt be to had for someone
> to start scripting an easily pass up the rest of the bbs, in which case
> once gaining good status, it would be very difficult to kill off,
> attacking a good person is same as 3 attacks, by the time u kill him u'd
> be outlaw, thats like 3 attacks worth...
We have plenty of lev 20+ people, and a PvP of 10 levels - so it's very
simple to erradicate the nuisance. I don't know what made you think we were
a level 10 BBS - we have a very strong BBS, considering the characters are
all real ones (non-scripted). Not only that, it's a very social BBS,
something not suited to scripting.
As for evil points, the MUD OP removes them from those who kill scripters.
Sometimes a bounty too. If the scripter decides to try slamming (hanging
up) to avoid death, the MUD OP supplies a generous LBOLTing as compensation
upon return.
Again, not until after gently trying to dissuade the power hungry to join a
like-minded BBS. If they don't get the hint, a few *apprenticeships* does
it.
Nope, scripters can't survive on our BBS. Evil players? Sure... But not
scripters <shudder>
We're one of the few real MMUD sites out there, and growing as a result.
Kendryll
If there is anything I do not like doing its arguing about scripting.. but
I will put in my two cents.. first off .. maybe it is a bit unfair if
EVERYONE can notcript.. but that is generally not the case.. its there to
be used.. second off i think it sucks when people script from level 1..
kinda stupid.. I like scripting.. when you start needing a mil-3 mil to
gain a level.. then it just gets to be a pain in the ass and you do not
see any character advancement.. lower levels.. you fight and gain a level
its cool.. higher levels .. you fight... and fight... and fight... and
well you get the picture.. stuff just does not give enough exp points to
facilitate even a DECENT rise in levels
Anastasia
Kendryll wrote:
>
Kendryll,
I liked what you had to say and how you said it. I only differ with you
on one level as stated below:
> when you start needing a mil-3 mil to
> gain a level.. then it just gets to be a pain in the ass and you do not
> see any character advancement.. lower levels.. you fight and gain a level
> its cool.. higher levels .. you fight... and fight... and fight...
Then why play the game? If it's a pain in the arse then i don't see any
justification in the continuing of play. The game *is* addicting so
it's hard not to play after so many levels, but part of the joy/pain is
the endurance it has taken me to level my character time and time again
w/o scripting. I guess i just have a hard time understanding why
someone would play only to end up scripting and never be there to play
the character unless it was to PVP or level. Seems rather pointless
unless it's only about power and not about playing.
TheHorsman
I see many good points and poor points for scripting, but lets clarify
things... It is an assumption that people don't know shit if they scripted
their character to a decent level, well thats bullshit.. I have scripted 3
characters above 15th level and I can do just about anything with those
characters, as most scripting players can. I read in an earlier post that
some gypsy didn't know they could rob, well thats not because they are a
scripter, its because they are a dumbfuck. I enjoy playing the game when I
am at the keyboard, but which do you enjoy more, playing it at 6th level
killing little skeletons in the baby crypt, or taking a group of friends
and kicking the shit out of the ice sorceress? Scripting is a way of
advancing yourself instead of wasting away sitting in front of a computer
screen. However I do enjoy blasting most people's scripts because they are
usually copied off of someone from the net... If you create something
yourself, you should be able to use it.... Besides, if WCC wanted to stop
scripting, they could add certain features to monsters such as spells like
rotting flesh or monsters that stun you like a heavy bone mace would..
Those are extremely annoying... And I don't know how many of you have
tried to script the newest mod? those areas are a bitch to script because
of some of the neat little features they added. They know how to stop
scripting, they have just chosen not to....
The Horseman 18th lvl paladin/16th lvl thief/ 15th lvl missionary
Kendryll
Well .. I dunno.. maybe thats true.. but I lay on a slow board where the
main traffic is 8pm till 12pm .. after that there is no one on .. if there
are people in the mud.,. I play real.. I party cuz thats where the fun
is.. can you tell me you honestly LIKE roaming around lava fields by
yourself just to gain experience.. maybe if I was on a big board where
there are people on and into partying CONSTANTLY .. I would have a
different attitude.. but after 12 o clock there are two people in line..
me and another scripter :)
stor...@ibm.net
Just out of curiosity.. why would anyone want to pay money for their
computers to have fun? I mean if its a free board and you never use
your computer to do other stuff that's kewl.. personally I dont have
the money to just throw around like that.. but whatever floats
people's bubbles.. Doesnt bother me too much though.. there are no
more scripted chars that play on the board I play on.. the ones that
come get unwelcomed and either stop or play on a board that enjoys
scripters... guess it's a matter of opinion and taste.
Stormcrow
SynapseV^Vampire
> If there is anything I do not like doing its arguing about scripting..
but
> I will put in my two cents..
With others or yourself?
> first off .. maybe it is a bit unfair if
> EVERYONE can notcript.. but that is generally not the case.. its there to
> be used..
It's not within the game to be used. It's an external method to avoid
playing... And not surprisingly, by your own logic, it's unfair. Not all
can script, you said it yourself, it's *generally not the case*. Some
cannot script - some have limited access to telnet which requires a
proprietary telnet account which doesn't support a scripting language.. I
find scripting at least as dull as you find playing the game.
It's odd that you'd use the logic that because it's possible for all to do
something that it's OK to do... Cheating on tests, lying on resumes, armed
robbery... There are lots of things you can choose to do which are
*generally* available. Not that those are the same, but the reasoning is.
> second off i think it sucks when people script from level 1..
> kinda stupid.. I like scripting..
If you resolve the argument with yourself about scripting, perhaps the
topic won't be so distasteful.
Time is a relative thing - your threshold for MMUD playing isn't level 1,
but if they script from lev 1,10, or 20, it's still just avoiding playing,
and devalues the idea of having any difficulty. I suggest that if there
were 5000 levels at 100K each, you'd still script. The level has nothing to
do with it - it's the power of the higher than average level char that you
seek. To Hell with earning it. Which is what bothers many opposed to
scripting, and why I consider it a cheat. So whether it's level 1 or 10,
the implication of your *kinda stupid* statement is our common denominator.
> when you start needing a mil-3 mil to
> gain a level.. then it just gets to be a pain in the ass and you do not
> see any character advancement..
You mean it's slow. So you use a semi-instant-G.
> lower levels.. you fight and gain a level
> its cool.. higher levels .. you fight... and fight... and fight... and
> well you get the picture.. stuff just does not give enough exp points to
> facilitate even a DECENT rise in levels
Different strategies will produce different results. I liked Abyssmia's
response to this - why do you play? Or rather, why is it you don't play?
My intent isn't to achieve a level 50 char, nor is it to have the most
powerful char - I enjoy the game (non-scripted BBS's), in large part due to
the social aspects.
If there were an *end* to the game, I could understand some people wanting
to hurry to it. But what is the real motivation of scripting something that
has no end, but rather is designed to be played?
I understand why you don't like arguing this point. You somehow believe
that by scripting, the character hasn't become the product of a program
running tirelessly to increase the capabilities of what you had once
enjoyed and earned. But the long and short of it is it's a slow hack. The
net effect being the same as someone who has truly hacked the database of a
char to each level, then played for some small fraction of the time.
Don't misunderstand, I don't care that people choose not to play. Our BBS
has made the decision that we will have a real MMUD BBS, and kill scripters
But I can understand non-programmers getting a kick out of
writing/modifying/running a script. I just take exception to their rule
making about scripting (in your case from level 1), and that a scripter
would speak of a character created in this fashion as if it wasn't owned by
a script - it is. You quit.
Maverick
And I don't know how many of you have
> tried to script the newest mod? those areas are a bitch to script because
> of some of the neat little features they added. They know how to stop
> scripting, they have just chosen not to....
> The Horseman 18th lvl paladin/16th lvl thief/ 15th lvl missionary
>
Well I see everyone else adding there two cents about scripting so I guess
I will add mine. First of all scripting for the new mod's is rather easy
if you can find the right script or you know the realm and the little
tricks of the realm. The biggest problem with new areas is the regen rate.
I know for me it is hard for me to script when I am not around because I
am a criminal but I still do it. Now granted I am only a 6th level ninja
but I am engaged to a 17th level kang warrior so I do know what I am
talking about. If you would like a script to help you out just let us know
what you are and what area you are wanting to script in. One other thing
the scripts that we have only work with telemate.
Stinger 6th level ninja
Abyssmia
TheHorsman wrote:
> I enjoy playing the game when I
> am at the keyboard, but which do you enjoy more, playing it at 6th level
> killing little skeletons in the baby crypt, or taking a group of friends
> and kicking the shit out of the ice sorceress?
There's nothing wrong with being a lower level - everyone was a lower
level at some point. A player at level 16 is not necessarily superior
to a level 6 player simply becoz they can kill bigger critters. That's
a rather macho attitude.
> Scripting is a way of
> advancing yourself instead of wasting away sitting in front of a computer
> screen.
I don't see playing at the keyboard as a waste since i spend some part
of that time being social. I write programs for a living - don't feel
the need to program my games as well. Scripting is indeed a way to
advance the char, but it doesn't enhance the game playing unless you are
only concerned with power. Power is in the essence of any role-playing
game, but when MUDs were first developed, they were created to be social
as well as hack-n-slash designs.
I guess my confusion lies in why someone would play a MUD that requires
they script in order for them to enjoy it rather than play another form
of MUD or game with more immediate results to satiate those desires for
powers and levels. I've no intention of making scripters think they
shouldn't script so much as trying to determine why they don't want to
play a game that was initially designed to be socially interactive. I
know that i wouldn't buy game software that i install only to hit a
button and let it run on it's own.
I think it's called a screen-saver.
Peace,
Abyssmia
TheHorsman wrote:
Peace,
Abyssmia
You pose an interesting point about MMUD environments. Sort of a
"chicken and the egg" question about what came first - scripters or the
slow unpopulated atmosphere.
On our BBS there's almost always someone on and we often form partries.
Many of us play very late at night. We talk a lot in public and we carry
on with each other and know the players fairly well. I think yer right
to assume that a BBS with no players, but scripters would not persuade
others to be socially inclined.
I understand that many find the levels too grueling and long to sit and
play for hours, but i find it relaxing. I put headphones on and i play
two characters at once which makes the game even more fun to play.
I think the smart move for a lot of BBS's was/is to create boards
specifically for scripters and for non-scripters (and some are non-PVP
as well). It makes for a much more harmonious environment.
SynapseV^Vampire
> of some of the neat little features they added. They know how to stop
> scripting, they have just chosen not to....
It's simple economics - they want to sell licenses. They could care less if
everyone hacked the database, as long as they get the $.
As for stopping scripting - guess again. Short of requiring interactive
responses to random databases of questions, they could not stop it.
If in your attempt to create a script you have difficulties, I'd suggest
you contact a programmer - next thing you know you'll be coding for a
living, and find scripting a game pretty dull.
SynapseV^Vampire
> different attitude.. but after 12 o clock there are two people in line..
> me and another scripter :)
Probably because people got bored of coming on and seeing power hungry
scripters going instead of a MUD.
None
In article <19970321181...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
kend...@aol.com (Kendryll) wrote:
> If there is anything I do not like doing its arguing about scripting.. but
> I will put in my two cents.. first off .. maybe it is a bit unfair if
> EVERYONE can notcript.. but that is generally not the case.. its there to
> be used.. second off i think it sucks when people script from level 1..
> kinda stupid.. I like scripting.. when you start needing a mil-3 mil to
> gain a level.. then it just gets to be a pain in the ass and you do not
> see any character advancement.. lower levels.. you fight and gain a level
> its cool.. higher levels .. you fight... and fight... and fight... and
> well you get the picture.. stuff just does not give enough exp points to
> facilitate even a DECENT rise in levels
Uh, what is scripting?
--
Whatever life gives you try not to step in it
error
"SynapseV^Vampire" <k...@pacbell.net> wrote:
This guy spent half an hour thinking of good stuff to say to try to
get ppl to stop scripting.. hehe ppl aren't gonna stop scripting
dude.. ppl who do armed robery do so cause it is what makes them
happy. Or maybe cause it is all the can do.. Maybe the guys here who
script do so cause they actually have a wife and family and couldn't
stay at keys like we do. At anyrate I see you ppl who flame others
for scripting as the lame ones..
-error
>> If there is anything I do not like doing its arguing about scripting..
>but
>> I will put in my two cents..
>
>With others or yourself?
>
>> first off .. maybe it is a bit unfair if
>> EVERYONE can notcript.. but that is generally not the case.. its there to
>> be used..
>
>It's not within the game to be used. It's an external method to avoid
>playing... And not surprisingly, by your own logic, it's unfair. Not all
>can script, you said it yourself, it's *generally not the case*. Some
>cannot script - some have limited access to telnet which requires a
>proprietary telnet account which doesn't support a scripting language.. I
>find scripting at least as dull as you find playing the game.
>
>It's odd that you'd use the logic that because it's possible for all to do
>something that it's OK to do... Cheating on tests, lying on resumes, armed
>robbery... There are lots of things you can choose to do which are
>*generally* available. Not that those are the same, but the reasoning is.
>
>> second off i think it sucks when people script from level 1..
>> kinda stupid.. I like scripting..
>
>If you resolve the argument with yourself about scripting, perhaps the
>topic won't be so distasteful.
>
>Time is a relative thing - your threshold for MMUD playing isn't level 1,
>but if they script from lev 1,10, or 20, it's still just avoiding playing,
>and devalues the idea of having any difficulty. I suggest that if there
>were 5000 levels at 100K each, you'd still script. The level has nothing to
>do with it - it's the power of the higher than average level char that you
>seek. To Hell with earning it. Which is what bothers many opposed to
>scripting, and why I consider it a cheat. So whether it's level 1 or 10,
>the implication of your *kinda stupid* statement is our common denominator.
>
>> when you start needing a mil-3 mil to
>> gain a level.. then it just gets to be a pain in the ass and you do not
>> see any character advancement..
>
>You mean it's slow. So you use a semi-instant-G.
>
>> lower levels.. you fight and gain a level
>> its cool.. higher levels .. you fight... and fight... and fight... and
>> well you get the picture.. stuff just does not give enough exp points to
>> facilitate even a DECENT rise in levels
>
error
Abyssmia <abys...@compuserve.com> wrote:
DOH ABYSSMIA!
The guy just told you he ENJOYED playing the game.. We may enjoy
something different.. That is life. I wouldn't flame someone cause
they liked to script..
You sound like a bad car saleswoman or something =)
-error
>I think it's called a screen-saver.
>
Abyssmia
error wrote:
> The guy just told you he ENJOYED playing the game..
Sorry - i don't equate scripting with playing.
> We may enjoy something different..
And that's fine - i have no problem with that. I'm certainly not
flaming anyone, simply stating another side that is often neglected.
> You sound like a bad car saleswoman or something =)
Now that would be construed as a flame - don't go there, m'dear. It'
shan't be pretty.
Abyssmia
Mark Rossi wrote:
>
> Anastasia (abys...@compuserve.com) wrote:
>
> Laugh talk about cheating, thats as bad as the crime itself
My online name is Abyssmia. My real life name is Anastasia. Crime,
no. Confusing to some people, yes.
Mark Rossi
Anastasia (abys...@compuserve.com) wrote:
Laugh talk about cheating, thats as bad as the crime itself
: I have three characters at alternating levels just for that very
: purpose. The MUD-OP can use lightening on them quite easily if all else
: fails.
:
: On our BBS, the MUD-OP removes all evil points acrued during attacking a
: scripter. No fuss, no muss.
:
: Abyssmia
BMcne77
I've killed scripters that were higher level and fought back...
thing is, the script can never make up for a real person...
so I would simply outhink the script, so to speak...
and if that doesn't work, simply lure enough creatures in there so that
they either get blicked or have to hang up =)
it's fun...
so, I don't have any problems with scripters...
except maybe when they start bragging about their levels
I'd be more impressed with a 25th lvl non-scripter than a 35th lvl
scripter...
just my two-cents... really, if you script, it does'nt mean I hate you as
a person, or something rediculously silly like that, I just personally
prefer not to.
=) Just remember, number 1, it's just a game =)
-BMc...@aol.com
SynapseV^Vampire
>
> Laugh talk about cheating, thats as bad as the crime itself
<knocking on monitor> anybody home?
Scripting is a crime? Having more than 1 char is cheating? Having the Sysop
remove evil?
It would be helpful if you could identify what part of a message your
responding to, then again, mebbe not :)
Cameron Shaffer
First of All.. The only time I script is when I am at Work or
Asleep... I didn't say I sat there and watched my computer script. I
use my computer for a lot of useful things.. and the BBS I call to
play MUD, when I'm around I play MUD.. and if not MUD, I play other
games like doom and War craft. So.. I guess I don't waste my money..
I just use the unused time wisely. I just hate to see the money I
spend monthly go to waste while i'm at work.
Synapse V^Vampire
> DOH ABYSSMIA!
> The guy just told you he ENJOYED playing the game.. We may enjoy
> something different.. That is life. I wouldn't flame someone cause
> they liked to script..
No, he said that he scripts, but sometimes he plays and enjoys that. Not
the same as playing.
It's a self-cancelling statement. He doesn't enjoy playing, he enjoys
having incremental leaps in a scripted chars abilities, and seeing how that
character plays.
IOW, the thrill exists as a result of a slow hack - not from playing. Not
to say I really care if someone hasn't the time/inclination to play. But
it's annoying to hear people talk of a scritps character as if it were
something they had earned.
BTW, Abyssmia is a Systems Analyst/Administrator for a Fortune 500 firm.
And she hadn't flamed anyone. Simply stated her thoughts, logically and
accurately.
Your response (aside from the DOH and bad saleswoman wisecrack) is that
it's OK because that's what they (you) like. Such a simplistic statement
doesn't hold up here any better than if you had cheated a chess game or
robbed a bank because you *enjoy something different*.
True, scripting isn't a crime. And nobody really cares if people script.
But the people who do, typically have common denominators which are
uncommon to those who don't. The self-serving, Instant-G approach doesn't
fit well in a multi-user environment.
You sound like a good scripter, not to say a good programmer, but I'll bet
you're real good at starting a script.
Take the compliment. I suspect it's the only one you've earned in a while:)
Abyssmia
BMcne77 wrote:
> =) Just remember, number 1, it's just a game =)
Zactly!! Well stated number 1 :)
error
"SynapseV^Vampire" <k...@pacbell.net> wrote:
If you don't know that removing evil from someone is cheating, and you
need us to tell you.. That is bad. If someone accidently gains evil or
any other means of game given punishment, that is that. Removing,
editing altering, etc is cheating bud.
-error
error
Abyssmia <abys...@compuserve.com> wrote:
It was a flame I did go there.. That is what newsgroups consist of..
You can't sit there and tell me you would be here writing in this
newsgroup if someone wasn't gonna flame you for doing it.. Now that
wouldn't have any adventure would it?
-error
>error wrote:
>
>> The guy just told you he ENJOYED playing the game..
>
>Sorry - i don't equate scripting with playing.
>
>> We may enjoy something different..
>
>And that's fine - i have no problem with that. I'm certainly not
>flaming anyone, simply stating another side that is often neglected.
>
>> You sound like a bad car saleswoman or something =)
>
>Now that would be construed as a flame - don't go there, m'dear. It'
>shan't be pretty.
>
>Peace,
>
error
"Synapse V^Vampire" <k...@pacbell.com> wrote:
Well to tell you truthyfully, I read your letter twice and still
didn't get your point.. A slow hack that is funny.. Actually I play by
hand.. I am so sick of hearing you guys whine about scriptors doing
you some injustice I just must say soemthing.. Sides it's fun to see
you guys get all roused up and junk =)
-error
>> DOH ABYSSMIA!
>> The guy just told you he ENJOYED playing the game.. We may enjoy
>> something different.. That is life. I wouldn't flame someone cause
>> they liked to script..
>> You sound like a bad car saleswoman or something =)
Abyssmia
In the past, scripters have tried to justify scripting by saying that
because it is available it isn't cheating. Well, scripting may be
available, but it doesn't "come" with the game.
The ability of a Sysop to remove EPs on the other hand, comes with a
purpose and is part and parcel of the game. Sometimes people accidently
hit other players and don't get the "forgive" within the 5 minutes, etc.
As for removing EPs from someone who attacks a scripter, it's not
cheating since this is one of the main guidelines set in this particular
BBS long ago. If you have a problem with that you would simply not play
at that particular BBS. Same as i would never play on a scripters
board.
Abyssmia
error wrote:
>
> It was a flame I did go there.. That is what newsgroups consist of..
> You can't sit there and tell me you would be here writing in this
> newsgroup if someone wasn't gonna flame you for doing it.. Now that
> wouldn't have any adventure would it?
Flaming is old hat - a small wee talent that most any individual can
do. Talking constructively and intelligently about the topic of the
newsgroup, OTOH, is hard for some. I'm used to the eighth grade reading
level of the majority of mosts newsgroups. I've been on newsgroups for
some 6 years now.
If you find flaming an "adventure" i would suggest politics as a career.
Try a little harder next time and you might even create a flicker of a
flame.
Abyssmia
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Abyssmia
error
> I am so sick of hearing you guys whine about scriptors doing
> you some injustice I just must say soemthing.. Sides it's fun to see
> you guys get all roused up and junk =)
Well - firstly, you must make up your mind. You stated two things which
cancel each other out above. Either you like hearing these arguments
are you don't.
Secondly, no on here has equated what scripters do as injustice to us
personally. Never, not once. I think you must have your posts confused
since you were also confused with the post's meaning.
Abyssmia
Abyssmia
error wrote:
> It's cheating.. Period.
I'm afraid no one has a clue as to what you are referring to.
Abyssmia
error
Abyssmia <abys...@compuserve.com> wrote:
It's cheating.. Period.
>Mark Rossi wrote:
>>
>> Anastasia (abys...@compuserve.com) wrote:
>>
>> Laugh talk about cheating, thats as bad as the crime itself
>
>My online name is Abyssmia. My real life name is Anastasia. Crime,
>no. Confusing to some people, yes.
>
Synapse V^Vampire
> Well to tell you truthyfully, I read your letter twice and still
> didn't get your point..
If there's a particular section which is unclear, try quoting it. I tend to
do that to minimize confusion. Should I follow your example and merge
conflicting statements into single paragraphs - would that clarify?:)
> A slow hack that is funny..
Did I forget to say crude and inefficient?
>Actually I play by
> hand.. I am so sick of hearing you guys whine about scriptors doing
> you some injustice I just must say soemthing..
I have never started a post regarding this. Simply responded on a point
basis (as I did here). But I would much prefer my *whinings* to a post like
yours, which creates issues, then when responded to doesn't address the
responses, rather makes statements like yer whining...
> Sides it's fun to see
> you guys get all roused up and junk =)
Aroused by what you don't understand?
Oddly, I did get a form of entertainment in the knowledge that you have fun
as a result of your belief that someone was roused by your posts.
error
Replying to this:
******************************************************************************************************
>To you that's a cheat, eh? Please send along the rules governing when a MUD
>OP may use their powers...
*****************************************************************************************************
That is just it.. I am not telling people not to edit alignment.. I am
not dictating to anyone else how to use/play mud. I am bagging on you
guys for bagging on others. If someone wanted to script on another bbs
why should I care? If someone wanted to zap rule breakers, or reward
their users with consequence free fun, or anything that turns their
boat why should I care? Matter of fact sounds great to me!!! Our sysop
just deletes the character.. I think that is really fair... That
person is free to try again at their own risk.. <grin>
Obviously cherating is in in the eye of the beholder whom is the
longest of wind =)
Cheers
-error
>> If you don't know that removing evil from someone is cheating, and you
>> need us to tell you.. That is bad. If someone accidently gains evil or
>> any other means of game given punishment, that is that. Removing,
>> editing altering, etc is cheating bud.
>
>So by definition, returning lives or any other sysop function is cheating.
>
>You should send that along to Lance, not me. It's a built in function
>available to the MUD OP unlike, say...scripting... It's for administering
>the BBS. Ours is run by the users themselves, with the MUD OP simply
>following their wishes.
>
>A concept uncommon to many BBS's and people. The idea of having a
>multi-user environment is extended to the governing as well.
>
>To you that's a cheat, eh? Please send along the rules governing when a MUD
>OP may use their powers...
>
Abyssmia
It is stil not clear what you are indeed responding to in any of the
several issues brought up here.
Please clarify.
Abyssmia
error wrote:
>
> Replying to this:
> ******************************************************************************************************
> >To you that's a cheat, eh? Please send along the rules governing when a MUD
> >OP may use their powers...
> ************************************************************************ *****************************
I still have no idea what you are referring to. Please clarify on what
exactly you are responding to.
Synapse V^Vampire
> If you don't know that removing evil from someone is cheating, and you
> need us to tell you.. That is bad. If someone accidently gains evil or
> any other means of game given punishment, that is that. Removing,
> editing altering, etc is cheating bud.
So by definition, returning lives or any other sysop function is cheating.
You should send that along to Lance, not me. It's a built in function
available to the MUD OP unlike, say...scripting... It's for administering
the BBS. Ours is run by the users themselves, with the MUD OP simply
following their wishes.
A concept uncommon to many BBS's and people. The idea of having a
multi-user environment is extended to the governing as well.
To you that's a cheat, eh? Please send along the rules governing when a MUD
Cynthia Allen
I have characters on two boards, level 16 and level 21 dwarf paladins.
My favorite board prohibits scripters and I "play" on that one. The
other board is nothing but scripters so I script there. Half the fun of
Mud is the social interaction and when everyone else is scripting it's
kinda boring cause there is nobody to talk to.
Unfortunately all that scripting makes for some extremely powerful
characters, especially before the pool bug was fixed. Add to that a
MudOp that removes evil points and restores lives, it makes for a very
uninviting game. Also, scripters make a lot of money so the shops are
barren. You can be killed for your dwarven workboots. Sound like fun?
Another reason to just set up your script in a secluded spot and keep
your mouth shut.
There are also advantages. You are able to build an intimidating
character yourself, in a relative short time. You always have the cash
to make big purchases whenever you see something regen. You can go kick
some major butt especially after being humbled elsewhere. Nobody thinks
you are rude when you don't answer your pages and telepaths.
Anyway, to each their own. When in Rome...etc...etc.
Abyssmia
Yer handle makes sense to me now.
Abyssmia
Well written and enlightening post, Cynthia.
error
It is quite clear to me that you are one of those people with alot of
time on your hand and that, seemingly, you love anything for the sake
of argument. It is not my battle.. These are not my soldiers.. Hell
son I just wanna go play mud =) I could careless a bout whatever it
is you guys are trying to prove. Just to bring this back where it was
heading, no one cares if you don't like how they play mud. I would
tend to believe I am a minority, most people script. That is fine with
me.. I, as a matter of fact, support it. I however, only do so after
listening to you guys preach how wrong it is
-error
Mark Rossi
: In the past, scripters have tried to justify scripting by saying that
: because it is available it isn't cheating. Well, scripting may be
: available, but it doesn't "come" with the game.
Scripting does come with the game, read the release notes the
author of the games clearly said that they made changes to make scripting
easier.
: The ability of a Sysop to remove EPs on the other hand, comes with a
: purpose and is part and parcel of the game. Sometimes people accidently
: hit other players and don't get the "forgive" within the 5 minutes, etc.
If you dont want to get Eps then set warnings on, its as simple as
that, and if someone makes the mistake once then it should not be a big
enough issuse to the point as to where the sysop has to remove EPs for one
attack.
Synapse V^Vampire
> Scripting does come with the game, read the release notes the
> author of the games clearly said that they made changes to make scripting
> easier.
Scripting does not come with the game means scripting does not come with
the game.
You cannot type Instant-G mode and a script is invoked.
They want to sell licenses, and based on the slow rate of new MMUD code
they put out, they better get them any way they can...
I never had a scripter respond to the following question:
If you could type GIMME 1 million, and then you had that much more EXP,
would you? And at what point would you stop? Would you write a script to
type GIMME 1 mil? If you could type ALL DEAD and everything died and you
had everything, would you?
That's what I liken scripting to. And again, I don't care that people
script, I just prefer a BBS with MMUD players, not people testing their
inefficient hacks...
> If you dont want to get Eps then set warnings on, its as simple as
> that, and if someone makes the mistake once then it should not be a big
> enough issuse to the point as to where the sysop has to remove EPs for
one
> attack.
The EP's issue was about a MUD OP removing them from those that kill
scripters.
Synapse V^Vampire
> It is quite clear to me that you are one of those people with alot of
> time on your hand and that, seemingly, you love anything for the sake
> of argument. It is not my battle.. These are not my soldiers.. Hell
> son I just wanna go play mud =)
It ain't in here, error... This is a newsgroup - a place where people
communicate - foreign concept?
> I could careless a bout whatever it
> is you guys are trying to prove.
I see. That's why you keep posting. No proofs sought by me. Intelligent
discourse encouraged - foreign concept?
> Just to bring this back where it was
> heading, no one cares if you don't like how they play mud.
> I would
> tend to believe I am a minority, most people script. That is fine with
> me.. I, as a matter of fact, support it. I however, only do so after
> listening to you guys preach how wrong it is
Apparently you cared or you wouldn't have changed your mind. If you had
reasons why you disliked the posts, let me assure you there were no
specifics in any of your ramblings - the only consistent behavior was
self-cancellation.
Considered changing your name to oxymoron?
Synapse V^Vampire
> Anyway, to each their own. When in Rome...etc...etc.
Agreed, and well put.
I've never argued against scripting. My only point was that it's an
Instant-G approach (a cheat), and I think it defeats the intent of a MUD.
Synapse V^Vampire
> That is just it.. I am not telling people not to edit alignment..
You said it was a cheat, right? Without justification, and seemingly,
reversing it.
Charlie Brown
Get a l haircut and a life 2
-Charlie Brown
Abyssmia
Mark Rossi wrote:
> Scripting does come with the game, read the release notes the
> author of the games clearly said that they made changes to make scripting
> easier.
Then why do people have to create programs in order to utilize
scripting?
> If you dont want to get Eps then set warnings on, its as simple as
> that, and if someone makes the mistake once then it should not be a big
> enough issuse to the point as to where the sysop has to remove EPs for one
> attack.
It is when they've been told that scripting isn't allowed and there's no
way to stop a sripter other than killing them into apprenticeship.
error
Yeah I said it was a cheat. If you wanna do it on yuor own board, and
it makes you happy.. Then why should I care.. Understand now? You are
too inteligent to act as if you don't.
Synapse V^Vampire
> PLEASE enough of this bullshit its only a "cheat" if the mud_op teleports
> to rooms and steals items...etc...
A MUD OP can only teleport to a few places, not certain rooms (at least
those are the only MUD OP functions stated in the manual - i.e., SYSOP GOTO
SILVERMERE). And there's not much to steal from Halls of the Dead,
Silvermere, etc...
There are a number of MUD OP functions available which can be used to cheat
- your analysis like your response is woefully inadequate.
> NOW can we stop bitching and get back
> to mmud?
Please do...
PFunk0000
PLEASE enough of this bullshit its only a "cheat" if the mud_op teleports
to mmud?
Abyssmia
Very good point. In all my years of MUDing these agruments have never
been satisfied on either side - tho i gather that all these ramblings
must mean something. Mebbe if we ramble long enuff we'll get
somewhere. Then again, sounds too much like the government :)
peace,
Sancrest
I have been reading posts for and against scripting for years, both in
local BBS forums and this newsgroup, and I have yet to see a completely
original argument. There is really not anything more that can be said on
the subject. Someone mentioned a "scripting domino effect" of sorts; the
effect of one person scripting and bragging about their character, causing
another to begin to script and so on. These constant battles about
scripting are very similar: someone says "I hate scripters" or "I script",
which causes someone else to respond, either in agreement or disagreement,
which causes someone else to respond. If anyone could think of a new
argument for or against scripting, the discussion might be worth the time
and effort it takes to type out the posts. But for the moment, there are
no arguments that haven't been brought up before.
-Sancrest
Mark Rossi
: If you could type GIMME 1 million, and then you had that much more EXP,
: would you? And at what point would you stop? Would you write a script to
: type GIMME 1 mil? If you could type ALL DEAD and everything died and you
: had everything, would you?
I dont see why nobody ever answered that question its not very
hard, so i'll answer it for you, If iw as given the chance to get 1
million exp I would, and at what point would i stop? I would stop when i
felt like it, (mybe when i got borred with the game) if i had the powre to
type all dead, I might use that command, i dont exactly understand what
the command would accomplish...
Mark Rossi
: PLEASE enough of this bullshit its only a "cheat" if the mud_op teleports
: to rooms and steals items...etc... NOW can we stop bitching and get back
: to mmud?
Oh realy? So hex editing the game isnt cheating? Intersting...
Abyssmia
Mark Rossi wrote:
>
> Oh realy? So hex editing the game isnt cheating?
The previous post was referring to MUD-OP's.
Synapse V^Vampire
> But for the moment, there are
> no arguments that haven't been brought up before.
Agreed, though I haven't tried to argue against scripting. Rather define
it's intent as a cheat.
I don't care whether people script, and though I find myself in a
repetitive mode too often, some haven't been reading this, nor playing MMUD
for years.
So when I see a post by someone beating on a non-scripter for calling
scripters cheats, I'm compelled to post.
I liked what you had to say, unless your intent is to kill the thread
because YOU have read it all.
This particular one is heading nowhere - but then I've never heard a
reasonable argument for scripting except they're tired of playing to get
stronger...
Abyssmia
error wrote:
>
> Actually, Abyssmia, they have been satisfied indeed..
Only for you maybe. There are new MUDders everyday who want to hear
these agruments. Not allowing them these discussion would be wrong.
> My board is a nonscript board..
> There are boards which are fullscript and
> partialscript.. =) There is no argument.. If someone wants to script
> they go where people who wanna script go..
I've stated time and time and time again. Apparently you weren't reading
those posts.
> Do tell me.. Do you and Snaps use autoattack scripts?
> Answer truthyfully..
Could you please extrapolate so the rest of the class understands what
the hell you are saying? I don't use scripts if that's what you are
asking (which i thot i'd made more than clear earlier). What is "Snaps"?
Explain yerself and mebbe the god you pray to might answer.
error
Actually, Abyssmia, they have been satisfied indeed.. My board is a
nonscript board.. There are boards which are fullscript and
partialscript.. =) There is no argument.. If someone wants to script
board, don't use any kinda of script(s) for any function.. We use
macros only.. I find this very fun.. I don't have a very interesting
character, but I am happy.. I like those neat caps of those level 40+
characters kickin butt though.. =)
Do tell me.. Do you and Snaps use autoattack scripts?
Answer truthyfully..
-error
T Keegan 1
Interesting 59 messages in here. Cheating.. hmm sysops remove evil
points?? sysops use lightning on scripters?? Amazing how your
perspective defines what cheating is or is not. But for the record.... as
i played 2 charachters to level 15, and 1 to level 18.. by hand, and now
have played/scripted a paladin to level 36 (in 17 weeks), I don't see the
point to all this. Am I power hungry.. hmm maybe.. but lets see.. 16
million for my next level.. by hand.. 4 hours a day.. 50 days. Scripting
24/7.. 9 days. Someday I would like a shot at the dragon, of course..
with the wonderful regen for parties, that would never happen. well, er..
in 5-10 years i guess. I just wonder why a board would kill scripters..
if the non-scripters are not power hungry they should not care what
scripters are doing. And maybe... just maybe. the scripters would help
the non-scripters.. what a concept. Could their be a peaceful
coexistance?? I wonder. I think maybe the problem is that the game
designers are so greedy they have created an addictive game, that they
continually make harder to play and advance, so the bbs's can make more
money. (Capitolism at it's finest).... Of course with the new version..
they will help my dwarf charachter out by giving me +1 toughness.. and
penalize me with 15% additional exp for leveling. Oh gee.. lets see.. at
my present level I lose 3 levels (costing 45 million exp).. (losing 27hp,
3sc, 6mr) and i gain 36 hp. So.. with this new improvement I gain 9 hp and
lose sc and mr. Not to mention those additional millions i will need to
gain my next levels. maybe i am beginning to babble.. even GEM is
starting to look good at this point. I like to play, interact with other
players, occasionally kill a nasty player (most gratifying after a nasty
day of work), and discover new areas, hmm have fun. This is supposed to
be fun. Maybe if you designers at dsoe would think about some of these
issues scripting wouldn't be necessary. I would love to play a game where
i didn't have to kill the same things for maybe a year or 2, so that maybe
i would be big enough to kill something else or move to a new area. So
how about some of you intelligent people come up with some ideas to make
the game just that.. one where you can advance at a more acceptable pace,
add a bit more adventure, and... (you ladies and gents fill in the rest...
Abyssmia
T Keegan 1 wrote:
You pose some good points.
> 16 million for my next level.. by hand.. 4 hours a day.. 50 days. Scripting
> 24/7.. 9 days.
If you were offered an instant level 50 char would you take it? One
could easily hex edit a game and create one (there's a few captures on
Dan's page utilizing this theory).
I feel that scripting is a way of justifying a "means to an end" because
someone is disatisfied with the game, but they could just as easily play
another game where the results are more immediate.
I think what it gets down to is how someone defines and creates play.
In my terms, i prefer infinite games - the act of playing in order to
continue the play. Rather than definite games whereby the only reason
to play is to win and end the game. A well-designed MUD will create
layers upon layers in order to satisfy both immediate results,
development of a char as well as a continuance and interest in the game.
MMUD lacks sorely in many respects, but it may improve.
> I just wonder why a board would kill scripters..
> if the non-scripters are not power hungry they should not care what
> scripters are doing.
There were several reasons that came up for not allowing scripting. The
scripts would go uninvited into another player(s) room and attack their
kill and take the money that dropped or sometimes they would even attack
other players. Also, a MUD is always a sort of microcosm of a real
world in that there is a community which defines the rules and morals of
the workings therein. Our MUD simply defined scripting as not playing
and developed ways to prevent it whenever possible.
> I think maybe the problem is that the game
> designers are so greedy they have created an addictive game, that they
> continually make harder to play and advance, so the bbs's can make more
> money.
Exactly.
> Maybe if you designers at dsoe would think about some of these
> issues scripting wouldn't be necessary. I would love to play a game where
> i didn't have to kill the same things for maybe a year or 2, so that maybe
> i would be big enough to kill something else or move to a new area. So
> how about some of you intelligent people come up with some ideas to make
> the game just that.. one where you can advance at a more acceptable pace,
> add a bit more adventure, and...
I totally agree with that. There *should* be more to the game so that
scripting wouldn't have to be a need carved out in order to *play* a
game.
peace,
Synapse V^Vampire
> Do tell me.. Do you and Snaps use autoattack scripts?
> Answer truthyfully..
Nope.
I assume since this seemed likely to you, this means you do, which means
you script.
JAMES LAVINE
Ok.. Lemme say something about these posts..
The replys that you have been sending to people seem to be more and more
like flames. By the way, I'm not trying to say that you two are mean and
useless in the forums :) you give great info and I thank you for it..
In that last message that I read, someone asked if you possibly use
auto-attack, and you come back and say he's a scripter.. where's the
sence in that??? If he's a scripter, darn, it's not gonna hurt you
unless he decides to script your board. And you have no basis to say
that he is a scripter in the first place, all he did is ask a question.
The guy that posted before that, both Synapse and Abyssmia seemed to not
like :) seemed like a guy that just wanted to post his views, and you
both pretty much flamed him cause he was a scripter. Let me put this
plainly..
Scripters are not *EVIL* and are not going to take over the world. They
simply like to win games :), If someone wants to script, and you dont
like it, then kill them, who cares. But when a game-op takes a player
down to the negatives for scripting thats kinda lame, he or she should
atleast have a hunt and kill the guy.
Just cause I'm kinda defending scripters doesn't mean that I love them
either. I dispise people that script 24-7 and never play. I think that
if you're gonna have a board that allows scripting, it should only be 8
hours a day (thats plenty if you ask me). As I said before, scripters
can easily cause a chain reaction which cuases most of the players to
script (wether in the quest to be the biggest or the baddest, or in the
quest do out-do someone you hate). This chain quickly takes away the
games fun factor if it's not handled right. On our board, a couple
poeple started scripting 24-7 so we just put in a rule for scripting, if
you script during the hours that you're not supposed to you get booted,
thats it (no you dont get ruthlessly killed and have all your stuff
taken :))
Ok.. this letter is to long, adios :)
ShadowSoul Shia'Tan
level 8 (grin) Goblin Ninja (and I played all 8 lvls too! hehehe)
Abyssmia
I don't think anyone here has stated that scripters are evil nor have
any of us stated that they are committing an offense to those who play
(esp. since those who don't script don't play on scripting boards). The
entire lack of stream of consciousness here lies in the fact that the
thread keeps getting confused with "scripters are bad" etc.
The argument from nanosecond one has been merely that scripting does not
equate with playing. That's the sum of it all. No one is trying to take
the rights away from those who chose to script. We are all merely
trying to reach some conclusion with as few flames as possible.
I'm saddened if people see this type of discussion as flaming - it's no
where near it in my definition of the word. I enjoy discussing these
things (and yes, arguing as well). Those who post that this is flaming
or that it's a waste are most likely uncomfortable with conflict and
would probably best be served to no longer read the thread.
Abyssmia
error wrote:
> Usually you cut each phrase out of each paragraph and reply to it..
> The reason why you didn't here is cause you knew better..
He knew better than...?
> this is almost as bad as that aby girls acting
> as if she doesn't know what everyone is talking about.. =)
That's *grrrl*. Semantics semantics. I know very well what everyone
else is talking about. You on the other hand, are as vague and careless
with meaning as always.
JAMES LAVINE
In article <333f3d96...@news.earthlink.net>,
cra...@earthlink.net (Cameron Shaffer) wrote:
>Let me explain something... Who cares... people script no boards that
>allow scripting... and non-scripters play on boards that ban it.. so
>let's stop bickering about it.. if you play on a board that allows
>scripting and you don't like it.. then call a different board... And
>vise versa for the scripters... end of story.. leave the newsgroup
>alone.
Shut the hell up you crazee bastard. I dont agree with you at all so
there.
Oh boy how I love to argue in depth,
ShadowSoul Shia'Tan
Lvl 8 Goblin Ninja
Synapse V^Vampire
T Keegan 1 <tkee...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970330100...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> Interesting 59 messages in here. Cheating.. hmm sysops remove evil
> points?? sysops use lightning on scripters?? Amazing how your
> perspective defines what cheating is or is not.
Interesting post.
And interesting how you take things out of context to serve you.
The MUD OP uses Lbolts if the scripter hangs up when attacked - this is
part BBS protection, and part reaction to cheating. There isn't a method to
prevent a scripter from hanging up.
All scripters are asked to go elsewhere, and if they don't comply by lev 10
- they're slaughtered for the unwanted, greedy little nuisances they are.
Since we've already defined scripting as a cheat, why should players be
punished for removing them?
> But for the record.... as
> i played 2 charachters to level 15, and 1 to level 18.. by hand, and now
> have played/scripted a paladin to level 36 (in 17 weeks), I don't see the
> point to all this.
The thread gets masked too often in defensive posturing - what you stated
is what I've stated - scripters are after Instant-G, and since you appear
to think that the game is supposed to be played for fun, it's odd that you
decided not to earn your levels.
To conserve space, I'll attempt to summarize the balance of your statements
(forgive me if I omit something you feel importatnt):
> It gets tough to level and single-handedly kill the big beasts, and the
designers seem to be advancing the idea that single-handedly it's
extrememly difficult to accomplish much.
Agreed. Wouldn't have it any other way in a MUD. Now if this were a CD game
from Sierra, I could understand your frustration. But this game has no
*end*...
A MUD is fun (addictive used by those who have had repercussions as a
result) by virtue of it's players (we have a GREAT group), and secondary is
the play. There are still *trial* versions of MMUD you could D/L and play
alone, in fact hack yer char to lev 50 - take a whole lot less time than
scripting... Not to say having goals isn't interesting, but without the
group - it's lifeless.
So is it the levels you seek to improve the quality of gaming? Or is it to
say that you have the level?
I suspect it's now the latter. It's power alone, not MUD.
You don't like MMUD anymore, so you watch the results of your computer
playing, occasionally borrowing it for some personal gratification.
As far as coexisting with a scripter - try rethinking that. If I start a
Paladin script now, and you start playing - I'll have the quest weapon
before you - and everything else. And even if I share nice-nice, it's
charity, not earned (Which is what you're complaining about - levels being
difficult). And as far as adding value to the MUD, my contribution was null
to the social aspect of the MUD.
Which is really the crux of it I think...
Lifeless, instant-g chars in our MUD? <shudder> No thanks...
Truly, I don't care if you use your computer to hack MUD. I think you'd be
better served finding a better group of people and play the game <shrug>.
Kill the scripters... it's what they really want anyway :)