Fujitsu drive not recognized by Bios
deerfern
advise which newsgroup it belongs in?
I am having a problem with a Fujitsu hard drive, model MPF3153AH 15.27GB,
the bios will not recognize it. It worked when I purchased it but not after
I fdisk'd it. I bought it off Ebay.
I have checked Fujitsu site, there is an issue of not recognizing over 8.4
GB, but even after I manually type in the cylinders, heads and sectors I
still get Hard
Drive Error.
I think perhaps the OnTrack (On Track) Disk Manager for Fujitsu might help
as it might tell the bios the disk is larger than 8.4 gb. They want $40.00
for it, and I
am wondering if I should just trash the drive or if anyone happens to have
this manager and
they would share for me? I thank you for any help you can give me.
Carol
Jenny100
news:uJ0P9.134805$qF3.10255@sccrnsc04...
> If this is the wrong newsgroup to post this question to, can someone
please
> advise which newsgroup it belongs in?
>
> I am having a problem with a Fujitsu hard drive, model MPF3153AH 15.27GB,
> the bios will not recognize it. It worked when I purchased it but not
after
> I fdisk'd it. I bought it off Ebay.
Check to see if there is a BIOS update for your motherboard.
Make sure you get the one for your exact model of motherboard.
> I have checked Fujitsu site, there is an issue of not recognizing over 8.4
> GB, but even after I manually type in the cylinders, heads and sectors I
> still get Hard Drive Error.
Strange that it won't even recognize 8.4 GB of it.
Did you go into the BIOS and set it to autodetect the hard drive?
> I think perhaps the OnTrack (On Track) Disk Manager for Fujitsu might help
> as it might tell the bios the disk is larger than 8.4 gb. They want $40.00
> for it, and I
> am wondering if I should just trash the drive
Don't trash it if you can sell it. Or use part of it.
Ralf A. Quint
<computergee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>If this is the wrong newsgroup to post this question to, can someone please
>advise which newsgroup it belongs in?
>
>I am having a problem with a Fujitsu hard drive, model MPF3153AH 15.27GB,
>the bios will not recognize it. It worked when I purchased it but not after
>I fdisk'd it. I bought it off Ebay.
Well, if you were able to use FDISK, you must have been able to access
it, so you have been already past the point that the BIOS is an issue
or not. Or you have not been clear about your problem at this point.
The most interesting question now is what kind of OS are you trying to
use and what kind of FDISK did you use in the first place.
Beside that you probably can get around any 8GB problem of the BIOS
with a BIOS upgrade, you should be aware that some OS have problems
with an 8 GB limit as well. As you have posted this in a DOS group, be
aware that any DOS but the latest FreeDOS version are unable to access
drives of that size properly.
And FDISK is doing nothing that would render the BIOS unable to
"recognize" the drive, it's a completely different level.....
Ralf
deerfern
I have decided this disk is trashed, I was able to start to fdisk it but
then it errored. After that, the BIOS was unable to recognize it.
Apparently these are very bad drives and they are not under warranty.
Thanks for all your help !
Carol
"Ralf A. Quint" <ralf_...@hottmail.com> wrote in message
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Robert Baer
NEVER, *ever* use hard drive extenders or compression software!
You are just asking for trouble; that software makes the HD look alien
to anything but itself, and in effect renders the whole drive highly
encripted.
If you have a Pentium motherboard, set the BIOS to Auto for drive type
and mode (eg: LBA, "normal", "large" modes).
Then boot with a floppy and use FDISK to remove every drive and
partition; then re-enter the partition(s) you want.
If the system automatically limits you to 8Gbytes, just go with the
flow.
Next you should be able top reboot and install the OS of your choice.
There may be an OS that will be able to use the whole drive; that may
be an option during install.
Alternately, use FDISK to remove everything, and then boot with the OS
CD for a more "integrated" install.
Robert Baer
???? *not* under warranty?
What kind of mickey-mouse outfit did you buy them from?
Fujitsu, like all of the other reputable HD makers have a 2-5 year
warranty on all HDs they sell.
Worst case, you could go back to Fujitsu and get a replacement, or
maybe even your money (rare).
I do not think there is anything wrong with the drive (at this point,
given the info); use FDISK and remove all drives and partitions.
Set your BIOS to AUTO as i mentioned elsewhere, and boot with the OS
CD, and let the OS format it.
You should be able to use at least 8Gbytes of that drive with Win9x,
WinNT, Win2K, WinMe, OS/2, or Linux.
Todd Vargo
> My error to post to MSDOS newsgroup. My apologies.
>
> I have decided this disk is trashed, I was able to start to fdisk it but
> then it errored. After that, the BIOS was unable to recognize it.
> Apparently these are very bad drives and they are not under warranty.
>
> Thanks for all your help !
>
> Carol
Ok, I'll bite. When you say "It worked when I purchased it", does that mean
it was originally partitioned and formatted as 15GB? Also, when it worked,
did you actually need to type the CHS manually prior to use?
I can understand seeing the HD Error message if the CHS setup is incorrect,
but just plain FDISKing would not trash the HD. It's possible the MBR is,
but not the physical drive. Did you try rewriting the MBR using FDISK/MBR
yet?
Also, it would help if you told us what OS you booted with when you FDISKed?
And after you FDISKed, did you also FORMAT it? What OS do you intend to
install on it?
If you still think the drive is trashed, can I have it?
--
Todd Vargo (body of message must contain my name to reply by email)
Charles Riggs
<computergee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>My error to post to MSDOS newsgroup. My apologies.
There's no need to apologize. Questions about FDISK are certainly
germane; don't let it bother you that you received a rude response
from some hotmailer, who missed the point anyway.
>I have decided this disk is trashed, I was able to start to fdisk it but
>then it errored. After that, the BIOS was unable to recognize it.
>Apparently these are very bad drives and they are not under warranty.
I've messed up a disk more than once after running FDISK, but have
always been able to recover. Hard disks are relatively cheap these
days, but you might want to give FDISK another go before trashing the
drive. What does FDISK report after you create the primary partition,
the secondary partition, and the logical drives in each, or are you
able to get that far with the program?
>Thanks for all your help !
Two of us are trying, anyway. Ignore that Quint fellow; he's just a
blowhard.
--
Charles Riggs
chriggs |at| eircom |dot| com
Charles Riggs
<ralf_...@hottmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:11:38 GMT, "deerfern"
><computergee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>If this is the wrong newsgroup to post this question to, can someone please
>>advise which newsgroup it belongs in?
>>
>>I am having a problem with a Fujitsu hard drive, model MPF3153AH 15.27GB,
>>the bios will not recognize it. It worked when I purchased it but not after
>>I fdisk'd it. I bought it off Ebay.
>
>Well, if you were able to use FDISK, you must have been able to access
>it, so you have been already past the point that the BIOS is an issue
>or not. Or you have not been clear about your problem at this point.
If you had been reading more carefully, you'd have seen that the hard
disk was recognized before she ran FDISK, but not afterwards. Her post
was perfectly "clear".
>The most interesting question now is what kind of OS are you trying to
>use and what kind of FDISK did you use in the first place.
The OS has nothing to do with it, since the hard disk isn't even being
recognized. If she says FDISK, I think we can assume she means the
FDISK supplied with MS-DOS.
>Beside that you probably can get around any 8GB problem of the BIOS
>with a BIOS upgrade, you should be aware that some OS have problems
>with an 8 GB limit as well. As you have posted this in a DOS group, be
>aware that any DOS but the latest FreeDOS version are unable to access
>drives of that size properly.
Again, this has nothing to do with the problem.
>And FDISK is doing nothing that would render the BIOS unable to
>"recognize" the drive, it's a completely different level.....
Go back and read her post, why don't you.
Todd Vargo
"Charles Riggs" <chrigg...@eircom.net> wrote:
> >The most interesting question now is what kind of OS are you trying to
> >use and what kind of FDISK did you use in the first place.
>
> The OS has nothing to do with it, since the hard disk isn't even being
> recognized. If she says FDISK, I think we can assume she means the
> FDISK supplied with MS-DOS.
Since the OP never specified the OS and version, I'm sure Mr. Quint's, "what
kind", refers to FAT16 or FAT32 (but only he can clarify to be sure).
> >And FDISK is doing nothing that would render the BIOS unable to
> >"recognize" the drive, it's a completely different level.....
>
> Go back and read her post, why don't you.
Apparently, you need to go back and reread!
The OP was to the point of messing with CHS in BIOS, but BIOS should still
recognize it. It is possible the low level formatting or firmware of the
drive got messed up, but FDISK certainly does not touch those items that
would prevent BIOS from seeing the drive, hence, "Or you have not been clear
about your problem at this point".
IMO, the only RUDE responses in this thread have been yours.
Charles Riggs
wrote:
>
>"Charles Riggs" <chrigg...@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> >The most interesting question now is what kind of OS are you trying to
>> >use and what kind of FDISK did you use in the first place.
>>
>> The OS has nothing to do with it, since the hard disk isn't even being
>> recognized. If she says FDISK, I think we can assume she means the
>> FDISK supplied with MS-DOS.
>
>Since the OP never specified the OS and version, I'm sure Mr. Quint's, "what
>kind", refers to FAT16 or FAT32 (but only he can clarify to be sure).
He probably could if he knew what he was talking about, but that's a
fairly wild assumption to make, based on what he has written so far.
>> >And FDISK is doing nothing that would render the BIOS unable to
>> >"recognize" the drive, it's a completely different level.....
>>
>> Go back and read her post, why don't you.
>
>Apparently, you need to go back and reread!
Here is what she said:
>I am having a problem with a Fujitsu hard drive, model MPF3153AH 15.27GB,
>the bios will not recognize it. It worked when I purchased it but not after
>I fdisk'd it. I bought it off Ebay.
And here is how your little buddy responded:
"Well, if you were able to use FDISK, you must have been able to
access it, so you have been already past the point that the BIOS is an
issue or not. Or you have not been clear about your problem at this
point."
Obviously, either he hadn't read the post he was responding to, or he
didn't understand it. In addition, his last crack was rude, as was his
earlier "The OS has nothing to do with it", which he later
contradicted by asking what OS she was trying to use. What a numb
nuts.
>The OP was to the point of messing with CHS in BIOS, but BIOS should still
>recognize it. It is possible the low level formatting or firmware of the
>drive got messed up, but FDISK certainly does not touch those items that
>would prevent BIOS from seeing the drive,
You may be right about that. Why, though, was the drive originally
recognised, and then not recognised after FDISK was run?
> hence, "Or you have not been clear
>about your problem at this point".
As an aside, while I realise this is a computer-oriented newsgroup,
bound to attract a few nerds like yourself in addition to many normal
people like me, our common language is English -- the finest language
man has yet devised -- and non-standard abbreviations such as OP and
CHS are not helpful to the communications process. With OP, I'm
guessing you're using what you think is a cute way of writing "other
person", which is a ridiculous way of referring to someone. Simply use
their name. Anyway, there'd be no harm, I think, in your spelling out
those abbreviations which may not as clear to everyone else as they
are to you.
>IMO, the only RUDE responses in this thread have been yours.
Not at all. I'm one of the nicest fellows you could know, once you get
to know me. By the way, anyone posting with a hotmail address is
suspect already, and Mister (as you call him) Quint's recent post is
only another data point to verify that rule.
Todd Vargo
"Charles Riggs" <chrigg...@eircom.net> wrote:
> "Todd Vargo" <todd...@nccw.net> wrote:
> >IMO, the only RUDE responses in this thread have been yours.
>
> Not at all. I'm one of the nicest fellows you could know, once you get
> to know me.
Given this and your other arrogant reactions targeting me with nonsense
flame bait, this just goes to prove that your also a LIAR!
I'm not a bit surprised. :-(
deerfern
I bought it off Ebay with no guarantee, so I took my chances. I've contacted
the seller and I think they will take it back if I pay for shipping. We
will see.
About my computer,
I have a Pentium 200 MHZ computer which I bought used, and works fine with
other hard drives. I've tried installing both Sandra and Fresh Diagnose to
figure out what type of motherboard but I'm still having trouble defining it
and it doesn't say what it is on the board itself. Seems to be a Digital of
some sort, I think. I think it was a network system.
I tried changing the jumper settings on the drive to master and cable
select.
I tried auto detect with LBA to auto and it does not detect any drive.
I can boot to a floppy but it still can't see the drive. I've even tried
Hard Disk Tools by SA Development.
I manually entered the cylinders, heads and sectors, which made the BIOS
change to show a 8.4 GB disk, but upon boot, says Hard Drive 0 Error.
Fujitsu lists this model under it's discontinued products; therefore any
warranty it was under is no longer valid. They list a $40.00 product which
will enable the BIOS to read drives over the 8.4 limit, but I don't want to
pay $40.00 for something that isn't working anyway.
The drive can be heard and felt spinning.
There is no data that I need off this drive.
I changed to a different computer completely, but it's still a 200 mhz, and
I'm still getting the same problems, plus this one says check sum error,
which I have no idea what to do about.
This is an excerpt from Fujitsu's site:
Fujitsu has received a number of claims regarding these drives, which we
believe are due to a problem with a chip
manufactured by a sub-supplier. The chip in question was packaged using a
plastic compound containing inorganic,
phosphorus flame retardant. Fujitsu is working with OEMs, distributors, and
end-users to whom we sold product directly to provide warranty protection
for these desktop hard disk drives. We have replaced drives that have
failed. Fujitsu exited the desktop hard disk drive market more than a year
ago to focus on mobile and enterprise hard disk drives. The mobile and
enterprise products use different components and are not affected by this
issue.
Fujitsu lists this model under it's discontinued products; therefore any
warranty it was under is no longer valid. They list a $40.00 product which
will enable the BIOS to read drives over the 8.4 limit.
I guess I should go on to my next dumb puchase of a Seagate 60 GB OEM which
is also not warranteed by the seller or Seagate, and clicks about 8 times
and stops. No spin sound, either. No data needed off the drive. Husband
wants to dump it but I figure if it's not warranteed we should probably try
to open it and fix it, but again, I've no idea what to do.
Any ideas an any of the above is most welcome, this newsgroup seems to be
the most useful/intelligent group I've found !
Thanks Carol
"Robert Baer" <rober...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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deerfern
if I pay for shipping, and doesn't want to give me a refund, either. I am
hoping someone can tell me if this is a good response to email to them or
not, and offer any better wording if possible?
Quote:
Dear Neo,
I do understand Ebay has a certain level of risk. However, I was hoping,
that due to your wording on the auction stating that the drive does show up
in BIOS, and the only problem was fdisk'g, I thought perhaps you would be
kind and offer at least a partial refund, since it won't show up in BIOS at
all now. This would be, I would hope, in the interest of keeping customers
happy, especially since the auction did not state "no refunds" or that it
was "as is".
I am not angry, just very disappointed. We both have excellent feedback and
I certainly don't want to jeopardize my feedback over this, so I thought you
would consider at least a partial refund so we could both go away happy. To
tell you the truth, I am surprised to hear you don't want to refund, since
you do have such good feedback. I try to purchase my items only good
sellers, and I always check their feedback prior to bidding, just to avoid
this sort of thing.
I would really appreciate anything you can do for me, and if you could
refund a part of the item cost, I would be happy to leave you a glowing
positive, and I hope you can do the same for me.
Thanks in advance,
Carol
End Quote
"deerfern" <computergee...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jenny100
> Well, surprise, surprise, the seller now doesn't want the drive back, even
> if I pay for shipping, and doesn't want to give me a refund, either. I am
> hoping someone can tell me if this is a good response to email to them or
> not, and offer any better wording if possible?
>
> Quote:
I think you should just swallow your loss. He said he didn't guarantee
the drive and he did send it to you. Also, it was working when you
received it.
Anyway, in the future don't buy any drives on ebay unless they
are guaranteed. And avoid this model.
You wrote earlier :
> I have decided this disk is trashed, I was able to start to
> fdisk it but then it errored. After that, the BIOS was unable
> to recognize it.
What kind of error?
Do you mean it errored while running fdisk?
deerfern
since.
"Jenny100" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Todd Vargo
> Yes, it errored when I ran the fdisk. I have been trying to fix it ever
> since.
If I understand you correctly, the seller knew in advance that this drive
was junk, and was only too happy to unload it to some unsuspecting bidder.
IMO, the fact that the drive worked at all was a mere fluke. However, if the
auction openly stated there was problems with FDISKing it, the burden to
inquire about what exactly that means is the bidders responsibility prior to
bidding on the item.
Don't even bother to threaten with the seller with negative feedback. The
seller knew it was junk and sold it anyway, so go ahead and post your
feedback the way you see fit.
BTW, did the Scrapgate drive come from the same seller?
deerfern
least, said upright the auction was "as is" and you take your chances. I
did, and it didn't work. Oh, well, that's what I bought, so I just thought I
would try to fix it.
FYI, the links are:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1773485777
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2063870502
And yes, the burden was on me to ask about the fdisk problem. I just didn't,
it's my fault and I know it. I just thought I would give it a shot to try to
get part of the money back. Worth a shot, at least, I thought.
Any ideas on the Seagate clicking is appreciated !
Carol
"Todd Vargo" <todd...@nccw.net> wrote in message
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arargh...@not.at.enteract.com
<computergee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>To answer/clarify a few more things about this drive:
<snip>
>I guess I should go on to my next dumb puchase of a Seagate 60 GB OEM which
>is also not warranteed by the seller or Seagate, and clicks about 8 times
>and stops. No spin sound, either. No data needed off the drive. Husband
>wants to dump it but I figure if it's not warranteed we should probably try
>to open it and fix it, but again, I've no idea what to do.
If you open it in other than the appropriate clean room (the kind with
the special air filters), you might as well throw it away. In any
case, I doubt you could fix it. I know I couldn't, and I used to fix
hard drives.
>
>Any ideas an any of the above is most welcome, this newsgroup seems to be
>the most useful/intelligent group I've found !
--
Arargh (at arargh dot com) http://www.arargh.com
To reply by email, change the domain name, and remove the garbage.
(Enteract can keep the spam, they are gone anyway)
Todd Vargo
"deerfern" <computergee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I just thought I would give it a shot to try to
> get part of the money back. Worth a shot, at least, I thought.
>
> Any ideas on the Seagate clicking is appreciated !
Could be anything. Arm could be sticking, or the control circuit is sending
it in the wrong direction, or it was dropped and something got bent (the
more likely scenario), etc.
It's a hard bite to swallow considering the money could have gone toward a
decent sized brand new HD under warranty. IMO, even though the wording says
the buyer takes all risk, I think there is still a level of fraud there
because in each case, the seller knew the item was worthless junk but
offered it with the false hopes of it working. Sorry you had to learn the
hard way, but as the saying goes, "Let the buyer beware!"
Joe Fischer
: No, the Seagate didn't come from the same seller. The Seagate seller, at
: least, said upright the auction was "as is" and you take your chances. I
: did, and it didn't work. Oh, well, that's what I bought, so I just thought I
: would try to fix it.
:[snip]
: Any ideas on the Seagate clicking is appreciated !
I had a 4 month old Seagate fail to be recognized
and it clanked from one stop to the other.
I got a RMA, but then changed my mind, I had too
much sensitive data on it to send it in, because returns
apparently don't go to the mfg, they go to a third party
"rebuilder" or whatever.
I put it in the freezer a while, and then it would
work a couple of minutes, and I copied and erased and
overwrote some of the data that way.
Then when I got the Firewire enclosures, I tried
it, and it didn't clang at all, and it seems to work OK.
But for how long? I suspect the read and write
amplifiers on motherboards may not have the power to
handle any and all drives, and the Firewire enclosure
with it's own power supply for the drive may be better.
Actually, to test a drive, more than one computer
should be used, and I find many drives that will just
not work as slaves.
With two machines, and only using the primary
master controller, plus a couple of different fdisk
programs, finding out if a drive is bad is easier.
Auto detect should handle any drive if it is OK,
but if a drive has had a strange file system on it,
it can appear bad even if it is good.
The DOS fdisk may not be enough in some cases.
I am beginning to look for motherboards with
Firewire built in, I have read some articles about
booting with Firewire.
Joe Fischer
--
3
tls...@concentric.net
<computergee...@hotmail.com> took a very strange color crayon
and scribbled:
>No, the Seagate didn't come from the same seller. The Seagate seller, at
>least, said upright the auction was "as is" and you take your chances. I
>did, and it didn't work. Oh, well, that's what I bought, so I just thought I
>would try to fix it.
A suggestion, go to Pricewatch next time to buy cheap hardware. It's
really risky buying on EBay, although I've done it from time to time
as well. I think I may have gotten burnt on a sound card, but it
remains to be seen as I have plans to try it on a Win3.x system when I
get around to building it...
Anyway, the link is http://www.pricewatch.com/ you can get OEM stuff
this way, which is about the same as what you're doing on EBay, but at
least you're buying new stuff in most cases. Plus, I have noticed
prices can get crazy on EBay.
--
Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter - Civis Mundi
tls...@concentric.net / http://www.concentric.net/~tlshell
tls...@concentric.net
took a very strange color crayon and scribbled:
> I am beginning to look for motherboards with
>Firewire built in, I have read some articles about
>booting with Firewire.
I was over at a Fry's (electronics) store the other day and, curious
because of your praise of Firewire, checked the price of adding a
Firewire card to my computer. My god, those things are _expensive_!
The thing about having extra power supplies may not benefit me either,
because right now, my apartment wiring is straining with just what I
have. I think I need something to keep the power from dipping when I
turn on the TV...it's only a 13", so it's not like I am being
extravagant.
Charles Riggs
wrote:
>
>"Charles Riggs" <chrigg...@eircom.net> wrote:
>> "Todd Vargo" <todd...@nccw.net> wrote:
>
>> >IMO, the only RUDE responses in this thread have been yours.
>>
>> Not at all. I'm one of the nicest fellows you could know, once you get
>> to know me.
>
>Given this and your other arrogant reactions targeting me with nonsense
>flame bait, this just goes to prove that your also a LIAR!
I never lie.
The fact is, you are a prime example of how a little knowledge can be
a dangerous thing. I also suspect you have a pathetic little two-inch
pecker, so you attempt to make up for your unmanliness by a display of
bravado. Even if you weren't under-equipped, any Spic as stupid as you
should be posting to a home economics newsgroup, rather than a
technical one. Sorry, am I getting close to home?
Anyway, I'm gonna boogie out of here: there is nothing any of you can
teach me about DOS that I didn't learn years ago, Varga the Jerk-off
dominates the group, since so few of you know anything, and he does
know just enough to get himself into trouble, plus few of you can even
use the language properly, making communication with the lot of you
difficult.
Todd Vargo
"Charles Riggs" <chrigg...@eircom.net> wrote:
> any Spic as stupid as you
If anyone was offended by the racial overtones of this poster, I suggest you
contact ab...@eircom.net to complain about his obvious misconduct.
Todd Vargo
<tls...@concentric.net> wrote:
> The thing about having extra power supplies may not benefit me either,
> because right now, my apartment wiring is straining with just what I
> have. I think I need something to keep the power from dipping when I
> turn on the TV...it's only a 13", so it's not like I am being
> extravagant.
That's what UPS' (Uninterruptible Power Supply) are for. Note, if that
little 13" TV (about 65 to 85 watts) is straining the wiring of an
apartment, I would get the heck out of that fire trap ASAP. Definitely make
sure your smoke detector(s) have fresh batteries installed.
Joe Fischer
: On 31 Dec 2002 01:57:50 -0500, Joe Fischer <grav...@shell1.iglou.com>
: took a very strange color crayon and scribbled:
:
:> I am beginning to look for motherboards with
:>Firewire built in, I have read some articles about
:>booting with Firewire.
:
: I was over at a Fry's (electronics) store the other day and, curious
: because of your praise of Firewire, checked the price of adding a
: Firewire card to my computer. My god, those things are _expensive_!
TigerDirect has the PCI cards for about $35
I think, and I bought two PCI cards at a computer show
for about $20 apiece.
: The thing about having extra power supplies may not benefit me either,
: because right now, my apartment wiring is straining with just what I
: have. I think I need something to keep the power from dipping when I
: turn on the TV...it's only a 13", so it's not like I am being
: extravagant.
The smallest standard wire size is number 14,
which should carry 10 amps or 1200 watts if it is
in good shape. It is toasters and irons that
overloads the wiring, usually TVs and computers
do not. I better put the clip-on ammeter on
some of my bigger setups though, I have a lot
of computer junk running. :-)
Don't read too much into my opinion of
the advantage of a separate power supply for
each drive, most people run brand name clones
and only have one hard drive.
Joe Fischer
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deerfern
FYI the seller refunded 1/2 the cost. I can't even get the computer now to
boot, has a check sum error, so I guess I'll be playing for a while.
Carol
"Ralf A. Quint" <ralf_...@hottmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:55:45 GMT, "deerfern"
> <computergee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >To answer/clarify a few more things about this drive:
> >
> >I bought it off Ebay with no guarantee, so I took my chances. I've
contacted
> >the seller and I think they will take it back if I pay for shipping. We
> >will see.
> >
> Tough nuts, probably a lesson learned....
>
> >About my computer,
> >I have a Pentium 200 MHZ computer which I bought used, and works fine
with
> >other hard drives. I've tried installing both Sandra and Fresh Diagnose
to
> Can you be a bit more specific about "other hard drives", size for
> example. Given by the basic specs of the CPU, i would guess that you
> board is an at least 4-5 years old Socket 7 type board, which could
> mean that your BIOS (without a possible update) might simply not be
> able to recognized (at least in full size)
>
> >figure out what type of motherboard but I'm still having trouble defining
it
> >and it doesn't say what it is on the board itself. Seems to be a Digital
of
> >some sort, I think. I think it was a network system.
>
> Check out the web site www.wimsbios.com (from a nice guy in Belgium),
> download and execute the program BIOS agent (very obvious link in the
> upper left corner). With the ID string that the program in most cases
> returns, and the other informations provided on Wim's website, you
> should be able to find out what exactly your motherboard is, unless it
> is a very cheap, faked, Taiwan knockoff....
>
> >I tried changing the jumper settings on the drive to master and cable
> >select.
> Cable select is on such old systems not very common, only Compaq and
> very few other "brand name" manufacturers were using it...
>
> >I tried auto detect with LBA to auto and it does not detect any drive.
> >I can boot to a floppy but it still can't see the drive. I've even tried
> >Hard Disk Tools by SA Development.
> don't know those....
>
> >I manually entered the cylinders, heads and sectors, which made the BIOS
> >change to show a 8.4 GB disk, but upon boot, says Hard Drive 0 Error.
> That indicates that the BIOS has a problem handling drives larger than
> 8.4GB, as in your original message you stated that it's a 15GB
> drive...
>
> >Fujitsu lists this model under it's discontinued products; therefore any
> >warranty it was under is no longer valid. They list a $40.00 product
which
> >will enable the BIOS to read drives over the 8.4 limit, but I don't want
to
> >pay $40.00 for something that isn't working anyway.
> that is probably more than you paid for the drive, isn't it? The first
> choice however should be a BIOS upgrade, that is usually available for
> free...
>
> >The drive can be heard and felt spinning.
> If it's not making noise, that would indicate that the mechanic is
> most likely ok, however the electronic is probably shot....
>
> >There is no data that I need off this drive.
> >I changed to a different computer completely, but it's still a 200 mhz,
and
> >I'm still getting the same problems, plus this one says check sum error,
> >which I have no idea what to do about.
> >
> It simply means that it can't read anything properly of the drive. It
> could be simply due to the fact that the drive geometry is not correct
> and the OS tries to access a non existing sector or that the sector
> /is/ not properly readable...
>
> >This is an excerpt from Fujitsu's site:
> <snip>
>
> Well, to be honest, in my experience, Fujitsu ranks in the hit list of
> reliable IDE/ATA drives rather in the bottom part, worse are only
> Samsung and definitely JTS (some very cheap "Made in India", luckily
> not long enough on the market here in California to cause any major
> damage). Seagate and Quantum are midrange, followed Western Digital,
> with Maxtor and IBM on top. However, /every/ manufacturer has once in
> a while a bad model/series or simply a bad batch. YMMV...
>
> >
> >I guess I should go on to my next dumb puchase of a Seagate 60 GB OEM
which
> >is also not warranteed by the seller or Seagate, and clicks about 8 times
> >and stops. No spin sound, either. No data needed off the drive. Husband
> >wants to dump it but I figure if it's not warranteed we should probably
try
> >to open it and fix it, but again, I've no idea what to do.
>
> Opening won't help, you won't be able to close the vacuum seal
> properly again. I do things like this with drives where the heads
> where sticking or the spindle got stuck, to be able to get them up and
> running once (and once only) to get valuable data off.
> To fix the drive it's definitely not appropriate...
>
> Ralf
>
deerfern
The seller refunded 1/2 the cost. My bad, their bad, but at least there was
a (semi) happy ending.
Now on to try to fix the dang thing (but I doubt it)
"deerfern" <computergee...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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tls...@concentric.net
took a very strange color crayon and scribbled:
> Don't read too much into my opinion of
>the advantage of a separate power supply for
>each drive, most people run brand name clones
>and only have one hard drive.
Ah, well, mine is homebuilt. I think a UPS and a bigger power supply
is hopefully in the works, assuming my unemployed status is changed
soon. I guess Fry's isn't my best choice for hardware, I usually use
Pricewatch and similar sites to get deals and use local stores for
emergencies and occasionally for supplies. I have a tower case that I
picked out specifically for having lots of bays; 4 of the 5.25" and 2
of the 3.5, or whatever the standard 5 and 3 measurement is. I was
tired of my last computer which didn't have enough space for all the
peripherals I wanted. (-:
deerfern
give them positive feedback?
"deerfern" <computergee...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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tls...@concentric.net
<computergeekintr...@hotmail.com> took a very strange
color crayon and scribbled:
>So, now the seller says they want feedback...what do you think, should I
>give them positive feedback?
No, they sold you bad merchandise. You can molify your statement
slightly by adding that they did refund 50%, but still...people ought
to know they were either negligent or careless in what they sold.
Todd Vargo
<tls...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 05:52:09 GMT, "deerfern"
> <computergeekintr...@hotmail.com> took a very strange
> color crayon and scribbled:
>
> >So, now the seller says they want feedback...what do you think, should I
> >give them positive feedback?
> No, they sold you bad merchandise. You can molify your statement
> slightly by adding that they did refund 50%, but still...people ought
> to know they were either negligent or careless in what they sold.
Ditto. However, are you sure it was the seller who sent the request. I'm
guessing an Ebay auto responder might send such a request. So be careful to
not insult the seller prior to getting that 50% refund. But afterwards...