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John Small

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Apr 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/16/00
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I've heard that Kubrick's film Clockwork Orange oddly has omitted the reference to the title.
Does anyone know the significance of the title?

John


damnfine

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<<<I've heard that Kubrick's film Clockwork Orange oddly has
omitted the reference to the title. Does anyone know the
significance of the title?>>>

Firstly, the author of the book, Anthony Burgess, claims that
there was a cockney slang term "As queer as a clockwork orange."
which suited the story's general weirdness.

Second, and more importantly, it is a reference to the story's
central theme of CONTROL. Wherein the main character, Alex, is
the "orange", something natural and organic, and the oppressive
control put on him by the govornment is the "clockwork"... which
is completely absurd and out of place when added to an "orange".

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Count Orlock

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Apr 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/17/00
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All I remember is a phrase that went "as queer as a clockwork orange." Whether that has any
bearing on the film, I don't know. You may want to read Anthony Burgess's novel.
Count Orlock

John Small wrote:

> I've heard that Kubrick's film Clockwork Orange oddly has omitted the reference to the title.
> Does anyone know the significance of the title?
>

> John


Sean Patrick

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Apr 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/17/00
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:17:26 -0400, John Small <jsm...@golden.net>
wrote:

>I've heard that Kubrick's film Clockwork Orange oddly has omitted the reference to the title.
>Does anyone know the significance of the title?
>
>John
>

I don't know if this is correct or not but I always thought it refered
to the bizarre state of McDowell after he is 'cured'. He is a
combination of the natural and the mechanical.

Sean Patrick [que...@freewwweb.com]

KidHoney

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Apr 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/17/00
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>>I've heard that Kubrick's film Clockwork Orange oddly has omitted the
reference to the title. Does anyone know the significance of the title?<<

From the April 200 issue of Uncut, which has a 16 page feature on the
re-release in the UK of "A Clockwork Orange":

"Burgess took the book's title from the old cockney phrase "queer as a
clockwork orange" because it suggests the application of harsh mechanical laws
to a soft organic object cabaple of great colour and sweetness. But he had
also lived in Malaya, where "orang" is the term for a human being."

If you can get your hands on this magazine (Malcom McDowell as Alex is on the
cover) it's a good long read. HTH

Mikko Pihkoluoma

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Apr 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/17/00
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KidHoney wrote...

>
>"Burgess took the book's title from the old cockney phrase "queer as a
>clockwork orange" because it suggests the application of harsh mechanical
laws
>to a soft organic object cabaple of great colour and sweetness. But he had
>also lived in Malaya, where "orang" is the term for a human being."
>


This is right, but I just wanted to put this here....

from the novel 'A Clockwork Orange':

...
Yes yes yes, there it was. Youth must go, ah yes. But youth is only being in
a way like it might be an animal. No, it is not just being an animal so much
as being like one of these malenky toys you viddy being sold in the streets,
like little chellovecks made out of tin and with a spring inside and then a
winding handle on the outside and you wind it up grrr grrr grrr and off it
itties, like walking, O my brothers. But it itties in a straight line and
bangs straight into things bang bang and it cannot help what it is doing.
Being young is like being like one of these malenky machines.
...

Bill Carr

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Shmorange.


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> All this talk about oranges prompted me to write a poem but I buggered if
I
> can rhyme something with orange any help please? *-)
>
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> > I've heard that Kubrick's film Clockwork Orange oddly has omitted the
> reference to the title.
> > Does anyone know the significance of the title?
> >

> > John
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Dave Leckie

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JMP wrote:
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> All this talk about oranges prompted me to write a poem but I buggered if I
> can rhyme something with orange any help please? *-)

Door hinge
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Close enough?

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> > John
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JMP

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Apr 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/18/00
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All this talk about oranges prompted me to write a poem but I buggered if I
can rhyme something with orange any help please? *-)

JMP

Rumi_y_Nadia

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Apr 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/22/00
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John Small <jsm...@golden.net> escribió en el mensaje de noticias

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> I've heard that Kubrick's film Clockwork Orange oddly has omitted the
reference to the title.
> Does anyone know the significance of the title?
>
> John


I think that it was the name of the book that the man whom the boys attacked
was writing (the man who later takes "care" of Alex). He was writing a kind
of philosopohic essay, but I don't quite remember the point in that title,
though in the book it is explained... well, I think I must read that book
again ^_^ .

Nadia.

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