Year 2000 Computer Problem
Alleycat
A person could make a movie out of this (comical or otherwise).
Imagine, the whole world going to withdraw cash and various financial
institutions saying "I'm sorry. Our computers are fouled up. You'll
have to wait a couple of months or more unless you can P-R-O-V-E you
had that kind of money."
Think of all the things you would rather not do on the first day of
the year 2000 such as:
flying a plane,
fighting a war (could start one by accident),
riding a train,
undergoing an operation, etc.
Any other ideas? This thread could be quite informative and
interesting. It may not be law-enforcement related, but it might give
us some amusing ideas to think about that could spare unnecessary
distress. It might even give some people ideas about where they might
want to invest. -- Alleycat
Lars Ormberg
Alleycat <kibble...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>A person could make a movie out of this (comical or otherwise).
>Imagine, the whole world going to withdraw cash and various financial
>institutions saying "I'm sorry. Our computers are fouled up. You'll
>have to wait a couple of months or more unless you can P-R-O-V-E you
>had that kind of money."
I'm planning on taking out all my cash sometime just after Boxing Day (yeah,
it won't be busy on the 31st or anything...). I'm not losing money on a
computer error. Yes its possible that the bank, like in Monopoly, will rule
in my favour. But due to the nature of computing it is highly unlikely, and
the risk incurred would not be worth the benefit gained.
>Any other ideas? This thread could be quite informative and
>interesting. It may not be law-enforcement related, but it might give
>us some amusing ideas to think about that could spare unnecessary
>distress. It might even give some people ideas about where they might
>want to invest.
In late 1999, invest in your mattress. On January 4th or 5th, try to put
money back into your account. If the bank says your account is invalid
since you won't be born for 70 more years, pat yourself on the back. If the
bank says "sure, your account is up and running perfectly and we even know
your old transaction records" then be content that your prepared for the
worst and didn't get it.
-- Alleycat
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Chris
who is resonsible ?
Hmm Mr Gates ? Prehaps it is true, maybe he is the Anti-Christ!!!
Anyway oon a serious note, an Austrailian boy aged 14, has written a dos
batch file that will prevent the year 2000 bug from damaging PC's. This
should be ideal for small companies and the home user. Unfortuetly I
don't know whether it is available for download, or on sale commercaly
yet.
Lars Ormberg
Chris wrote:
> Anyway oon a serious note, an Austrailian boy aged 14, has written a dos
> batch file that will prevent the year 2000 bug from damaging PC's. This
> should be ideal for small companies and the home user. Unfortuetly I
> don't know whether it is available for download, or on sale commercaly
> yet.
That's only for your DOS operating system though. Your Windows will
still say 98. Your hardware is still coded to 2-digits. All that batch
file will do is insure that DOS handles 4 digits. You still have to
deal with your system, other OSes, and your applications.
--
Lars Ormberg
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Hackman
Ms Stake wrote:
>
> x-no-archive: yes
> Alleycat wrote in message
> <34dffa8c...@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net>...
>
> There are what? 300, 400, 1000 artificial satellites in earth orbit that
> have hardware with this problem. They can't just squirt a patch up to fix
> it either.
>
they can't ? Why not. IT's done all the time....
> The problem is much bigger than people let on.
>
the next great disaster movie....
> I am personally cashing out every single bank, credit card, stock, bond.
> EVERYTHING account in December of 1999.
>
> This may cause a world wide depression.
>
> >A person could make a movie out of this (comical or otherwise).
> >Imagine, the whole world going to withdraw cash and various financial
> >institutions saying "I'm sorry. Our computers are fouled up. You'll
> >have to wait a couple of months or more unless you can P-R-O-V-E you
> >had that kind of money."
> >
> >Think of all the things you would rather not do on the first day of
> >the year 2000 such as:
> >
> >flying a plane,
> >fighting a war (could start one by accident),
> >riding a train,
> >undergoing an operation, etc.
> >
> >Any other ideas? This thread could be quite informative and
> >interesting. It may not be law-enforcement related, but it might give
> >us some amusing ideas to think about that could spare unnecessary
> >distress. It might even give some people ideas about where they might
> >want to invest. -- Alleycat
Lars Ormberg
On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:44:48 -0800, Ms Stake <M...@uncommon.int> wrote:
>Don't many if not most of the satellites have hardware operating systems?
A more important fact is that all of the satellites have hardware. The
hardware and the software both use dates and times in standard operations.
That's why software patches are only part of the answer. "2000 Compliant"
computers need different hardware than their non-2000 companions. You can
get a rather expensive chip to plug into your machine and make it 2000
Compliant. You can also get a patch to change your OS and programs to be
2000 Compliant. Unless you do both and do both properly (read:completely
and expensively) your system will still behave erratically.
>I was wondering how DO indeed have hardware systems that cannot be fixed by
>squirting up a patch. I really don't know.
You can squirt as many patches as you want, the hardware still needs to be
modified to insure that the software patch does something.
>Let's just hope all the NEW satellites that are being installed in orbit
>have it fixed.
Hard to be sure. After all, in 1997 most computers being sold were *NOT*
"2000 Compliant".
--
Lars Ormberg
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Alan J. Munn
In article <34dffa8c...@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net>,
kibble...@telusplanet.net wrote:
"> " A person could make a movie out of this (comical or otherwise).
"> " Imagine, the whole world going to withdraw cash and various financial
"> " institutions saying "I'm sorry. Our computers are fouled up. You'll
"> " have to wait a couple of months or more unless you can P-R-O-V-E you
"> " had that kind of money."
"> "
"> " Think of all the things you would rather not do on the first day of
"> " the year 2000 such as:
"> "
"> " flying a plane,
"> " fighting a war (could start one by accident),
"> " riding a train,
"> " undergoing an operation, etc.
"> "
"> " Any other ideas? This thread could be quite informative and
"> " interesting. It may not be law-enforcement related
I think it will be law-enforcement related because I think that law
enforcement agencies will be leaders in year 2000 computer problems.
Prisoners who should be released will have their releases delayed,
prisoners who should be confined will be released too early, and all sorts
of other year 2000 computer problems probably will occur.
Alan J. Munn
John Corman
On 10 Feb 1998 07:52:08 GMT, la...@Commodore.ualberta.ca (Lars
Ormberg) wrote:
>I'm planning on taking out all my cash sometime just after Boxing Day (yeah,
>it won't be busy on the 31st or anything...). I'm not losing money on a
>computer error. Yes its possible that the bank, like in Monopoly, will rule
>in my favour. But due to the nature of computing it is highly unlikely, and
>the risk incurred would not be worth the benefit gained.
Wouldn't it be easier to put your account in an over draft position
and then if there is any problem it could be in your favour.
John Corman ******** jco...@island.net
Hackman
Lars Ormberg wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:44:48 -0800, Ms Stake <M...@uncommon.int> wrote:
>
> >Don't many if not most of the satellites have hardware operating systems?
>
> A more important fact is that all of the satellites have hardware. The
> hardware and the software both use dates and times in standard operations.
> That's why software patches are only part of the answer. "2000 Compliant"
> computers need different hardware than their non-2000 companions. You can
> get a rather expensive chip to plug into your machine and make it 2000
> Compliant.
ROM suddenly became "expensive" ? No, the PORGRAMMING on it can be.
(and this can be over come in software)
> You can also get a patch to change your OS and programs to be
> 2000 Compliant. Unless you do both and do both properly (read:completely
> and expensively) your system will still behave erratically.
>
bullshit....there is nothing in the "hardware" that can't be over come
via software in these systems.
Stick with something you know about.
Hackman
Ms Stake wrote:
>
> x-no-archive: yes
> >Ms Stake wrote:
> >>
> >> x-no-archive: yes
> >> Alleycat wrote in message
> >> <34dffa8c...@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net>...
> >>
> >> There are what? 300, 400, 1000 artificial satellites in earth orbit that
> >> have hardware with this problem. They can't just squirt a patch up to
> fix
> >> it either.
> >>
> >
> >they can't ? Why not. IT's done all the time....
>
>
hardware operates by software....
> I was wondering how DO indeed have hardware systems that cannot be fixed by
> squirting up a patch. I really don't know.
>
> It is a good question, no?
>
> Let's just hope all the NEW satellites that are being installed in orbit
> have it fixed.
>
I have no idea where you get the idea you can't send a patch to these
guys...it's done all the time, hell, I remimber doing binary patches on
mission systems fifteen years ago....
as I said...it's done all the time...
> >
> >
> >
> >> The problem is much bigger than people let on.
> >>
> >
> >
> >the next great disaster movie....
> >
> >
> >> I am personally cashing out every single bank, credit card, stock, bond.
> >> EVERYTHING account in December of 1999.
> >>
> >> This may cause a world wide depression.
> >>
> >
> >
> >> >A person could make a movie out of this (comical or otherwise).
> >> >Imagine, the whole world going to withdraw cash and various financial
> >> >institutions saying "I'm sorry. Our computers are fouled up. You'll
> >> >have to wait a couple of months or more unless you can P-R-O-V-E you
> >> >had that kind of money."
> >> >
> >> >Think of all the things you would rather not do on the first day of
> >> >the year 2000 such as:
> >> >
> >> >flying a plane,
> >> >fighting a war (could start one by accident),
> >> >riding a train,
> >> >undergoing an operation, etc.
> >> >
> >> >Any other ideas? This thread could be quite informative and
> >> >interesting. It may not be law-enforcement related, but it might give
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In article <34E052...@netvigator.com>, mrr...@netvigator.com wrote:
>who is resonsible ?
>
>Hmm Mr Gates ? Prehaps it is true, maybe he is the Anti-Christ!!!
>
>batch file that will prevent the year 2000 bug from damaging PC's. This
>should be ideal for small companies and the home user. Unfortuetly I
>don't know whether it is available for download, or on sale commercaly
>yet.
has lots of links and info.
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Alleycat
Chris <mrr...@netvigator.com> wrote:
who is resonsible ?
Hmm Mr Gates ? Prehaps it is true, maybe he is the Anti-Christ!!!
Anyway oon a serious note, an Austrailian boy aged 14, has written a
dos batch file that will prevent the year 2000 bug from damaging PC's.
This should be ideal for small companies and the home user.
Unfortuetly I don't know whether it is available for download, or on
sale commercaly yet.
_________________________
They say it can't be done, so if the Australian boy's program does
work it will surely hit world news and be no more downloadable than a
free copy of Windows95. Besides, there are thousands of computer
programmers world wide, who are looking forward to the hefty business
they'll generate on this day. They would likely do everything
possible to suppress him. Failing that, Bill Gates would've bought
him out immediately. I wouldn't be surprised if someone DOES have the
answer now, but they know they'll collect so much more for it in the
year 2000 when people are desperate. Might be wise to invest in
computer support people around that time. -- Alleycat
Alleycat
"Ms Stake" <M...@uncommon.int> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
Alleycat wrote in message
<34dffa8c...@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net>...
There are what? 300, 400, 1000 artificial satellites in earth orbit
that have hardware with this problem. They can't just squirt a
patch up to fix it either.
______________________
So the sky really will fall in the year 2000? On the other hand,
there might be an extremely great demand for astronauts with plenty of
technical and programming experience. -- Alleycat
______________________
The problem is much bigger than people let on. I am personally
cashing out every single bank, credit card, stock, bond. EVERYTHING
account in December of 1999. This may cause a world wide depression.
____________________
Whew! Must be nice to have that much money! -- Alleycat
Hackman
Alleycat wrote:
>
> "Ms Stake" <M...@uncommon.int> wrote:
>
> x-no-archive: yes
> Alleycat wrote in message
> <34dffa8c...@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net>...
>
> There are what? 300, 400, 1000 artificial satellites in earth orbit
> that have hardware with this problem. They can't just squirt a
> patch up to fix it either.
> ______________________
>
and just why not ?
> So the sky really will fall in the year 2000? On the other hand,
> there might be an extremely great demand for astronauts with plenty of
> technical and programming experience. -- Alleycat
> ______________________
>
no...the sky will not fall...
> The problem is much bigger than people let on. I am personally
> cashing out every single bank, credit card, stock, bond. EVERYTHING
> account in December of 1999. This may cause a world wide depression.
>
> ____________________
>
> Whew! Must be nice to have that much money! -- Alleycat
or to be that paranoid!
Lee Fesperman
Alleycat wrote:
> Anyway oon a serious note, an Austrailian boy aged 14, has written a
> dos batch file that will prevent the year 2000 bug from damaging PC's.
> This should be ideal for small companies and the home user.
> Unfortuetly I don't know whether it is available for download, or on
> sale commercaly yet.
I'm afraid this slips into a 'Urban Legend' type story. The kid, who was actually from
New Zealand, got some splashy headlines a while back, but nothing substantive has come
of it. It's just typical media blather...
+ Adults are clueless about hi-tech, only kids can program VCR's and deal with this
kinda stuff.
+ Given that, only a kid could come up with a 'solution' to the Y2K problem (the adults
are clueless).
"Don't worry, those teenaged super-hackers will take a break, fix the millennium bug in
a coupla hours and then go back to hacking into the Pentagon"
Yeah, right!
--
Lee Fesperman, FFE Software, Inc. (http://www.firstsql.com/year2000/)
Alan J. spamMunn
snip
"> " >
"> " > There are what? 300, 400, 1000 artificial satellites in earth orbit
"> " > that have hardware with this problem. They can't just squirt a
"> " > patch up to fix it either.
"> " > ______________________
"> " >
"> "
"> " and just why not ?
"> "
"> "
"> "
"> " > So the sky really will fall in the year 2000? On the other hand,
"> " > there might be an extremely great demand for astronauts with plenty of
"> " > technical and programming experience. -- Alleycat
"> " > ______________________
"> " >
"> "
"> " no...the sky will not fall...
"> "
"> "
"> "
"> " > The problem is much bigger than people let on.
snip
.......................
Instead of reprogramming computers to accomodate the year 2000 in the
Gregorian calendar, maybe it would be cheaper to reprogram computers for a
new calendar. :-)
1 January 2000 will be 11 Nivose 208 in the French revolutionary calendar
(which was intended to be logical, easy, and suitable for universal use),
for example. As soon as a computer spots the month Nivose, the computer
will make all necessary adjustments. Many other calendars are available.
:-)
Alan J. Munn
Scott Kane - MSA
>Anyway oon a serious note, an Austrailian boy aged 14, has written a
>dos batch file that will prevent the year 2000 bug from damaging PC's.
>This should be ideal for small companies and the home user.
>Unfortuetly I don't know whether it is available for download, or on
>sale commercaly yet.
Not that tired old story again - he was from Yugoslavia the last time I saw
this rubbish make the rounds... DOS batch file :-\
Scott
Harold Lines
Lee Fesperman wrote in message <34E4DC...@ix.netcom.com>...
>I'm afraid this slips into a 'Urban Legend' type story. The kid, who was
actually from
>New Zealand, got some splashy headlines a while back, but nothing
substantive has come
>of it. It's just typical media blather...
>
>+ Adults are clueless about hi-tech, only kids can program VCR's and deal
with this
>kinda stuff.
>
>+ Given that, only a kid could come up with a 'solution' to the Y2K problem
(the adults
>are clueless).
>
>"Don't worry, those teenaged super-hackers will take a break, fix the
millennium bug in
>a coupla hours and then go back to hacking into the Pentagon"
Got a real technical problem? Don't know who to call for help? Send in...
Wesley Crusher!!!
- Harold
Alleycat
"Ms Stake" <M...@uncommon.int> wrote:
>I think it will be law-enforcement related because I think that law
>enforcement agencies will be leaders in year 2000 computer problems.
>Prisoners who should be released will have their releases delayed,
>prisoners who should be confined will be released too early, and all sorts
>of other year 2000 computer problems probably will occur.
Or the "Speedy Trial" issue could make a good joke as well.
________________________
Imagine you get arrested in December but in February they think you
have been waiting 100 years for trial....:)
________________________
Pension tracking may disappear and that will be the end of pension
cheques. Those who died in the last 60 years may suddenly be
registered as being alive. I wonder if and how street and traffic
lights might be affected? And jail doors?
Wonder how it would affect the pumps that pump flouride, chlorine, and
other poisons into the water, -- and dams, and gas-control units, and
electrical power (heat, refrigeration, freezers, air-conditioning,
street lights at night, etc.). A movie like this could be the
greatest-selling thriller ever! -- Alleycat
________________________
john
In article <6c4m6f$h67$1...@news.goodnet.com>, "Harold Lines"
>
>Got a real technical problem? Don't know who to call for help? Send in...
>
>
>Wesley Crusher!!!
>
> - Harold
Goodo! Reading some of this tripe it is easy to recognise that most of
those posting have no idea where the problem actually lies and what is
needed to correct it.
Perhaps if those who are posting had only studied COBOL in highschool or
college instead of thumbsucking they might have some reasonable
understanding of the y2k problem.
Steve Ranta
In article <nojunkmailno-ya02408...@news.earthlink.net>,
nojunk...@earthlink.net (john) wrote:
. . .
> Perhaps if those who are posting had only studied COBOL in highschool or
> college instead of thumbsucking they might have some reasonable
> understanding of the y2k problem.
Problem? What problem? I just hope that people who use Macs won't have
to pay for the incompetence of IBM clones and their programmers.
- -
Steve Ranta
Alleycat
Lee Fesperman <firs...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Alleycat wrote:
> Anyway oon a serious note, an Austrailian boy aged 14, has written a
> dos batch file that will prevent the year 2000 bug from damaging PC's.
> This should be ideal for small companies and the home user.
> Unfortuetly I don't know whether it is available for download, or on
> sale commercaly yet.
_________________
I'm afraid this slips into a 'Urban Legend' type story. The kid, who
was actually from New Zealand, got some splashy headlines a while
back, but nothing substantive has come of it. It's just typical media
blather...
+ Adults are clueless about hi-tech, only kids can program VCR's and
deal with this kinda stuff.
+ Given that, only a kid could come up with a 'solution' to the Y2K
problem (the adults are clueless).
"Don't worry, those teenaged super-hackers will take a break, fix the
millennium bug in a coupla hours and then go back to hacking into the
Pentagon" Yeah, right!
--
Lee Fesperman, FFE Software, Inc. (http://www.firstsql.com/year2000/)
_________________________
Hey folks, when you're clipping, be careful to attach the right
author. Alleycat DID NOT write the statement above about the
Australian boy.
Also, if I should quote something YOU didn't say, feel free to correct
"me." The last time this happened I got a whole slew of replies. --
Alleycat
_______________________
____________________
Lee Fesperman
Alleycat wrote:
> Hey folks, when you're clipping, be careful to attach the right
> author. Alleycat DID NOT write the statement above about the
> Australian boy.
>
> Also, if I should quote something YOU didn't say, feel free to correct
> "me." The last time this happened I got a whole slew of replies. --
> Alleycat
It would help if you properly quoted material from other authors. If it is your software
that is braindead, I suggest you get better software or do the quoting yourself.
Even though it's hard to tell from the way you quoted it, I believe you also made a
comment about the 'Australian boy'.
john
In article <sranta-1402...@van-as-13a10.direct.ca>,
sra...@macwest.org (Steve Ranta) wrote:
>
>Problem? What problem? I just hope that people who use Macs won't have
>to pay for the incompetence of IBM clones and their programmers.
>
>- -
>Steve Ranta
MACs rule! Which is why I have a Mac on my desk at home.
Robert Sturgeon
And do you have a generator and fuel to run this magic machine? No
juice = no computing.
--
Robert Sturgeon-
"Tax and tax, spend and spend, elect and elect."
After 65 years, it's still working.
john
>And do you have a generator and fuel to run this magic machine? No
>juice = no computing.
>
>--
>Robert Sturgeon-
Of course I have a generator. Nice Honda with lots of gas and a cut-out
for the street juice. Any other stupid thoughts you want to pass along?
Or do you simply not understand the y2k problem?
Lee Fesperman
Cliff Pratt wrote:
>
> Alleycat wrote:
> >
> > Anyway on a serious note, an Austrailian boy aged 14, has written a
> > dos batch file that will prevent the year 2000 bug from damaging PC's.
> >
>
>
> And he doesn't claim to have solved the "year 2000 bug".
>
> And you can't damage a PC by putting the wrong date in or by
> the wrong date being used in the computer.
>
> SHEESH!
Right on, Cliff! Unfortunately, 'Alleycat' is going to ding you for misconstruing his
personal way of quoting ... he was quoting the above sentence from Chris
<mrr...@netvigator.com>.
BTW, the Australian/New Zealander/Eastern European (yes, yes, I know he was from NZ) kid
didn't exactly make such grandose claims, but the media certainly did.
Harold Lines
Steve Ranta wrote in message ...
>
>Problem? What problem? I just hope that people who use Macs won't have
>to pay for the incompetence of IBM clones and their programmers.
>
Wow, an IBM troll. Haven't seen one of those for some time.
I wouldn't worry about the Macintoshes. By the year 2000 they will all be
orphaned machines because Apple will be bankrupt by then. Either that or
they will be making only PCs.
- Harold
Harold Lines
>> Hey folks, when you're clipping, be careful to attach the right
>> author. Alleycat DID NOT write the statement above about the
>> Australian boy.
>>
>> Also, if I should quote something YOU didn't say, feel free to correct
>> "me." The last time this happened I got a whole slew of replies. --
>> Alleycat
>
>It would help if you properly quoted material from other authors. If it is your software
>that is braindead, I suggest you get better software or do the quoting yourself.
>
>Even though it's hard to tell from the way you quoted it, I believe you also made a
>comment about the 'Australian boy'.
>
>Lee Fesperman, FFE Software, Inc. (http://www.firstsql.com/year2000/)
dos batch file that will prevent the year 2000 bug from damaging PC's.
Unfortuetly I don't know whether it is available for download, or on
sale commercaly yet.
Steve Ranta
In article <6c7v23$8k4$1...@news.goodnet.com>, "Harold Lines"
> Steve Ranta wrote in message ...
> >
> >Problem? What problem? I just hope that people who use Macs won't have
> >to pay for the incompetence of IBM clones and their programmers.
> >
>
>
> Wow, an IBM troll. Haven't seen one of those for some time.
Maybe your newsreader isn't working right.
>
> I wouldn't worry about the Macintoshes. By the year 2000 they will all be
> orphaned machines because Apple will be bankrupt by then. Either that or
> they will be making only PCs.
More's the pity. Oh well, they don't write symphonies like they used to,
either.
- -
Steve Ranta
john
In article <6c7vkj$92c$1...@news.goodnet.com>, "Harold Lines"
>Anyway oon a serious note, an Austrailian boy aged 14, has written a
>dos batch file that will prevent the year 2000 bug from damaging PC's.
>This should be ideal for small companies and the home user.
>Unfortuetly I don't know whether it is available for download, or on
>sale commercaly yet.
Harold, you need to follow the thread more closely. It was a young boy
from New Zealand and it was more flash and mirrors than substance.
Any probelms that MAY exist on PC's is not of particular concern to the
government or industry/business. It is the mainframe problem where most of
the internal revenue, census, utilities, etc. files exist that is causing
all of the concern. And some 14 year old kid is not solving the problem
with a DOS fix when the problem is a COBOL problem. Simply stated, when
most of these major COBOL programs were written in the '60s and '70s no one
at the time thought these programs would be around in the year 2000. So to
save space they allowed only for the last two digits of dates to be stored.
So when 2000 does arrive the machines will think it is 1900 and not 2000
when "00" is stored. It is a massive problem if you are storing billions
of transactions with 2 digit dates.
Do you want to know if you have a problem on your PC? Simple. Change the
date to 2001 and see what happens. Most likely if you have a newer machine
with Win95 or windows 3.1 nothing untoward will occur.
Lee Fesperman
Harold Lines wrote:
>
> Lee Fesperman wrote in message <34E619...@ix.netcom.com>...
> >Alleycat wrote:
> >> Hey folks, when you're clipping, be careful to attach the right
> >> author. Alleycat DID NOT write the statement above about the
> >> Australian boy.
> >>
> >> Also, if I should quote something YOU didn't say, feel free to correct
> >> "me." The last time this happened I got a whole slew of replies. --
> >> Alleycat
> >
> >It would help if you properly quoted material from other authors. If it is your software
> >that is braindead, I suggest you get better software or do the quoting yourself.
> >
> >Even though it's hard to tell from the way you quoted it, I believe you also made a
> >comment about the 'Australian boy'.
> >
> >--
> >Lee Fesperman, FFE Software, Inc. (http://www.firstsql.com/year2000/)
>
> Whoops! You need to be more careful and read the whole post before you respond like that.
>
Yes, I did misunderstand his style of quoting in my first response. Of course, my
response applied to 'Alleycat' anyway since he referred also to the 'Australian boy' (he
was from NZ). I didn't misunderstand in my second response ... I criticized his method
of quoting. I've read a lot of usenet, and the vast majority use a more obvious method
of quoting - a leading character (like '>' or ':') in front of each line. My
experience is that those who don't are either inexperienced or prefer a personal style
without regard to readers.
I didn't brand him as "braindead" and only suggested that his software could be such.
Cliff Pratt
Alleycat wrote:
>
> Anyway on a serious note, an Austrailian boy aged 14, has written a
> dos batch file that will prevent the year 2000 bug from damaging PC's.
>
He's a **bloody** New Zealander fer christ sake!
And he doesn't claim to have solved the "year 2000 bug".
And you can't damage a PC by putting the wrong date in or by
the wrong date being used in the computer.
SHEESH!
Cliff
Alleycat
> Alleycat wrote:
> >
> > Anyway on a serious note, an Austrailian boy aged 14, has written a
> > dos batch file that will prevent the year 2000 bug from damaging PC's.
> >
___________________
Cliff Pratt wrote:
> He's a **bloody** New Zealander fer christ sake!
> And he doesn't claim to have solved the "year 2000 bug".
> And you can't damage a PC by putting the wrong date in or by
> the wrong date being used in the computer.
> SHEESH!
_____________________
Lee Fesperman wrote:
Right on, Cliff! Unfortunately, 'Alleycat' is going to ding you for
misconstruing his personal way of quoting ... he was quoting the above
sentence from Chris <mrr...@netvigator.com>.
BTW, the Australian/New Zealander/Eastern European (yes, yes, I know
he was from NZ) kid didn't exactly make such grandose claims, but the
media certainly did.
--
Lee Fesperman, FFE Software, Inc. (http://www.firstsql.com/year2000/)
________________
Thanks Lee! I can see how many of us get mixed up though. While most
people respond at the bottom of messages, some respond at the top.
That often throws the entire sequence into a maze and no one has a
clue about who said what, especially if there are more than two people
discussing things in the same message, and the arrows have been
knocked all over the place. One person then clips the wrong portion
with the wrong name at the top and the others follow the chain
naturally, believing they're responding to the right
person. -- Alleycat
Alleycat
Someone wrote:
> There are what? 300, 400, 1000 artificial satellites in earth orbit that
> have hardware with this problem. They can't just squirt a patch up to fix
> it either.
__________________
Hackman wrote:
they can't ? Why not. IT's done all the time....
___________________
What are they going to do? Wait until the year 2000 to fix them so
none start falling back to earth spreading radiation all over the
place and setting off missiles and starting wars and such? Saw on TV
that these things could happen and if communications broke down even
the President wouldn't be able to communicate with anyone. No one
would have communication.
Seems to be taking a mighty long time to come up with a solution to
something that could be of such great threat. Surely they're not
simply "procrastinating" when there's a simple fix. How long would it
take for them to fly out to space to patch up so many satellites
anyway? We don't have a full two years left to send people out into
orbit, let alone discover a solution, and I can't understand how it
could be a simple fix when the hardware as WELL as the software has to
be fixed. Surely some of that timing hardware must be on the
satellites themselves and not just in the machines on earth.
Oh heck. Why worry? Tomorrow could be our last day anyway. Clinton,
to his surprise, may not have had all the answers with Sadam. If
that's the case, "bi'yall". Hope we all end up in the same place and
can one day communicate again. Be sure to wear nice night clothes
for the next couple of days, and no torn underwear. And be sure to
tie your sheets around your nose and hold your breath for 24 hours.
Hey Al, got any more ideas? -- Alleycat
Lee Fesperman
Alleycat wrote:
> Thanks Lee! I can see how many of us get mixed up though. While most
> people respond at the bottom of messages, some respond at the top.
> That often throws the entire sequence into a maze and no one has a
> clue about who said what, especially if there are more than two people
> discussing things in the same message, and the arrows have been
> knocked all over the place. One person then clips the wrong portion
> with the wrong name at the top and the others follow the chain
> naturally, believing they're responding to the right
> person. -- Alleycat
Well, Alleycat, I have to admit that responding at the top of messages irritates me also
(am I just moody this weekend?) And, the maze of arrows/quotes/people can get kind of
mind boggling, too. Now, if I was running Usenet.... ;^)
Hackman
Steve Ranta wrote:
>
> In article <nojunkmailno-ya02408...@news.earthlink.net>,
> nojunk...@earthlink.net (john) wrote:
>
> . . .
> > Perhaps if those who are posting had only studied COBOL in highschool or
> > college instead of thumbsucking they might have some reasonable
> > understanding of the y2k problem.
>
> to pay for the incompetence of IBM clones and their programmers.
>
has nothing to do with Mac/PC...the problems going to show on main
frames as the main problem....
to bad you really don't understand the problem
(and enjoy your apple while you can...they won't be around long)
-
> Steve Ranta
Hackman
your the one arguing that your Mac is immune....to bad bands don't run
on Macs....
Hackman
Lee Fesperman wrote:
>
> Alleycat wrote:
> > Hey folks, when you're clipping, be careful to attach the right
> > author. Alleycat DID NOT write the statement above about the
> > Australian boy.
> >
> > Also, if I should quote something YOU didn't say, feel free to correct
> > "me." The last time this happened I got a whole slew of replies. --
> > Alleycat
>
> It would help if you properly quoted material from other authors. If it is your software
> that is braindead, I suggest you get better software or do the quoting yourself.
>
> Even though it's hard to tell from the way you quoted it, I believe you also made a
> comment about the 'Australian boy'.
>
Yeah...I really wish Allycat would start quoting post with include
indicators...would make it a lot easier to parse her post....
me
Alleycat wrote:
>
> Someone wrote:
> > There are what? 300, 400, 1000 artificial satellites in earth orbit that
> > have hardware with this problem. They can't just squirt a patch up to fix
> > it either.
> __________________
> Hackman wrote:
> ___________________
>
> What are they going to do? Wait until the year 2000 to fix them so
> none start falling back to earth spreading radiation all over the
> place and setting off missiles and starting wars and such? Saw on TV
> that these things could happen and if communications broke down even
> the President wouldn't be able to communicate with anyone. No one
> would have communication.
>
methods to guarantee communication between The President of The United
States and his defense lawyers.
Trever Miller
Alleycat (kibble...@telusplanet.net) wrote:
> Seems to be taking a mighty long time to come up with a solution to
> something that could be of such great threat. Surely they're not
> simply "procrastinating" when there's a simple fix. How long would it
> take for them to fly out to space to patch up so many satellites
> anyway? We don't have a full two years left to send people out into
> orbit, let alone discover a solution, and I can't understand how it
> could be a simple fix when the hardware as WELL as the software has to
> be fixed. Surely some of that timing hardware must be on the
> satellites themselves and not just in the machines on earth.
Grab a clue. The US hasn't sent anyone anywhere near geosync orbit
in decades. Doubt it has the capability right now, actually. Either the
birds can be patched/remediated/whatever via telemetry, or they can't.
--
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Ron Martell
kibble...@telusplanet.net (Alleycat) wrote:
>
>> Alleycat wrote:
>> >
>> > Anyway on a serious note, an Austrailian boy aged 14, has written a
>> > dos batch file that will prevent the year 2000 bug from damaging PC's.
>> >
>___________________
>
>Cliff Pratt wrote:
>> He's a **bloody** New Zealander fer christ sake!
>> And he doesn't claim to have solved the "year 2000 bug".
>> And you can't damage a PC by putting the wrong date in or by
>> the wrong date being used in the computer.
>> SHEESH!
>_____________________
>Lee Fesperman wrote:
>Right on, Cliff! Unfortunately, 'Alleycat' is going to ding you for
>misconstruing his personal way of quoting ... he was quoting the above
>sentence from Chris <mrr...@netvigator.com>.
>
>BTW, the Australian/New Zealander/Eastern European (yes, yes, I know
>he was from NZ) kid didn't exactly make such grandose claims, but the
>media certainly did.
Also your method of identifying quoted material and distinguishing it
from your message is used by approximately 0.0000000001% of the people
on usenet, with the remaining 99.9999999999% following the convention
of inserting a > character at the beginning of each line of quoted
material.
Your method is just an invitation to confusion, no matter how elegant
or logical it may appear to you.
Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://www.islandnet.com/~rmartell/online.htm
"When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem you encounter
resembles a nail."
Hackman
yes...this is the major problem I have reading Allycats stuff...I like
her post, but hate parsing it!
Hackman
Alleycat wrote:
>
> Someone wrote:
> > There are what? 300, 400, 1000 artificial satellites in earth orbit that
> > have hardware with this problem. They can't just squirt a patch up to fix
> > it either.
> __________________
> Hackman wrote:
>
> What are they going to do? Wait until the year 2000 to fix them so
> none start falling back to earth spreading radiation all over the
> place and setting off missiles and starting wars and such? Saw on TV
> that these things could happen and if communications broke down even
> the President wouldn't be able to communicate with anyone. No one
> would have communication.
>
> something that could be of such great threat. Surely they're not
> simply "procrastinating" when there's a simple fix. How long would it
> take for them to fly out to space to patch up so many satellites
> anyway?
what makes you think you need to visit the bird ?
Software patches are sent to these birds ALL THE TIME.
Think you're going to read about it in Omni or something ?
> We don't have a full two years left to send people out into
> orbit, let alone discover a solution, and I can't understand how it
> could be a simple fix when the hardware as WELL as the software has to
> be fixed. Surely some of that timing hardware must be on the
> satellites themselves and not just in the machines on earth.
>
why do you people think that the hardware will have to change ?
These changes will/are made in software.
> Oh heck. Why worry? Tomorrow could be our last day anyway. Clinton,
> to his surprise, may not have had all the answers with Sadam. If
> that's the case, "bi'yall". Hope we all end up in the same place and
> can one day communicate again. Be sure to wear nice night clothes
> for the next couple of days, and no torn underwear. And be sure to
> tie your sheets around your nose and hold your breath for 24 hours.
> Hey Al, got any more ideas? -- Alleycat
right...if these birds were all going to fall out of the sky on midnight
2000
don't you think something would be done about it ?
Well guess what...it is being handled...I know....
(I do some of the "handling")
WE_DONT_NEED_NO_S...@microtec.net
On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:06:03 GMT, kibble...@telusplanet.net
(Alleycat) wrote:
>The problem is much bigger than people let on. I am personally
>cashing out every single bank, credit card, stock, bond. EVERYTHING
>account in December of 1999. This may cause a world wide depression.
I won't wait until December 1999.
By December, If there's a "run for it" by enough people there's a real
risk gv would "freeze" all account larger than "x" amount until 2000
is passed in order to prevent an economical collapse. Whatever they
call-it, the net result would be that I wouldn't be able to get my
cash out of there. Not acceptable.
I plan to have all my money cashed by late August 1999. Why then?
September is end of fiscal year for many company in CDN. The "new"
1999-2000 fiscal year might generate enough problem that gv will
already start taking step during the issuing month therefore to be on
the safe side ...
While we're on the subject of safety net. This may sound apocalyptic
but I wouldn't wait until the last minute to stock-up on supply
either. I've never been a "survival" fanatic but the experience I
lived in Quebec with this year ice storm proved to me beyond any doubt
that it doesn't take all that much to disrupt food supply and put my
family at risk. This was a simple little ice storm that cut the power
for less than 10 days and for most of us it was a real disaster.
People died, some business are near bankruptcy, cost are estimated in
the billions of dollar.
I plan to have enough food / gas / wood / etc to last 1 year by then
also.... Just to be on the safe side ...
As they say, once burned, twice warned...
Sheldon Scott
Steve Ranta (sra...@macwest.org) wrote:
: nojunk...@earthlink.net (john) wrote:
: > Perhaps if those who are posting had only studied COBOL in highschool
: > or college instead of thumbsucking they might have some reasonable
: > understanding of the y2k problem.
:
: Problem? What problem? I just hope that people who use Macs won't have
: to pay for the incompetence of IBM clones and their programmers.
I don't find it at all surprising that Ranta is relating the Y2K problem
to IBM clones; after all, the two have nothing whatever to do with each
other.
--
)-: E-mail will be posted as I see fit. :-(
(-: "Off the monitor, through the modem, nothing but net." :-)
Ron Martell
nojunk...@earthlink.net (john) wrote:
>Do you want to know if you have a problem on your PC? Simple. Change the
>date to 2001 and see what happens. Most likely if you have a newer machine
>with Win95 or windows 3.1 nothing untoward will occur.
Except:
- deleted email and newsgroup postings if you have an automatic purge
after x days. Several postings to comp.software.year-2000 have
woefully related this tale.
- advancing of the next automatic update check for any applications
that have this facility. I have a client whose Cleansweep installation
will next check for updates on Jan 7, 2000.
- expiry of any time related software licenses. More of a mainframe
problem but it can happen with vertical market PC stuff.
Be careful. Boot from a floppy if you are doing date rollover tests.
Alleycat
nojunk...@earthlink.net (john) wrote:
Goodo! Reading some of this tripe it is easy to recognise that most
of those posting have no idea where the problem actually lies and what
is needed to correct it.
Perhaps if those who are posting had only studied COBOL in highschool
or college instead of thumbsucking they might have some reasonable
understanding of the y2k problem.
_____________________
Since you seem to be the only one who knows where the problem lies,
why are you keeping such it a secret? We would love to hear your
words of wisdom. -- Alleycat
_____________________
Alleycat
Re: Complaints About Not Putting Arrows in Front of Messages
Since I'm getting millions of arrows arrows flinged from all
directions, (so many they drive me mad) and since Valentine's day has
now passed, I guess I have to toss my arrogance aside and assume
people aren't sending these things out of love. Therefore if somebody
knows how to set up Free Agent with the arrows in front of each line,
I'll comply. Tried playing with one of the things that said "prefix"
symbol (or something or other) but that didn't work. It just messed
up things terribly on this end.
Oh oh. Here comes my friend, the DataRat, (the Microsoft Stock
invester) on a white horse. Quick, where's my sword? Don't want to
wound him but would enjoy flipping his helmet off. Must forever
defend free competition and endless opportunities for "up-and-coming"
programmers! -- Alleycat
Alleycat
Somebody wrote:
bullshit....there is nothing in the "hardware" that can't be over come
via software in these systems.
_________________
Well then why do people constantly need to upgrade their entire
systems? Is it "A-L-L" a great big fraudulent marketing ploy or is it
just so very costly that it wouldn't be feasible to do such a thing?
If it's not be not feasible, I take that to mean it's pretty well
senseless. -- Alleycat
________________
Lee Fesperman
Alleycat wrote:
>
> Re: Complaints About Not Putting Arrows in Front of Messages
>
> Since I'm getting millions of arrows arrows flinged from all
> directions, (so many they drive me mad) and since Valentine's day has
> now passed, I guess I have to toss my arrogance aside and assume
> people aren't sending these things out of love. Therefore if somebody
> knows how to set up Free Agent with the arrows in front of each line,
> I'll comply. Tried playing with one of the things that said "prefix"
> symbol (or something or other) but that didn't work. It just messed
> up things terribly on this end.
It looks like your software is 'braindead' after all. At least you tried!
And ... yes, they were 'love' arrows ... at least from me ;^)
Hackman
Alleycat wrote:
I was the one that said that Ally...and we're talking space birds here,
and the software on these puppies CAN be updated, and date related
problems can be software fixed....
by-the-way...back are NOT replacing there hardware to fix the Y2K
problem...there doing it in hardware....
Alley, this is what I do every day for a living...I would think I would
know....
Hackman
Alleycat wrote:
yes...notice the gentleman here mentioned cobol....thats ummm a software
language Ally...
and it's the bands and such that will have the problem, any software that
does date related math etc.
there is no need to do hardware upgrades to fix what can be fixed in
hardware...
and by-the-way..nojunkmail..I program cobol (among other langs)
DataRat
"Oh oh. Here comes my friend, the DataRat, (the Microsoft Stock
invester) on a white horse. Quick, where's my sword?"
The DataRat doesn't own any MS stock, dear AlleyCat. He is just
a great admirer of Bill Gates. While he likes Microsoft
products,
generally, he uses Netscape Communicator for his news reader and
web browser -and so should YOU. It grieves us all to witness
the
problems you're having with Agent.
Your Buddy,
DataRat
Bruce Maples
>Therefore if somebody
>knows how to set up Free Agent with the arrows in front of each line,
>I'll comply.
This message was sent from Free Agent 1.132, so it can be done.
Go to Options-->Posting Preferences. Under Quoting, check the two
boxes and enter > as the Prefix for Quoted Lines.
Works here.
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Scott Kane - MSA
>>Do you want to know if you have a problem on your PC? Simple. Change the
>>date to 2001 and see what happens. Most likely if you have a newer
machine
>>with Win95 or windows 3.1 nothing untoward will occur.
Not strictly true. There are heaps of Win 3.1 apps out there that choke
because they are not Y2K compliant.
Scott
Hackman
I am going to have to post a long discussion on the Y2K problem and how it is
effected in software ?
If thats what it will take to make this go away, I will...
Deejaycue
x...@microtec.net wrote
>
>By December, If there's a "run for it" by enough people there's a real
>risk gv would "freeze" all account larger than "x" amount until 2000
>is passed in order to prevent an economical collapse. Whatever they
>call-it, the net result would be that I wouldn't be able to get my
>cash out of there. Not acceptable.
>
What makes you think paper money will be worth
anything? It has to have something to back it up,
eg the gold in Fort Knox, but it won't have anything
if the worst happens. You'll end up with a sackful of
paper.
Incidentally, if the power goes off, does that mean
that Fort Knox is, erhum, vulnerable?
Deej
KEEP_YOUR_STIN...@microtec.net
>Don't forget to take out a humungous loan too!
LOL, why the heck not!
>What makes you think paper money will be worth
>anything? It has to have something to back it up,
Paper money *would* have some value for at least a short time (weeks?
Months). Obviously, if you see that things are taking a turn for the
worst you spend-it a.s.a.p. on "readiness" (a.k.a. survival) gears.
First obvious purchased would be gas/oil. For myself, I don't put food
since by that time, i'll already be geared-up properly on that
respect. I'm currently at 3 months supply for a family of 5.
KEEP_YOUR_STIN...@microtec.net
>Perhaps if those who are posting had only studied COBOL in highschool
>or college instead of thumbsucking they might have some reasonable
>understanding of the y2k problem.
The problem is far from beeing limited to old legacy code. Heck, even
JAVA has a Y2K bug in it (See BoardWatch site).
Alleycat
them...@worldnet.att.net (Bruce Maples) wrote:
Thanks, I've done that now but still don't see any arrows on my end.
Can you see them on yours? Maybe I'll have to close the Free Agent
program and then open it again. -- Alleycat
____________________
Alleycat
Hackman <hac...@nospam.jump.net> wrote:
________________
That made me laugh, Hackman. Tell me, wouldn't you smile yourself if
the President or Prime Minister said "I do this every day for a living
so I would think I would know?"
I'm still curious about one question you never answered though. It
was the question about why computers need to be upgraded if they can
be fixed so easily with software. Is it just fraud?
Another thing I don't understand is that if software can fix the
problems, why hasn't anyone told us about this software? Does it
exist or doesn't it? If it exists, why is it such a secret, and if it
doesn't exist, what's the delay? Is someone planing on releasing it
on New Year's eve in 1999?
By the way, did you get arrows in this message now? I still can't see
any on my end. -- Alleycat
__________________
Alleycat
DataRat <dat...@home.com> wrote:
______________
No need to grieve thar, DataRat. Some of us actually enjoy tying
ourselves in knots because it's such am amusing challenge trying to
figure out how to wriggle out. If I didn't do that, I'd probably be
so bored I'd probably get hung up on cable. -- Alleycat
______________
Alleycat
Lee Fesperman <firs...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Alleycat wrote:
>>
>> Re: Complaints About Not Putting Arrows in Front of Messages
>>
>> Since I'm getting millions of arrows arrows flinged from all
>> directions, (so many they drive me mad) and since Valentine's day has
>> now passed, I guess I have to toss my arrogance aside and assume
>> people aren't sending these things out of love. Therefore if somebody
>> knows how to set up Free Agent with the arrows in front of each line,
>> I'll comply. Tried playing with one of the things that said "prefix"
>> symbol (or something or other) but that didn't work. It just messed
>> up things terribly on this end.
>
>It looks like your software is 'braindead' after all. At least you tried!
>
>And ... yes, they were 'love' arrows ... at least from me ;^)
>
>--
>Lee Fesperman, FFE Software, Inc. (http://www.firstsql.com/year2000/)
________________
Ain't he sweet. He sure is kinda sweet....
Can't take a love arrow without sending a kiss back can I.
"XXX"
Ooops. Oh for heaven's sakes. Can't even send a kiss these days
without it looking like triple X pornography. Guess I'll have to
stick with arrows. -- Alleycat.
Hackman
Alleycat wrote:
well, your talking two different things here...if your talking about adding
more processing power, memory access speed or others, then yes, you would
need to upgrade the hardware...if your talking about what happens when you
compain two date, and you are just looking at the last two digets to do the
compain, then why dod you thing you would need to change the
hardware,,,,just fix the portion of the software that is doing the data
compairson...is that to hard to understand ?
> Another thing I don't understand is that if software can fix the
> problems, why hasn't anyone told us about this software? Does it
> exist or doesn't it? If it exists, why is it such a secret, and if it
> doesn't exist, what's the delay? Is someone planing on releasing it
> on New Year's eve in 1999?
>
what do yuo think I do ever day (besides post here 8:)
spend my days doing just that...fixing these software packages to handle
dates properly..
> By the way, did you get arrows in this message now? I still can't see
> any on my end. -- Alleycat
>
yes...thats for trying!
> __________________
Frank Serpico Jr
>>Do you want to know if you have a problem on your PC? Simple. Change the
>>date to 2001 and see what happens. Most likely if you have a newer
machine
>>with Win95 or windows 3.1 nothing untoward will occur.Not strictly true. There are heaps of Win 3.1 apps out there that choke
because they are not Y2K compliant.Scott
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Chris Anderson
>Scott Kane - MSA wrote:
>> Not strictly true. There are heaps of Win 3.1 apps out there that choke
>> because they are not Y2K compliant.
Heaps? Can you please be a little more specific
and name them.
I have found precisely ONE. And I have been looking
quite hard. One is not a Heap. B>)
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In article <34f7db87...@news2.fast.co.za>, sl...@fast.co.za (Chris Anderson) wrote:
>>Scott Kane - MSA wrote:
>>> Not strictly true. There are heaps of Win 3.1 apps out there that choke
>>> because they are not Y2K compliant.
>
>Heaps? Can you please be a little more specific
>and name them.
>I have found precisely ONE. And I have been looking
>quite hard. One is not a Heap. B>)
Well maybe it is not a "big heap". Perhaps we'll just call is a "small heap
;-). Wasn't there a Carry-On movie like that?
derek n, RdNck, Pen-Arm of the Righteous, esq.
"Never initiate force against another. _That_ should be the underlying
principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate
without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are
sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming
- you or yours again."
(F. Paul Wilson - 'THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO; Revised Eastern Sect Edition')
********** THE ONLY GOOD ENVIRONMENT IS A MAN-MADE ENVIRONMENT ***********
Hackman
David Collier-Brown wrote:
> Someone wrote:
> > > There are what? 300, 400, 1000 artificial satellites in earth
> > > orbit that have hardware with this problem. They can't just
> > > squirt a patch up to fix it either.
> > __________________
> > Hackman wrote:
> > they can't ? Why not. IT's done all the time....
> > ___________________
> >
> Alleycat wrote:
> > > What are they going to do? Wait until the year 2000 to fix them so
> > none start falling back to earth spreading radiation all over the
> > place and setting off missiles and starting wars and such?
> [snip!]
>
> Space systems normally have remote reprogramming capabilities: see
> the recent discussion on the mars rover bug-fix.
>
yes...somehow Ally thinks that every time a new chip comes out we have to
bring dwon all the birds for an upgrade.Also, I really wonder Alley just
how much date manipulation these birds do ?
Anybody out there doing there taxes on a Sat. computer ?
> --dave
> --
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Steve Dover
me wrote:
>
[snip]
> Don't worry, in the event of even a nuclear catastrophe there are
> methods to guarantee communication between The President of The United
> States and his defense lawyers.
So that's what interns are for. ;-)
francesgrant
On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:58:49 GMT, kibble...@telusplanet.net
(Alleycat) wrote:
>A person could make a movie out of this (comical or otherwise).
>Imagine, the whole world going to withdraw cash and various financial
>institutions saying "I'm sorry. Our computers are fouled up. You'll
>have to wait a couple of months or more unless you can P-R-O-V-E you
>had that kind of money."
>
>Think of all the things you would rather not do on the first day of
>the year 2000 such as:
>
>flying a plane,
>fighting a war (could start one by accident),
>riding a train,
>undergoing an operation, etc.
>
>Any other ideas? This thread could be quite informative and
>interesting. It may not be law-enforcement related, but it might give
>us some amusing ideas to think about that could spare unnecessary
>distress. It might even give some people ideas about where they might
>want to invest. -- Alleycat
>
Investments? Me I`m taking out shares in Calor Gas Bottles and 4000
tins of baked beans...
Oh, and I`ll be studying computing HARD at college.........
Skip Corbin
I'll be installing a huge 500 gallon gas tank to store gas in. The oil
tankers are floating through the grace of god and a small but outdated
computer which controls the ballast tanks. Perhaps starting a garden
since most of the trains and tractor trailers will be breaking down.
Actually investing in train companies might not be a bad idea. There
are still some fully operational ones that burn coal. We'll have wagons
west all over again. Try buying gold and gems. They retain value
regardless of economy. Usually survive better too. Maybe it wouldn't
hurt to be a conservation officer they sometimes get horses to patrol
the parks on. Your house should probably have a passive electrical
source too (solar, wind or water turbine.)
Chris
year 2000 ? no problem!
Let's just take a leaf out of the North Korean's book.
reset all the computets to year 01, and have a happy new calander,
prehaps the year of Alan Yu ?