Mistakes in the movie Titanic
greg pittman
There's a scene where a woman from steerage takes her 2 kids to their
room as the boat is sinking and tells them a happily-ever-after story
which we assume means they're giving up hope of escaping and planning to
go down with the boat. Also, in the same sequence, an old couple
clutches each others' hands as water wells up next to their bed. Later,
after we've all cried over the death of the woman and 2 kids, they are
in a large scene in the background hopping on a lifeboat.
In the scene where Jack and his friend are standing on the bow looking
at the dolphins swimming ahead of the ship, the dolphins are clearly
Pacific white-sides, not any Atlantic species.
How come everyone dies so suddenly of hypothermia when they get off the
ship and into the ocean, but suffer no apparent ill-effects when the
same ocean water comes into the ship? Especially our hero and heroine,
who run through it neck-deep, swim in it, etc. for more than an hour
before finally escaping onto the deck, where again they give no
indication of suffering the slightest bit from the cold. Muscles freeze
up VERY quickly in water that temperature. [Hypothermia kicks in when
you're not moving in water - moving around keeps you warm, as anyone
who's get into a cold swimming pool will tell you].
The wreckage in the movie is really the actual Titanic wreck, not any
special effects. Director James Cameron cried when he went down to see
it. [Not all the shots are real - some were created specifically for the
film].
If you look hard, Arnold Schwarzenegger supposedly makes a cameo in a
dance scene. [No-one's confirmed the Arnie sighting, but director James
Cameron is clearly visible beyond Fabri and Helga].
When the ship is sinking, where are all the dogs? In the beginning they
showed at least twenty dogs, but you never see them while the ship is
sinking. [Apparently there were dogs in the original film, but they had
to be left on the cutting room floor due to time limitations].
The lake that Jack told Rose he went ice fishing on when she was
threatening to jump is a man-made lake in Wisconsin near Chippewa Falls
(where Jack grew up). The lake was filled in 1917, 5 years after Titanic
sank.
When Jack comes to the first class dinner, Molly asks him if he'd care
to escort her to dinner (Rose is already on his other arm). He says
certainly and they link arms - Rose-Jack-Molly. Then the camera cuts to
focus on Cal who's walking ahead of the group.
When you look behind Cal, Molly is walking all by herself with no sign
of Jack or Rose. [If you look carefully you can actually see Jack and
Rose to the far left of the picture - either they separated quickly or
there was an intervening shot which got cut].
When the order is given to turn in one direction to avoid the iceberg,
and the wheel is spun in the opposite direction, this is a mistake.
Apparently orders have always been given in terms of the direction the
boat is meant to go, so the sailor DOES turn the wheel in the wrong
direction.
How could they haul the safe from the wreck? The robot has to meander
through several doorways and rooms to find it. Even if the robots could
be manipulated to harness a net around the safe, the prospect of
dragging it back through all those obstacles to finally lift it to the
surface seems patently impossible.
When Rose is trying to rescue Jack she spies a fire axe. Smashing all
the glass out from the holder she grabs the axe and turns round. The
next camera shot shows Rose standing in front of the case with almost
all of its glass intact.
Apparently you can see some bloke running down the deck of the ship as
in he was running and they tilted the camera to make it look like he was
falling, but that's unconfirmed.
In the scene where Rose is threatening to jump, she has a tattoo on her
left arm. [Apparently not - it's a piece of the dress].
When Leonardo DiCaprio says "sit on the bed....I mean the couch", it
says in the script "sit on the couch" - Leo really made that mistake.
During the whole scene where Kate Winslet is floating around in the
freezing water, she realises that even though her man has died, she must
go on. So she proceeds to grab a METAL whistle to alert help. Now if
you've ever stuck your tongue on a cold metal object, you know that it
will stick, so how can we be expected to believe that it doesn't stick
to hers?
Kate Winslet is running around in water for over half the movie and
still has perfect make-up on. I don't really think that water-proof
mascara was around at that time.
When the Titanic has gone down, one of the boats comes back to pick up
survivors, the man on the boat shouts: "Can anybody hear me?" and a
clear echo answers him. But how? There's nothing around to create the
echo.....
Early in the movie old Rose states that she only wore the diamond
necklace "this once" (when Jack draws her picture). Later in the movie
Cal is shown helping her put it on when giving it to her. That's twice.
[She only really remembered the first time because that's the one that
really meant anything]
When the ships sinks and the back is rising, you see no people swim
under the ship. When the ship breaks and falls down, the sea is crowded
with people, who get crushed under the ship.
If you listen carefully, the sound of the ocean during deck scenes is
the actual sound of the breakers on the beach, not the sound of a ship's
wake.
In the scene on deck where Kate is checking out Leo's portfolio, and Leo
is teaching her to spit, for a split second you can see the breakers
rolling in to shore through the ship's railing. Also in this scene, the
angle of the shadows changes constantly, indicating the scene was shot
several times throughout the afternoon and then spliced together. And if
you really think of it, if the Titanic was travelling east to west, the
late afternoon sun would not be hitting the SIDE of the ship at all.
Young Rose has green eyes, but Old Rose has blue eyes.
When Jack hands Rose the note at the dinner table the paper is yellow.
Later when the note is read the paper is white.
In the beginning, and throughout the movie Titanic, 'The Water-lilies,'
by Claude Monet, is pictured. There are many paintings that Monet did in
his lifetime that included waterliles, but I believe this painting
wasn't completed until the year 1923, in Orangerie, Paris. The painting
was begun in 1916. So then how can a completed rendering be on the ship
in 1912?
The Statue of Liberty's crown and torch weren't lit in the 50's, so it's
unlikely that it was lit when the Titanic's survivors arrived there.
When Jack goes up to first class on a Sunday morning, the group is
singing the Navy Hymn "Eternal Father". What is impossible is that they
are singing the last two lines of the verse written for Naval Aviators.
The verse starts "Lord guard and guide the men who fly". They are
singing the last two lines, "Oh, hear us when we lift our prayer, For
those in peril in the air." The Wright Brothers flew about 8 years
before, and I don't believe that this verse was even added until the
1930's.
Why was it that Jack, a 3rd class passenger, could pass SO easily from
3rd class to 1st class throughout the movie, and then at the end when he
REALLY needed to get there, he couldn't get out?
During the scene where Jack and Rose are enjoying their "flying" with a
beautiful sunset as a background, the ship is going the wrong way! If as
the scene was shot, the sunset was off the port (left) of the ship, it
would have to be steaming north, not west as would be expected of any
ship heading to New York from Britain.
When Jack is trying to convince Rose not to jump by describing how cold
the water is to her, he rests his right arm on the rail of the ship,
saying "I'm telling you, water that cold, like right down there, it hits
you like a thousand knives...." Then in the next shot, when he begins
with, "Which is why I'm not looking forward to jumping in there after
you", he's resting on his left arm. [He could have moved between shots,
but shifting your weight completely from one side to the other can't
happen very quickly.]
When Jack is handcuffed below deck you can see the water line on the
porthole. Then we're taken to where Kate's at for her dialogue. Then we
get a cut to the outside of the ship with a water level view. The camera
then dips into the water down to Jack's porthole, clearly under water
now, 5 to 8 feet. Yet in various scenes after this point there appears a
water line on the porthole, sometimes there and then sometimes not.
The fat guy of the boat's crew wears a black smile t-shirt at the
beginning of old Rose's narration, later he wears a white one with a
flag on it. [Everyone's wearing different clothes at this point - there
was a present day scene showing the narration ending and continuing on a
different day, but it was cut out of the finished film].
When trying to steer around the iceberg, they put the propellers in
reverse. If they wanted the bow to turn left, they would have turned
better and faster had they left the propellers in forward to push the
stern to the right to force the bow to the left. [This mistake was
actually made by the crew - the Officer of the deck in charge of the
bridge that night directly contradicted everything that was taught to
shipmasters when in peril of collision. He ordered the turn rather than
just hitting the berg head on, he ordered the engines reversed as well,
which they had been specifically taught would make the ship turn more
poorly than normal. He should have steered straight for the berg and
ordered "All Stop" on the engines. Titanic could have easily survived
for many hours with her bow crushed because only one compartment, the
bow, would have flooded, as opposed to the six.].
In the scene where the ship tilts to a vertical position, you see people
falling and hitting objects on the deck. In a close up of that, you can
see that a black metal cylinder thing has wrinkles in it and bends when
someone hits it.
When Jack and Rose are running from the raging water that is gushing
down the hall after them you can see the faces of the stunt doubles
through the computer generated ones of Leonardo and Kate.
In the scene when Jack is to draw Rose's picture she hands him a dime
stating ''As a paying customer...'' The dime is not a Barber dime but a
current one. [Apparently not - the dime is the correct pattern].
This has been mentioned so many times, each mail contradicting the
other, so a final choice: All four funnels have smoke coming out of them
in the film, but apparently the fourth one was actually fake, so
shouldn't have smoked. However, someone said to me that in fact it
wasn't completely fake - it just had a section of it closed off to store
deck chairs in it, but was still also used for ventilating the kitchens,
explaining the slight smoke. I'm sticking to that one, because it
straddles the fence quite nicely. Also, be aware that because the smoke
from the other three is blown over the fourth, it makes it hard to tell
whether it's actually smoking or not.
In the scene where Rose is looking at Jack on the bow of the ship, you
can see a tiny bit of desert behind him.
When the ship is sinking, and Rose and Jack are running through the
inside of the ship, you can blatantly see cameras and crew outside the
window.
In the scene where Jack and Fabrizio are watching the dolphins at the
bow of the ship, the draft markings change from one scene to the next.
In the Southampton scene when the boat is leaving dock, if you look
closely, you can see a distant beach behind the boat. This is the
landscape of where they filmed.
Rose has a supposedly original painting of the Monet waterliles. Except
that the original painting is huge - it's as high as the ceiling and as
long as a wall.
How is it that Rose, who is so obviously a very refined upper class lady
at the beginning of the film, and is shocked by Jack's drawings, and is
insulted when he asks her improper questions etc., is so willing a
little later in the film to suggest that she strip off for Jack so he
can draw her naked. Surely that would have been improper as far as
Rose's morals went? I know he'd opened her up to the fun side of life,
but still...
If you look real closely at the brass buttons on the captain's jacket,
you can see that they were apparently made in 1922 - ten years after the
ship sank!
Before Rose decides to leave the dinner party at the very beginning of
the trip, she is wearing a necklace. When she is running outside to go
and jump it is gone. In fact the necklace never appears again.
If Rose would have taken the life boat like she was asked to, Jack would
have had the bit of wood all to himself. Then, he wouldn't have died and
would have later on been able to be with Rose.
Throughout the whole movie, you can see the outline of hills in the
background, even though the Titanic sank in the middle of the Atlantic.
After Rose has helped Jack to get loose from where he is handcuffed, as
he is jumping over a bench one minute he has the handcuffs on, the next
shot they're gone. Then they're back.
In the car scene, she pulls him from the front seat and into the back
through the window, never pulling the window back up. Then after they
have sex, it is all steamed up. This is impossible to do if that window
is still down. [It could have been seriously hot sex...]
How in the heck did Jack's CHARCOAL drawing of Rose survive water-logged
all those years? He didn't spray on a sealer.
If you see the video for "My Heart Will Go On" (it might have been part
of a Celine Dion special in '97, possibly before the video was
completed), one of the scenes included is a shot of Billy Zane punching
Leo in the stomach during the shooting/stair scene. No such shot made
it to the final film.
Rose pays Jack with a dime. You would think that, after being in Europe,
she'd have exchanged all of her money for the proper currency, and not
exchanged it back to American currency until she landed.
In the scene where they meet Mr. Andrews at the fireplace he hands Rose
something...a note, I think. No-one ever refers to it again. [It's not a
note, it's a life-jacket].
When Jack and Rose are kissing after Rose's flying session, her hand is
around his neck..suddenly there's a cut and it's right by her side..so
quick....
When Rose is positioning herself on the couch, Jack says "cool" - surely
not a word of the 1910s?
After the ship has sunk and Rose and Jack are floating in the water, you
may notice that their hair is frozen. How could this happen as salt
water doesn't freeze? [Salt water does freeze, but at a much lower
temperature. In reference to the comment that was here about icebergs -
they're fresh water].
The paintings of Picasso that Rose has are original but they couldn't be
the originals because the originals are now in a museum (the Louvre?).
When they send a distress call for help from any near-by ships, they
send a CQD morse-code message in the film. However, in reality the CQD
distress call was replaced by the SOS the same year that the Titanic
went down. The Titanic was actually the first ship to ever use the SOS -
not the CQD used in the film. Also, because the new distress call was
only new, the near-by ship didn't recognise it for
what it was, and didn't come to help.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the scene with the dolphins jumping up
in front of the ship the same scene as the one from Under Siege?
David Warner's character (Lovejoy) carries a polished, plated and
highly-engraved handgun that Cal uses to shoot at Jack and Rose as the
ship is sinking. The handgun is a Model 1911 Colt .45 calibre
semi-automatic pistol. The problem is that the entire 1911 production
(and well into 1912) of the Colt .45 was to fill a U.S. government
contract for a new sidearm. Lovejoy's Colt wasn't manufactured until
after the Titanic sank and thus, could not have been aboard the ship.
Cal and Rose are supposedly in cabins B52-54-56, but in reality this was
the suite occupied by Chairman Bruce Ismay.
Eric Braeden, playing John Jacob Astor, is shown on boat deck level of
the grand staircase when the glass dome collapses from the weight of the
water. But when the real Astor's body was found, it was terribly crushed
and covered with soot. In all likelihood, he was one of those
unfortunates who was caught beneath the falling forward funnel.
Thomas Andrews is shown looking up from his ship plans at a quivering
light fixture at the moment when the Titanic hits the iceberg. In
reality, he did not feel or become aware of the collision until told
about it some 10-15 minutes later.
The Master-at-Arms office, where Jack is handcuffed, was in actuality an
inside cabin and had no portholes at all.
After all Rose goes through to end up on a piece of wood floating in the
Atlantic...she still has both of her shoes on. They aren't strapped on
either.
At the end of the film, we're supposed to understand that Rose dies in
her sleep and is reunited in heaven with Jack to after-live happily
everhereafter. What everyone seems to forget is that Rose only knew Jack
for a few days - three quarters of a century before. Afterwards, she
went on to spend the vast majority of her years in love with and raising
a family with her beloved husband. This is the man with whom she should
be spending the rest of eternity, not some adolescent fling. [She does
say that she never loved her husband as much as she loved Jack - he was
her soulmate].
One of the two Russian submarines James Cameron hired to film the wreck
pretty much flattened the forward crows nest.
No WAY could a steerage passenger and a first class passenger ever meet
- the class system was still rigidly enforced in 1912.
When Rose is telling Mr Andrews that she saw the iceberg, if you look at
the large glass dome on the ceiling daylight is showing, but the Titanic
sank at night. [The dome was lit up at night]
When Titanic is sinking you see several times from a side view the hull
of the ship under water at an angle but the four large funnels appear
vertical, when you would expect the funnels to be at an angle too.
There was no door between boiler room 6 and the cargo area.
Professional Radio Operators hold the key used for morse code between
their thumb and two fingers - they don't tap it, as was shown. Tapping
would produce a harsh voice in morse code.
When everybody falls into the water, Rose is lucky enough to find
something to lie on while Jack must wade in the water. How come none of
the other people stuck in the water tried to get to Rose and knock her
off? There should have been complete chaos but everybody just decided to
float around in the water.
When Jack is hand-cuffed to some pipes and the ship is sinking, Rose
finds an axe to save him. Check out the few frames where Rose is
actually swinging at Jack's handcuffs. You can see she never even came
close to hitting them - or Jack - or the pipes he was handcuffed to! If
you have a really good VCR you can even see that Jack has break-away
handcuffs on.
Since Cal really did love Rose, don't you think he would have tried a
little harder looking for her in the end on the rescue boat? He just
took a brief look and then left. Incidentally, the script indeed had Cal
finding Rose, who tells him it's over.
Just before the Titanic sinks some people slide on the wood corridor. A
skate was used to create the effect, and you can see it under them in
some scenes.
When Jack is helping Rose on to the life boat his face is serious,
however in the next scene he seems to be laughing and when it the scene
changes again he is serious.
When Jack and Fabrizio (and Jack and Rose) are at the prow, the entire
forward portion of the deck is deserted. With 2200 passengers, how could
this be? Given the exhilaration of the new voyage (especially the fun
loving third class passengers) wouldn't it be likely that there would be
a big throng of people up there jostling for the best view?
Similarly, when Rose runs to the stern to jump off, Jack is virtually
alone on the deck, lying on a bench. Where were the rest of the
passengers, including his friend Fabrizio?
The whole movie is supposed to be a narration by Old Rose to the
submarine crew. So how could there be scenes and dialog on Titanic that
she could not have known about or been present in?
At the poker game it's clear that the Swedes don't speak English. So how
could Jack have understood how many cards the one who ends up with two
pair wanted to draw (no fingers were held up)? Also, Fabrizio says Jack
had bet everything they own on this last hand. But Jack's portfolio of
pictures and his drawing tools aren't on the table. And when Jack
announces, "Full house, boys!" he slams the cards down in front of him
and doesn't fan them out. The Swedes couldn't have understood him, yet
they don't even look at his cards to verify the hand.
Jack climbs up the outside structure to get to the deck where Rose is
taking the tour of the ship. How did he know she was up there? And why
wouldn't any first-class passenger have seen him climb and raised the
alarm? And after Jack gets Rose out of the tour group, she tells him
"I'm marrying Cal...I love Cal" when less than a day earlier she refused
to answer his question "Do you love the guy or not?" Also, in 1912 I
doubt men would have used the term "guy" to refer to other men.
In the ocean why didn't Jack look around for other debris he could have
commandeered instead of giving up and dying? Maybe the crewman with the
whistle was already dead.
If Rose was smart enough to work out the math on the number of
lifeboats, why didn't she challenge captain Smith when he said there
were icebergs out there but was going to speed up (thereby greatly
increasing the chance of disaster)?
When Jack and Rose overhear the captain and crew talking about the
severity of the damage, everyone is above deck near the bridge. Wouldn't
Andrews and the crew more likely have been running around below decks
continuously evaluating the damage?
When we see the old couple lying on their bed waiting for the ship to
sink, the water rushing in under the bed does not rise.
When Cal said "I've got a better idea" he was going to have Lovejoy put
the Heart of the Ocean in Jack's pocket to frame him. But Cal didn't
know that Jack had borrowed someone's bulky overcoat until the
confrontation scene. And the diamond was heavy enough that Jack would
have felt it if Lovejoy had tried slipping it into a shirt or pants
pocket. (It's surprising that Jack didn't even feel it dropping into the
overcoat pocket.)
In 1912 Sigmund Freud was 56 years old. Rose knew all about his work.
How could Bruce Ismay, a business leader who read the newspapers, not
have heard of him?
I the scene where Jack enters the first class door for the first time in
his tux if you look closely in the glass door you can see a cameraman
behind him.
I noted that when Kate and "the others" are floating about in the
Atlantic, there was nary a wave. Have you ever been on the Atlantic?
There is no such thing as calm waters. The boat floating about
looking for survivors glides about with little if any tilting. This is
simply not possible. They noted during the movie that seeing icebergs
would be difficult because there were no breakers - it takes a pretty
good wave to have a breaker but you don't have waters on the Atlantic
that as calm as a swimming pool.
If Rose is telling the story, how can she know about all the action that
is happening away from her (example: Jack, Fubrizio, Sven, and the other
dude are playing cards. Now how could she know that? [For that specific
example, it could be that Jack related the story to her of how he got on
board, but there are undoubtably other times we see situations where
Rose wasn't present].
When Jack and Rose finally come aboard the top of the ship after she
rescues him they ask the Colonel if there are any boats left and he says
"up that way" The woman on the left, who looks kind of pathetic, is then
later seen on the life boat with Molly Brown. (They show her face right
after Molly says the line "its your men out there") Even though the life
boat with Molly Brown in it was sent out before the scene with the
Colonel, meaning that she must have gone on the life boat, swam back
onto the ship and then back onto the lifeboat.
At the beginning of the film, at the Southampton port in England, a man
holds up his daughter and says "isn't that a big boat" or something like
that in an Eglish accent, yet his daughter replies "it's a ship, daddy"
in an American accent.
In the scene where Titanic is first out and they speed up, Jack and his
bud are looking at the dolphins. In the first shot you see the red line
and the depth markings in white on the black hull of the boat. Then you
see a solid black hull, no red, no markings, a second later, the
markings are back.
In the scene where Jack is drawing Rose, as he is about to start
drawing, the shot cuts back and forth from a close up to a wider shot.
In the close up Jack is holding his charcol pencil, in the wide shot he
is not holding it.
Source http://movie-mistakes.com
M.T. Hunt
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I only made it half way before I lost complete interest.
mth
Molly Brown
>
>I only made it half way before I lost complete interest.
>
me, too!! I was trying to find mistakes in his mistakes!!
"To really communicate with
someone, we have to allow ourselves, just for a moment, to
become that other person."
William Jarrell
>
>
> When Leonardo DiCaprio says "sit on the bed....I mean the couch", it
> says in the script "sit on the couch" - Leo really made that mistake.
>
Which was an effective mistake. It reminds me of that story about
The Manchurian Candidate. Sinatra was a bit tempermental and would only
do one or two takes. There's a scene where his charecter confronts
Lawrence Harvey's charecter about the brainwashing. A scene with Sinatra
holding up the cards was slightly out of focus, but Frankenheimer used
it anyway. Years later he reads some comment on what a genius he was to
show Sinatra out of focus because it showed the delirium of a
brainwashed man.
- William Jarrell
Nickie
because she's "changed her mind". The background looks like it was drawn.
(I'm sure it was, but it doesn't look real at all. Looks SO fake)
Just my .02
Nickie
"greg pittman" <gregory...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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MartyG5723
the story and not to find mistakes in continuity or other errors. I go to the
movies to be entertained, to laugh or to cry, to see a good story, whether
comedy and drama. So occasionally someone goofs. So what?
MartyG
Clare
the movie for me.
Clare
William Jarrell
>
> I don't know about any of the rest of you, but I went to see the movie to see
> the story and not to find mistakes in continuity or other errors. I go to the
> movies to be entertained, to laugh or to cry, to see a good story, whether
> comedy and drama. So occasionally someone goofs. So what?
> MartyG
Even Citizen Kane, Casablanca and Gone with the Wind have goofs. I do
think it's important for films to have an overall continuity to them.
But chances are that you've probably lost interest in the story if
you're getting hung up on a film flub.
- William Jarrell
Marci 0412
>Date: 04/10/2000 3:59 PM Central
I don't know about any of the rest of you, but I went to see the movie to see
>the story and not to find mistakes in continuity or other errors. I go to
>comedy and drama. So occasionally someone goofs. So what?
>MartyG
Amen!!! :) My sentiments exactly! There isnt a *single* movie I have ever
seen without some errors.
Janis
Gross injustice!
www.wm3.org
Andy
more attention to the story, the design, the characters etc. IMDB.com has a
great goofs section.
"Marci 0412" <marc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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William J. Leary Jr.
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> I don't know about any of the rest of you, but I went to see the movie to
see
> the story and not to find mistakes in continuity or other errors. I go to
the
> movies to be entertained, to laugh or to cry, to see a good story, whether
> comedy and drama. So occasionally someone goofs. So what?
To each his or her own enjoyment.
Most of us who are interested in goofs enjoy the movie the same way too. We
also watch for the glitches while we're at it. I have a friend who's
fascinated by sunsets. We watched one over the ocean and she was commenting
on the colors and such, and yes, I enjoyed that too. But she paid no
attention to the surf close up and how beautiful it was too. I watched 'em
both. Who enjoyed it more? Neither of us really, we just looked at the
same event and saw some different things.
- Bill
Richard Bullock
Bit long but I'll try to answer some of the mistakes
greg pittman <gregory...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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-Snip
When the order is given to turn in one direction to avoid the iceberg,
and the wheel is spun in the opposite direction, this is a mistake.
Apparently orders have always been given in terms of the direction the
boat is meant to go, so the sailor DOES turn the wheel in the wrong
>direction.
NO! This has only been the case since the twenties. In 1912, a sailor would
say hard a starboard to make the ship's bow turn to port. It was a throwback
to the days when tillers were used. If you moved the tiller to starboard the
ship would move to starboard but this wasn't rectified until well after
wheels were more common on ships.
-Snip
>During the whole scene where Kate Winslet is floating around in the
freezing water, she realises that even though her man has died, she must
go on. So she proceeds to grab a METAL whistle to alert help. Now if
you've ever stuck your tongue on a cold metal object, you know that it
will stick, so how can we be expected to believe that it doesn't stick
>to hers?
For you to stick to metal objects, the liquid on your tongue must freeze
very quickly. I've heard of this happening in Siberia, Alaska etc. in
temperatures of
-40ºC (-40ºF) but not in temperatures close to 0ºC or -1ºC (32ºF or 30ºF.)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that the movie has it right here
-Snip
>In the beginning, and throughout the movie Titanic, 'The Water-lilies,'
by Claude Monet, is pictured. There are many paintings that Monet did in
his lifetime that included waterliles, but I believe this painting
wasn't completed until the year 1923, in Orangerie, Paris. The painting
was begun in 1916. So then how can a completed rendering be on the ship
>in 1912?
Just remember that Jack, Rose, Cal, Lovejoy et al were NOT REAL. In my
opinion, the director is making a statement on the De Witt Bukater's wealth
rather than showing historic fact.
-Snip
>During the scene where Jack and Rose are enjoying their "flying" with a
beautiful sunset as a background, the ship is going the wrong way! If as
the scene was shot, the sunset was off the port (left) of the ship, it
would have to be steaming north, not west as would be expected of any
>ship heading to New York from Britain.
At these latitudes, the sun should set in April slightly North of West. The
ship would have been travelling almost exactly due West so this is a mistake
in the film.
-Snip
>When Jack is handcuffed below deck you can see the water line on the
porthole. Then we're taken to where Kate's at for her dialogue. Then we
get a cut to the outside of the ship with a water level view. The camera
then dips into the water down to Jack's porthole, clearly under water
now, 5 to 8 feet. Yet in various scenes after this point there appears a
>water line on the porthole, sometimes there and then sometimes not.
I noticed this as well - bad continuity
-Snip
>When trying to steer around the iceberg, they put the propellers in
reverse. If they wanted the bow to turn left, they would have turned
better and faster had they left the propellers in forward to push the
stern to the right to force the bow to the left. [This mistake was
actually made by the crew - the Officer of the deck in charge of the
bridge that night directly contradicted everything that was taught to
shipmasters when in peril of collision. He ordered the turn rather than
just hitting the berg head on, he ordered the engines reversed as well,
which they had been specifically taught would make the ship turn more
poorly than normal. He should have steered straight for the berg and
ordered "All Stop" on the engines. Titanic could have easily survived
for many hours with her bow crushed because only one compartment, the
>bow, would have flooded, as opposed to the six.].
A mistake in real life but accurate for the movie. Why is this here?
(subject line)
-Snip
<In the scene when Jack is to draw Rose's picture she hands him a dime
stating ''As a paying customer...'' The dime is not a Barber dime but a
<current one. [Apparently not - the dime is the correct pattern].
Again perfectly accurate
-Snip
>In the scene where Jack and Fabrizio are watching the dolphins at the
>bow of the ship, the draft markings change from one scene to the next.
I've been told that draft markings can change with speed (up or down).
Remember this is the scene which begins "Take her to sea Mr. Murdoch, Let's
stretch her legs." Then Murdoch orders full steam ahead.
-Snip
>Rose has a supposedly original painting of the Monet waterliles. Except
that the original painting is huge - it's as high as the ceiling and as
>long as a wall.
See earlier comment on pictures
-Snip
If you look real closely at the brass buttons on the captain's jacket,
you can see that they were apparently made in 1922 - ten years after the
ship sank!
-Snip
>Throughout the whole movie, you can see the outline of hills in the
>background, even though the Titanic sank in the middle of the Atlantic.
Where?
-Snip
How in the heck did Jack's CHARCOAL drawing of Rose survive water-logged
all those years? He didn't spray on a sealer.
It was contained within a leather folder which COULD have survived
-Snip
>Rose pays Jack with a dime. You would think that, after being in Europe,
she'd have exchanged all of her money for the proper currency, and not
>exchanged it back to American currency until she landed.
I'm from England. When I travel from France back home I can use both French
Francs and Pounds on the ferry. Why assume that all of her money that she
carried was English?
-Snip
>After the ship has sunk and Rose and Jack are floating in the water, you
may notice that their hair is frozen. How could this happen as salt
>water doesn't freeze?
Salt water does freeze. The water temperature was around freezing on the
night and the air temperature would have been perhaps a few degrees BELOW
freezing. The moisture in the air freezes at 0ºC (32ºF) so could have frozen
in their hair.
>The paintings of Picasso that Rose has are original but they couldn't be
>the originals because the originals are now in a museum (the Louvre?).
See previous comment
>When they send a distress call for help from any near-by ships, they
send a CQD morse-code message in the film. However, in reality the CQD
distress call was replaced by the SOS the same year that the Titanic
went down. The Titanic was actually the first ship to ever use the SOS -
not the CQD used in the film. Also, because the new distress call was
only new, the near-by ship didn't recognise it for
>what it was, and didn't come to help.
At the start of the sinking CQD WAS used. Either Bride or Phillips said
jokingly "should we try the new distress call SOS, it may be our last
chance" or something so they sent SOS for the first time so both calls were
used. The near-by ship (repuditly the Californian) had shut down the
wireless room twenty minutes before Titanic struck the iceberg. They would
have recognised it if they had been listning to the messages.
-Snip
>Cal and Rose are supposedly in cabins B52-54-56, but in reality this was
>the suite occupied by Chairman Bruce Ismay.
Cal and Rose were NOT REAL.
-Snip
>When Titanic is sinking you see several times from a side view the hull
of the ship under water at an angle but the four large funnels appear
>vertical, when you would expect the funnels to be at an angle too.
Weren't the funnels angled back? Once the bow had tipped about 4º forward
then they would appear to be vertical.
-Snip
>When Jack and Fabrizio (and Jack and Rose) are at the prow, the entire
forward portion of the deck is deserted. With 2200 passengers, how could
this be? Given the exhilaration of the new voyage (especially the fun
loving third class passengers) wouldn't it be likely that there would be
a big throng of people up there jostling for the best view?
Similarly, when Rose runs to the stern to jump off, Jack is virtually
alone on the deck, lying on a bench. Where were the rest of the
>passengers, including his friend Fabrizio?
I'm not sure but wasn't the prow only for the crew. I'm not so sure that
Jack, Rose of Fabrizio should have been there. When Jack is lying on the
bench, it is cold and night. Some of the passengers might have been inside
out of the cold. Why assume that everyone has to be on deck at all times?
-Snip
>If Rose was smart enough to work out the math on the number of
lifeboats, why didn't she challenge captain Smith when he said there
were icebergs out there but was going to speed up (thereby greatly
>increasing the chance of disaster)?
Smith said "Oh not to worry, perfectly normal for this time of year". That
must have put her mind at rest. Remember that as Smith was in charge of his
ship and women were a lesser life form in 1912. A woman challenging a ship's
captain would be unheard of.
-Snip
>I noted that when Kate and "the others" are floating about in the
Atlantic, there was nary a wave. Have you ever been on the Atlantic?
There is no such thing as calm waters. The boat floating about
looking for survivors glides about with little if any tilting. This is
simply not possible. They noted during the movie that seeing icebergs
would be difficult because there were no breakers - it takes a pretty
good wave to have a breaker but you don't have waters on the Atlantic
>that as calm as a swimming pool.
This was one of the things that was noted by officers. If you recall in the
film Lightholler (or someone) said "You know I don't think I've ever seen
such a flat calm" and Smith says "Like a mill-pond, not a breath of wind."
If there is no wind then there won't be any waves. It is very rare to have
such conditions but on that night there was. I've heard that it is possible
to have completely calm seas everywhere on Earth except in one place
somewhere where there will be an extremely powerful storm. Difficult to
picture but it does say that completely calm seas do exist.
-Snip
>At the beginning of the film, at the Southampton port in England, a man
holds up his daughter and says "isn't that a big boat" or something like
that in an Eglish accent, yet his daughter replies "it's a ship, daddy"
>in an American accent.
Sounded like English to me (I'm an English person). England has many
accents. You would hardly understand someone from Newcastle the word burn is
pronounced [bouhrne] and would find it difficult to understand a true
Liverpudlian. Somerset and the West Country seems odd - the word fertilizer
is pronounced [furr a loiser] (a 'dropped' t comes after the furr). Some
accents can sound quite like a very mild American accent.
Ric
Molly Brown
stating ''As a paying customer...'' The dime is not a Barber dime but a
<current one. [Apparently not - the dime is the correct pattern].
Again perfectly accurate
I'm so confused!!! is the dime a barber dime or not? who is on the barber
dime?
Boxhead16
ax and hits his arm. if u go in slow u will see it
Gufunkt
room as the boat is sinking and tells them a happily-ever-after story
which we assume means they're giving up hope of escaping and planning to
go down with the boat.>>
How is that a mistake?
<<Also, in the same sequence, an old couple
clutches each others' hands as water wells up next to their bed. Later,
after we've all cried over the death of the woman and 2 kids, they are
in a large scene in the background hopping on a lifeboat.>>
That's not true. They died in their stateroom together. You never saw them
again up on deck getting into a boat.
<< the dolphins are clearly
Pacific white-sides, not any Atlantic species.>>
That's not true either, there's no way for you to tell that.
<<How come everyone dies so suddenly of hypothermia when they get off the
ship and into the ocean, but suffer no apparent ill-effects when the
same ocean water comes into the ship? >>
Outside the air temperature is freezing along with the water. Inside, the ship
is heated. That's the difference.
<<The wreckage in the movie is really the actual Titanic wreck, not any
special effects. >>
Where's the mistake there? The name of this thread is "Mistakes in the movie
Titanic". How is that a mistake?
<<If you look hard, Arnold Schwarzenegger supposedly makes a cameo in a
dance scene.>>
That's a ridiculous rumor started and passed along by morons.
<<When the ship is sinking, where are all the dogs? >>
In the kennel where they were kept, idiot.
<<When the order is given to turn in one direction to avoid the iceberg,
and the wheel is spun in the opposite direction, this is a mistake.>
No, that was not a mistake. When the order is made for the boat to turn to
starboard, the wheel is actually turned left. And vice versa if ordered to turn
to port.
<< so the sailor DOES turn the wheel in the wrong
direction.>>
NO, he did NOT turn in the wrong direction.
<<The
next camera shot shows Rose standing in front of the case with almost
all of its glass intact.>>
No, it doesn't. It shows the broken glass on the floor and in the case.
<<In the scene where Rose is threatening to jump, she has a tattoo on her
left arm.>>
No she does not.
<<If you listen carefully, the sound of the ocean during deck scenes is
the actual sound of the breakers on the beach, not the sound of a ship's
wake.>>
Again, another untrue "mistake".
<<In the scene on deck where Kate is checking out Leo's portfolio, and Leo
is teaching her to spit, for a split second you can see the breakers
rolling in to shore through the ship's railing.>>
No, you do not see that. Yet again, an untrue "mistake".
<<Young Rose has green eyes, but Old Rose has blue eyes.>>
Both young and old Rose have blue eyes.
<<Then in the next shot, when he begins
with, "Which is why I'm not looking forward to jumping in there after
you", he's resting on his left arm.>>
No, he remained leaning on his right arm. No mistake there.
<<In a close up of that, you can
see that a black metal cylinder thing has wrinkles in it and bends when
someone hits it.>>
No you can't see such a thing.
<<When Jack and Rose are running from the raging water that is gushing
down the hall after them you can see the faces of the stunt doubles
through the computer generated ones of Leonardo and Kate.>>
No, you don't see that.
<<In the scene where Rose is looking at Jack on the bow of the ship, you
can see a tiny bit of desert behind him.>>
No you can't see that. It's not there.
<< you can blatantly see cameras and crew outside the
window.>>
At no point in the film, least of all not blatantly, can you see cameras or
crew in the window.
<<In the scene where Jack and Fabrizio are watching the dolphins at the
bow of the ship, the draft markings change from one scene to the next.>>
The draft markings do not change. Check your eyes.
<<In the Southampton scene when the boat is leaving dock, if you look
closely, you can see a distant beach behind the boat. >>
No, you can never see any piece of beach behind the boat.
<<If you look real closely at the brass buttons on the captain's jacket,
you can see that they were apparently made in 1922>>
Another absurd "mistake" that is not true.
<<If Rose would have taken the life boat like she was asked to, Jack would
have had the bit of wood all to himself. Then, he wouldn't have died and
would have later on been able to be with Rose.>>
How do you know Jack would even have found the wood again? Or what if it was
already found by someone else?
<<Throughout the whole movie, you can see the outline of hills in the
background, >>
Never in the film can you see the outline of hills in the background. That's
absurd.
<<one of the scenes included is a shot of Billy Zane punching
Leo in the stomach during the shooting/stair scene>>
There was no such scene ever filmed, let alone included in the Celine Dion
video.
<<When Rose is positioning herself on the couch, Jack says "cool">>
He did NOT say "cool", he said "okay".
<<The Titanic was actually the first ship to ever use the SOS -
not the CQD used in the film. >>
Idiot, Titanic's wireless operators first started using the regularly used CQD
signal for a ship in distress, then Harold Bride suggested they use the new
code SOS. Titanic sent both the CQD AND SOS signals.
<<because the new distress call was
only new, the near-by ship didn't recognise it for
what it was, and didn't come to help.>>
Idiot, the Californian didn't come to help (even though clearly seeing the
distress rockets) because the wireless operator went to bed. The distress
signals were never heard and if they had been listened to, they'd have heard
the CQD first.
<<Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the scene with the dolphins jumping up
in front of the ship the same scene as the one from Under Siege?>>
You're wrong. No it isn't.
<<What everyone seems to forget is that Rose only knew Jack
for a few days - three quarters of a century before. Afterwards, she
went on to spend the vast majority of her years in love with and raising
a family with her beloved husband.>>
Moron, you don't know how long Rose was married to her actual husband and
whether or not that marriage was a sham because she still harbored feelings for
the dead Jack. You have no idea if her husband was "beloved" or not.
<<A
skate was used to create the effect, and you can see it under them in
some scenes.>>
No you can't see it at any time.
<<When Jack is helping Rose on to the life boat his face is serious,
however in the next scene he seems to be laughing and when it the scene
changes again he is serious.>>
No he was not laughing. His facial expression remained unchanged.
<<Where were the rest of the
passengers, including his friend Fabrizio?>>
Most were probably in bed for the evening, and who gives a crap where Fabrizio
was? He wasn't important to the story at all.
<< So how
could Jack have understood how many cards the one who ends up with two
pair wanted to draw (no fingers were held up)? >>
How do you know Jack didn't understand a little Swedish?
<<Also, in 1912 I
doubt men would have used the term "guy" to refer to other men.>>
Now that is completely idiotic. Who said "guy" is a more recent term?
<<In the ocean why didn't Jack look around for other debris he could have
commandeered instead of giving up and dying? >>
Try actually watching that scene sometime and you'll see that he did.
<<When we see the old couple lying on their bed waiting for the ship to
sink, the water rushing in under the bed does not rise.>>
Yes it does.
<<I the scene where Jack enters the first class door for the first time in
his tux if you look closely in the glass door you can see a cameraman
behind him.>>
No you can't see a cameraman.
<<yet his daughter replies "it's a ship, daddy"
in an American accent. >>
No she didn't. It was a British accent.
<< In the first shot you see the red line
and the depth markings in white on the black hull of the boat. Then you
see a solid black hull, no red, no markings, a second later, the
markings are back.>>
Again, not true. The markings remain the same color each time.
Ronnie Clark
>special effects. >>
>
>Where's the mistake there? The name of this thread is "Mistakes in the
movie
>Titanic". How is that a mistake?
However, he is wrong about that. Many of the wreckage shots were faked. Had
to be, too, since they had only two subs, one of which was effectively a
"cameraman", so in at least all the shots with two subs seen, it is merely
optical effects.
><<The
>next camera shot shows Rose standing in front of the case with almost
>all of its glass intact.>>
>
>No, it doesn't. It shows the broken glass on the floor and in the case.
No, he's right. That's annoyed the hell out of me since I first saw the
movie. In the first shot, she smashes the glass, and clears almost all of it
away, then in the next shot as she starts to walk away, most of the glass is
nearly all back in place (though severely cracked).
><<In the scene where Rose is threatening to jump, she has a tattoo on her
>left arm.>>
>
>No she does not.
It's just her dress patterning.
><<If you listen carefully, the sound of the ocean during deck scenes is
>the actual sound of the breakers on the beach, not the sound of a ship's
>wake.>>
>
>Again, another untrue "mistake".
Well, it's likely to be true, since it was shot on the seafront, but it's
hardly a mistake - it just adds genuine ocean wash sound effects to the
movie.
><<In the scene on deck where Kate is checking out Leo's portfolio, and Leo
>is teaching her to spit, for a split second you can see the breakers
>rolling in to shore through the ship's railing.>>
>
>No, you do not see that. Yet again, an untrue "mistake".
Yes you do actually. Another nuisance that annoys me.
><<Young Rose has green eyes, but Old Rose has blue eyes.>>
>
>Both young and old Rose have blue eyes.
I can't believe people still say that young Rose has green eyes!! Just look
at Kate Winslet...... The reason most people who see this as an error is
because they don't realise that the yellowy hues added to the shot before
the "eye" fade in the colour timing in post production slightly tint Kate's
eyes green.... but they don't actually make them green.... Just a less blue
blue (figure out that grammar if you like!)
><<In a close up of that, you can
>see that a black metal cylinder thing has wrinkles in it and bends when
>someone hits it.>>
>
>No you can't see such a thing.
You do! It's rather glaring actually! ATTACK OF THE SPONGY BOLLARDS!!
(oo-err! Sounds a bit camp!)
><<In the scene where Rose is looking at Jack on the bow of the ship, you
>can see a tiny bit of desert behind him.>>
>
>No you can't see that. It's not there.
It is there.... look closely.... it's near the edge of shots.
><< you can blatantly see cameras and crew outside the
>window.>>
>
>At no point in the film, least of all not blatantly, can you see cameras or
>crew in the window.
At several points in the film, however, you see reflections of the crew and
cameras in windows, since the laws of physics cannot, sadly, be broken.
><<In the Southampton scene when the boat is leaving dock, if you look
>closely, you can see a distant beach behind the boat. >>
>
>No, you can never see any piece of beach behind the boat.
This newsgroup has, in the past, suffered my rantings about the Southampton
scene..... Asides from the beach being seen in the distance (at the edge of
the tank), there are numerous technical problems that dog this scenes, and a
few blatant mistakes for which there should be no excuse. I'll go through
them if you really want, but the NG has suffered it before.
><<Throughout the whole movie, you can see the outline of hills in the
>background, >>
>
>Never in the film can you see the outline of hills in the background.
That's
>absurd.
Whilst untrue, it's not absurd, given the location of the shoot.
><<one of the scenes included is a shot of Billy Zane punching
>Leo in the stomach during the shooting/stair scene>>
>
>There was no such scene ever filmed, let alone included in the Celine Dion
>video.
I believe the original poster has mistaken the shot of Lovejoy punching Jack
in the stomach from the subsequently cut fight scene in the dining room
which would have been immediately after the chase down the stairwell. This
is why later on in the movie, Lovejoy is dripping with blood (although the
fact this scene was cut out does not make Lovejoy's blooded face an error -
there's probably a million and one ways you get cut on a sinking ship).
><<When Rose is positioning herself on the couch, Jack says "cool">>
>
>He did NOT say "cool", he said "okay".
Not only that, he CLEARLY says "Okay" - not even slightly like "cool".
><<The Titanic was actually the first ship to ever use the SOS -
>not the CQD used in the film. >>
>
>Idiot, Titanic's wireless operators first started using the regularly used
CQD
>signal for a ship in distress, then Harold Bride suggested they use the new
>code SOS. Titanic sent both the CQD AND SOS signals.
Exactly - and the Titanic wasn't even the first ship to use SOS - it's
merely the first famous ship to use SOS. Harold Bride was even JOKING when
he suggested using SOS: "Try using SOS - it's the new call! Maybe your last
chance to try it!".
><<because the new distress call was
>only new, the near-by ship didn't recognise it for
>what it was, and didn't come to help.>>
>
>Idiot, the Californian didn't come to help (even though clearly seeing the
>distress rockets) because the wireless operator went to bed. The distress
>signals were never heard and if they had been listened to, they'd have
heard
>the CQD first.
I like the scene in 'A Night To Remember' where the guy on the Californian
who is TRYING to learn morse code switches on the receiver and hears the
Titanic's CQD - but doesn't understand it (though that strikes me as odd -
you'd think one of the first things you learn as a sailor learning morse
code would be CQD and SOS - even odder since earlier in the film he said he
picks up the odd word or two - so he clearly knows the letters).
><< So how
>could Jack have understood how many cards the one who ends up with two
>pair wanted to draw (no fingers were held up)? >>
>
>How do you know Jack didn't understand a little Swedish?
Or maybe by seeing how many cards were put down?
><<Also, in 1912 I
>doubt men would have used the term "guy" to refer to other men.>>
>
>Now that is completely idiotic. Who said "guy" is a more recent term?
Indeed, the word "guy" comes from the old common name "Guy" (a recent
analogy would be "John Doe") - a name which has been in use for centuries
(Guy Fawkes, anyone? :-P )
><<When we see the old couple lying on their bed waiting for the ship to
>sink, the water rushing in under the bed does not rise.>>
>
>Yes it does.
And even it doesn't, how is it an error? on a sloping ship, all the incoming
water would then fall to the one end of the room first.
><<I the scene where Jack enters the first class door for the first time in
>his tux if you look closely in the glass door you can see a cameraman
>behind him.>>
>
>No you can't see a cameraman.
You can actually. An effort was made to hide it, but there's no getting
aruond the fact that glass will be glass.
><<yet his daughter replies "it's a ship, daddy"
>in an American accent. >>
>
>No she didn't. It was a British accent.
Boy is it NOT a British accent! At least, it's not a British accent you'd
find anywhere in Britain!
Oh I love discussing movie errors...... Debunking some of the favourites
that detractors bring up over and over, but noting my own. Hardly anyone had
picked on several of the errors I'd pointed out before (eg, the window
arrangement cock ups, the ship being BEHIND Cal when he gets out his car
despite the car FACING the ship, the ship being mirrored in the famous "I'm
the king of the world" pull back shot, etc..... Of course, none are really
important - they just distract me for a second or so).
Ronnie
--
"Then weigh what loss your honour may sustain
If with too credulent ear you list his songs,
Or lose your heart, or your chaste treasure open
To his unmastered importunity."
FabDisBabeATallpointsonline.com
>room as the boat is sinking and tells them a happily-ever-after story
>which we assume means they're giving up hope of escaping and planning to
>go down with the boat.>>
>
No, she puts them to sleep hoping they'll sleep through their inevitable
horrible death.
><<Also, in the same sequence, an old couple
>clutches each others' hands as water wells up next to their bed. Later,
>after we've all cried over the death of the woman and 2 kids, they are
>in a large scene in the background hopping on a lifeboat.>>
No, anyone who isn't braindead knows that's Isador and Ida Strauss, who
voluntarily stayed behind due to their great love for each other.
And, no, that's someone different getting on the lifeboat.
><< the dolphins are clearly
>Pacific white-sides, not any Atlantic species.>>
Try again. Pacific ones are much darker. How do I know? I'm Hawaiian and
grew up with them all around. They're also shaped differently.
><<How come everyone dies so suddenly of hypothermia when they get off the
>ship and into the ocean, but suffer no apparent ill-effects when the
>same ocean water comes into the ship? >>
30 minutes of total immersion is not quickly.
><<The wreckage in the movie is really the actual Titanic wreck, not any
>special effects. >>
The only actual footage of the wreck is in the monitors behind "Old Rose" in
Brock's ship. The rest is a beautifully made model.
><<If you look hard, Arnold Schwarzenegger supposedly makes a cameo in a
>dance scene.>>
>
>That's a ridiculous rumor started and passed along by morons.
Amen.
><<When the ship is sinking, where are all the dogs? >>
>
>In the kennel where they were kept, idiot.
No, actually someone let them out. Like the bulldog?
><<When the order is given to turn in one direction to avoid the iceberg,
>and the wheel is spun in the opposite direction, this is a mistake.>
>
No, that's how ships work. You only have a brainstem, right? You're
hydroencephalic, right? Or a chimpanzee who's been trained to type?
><<In the scene where Rose is threatening to jump, she has a tattoo on her
>left arm.>>
>
It's one of the moon shaped sequins that has come off her dress.
><<If you listen carefully, the sound of the ocean during deck scenes is
>the actual sound of the breakers on the beach, not the sound of a ship's
>wake.>>
No, that's what a wake sounds like when something that huge is breaking through
the waves.
><<In the scene on deck where Kate is checking out Leo's portfolio, and Leo
>is teaching her to spit, for a split second you can see the breakers
>rolling in to shore through the ship's railing.>>
You forgot to mention the spit-no spit on his chin. If you're going to steal
stuff that's been regurgitated here 347,289 times, make it something original
or interesting.
><<Young Rose has green eyes, but Old Rose has blue eyes.>>
See the scene with the drawing and young Rose's eyes become Old Rose's eyes?
Thank you for playing.
><<In a close up of that, you can
>see that a black metal cylinder thing has wrinkles in it and bends when
>someone hits it.>>
THAT one is TRUE. It was made of soft rubber to make it safer for the
stuntpeople. Very good, you got one.
><<When Jack and Rose are running from the raging water that is gushing
>down the hall after them you can see the faces of the stunt doubles
>through the computer generated ones of Leonardo and Kate.>>
No, the faces were completely removed. The process is fascinating. Why don't
you go study it?
><<In the scene where Rose is looking at Jack on the bow of the ship, you
>can see a tiny bit of desert behind him.>>
That one is also true. It's the beach in Rosarita, Mexico.
><< you can blatantly see cameras and crew outside the
>window.>>
No, only at Rose's house can you see the reflection of one sound man.
><<In the scene where Jack and Fabrizio are watching the dolphins at the
>bow of the ship, the draft markings change from one scene to the next.>>
No, I think he's right on this one, it's been in COUNTLESS OTHER TITANIC ERROR
WEBSITES.
><<In the Southampton scene when the boat is leaving dock, if you look
>closely, you can see a distant beach behind the boat. >>
No, only the above-mentioned scene.
><<If you look real closely at the brass buttons on the captain's jacket,
>you can see that they were apparently made in 1922>>
Urban legend. The White Star Buttons are correct. The Cunard White Star ones
started in 22, and Smith's had the stars on them. Check your "facts" better,
please.
><<If Rose would have taken the life boat like she was asked to, Jack would
>have had the bit of wood all to himself. Then, he wouldn't have died and
>would have later on been able to be with Rose.>>
and if pigs could fly, we'd all have ham on Thanksgiving.
><<Throughout the whole movie, you can see the outline of hills in the
>background, >>
No, you can just see the beach in that one spot mentioned above.
><<one of the scenes included is a shot of Billy Zane punching
>Leo in the stomach during the shooting/stair scene>>
Are you sure those are *portobello* mushrooms?
><<The Titanic was actually the first ship to ever use the SOS -
>not the CQD used in the film. >>
>
>Idiot, Titanic's wireless operators first started using the regularly used
>CQD
>signal for a ship in distress, then Harold Bride suggested they use the new
>code SOS.
Jokingly, even.
><<because the new distress call was
>only new, the near-by ship didn't recognise it for
>what it was, and didn't come to help.>>
>
>Idiot, the Californian didn't come to help (even though clearly seeing the
>distress rockets) because the wireless operator went to bed. The distress
>signals were never heard and if they had been listened to, they'd have heard
>the CQD first.
May I add that they saw the rockets, reported it to Captain Lord, and Lord
valiantly went back to sleep.
Ever see a Night To Remember?
><<Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the scene with the dolphins jumping up
>in front of the ship the same scene as the one from Under Siege?>>
Okay, I will. You're wrong.
><<What everyone seems to forget is that Rose only knew Jack
>for a few days - three quarters of a century before. Afterwards, she
>went on to spend the vast majority of her years in love with and raising
>a family with her beloved husband.>>
So? You never forget your first real love, no matter how brief it is. The guy
changed her whole life.
><<Where were the rest of the
>passengers, including his friend Fabrizio?>>
on....the....ship
><<Also, in 1912 I
>doubt men would have used the term "guy" to refer to other men.>>
It started in the UK in the late 1700s.
><<In the ocean why didn't Jack look around for other debris he could have
>commandeered instead of giving up and dying? >>
Cause there wasn't anything nearby?
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away, then in the next shot as she starts to walk away, most of the glass is
nearly all back in place (though severely cracked).>>
No, he and you are wrong. In the next shot you see the cracked glass both in
the case and on the ground.
<<Yes you do actually. Another nuisance that annoys me.>>
No you don't actually. Leo's shown in both instances leaning on the same arm.
<<You do! It's rather glaring actually! ATTACK OF THE SPONGY BOLLARDS!!>>
Nothing's glaring about it. You can't see wrinkles or bends in one of the
bollards. Ridiculous.
<<It is there.... look closely.... it's near the edge of shots.>>
Look even more closely and it's NOT there. You can't see any land behind them.
<<At several points in the film, however, you see reflections of the crew and
cameras in windows>>
At NO points in the film do you see any trace or reflection of the cameras or
crew.
<<Asides from the beach being seen in the distance (at the edge of
the tank)>>
You CAN'T see any trace of the beach in the Southampton scene at all.
<<Whilst untrue, it's not absurd, given the location of the shoot.>>
Yes, it's both absurd and untrue.
<<and the Titanic wasn't even the first ship to use SOS >>
Actually yes it was the first, AND the first famous ship too.
<<You can actually. An effort was made to hide it, but there's no getting
aruond the fact that glass will be glass.>>
You can not see a cameraman.
<<Boy is it NOT a British accent! At least, it's not a British accent you'd
find anywhere in Britain!>>
Oh YES it definitely IS a British accent, exactly the kind you'd find in
Britain.
Gufunkt
Brock's ship. The rest is a beautifully made model.>>
That's not correct at all. Numerous shots in the beginning were of the actual
wreck, not just thes ones shown in the monitors behind Old Rose.
<<><<In the scene where Rose is looking at Jack on the bow of the ship, you
>can see a tiny bit of desert behind him.>>>>
That is NOT true at all. You can't see ANY land behind Jack.
<<No, only at Rose's house can you see the reflection of one sound man.>>
No you can't.
William J. Leary Jr.
> not the CQD used in the film.
Titanic CQD from her first call until about 1:00AM, then switched to SOS.
(1)
First recorded use of SOS was S.S. Arapahoe, August, 1909. (2)
- Bill
------
(1) Finding of the Court, British Inquiry, see
http://www3.mwis.net/~breaktym/BritRep/BritInqRep07wires.htm for details.
(2) "The Telegraph Office" Volume II, Issue 2, "SOS," "CQD" and the History
of Maritime Distress Calls, Copyright © 1997, 1999, Neal McEwen
jeb
But if pigs did fly, anyone who does like it would have a lot more of it
whenever they wanted cause I'd buy a rifle.
Ronnie Clark
Gufunkt wrote in message <20000415204720...@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
><<In the first shot, she smashes the glass, and clears almost all of it
>away, then in the next shot as she starts to walk away, most of the glass
is
>nearly all back in place (though severely cracked).>>
>
in
>the case and on the ground.
I don't debate there is cracked glass in the case and on the ground - but
there is MORE cracked glass in the case in the second shot. Go take a look
at the change between those two shots again.
><<Yes you do actually. Another nuisance that annoys me.>>
>
>No you don't actually. Leo's shown in both instances leaning on the same
arm.
<shrugs> I made no comment about Leo leaning on any whatsoever - merely that
you can see a small portion of land between the railings.
><<You do! It's rather glaring actually! ATTACK OF THE SPONGY BOLLARDS!!>>
>
>Nothing's glaring about it. You can't see wrinkles or bends in one of the
>bollards. Ridiculous.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh-t - I see where you're coming from now....... You know,
you should trying watching a movie called "Titanic" - it was written and
directed by James Cameron, it's rather good at times, rather tacky at
others, but all-round worth the cinema fare. Alternatively, you can buy it
on video.... if you're in a PAL region, you can even skip forward to 2:35:15
(Assuming 0:00:00 to be the first frame of the Fox logo)(and also note, this
time will be different in NTSC regions due to NTSC having a TRUE framerate
reproduction instead of the screwy PAL compression) - It's the shot
IMMEDIATELY BEFORE Jack says "We have to move!", and it's there. It's not
hard to miss, since it fills most of the screen.
><<It is there.... look closely.... it's near the edge of shots.>>
>
>Look even more closely and it's NOT there. You can't see any land behind
them.
So the sea just happens to be uneven and sand coloured? Besides, you have to
be quick to catch, it's not in many shots, and none of them last very long.
Cameron managed to film a supposedly ocean-locked ship at a coast-line
location rather well. A few slip ups amounting to probably no more than 5
seconds on-screen time (and probably not at all in the full-screen version).
don't get me wrong - I think there Titanic is a great film, but to deny that
these few practical errors exist is a case denial, since it is an
inevitability of the shoot. That's why normally I don't even care about
them. It's large stupid, and more importantly, totally avoidable errors that
I find objectionable in the movie. The rest are just brief distractions.
>
><<At several points in the film, however, you see reflections of the crew
and
>cameras in windows>>
>
>At NO points in the film do you see any trace or reflection of the cameras
or
>crew.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiigh-t.... so you're saying miracuously they found glass that
reflects only actors, but not crew and cameras? Go to the scene where Rose
is doing her pottery, and looks up. In the glass of those wooden
doory/panelly things is a reflection of a man with a boom. No arguments, no
denials, it IS there. Now, you can either say he is a member of the
production crew, or if you still remain in a state of denial of any flaws in
the movie, I guess you would have to say that Rose has a guy around the
house who has a boom fetish.
><<Asides from the beach being seen in the distance (at the edge of
>the tank)>>
>
>You CAN'T see any trace of the beach in the Southampton scene at all.
ROFL!!!!! Okay - go look at the shot where Jack and Fabrizzio run up onto
the poop deck - as the camera moves, look between the yellow cabin on stilts
and the ship - and you can see the Mexican coast clear as a bell all the way
to the horizon. However, this is cut off in the full-screen version -
however, a mere shot or two later, the pan-and-scan was a little more to the
left, and while Fabrizzio yells "I WILL NEVER FORGET YOU!", at the far left
of the screen, the same section of coast is visible. In BOTH of these shots,
it is not only clear that the Titanic's exit from berth 44 is blocked by a
load of land being in the way, but also that it is no where near Southampton
at all, since the river Test was broadened to ocean sized scales, and the
New Forest on the opposite bank of the river is WAY over the horizon :)
[additional note - in the digital composite shot of the stern as the Titanic
begins to drift from the berth, the effects people got the layout of
Southampton spot on - though people who no little of Southampton's
arrangement are left saying that it is an ERROR that there are green hills
seemingly in the Titanic's path in the distance. Not so.... as soon as you
leave ocean dock at Southampton, if you don't make a sharp left turn, you
run into the other side of the river, since Southampton is not exactly on
the coast, but facilitated by a large river] If you can see none of this in
either of the two shots, get your eyes tested. I have 20-20 vision, and I
have spent many hours at Southampton ocean dock.
><<Whilst untrue, it's not absurd, given the location of the shoot.>>
>
>Yes, it's both absurd and untrue.
It's not absurd - just untrue. They were shooting at the edge of a range of
hills, however Cameron skillfully directed the movie so that they were at no
point shown in the movie.
><<and the Titanic wasn't even the first ship to use SOS >>
>
>Actually yes it was the first, AND the first famous ship too.
Actually, no, in 1909 the 'Republic' was one of the first recorded uses of
the SOS signal, though reportly there was a whaler which used it as early as
1907 (before it even became the official standard distress signal, which was
1908 - though most operators still stuck to CQD), however, there are no
verifiable sources to this second one.
><<You can actually. An effort was made to hide it, but there's no getting
>aruond the fact that glass will be glass.>>
>
>You can not see a cameraman.
Again, this glass must obviously only reflect actors but not anything
else..... Either that, or Jack happened to be squatting down holding a
camera as he walks into that vestibule (which the guy then opens and says
"Good evning sir!" Although an attempt was made to hide reflections by
darkening the area that the cameraman is walking from, a few highlights
making the outline of a man carrying a camera are visible (though this is
not really a mistake - just an inevitable side effect of attempting such a
shot).
><<Boy is it NOT a British accent! At least, it's not a British accent you'd
>find anywhere in Britain!>>
>
>Oh YES it definitely IS a British accent, exactly the kind you'd find in
>Britain.
<beginning to sound rather too much like Dr. Evil mode> Riiiiiiiiiiiiiigh-t,
well I've lived here in Britain all my life, and I can tell you in no
uncertain terms that that girl is most definitely not British. In fact, to
say she speaks with a British accent just shows absolute ignorance of
British accents on the whole. The girl makes and effort, but fails
miserably, resulting in an accent that maybe sounds British to outsides, but
unmistakably contains the characteristic of turning a single syllable into
two syllables - which is not found in any British accent. (Dee-addy - it's a
shee-yap!)
In fact, this is one of those avoidable errors that nark me more than simple
practical errors (like getting glass to break the same twice, or making an
enclosed tank appear to be continuous ocean) - Cameron could at least have
hired an English girl, or at least a girl who could do a convincing English
accent.
Stuff that REALLY narks me about the movie (that should be past tense -
these days I just get on and enjoy the movie) is this list of errors:
- The near-full scale prop of the Titanic could at least have had someone
look at a picture of the ship whilst it was in design. Most noticable in the
errors in this prop are the enclosed promenade deck windows, which
mysteriously are grouped in collections of 6 or 7 windows at a time, unlike
the real Titanic which had 13 windows, a gap (for the forward expansion
joint), then a further 38 windows. The less of the B-deck windows the
better. For a film maker claiming absolute accuracy, sloppiness such as not
even counting windows on a prop costing millions is just sloppy.
- The railings at the bow (the curvy bit that Rose stands on). This has
sprouted another rail, making four instead of the three the real Titanic
has. Not only does it make those bitts at the bow totally useless, it
creates continuity errors at the beginning of the movie when switching
between the model and real footage (compare the shots of the bow at the VERY
beginning - it clearly has 3 rails. Then, when the fade from present to past
comes, it has gained a fourth rail. Indeed, one shot of the Titanic in the
background behind old Rose shows the real Titanic with three rails, then it
cuts to Brock, then it cuts back to Rose for her "84 years" speech, and then
as the camera moves round to show the ship again, it bears an extra rail).
- In my mind, I don't see why there should have been any errors in the
composite shots of the Titanic at sea, yet the long pull-back shot after
"I'm the King of the world" is wrong, and in more than one way. For a start,
the whole ship is laterally inverted. The easiest way to spot this is that
the gymnasium (between the first and second funnels)has switched sides of
the ship. Also, the aerial is missing. And the shot was clearly done with a
break in the ship, too - vis - the forecastle deck and well deck all have
shadow PERPENDICULAR to the side of the ship - ie, the sun is shining from
the left of the ship. Then, as the bridge rail slides in from the bottom of
the screen, those with a keen eye can spot the digital compositing effect as
this is overlaid ontop of the shot of the fo'csle. Not helping matter, the
shadows on this second part of the ship now point almost totally backwards,
the sun now shining from the port bow.
- The lifeboats. The 14 lifeboats were fine, as were the 2 emergency cutter
boats, but whoever built the collapsible boats for the movie should be shot
(or rather - whoever disguised standard lifeboats as collapsibel boats by
sticking on some canvas should be shot).
- The throttle. When all-ahead full is ordered, in the engine room there is
a shot of a man turning the main control wheel anti-clockwise to open up the
valve. Fair enough, that's how steam valves (and most taps, too) work. Note
also, in the background of this shot, the prop shaft is turning clockwise,
with respect to the bulkhead it enters. When full-astern is ordered, this
control wheel is AGAIN turned anti-clockwise to shut the engines down,
however note that the prop shaft is barely moving (though still slightly
clockwise). After the reverser is engaged, and the propellers are seen to
now be accelerating in reverse, there is then a shot of Chief. Bell
dramatically taking the wheel himself, and turns it CLOCKWISE to power up
the engine. Not only that, but the prop shaft behind him is now turning
quickly still in a clockwise direction (despite the fact that the engines
are now going in the opposite direction). My theory for a long time has been
that these shots were inserted the wrong way round (although that doesn't
QUITE account for prop-shaft discrepancies).
- Southampton..... Okay, picture it, watch the movie again, whatever. When
Cal and Co. pull up in their fleet of cars, the cars are parked all FACING
the ship. No disputing that. It is shown CLEARLY. Rose gets out the car, and
stares at the ship. Lovejoy gets out the another car, lets out the maid, who
stares forward at the ship. Cal then gets out of the first car, and stares
at the ship. Simple, huh? The cars are facing the ship, and everyone gets
out the cars facing forwards, and stares at the ship. Fine. But look
carefully in the background when Cal gets out the car. The Titanic is BEHIND
him. Note the black hull, the gold line, the white bit at the bottom of the
super-structure. Judging by the angle, the car in this shot is PARALLEL to
the ship (this shot is also revealing of production methods - since the very
fore section of the ship prop seen behind Cal has no hull plates, but is
merely on scaffolding. Several other production shots confirm this, and the
reason for this was simply that there was no point in plating all the way
down to the water line for the bow section, since it would spend most the
movie under water). I shall also make brief comment on the spurious
direction of sunlight in this scene - which seens to shine brightly from the
north (something which you only get at dusk and dawn in early July in
England, and not at all at midday in April).
- The missing ship. To save money, the forecastle deck was never built as
part of the large prop. Note how in the live action shots of the large prop
in the Southampton scenes, we only see as far forward as the well deck.
However, to film the scenes involving Jack and Rose (and Fabrizzio!) at the
bow stem, a small section of the fo'csle was built, and placed the correct
distance from the main set as to create the illusion of a full set. The
missing section is revealled briefly in two shots. The first is one of the
"All ahead full" montage, where the railings are seen to stop at a point
hidden by Danny Nucci (sp?). This lasts about a second, and is skillfully
attempted to be hidden by a camera move. Later on, just before the
collision, as Murdoch on the bridge wing turns to face away from the bow,
over his shoulder, WAY out of focus, the missing section is visible as a
series of scaffolds which support the very bow tip. But you have to know
what to look for here, which involves looking at production photos (there's
loads around the net!), and is well-hidden by being out of focus.
- Back to Southampton. When Jack and Fabrizzio board the ship, Moody greets
them. This scene is the wrong way round. That is to say, it was not flopped
when it should have been. In the background, ie, towards the bow, if you
look, you can see the wall sea wall as it reaches a corner, then seemingly
cuts across where the bow of the ship should be. There are buildings in the
background too. Basically, despite the orientation we've learned so far from
the movie, this is now the STERN end of the ship we are seeing. This scene
should have been mirrored like other shots in the Southampton sequence,
however Moody was not wearing one of the mirrored hats - so Cameron had to
make the choice to say "To hell with the background - you'd more likely
notice a hat having mirrored writing".
- Dubious knowledge of the ship interior. I shall ignore the engineering set
being altered slightly to increase drama (and indeed that there are
continuity errors owing to the shooting of REAL engines in a smaller ship
for certain shots). However, I do question the route that Jack and Rose took
to escape form Lovejoy which ends up with them finding the cargo bay. Sadly,
I know the ship inside and back to front (that's always been my Titanic
speciality more than anything else), and it's only by ignoring a few steel
walls, and stretching the imagination, and omitting certain parts of the
route that that sequence could work as shown (and there is in no way a
simple "door" leading from the boiler room to the cargo hold as shown -
we're talking a 120 foot steel enclosed passageway, a flight of stairs and a
watertight bulkhead to get from the boiler rooms to the hold where cars were
kept).
- Last, and probably least, the seamen who come to rescue Rose from being
raped on the poop deck are a bit slow. It would in no way take that long to
get from where they were on the well deck to where Jack and Rose were (at
the tip of the fantail).
There are a few more, but those are the ones I can be bothered to remember
for now. And none of them actually have any bearing on the plot. They're
just brief annoyances to those too anal to have anything else to do (like
me).
Gufunkt
look
at the change between those two shots again.>>
No, there isn't. I've seen the scene enough times to see that.
<<I made no comment about Leo leaning on any whatsoever - merely that
you can see a small portion of land between the railings.>>
You're confused between supposed "mistakes" that I was commenting on. And by
the way, you CAN NOT see a small portion of land between the railings. That's
ridiculous.
<< You know,
you should trying watching a movie called "Titanic" - it was written and
directed by James Cameron,>>
Oh, trying to be cute, huh? You've got quite a long way to go before that
happens. In the meantime, try watching that movie yourself. It's obvious you
don't know what you're talking about, so go see it and then come back here and
discuss it. Isn't that a good idea?
<<It's the shot
IMMEDIATELY BEFORE Jack says "We have to move!", and it's there. It's not
hard to miss, since it fills most of the screen.>>
You DO NOT see the bollard wrinkle up when it's smacked into.
<<So the sea just happens to be uneven and sand coloured?>>
The sea was its usual normal color and there's not even the slightest hint of
land at all.
<<Cameron managed to film a supposedly ocean-locked ship at a coast-line
location rather well. >>
No, he didn't.
<< to deny that
these few practical errors exist is a case denial, since it is an
inevitability of the shoot.>>
Not quite. When trying to come up with errors that aren't even actual errors,
it's a case of struggling too hard to find mistakes within the film. Yes, there
are mistakes like the editing one where Jack is walking to dinner with Rose and
Molly on his arm. But these "errors" such as seeing land in a few scenes,
seeing wrinkles on a bollard, etc....they don't exist because you can't see
them.
<< so you're saying miracuously they found glass that
reflects only actors, but not crew and cameras? >>
I'm saying that they managed to hide themselves well enough so they're not seen
at anytime during the film itself. You can't see them.
<<Go to the scene where Rose
is doing her pottery, and looks up. In the glass of those wooden
doory/panelly things is a reflection of a man with a boom.>>
That "reflection" is NOT there. You CAN NOT see such a thing. You're dreaming
again, pal. Try waking up and facing reality.
<<if you still remain in a state of denial of any flaws in the movie, >>
I've never been in a state of denial as far as flaws in the movie are
concerned, yet you're living in a dreamworld as far as some of these mistakes
you've come up with. You never see land behind the characters at any time, you
never see crew members or cameras either plainly or reflected.
<<Okay - go look at the shot where Jack and Fabrizzio run up onto
the poop deck - as the camera moves, look between the yellow cabin on stilts
and the ship - and you can see the Mexican coast clear as a bell all the way
to the horizon. >>
ROFL!!! Again you're just back in your dreamworld again. You CAN NOT see the
Mexican coast at all.
<<In BOTH of these shots,
it is not only clear that the Titanic's exit from berth 44 is blocked by a
load of land being in the way, >>
Nothing of the sort is clear. You can't see any land at any time blocking the
ship's supposed exit route from the pier.
<<If you can see none of this in
either of the two shots, get your eyes tested. I have 20-20 vision, >>
My eyes are perfectly fine and your conjured up strips of land or other
"mistakes" are simply not there. They're solely figments of your imagination. I
suggest you lay off the booze or other hallucinogens that are obviously
distorting your vision.
<<It's not absurd - just untrue. They were shooting at the edge of a range of
hills, however Cameron skillfully directed the movie so that they were at no
point shown in the movie.>>
It's absurd AND untrue.
<<Actually, no, in 1909 the 'Republic' was one of the first recorded uses of
the SOS signal,>>
Actually, no. The first use of the SOS ever on a ship was with Titanic.
<<Although an attempt was made to hide reflections by
darkening the area that the cameraman is walking from, a few highlights
making the outline of a man carrying a camera are visible >>
Again, please leave your little dreamworld and face reality, would you? You
cannot see an outline of a cameraman in the glass. You don't see one squatting
down trying to avoid detection by the camera or glass reflection either. You're
making this crap up.
<<Riiiiiiiiiiiiiigh-t,
well I've lived here in Britain all my life, and I can tell you in no
uncertain terms that that girl is most definitely not British. >>
You've been making up all the BS "errors' so far, so what's to prevent you from
now living in Britain? LOL - you're a strange, sad, little boy. She talked in a
British accent. To deny that just adds to your ever-displayed ignorance of the
film.
The fact of the matter is: you don't know what you're talking about and refuse
to admit that. It's ok, I know better than you and I'm sure others do too. But
it would be best for you to lay off the drugs and join reality and see that
your so called "visual mistakes" aren't there at all.
cvk
you look carefully and a few times in slow motion with sharp eyes --THE
MISTAKES are ALL there.
Gufunkt
you look carefully and a few times in slow motion with sharp eyes --THE
MISTAKES are ALL there.>
Well I've seen it over 400 times and by looking carefully you can tell the
"mistakes" are NOT there at all.
DrJimmy
For real?
I thought that the tour, the piano, and the visit to the bedroom "oops someone left
the
water running" was the actual ship......Its not?? Interesting...
(first I heard this..)
Just...@webtv.net
bow of the ship, the draft markings change from one scene to the next.
This "mistake" was intentional. The change in the draft markings was
due to the increased speed of the ship. Source: Titanic: The
Illustrated Screenplay"
Andreas
- In the "I'm the king of the world" shot there is a gap between the extreme
forward part of the curved bow railing (at the top) and the rest of the
railing, in the "I'm flying" shot they are connected at the top.
- When Jack and Rose are trying to save the little boy below decks and the
boy's father comes to take him, water drizzles from the ceiling and makes
the father's hat wet. In the next shot the hat is absolutely dry.
This "error nitpicking" is not intended to criticize the movie. In fact, I
greatly enjoyed it. At the time, I was 29 years old and I had never before
been at a movie theater (never since also holds true). It was an
overwhelming experience. I even took the trouble to travel about 60 miles to
watch it in English.
==> Andreas
Joe Sweeney
dscve...@aol.comFABULOUS (FabDisBabeATallpointsonline.com) wrote:
> The only actual footage of the wreck is in the monitors behind "Old
Rose" in
> Brock's ship. The rest is a beautifully made model.
That's not quite right. There's a shot of the fireplace that's real,
and I'm pretty sure a shot of the tip of the bow is real. There may be
more but I can't think of them right now.
--
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"AHHHHHH!!! MY HAND!!! MY HAND!!! MY G-DD-MN HAND!!! AAHHHHH!!!......
......And I never even noticed it.
"Toivakka" <jukka-eva...@pp.inet.fi> wrote in message
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--
Norman Smiley is hardcore.
"Always kick a man when he's down."
--Todd K., January 16, 2000
REALITY:
No matter how good she looks right now, somebody, somewhere
is tired of putting up with her sh-t.
-Unknown, 2000
Joe Sweeney
AAHHHHH!!!......
Isn't that what Luke Skywalker said too?
>No matter how good she looks right now, somebody, somewhere
>is tired of putting up with her sh-t.
Amen, brother.
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Wose
clearly see the wrinkles and how the people BOUNCE off them!!)
Have you ever noticed that on several occasions Jack calls Rose,
Wose!!!
Also Rose was really being selfish having both the life jacket
and the bit of wood. Women have more fat so she should have at
least let Jack go on the wood as she would have lasted longer in
the water!!!
Wose
BOLLARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
William Jarrell
>
>
> Also Rose was really being selfish having both the life jacket
> and the bit of wood. Women have more fat so she should have at
> least let Jack go on the wood as she would have lasted longer in
> the water!!!
>
Yes, but being true to the historical era women were suppose to be
the objects of chivalry. That's why they were first in the
lifeboats.(After spacemen and Flemish merchants.) The Titanic sinking
was considered by some to be a slight setback for the sufferagette
movement.
- William Jarrell
Ronnie Clark
>the objects of chivalry. That's why they were first in the
>lifeboats.(After spacemen and Flemish merchants.)
You forgot the red indians!
Gufunkt
clearly see the wrinkles and how the people BOUNCE off them!!)>>
You can NOT see wrinkles in the bollards. They appear to be as hard as they
should be.
moos...@my-deja.com
Wose <david_john...@virgin.net.invalid> wrote:
> OH MY GOD YOU MUST BE BLIND THEY ARE CLEARLY SPONGY
> BOLLARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the heck are bollards? Around when is it in the movie again? I
want to see these bouncy and spongy bollards the next time I watch it.
Wose
things BUT they are spongy!!! and they do have
wrinckles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gufunkt
wrinckles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>
They may BE spongy in reality, but you can't tell that at all by looking at
them in the movie, neither can you see wrinkles.
Maiden401
but director James
Cameron is clearly visible beyond Fabri and Helga].
I know a woman who was a core extra in the film and I asked her about this,
she confirmed that at no time did James Cameron ever appear in the film. It was
in her words "a very lucky extra" who strongly resembled Mr. Cameron.
This same man can be seen in addition in the Southampton scene getting his
beard combed for lice, I beleive he passes Jack and Fabrizio in the hall when
they are looking for their cabin, and he is at the top of the Grand Staircase
looking down on Jack and Rose as they meet again at the end of the movie.
My best to you
Kim
moos...@my-deja.com
Wose <david_john...@virgin.net.invalid> wrote:
> sorry I don't know the technical boat words for big black metal
> wrinckles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, OK, now I think I know where you mean, at the end during the
vertical ship part(?). They are spongy and bouncy, although I can
understand why! Yikes...
DrJimmy
ship goes down for good.
Next time WATCH the damn movie!
DrJimmy
watch them bounce off....you are a LOSER
Gufunkt wrote:
> <<BUT they are spongy!!! and they do have
> wrinckles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>
>
Ken
Joe Sweeney <jswe...@nemr.net> wrote in message
news:8dhqo8$k2i$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <20000415200325...@ng-ce1.aol.com>,
> dscve...@aol.comFABULOUS (FabDisBabeATallpointsonline.com) wrote:
>
> > The only actual footage of the wreck is in the monitors behind "Old
> Rose" in
> > Brock's ship. The rest is a beautifully made model.
>
> That's not quite right. There's a shot of the fireplace that's real,
> and I'm pretty sure a shot of the tip of the bow is real. There may be
> more but I can't think of them right now.
> --
> Joe Sweeney
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Hello Well u are quite wrong about the model, all the footage of the wreck
in the movie is REAL, if u have seen the making of the movie video u would
know that, and this and only this was the cause of the expencive movie
production.
wich went over 200 million US $.
Ewok the evil one.
Joe Sweeney
think you may be confused about the two men. The man being combed
for lice has a very dark, bushy beard. Cameron has a short, gray
beard. He's hard to see. The camera zips by and he can be seen
standing there holding his lapels. Not a very enthusiastic
dancer either:) I suppose I COULD be wrong about that man being
Cameron, but it's definitely not the man getting his beard
combed.
In article <20000420231401...@ng-ba1.aol.com>,
Gufunkt
the
ship goes down for good.>>
No, you can't. Watch the damn movie.
DrJimmy
I and several others have seen it YOU are a PANZY.
Gufunkt
time, OPEN your eyes.
I and several others have seen it YOU are a PANZY.>>
Now look, you incredibly dense moron, try actually watching the movie, with
both eyes open. Nobody has seen the "wrinkles in the bollard" because there
aren't any. Don't blame me for your own utter stupidity. You were born that
way, you'll live your whole trailer trash life that way, and you'll die that
way. And, learn how to spell.
Wose
WATCH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wose
ship that they pulled up out of the ocean???!!! er I don't think
so!!!!!! Not ALL of the shots underwater are of the REAL Titanic
only some of them .... the ones with all the bits of silt
floating around are the real ones , if you watch it properly next
time you will clearly be able to see the differnce!!!!!
Gufunkt
WATCH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ronnie Clark
>WATCH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was just wondering... but... how come everyone else sees them and you
can't? And more to the point where can I get a version of the film that you
have that is mercifully bereft of the faults that everyone else's copy has?
Just wondering.....
Of course the strange little singing potato is typing for me, that's why he
insisted I put in the advertising slogan for Potato Inc.
"Ted's Taters Taste so Tasty that Ted the Taterman Tatered his Teds!"
Ronnie (on behalf of Ted's Taters)
Ronnie Clark
Also wondering....... But what is with Freeserve tonight?! It's 1:11 am
(both by my computer clock and the BT talking clock), but Freeserve just
listed my last post as being made at 1:44 am..... how stwange......
Ronnie
Ronnie Clark
>(both by my computer clock and the BT talking clock), but Freeserve just
>listed my last post as being made at 1:44 am..... how stwange......
If I'm not careful I'll end up talking to myself.
Molly Brown
>
ummmmmmmmmm aren't you?? heehee
"To really communicate with
someone, we have to allow ourselves, just for a moment, to
become that other person."
Gufunkt
can't? And more to the point where can I get a version of the film that you
have that is mercifully bereft of the faults that everyone else's copy has?>>
That's because everyone else is wrong, and they think they see something that
really isn't there. The only copies out there are the ones without these
"faults" that some claim are there, so go take your pick, but ignore the morons
in here who claim to see things that aren't there.
Wose
bollard version of the film....... maybe everyone else is
watching it through wose coloured glasses!!!!!
Wose
DrJimmy
moos...@my-deja.com
Wose <david_john...@virgin.net.invalid> wrote:
> God I so agree with you i would love to see the non-spongy
> bollard version of the film....... maybe everyone else is
> watching it through wose coloured glasses!!!!!
For heaven's sake, does it matter? Of all the mistakes that I've read,
this has to be the most trivial. Not to mention a minor problem: how
the heck do you drop stunt people on to real iron bollards?
DrJimmy
AND SEE WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT! ITS THERE AND
ITS ON YOUR COPY YOU UGLY SMELLY LITTLE PIECE OF
SHIT LOSER! THE HBO TAPE AND YOUR TAPE HAVE IT, YOU
HAVE N O CLUE WHERE TO LOOK AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU LITTLE WHEELCHAIR BOUND IGNORANT
SHIT!
Ronnie Clark
>AND SEE WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT! ITS THERE AND
>ITS ON YOUR COPY YOU UGLY SMELLY LITTLE PIECE OF
>SHIT LOSER! THE HBO TAPE AND YOUR TAPE HAVE IT, YOU
>HAVE N O CLUE WHERE TO LOOK AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT
>WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU LITTLE WHEELCHAIR BOUND IGNORANT
>SHIT!
Now take a deep breath...... It's only a marmalade sandwich!
RoseKira
>the heck do you drop stunt people on to real iron bollards?
(Heavy sarcasm) You give the families special Premiere passes reading ::My
loved one died for the sake of accuracy! Long live the power of the fans!::
On a better note...guys,some of these "mistakes" are necessary. You can't
sacrifice crew and cast safety for the sake of perfection.
Kimberly Dickson
life and stop criticizing every little thing about the movie. Who cares?
It's a great movie that a lot of people enjoy, so just leave it at that.
Kim
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New Kids on the Block and Titanic rules forever and ever!!! :-)
theresa...@gmail.com
The first time the 'SOS' signal was used in an emergency was on 10 June 1909, when the Cunard liner SS Slavonia was wrecked off the Azores. Two steamers received her signals and went to the rescue.
This was nearly three years before the Titanic made her famous signal!
Fact from: The Shell Book of Firsts. By Patrick Robertson. Elbury Press & Michael Joseph Ltd. London.
This article first appeared in the British Titanic Societys Atlantic Daily Bulletin in Fall 1988, it seems that this myth is going to go on forever!
