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Tayan

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Jan 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/14/98
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Greetings and salutations, fellow Titanic fans!

I apologise if this is old news but if you're looking for a picture of
Jack's drawing of Rose, here it is. The one I found actually had the
drawing (at an angle) on top of another on a table. So I righted it,
cropped it, and here it is.

http://www.singnet.com.sg/~liviafyk/drawrose.html

Be safe,
Tayan

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Chris Apgar

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Jan 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/14/98
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Got Bunny? (glitte...@fucker.com) wrote:
> I was surprised to learn that Cameron himself drew this
> beautiful picture, working from photos of Kate clothed.
> That's impressive!

He worked from clothed photos of her? Why didn't he just draw it when he
shot the scene, with Kate really there, posed and nude?

Ramtazz

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Jan 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/15/98
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On 14 Jan 1998 19:32:49 GMT, cap...@prince.carleton.ca (Chris Apgar)
wrote:

He spliced in the scene after he sketched it from the initial monitor
( rough shots and freezed it on playback)

Bill

Eric Pope

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Jan 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/19/98
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In article <glitter.star-1...@ip34.seattle4.wa.pub-ip.psi.net>, glitte...@fucker.com (Got Bunny?) wrote:
>I was surprised to learn that Cameron himself drew this
>beautiful picture, working from photos of Kate clothed.
>That's impressive!
>

ditto. i also was surprised to find out that according to jc,
the sketching scene was the first scene they shot. when
leo says "get on the bed...couch", that was a goof on his
part, but it was left in.

- e.p.

Randy MacDonald

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Jan 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/20/98
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In article <6a0eum$ntq$3...@winter.news.erols.com>, !eric...@hotmail.com (Eric Pope) wrote:
>ditto. i also was surprised to find out that according to jc,
>the sketching scene was the first scene they shot. when
>leo says "get on the bed...couch", that was a goof on his
>part, but it was left in.

Cool. I _thought_ that line was too spontaneous to have been scripted. One
could see the beginnings of real as opposed to acted embarassment on Leo's
face. Perhaps Kate had pranked Leo with some sort of message on her belly...

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tmp...@hotmail.com

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Jan 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/20/98
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what is your source for the "bed...couch" item.

thanks

William Schawo

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Jan 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/20/98
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tmp...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> what is your source for the "bed...couch" item.
>
> thanks

I heard it from James Cameron in an interview on "Late Late Show"

-bill

Gretchen Ide

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Jan 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/20/98
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It might be supposed to be a charcoal drawing, but he uses conte crayon to draw it...


John

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Jan 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/21/98
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Gretchen Ide wrote:
>
> It might be supposed to be a charcoal drawing, but he uses conte crayon to draw it...


Yeah, and how the hell does it not wash off after so many years
under water? I use conte regularly, and that stuff flies off the paper
if you even breathe on it. IMO, Bill Paxton should have just found a
blank piece of paper (but then the whole movie would never have
happened).

John

Linda K.

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Jan 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/21/98
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William Schawo <ba...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<6a2sid$r...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...

He told the same story on The Tonight Show.

Mr. Majestyk

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Jan 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/22/98
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According to an article in this week's Entertainment Weekly, the drawing
was preserved because it was kept inside Jack's leatherbound portfolio.
Sez the Titanic historian: "Anything inside leather is fine....They've
brought up suitcases and found newspapers inside intact. Whatever acid
they use in tanning leather was so acidic, these little organisms that eat
everything wouldn't touch it. That's why they find pairs of shoes where
bodies landed."

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Mr. Majestyk

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Jan 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/22/98
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In article <34C7CC...@spectranet.ca>, John <jo...@spectranet.ca> wrote:

>Mr. Majestyk wrote:
>> According to an article in this week's Entertainment Weekly, the drawing
>> was preserved because it was kept inside Jack's leatherbound portfolio.
>> Sez the Titanic historian: "Anything inside leather is fine....They've
>> brought up suitcases and found newspapers inside intact. Whatever acid
>> they use in tanning leather was so acidic, these little organisms that eat
>> everything wouldn't touch it. That's why they find pairs of shoes where
>> bodies landed."

> Okay, that makes sense. But, when they were cleaning all the crap
>off the picture, the conte should have come off with it.

Okay, I give up! As one whose idea of art supplies is a box of Crayolas
and a Magic Marker, I am dying to know what "conte crayon" is! Please
fill me in!

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Mr. Majestyk

Jay Barron

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Jan 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/23/98
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In article <34C7CC...@spectranet.ca>, John <jo...@spectranet.ca> wrote:

> Mr. Majestyk wrote:

> > According to an article in this week's Entertainment Weekly, the drawing
> > was preserved because it was kept inside Jack's leatherbound portfolio.
> > Sez the Titanic historian: "Anything inside leather is fine....They've
> > brought up suitcases and found newspapers inside intact. Whatever acid
> > they use in tanning leather was so acidic, these little organisms that eat
> > everything wouldn't touch it. That's why they find pairs of shoes where
> > bodies landed."
> >

> > ________________________________
> > Mr. Majestyk


>
>
> Okay, that makes sense. But, when they were cleaning all the crap
> off the picture, the conte should have come off with it.

They wouldn't try to clean something as prescious as a drawing by hosing
it down with a spray... it would be done very carefully. As it says in
the script, "Until they can figure out the best way to preserve it, they
have to keep it immersed."

I've been an artist for over 20 years, and have used conte' an awful lot.
Conte' isn't anywhere near as fragile as you're giving it credit for. I
have never had a drawing almost 'blow' off the paper. I mean, think about
it for a second... Leonardo da Vinci used Conte' Crayons! If they were
THAT fragile, there should be no trace of any of his stuff in existance...
and his stuff has been around a LOT longer than 90 years. The kind of
paper being used makes a difference as well. Smooth paper doesn't hold
the Conte' well. Somewhat rougher paper (more tooth) holds the Conte'
much better. Jack was an artist, around the turn of the century. MOST
paper was rather toothy at that time period, but Jack would have used the
best paper he could buy. It is not uncommon at all for a "starving"
artist to still use the best materials.

Just getting the paper WET would help preserve it. The wet paper would
absorb much of the color into it. In fact, wetting the back of a drawing
was a standard method of helping protect and preserve it for centuries.

For those of you who don't know, a conte' crayon is much like a small,
dence piece of black (and other colored) chalk. It most closely resembles
a very hard pastel stick. They have been around for hundreds (literally!)
of years, made by the same company in Paris.

L.P.

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Jan 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/24/98
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Ah. This explains my only (previous) gripe with the wreck scenes... the
leather boot. Again, proving that Cameron was as true to fact as anyone
could be. ...and I'm soooo glad he was. I'm tired of thinking "That can't
happen!"... and then explaining it away with " But it's just a movie". I
wish all directors would let realism create it's own impact... and not
depend so heavily on concocted events.
Thanks for the insight.
...I'm actually considering getting a conte crayon... and seeing if washes
off with water :)
L.P.

Mr. Majestyk wrote in message ...


>In article <34C65B...@spectranet.ca>, John <jo...@spectranet.ca> wrote:

>-----snip-----

L.P.

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Jan 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/27/98
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Babe? BABE?
Ok then!
Thanks, snookems!
L.P.

Kerri Demers wrote in message <34CEAAE3...@lynx.dac.neu.edu>...
>Here's the sketch for ya babe:
>
---snip---

SierraMist

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Jan 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/29/98
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Ok...I did it...an experiment....

Being an Art Major, I happened to have some conte lying around...so I tried it.
Drew on some regular drawing paper....then later submersed it in my bathtub
for a day or so. Took it out carefully, let it dry....NO change, other than a
tiny bit of feathering. Chalk (no pun intended...ha ha) another one up for
Cameron!

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