The changing face of Rose
JO
part she plays in TITANIC? When I first saw her in January I couldn't
beleive it was the same person - she is totally different. Does anyone know
if she wore a wig for TITANIC or was it her own hair - this is something
that has bugged me for ages!
Also would anyone agree with me that Rose looks so different at the very end
of the film where she is reunited with Jack, than in the rest of the film -
this looks so much unlike Rose in the rest of the film - I don't like the
look on her face as much as in the rest of the film. This may sound
completely mad but has anyone else noticed this?
Jo
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>Has anyone noticed how very different Kate Winslet looks in real life to
the
>part she plays in TITANIC? When I first saw her in January I couldn't
>beleive it was the same person - she is totally different. Does anyone
I think it's called makeup.
Les250
makes her hair look even more gorgous.!
<><> Does anyone know
if she wore a wig for TITANIC or was it her own hair - this is something
that has bugged me for ages!
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>Has anyone noticed how very different Kate Winslet looks in real life to the
>part she plays in TITANIC? When I first saw her in January I couldn't
>if she wore a wig for TITANIC or was it her own hair - this is something
>that has bugged me for ages!
For "Titanic" Kate had her naturally blond hair dyed Red. Then she had
extensions put in for the "Flying" scene and any other scene where her hair was
down without being wet. When her hair is wet, you only see her hair. Same as
when it is up. If you look closely, you can tell her hair is thinner during
her swimming scenes...
>Also would anyone agree with me that Rose looks so different at the very end
>of the film where she is reunited with Jack, than in the rest of the film -
>this looks so much unlike Rose in the rest of the film - I don't like the
>look on her face as much as in the rest of the film.
Well, in this scene she is supposed to be "angel" like. So, different make up
was used. Also, the movie took 9 months to film, of course there are going to
be some minor differences. Kate's accent changes ever so slightly throught the
movie ETC. You have to expect those kinds of changes. Also, if it were "that
time of the month" her face would appear fuller during those scenes due to
bloating ETC...
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>part she plays in TITANIC? When I first saw her in January I couldn't
>beleive it was the same person - she is totally different.
<g> So you haven't seen any of the other films she's made?
>Does anyone know if she wore a wig for TITANIC or was it her own hair
>this is something that has bugged me for ages!
IIRC it was a dye job...
>Also would anyone agree with me that Rose looks so different at the very
end
>of the film where she is reunited with Jack, This may sound
>completely mad but has anyone else noticed this?
Her look changes subtly but noticeably throughout the film. This must be a
deliberate move as even if you know the order in which individual scenes in
the film were shot (nowhere near the way they play), you can't see any sort
of logical progression.
Actually, bearing in mind that the 'drawing' scene was basically the first
time Cameron photographed Winslet, and the kiss at the end of the 'flying'
sequence was the final main unit shot, and that those two were separated by
over six months, it's amazing how good the makeup, hair and continuity was.
I read a review of the film once that described her look/makeup/general
appearance as becoming 'ravaged by the experience' (or something like that)
as the film progressed. Seems to describe it pretty well...
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is it just me or does rose look like a completely different woman when
she says "ive changed my mind" just before the flying scene? i dont
think it looks like her whatsoever (of course it is, she just looks
different in that scene i think) anyone else noticed the same?
frankie says relax! dont do it,
blue
Chewbeanie
>she says "ive changed my mind" just before the flying scene?
I have noticed that too, her hair seems to be longer, and fuller. Her whole
face seems different. I am surious as to where this scene hit in on the
timeline. I would guess that it was maybe towards the beginning... Kate even
says herself how much the filing took a toll on her. Read her online
diary...It is quite good (you can find it on my site!)
Jo Gill
<j...@neil26.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>Has anyone noticed how very different Kate Winslet looks in real life to the
>part she plays in TITANIC? When I first saw her in January I couldn't
>if she wore a wig for TITANIC or was it her own hair - this is something
>that has bugged me for ages!
>this looks so much unlike Rose in the rest of the film - I don't like the
>completely mad but has anyone else noticed this?
>
>
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I haven't seen this mentioned before but it MUST have done. Has anyone
noticed towards the end of the film in the scene just after jack has
picked up the kid and then the dad grabbed him back and they both get
killed as the water is surging up, and jack and rose take a different
passage and are running towards the camera, how scary do their faces
look? I only noticed this second time I watched it. IT must be that they
had stunt people running away from the water and they added the faces of
jack and rose later because they really don't match. Otherwise their
faces look bloody scary.
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>>part she plays in TITANIC? When I first saw her in January I couldn't
>>beleive it was the same person - she is totally different.
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>end
>>completely mad but has anyone else noticed this?
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>deliberate move as even if you know the order in which individual scenes in
>the film were shot (nowhere near the way they play), you can't see any sort
>of logical progression.
>
>Actually, bearing in mind that the 'drawing' scene was basically the first
>time Cameron photographed Winslet, and the kiss at the end of the 'flying'
>sequence was the final main unit shot, and that those two were separated by
>over six months, it's amazing how good the makeup, hair and continuity was.
>
>I read a review of the film once that described her look/makeup/general
>appearance as becoming 'ravaged by the experience' (or something like that)
>as the film progressed. Seems to describe it pretty well...
>
>
beginning of the film she's wearing a hell of a lot of make-up and then
by the end after the car scene she's wearing none, and obviously water
proof make-up hadn't been invented then so she becomes more emancipated
from that lifestyle, if we can take it that far.
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Jo Gill wrote:
> In article <7184d4$e20$1...@newsreader1.core.theplanet.net>, JO
> <j...@neil26.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> >Has anyone noticed how very different Kate Winslet looks in real life to the
> >part she plays in TITANIC? When I first saw her in January I couldn't
> >beleive it was the same person - she is totally different. Does anyone know
> >if she wore a wig for TITANIC or was it her own hair - this is something
> >that has bugged me for ages!
> >Also would anyone agree with me that Rose looks so different at the very end
> >of the film where she is reunited with Jack, than in the rest of the film -
> >this looks so much unlike Rose in the rest of the film - I don't like the
> >look on her face as much as in the rest of the film. This may sound
> >completely mad but has anyone else noticed this?
1derwho?
that corridor? Only their faces? My God I gotta go have a look see at
that again.
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Kotwicki
read that type of effect usually does'nt work too well as the characters
get closer to the camera, but in Titanic it worked out the other way round,
they actually look better as they get closer to the camera, well.. Jack at
least, Rose is pretty scary!
StAr4484
is a jerk Kate rules, and your scared of strong women!
Jessica Jones
me. Im glad I am not the only one who saw that.
Jo Gill
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>Yep, its just their faces computer imposed on the stunt people, From what I
>read that type of effect usually does'nt work too well as the characters
>get closer to the camera, but in Titanic it worked out the other way round,
>they actually look better as they get closer to the camera, well.. Jack at
>least, Rose is pretty scary!
it annoys me every time I see it. ALL my friends noticed first time
which is pretty bad. In The Crow they did it bloody brilliantly. In the
scene where Brandon Lee comes back from the dead and begins to put on
his make-up, well that isn't brandon lee, it's a stand in since he
unfortunately died. He was an excellent actor. Nothing to do with
titanic but I thought I'd pay tribute to him. But you must admit it's
pretty poor in titanic, rose's face is moving all about the screen and
jack's face is far too thin. Rose also has no forehead. I understand
that they were running but I think they should have left out that scene
if they knew it looked mediocre.
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>1derwho? wrote:
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>> Are you telling me that that was not Kate and Leo's bodies running down
>> that corridor? Only their faces? My God I gotta go have a look see at
>> that again.
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Jo Gill wrote in message <8Y8NWDAPi2P2Ew$9...@gillfamily.demon.co.uk>...
>They did a pretty poor job of it in Titanic, I could really tell and now
>it annoys me every time I see it. ALL my friends noticed first time
>pretty poor in titanic, rose's face is moving all about the screen and
>jack's face is far too thin. Rose also has no forehead. I understand
>that they were running but I think they should have left out that scene
>if they knew it looked mediocre.
The main problem with the shot was that the stuntwoman doing Rose's bit was
a fair bit chubbier with a rounder face and heavier jaw and neckline. This
caused big problems correctly mapping Kate Winslet's face onto the running
body. Jack's replacement by contrast doesn't look so hokey.
I'd agree with you that it's the most 'obvious' VFX shot in the whole film
though...
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JO
an interview with the lady who plays Rose's Double for quite alot of the
action scenes. She is a fair bit chubbier than Kate and in real life has
short blond hair and is a bit older than Kate, she also has a family -
basically an everyday person - but what a job - and think of all the famous
people she got to meet!! The picture in the article is of Rose and "stunt
woman" side by side and they look quite different - even with the same
hairstyles!
Jo
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blue
> scene where Brandon Lee comes back from the dead and begins to put on
> his make-up, well that isn't brandon lee, it's a stand in since he
> unfortunately died. He was an excellent actor. Nothing to do with
> titanic but I thought I'd pay tribute to him.
i know this isnt titanic related whatsoever but i completely agree with
you. and its rare that i find someone that shares the same perspective
with me on this. brandon lee is one of the best actors and people the
world will ever have, its a shame that he had to go so early when he had
his whole life infront of him. too bad city of angels was a complete
disgrace to the beautifully written "the crow" and brandon's hard work
on the character that i think he defined.. i thought the 2nd movie did a
terrible job of protraying someone's feelings in the same situation, it
was just one long music video promoting the terrible soundtrack, when
the first was a beautiful and emotional dark love story that titanic
will always remain 2nd to for me.
just to make this post somewhat relevant to titanic to avoid flames...
does rose really die at the end??????
Ümy rambling and irrelevant post of the dayÜ
blue
Jo Gill
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>Jo Gill wrote in message <8Y8NWDAPi2P2Ew$9...@gillfamily.demon.co.uk>...
>>They did a pretty poor job of it in Titanic, I could really tell and now
>>it annoys me every time I see it. ALL my friends noticed first time
>>which is pretty bad. But you must admit it's
>>pretty poor in titanic, rose's face is moving all about the screen and
>>jack's face is far too thin. Rose also has no forehead. I understand
>>that they were running but I think they should have left out that scene
>>if they knew it looked mediocre.
>
>
>The main problem with the shot was that the stuntwoman doing Rose's bit was
>a fair bit chubbier with a rounder face and heavier jaw and neckline.
than Kate (I'm not saying kate is fat, she is perfect how she is), and
that's why the face didn't map on.
>This
>caused big problems correctly mapping Kate Winslet's face onto the running
>body. Jack's replacement by contrast doesn't look so hokey.
>
>I'd agree with you that it's the most 'obvious' VFX shot in the whole film
>though...
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>I saw a whole article on Kate's stunt woman and she was fair but thinner
>than Kate (I'm not saying kate is fat, she is perfect how she is), and
>that's why the face didn't map on.
Really? I've got an uncomposited version of that shot hanging around on
video somewhere, plus some comparison still photos of the scene and the
stuntwoman there is *definitely* rounder of face and neck than KW. Did the
stuntwoman in the interview definitely say she did the corridor sequence?
Kynvelyn
<ri...@dial.pipex.nospam> wrote:
>Jo Gill wrote in message ...
>
>>I saw a whole article on Kate's stunt woman and she was fair but thinner
>>than Kate (I'm not saying kate is fat, she is perfect how she is), and
>>that's why the face didn't map on.
>
>
>Really? I've got an uncomposited version of that shot hanging around on
>video somewhere, plus some comparison still photos of the scene and the
>stuntwoman there is *definitely* rounder of face and neck than KW. Did the
>stuntwoman in the interview definitely say she did the corridor sequence?
>
>
Rounder face, , , ahhhh. That would explain why the scene of Rose and Jack
in the hallway with the wall of water coming at them does not look like
Kate. The scene just after finding the little boy in the hall.
Richard Hopkins
Kynvelyn wrote in message ...
>Rounder face, , , ahhhh. That would explain why the scene of Rose and Jack
>in the hallway with the wall of water coming at them does not look like
>Kate. The scene just after finding the little boy in the hall.
That's exactly the scene we were talking about. On the assumption that you
missed the earlier part of the thread (and previous discussion of this
scene), Winslet and DiCaprio ran down the corridor *without* the water, two
stunt doubles ran down *with* the water, with the actors faces being
composited onto the stunt bodies later. Because of the difference in build
between KW and the stuntwoman, Rose's face looks somewhat 'flattened' and
rounded out.
BTW - UK based completists, there was a TV interview with Sarah Franzl, the
stuntwoman concerned, on Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang on Channel 4 earlier on.
Nothing of real import to Titanic, but if you want to see the real face of
the woman who did that corridor stunt (and quite a bit of Rose's other
stuff), it might be worth taping the repeat on Thursday. FWIW she definitely
has a 'rounder' face than Kate Winslet.
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> That's exactly the scene we were talking about. On the assumption that you
> missed the earlier part of the thread (and previous discussion of this
> scene), Winslet and DiCaprio ran down the corridor *without* the water, two
> stunt doubles ran down *with* the water, with the actors faces being
> composited onto the stunt bodies later. Because of the difference in build
> between KW and the stuntwoman, Rose's face looks somewhat 'flattened' and
> rounded out.
Here's a picture of Kate and her stunt double(the one with the round face).
http://www.kwfc.com/images/kateandstuntdouble.jpg
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in it. real actors do their own stunts.
Tom Pappas
>im just not sure why you nneded a stunt double to run down a corridor with
water
>in it. real actors do their own stunts.
Okay: you have $150,000,000 (so far) of OPM invested in an epic movie. Your
female lead misjudges the amount of, or the force of, or the direction of,
the water in the corridor, and breaks her leg. The shooting schedule is set
back ten weeks.
What do you tell the producers? Something about real actors?
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Mr Bean wrote in message <364CA12A...@earthlink.net>...
>im just not sure why you nneded a stunt double to run down a corridor with
water
>in it. real actors do their own stunts.
*Some* stunts yes, rarely do actors do everything in their movies. Whether
they want to or not, Producers and insurance bonds make sure the entire film
is not put in jeopardy because the star is injured in the course of a gag
that could be carried out by a professional stunt double.
DiCaprio and Winslet (in particular) did do a fair bit of their own stunt
work. However, in the case of the corridor scene, there was 120,000 gallons
of water rushing uncontrolled up the set. Don't forget that unlike most
stunt scenarios, that water wouldn't stop as soon as Cameron yelled 'Cut!'.
It's most unlikely that the possibility of the stars doing the scene was
ever mentioned, and even if it was, I can entirely understand the studio
saying 'no'.
Richard Hopkins
Mr Bean wrote in message <364CFFE6...@earthlink.net>...
>you say oops.... I still think real actors do their own stunts (or most of
>them)
Largely incorrect. Actors who do *most* of their own stunts are
comparatively rare, and getting rarer as time goes on...
Or are you implying that only the actors who do their own gags are *real*
actors?
If so, the only 'real' actors you'll find are those who have never had to
play action based roles...
Mr Bean
harrison ford, kathlen turner etc etc.
Pete
Jackie Chan, I would say he's more of a light comedian (and amazing
martial artist) than an "actor". I'm sorry, but I tend to agree with the
folks who think using Kate and Leo in that scene would have been
incredibly risky. That was a whole lotta water, and Harrison Ford in his
prime might've had second thoughts about that stunt.
Andreas Lindahl
has nothing to do wether you are a "real", or big (as I suppose that is what you
mean) actor or not. It's a question about risks. And some, big , actors do their
own stunts, because they have that power - they can do whatever they want to.
/Andy
Mr Bean wrote:
> you say oops.... I still think real actors do their own stunts (or most of
> them)
>
> Tom Pappas wrote:
>
> > Mr Bean wrote in message <364CA12A...@earthlink.net>...
> > >im just not sure why you nneded a stunt double to run down a corridor with
> > water
> > >in it. real actors do their own stunts.
> >
> > Okay: you have $150,000,000 (so far) of OPM invested in an epic movie. Your
> > female lead misjudges the amount of, or the force of, or the direction of,
> > the water in the corridor, and breaks her leg. The shooting schedule is set
> > back ten weeks.
> >
> > What do you tell the producers? Something about real actors?
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Mr Bean wrote in message <364F06CA...@earthlink.net>...
>um yes i am implying only real actors do their own stunts. jackie chan,
>harrison ford, kathlen turner etc etc.
Harrison Ford has never done *all* his own stunts, and neither has Kathleen
Turner.
As has been pointed out elsewhere, Jackie Chan could not fairly be referred
to as an 'actor' - he's a one-trick pony.
Looks like there aren't any 'real' actors around according to your
definition. Maybe you should revise it a little?
Chewbeanie
Jackie Chan is the ONLY actor that does ALL of his own stunts, he has it in
his contract. That is IT.
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place, we didn't NEED to see it. We could have just seen their faces
after they had been pushed up against the gate all wet. The shot looked
crap and badly done. They really should have left it out, just showing
the water thrashing down the corridor to show its force would ahve been
good and then their faces after experiencing it. But, nothing is ever
100% perfect.
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Jo Gill wrote in message <$5WLsJA8...@gillfamily.demon.co.uk>...
>I reckon they should have just left that shot out it really looks out of
>place, we didn't NEED to see it. We could have just seen their faces
>after they had been pushed up against the gate all wet. The shot looked
>crap and badly done. They really should have left it out,
It was a very close call. The shot is probably 95% perfect - just enough of
a mismatch to let you know it's a gag. The Jack character looks pretty good
all the way through, as does Rose at times. It's only a few frames here and
there that give it away, but they're enough to completely wreck the
illusion.
It could probably have been made less obvious by not overcranking it (i.e.
not showing it in slow motion) and by not having those flashing xenon lights
in the ceiling.
>just showing the water thrashing down the corridor to show its force
>would ahve been good and then their faces after experiencing it.
Would have been good yes, but nowhere near as good as the scene we got would
have been were it perfect.
>But, nothing is ever 100% perfect.
True enough. The name of the game with VFX is to make the imperfections so
small the bulk of the audience don't spot them. When you look at the number
and complexity of some of Titanic's FX shots, it's amazing that only one or
two of them have obvious flaws.
Kotwicki
>
> True enough. The name of the game with VFX is to make the imperfections so
> small the bulk of the audience don't spot them.
Right, And the bulk of the audience did'nt spot them in this shot, at least in
the cinema I was in everyone thought that Kate Winslet might look a bit funny
when running, but I seriously doubt that any of them picked it as a VFX shot,
so I think they got away with it. Murdoch's air walking in the 'King of the
World' flyover scene was far more recognisable..