Did Rose die at the end?
raymond james hanley
There is an on going debate between my Aunty and I about the end of the
Titanic movie. Did Rose die an old lady in the bed and her spirit go back
down to the ship to join Jack OR did she just have a dream. I have asked
heaps of people at school the same question and everyone has a different
opinion.
Please let me know.
Hayley
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adidasgirl©
she died. notice that all the people clapping at the end are all people
who died. also, when jack said that shes gonna die old in her bed, that
was kinda foreshadowing.
Paul Hampton
I noticed that the very last shot over Gloria Stuart, her eyes seem to move
a bit under the lids (REM sleep???) If the story indeed ends with Rose
dying, Cameron probably would have made that more obvious somehow.
Compile / Subliminal
Cameron lets you people make up your own mind!!!
From the end of the script:
"We PAN OFF the last picture to Rose herself, warm in her bunk. A profile
shot. She is very still. She could be sleeping, or maybe something else."
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"James Cameron has created a movie which touches the soul.
If you disagree, perhaps it is because you don't have one."
SleepyInNJ
>I noticed that the very last shot over Gloria Stuart, her eyes seem to move
>a bit under the lids (REM sleep???)
I think that tended to be more Gloria's natural eye movements than anything in
the script.
When I close my eyes (and pretend to be asleep or dead) they twitch all by
themselves, I can't stop it from happening.
I really do believe Rose died, and was reunited with Jack and the other victims
of the distastor. ::sniff sniff::
~Deb~
ERIC GALVIN
Rose did die at the end of the movie, her last dream was of Jack, and
just as Jack told her. She past away in the warmth of her bed.
Canman23
Rose died in the end and went back to be with Jack. Notice all the people that
were there when she went back, it was all the people that went down with the
ship. Mr. Aster, the captain, Mr. Andrews, and so on. Hope this helps.
Philippe Morneau
I think it was done so that it was up to everyone to see whatever they
desire.
JoaBellnna
James Cameron himself said that the audience could decide for themselves what
happens. I think we should stop posting arguing different points of view
because there is no right answer.
- Joanna
Van Caester Gunther
rose did not die on the end of the movie she was dreaming
SleepyInNJ <sleep...@aol.com> wrote in article
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In article <19980222181...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
joabe...@aol.com (JoaBellnna) wrote:> > James Cameron himself said that the
audience could decide for themselves what> happens. I think we should stop
posting arguing different points of view> because there is no right answer.>
use dejanews :(Titanic in general and Gloria Stuart in particular has become
a bit of an obsession with me since I saw the movie [my tribute page is well
underway as I write this] and I can't resist the temptation to add a footnote
to this topic. My sloppy notetaking means that I cannot give proper credit or
chronology to the author of the following excerpt but I found it to be a
fairly definitive statement on the subject.<<<As the creators of great
tragedy often do, Cameron probably left the ending purposely ambiguous. He
satisfies our emotional need for a resolution, but he also included some
contradictory details and an ending that can go either way so the film can
inspire some fruitful discussion. It's a beautiful thing when a film created
for mass consumption achieves this level.>>>
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Juddson Dowhy
Rose didn't die at the end???? And what do you base this astute conlusion
on??? I myself tend to believe the exact opposite. However, as was pointed
out to me (and I'll point it out to you), the script does not say one way or
the other. SO, whether she died or not is left purely to one's interpretation
of the last scene. DAMN we need an FAQ.
Patrick James Rieger
> Van Caester Gunther wrote:
>
> > rose did not die on the end of the movie she was dreaming
I believe this is debatable, with no wrong or right answer. In my opinion
she died and was reunited with her one true love. Her life had come full
circle. She had lived a full, fun, rewarding life, with alot of happiness.
The drawing of her was found, and she "returned" to TITANIC, literally by
physically going to the area where the TITANIC sank, and figuratively by
telling her story for the first time. In a way she was reunited with Jack
with the discovery of the drawing. Once that happened it was time to truly
be reunited with him. She appears to be lying in her bed aboard the salvage
ship at peace, ready for death to take her away.
Patrick
Compile / Subliminal
Oh yeah, how do YOU get so intelligent?
Graham Cant
In article <19980222181...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, JoaBellnna
<URL:mailto:joabe...@aol.com> wrote:
> James Cameron himself said that the audience could decide for themselves what
> happens. I think we should stop posting arguing different points of view
> because there is no right answer.
I any case we should take example from how she lived her life not how
she died.
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Disclaimer: I regularly talk rubbish.
Detweiler
Actually she did. I read in the script that it was meant that she died in
her sleep...
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Robert Kim
Detweiler wrote in message <6df7oa$r2c$1...@newsreader.jvnc.net>...
>Actually she did. I read in the script that it was meant that she died in
>her sleep...
The script (if it were the actual script) does not mention at all if Rose
dies. It's "or something else." I think the clue lies with the necklace,
Heart of the Ocean, and what it represented in her life. Did Rose die? I
believe it's a possibility she did. Let's look at the scene where she
explains to the crew how she survived after she arrived in New York:
"The hardest part about being so poor, was being so rich. But every time I
thought of selling [the necklace], I thought of Cal. And somehow I always
got by without his help."
Obviously, the necklace has direct ties with Cal. But selling it would mean
either having to explain where she obtained such a rare treasure, or
revealing her identity, both of which would have meant that she would have
had to break her promise to Jack, as mentioned numerous times in this NG.
The necklace is her promise "to survive... that [she] will never give up...
no matter what happens... no matter how hopeless... and never let go of that
promise," and her promise kept, as we can see in her pictures of herself in
her various stages in her life.
Remember she says to her granddaughter, "a woman's heart is a deep ocean of
secrets?" In keeping her promise, there was no need for Rose to mention Jack
to anyone. It actually would have made the promise hard to keep if she
mentioned Jack, since that may 1) attract attention - imagine the attention
she would receive if she claimed that she survived the Titanic and a man
named Jack Dawson saved her (or just the fac that she survived the Titanic)
and 2) reveal Rose's past - in similar to if she had sold the necklace, she
would not only attract attention, she may also have had to reveal her past.
Her experience with Jack gave her strength and courage. There was no need to
reveal any of that. In one way, the necklace is her reminder of her past, as
well as her promise and strength. It is her promise to Jack, and her heart
to keep that promise. It was a curse and a blessing; she could not sell it,
but it gave her the will to live. It is a symbol of her secret.
So what does it mean when we see Rose slip the necklace into the sea? It
certainly does not mean that she has broken her promise to Jack. Her last
act in her life was to reveal the identity of Jack who died to save her life
and her soul. Her heart floating gently to the deep ocean where Titanic and
her love is buried, she died still keeping her promise, and she died in the
arms of the man she truly loved.
Well, at least that how I saw it.
Chris Apgar
Detweiler (glen...@dynanet.com) wrote:
> Actually she did. I read in the script that it was meant that she died in
> her sleep...
No, the script doesn't specify. In fact what it says is "she could be
Deborah Espy
I personally think she died in her sleep but thought that when you Jack
standing at the top of the staircase and when he turned around and held
out his hand, it should have been Rose as she looked at the time of her
death.
Enchanted
Bravo! This is wonderful! I never thought about the Heart of the Ocean
symbolizing Rose's heart. This makes perfectly good sense.
I think we have to remember, too, that Rose had an ulterior motive in
coming onto that Russian ship. I think she wanted to return to where
Titanic sank so she could return her "heart" to Jack and so that she could
die. What better place to die, but in the area that the Titanic sank??
Maybe deep down she knew she would 'reunite' with Jack.
I kind of think it is silly to say that Rose is sleeping at the end of the
movie. To have her die is really fitting because only through death can
she be reunited with Jack. Of course, this is only my opinion. =)
I love posts like this!!
Enchanted
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you're right. i read the script on a lot of web sites and it always
added the 'or maybe something else'. i think that cameron didn't wasnt
anyone to actually know. it's a good point to ponder and he didn't want
to ruin it for anyone with the facts.
co...@singnet.com.sg
I did not read the script but my opinion is, she did died. In the end
with that scene where Jack is waiting for Rose on top of the staires
with all of the people who died. That signifies rose's death. She
died, so she is seen going back to reunite with Jack.
Beth Powers
died on that shipped and is back whith the one she is young
iddybud
if she didn't die, why were all the people she encountered as she entered
Titanic once again the same people who had not survived the sinking??
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Kristy Crawley
If she didn't die, then why did the clock at the top of the stairs read
2:20, the time the ship officially was underwater?
Andy Hanrahan
Of course she died. Jack told her she would die in bed an old woman,
remember? That's exactly what she did. It was fitting.
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That could conceivable happen in a dream as well :-)
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All the people standing around watching are all the other people who also died that night. She takes Jack's hand, they kiss and the camera pans up to the glass roof, then the entire screen goes white, (as in the white light you see when you die...)
Jack and rose then go together into the white light..
Rose 100% dies at the end of the movie