scientific study: effects of burton on the young
darli...@my-deja.com
direct beyond "Batman Returns" ... I for one am glad that he didn't...
sequels, in general, stink. If one makes a good sequel (such as the
second Batman), then it is even harder to keep a good thing going. It
becomes a ploy to make money, which is not a good thing.
And with that said, the mention of "Batman Returns" started me
thinking. I'm very new to this group, and so I don't know much about
the rest of you, but I'm kinda young (only 17 years old). It has only
been in the past 2 years or so that I came to realize (or really care)
that most of my favorite movies were created by the same man (whee!
What a joyous thing to discover!) ... So, I am curious, if there are
any other young Burton fans out there, what did these movies do to
you? I'm convinced seeing Lydia for the first time was what prompted
my current fashion statement, and the second Batman movie has been a
matter of obsession for me since I saw it when I was little!
*smile* Am I the only one who was thrilled by Burton before I even
knew he existed?
Oh, and another thing... It was asked on another post, but never
answered:
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH WWW.TIMBURTON.COM?????????
My whole life is a dark room,
Zigi
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Hooloovoo
video. back then, Disney hadn't yet begun cranking out their
plastic video cases, so that's all we had every day after
school. i had that thing memorized! well, that and ninja
turtles and the 3rd indiana jones.
oh, and i noticed that my infant cousin just LoveS the
opening credits of edward scissorhands with all of the floating
cookie shapes.
: )
and i think the prob with timburton.com is the same as the Stain
Boy dilemma. : (
but i hear burton's official site for his planet of the apes
remake is launching in september or october, so he might unleash
his own site on the world then as well.
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wolfman83
darli...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> I'm very new to this group, and so I don't know much about
> the rest of you, but I'm kinda young (only 17 years old). It has only
> been in the past 2 years or so that I came to realize (or really care)
> that most of my favorite movies were created by the same man (whee!
> What a joyous thing to discover!) ... So, I am curious, if there are
> any other young Burton fans out there, what did these movies do to
> you? I'm convinced seeing Lydia for the first time was what prompted
> my current fashion statement, and the second Batman movie has been a
> matter of obsession for me since I saw it when I was little!
I don't know. Can you give your definition of "young Burton fan"? The
thing is that although I'm hitting my thirties pretty soon, I was about
you age when I discovered his (first) films. I was your age when I saw
Lydia for the first time, too. Still interested in my oppinions?
Thanks for the kind words about Batman Returns. It's my favorite, too
(although I was 22 when that film came out).
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> And I will say many good things about Batman Returns. That movie is
> enchanting!
>
We should talk some time. :-)
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> Boy" would you like to see done in flash?
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darli...@my-deja.com
wolfman83 <wolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know. Can you give your definition of "young Burton fan"? The
> thing is that although I'm hitting my thirties pretty soon, I was
about
> you age when I discovered his (first) films. I was your age when I saw
> Lydia for the first time, too. Still interested in my oppinions?
>
> Thanks for the kind words about Batman Returns. It's my favorite, too
> (although I was 22 when that film came out).
Hmm... definition... "young" Burton fan... Anyone who was still in
school (not post-secondary) when they first saw one of his movies and
loved it?
Then we can define me as a "REALLY young" Burton fan, because I was not
only still in school, but I still thought boys were gross and watched
cartoons on Saturday mornings. *smile* Oh, wait... That's still true.
... and speaking of cartoons... does anyone like the animated
Beetlejuice t.v. show? I mean, it's spin-off, but still...
And I will say many good things about Batman Returns. That movie is
enchanting!
~Zigi
PMthruROTJ
is my favorite, I saw it in the theatre when it was first released, and
still love it to this day. I knew about Burton's connection to so many good
movies for a while, but only in the past couple of years have I started to
watch films like Edward Scissorhands and Ed Wood.
Hugo wrote in message <397549D9...@hotmail.com>...
>
>
>> And I will say many good things about Batman Returns. That movie is
>> enchanting!
>>
>
Defie
remember staying up until two AM to watch it three times in a row. I
was so obsessed I even starting forcing my friends to watch it over
and over again and i started a secret club about it too.
then i started watching the Beetlejuice animated cartoon (which i saw
before the movie) and i fell in love all over again. Tim burton
provided me with countless obsessions over the years. and about a year
ago i re-discovered his magic with Nightmare. Now i'm starting where i
left off as a little kid....scouring all the movie stores and e-bay
for anything even remotely burton-esque.
and let me tell you, i've never once been disappointed by
burton....ever....
and i doubt that will ever change.
cheers!
~Defie
darli...@my-deja.com
Hugo <eck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > And I will say many good things about Batman Returns. That movie is
> > enchanting!
> >
>
> We should talk some time. :-)
>
>
*smile* Gladly. That movie really is wonderful... It sounds silly,
but I never felt the same about anything after I watched it. I thought
all the scenery was beautiful, and I wanted to be where the characters
were! Everything about it infected me in the most wonderful way. I
wanted to see it again and again, to take everything in!
I'm not sure what I love so much about it, because it was a bit of
everything. And watching it now I appreciate it so much more for the
witty lines and the dark humor.
Alright, I won't get truly started on how great it is right now... Just
know that it is incredible!
Son of Suzy Creamcheese
That's not kind of young, I started reading this newsgroup when I was 12.
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darli...@my-deja.com
abes...@aol.compostHeap (Son of Suzy Creamcheese) wrote:
> >I'm kinda young (only 17 years old).
>
12.
>
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> "Liposuction, E-Mail, Breast Implant" -- Jerry from The Persuasions
>
*smile* Well, "young" was more in reference to how old I was when I saw
my first Burton film(s).
As far as reading the newsgroups, I'm certain age varies, since normally
17 isn't young for any given mailing list or newsgroup.
Smiles,
wolfman83
darli...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> *smile* Gladly. That movie really is wonderful... It sounds silly,
> but I never felt the same about anything after I watched it. I
thought
> all the scenery was beautiful, and I wanted to be where the characters
> were!
It's weird, but all of Burton's films (apart from Mars Attacks! IMO),
take place in such wonderful surroundings that one instantly wants to
be a part of it - regardless of what cruelty goes on there!
Halloweentown, Gotham, Sleepy Hollow - you name it!
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owlch...@aol.comedy (The Minister of All Things Perfect) wrote:
> >That's not kind of young, I started reading this newsgroup when I
was 12.
> >
>
LOL!
PMthruROTJ
>
>It's weird, but all of Burton's films (apart from Mars Attacks! IMO),
>take place in such wonderful surroundings that one instantly wants to
>be a part of it - regardless of what cruelty goes on there!
>Halloweentown, Gotham, Sleepy Hollow - you name it!
Yup, ironically, the seemingly nice places, like Edward Scissorhand's
suburbia, and Mars Attacks white house are the places that are the least
inviting to live in.
C3LorneHop
>any other young Burton fans out there, what did these movies do to
>you?
I first saw "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure" on video when I was about 5. I had
no idea who Tim Burton was, of course, but the world he created for the movie
struck a chord with me - albeit negatively. I thought the movie was too dark
and dangerous and was unable to sit through it. I did, however, watch long
enough to see the scene where Pee-Wee's bike was stolen; for some reason, that
one scene touched me more than almost anything else I have ever seen in films.
I finally did watch the movie from start to finish about 11 years later, and I
admired the movie's ingenuity and humor.
I saw "Batman" on video on July 3, 1992, exactly one week before I went to
see "Returns" in the theater. I was almost 12 years old and therefore mature
enough to see Burton films, but "Batman" was still dark enough to scare me a
little. I remember being frightened by The Joker, the two murder victims he
used in his T.V. commercial, and the overall Gothic/film noir atmosphere of
Gotham City. Apart from that, though, "Batman" didn't really leave an
impression on me. I just thought it was an exciting movie and I waited
anxiously to see if Batman could save the city.
A week later, on a day that will forever stand out in my mind, I went to
see the sequel with my family. I had foolishly told them that it was "lighter"
in tone than the original, mostly because I had read the comic book version
with all the bright colors exaggerated and the more morbid parts toned down or
excised completely. Well, I sat in the theater waiting impatiently for what I
believed to be a great movie, and I wasn't disappointed! I got a kick out of
The Penguin, his circus gang, his big rubber duck vehicle, and everything else.
But what really made the movie memorable for me was that I was able to
sympathize, even connect, with the characters. I rooted for Batman, of course,
but I also enjoyed the emotional case studies of Penguin and Catwoman. In his
own simple way, I realized, Burton was using this movie to explore heavy themes
like pain, betrayal, and intolerance. Upon leaving the theater, though I was
surrounded by disgruntled theatergoers muttering, "too dark, too dark," I was
convinced that I had seen a cinematic masterpiece.
Since that time, of course, I have seen every other Burton movie (except
for "Vincent" and "Frankenweenie," both of which I do hope to see someday), but
none of them really touched me in the same profound ways as "Pee-Wee's Big
Adventure," "Batman," and "Batman Returns," all of which I first saw in my
pre-teenage years.
darli...@my-deja.com
"PMthruROTJ" <PMthr...@aol.com> wrote:
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> Yup, ironically, the seemingly nice places, like Edward Scissorhand's
> suburbia, and Mars Attacks white house are the places that are the
least
> inviting to live in.
>
Agreed... I assume it was planned that way in suburbia, though.
"Mars Attacks" had a few places in it that seemed kind of neat to me,
but they were only neat, and not the ideal scenery from most of
Burton's other films. It wasn't the type of movie that would support a
gorgeous backdrop, though.
I think my most favorite "place to be" out of all the films that I've
seen would be the house that Edward lives in by himself... but perhaps
I'd prefer it dropped on the outskirts of Gotham from "Batman Returns."
~Zigi
darli...@my-deja.com
c3lor...@aol.com (C3LorneHop) wrote:
> But what really made the movie memorable for me was that I was able to
> sympathize, even connect, with the characters. I rooted for Batman,
of course,
> but I also enjoyed the emotional case studies of Penguin and
Catwoman. In his
> own simple way, I realized, Burton was using this movie to explore
heavy themes
> like pain, betrayal, and intolerance.
I believe that my main attraction to Burton's work is what you've
written in the above snippity of words. Somehow, I _connect_ with his
characters. And not every 'bad guy' is always such a bad guy, because
you feel for most of them, at least a little.
Two things that are very dear to me are "Edward Scissorhands"
and "...Oyster Boy." Because Edward and also most of the characters in
Oyster Boy remind me of... well, me.
I cried and cried and cried the first time I saw "Edward Scissorhands"
because I just thought 'that's really how it is' ... not realistic, of
course, but that is how people treat other people. Fascination by what
is different, and fear. Also, things don't always turn out the way
that they ought to. Like in Edward, our hero doesn't always end up
with the girl in the end, even if they care for eachother... people
don't always accept the hero for what he is. Things hurt, and that's
just the way it is.
Alright, off my soapbox.
Lisa Midgorden
won't say my age for fear of persecution. lol), but y'all are right. The
characters, the scenery, the stories, all of it creates this world thats
realistic to some degree, but a little more on the fantasy side. I'm not
exactly sure what my favorite Burton film is, but I do believe the first one
I saw was Beetlejuice. And then I saw Batman Returns when I was six years
old. I liked it so much I made my parents buy it for me. At SIX years
old!! Sure I didn't understand a lot of what was goin on and what some
things meant, and the Penguin grossed me out a little, but it didn't disturb
me in the least. I liked it. I watched it again for the first time in
years two months ago, and......well...... let's just say I know most of it
by heart. 8)
I've also noticed something. It's probably pretty obvious, but I saw most
of his early work when I was a little kid, and forever after that, something
about each movie stuck in my mind. It could be a single line or a few
scenes, but something always stayed with me. With Beetlejuice it was the
sculptures and the part where everyone's dancing against their will around
the dinner table, with Batman Returns it was the scenes where the cats
revive Selina and when the Penguin bites that nerd on the nose, with Edward
Scissorhands..............hmm...........that's a tough one. I loved
everything about that one. In any case, There was always something that
made a big impression on me, and now that I'm finally appreciating the
brilliance of Mr. Burton's work on an understanding level and not childish
amazement (okay maybe a little childish amazement), I've actually become
artistically inspired.
I wrote a short story (not that any of you care) that's kind of Burtonesque.
I hate to say that because NOTHING could really be Burtonesque except his
own work, but I tried to capture some of the emotions and feeling of some of
his films. It wasn't hard to do, since i can really identify with them. I
don't want to go in to a lot of detail. (Mostly because I know no one wants
to hear about it.), but if anyone wants to read it, i'd be happy to send
it. For all the Edward Scissorhands lovers out there, I think you'd really
like the main characters. I think it goes without saying that I read
Oyster Boy constantly as I was completing it. It was a tremendous thrill
for me being a writer and poet, to experience that book.
Okay, I'll stop preaching now.
-Pincushion Queen
Anthrid
> Hmm... definition... "young" Burton fan... Anyone who was still in
> school (not post-secondary) when they first saw one of his movies and
> loved it?
I have a hard time accurately saying when I first saw a Tim Burton film
since I was not taken to movies much when I was a kid. (I'm at the ripe
old age of 20, btw.) It was either Pee-wee or Batman, but both were on
VHS. I remember being shocked at loving Pee-wee so much (I didn't like
the television show very much, because I hated the screaming that followed
the secret word) and finding Batman to be exciting and interesting, but
nothing that stuck in my mind a whole lot (well, except the flood of
merchandising about that film. I vividly recall being flushed with
jealousy over another girl's dangling Bat-signal earrings, but I
digress). I think I saw Beetlejuice on television and liked it. Batman
Returns was the being of my obsession, because of that fantastic camera
twist through the dinosaur spine at the frosty Gotham Zoo. That still
sends a shiver up my spine. :)
What _really_ won my heart forever, though, was the opening scene of
Nightmare Before Christmas. I was 14 and seeing it with my best friend
Jill, affectionately nicknamed "Swamii." Immediately after "This is
Halloween" I turned to her with the biggest dopiest smile on my face and
she said "You want to live there, don't you?"
Yes, ma'am, I certainly do.
> ... and speaking of cartoons... does anyone like the animated
> Beetlejuice t.v. show? I mean, it's spin-off, but still...
I do, actually. Many consider it blasphemy, but the "I am Poe" "I'm not
giving you any money!" exchange was enough for me to adore it.
Then again, I really like the short lived Saturday morning show "Bone
Chillers" :)
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Defie
>I hate to say that because NOTHING could really be Burtonesque except his
>own work, but I tried to capture some of the emotions and feeling of some of
>his films. It wasn't hard to do, since i can really identify with them. I
>don't want to go in to a lot of detail. (Mostly because I know no one wants
>to hear about it.), but if anyone wants to read it, i'd be happy to send
>it. For all the Edward Scissorhands lovers out there, I think you'd really
>like the main characters. I think it goes without saying that I read
>Oyster Boy constantly as I was completing it. It was a tremendous thrill
>for me being a writer and poet, to experience that book.
Actually, if it doesn't amaze you too much(!!), i'd love to read your
story. Please either post it or send it to me: demon...@yahoo.com
Thanks much