More SUNRISE DVD info
Dr. Giraud
Extras on the Sunrise DVD, according to a 12/12 press release from Fox
Home Entertainment:
"Restoration comparisons, a commentary by a noted film restoration
expert, a one hour documentary, outtakes, a brand new Four Devils
montage set to the musical score, the Four Devils screenplay, the
original thatrical trailer, and a comprehensive still gallery."
No idea who the film preservation expert is.
You just have to buy 3 Fox Studio Classics (they're pushing All About
Eve, Gentleman's Agreement, and How Green Was My Valley) and send in
the coupon.
Shawn Stone
DMS
> You just have to buy 3 Fox Studio Classics (they're pushing All About
> Eve, Gentleman's Agreement, and How Green Was My Valley) and send in
> the coupon.
Well, I've got those three all pre-ordered.
Assuming this is a wildly successful venture and Fox receives a lot of
requests for Sunrise, what other silent film(s) might they consider
releasing?
DMS
Bruce Calvert
DMS stated...
Back in the late 1970s, Fox released some of their silents in Super 8mm through
Blackhawk Films like WHAT PRICE GLORY, THE GREAK K&A TRAIN ROBBERY, and THE IRON
HORSE. I can't remember if they released SEVENTH HEAVEN or not.
Bruce Calvert
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David English
Shawn...@aol.com says...
> Fox is sending out press materials about the Sunrise DVD.
>
> Extras on the Sunrise DVD, according to a 12/12 press release from Fox
> Home Entertainment:
>
> "Restoration comparisons, a commentary by a noted film restoration
> expert, a one hour documentary, outtakes, a brand new Four Devils
> montage set to the musical score, the Four Devils screenplay, the
> original thatrical trailer, and a comprehensive still gallery."
The Sunrise laserdisc was "digitally mastered and electronically
restored... from a pristine 35mm fine grain master print conserved in
the Fox Studio vaults." Anyone know if this a new restoration?
Patrick McCart
I was pretty dead-set against the offer, but this looks like a damn good
DVD.
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Patrick McCart
public domain or lost...could anyone verify this?
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Dr. Giraud
I think they only own one more silent, Seventh Heaven. The rest are probably
public domain or lost...could anyone verify this? >>
I would be very surprised if most 1923 and later Fox films were public domain.
I thought--from what I've read here--that Fox has been very careful about
copyrights.
Shawn Stone
DShepFilm
restored... from a pristine 35mm fine grain master print conserved in
the Fox Studio vaults." >>
This is a sentence from the copy which I wrote for the SUNRISE laserdisc. In
fact, they didn't even bother to change "laserdisc" to "DVD".
David Shepard
David English
dshe...@aol.com says...
posting. I copied the quote from the laserdisc jacket in order to ask if
the DVD restoration is the same restoration as the laserdisc. It is not
a quote from the DVD press release.
I should have been more clear in my earlier posting. Here's a rewrite:
According to the Sunrise laserdisc jacket, the
laserdisc was "digitally mastered and electronically
restored... from a pristine 35mm fine grain master
print conserved in the Fox Studio vaults." Does
anyone know if the DVD restoration is a different restoration?
The rewrite gives the proper attribution so there's less chance of a
misunderstanding. This must be how rumors get started on the Internet.
Guess I shouldn't say that I found the missing print of Four Devils
while deep sea fishing.
Ulrich Rüdel
"Dr. Giraud" wrote:
> You just have to buy 3 Fox Studio Classics (they're pushing All About
> Eve, Gentleman's Agreement, and How Green Was My Valley) and send in
> the coupon.
>
> Shawn Stone
And you must be a US resident I presume?
Uli
Robert Miller
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> Back in the late 1970s, Fox released some of their silents in Super 8mm
through
> Blackhawk Films like WHAT PRICE GLORY, THE GREAK K&A TRAIN ROBBERY, and
THE IRON
> HORSE. I can't remember if they released SEVENTH HEAVEN or not.
All of those titles were originally licensed by TCF to Paul Killiam, who had
them scored and/or tinted for 16mm rental. It was Killiam who had a
sub-release agreement with Blackhawk in those days.
--Robert Miller
Silvered Motion
> ... You just have to buy 3 Fox Studio Classics (they're pushing All About
> Eve, Gentleman's Agreement, and How Green Was My Valley) and send in
> the coupon.
>
> Shawn Stone
Looks like on-line reviewers are beginning to get the first wave of
discs:
http://www.dvdfile.com/software/review/dvd-video_5/allabouteve_se.html
Sounds like a winner. If HGWMV and GA boast similar quality control
(and all reports indicate they should), Fox's "Studio Classics" line
(with what sounds to be a stellar "Sunrise" disc; thanks for that
info), alongside a slew of Bogart discs from Columbia and one from
Image, not to mention classic Lubitsch from Criterion and the
beginning of a strong year for Bing Crosby in the 30's (phew! What a
smorgasbord of delights next month), may prove an ideal way to get
2003 started on the right "classic library" DVD foot. As bright a
January as I recall in many a year. And yes, that's a very bad
"Sunrise" pun. :)
Bill
ChaneyFan
public domain or lost...could anyone verify this? >>
You've *got* to be kidding! The following are all Fox silents that survive and
I believe they own the rights to all of them (i.e., none are p.d.):
Ankles Preferred 27
Arizona Express, The 24
Best Bad Man, The 25
Big Dan 23
Black Paradise 26
Blue Eagle, The 26
Blue Skies, The 29
Cameo Kirby 23
Captain Lash 29
Chain Lightning 27
Circus Ace, The 27
City Girl 30
Colleen 27
Country Beyond, The 26
Cowboy and the Countess, The 26
Cradle Snatchers, The 27
Cyclone Rider, The 24
Dancers, The 25
Dante's Inferno 24
Desert Outlaw, The 24
Desert Valley 26
Dick Turpin 25
Dressed to Kill 28
East Lynne 25
East Side, West Side 27
Fazil 28
Fig Leaves 26
First Year, The 26
Flying Horseman, The 26
Folly of Vanity 25
Four Sons 28
Friendly Husband, A 23
Girl in Every Port, A 28
Going Crooked 26
Gold Heels 25
Golden Strain, The 26
Good as Gold 27
Great K & A Train Robbery, The 26
Greater than a Crown 25
Hangman's House 28
Hardboiled 26
Havoc 25
High School Hero 27
Honor Bound 28
In Love With Love 25
Iron Horse, The 24
Johnstown Flood, The 26
Joy Girl 27
Kentucky Pride 25
Last Man on Earth, The 25
Last of the Duanes, The 24
Last Trail, The 27
Lazybones 25
Lightnin' 25
Love Letters 24
Loves of Carmen, The 27
Lucky Horseshoe 25
Lucky Star 29
Man Who Came Back, The 24
Marriage License? 26
Monkey Talks, The 27
More Pay--Less Work 26
Mother Machree 28
My Own Pal 26
News Parade 28
No Man's Gold 26
North of Hudson Bay 24
Oh, You Tony 24
Outlaws of Red River 27
Paid to Love 27
Painted Post 28
Rainbow Trail, The 25
Red Dance 28
Return of Peter Grimm, The 26
Riders of the Purple Sage 25
Riley the Cop 28
River Pirate, The 28
River, The 29
Road House 28
Romance Land 23
Romance of the Underworld 28
Roughneck, The 25
Sandy 26
Seventh Heaven 27
Shamrock Handicap, The 26
Sharp Shooters 28
Silent Command, The 23
Singed 27
Skid-Proof 23
Soft Boiled 23
Soft Living 28
Square Crooks 28
Street Angel 28
Summer Bachelors 26
Sunrise--A Song of Two Humans 27
Teeth 24
Thief in the Dark 28
Three Bad Men 26
Tony Runs Wild 26
Trent's Last Case 29
Trouble Shooter, The 24
Village Blacksmith, The 23
What Price Glory? 26
Whispering Wires 26
Why Sailors Go Wrong 28
Wild West Romance 28
Yankee Senor, The 26
Yellow Fingers 26
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Silvered Motion
> ... You've *got* to be kidding! The following are all Fox silents that
> survive and I believe they own the rights to all of them (i.e., none are
> p.d ....
It's very heartening to see that list, Jon! Many of those would make
for great follow-up promotions in Fox's "Studio Classics" line. I
really do hope the "Sunrise" promotion is a terrific success for Fox,
because proof-of-profit is, it seems clear, what most stands between
so many major studios and support of their silent catalogues (or even
a willingness to license them). How many stars had to align before WB
was finally convinced a video restoration of "Now, Voyager" was worth
the money? How many theatrical re-releases of "Gone With the Wind" had
to make money before studios decided there just might be a little
interest out there in other films made before 1970? (one of my fondest
moviegoing memories dates to the last theatrical re-release of "Gone
With the Wind," when, during the show, I heard a group of teenage
girls sigh loudly at the close-up of Clark Gable that caps his
introductory dolly shot). It took years to convince certain studios
that B&W wasn't the ugly forefather of color, but eventually studios
listened; ditto on OAR (all due credit to Criterion for paving that
road). I do dream of major studio support for catalogue silent
holdings, and seriously, Hollywood is The Dream Factory, so why is
that so wrong? ;)
At any rate, thanks for the list. Wonderful to see so large a group
from one studio in a single rundown like that; now if we could only
see the films released to DVD so comprehensively ....
Bill (John Q. Public if Fox is listening)
Robert Miller
"ChaneyFan" <chan...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> << I think they only own one more silent, Seventh Heaven. The rest are
probably
> public domain or lost...could anyone verify this? >>
>
> You've *got* to be kidding! The following are all Fox silents that
survive and
> I believe they own the rights to all of them (i.e., none are p.d.):
There may be a curious twist to the copyright status of the surviving Fox
silents.
It seems that the studio lawyers misread (or didn't read) the 1912 copyright
very closely.
Prior to the 1976 major revision in the act, not only was a printed notice
of copyright registration required in a film's credits, but BOTH the name of
the claimant AND the year of registration were required to be displayed --
for any subsequent infringement claims to hold up in court.
Several Fox silents bear only the notice, "Copyright by William Fox"... and
no year of registration.
Among the many changes in the 1976 law was a complete dropping of the
requirement for a printed notice as an absolute requirement for later
protection in court. This "little detail," if accidentally omitted or done
incorrectly, can now be taken care of later, by notifying an alleged
infringer to "cease and desist immediately," by filing a late registration
form (if none was filed prior to release) and by placing the missing or
corrected notice on subsequently distributed copies. (Producers had lobbied
for this change, to make sure that a "clerical oversight" didn't end up
costing them millions.)
I don't recall if the studio's omission of copyright-notice dates was ever
really used as an infringement defense in a pre-1976 court case involving
Fox titles, but IIRC, the complete omission of a notice was used as a
defense for some dupers of Universal's FLASH GORDON feature compilations,
back when unauthorized 16mm copies were made from notice-free, re-issue
prints which had been licensed by the studio to be created by third-party
distributors.
The long-ago legal tangles over this issue may be a motivation behind the
sometimes practice of RE-FRAMING opening titles, first on 16mm TV prints and
later on video transfers, to make sure that the copyright notice (often in
small print at the bottom of the screen) is raised high enough to be visible
above the cropping of a TV screen.
--Robert Miller
ChaneyFan
of copyright registration required in a film's credits, but BOTH the name of
the claimant AND the year of registration were required to be displayed --
for any subsequent infringement claims to hold up in court.
This is a non-issue. I believe the relevant case law involved the first season
of the original Star Trek which neglected to include any copyright notice on
the film. Some higher court (possibly the Supremes) ruled that the fact that
they filed the copyright was the relevant point and the fact that they omitted
the notice from the shows didn't put them into the public domain. So there is
no loophole on the Fox silents unfortunately.
Robert Miller
'76, involving 1950s TV shows, possibly Amos n' Andy among others. However,
before it became obvious that the weight of government was always going to
come down through the courts in favor of non notice-compliant claimants,
there was a flurry of duping and above-ground distributing of non
notice-containing original prints of such titles, back in those bygone days
of 1960s/1970s street-corner/store-front "film societies".
--Robert Miller
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