Universal Silents that still exist
Bruce Calvert
wondering which silent features from Universal still exist. I was hoping
that HELL MORGAN'S GIRL (1917) was still around, but I checked Jon Mirsalis'
Lon Chaney website and it is lost. DANTE'S INFERNO sure looked interesting
also.
Jon, is there any way that you could post a list of Universal silents that
are still around? I know that you may have done it a few years ago, but
deja.com only goes back to May 1999 now. Thanks...
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<vita...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8pe489$b6v$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> DANTE'S INFERNO (1924) is a Fox Film and still exists. I have a copy of
> it on video. (The only other silent version was a primitive Italian one
> from 1912)
>
>
>
>
Robert Birchard
> Well all I know is that
> Film Daily, Variety, New York Times, Photoplay and the Catalog of
> Copyright Entries 1912-1939 make no mention of any such film.
>
> so must of been either a short (that was not copyrighted) or released
> and copyrighted under a different name.
I believe the film that has been identified in at least one book as "Dante's
Inferno" with Francis Ford and Grace Cunard is either a film that was never
released, or more likely the "inferno" sequence appeared in an episode of "The
Purple Mask" and was misidentified in the book.
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Darren
> also.
>
>
I have this on video. A good fire and brimstone type film. I wish for this to
be on DVCD restored.
Have a nice day, :)
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Wow, this is an amazing list, Jon! Thank you for posting this again for
everyone. 189 is a number
higher than you'd expect for Universal extant silents, but considering there
about FIVE TIMES as
many features released by them from in the silent era, it actually isn't
that many. And a good number here are incomplete or not exactly easy to
see. It is great that only a handful of Reginald
Dennys are missing, a lot of his films must've been distributed as Show @
Home prints. I'd like
to add at least two more features to the list of surviving Universals:
A Woman's Faith and Secrets of the Night (both 1925). I recall seeing these
in a rental catalogue
years ago. And Tornado should be put under the list of films that are
incomplete; the MOMA print
screened at Cinecon two years ago was missing at least one reel.
Once again, excellent job Jon!
Dennis J.Campa
James Russell
>OK, I've finally gotten around to pulling this together. Here are the 189
>Universal silent features that I know of that survive in one form or another.
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>Neptune's Daughter 14
??? Since when has this not been lost? I thought "Neptune's Daughter"
was missing in action…
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Richard M Roberts
I have in my collection. And there are quite a few more Blue Streak
Westerns that survive in European archives and private collections.
RICHARD M ROBERTS
ChaneyFan wrote:
>
> >Jon, is there any way that you could post a list of Universal silents that
> >are still around?
>
> OK, I've finally gotten around to pulling this together. Here are the 189
> Universal silent features that I know of that survive in one form or another.
> Title is followed by year.
>
> '49-'17 17
> 13 Washington Square 28
> 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea 16
> Alias the Deacon 28
> All Night 18
> Back to God's Country 27
> Back Trail, The 24
> Barriers of Society 16
> Beautiful Cheat, The 26
> Behind the Curtain 24
> Blazing Days 27
> Blind Husbands 19
> Blue Streak McCoy 20
> Border Sheriff, The 26
> Bread 18
> Buck Privates 28
> Buckaroo Kid, The 26
> Butterfly 24
> Calgary Stampede, The 25
> California Straight Ahead 25
> Cat and the Canary, The 27
> Chapter in Her Life, A 23
> Charlatan, The 29
> Cheerful Fraud, The 27
> Chip of the Flying U 26
> Claw, The 27
> Cloud Dodger, The 28
> Cohens and the Kellys in Paris, The 28
> Cohens and the Kellys, The 26
> Combat, The 26
> Conflict, The 21
> Crooked Alley 23
> Damon and Pythias 14
> Dead Game 23
> Delicious Little Devil, The 19
> Devil's Pit, The a/Under the Southern Cross 30
> Don Quickshot of the Rio Grande 23
> Drifting 23
> Dumb Girl of Portici, The 16
> End of the Rainbow, The 16
> Exquisite Thief, The 19
> Family Secret, The 24
> Fangs of Destiny 27
> Fast Worker, The 24
> Fatherhood 15
> Field of Honor, The 17
> Fifth Avenue Models 25
> Fighting Fury 24
> Finders Keepers 28
> Fire Flingers, The 19
> Folly of Desire, The 16
> Foolish Wives 22
> Fourth Commandment, The 27
> Fox, The 21
> Freedom of the Press 28
> Gate Crasher, The 28
> Girl on the Barge, The 29
> Gloriana 16
> Goose Woman, The 25
> Grasp of Greed, The 16
> Guardians of the Wild 28
> Gun Fightin' Gentleman, A 19
> Head Winds 25
> Heart of Humanity, The 19
> Hell Bent 18
> Her Big Night a/Local Girl Makes Good 26
> Her Soul's Inspiration 17
> Hero for a Night, A 27
> His Lucky Day 29
> His Mystery Girl 23
> His People 25
> Hit and Run 24
> Home James 28
> Homemaker, The 25
> Hoofbeats of Vengeance 28
> How to Handle Women 28
> Human Hearts 22
> Hunchback of Notre Dame, The 23
> I'll Show You the Town 25
> Ice Flood, The 26
> If My Country Should Call 16
> Iron Hand, The 16
> It Can Be Done 29
> Ivanhoe 13
> Jazz Mad 28
> Kentucky Derby, The 22
> King of the Rodeo 29
> Lasca--Down by the Rio Grande 19
> Last Performance, The 29
> Last Warning, The 28
> Little Miss Nobody 17
> Little Orphan, The 17
> Lonesome 28
> Lorraine of the Lions 25
> Love Aflame 17
> Love Me and the World is Mine 28
> Love Trap, The 29
> Mad Whirl, The 25
> Madcap, The 16
> Man in Blue, The 25
> Man in the Moonlight, The 19
> Man Under Cover, The 22
> Man Who Laughs, The 28
> Marriage Clause, The 26
> Marriage Lie, The 18
> Merry-Go-Round 23
> Michigan Kid, The 28
> Midnight Sun, The 26
> Millionaire, The 21
> Mrs. Plum's Pudding 15
> My Old Dutch 26
> Mysterious Mrs. M, The 17
> Neptune's Daughter 14
> Night Bird, The 28
> No Woman Knows 21
> Oh, Doctor! 25
> One Wonderful Night 22
> Outside the Law 21
> Overland Red 20
> Paid in Advance 19
> Phantom Bullet, The 26
> Phantom Flyer, The 28
> Phantom of the Opera, The 25
> Pink Tights 20
> Place Beyond the Winds, The 16
> Poker Faces 26
> Prairie King, The 27
> Price of Pleasure, The 25
> Primrose Path, The 15
> Princess Virtue 17
> Raggedy Queen, The 17
> Reckless Age, The 24
> Rose of Paris, The 24
> Scandal 29
> Scandal a/Scandal Mongers 15
> Scarlet Car, The 17
> Sea Flower, The 18
> Secret Man, The 17
> Seekers, The 16
> Sensation Seekers 27
> Shakedown, The 29
> Shark Master, The 21
> Shield of Honor, The 28
> Shock, The 23
> Shoes 16
> Show Boat 29
> Signal Tower, The 24
> Silk Stockings 27
> Silks and Saddles a/Thoroughbreds 29
> Skinner's Dress Suit 26
> Smilin' Guns 29
> Smouldering Fires 25
> Social Bucaneer, The 16
> Soul for Sale, A 17
> Spangles 26
> Spook Ranch 25
> Sporting Life 25
> Sporting Youth 24
> Spotted Lily, The 17
> Stella Maris 25
> Stolen Ranch, The 26
> Storm, The 22
> Straight Shootin' 27
> Straight Shooting 17
> Surrender 28
> Texas Streak, The 26
> That's My Daddy 28
> Tornado 24
> Traffic in Souls 13
> Trap, The 22
> Turmoil, The 24
> Unattainable, The 16
> Uncle Tom's Cabin 27
> Under Two Flags 22
> Untameable, The 23
> Up the Ladder 25
> Virgin of Stamboul, The 20
> What Happened to Jones 26
> Where are My Children? 16
> Where Was I? 25
> Whirlpool of Destiny, The 16
> White Tiger, The 23
> Whole Town's Talking, The 26
> Wicked Darling, The 19
> Wild Beauty 27
> Wild Blood 29
> Wild Horse Stampede, The 26
> Won in the Clouds 28
> Yellow Back, The 26
>
> One caveat, of this list, the following are incomplete:
>
> End of the Rainbow, The
> Exquisite Thief, The
> Fatherhood
> Fire Flingers, The
> Folly of Desire, The
> Gloriana
> Grasp of Greed, The
> Gun Fightin' Gentleman, A
> Her Soul's Inspiration
> How to Handle Women
> Ice Flood, The
> If My Country Should Call
> Iron Hand, The
> Jazz Mad
> Little Orphan, The
> Love Aflame
> Madcap, The
> Marriage Clause, The
> Marriage Lie, The
> Mysterious Mrs. M, The
> Place Beyond the Winds, The
> Princess Virtue
> Rose of Paris, The
> Scandal a/Scandal Mongers
> Secret Man, The
> Seekers, The
> Shoes
> Smilin' Guns
> Social Bucaneer, The
> Soul for Sale, A
> Spook Ranch
> Sporting Youth
> Spotted Lily, The
> Unattainable, The
> Whirlpool of Destiny, The
>
> Depressing, isn't it?
> ===============================
> Jon Mirsalis
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> Jon's Film Sites: http://members.aol.com/ChaneyFan/jonfilm.htm
Bruce Calvert
chan...@aol.com (ChaneyFan) wrote:
> OK, I've finally gotten around to pulling this together. Here are
the 189
> Universal silent features that I know of that survive in one form or
another.
Thanks a bunch for the information, Jon!
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Before you buy.
ChaneyFan
in a rental catalogue years ago.
As a general rule I don't list films rumored to exist. I have also seen a
rental catalog from the 1970's with LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT listed. When I get
confirmation of a print, I'll list them.
>>>And Tornado should be put under the list of films that are incomplete; the
MOMA print screened at Cinecon two years ago was missing at least one reel.
Really? I played for it and have no recollection of it being cut. It
certainly seemed to have good continuity. Can someone else confirm this??
ChaneyFan
was missing in action…
MOMA has a fragment of this. Gosfilmofond has material, but I don't know how
complete. It could be the same fragment MOMA has, but I haven't been able to
confirm this one way or another.
ChaneyFan
Thanks Richard. That makes 190. I show BARNUM WAS RIGHT as an all-talkie, but
you may have a silent release version.
sh...@my-deja.com
> >A Woman's Faith and Secrets of the Night (both 1925). I recall
> >seeing these in a rental catalogue years ago.
>
> As a general rule I don't list films rumored to exist. I have also
> seen a rental catalog from the 1970's with LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT
> listed. When I get confirmation of a print, I'll list them.
"Secrets of the Night" definitely exists. It's even on video! I have
a copy of the Grapevine tape.
--Shush--
Richard M Roberts
>
> >>>You can add THE FEARLESS RIDER(1928) and BARNUM WAS RIGHT(1929).
>
> Thanks Richard. That makes 190. I show BARNUM WAS RIGHT as an all-talkie, but
> you may have a silent release version.
> ===============================
> Jon Mirsalis
Nope, it was a silent with a couple of talkie sequences and a movietone
score. It is way to visual a comedy to have been a silent version. And
if I were including silent versions of Universal talkies I have, I would
have included SENOR AMERICANO(1929) and DAMES AHOY(1930).
RICHARD M ROBERTS
Richard M Roberts
>
> >>>You can add THE FEARLESS RIDER(1928) and BARNUM WAS RIGHT(1929).
>
> Thanks Richard. That makes 190. I show BARNUM WAS RIGHT as an all-talkie, but
> you may have a silent release version.
> ===============================
> Jon Mirsalis
Oh yeah, you can also add odd reels of both HARD FISTS (1927) and
THUNDER RIDERS(1928) to the incomplete list.
RICHARD M ROBERTS
David Totheroh
sh...@my-deja.com wrote:
> chan...@aol.com (ChaneyFan) wrote:
>
> > >A Woman's Faith and Secrets of the Night (both 1925). I recall
> > >seeing these in a rental catalogue years ago.
> >
> > As a general rule I don't list films rumored to exist. I have also
> > seen a rental catalog from the 1970's with LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT
> > listed. When I get confirmation of a print, I'll list them.
>
> "Secrets of the Night" definitely exists. It's even on video! I have
> a copy of the Grapevine tape.
>
Which begs a question. Are there any 'films' that have been transfered to
video without having film preservation elements made, with source
materials subsequently lost to deterioration or whatever?
RFCSAC627N
When Ken Russell's MAHLER was being prepared for DVD release a couple of
years ago, the stereo soundtrack could not be located. The stereo sound had to
be pulled off an old VHS tape.
Richard Carnahan
Eric Grayson
Tell me, someone, who's got Drifting and Man Under Cover?
Eric
ChaneyFan
a copy of the Grapevine tape.
OK, thanks. I assume it is probably off a 16mm Show-at-Home, so I will assume
there is at least one 16mm print out there somewhere.
ChaneyFan
but
> you may have a silent release version.
>>>Nope, it was a silent with a couple of talkie sequences and a movietone
score.
OK. LOC has material, but I don't know if they have the track or not.
Greta de Groat
A Society Sensation (1918) isn’t on your Universal list. Grapevine has a
cut-down versions for which they give the wrong year, but it’s definitely the
same film. It's on their tape with Moran of the Lady Letty.
greta
ChaneyFan wrote:
> OK, I've finally gotten around to pulling this together. Here are the 189
> Universal silent features that I know of that survive in one form or another.
pre...@my-deja.com
chan...@aol.com (ChaneyFan) wrote:
> >>>A Woman's Faith and Secrets of the Night (both 1925). I recall
seeing these
> in a rental catalogue years ago.
>
> As a general rule I don't list films rumored to exist. I have also
seen a
> rental catalog from the 1970's with LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT listed.
When I get
> confirmation of a print, I'll list them.
>
> >>>And Tornado should be put under the list of films that are
incomplete; the
> MOMA print screened at Cinecon two years ago was missing at least one
reel.
>
> Really? I played for it and have no recollection of it being cut. It
> certainly seemed to have good continuity. Can someone else confirm
this??
Yes. When we booked this from MoMA, Anne Morra warned us that a middle
reel was in fact lost. Given that the story portions of the movie
weren't all that exciting, anyway, it's no surprise that it wasn't that
detectable. This is not a unique situation: I saw THE CRADLE
SNATCHERS--a very plot-driven comedy--at Pordenone with roughly two
reels of footage missing, yet I couldn't for the life of me tell you
where they might have fit in.
Mike S.
"You corporate lackey! Who told you your incompetent little fingers had
the requisite skills to edit me?"--Christopher Plummer (as Mike Wallace)
in THE INSIDER
pre...@my-deja.com
> >>
> >> > >A Woman's Faith and Secrets of the Night (both 1925). I recall
> >> > >seeing these in a rental catalogue years ago.
> >> >
> >> > As a general rule I don't list films rumored to exist. I have
also
> >> > seen a rental catalog from the 1970's with LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT
> >> > listed. When I get confirmation of a print, I'll list them.
> >>
have
> >> a copy of the Grapevine tape.
> >>
> >
transfered to
> >video without having film preservation elements made, with source
> >materials subsequently lost to deterioration or whatever?
> >
> When Ken Russell's MAHLER was being prepared for DVD release a
couple of
> years ago, the stereo soundtrack could not be located. The stereo
sound had to
> be pulled off an old VHS tape.
>
> Richard Carnahan
>
A similar situation happened to me when I was at Paramount. Someone
opened up a closet and found a virtually mint 70mm print of IN HARM'S
WAY, which I happily appropriated and put into service. A couple of
years later, I got a call from Michael Hickey asking if I still had it.
It turns out that they were readying it for video, and the original mags
were lost (also the case on several other titles, including ON A CLEAR
DAY...); that 70mm print was the sole surviving record of the film's
original stereo. The tracks were dutifully copied, and the stereo was
preserved. (Same thing recently happened here at Columbia with THE MAN
FROM LARAMIE; the stereo was taken from a survivng 4-track mag print.)
On a side note, when I recently met Kirk Douglas, I related the story (I
just happened to have a lobby card from the film with me), and he signed
it, "To Mike--who saved it!" Very cool.
Mike S.
"I can handle big news and little news. And if there's no news, I'll go
out and bite a dog."--Kirk in ACE IN THE HOLE
Joseph Kaufman
> A similar situation happened to me when I was at Paramount. Someone
> opened up a closet and found a virtually mint 70mm print of IN HARM'S
> WAY, which I happily appropriated and put into service. A couple of
> years later, I got a call from Michael Hickey asking if I still had it.
> It turns out that they were readying it for video, and the original mags
> were lost (also the case on several other titles, including ON A CLEAR
> DAY...); that 70mm print was the sole surviving record of the film's
> original stereo. The tracks were dutifully copied, and the stereo was
> preserved. (Same thing recently happened here at Columbia with THE MAN
> FROM LARAMIE; the stereo was taken from a survivng 4-track mag print.)
> On a side note, when I recently met Kirk Douglas, I related the story (I
> just happened to have a lobby card from the film with me), and he signed
> it, "To Mike--who saved it!" Very cool.
>
> Mike S.
Also there's the stereo sound for MASTER OF THE WORLD and the last reel of
THE TINGLER, rescued from a collector's mag stereo prints.
--
Joe Kaufman