The Golem (1920) - source of good video copy?
muf...@labyrinth.net.au
THE GOLEM (1920). Can anyone nominate a supplier of a good video copy
of the same film? Preferably a supplier without too many hoops to go
through before the actual order can be placed. Thanks.
- Ken.
VladW
>of the same film? Preferably a supplier without too many hoops to go
>through before the actual order can be placed. Thanks.
I have a pretty good print that I picked up in London. It's not perfect, but
very watchable and in PAL. You should be able to find it on Amazon.co.uk or
Blackstar.
Evan
muf...@labyrinth.net.au wrote in message
<3A64ED69...@labyrinth.net.au>...
As an Australian myself I was wondering if your friend purchased the film in
this country or is it from overseas. Im intending to get a copy myself so I
would like to make sure I have not missed a source in my own country before
pouring funds into the United States (not that I have anything against them
personally).
Philip
>this country or is it from overseas. Im intending to get a copy myself so I
>would like to make sure I have not missed a source in my own country before
>pouring funds into the United States (not that I have anything against them
>personally).
Just because it's USA, don't assume it's good. I bought the movie
through Amazon.com last year and was quite disappointed. It came from
Timeless video. The image quality was barely passable. What really
killed it was the needle-drop score. Nice cover, though.
Grapevine video carries it. I wish I had thought of them first.
- Philip
muf...@labyrinth.net.au
proved not to have it. In the US, Amazon lists it but I note Philip's
warning about their particular print. A search on the Grapevine website
resulted in 'No documents found'. Sinister Cinema seems to have it, but
I don't know anything about them.
My friend in Australia (where I live too) got his earlier
(disappointing) video copy from the US, but I don't know from what
source. I assume that he has already made a thorough search locally. He
isn't online and wants a telephone number or fax number, so that he can
contact the supplier directly himself. (Or just a mailing address would
probably do, once someone has vouched for the quality of the video copy
from that supplier.)
Thanks - Ken.
James Russell
wrote:
>muf...@labyrinth.net.au wrote in message
><3A64ED69...@labyrinth.net.au>...
>>A friend of mine in Australia has a poor quality video of Paul Wegener's
>>THE GOLEM (1920). Can anyone nominate a supplier of a good video copy
>>of the same film? Preferably a supplier without too many hoops to go
>>through before the actual order can be placed. Thanks.
>
>As an Australian myself I was wondering if your friend purchased the film in
>this country or is it from overseas. Im intending to get a copy myself so I
>would like to make sure I have not missed a source in my own country before
>pouring funds into the United States (not that I have anything against them
>personally).
Holy crap, three Australians on the board! :) Unfortunately, having
long searched for a copy of "The Golem" here myself, I think I can
safely say there's no such beast for sale or rent here, and I'm
surprised Force Video hasn't picked it up, given some of the other
silent titles they have. (At which point I should say thanks to
Fernando in Spain for dubbing his copy for me, Spanish titles and
all...)
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Richard Lanham
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http://www.lsvideo.com lists it. They say it comes from a good quality 16 mm
print. I have no personal experience with them.
A few years ago it was on the Sci-Fi channel here in the US.
Rick
Bruce Calvert
http://www.moviesunlimited.com . I don't have it so I can't comment on
the quality.
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muf...@labyrinth.net.au
way to go on this one. Their website gives full information and doesn't
require you to do handstands and backflips before you order. (Pity,
though, that they classify Clair's ENTR'ACTE as part of 'an evening of
Expressionism'!)
- Ken.
Eric Grayson
If LSVideo's print is from the old Bob Lee print, which it probably is,
then the print is probably in physically good condition but rather
contrasty (too black blacks and too white whites). All of the US prints I
have seen of this title are this way, even Eastman House's US release
version (which is cut anyway).
If you're expecting Dave Shepard quality on this title, I think you're
going to be disappointed no matter where you go. I have seen a few minutes
of really excellent material on this film, but it was in an old silent film
documentary. I've got one of the Bob Lee prints myself, and I don't think
I'm likely to find a better one soon.
I note that LSVideo likes to fill up the tapes with as much material as
they can, so it may be that the inclusion of Entr'acte was more because it
fit on the tape than because it was Expressionistic. Of course, we can
argue about what is Expressionism and what isn't until the cows come home.
Pretty soon we'd get Tom Moran involved and it would get really picky about
details and lose all interest for everyone but Tom, so let's not start.
You ought to email the guys at LSVideo to see what they say about Der
Golem.
Eric
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Oh, heck, time to be shameless again:
http://www.mdle.com/ClassicFilms/PhotoGalleryZ/photo157.htm
Mike S.
Glamour Studios
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muf...@labyrinth.net.au
Expressionism').
As for definitions of that term, I value the three-pronged one by John
Willett in his book simply called 'Expressionism' (London: Weidenfeld &
Nicolson 1970). He writes (p. 8) with admirable sense that
Expressionism is normally
1. a family characteristic of modern German art, [film,] literature,
music and theatre, from the turn of the century to the present day.
2. a particular modern German movement [including in film] which lasted
roughly between 1910 and 1922.
3. a quality of expressive emphasis and distortion which may be found in
works of art [including films] of any people or period.
Oh, and thanks to the person who drew our attention to the affinity of
The Golem and Al Gore! Right on!
- Ken.
Jay Schwartz
>If it's Movies Unlimited it'll be either Nostalgia Family(read: Grapevine?)
>or Hollywood's Attic
I haven't 100% verified this lately, but MoviesUnlimited sells several
PD video brands. Their supplier of first choice is Discount Video
(Woody Wise), but they also sell titles from Sinister Cinema, Video
Yesteryear, Video Resources (Ira Gallen), Trailers on Tape, Something
Weird, Walterscheid Productions, Captain Bijou, and others. They used
to sell Videobrary titles but I think they stopped.
And, they sell all of the quality issues from Kino and Milestone also.
Evan
>><3A64ED69...@labyrinth.net.au>...
>>>A friend of mine in Australia has a poor quality video of Paul Wegener's
>>>THE GOLEM (1920). Can anyone nominate a supplier of a good video copy
>>>of the same film? Preferably a supplier without too many hoops to go
>>>through before the actual order can be placed. Thanks.
>>
>>As an Australian myself I was wondering if your friend purchased the film
in
>>this country or is it from overseas. Im intending to get a copy myself so
I
>>would like to make sure I have not missed a source in my own country
before
>>pouring funds into the United States (not that I have anything against
them
>>personally).
>
>Holy crap, three Australians on the board! :) Unfortunately, having
>long searched for a copy of "The Golem" here myself, I think I can
>safely say there's no such beast for sale or rent here, and I'm
>surprised Force Video hasn't picked it up, given some of the other
>silent titles they have. (At which point I should say thanks to
>Fernando in Spain for dubbing his copy for me, Spanish titles and
>all...)
Yeah but if it was Force Video the chances are that it would be the wrong
speed, mismatched music from some "best of classical music" cassette and
blurry image. Still, they occasionally manage to get things right. Thier
print of Last Of The Mohicans must have been from the restoration a couple
of years back because it is magnificent in print quality and the tinting.
Really knocked my socks off, as did the copy of Chaplin's The Gold Rush. But
what can one say about a company that puts out a version of Keaton's The
General that runs just over 100 minutes?!?
Eric Grayson
<mailto:muf...@labyrinth.net.au> wrote:
>Eric, actually ENTR'ACTE is on a separate tape ('An evening of
>Expressionism').
>
>roughly between 1910 and 1922.
>3. a quality of expressive emphasis and distortion which may be found in
>works of art [including films] of any people or period.
I would argue that this 1922 is several years too early to cut this off. I
would also argue that the French surrealism was influenced by German
Expressionism (although the French wouldn't admit it because they like to
be pompous and self-important). The French are the ones who invented SECAM
video just so it wouldn't be the same as what everyone else was using in
Europe.
If we say that the surrealism was started by Dali later in the 20s and that
the expressionism in Germany was dead by 1922, then what the hell IS
Entr'Acte? In a lot of ways it's a throwback to Melies and Zecca and looks
a lot like what it seems to be--a long camera test prepping for Crazy Ray.
But just so Connie K. doesn't start saying "diegesis" and Tom Moran doesn't
start quoting Proust about stale coffee, let's all start a letter campaign
to LSVideo and ask them to change the name of their tape from "An Evening
of Expression" to "A Bunch of Really Weird Short Films."
Eric
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>
> The best copy of THE GOLEM I've seen played on German tv in 1995.
Great clarity, good music. Unfortunately, the station logo appears on
top of the screen throughout.
Cal
Fernando da Galiza
> Holy crap, three Australians on the board! :) Unfortunately, having
> long searched for a copy of "The Golem" here myself, I think I can
> safely say there's no such beast for sale or rent here, and I'm
> surprised Force Video hasn't picked it up, given some of the other
> silent titles they have. (At which point I should say thanks to
> Fernando in Spain for dubbing his copy for me, Spanish titles and
> all...)
Er... it is always a pleasure to make bootlegged film
copies... ;O)))))
Greetings.
Fernando. Galiza.
Bruce Calvert
pre...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Oh, heck, time to be shameless again:
>
> http://www.mdle.com/ClassicFilms/PhotoGalleryZ/photo157.htm
Now we know why Al was so stiff in that second debate. ;>)
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Stephen Cooke
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Bruce Calvert wrote:
> In article <945f1e$7g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> pre...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > Oh, heck, time to be shameless again:
> >
> > http://www.mdle.com/ClassicFilms/PhotoGalleryZ/photo157.htm
>
> Now we know why Al was so stiff in that second debate. ;>)
Are you sure it was the Hebrew word for "life" that he had carved in his
forehead?
Stephen
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Problem is, you can't find anything in the catalogue that tells you who
produced the video in question. Same thing with Critics Choice. I bought
two titles from them. One was on their own label and looks pristine. The
other was from Nostalgia Family Video and looks horrible. Both cost the
same.
Eric Stott
Michael Gebert
Well, here's a way to tell:
Order directly from the ones you trust, like Kino, Milestone, Grapevine,
LS, Unknown, etc.
If none of them offer it, but Movies Unlimited does anyway, it must be junk.
Incidentally-- Walterscheid Productions? You mean the guy who made the
legendary (if you grew up in Wichita Kansas) King Kung Fu, as well as the
legendary (likewise) commercials with Tom "Major Astro" Leahy as John
Wayne (making him the only person ever to make a living being a John Wayne
imitator by day and Boris Karloff, that is, the creature feature Host of
Nightmare, by night?)
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Feuillade
> muf...@labyrinth.net.au
><mailto:muf...@labyrinth.net.au> wrote:
>> Eric, actually ENTR'ACTE is on
>> a separate tape ('An evening of
>> Expressionism').
>> 2. a particular modern
>> German movement [including in
>> film] which lasted
>> roughly between 1910 and 1922.
>> 3. a quality of expressive emphasis
>> and distortion which may be found
>> in works of art [including films] of
>> any people or period.
> I would argue that this 1922 is
> several years too early to cut this
> off. I would also argue that the
> French surrealism was influenced
> by German Expressionism (although
> the French wouldn't admit it
> because they like to be pompous
> and self-important).
They wouldn't admit it because it wouldn't be true.
<snip>
> If we say that the surrealism was
> started by Dali later in the 20s [...]
If we said that, we would be incorrect.
Dali had nothing to do with the origins of Surrealism, which was an outgrowth
of the Dadaist movement. Andre Breton, not Dali, is usually considered the
father of Surrealism.
<snip>
> But just so Connie K. doesn't
> start saying "diegesis" and Tom
> Moran doesn't start quoting Proust
> about stale coffee, [...]
Tea, not coffee. Proust is not famous for coffee. He is famous for tea, and
the madeleine ("...the little scallop-shell of pastry, so richly sensual under
its severe, religious folds...") that he dunked into it.
*Do* try to get these things right.
Tom Moran
Eric Grayson
>*Do* try to get these things right.
See what happens when it gets to this, folks?
amik...@my-deja.com
the University of Florida (gainesville) has a copy in their library.
In article <3A64ED69...@labyrinth.net.au>,
muf...@labyrinth.net.au wrote:
> A friend of mine in Australia has a poor quality video of Paul
Wegener's
> THE GOLEM (1920). Can anyone nominate a supplier of a good video copy
> of the same film? Preferably a supplier without too many hoops to go
> through before the actual order can be placed. Thanks.
>
> - Ken.
Feuillade
> Feuillade <mailto:feui...@aol.com> wrote:
>> *Do* try to get these things right.
> See what happens when it gets to this, folks?
Well, if you would just get your facts right the first time, I wouldn't have to
chide you, would I?
Tom Moran
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Darren
> then the print is probably in physically good condition but rather
> contrasty (too black blacks and too white whites). All of the US prints I
> have seen of this title are this way, even Eastman House's US release
> version (which is cut anyway).
>
> If you're expecting Dave Shepard quality on this title, I think you're
> going to be disappointed no matter where you go. I have seen a few minutes
> of really excellent material on this film, but it was in an old silent film
> documentary. I've got one of the Bob Lee prints myself, and I don't think
> I'm likely to find a better one soon.
I saw a 35mm print 2 years ago in Sainaw, I think it was. and the print was the
same as you stated.
Have a nice day, :)
Darren Nemeth
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