[question] Godzilla's name
Dave
I recall reading somewhere (G-Fan maybe) that Gojira was named by his
"creator" after a Toho employee at the time, but I just read a web page
where some guy (Gabe Ireton) claims he named Godzilla as a teen living in
Japan. His story sounds very fake to me for several reasons but what the
hell do I know.
The web page URL is:
http://www.jungle.com/msattler/culture/humor/non-geek/origin-of-godzillas-name.html
if you want to look at it.
Dave
Matthew Alt
<cur...@macbeth.com> writes:
>You know enough. Gojira was named for a burly stagehand. The word is a
>combination of the Japanese words for whale and (I think) gorilla.
"Gorira" (Gorilla) + "Kujira" (Whale) = Gojira! Easy as 1,2,3.....
-Matt
THOMAS A. MEININGER
The best monster (next to Godzilla of course!) has to be King
Ghidorah. He is easily Godzilla's worst enemy and most powerful
opponent, giving Godzilla a run for his money a number of times.
Ghidorah is also a very evil, sinister villian making you wish Godzilla
defeats him in the end. I heard that in the new Mothra movie being
made in Japan, Mothra's opponent will be King Ghidorah with some of his
heads replaced by skeletons and will be callled "Death Ghidorah." I
hope King Ghidorah *CRUSHES* Mothra like the bug she is! I also heard
that the new TriStar Godzilla film is scheduled to be released in 1998.
There is also rumors that Brad Pitt will star in the movie. While I
don't particularily care for Brad Pitt his presence will help the
Godzilla film greatly. Does anybody out there have anymore up to date
news on the current status of TriStar's Godzilla film.
*********GODZILLA RULES!****************
-JASON
Bryant C. Smith
the most powerful kaiju(except for Godzilla and maybe MechaGodzilla),
but the new King Ghidorah was a wuss compared to the power boosted
King of the Monsters(but Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah is one of my
favoritesof the new series). Although it will be good to see Mothra
get smashed. Hey maybe Toho can stick in a suprize apperance by
Godzilla II to save her fuzzy butt. Well just a little wishful
thinking and my .02 cents worth.
Bryant Smith
THOMAS A. MEININGER
Wait a minute! In Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, King Ghidorah had
Godzilla in *BIG* trouble and if it were not for the good guys
destroying that master control computer, Ghidorah may have won.
Although Mecha-Godzilla is very powerful, he would lose in a one on one
fight with Ghidorah. Ghidorah is too big, fast, and powerful and
Mecha-Godzilla's robotic structure would fall apart under the stress of
Ghidorah's eltro rays.
THOMAS A. MEININGER
writes:
>
>In article <4igico$i...@cloner2.ix.netcom.com>, godz...@ix.netcom.c
Wait a minute! In Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, King
Ghidorah had Godzilla in *BIG* trouble and if it were not for the good
guys destroying that master control computer,
I dunno, Godzilla to me was in the lead!!
If you recall, King Ghidorah had just knocked Godzilla down and was
jumping on top of him. I don't call this a lead for Godzilla! In fact,
with the exception of a few blasts of radioactive breath, Godzilla had
not mounted much offense up to this point.
Although Mecha-Godzilla is very powerful, he would lose in a one on one
fight with Ghidorah. Ghidorah is too big, fast, and powerful and
Mecha-Godzilla's robotic structure would fall apart under the stress of
Ghidorah's eltro rays.
Well remember MechaGodzilla is made of artifical diamond and could
repel Godzilla's radiation breath!! I bet MechaGodzilla could repel
those ceap yello lightning rods of King Ghidrah!!
I wouldn't call those yellow electric rays cheap, in fact they are
quite powerful in their own right. How is MechaGodzilla going to hit
Ghidorah with it when he's flying circles around him? MechaGodzilla is
also very slow and would have much more trouble fighting King Ghidorah
than Godzilla because Ghidorah is faster, larger, and can fly. Besides,
how do you know MechaGodzilla's Plasma armor could absorb Ghidorah's
electro rays? It may not have been designed to absord electricty! While
MechaGodzilla is preparing it's weapons, King Ghidorah would crash into
him and *CRUSH* MechaGodzilla. Also, Ghidorah doesn't over heat in
battle! I bet we can both agree on one thing though....Godzilla can
beat them both!
>
>What I wish would happen is the old King Ghidrah vs. The new King
Ghidrah!! I bet the old one would win because it didn't use Rodan's
roar!!!
I agree, King Ghidorah's old roar RULED! His new roar does sound
like Rodan's and I don't particularly care for it. His old roar made
him sound more scary and powerful. Thanks for the response!
>shado1
>
Robert Dollase
: Wait a minute! In Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, King Ghidorah had
: Godzilla in *BIG* trouble and if it were not for the good guys
: destroying that master control computer, Ghidorah may have won.
: Although Mecha-Godzilla is very powerful, he would lose in a one on one
: fight with Ghidorah. Ghidorah is too big, fast, and powerful and
: Mecha-Godzilla's robotic structure would fall apart under the stress of
: Ghidorah's eltro rays.
But don't forget- if not for Rodan's supernatural intervention,
Mecha-Godzilla's paralyzer would have finished Godzilla. Even if
Mecha-Godzilla were facing off against MECHA-Ghidora, Mecha-Godzilla
would have this great advantage...also, Ghidora's fighting style is too
unorganized without external control.
Mr. X
>
>
>
> Wait a minute! In Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, King Ghidorah had
>Godzilla in *BIG* trouble and if it were not for the good guys
>destroying that master control computer,
I dunno, Godzilla to me was in the lead!!
>Ghidorah may have won.
>Although Mecha-Godzilla is very powerful, he would lose in a one on one
>fight with Ghidorah. Ghidorah is too big, fast, and powerful and
>Mecha-Godzilla's robotic structure would fall apart under the stress of
>Ghidorah's eltro rays.
>
>
Well remember MechaGodzilla is made of artifical diamond and could repel
Godzilla's radiation breath!! I bet MechaGodzilla could repel those ceap
yello lightning rods of King Ghidrah!!
What I wish would happen is the old King Ghidrah vs. The new King Ghidrah!!
I bet the old one would win because it didn't use Rodan's roar!!!
shado1
Brian A. LaRoche
Wouldn't it be cool if this happened. Grant, Sadler, and the kids are
about to get eaten by those raptors, but what happens, in comes t-rex.
But then t-rex chases the people back outside, until he runs into the
King of Monsters himself, Godzilla. There is this scrawny little t-rex
looking straight up at this 400 feet monster. maybe Godzilla and co.
could move from Monster Island to Jurassic Park.
see ya
THOMAS A. MEININGER
But don't forget- if not for Rodan's supernatural intervention,
Mecha-Godzilla's paralyzer would have finished Godzilla. Even if
Mecha-Godzilla were facing off against MECHA-Ghidora, Mecha-Godzilla
would have this great advantage...also, Ghidora's fighting style is too
unorganized without external control.
I will agree that MechaGodzilla is a stronger opponent than King
Ghidorah in the NEW series. However, in the OLD series, King Ghidorah
was easily the most powerful opponent. I was a little dissappointed
that they had King Ghidorah killed off so easily in the new film. In
the 60s and 70s, Godzilla could only defeat King Ghidorah with the help
of Rodan, Mothra, or Angilas. In fact, King Ghidorah actally defeated
both Godzilla and Rodan in Godzilla vs Monster 0! If the new King
Ghidorah had the power, strength, and fighting skills of the old
Ghidorah we all know and love from the 60s(not to mention his old
roar!), I have no doubt that King Ghidorah would easily defeat
Mecha-Godzilla. In fact, I believe it would be a mismatch! Your right,
King Ghidorah's fight style is unorganized: That's what made him so
deadly in the OLD series, wouldn't you agree?
As for Mecha-King Ghidorah, I don't see how MechaGodzilla could
have any real BIG advantage because he's made from the same
technowledgy. That fight would be interesting indeed. As for Rodan
saving Godzilla, I have a feeling that Godzilla would have still
survived somehow and end up defeating MechaGodzilla anyways(Godzilla
always finds a way to come back!). Anyways, did you hear about the
Tristar Godzilla film? It looks like it may finally get made, I can't
wait! I'm axnious to see Godzilla do battle with the Gryphon( which has
the body of a lion and the head of a hawk!). Later!
-JASON-
Robert Dollase
Organization: Exec-PC
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THOMAS A. MEININGER (godz...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: But don't forget- if not for Rodan's supernatural intervention,
: -JASON-
You are right that the chaotic nature of Ghidora's attacks is one of the
most frightening things about him...those heads flying around willy nilly
shooting electric arcs all over the place. However I didn't care much
for the hair on the old Ghidora, even if it does more closely approximate
a traditional asian dragon. As for new Mecha-Godzilla vs Mecha-Ghidora,
the reason I think that Mecha Godzilla might have the edge is because
Mecha-Ghidora is largely organic, this making him susceptible to
Mecha-Godzilla's paralyzer.
I hope that they don't have a second monster in the Tristar movie...first
time around, just meeting a 500 foot atomic monster should be enough. I
do enjoy Godzilla's battles with his foes but generally the more foes,
and the more outlandish they are, the weaker the films get, in the old
and new series.
If they make any new ones in Japan with Godzilla Jr, they should bring in
Angilus. Or go all the way and bring back Monster Island--and remake
'Destroy All Monsters'!!
Mr. X
>
>
>In fact, King Ghidorah actally defeated
>both Godzilla and Rodan in Godzilla vs Monster 0!
That's not true!! King Ghidrah got off his ass (from underwater that G
and Rodan slammed into him) and flew away pretty fast!! If I recall that
water, GODZILLA and RODAN were pretty pissed off because the whites wouldn't
let up!! The same goes for King Kong? Did he win or was that fat ape (who
lays big shits!) running away??? I think he was running away!! In the
Japanese version of KK vs. G, Kong lost, Godzilla rose!
shado1
Clifton W. Prescod, Jr.
would win against MechaGodzilla. And the answer is pretty simple:
time. MechaGodzilla is based on technology that the humans of this
time period are able to discern from the remains of the MechaGhidorah,
but it is completely unrealistic that MGodzilla would win. That's
like saying if the 1940's US Army Air Corp got a hold of the blown-up
Sikorsky chopper in Final Countdown they would be able to build a
comparable aircraft. Doubtful. They could improve on their existing
technologies, but would be unable to build something that is equal to
superior to what we have today. There are numerous other technologies
that would have to be mastered just to create many of the tiniest
systems (ICs at the least), let alone integrate them together. They
might be able to understand some of the workings, but not the enough
to make a difference.
Here's a final thought: If the G-Force or the JSDF were able to
complete decipher the technology content of MGhidorah, they would have
integrated the time travel device into MGodzilla and destroyed the
creature(s) they recently had to deal with BEFORE the monsters had a
chance to attack.
But just to throw logic to the wind, it would be a nice fight,
although MOGERA might be a better opponent (better fight and flight
capabilities and more firepower to boot).
godz...@ix.netcom.com(THOMAS A. MEININGER ) wrote:
>But don't forget- if not for Rodan's supernatural intervention,
>Mecha-Godzilla's paralyzer would have finished Godzilla. Even if
>Mecha-Godzilla were facing off against MECHA-Ghidora, Mecha-Godzilla
>would have this great advantage...also, Ghidora's fighting style is too
>unorganized without external control.
> I will agree that MechaGodzilla is a stronger opponent than King
>Ghidorah in the NEW series. However, in the OLD series, King Ghidorah
>was easily the most powerful opponent. I was a little dissappointed
>that they had King Ghidorah killed off so easily in the new film. In
>the 60s and 70s, Godzilla could only defeat King Ghidorah with the help
>of Rodan, Mothra, or Angilas. In fact, King Ghidorah actally defeated
Eric Castle
(Mr. X) wrote:
The same goes for King Kong? Did he win or was that fat ape (who
> lays big shits!) running away??? I think he was running away!! In the
> Japanese version of KK vs. G, Kong lost, Godzilla rose!
>
> shado1
Wrong! I have the Japanese laserdisc of King Kong vs Godzilla and its the
same ending as the american version. Kong swims off. Godzilla does not
reappear. AGAIN, there were not TWO endings.
--
Eric
eric_...@taligent.com
THOMAS A. MEININGER
Prescod, Jr.) writes:
>
>Despite having organic content, it is most likely that MechaGhidorah
>would win against MechaGodzilla. And the answer is pretty simple:
>time. MechaGodzilla is based on technology that the humans of this
>time period are able to discern from the remains of the MechaGhidorah,
>but it is completely unrealistic that MGodzilla would win. That's
>like saying if the 1940's US Army Air Corp got a hold of the blown-up
>Sikorsky chopper in Final Countdown they would be able to build a
>comparable aircraft. Doubtful. They could improve on their existing
>technologies, but would be unable to build something that is equal to
>superior to what we have today. There are numerous other technologies
>that would have to be mastered just to create many of the tiniest
>systems (ICs at the least), let alone integrate them together. They
>might be able to understand some of the workings, but not the enough
>to make a difference.
>
>Here's a final thought: If the G-Force or the JSDF were able to
>complete decipher the technology content of MGhidorah, they would have
>integrated the time travel device into MGodzilla and destroyed the
>creature(s) they recently had to deal with BEFORE the monsters had a
>chance to attack.
>
>But just to throw logic to the wind, it would be a nice fight,
>although MOGERA might be a better opponent (better fight and flight
>capabilities and more firepower to boot).
RIGHT ON! I agree with you 100%. I prefer King Ghidorah in his
regular state though, this is when he's at his most powerful. I was a
little dissappointed that he was killed off so easily in Godzilla vs
King Ghidorah. In the old series he was one of the few opponents
Godzilla could never really defeat on his own, and Godzilla needed the
help of either Rodan, Mothra, or Angilas( and one time Gorosaurus!) to
over come his most powerful foe. If the new King Ghidorah had his old
charactoristics of the 60s and 70s(not to mention his old roar!), he
would CRUSH MechaGodzilla with ease. Also, King Ghidorah (and
Mecha-King Ghidorah) does not overheat in battle! MechaGodzilla pretty
much just stands around shoot lazers and after awhile his fighting
style gets predictable. King Ghidorah, on the other hand, has a crazy,
unpredictable, furious attack pattern that makes him easily the most
deadly opponent for Godzilla. If King Ghidorah is his old self in the
new Mothra movie he's rumored to be in, Mothra is in BIG trouble!
Later!
-JASON-
>
>
>
Frederick J. Barnett
>see ya
I don't know. I still haven't quite got used to the "Bambi vs.
Godzilla" idea of several years ago. :-)
Frederick J. Barnett
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Clifton W. Prescod, Jr.
I thought I saw a posting somewhere which says that the Japanese
version ends with Kong swimming off, but you hear Godzilla's roar
(kinda of like "I kicked your butt so get your berry drinking face out
of here")
Is there such a roar on your disc. And is this the true Japanese
version, not just a Japanese pressing of the variant film.
Thanks for the info,
Clif
Alan Winterrowd
>In article <4itejs$t...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, sha...@ix.netcom.com
>(Mr. X) wrote:
> The same goes for King Kong? Did he win or was that fat ape (who
>> lays big shits!) running away??? I think he was running away!! In the
>> Japanese version of KK vs. G, Kong lost, Godzilla rose!
>>
>> shado1
>Wrong! I have the Japanese laserdisc of King Kong vs Godzilla and its the
>same ending as the american version. Kong swims off. Godzilla does not
>reappear. AGAIN, there were not TWO endings.
I was under the impression that in the Japanese version you hear
Godzilla's roar at the end, implying that he had reappeared. Have you
checked the two endings sounds?
>--
>Eric
>eric_...@taligent.com
Alan Winterrowd
awint...@ssi.parlorcity.com
"Those who rob Peter to pay Paul can usually count on Pauls vote"
Eric Castle
(Clifton W. Prescod, Jr.) wrote:
> Eric,
> I thought I saw a posting somewhere which says that the Japanese
> version ends with Kong swimming off, but you hear Godzilla's roar
> (kinda of like "I kicked your butt so get your berry drinking face out
> of here")
>
> Is there such a roar on your disc. And is this the true Japanese
> version, not just a Japanese pressing of the variant film.
>
> Thanks for the info,
> Clif
>
I don't remember any Godzilla roar at the end but I'll check my disc
tonight and see. I have the Toho Japanese version (no dubbing or
subtitles) which is as true a version as you can get. Anyway I'll post
tomorrow and let you know about the ending.
--
Eric
eric_...@taligent.com
JAH364
version, not just a Japanese pressing of the variant film.<<
My subtitled copy from disk has the roar. It does not sound doctored.
From all written info I've seen (video watchdog, G-fan, etc) this was in
the original Japanese film version.
Eric Castle
(Alan Winterrowd) wrote:
> eric_...@taligent.com (Eric Castle) wrote:
>
> >In article <4itejs$t...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, sha...@ix.netcom.com
> >(Mr. X) wrote:
>
> > The same goes for King Kong? Did he win or was that fat ape (who
> >> lays big shits!) running away??? I think he was running away!! In the
> >> Japanese version of KK vs. G, Kong lost, Godzilla rose!
> >>
> >> shado1
>
>
> >Wrong! I have the Japanese laserdisc of King Kong vs Godzilla and its the
> >same ending as the american version. Kong swims off. Godzilla does not
> >reappear. AGAIN, there were not TWO endings.
>
> I was under the impression that in the Japanese version you hear
> Godzilla's roar at the end, implying that he had reappeared. Have you
> checked the two endings sounds?
>
OK. I checked my laserdisc of King Kong vs Godzilla last night and there
is a Godzilla roar at the end when The End? in Japanese is displayed. But,
after Godzilla's roar, King Kong also roars. So I guess it implies
Godzilla is still alive too and Kong gives him an answering roar. Or,
Toho just wanted to have the two monsters roar at the end for some
reason. However, the basic ending is still the same as the U.S. ending,
it just has these roars which occur at the very end of the movie. Godzilla
does not reappear. Kong Swims off. As for who wins, I don't know. How do
you classify who wins when the monsters dissappear below the ocean? If
you count Mothra as winning in Godzilla vs Mothra ('64) then you'd have to
say King Kong won. If you don't think falling into the ocean and not
reappearing is losing then Godzilla didn't lose against Kong or Mothra, or
King Ghidorah in Monster Zero.
But the original poster's comment that Godzilla rose again at the end is
wrong. Also Kong definately didn't lose. It was either a tie or Kong won
that round. Take your pick.
side note: The music in KK vs Godzilla is excellent. Too bad the U.S.
version gets rid of most of it in favor of using stock Universal? music.
Plus the movie looks to be letterboxed at 2:35:1 and you lose a lot of
info with Pan and Scan.
Time to order a subtitled japanese version of this movie so I can know
what the characters are saying.
--
Eric
eric_...@taligent.com
Stan G. Hyde
> I don't remember any Godzilla roar at the end but I'll check my disc
> tonight and see. I have the Toho Japanese version (no dubbing or
> subtitles) which is as true a version as you can get. Anyway I'll post
> tomorrow and let you know about the ending.
Yes, Godzilla DOES ROAR at the end of the Japanese version of the tape,
but otherwise the ending is exactly the same (4sJ's urban legend story
about Godzilla winning is untrue, but boy a lot of people have emotion
invested in it. I do a lot of presentations about Godzilla at SF cons,
and have been called a liar -in fairly rude terms- for telling people
there is only one ending. In fact, it got so bad that I carried a dub
tape of the Japanese version to convince rude fans. Two years ago, when I
was moderating a panel on B-Films with a writer named Ric Myers who
trotted out the old "there are two endings to KING KONG VERSUS GODZILLA
story. When I corrected him we almost came to blows . . . )
Best, Stan