OT last night Chicago based radio show Stanley Kurtz on Obama/Ayres connection.
kelpzoidzl
Chicago Radio Show, Milton Rosenberg and guest Stanley Kurtz (National
Review), last night, regarding Obama ties to William Ayres and calls
from Obama Koolaid drinkers, trying to silence the discussion.
http://caster.wgnradio.com/podcasts/x720full-043-080827.mp3
The entire article "Senator Stealth" in the national review,
apparently can only be accessed by subscribing to National Review.
Somethings happening here and what it is ain't exactly clear.
I remember my disgust at how the ultra left pretty much wrecked the
more moderate peace movemsnts of the 60's--
the Weathermen and their ilk were as bad or worse then the hawks in
Washington.
The connections with George Soros are also of concern as are those
connections with Rezko
I'm not drinking this Kool-Aid.
I think the clinton's know what is going to happen as The republican
bring all this out and will be distancing themselves. As for
Gore.....I think he's too wrapped in his own concerns to see what's
happening.
I'm not going to vote for him but McCain will be President---unless
something drastic happens quick and Obama's nomination is
canncelled.
Of course McCain and the Republican's knew they couldn't beat
Hillary, so they are waiting till the nomination of Obama to be
complete to really get the ball rolling.
dc
kelpzoidzl
Harry Bailey
> "Voice of Chicago"
>
> Chicago Radio Show, Milton Rosenberg and guest Stanley Kurtz (National
> Review), last night, regarding Obama ties to William Ayres and calls
> from Obama Koolaid drinkers, trying to silence the discussion.
>
> http://caster.wgnradio.com/podcasts/x720full-043-080827.mp3
>
> The entire article "Senator Stealth" in the national review,
> apparently can only be accessed by subscribing to National Review.
The National Review, the Mein Kampf of US imperialism and neo-
fascism ...
>
> Somethings happening here and what it is ain't exactly clear.
>
> I remember my disgust at how the ultra left pretty much wrecked the
> more moderate peace movemsnts of the 60's--
No, the 'moderate peace movements' abandoned progressive political
engagement for atomistic, anti-social consumer capitalism.
>
> I'm not going to vote for him but McCain will be President---unless
> something drastic happens quick and Obama's nomination is
> canncelled.
So, um, the unhinged, psychotic, mass-murdering butcher and Hitlerian
war criminal Bush isn't sufficiently psychotic, unhinged, and blood-
lusting for present 'tastes' : America wants a REAL Adolf Hitler clone
- the demented (Bush times 1,000) McCain ??????
The fact is that the majority of Americans are COMPLETELY ignorant
(with much of the rest indifferent, including the smug Democrats)
about what is going on in the world, including in the US: the country
is economically bankrupt, the most bankrupt in world history, and
getting worse, while clinging to, and taking refuge in, a dangerously
unhinged global military gangsterism (invading and threatening
countries throughout the world, with no purpose other than sociopathic
and racist intimidation, murderous slaughter, and ruling class
plunder) and police-state fascism.
We've seen this happen elsewhere before, and we know all too
depressingly well where it all leads ... only, this time it might be
even worse ...
[And in other news:
The Financial Times and the “Self-Confessed Mastermind of 9/11”
By James Petras
28/08/08 -- - In recent days there is mounting evidence of the
advance of totalitarianism in the political and media mainstream. The
entire Western world, led by the United States, has embraced a
Georgian regime, which invaded South Ossetia totally demolishing its
capital city of 50,000 residents, assassinated 1500 men, women and
children and dozens of Russian peace keepers. The US has mobilized a
naval and air armada off the Iranian coast, prepared to annihilate a
country of 70 million people. The New York Times published an essay by
a prominent Israeli historian, which advocates the nuclear
incineration of Iran. All the major mass media have mounted a
systematic propaganda campaign against China, supporting each and
every terrorist and separatist group, and whipping up public opinion
in favor of launching a New Cold War. There is little doubt that this
new wave of imperial aggression and bellicose rhetoric is meant to
deflect domestic discontent and distract public opinion from the
deepening economic crises.
The Financial Times (FT), once the liberal, enlightened voice of the
financial elite (in contrast to the aggressively neo-conservative Wall
Street Journal) has yielded to the totalitarian-militarist temptation.
The feature article of the weekend supplement of August 16/17, 2008 –
“The Face of 9/11” – embraces the forced confession of a 9/11 suspect
elicited through 5 years of hideous torture in the confines of secret
prisons. To make their case, the FT published a half-page blow-up
photo first circulated by former CIA director George Tenet, which
presents a bound, disheveled, dazed, hairy ape-like prisoner. The text
of the writer, one Demetri Sevastopulo, admits as much: The FT owns up
to being a propaganda vehicle for a CIA program to discredit the
suspect while he stands trial based on confessions obtained through
torture.
From beginning to end, the article categorically states that the
principle defendant, Khalet Sheikh Mohammed, is the “self-confessed
mastermind of the September 11 attacks on the US.” The first half of
the article is full of trivia, designed to provide a human-interest
feel to the courtroom and the proceedings – a bizarre mixture
discussing Khaled’s nose to the size of the courtroom.
The central point of departure for the FT’s conviction of the suspect
is Khaled’s confession, his ‘desire for martyrdom’, his assumption of
his own defense and his reciting the Koran. The crucial piece of the
Government’s case is Khaled’s confession. All the other ‘evidence’ was
circumstantial, hearsay and based on inferences derived from Khaled’s
attendance at overseas meetings.
The FT’s principle source of information, an anonymous informant
“familiar with the CIA interrogation program” states categorically two
crucial facts: (1) How little the CIA had known about him before his
arrest (my emphasis) and (2) that Khaled held out longer than the
others.
In other words, the CIA’s only real evidence was extracted by torture
(the CIA admitted to ‘water boarding’ – an infamous torture technique
inducing near death from drowning). The fact that Khaled repeatedly
denied the accusations and that he only confessed after 5 years of
torture in secret prisons renders the entire prosecution a case study
in totalitarian jurisprudence. Having been subjected to unspeakable
torture by US judicial investigators, facing accusations based on a
confession extracted through torture, it is no wonder that Khaled
refused a court appointed military lawyer – a lawyer who is part of a
system of secret prisons, torture and ‘show trials’. Rather than
portray Khaled as a fanatic seeking martyrdom for rejecting a lawyer,
we must recognize that he is completely in his right mind to at least
preserve the limited space and time allocated to him to state his
beliefs and to relate his willingness to die for those beliefs.
Confessions extracted from torture, have no validity in any court,
especially after 5 years of solitary confinement. What the FT calls
“the super terrorist” based on his stated “desire for martyrdom” is
the admission of an individual who has suffered beyond human endurance
and looks to death to end his horrible sub-human existence.
The FT’s embrace of the CIA and military’s coerced evidence and
therefore their use of torture, puts them squarely in the camp of the
totalitarian state. The right-turn of the FT mirrors the European turn
toward US military confrontation with Russia, and the military build-
up in Poland, the Czech Republic, Kosovo, Iraq and Georgia. The FT by
legitimizing torture has opened the door to making totalitarian
judicial practices, arbitrary arrests, secret prisons, prolonged
solitary confinement, torture, show trials and cover-up feature
stories part of normal Western political life. Genteel British fascism
is no less ugly than its blustery US version.
kelpzoidzl
> On Aug 29, 2:16 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Voice of Chicago"
>
> > Chicago Radio Show, Milton Rosenberg and guest Stanley Kurtz (National
> > Review), last night, regarding Obama ties to William Ayres and calls
> > from Obama Koolaid drinkers, trying to silence the discussion.
>
> >http://caster.wgnradio.com/podcasts/x720full-043-080827.mp3
>
> > The entire article "Senator Stealth" in the national review,
> > apparently can only be accessed by subscribing to National Review.
>
> The National Review, the Mein Kampf of US imperialism and neo-
> fascism ...
That was the old days...now it's just talk. The hard core right wing
thinks it's gone soft.
>
> > Somethings happening here and what it is ain't exactly clear.
>
> > I remember my disgust at how the ultra left pretty much wrecked the
> > more moderate peace movemsnts of the 60's--
>
> No, the 'moderate peace movements' abandoned progressive political
> engagement for atomistic, anti-social consumer capitalism.
Yeah, because the weathermen types and the militant activists, riots
and Charlie Manson popped the already fragile 60's bubble---so all
those peace and love young people who might have developed something
returned to their state of sonambulence and powerlessness and all of
them had babies and all that miserable stuff. So time to pay bills.
> > I'm not going to vote for him but McCain will be President---unless
> > something drastic happens quick and Obama's nomination is
> > canncelled.
>
> So, um, the unhinged, psychotic, mass-murdering butcher and Hitlerian
> war criminal Bush isn't sufficiently psychotic, unhinged, and blood-
> lusting for present 'tastes' : America wants a REAL Adolf Hitler clone
> - the demented (Bush times 1,000) McCain ??????
This is way overstated---it's all bad yes, and yes America will vote
McCain when they discover their Obama Messiah lied to them and is just
as sleazy as the rest of them. With MCCain, they will say "I don't
agree with him, but at least he isn't a liar." Whether true or not
that is the perception of McCain.
If you listend to that mp3 file you heard Stankey Kurtz refer to the
Obama koolaid as fascist and the callers, truly were drones kool-aid
drinkers.
> > The fact is that the majority of Americans are COMPLETELY ignorant
> (with much of the rest indifferent, including the smug Democrats)
> about what is going on in the world, including in the US: the country
> is economically bankrupt, the most bankrupt in world history, and
> getting worse, while clinging to, and taking refuge in, a dangerously
> unhinged global military gangsterism (invading and threatening
> countries throughout the world, with no purpose other than sociopathic
> and racist intimidation, murderous slaughter, and ruling class
> plunder) and police-state fascism.
I agree with all of that except blaming it on the US per se.. The
real powers that be have no allegiances to the US or any other
country......and this applies to either right or left--both fascistic,
both are their core obsessed with crazy ideology. Both sides joined
at the hip and it's all about manipulation.
>
> We've seen this happen elsewhere before, and we know all too
> depressingly well where it all leads ... only, this time it might be
> even worse ...
Depends which brand of crazyness you want to vote for or
prefer.......the madness of ultra left or the lethargy of the more
boring right. Either side is brainwashed into a stupor one being like
a speed stupor and one like a valium/alcohol stupor. The middle way
becomes obscured.
In the mental wards out of self-preservation, staff much prefer the
heavily drugged and stuperous ones to the manics, because they were
somewhat less capable of surprises.
And the Soros connection to Georgia is quite interesting to read.
Somewhere I read someone say "It's the Rockefellers and the
Rothschilds, fighting over the sterring wheel."
dc
kelpzoidzl
>
> - Show quoted text -
Now isn't THIS interesting.
McCain picks the ultimate American MOM.
Mommy Help us!
dc
kelpzoidzl
kelpzoidzl
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/231/palinbeautyqueenan9.jpg
LOL...she has my vote
dc
Harry Bailey
Hilarious. Maybe it's the Alaskan cold, but she's (Alaska Gov Palin)
already coming across as a kind of Calamity Jane famileeee values
reactionary posing as a feminist: in response to Hillary Clinton's
disappointed supporters chanting "Because of Hillary there are
18,000,000 cracks in that glass ceiling!" McCain's new gal (well, at
44, that makes her about half his age ...) announces in her acceptance
speech that she wants to shoot up and blow away that same ceiling!
It's become a black comedy, so shamelessly cynical and calculating
it's laugh-out-loud farcical.
"Now, the truth is not always a pleasant thing, but it is necessary
now make a choice, to choose between two admittedly regrettable, but
nevertheless, distinguishable post-election environments: one where
you got no cracks in the glass ceiling, and the other where you
18,000,000 cracks .... Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get
our hair mussed. But I do say... no more than ten to twelve million
glass-splintered heads, tops. Uh... depended on the breaks."
ichorwhip
<a whole lotta snip>
> Now isn't THIS interesting.
>
> > McCain picks the ultimate American MOM.
>
> > Mommy Help us!
>
> > dc-
>
> Hilarious. Maybe it's the Alaskan cold, but she's (Alaska Gov Palin)
> already coming across as a kind of Calamity Jane famileeee values
> reactionary posing as a feminist: in response to Hillary Clinton's
> disappointed supporters chanting "Because of Hillary there are
> 18,000,000 cracks in that glass ceiling!" McCain's new gal (well, at
> 44, that makes her about half his age ...) announces in her acceptance
> speech that she wants to shoot up and blow away that same ceiling!
> It's become a black comedy, so shamelessly cynical and calculating
> it's laugh-out-loud farcical.
Let's take stock now.... Governor Palin (any relation to Michael
Palin?) is in favor of polar bear genocide, isn't the Walrus("Do a
pooh, pooh!), likes pipelines and inhaled pot, is up with Down kids,
wouldn't abort a sperm as all are sacred (sort of confirms that Python
reference eh?), fishes like Ishmael, fires people who don't do her
bidding making her parenthetically ethical, married to an Aleut- the
First Dude, and won 2nd prize in a beauty contest and collected 10
dollars.
Add her to the plutocracy at once, she's perfect!
"Excellent. sHe's enterprising, aggressive, outgoing. Young. Bold.
Viscious. sHe'll do."
i
"piop"
kelpzoidzl
LOL......
Hell it makes me want to move to Alaska.
dc
kelpzoidzl
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is appropriate
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=j2nJn6rZdtI&feature=related
dc
kelpzoidzl
"Anybody who hunts moose at 3 in the morning is high on my list"
Senator Lindsey Graham
Harry Bailey
> On Aug 29, 3:30 pm, Harry Bailey <unhomedivis...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <a whole lotta snip>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Now isn't THIS interesting.
>
> > > McCain picks the ultimate American MOM.
>
> > > Mommy Help us!
>
> > > dc-
>
> > Hilarious. Maybe it's the Alaskan cold, but she's (Alaska Gov Palin)
> > already coming across as a kind of Calamity Jane famileeee values
> > reactionary posing as a feminist: in response to Hillary Clinton's
> > disappointed supporters chanting "Because of Hillary there are
> > 18,000,000 cracks in that glass ceiling!" McCain's new gal (well, at
> > 44, that makes her about half his age ...) announces in her acceptance
> > speech that she wants to shoot up and blow away that same ceiling!
> > It's become a black comedy, so shamelessly cynical and calculating
> > it's laugh-out-loud farcical.
>
> Let's take stock now.... Governor Palin (any relation to Michael
> Palin?)
"McCain then suddenly looked highly pained and worried, as if waking
from a dream, as he looked at the beaming Palin--who was wearing a
rather skimpy T-shirt saying (in smallish letters), "Abortion stinks--
but being a beauty contestant and getting people sexually aroused and
impregnating each other is fine!"--, and whispered, "My God! What have
I done..."
The Republican presumed nominee then announced to the audience,
holding up his hands, "My press base maverick friends: this was all a
little joke, like we did to keep up our spirits in POW camp. ...My
real running mate is Michael Palin of Monty Python. Funny, elegant,
British--foreign policy experience, see?--: just perfect for VP."
More at: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/164716/928/448/579236
>is in favor of polar bear genocide,
Oh dear. Even for mature adult bears engaging in consensual sex in the
Overlook?
>isn't the Walrus("Do a
> pooh, pooh!), likes pipelines and inhaled pot, is up with Down kids,
> wouldn't abort a sperm as all are sacred (sort of confirms that Python
> reference eh?), fishes like Ishmael, fires people who don't do her
> bidding making her parenthetically ethical, married to an Aleut- the
> First Dude, and won 2nd prize in a beauty contest and collected 10
> dollars.
>
> Add her to the plutocracy at once, she's perfect!
>
> "Excellent. sHe's enterprising, aggressive, outgoing. Young. Bold.
> Viscious. sHe'll do."
And we're all out of Serum 114 ...
Harry Bailey
And I suppose she'll now be utilising the Republican Approved
'Waterboarding Technique' in relation to her 17-year-old daughter, now
beset with an unwanted pregnancy: "You will have this baby! YOU WILL
HAVE THIS BABY! YOU WILL, YOU WILL, I DEMAND IT, YOU LITTLE SLUT!!!"
And when that doesn't work, hurling grenades and shotgun blasts at the
Abortion Clinic her daughter will necessarily be attending: "There be
wild bears in that har Clinic. It be a commie conspiracy!"
And when that doesn't work, sending in McCain-supporting zombie,
Rambo, to exhibit his extensive collection of knives and human-growth-
hormone brands ...
kelpzoidzl
At 17 these days she's almost over the hill....This is the age of Juno
or in this case Juneau.
In my day it was unusual not to be married with children by 21. But
in Alaska....what else is there to do?
dc
Boaz
You might like to see this:
http://entertainmentweakly.com/juneau.jpg
Boaz
("Well, I, uh,... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during
the physical act of love.")
kelpzoidzl
>
> - Show quoted text -
lol...dangerous to run for office,
dc
Harry Bailey
Obviously Sarah Palin is a right-wing maniac. She opposes sex
education and favors abstinence instruction only; she opposes
abortion, even in cases of rape; she supports everything the oil
companies want, and thinks that global warming may not even exist, and
if it does, it is not the result of human actions; etc. etc. ad
nauseam. All that is good enough reason not to want her anywhere near
the White House.
But I’m stunned by the vituperation that seems to be overcoming the
“liberal” portion of the blogosphere, denouncing her on the basis of
her lack of experience, her teenage daughter’s pregnancy, etc.
For one thing, “experience” simply does not matter. At all. It is a
completely bogus idea. The lack of experience didn’t stop Ronald
Reagan from being the most effective political leader of the last half
century (and therefore the one who did the most harm, and caused the
most human suffering, of any President in American history). Neither
does Der Arnold seem the least bit hindered in his machinations by
having less “experience,” and less knowledge of anything outside
Hollywood, than the average joker driving down the street. The fact
is, “experience” can be easily borrowed or bought. Reagan didn’t need
experience or understanding, because he had the right-wing policy
wonks from the Heritage Foundation backing him. And Arnold has
handlers inherited from his GOP predecessor Pete Wilson. A politician
doesn’t need actual “experience,” as long as he or she has the right
advisors. With the right advisors, a chimpanzee could be an effective
US President (and the chimp would probably pull in higher approval
ratings than Bush now does).
As for “personal” or “family” issues, who cares? The story about Palin
allegedly being Trig’s grandmother rather than mother has all the
usual flavor of paranoid conspiracy-mongering. It has exactly the same
affective logic, and makes about as much sense, as 9/11 conspiracy
theories, or David Icke’s allegations about our reptilian overlords,
or JFK assassination conspiracy theories. I’d go so far as to say
that, even in the unlikely event that the “grandmother” theory should
prove to be true, I would still say that its underlying logic
disqualifies it from being given any importance whatsoever.
With regard to the news of Palin’s 17-year-old daughter actually being
pregnant now, all I can say — rather crassly — is that the chickens
have come home to roost. This is what happens when you indoctrinate
your post-puberty children with the doctrine of “abstinence”, and deny
them any knowledge of contraception. (See the movie Teeth for the best
account of this dynamic). Of course fundamentalist “family values” are
a nightmare. But the moralizing criticism of Palin on these grounds,
that I have seen in so much “liberal” commentary of the past day,
itself buys into these same odious “family values”. Enough said.
There are two things that especially trouble me about the “liberal”
blogosphere’s attacks on Palin. One is good old-fashioned misogyny. I
just don’t believe that a white male candidate would ever be subject
to the sort of treatment that Palin has gotten: the smirks, the
knowing winks, the ridicule of her prowess as a hunter, the doubts as
to whether she can be an effective public servant at the same time
that she is a parent to children under 18 (and especially one with
Down’s Syndrome), and so on. I am in no way opposed to the basic need
for partisanship, for taking off the gloves and attacking the other
party. But I wish I could see a bit more thought going into the
premises of all these “liberal” attacks on Palin, the sorts of values
that they are appealing to. We are not going to win if we base our
attacks against the Republicans on the Republicans’ own odious
prejudices and presuppositions.
The other thing that disturbs me is the air of self-congratulatory
triumphalism that surrounds all these attacks on Palin. Nearly
everything I have read from the “liberal” blogs and media takes the
gleeful line that McCain has just blown the election, that his choice
of Palin is an egregious blunder, that at best it bespeaks panic and
desperation. I’m sorry, but this sort of evaluation is sheer idiocy.
Of course the selection of Palin is a gamble — the selection of
someone relatively unknown, and therefore untested in the heat of
policy discussions and electoral battles always is. But that doesn’t
mean that Palin is automatically a public-relations disaster. Just
watching five minutes of YouTube clips is enough to show that Palin is
one of the most charismatic and telegenic politicians in the US today.
She radiates a combination of spunky energy, cool authority, and down-
home reassurance. There is no question that she will be powerfully
appealing to mainstream voters. She is yet another example of the
right wing’s brilliance, over the last thirty years, in manipulating
affect — in getting voters to feel good about candidates, and
therefore to vote for them even against their own actual conscious
interests.
In short, anyone who sees the selection of Palin as a self-inflicted
wound for the McCain campaign simply doesn’t get it — doesn’t have a
clue about how politics works in America today. If Obama has a chance
of winning the election despite ingrained American racism, this has
nothing to do with the state of the economy, or the war. It is because
Obama arouses confidence and enthusiasm — in a manner that Kerry,
Gore, Dukakis, Mondale, etc. were totally incapable of. (Whether this
enthusiasm and excitement are able to travel, whether they can break
through the glass ceiling and affect other people besides Obama’s core
constituency, is still open to question. The campaign will very much
turn on it — it is by no means a done deal). It troubles me how so
many Obama supporters and enthusiasts are so smug in their certainty
of victory, and I should say also in their sense of moral superiority
and self-righteousness, that they cannot see what is right in front of
their faces. In this case, the fact that Palin is a media figure of
potentially huge appeal. You can’t fight or counteract something of
which you are totally oblivious. There may be skeletons in anybody’s
closet that ruin their chances in public life when they emerge; but at
this point, Sarah Palin is more a Sarah Connor than she is a Harriet
Miers or Tom Eagleton. We need to be worried about her effectiveness —
and about McCain’s sharpness in picking her, in contrast to Obama’s
going for Biden as a safe, conservative choice that signals politics-
as-usual — instead of prematurely celebrating the demise of the
Republican ticket.
kelpzoidzl
>
> - Show quoted text -
Now we have the photos of Obama wearing a wedding ring in 1981 and
1986 and talk of his drug addicted, Pakistani girlfriend, that is
emerging. Also talk of how his book dreams of my Father was ghost
written (like Mohammed Ali's) and where all his education (Harvard) ,
financing and support has really come from, Khalid al-Monsour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIrWrxuR_GM
(via the billions of Prince Al-Waleed Bin Talal of Saudi Arabia)
I'll choose Sarah Barracuda at this point.
dc
Wordsmith
Dang. I'm sure glad Kubrick's mom didn't abort him! Aint'cha?
Aint'cha?
W : )
Harry Bailey
And you're sure glad Hitler's mom didn't abort him! Etc.
What's your point ? (as Palin & Co in their twisted ignorance of
geopolitics and raving racism 'argue' that "We've had no attack on our
homeland since we invaded Eye-rack!" [Talk about a Hitchcockian
MacGuffin! No, only 1.25m dead and 4m displaced and worse to come.]).
kelpzoidzl
More Khalid al-Mansour video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcC0QAd0Ug&feature=related
Speaking of "geo-political"............
The Neuro-Geography of Terrestrial Politics
Terrestrial politics are Newtonian-Euclidian. They are based upon
territorial mammalian competitions between neighboring hives who share
the same neurotechnological level. Each quantum jump in neuro-
technology increases the size of the political unit. Tribes are
swallowed-up by neighbors who have superior artifacts. Higher
technology nations set up territorial boundary tensions of greater
extension. China and Russia confront each other along a 3000 mile
border with the same nervous, bluffing robot postures of four-foot
mammals protecting turf.
Ideological differences are, of course, irrelevant in mammalian
terrestrial politics. The enmity is instinct-robot. Neighboring gene-
pools have to compete according to a relentless law of territorial
(plus-minus) magnetism. To occupy an ecological niche is
automatically to be "against" those who inhabit the neighboring niche.
To illustrate the limbic (primitive-brain) nature of Old World
politics in 1978 consult the map. Note that Morocco receives its arms
from America and that its neighbor, Algeria, obtains weapons from
Russia. The border between the two neighbors is tense.
Note that the next country, Tunisia, receives its arms from America
and quarrels with both its neighbors, leftist Algeria and leftist
Libya. Poor confused Egypt, caught between a Black and White
ambiguity switched (in 1975-1976) from Russia to America. Egypt now
manages to maintain hostile contact with both its neighbors--Libya and
Israel. (Regardless of the ideological paradox!)
SEE IMAGE
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4749/robotmammalianconfrontaow8.jpg
Continuing down the zoo-cages of our animal past, we note that Israel
fights Syria.
Syria growls at Israel above and Iraq below.
Iraq fights Iran.
Iran snarls at Afghanistan.
Afghanistan frowns at Pakistan.
Pakistan hates India.
India is tensed against China.
China suspiciously rubs up against Russia and the South East Asian
states -- all of which distrust their neighbors, regardless of
ideology.
An examination of the politics of Southern Africa will reveal the same
checker-board sequence of neighborhood confrontations. South East
Asia provides a similar confirmation of the theory that terrestrial
politics produces an almost perfect unbroken sequence of robot
mammalian-territorial confrontations.
We seem to deal here with a magnetic ordering of plus-minus charges in
neighboring units. With robot regularity, and with an amazing
disregard for common sense or political principles, each country
opposes its neighbors.
It is of interest that such a renowned political theorist as Henry
Kissinger was so totally robotized--like iron filings held in a
magnetic field--in confrontation with Russia, that he failed to
understand this neuro-political principle. Kissinger believed in the
Domino Theory; if South Vietnam fell, then all the South East Asian
nations would topple shoulder-to-shoulder into monolithic Communism.
This paranoia, for which 50,000 young Americans died, completely
disregarded the obvious. Once Saigon collapses then nature takes
over! Cambodia attacks Vietnam. Vietnam raids Laos. Thailand snarls
at Vietnam. And all South East countries oppose their northern
neighbor China.
So far we have considered the East-West sequence of polarization.
Next, let us examine some North-South factors. The map of Africa
reveals that the principle of neighbor-antagonism exists. What the
political map does not show is the fact that within African countries
(which were arbitrarily defined by European colonists) tribal enmities
continue to rage on. Africa is a checker-board of mammalian
savagery. Ninety percent of African countries are ruled by assassins
and military chiefs. Mafia capos.
Now look north to Europe. Until World War II, Europe was also a
checker-board of quarreling neighbors, each ruled by a feudal chief.
The technological quantum-leap taken in the 1940-War forced a change
in territoriality. Technology always increases the size of the gene-
pool territory. The Eastern Bloc nations were forced together into a
monolithic entity--confronting the union of West European states. The
border-tensions no longer exist between nations but along the great
East-West wall, the Iron Curtain. We note, also, that ninety percent
of West European countries are ruled, not by military dictators, but
by elected representatives.
This North-South bifurcation of the genetic highway has produced a
fascinating left-right division which perfectly parallels the cerebral
hemispheric split. The right-hand, i.e., the northern countries
developed logic, rationality, manipulation of artifacts and symbols.
The new technologies require larger networks of harmonious
collaboration. The energies of thousands of people must be linked-up
to maintain an automotive business or a Coca Cola industry.
Technology creates larger and more intelligent gene-colony units.
Why did the right-hand-continent, Europe, develop the technology and
carry the freedom-gene upward? Why did the left-hand-continent,
Africa, fail to produce mobility-freedom-gene-pools? Why did Africa
develop slavery and Europe capitalist-democracy? Why did the genetic
highway veer north instead of south when it burst out of the Middle-
East (i.e., the mid-brain)? Why did the northern Mediterranean
centers light up in sequence: Greece, Rome, Venice, Paris, Madrid,
Lisbon, London?
Surely there must be some basic neuro-geographical principle that
explains why Africa now swarms with slavery and paleolithic savagery
and why the right-hand-northern lobe has provided the centers and
pathways along which the species has evolved. Why did the freedom-
genes cluster along the North Atlantic beaches?
MOVEMENT OF SMALL MIGRANT GENE POOLS STIMULATING INDEPENDENCE,
TECHNOLOGY AND INTELLIGENCE
SEE IMAGE
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/677/migrationgx6.jpg
Why did the intelligence-technology breakout occur from West Europe--
not West Africa?
Think of evolution as an ascent--literally a climb, a series of
intelligence tests which activate the velocity-attitude-freedom
circuits. From the Mid-East mid-brain there are two pathways. The
Southern route is the easiest; the Arabs took it, slid off along the
low road. Insectoid armies oozing from the east, sending, not gene-
pools, but soldiers and military bureaucrats.
The high-road North was a ladder, a series of ledges to be scaled.
Look at the map. First the Dardenelles to be crossed. Then the
prickly mountains of Greece, the fingered peninsulas. The Balkan
mountains. The high Alps. Rugged land, uninviting to Mid-Eastern
sultans. Choked with geographic barriers offering refuge to ascending
gene-pools. The story of evolution is the ascent of Celtic Out-Caste
gene-pools on the shoulders of the teeming Eastern autonomic-
involuntary centers.
NOTE: If this chapter is not sexy enough for you, skip ahead where
the editors have inserted a signal especially designed to activate the
circuits in your brain, which will allow you to return to this chapter
and enjoy it.
A glance at the map reminds us that the human race is literally a
Mobility-Contest; small gene-pools racing to keep ahead of the
engulfing wave of insectoid collectivism. The Human Race is exactly a
competition of speed. Small gene-pools being squirted ahead by
swarming pressures into empty ecological niches where new realities
(Plan-Its) can be created. The human race is run to the West. The
Contest is between the collective and the individual. The Contest:
can the individual freedom-gene-pools accelerate fast enough to leave
the planet before being over-run by Eastern hivism?
The issue is, however, never in doubt. The swarming pressure of the
primitive-past lapping at the outskirts of the frontier is simply a
signal to speed up. At exactly that moment when the forces of
homogenous unity, one-ness, socialist-equality, cultural-determinism
seem to become dogma--exactly at that moment genetic-elitism reappears
among the out-post-out-castes and new gene-pools assemble on the
frontier out-posts. Everyone on the frontier is self-selected for
frontier behavior. The new ecological niche is always filled by those
who are robot-templated for mobility, independence and change. An
important caste to any species.
The ascent of gene-pools up the Atlantic in the 16th, 17th, 18th, and
19th centuries was a genetic-selection process of gigantic
significance. It must be recalled that immigration to North America
involved an amazing seed-blossoming of gene-pools. Very few
immigrants made the climb alone. Typically, each European gene-pool
sent its best fertile stock. Once a beach-head had been established
in the new ecological niche, more settled members of the gene-pools
could follow. But in most cases new gene-pools were formed by mutated-
migrants of former old-world gene-pools.
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Structural and Temporal Castes in the Human Being
Editor's Note: This is the most important and the most impenetrable
essay in this manual. If you understand this neuro-logic you will
mutate to Genetic Intelligence. If you find it slow-going, undulate
serenely ahead and return to this chapter when your RNA so directs
you.
Intelligence Agents have worked for centuries to decipher the DNA code
-- to unravel the secrets, techniques and tactics used by the Life-
Intelligence to improve species. Recently this ancient and honorable
philosophic specialty has acquired a new professional title:
Ethology. Ethology studies the survival behavior of living organisms,
species and gene-pools in their natural environment.
Migration and metamorphosis are obviously effective techniques for
improving intelligence (I2). Migration provides varied territorial
options and leads to the growth of musculature and neuro-technology
that makes accelerated, accurate locomotion possible. Also, migration
selects for the nobility-mobility and thus creates new, more mobile
cultures. The young nervous systems of every frontier caste are
imprinted with the independent-individuality of migrant Out-Castes.
A third tool used by DNA to increase intelligence is: socialization,
i.e., harmonious, collaborative behavior. A characteristic of
advanced socialization is Caste Division - a most effective survival
device.
A species which has developed caste differentiation and enculturation
based on multi-stage imprinting divides into survival specialties --
thus complexifying and expanding performance. Obvious examples of
caste specialization are the two most successful life-forms on this
planet: social insects and humans.
There are two forms of caste differentiation described by
ethologists: structural caste and temporal caste. Structural caste
defines Alpha Reality -- genetic wiring. Temporal caste defines Beta
Reality -- developmental staging of the wiring. The most successful-
intelligent species manifest both structural and temporal castes.
Until Human Species understood how these two caste systems work they
were unable to understand human psychology and thus manage their own,
evolving destiny.
Structural Caste
(Alpha Reality)
Structural Caste involves the familiar genetic division into
specialized functions (worker-humant, warrior-humant, drone-humant,
builder-humant) that characterize hive organisms like social insects
and civilized hum-ants. Structural caste in insects is easily
identified by visible morphological (anatomical) differences. In
humans neurological differences are more important in determining the
behavior of each caste.* Structural caste is genetic-anatomical
templating which produces involuntary-robot behaviors. A drone bee
looks different from a worker bee or a queen bee.
Structural Caste differences also characterize homo sapiens. Male and
female -- is one structural caste difference. Big, muscled,
hyperadrenalized aggressives are a separate caste -- the warriors, the
Amazons. Dainty, fragile, nurturant minister-types are a caste.
Bobby Fishers, J. Edgar Hoovers, Bella Abzugs and Marily Monroes are
caste-exemplars. The caste distinctions are blatantly visible, but
discussion of genetic types is taboo among modern humans -- although
these differences were taken for granted by earlier societies.
Socialist countries forbid talk about genetic caste-differences
because Marxism holds that society determines behavior. Caste
theories, to a socialist, reek of capitalistic-class-elitist racism.
In western democracies, the Intellectual-Scientist-Caste denies caste
differences because of the hive commitment to equality. The revulsion
against Nazi, Arab and Zionist genetic fanaticism also makes caste
discussions verboten among liberals -- and most scientists are
liberals.
It is interesting that uneducated, lower-class people readily accept
the reality of racial and caste-differences. Country bumpkins and
illiterate farmers are aware of the effects of breeding and are, thus,
far more ethologically sophisticated than liberal Cambridge Nobel
Prize laureates.
Common-Sense suggests that there are a limited number of basic genetic
castes that characterize the human species, and that new caste
differences will emerge as homo sapiens continues its accelerated
differentiated evolution.
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* It is obvious that highly complex neurological differences also
characterize each insect hive. It is possible that individual insects
have more illusions of individuality than we now credit them. The
nervous system of each juvenile worker-ant is imprinted with specific
culture cues. Each corridor of each ant hill has its highly
characteristic odors, textures and humidities which identify the
inhabitants. It is reflex-chauvinism to deny naively that ant hill
cultures -- 100 million years a-building -- offer their caste members
any less sense of individual and hive uniqueness than is offered the
average hum-ant.
Temporal Caste
(Beta Reality)
The most impressive and successful technique used by DNA to increase
the intelligence of social species is Temporal Caste. Temporal Caste
refers to the process of maturation in which an individual
metamorphosizes from one form to another within hir own life span.
Passing through developmental stages -- performing different survival
functions at each life passage.
Temporal casting in an ant-hill assigns the young tasks of infant
care. Slightly older ants are assigned house-keeping and hive-repair
functions metamorphizing into more external functions of exploration,
food-gathering and warrior activity.
Reflect on the wondrous neurological advantage of Temporal Caste. The
mature ant knows how to perform several caste functions. This means
that SHe has several gears or circuits in hir nervous system. An
organism which has passed through temporal metamorphic sequences is
imply more intelligent. Temporal caste means polyphase brain and thus
multiple Beta Realities. Caterpillar caste to butterfly caste;
pollywog to frog; pre-teenager to adolescent.
Now reflect on the super-wondrous glory of the human brain. The
terrestrial human life cycle spins the developing individual through
12 stages. The suckling infant is certainly a very different caste
from the serious ten year old school-child. The rock 'n' roll
teenager is certainly a different caste than the tottering post-
menopausal.
Until recently our philosophers (sic) have been unable to understand
temporal casting in humans. For very good genetic reasons. The human
being is a robot, blindly operating within the reality bubble of
structural caste and current temporal caste imprint. At each
developmental stage the individual must imprint the current hive
reality for that developmental stage. The infant cannot be concerned
with teenage sperm-egg fantasies. SHe must suck, suck, suck at the
cultural cues that SHe has imprinted -- the touch, smell, taste, sound
of the mother.
The 11th stage new-parent suddenly, miraculously forgets the barbarian
teenage reality in which SHE lived just a few months previous. Each
human accepts the reality of the current temporal stage hive-imprint,
and almost totally represses the memory of previous stages. The 24
circuit equipment is there, however, available for activation. It is
the aim of this article to turn you on to its glory.
The most loveable aspect of human temporal casting is this: each
stage plays a part in the overall 24 element human molecule. Think of
the human gene-pool as a complex molecule which builds on new elements
as it evolves. Temporal casting allows for temporal flexibility.
Each generation is a wave moving through the gene-pool -- contributing
to the locomotion of the gene-pool through time.
Let us examine the Temporal Caste situation. Does the Stage 1
suckling, floating infant play a role in the human ant-hill? Oh my
yes! You better believe that the suckling infant is the glue which
holds the enormous technological civilization together. The task of
the infant is to trigger domestic responses in adults. The baby's
task is to suck tits, emit anguished-demanding yowls, dirty diapers,
gurgle winningly. The neonate performing its repertoire of activities
is working just as hard as the auto worker or the dutiful parent.
Sucking mother's breasts turns on hormones that keep Mom home.
If Mom's 11th brain is not fed by gurgle cues and cries, young Mother
will be down at the dance hall swinging her hips or, horrors,
competing with men. (Thus the enormous neuro-genetic significance of
the Pill. It is no accident that an irresistible Women's Liberation
Movement occurs one generation after voluntary birth-control appears.
Birth control is self-directed management of temporal caste sequence.
Women can postpone Stage 11 maternal-matron-morality. The "youth-
cult" which has produced middle-aged women teeny boppers and married
Teamsters wearing Joe Namath satin shirts with Fonz hair styles is
another by-product of the newly won control of our neurogenetic brain
sequences.)
The school child (ages 5-11) also plays a crucial role in the human
hive. Young students keep the enormous educational industry going.
Schools become bureaucratic paper-factories keeping teachers busy,
school administrators occupied, counselors engaged. The whole
insectoid apparatus is designed, of course, to imprint the young
robots with role-models, making them ready to take their places in a
bureaucratic-socialist centralized hive civilization where everyone is
trained to play a role.
The Teenager Caste similarly plays a vital role in the human ant-hill
by providing warriors in times of war. Indeed, teenagers encourage
war. Before 1960 every dictator knew that the way to keep the
restless students from rioting in the university was to get them
fighting on the border. In times of peace the crime rate rises. In
times of peace the task of teenagers is to keep the police
establishment and the judiciary going. More than half of all reported
crimes are committed by barbarian teenagers or unmarried, pre-domestic
males. If Stage 10 adolescence were eliminated from the human cycle,
there would be no Red Brigades, no rock-concert riots -- the
monolithic police bureaucracy would immediately crumble and in its
anguished collapse take the entire society down with it. Every caste
has to be kept occupied.
As usual, it is more comfortable for us to understand human robot-hood
by looking at others. Thus we notice that in "primitive" tribes young
children perform baby-care. Older girls help with agriculture. Older
boys guard the flocks. After puberty temporal caste assignments
change dramatically. In all societies adolescent males pass through a
warrior stage.
Today in civilized societies technology and complex labor divisions
have diminished the survival value of child-castes. Thus the
elaborate culture of organized play and extended education to prepare
youngsters for warrior and post-warrior status.
All the above from T.Leary "The Intelligence Agents" (a serio-satire)
kelpzoidzl
kelpzoidzl
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I think people need to think about how the politically correct
version of "pro-choice," is so dependent on a situational context,
"I was raped"
"I am too young"
"I am too poor"
"the world is too full of unwwanted children"
ETC
All of these reasons are based in the assumption of a stress-filled
reality, where "lives are ruined."
But if the context of life and society, more sane and mercy and
happiness based and less based in this defensive, hysteria of stress,
poverty and dysfunction, which is self-perpetuating, then the idea of
aborting a child could seem very unnecessary, except perhaps in the
rare cases of saving a mother's life.
Of course the obvious loophole in "pro-choice," ideology, is that if
the person had improper judgement to begin with (not including the
rape pregnancies), then how do they have the wisdom to know if it is
best to abort the child?
In the case of a rape pregnancy, why abort the child? Is the child
too blame somehow or is all of it just part of the symptoms of a mad
mad mad world---that people need to fix instead of playing victim.
Ultimately it starts with human beings and what is inside of them and
what responsibility they take in the grand scheme of things.
dc
kelpzoidzl
dc
Harry Bailey
Contrary to what you may have read or heard, Sarah Palin is not
remotely interesting. Let me give you a sample of her political wit:
"In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote
their careers. And then there are those, like John McCain, who use
their careers to promote change." Forget that it involves a fairly
typical speechwriter's combination of symmetry, pun and piety, and
that there is nothing witty about it. Political pundits develop a
taste for this kind of thing over the years, rather as a sociologist
researching coprophilia might acquire a passion for the Guinness
pebbledash. They should be pitied rather than despised. But their lack
of intellectual hygiene should not prevent us from noticing that it is
a marketing slogan based on a pun based on another marketing slogan
that is itself almost entirely devoid of meaning. The reason why Sarah
Palin is suddenly the object of ceaseless irrelevant droning is that
the Republican party's campaign team carefully directed attention to
her, and to various qualities they expected her to exhibit, and the
assorted hacks did exactly as they were told and duly noted the
sparkling wit, the 'off-the-cuff' remark about the 'home-made' placard
about hockey moms, and the ebullient attacks on Obama. In the same
way, when it was the DNC, the reporters were informed that Biden would
bring passion and humanity to the campaign and, what do you know, they
duly detected these qualities in Biden's vainglorious acceptance
speech.
Much as people may decry the 'dumbing down' of politics, it was ever
thus. A US election campaign is, if successful, invariably a
mystifying charade of 'personalities' without personality,
depoliticised politics, humourless wit, value-free values... And all
of this histrionic display, all of this theatre, all of these
gladiatorial trappings, can only sustain a slender pretense that
something other than a gentleman's duel between different sectors of
capital is taking place. A pretense that is rendered ever more slender
by the habitual carping for 'bipartisanship'. It is like a
professional wrestling promotion in which the two sides that
supposedly hate one other are always calling for more cooperation in
the squared circle, and a bit more sharing with the title belts
please. This is not to say that Election Idol 2008 has nothing to
distinguish it. It is supposedly a contest about 'hope' (as well as
'change'), mainly because it offers the important symbolic watershed
of getting a black man into the White House, and that is hardly to be
dismissed This isn't like the phoney 'buzz' over Howard Dean or that
yuppy asshole Ned Lamont, either. Nor is it equivalent to the soul-
destroying, craven liberal support for the uninspiring centre-right
warmonger John Kerry. The Obama campaign has channelled a dynamic that
one can only hope it will be unable to fully control before the
inevitable post-November cull.
But honestly. The real source of urgency in this campaign has nothing
to do with Obama's lacklustre policies, or the (Small) Change You Can
Believe In. It is the threat of another four years of elephantine
extremists and pachydermic psychos in the White House. On that index,
the election is fundamentally, structurally about despair, and panic.
The least worst option in the choice between Obama and McCain is a
return to 'normal' after years of giddy ruling class plunder. A
plunder which was accomplished largely by terrorising the public with
one crisis after another, by megaphoning selected portions of bin
Laden's cavebound ramblings, by persuading a majority of the American
public that a threat from Saddam was imminent and that he had
something to do with 9/11, by arresting tupperware terrorists on
spurious charges of conspiracy, and so on. Obama, with his modest
reform package and his soothing bromides, personifies that desired
sense of normality, and I suspect he understands this perfectly well.
To be sure, he is conventional and conformist, and he is more socially
conservative than most liberals would like. He is aligned to the
interests of Wall Street, whose luminaries are bankrolling his
campaign, and he will almost certainly be on the case of privatising
social security in part or whole at some point. He is an American
imperialist, and will be up to his knees in blood in no time at all if
elected.
But Obama is not shrill, his rhetoric isn't completely irrational, he
doesn't seem to be an overgrown child, and he isn't forever trying to
alarm people with the 3am phone call chatter. By contrast, McCain's
campaign is blithering endlessly about the need to be even more
bellicose, to 'win' the war in Iraq, to remember 9/11, etc. Their
campaign slogan, 'Country First', recalls the basic message that
America is threatened by these brown terrorists and the liberals might
be about to elect one as president. US columnists have picked up,
approvingly, on Obama's efforts at cultivating paternal projection, as
if this whole political style wasn't dubious in itself. But there are
lots of different ways to be the Daddy, and Obama is opting to play
the responsible daddy who reads to the kiddies at bedtime, maintains
discipline, and keeps away burglars. Forget his actual policies for a
second. Set aside the sabre-rattling over Iran and Pakistan. The most
consistent impression that his campaign generates is one of near
serenity, of gently gliding away from the Bush era's permanent state
of emergency. And after eight nerve-racking years, people aren't going
to the polling booths to vote for the best possible programme, any
more than they're going to vote for the candidate with the best
speechwriter. They, those who vote for BHO, are going to vote for the
candidate most likely to beat McCain, and thwart another term of grand
theft auto from the Grand Old Party. This is crime prevention.
One encouraging sign that the election campaign can be about something
more than that is that, while Obama leads McCain by 7 percentage
points, Nader is getting up to 6% in the polls. This is despite the
fact that the left-wing vote is split several ways between various
candidates, and despite the fact that his campaign is rarely mentioned
in the reporting. His surprisingly strong poll standing is hardly ever
discussed, and nor is the fact that campaign is drawing out big
crowds, with 4,000 attending a rally in Denver, right in the middle of
the Democratic national conference. Nader has his flaws, but I should
think that sustaining a serious radical campaign, that is miles away
from the main candidates in terms of tone and substance, and
attracting this level of support is a remarkable achivement, given
that in 2004 his support was at a miserable 0.38%. It says a lot about
how the times are changing. I think it unlikely that Nader's 6
percentage points in the polls will translate into 6% of the votes
come November. And the polls vary, with some putting his support
closer to 3%. But a respectable vote that surpasses his previous high
of 2.7% will at least leave a space open for those inevitable refugees
from the Obama campaign.
kelpzoidzl
Palin isn't "interesting?"
Srsly Harry............
You have secretly drank some Obama Kool-Aid or someone spiked your
drinlk.
Now of course I agree with much of what you say above, when you step
back and cynically assess the overall condition of politics, that has
this imprecise, comedic or dysfunctional quality about it, because I
get cynical and hyper-objective too--but that can be a detriment and
can lead to to seeing things just as unclearly as say someone who is
is mainlining, the Obama Kool-aid.
When all is said and done, this show we are watching is the only game
in town. Here we have a clear choice between obstaining from voting,
voting Nader (I voted Nader in 1992, before he went wacko), some
other write-in, vote for yourself, or vote for a somewhat boring,
elderly man who was a National Hero and a sparkly-eyed, Soccer mom
VS. a former cocaine freak/dealer with a long background of ultra
left wing 60's terrorist buddies, screeching, black militant
preachers, community organizer $$ scammers, frantic extreme-leftist
bloggers and fascist poll scammers who have learned how to manipulate
the polls with money to the media, foreign Saudi
Money-------------------who lies through his teeth about his life
story, nis birth, his former spouse (see the photos of the wedding
ring on his hand from 1981 and 1986)
Since it's the only game in town and since a grown up Starbaby isn't
up for election, I'd have to with the hero and the soccer-mom then the
liar.
I hate liars and scammers, and international economy, idealogues,
terroist sympathizers, media drones, currently manipulated by rich
men clubs, arabs and currency traders who badmouth a sleezy company
(Haliburton) with Move-on.org, who turns around and then buys
2,000,000 shares after it's stock price drops from the $60 dollars a
share to into the $20's due to the resultant, manipulated, bad press
(Soros's move-on dot org) ,
------------- I don't hatw or even dislike, bumpy faced old war heros
or sincere, small town Soccer moms, even if I don't agree with them on
all issues or that they might have an overly literal view of
religion. I'm not even going to let a drop of my cynicism, get in
the way, or derail my utter disgust with Obama and his media
drones. These people have somewhat normal families and these days
that is pretty rare regardless how bitches,witches or warlocks, might
rave against them.
Just say no to Obama Kool-Aid.
dc
Harry Bailey
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> Srsly Harry............
Yes, seriously. Are your grounds for claiming her 'interesting' that
she will appeal to the "redneck" constituency? That lot were already
secured, particularly since Obama has pretty well nothing but
condescension to offer them. McCain's problem was never about winning
over the committed foetus-adoring and flag-waving bunch: it was about
building out beyond that coalition. I bet you the poll numbers barely
moved after the big Palin speech, and that all this hype was over fuck
all. I bet you. Palin was simply chosen to reassure the Christian
fundamentalist loonies, as this recent interview reinforces:
AMY GOODMAN: Talk about, Max, the Council for National Policy, the
story that you broke.
MAX BLUMENTHAL: Well, this is the larger issue, which is, you know,
what role Sarah Palin would play in a potential McCain administration?
And last week in Minneapolis at the Radisson Hotel, without any media
present, the most powerful power brokers of the Christian right met
and essentially vetted Sarah Palin. They were there to watch her
speech accepting her selection as the vice-presidential candidate. And
they were delighted.
The only way I found out about this meeting is through a web video
posted by the Christian right organization Focus on the Family, in
which they discussed attending the meeting. One of James Dobson’s
spokesmen discussed attending the meeting and being electrified by the
selection of Sarah Palin. The Christian right absolutely loves this
woman. And so—and what I wrote in my article is that the Council for
National Policy is sort of the hidden hand behind the selection.
AMY GOODMAN: Explain who is in this council.
MAX BLUMENTHAL: Right. And it’s hard to know who is in this Council
for National Policy. What it is is an umbrella group of the most
powerful figures in the Christian right; the biggest donors of the
right wing; the activists, like Grover Norquist, anti-tax activist;
people like Erik Prince from Blackwater and his family; people—
AMY GOODMAN: He’s a part of the council.
MAX BLUMENTHAL: Yes. Paul Weyrich, the Catholic right organizer; Tim
LaHaye, author of the best—“Left Behind” series; James Dobson and his
entire family are in this. You know—
AMY GOODMAN: James Dobson, who said pray for rain during the
Democratic convention.
MAX BLUMENTHAL: Exactly, exactly, and who thinks SpongeBob is gay, and
who I consider the most powerful figure in the Christian right, by the
way. And—but remember—
AMY GOODMAN: So they all met, as the Democrats were in Denver, in
Minneapolis.
MAX BLUMENTHAL: Right. They all met—exactly. And the point of meeting
while the media was focusing on the Democrats was so that the media
wouldn’t, you know, detect this meeting, because they want to make—
they want to plan for the long term without any—you know, outside of
the spotlight. Their membership rolls are completely secret.
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And so, that’s part of the reason why the selection of Sarah Palin
caught people off guard, because John McCain had always been seen as a
maverick who defied right-wing orthodoxy, and it was hard for the
media to imagine that he would make such a radical selection for vice
president, someone who would actually be the liaison to the Christian
right in his administration. She wouldn’t play a role like Dick
Cheney, where she, you know, has any influence over foreign policy.
She would control the agencies like Health and Human Services and
block condom distribution to Africa, block sex education in public
schools, criminalize homosexuality, penalize unmarried cohabitating
couples, mad things like that.
As for her 'knowledge' about the world, forget it: she only acquired a
passport last year, and then purely for purposes of a PR-bumbling
visit to Iraq, about which she says, like a female version of Bush,
"Pray for our military. Pray for our military men and women who are
striving to do what is right for this country - that our leaders, our
national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," the
Alaska governor said in her address posted on the website of the
Wasilla Assembly of God.
Quote from: http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=68348§ionid=3510203
"Nero fiddles while Rome burns" indeed.
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kelpzoidzl
You aren't yet dealing with the point I made.
I'll reiterate briefly.
I (me) would rather vote for for McCain and Palin--regardless of how
I may not agree with various issues, including literal religous ideas,
or perceived "redneckness" ---then a total Liar. They are more
sincere and he is just a Liar.
I don't know if you are purposefully avoiding these things, defending
these things, or just dismissing them out of disbelief, but too much
information on Obama is out in the open and only for the fact that
virtually all the "MainStreamMedia" is bought and paid for, and Kool-
Aid dispensers to the masses, that this information is not common
knowledge to everyone in the US and the world.
Obama lied about "Rev Wright"
Obama lied about William Ayres
Obama lied about Ayres and his own Annenberg foundation dealings
Obama lied about Rezko (Biden is involved here too)
Obama has lied about his ties to the Saudi royal family, specifically
Obama's campaign cheated in the caucuses, busing in kids to vote and
giving them IPODS and strong arming Hillary ladies at the polls.
Obama betrayed a mentor Alice Palmer
Obam lied all throughout his books. The tale he tells about reading a
Life Magazine article that he claims impacted him greatly, was pulled
right out of thin are as has been proven.
Obama lies about where his money really comes from
Obama lied about who paid for Harvard.
Obama hides who really wrote and financed his books.
Obama's campaign has played some odd hanky panky with his birth
certificate, hidden his legal adoption and has not answered questions
about his Indonesian and/or Kenyan citizenship.
Obama was "Barry Sotero" his Indoneisan school records say he had
indonesian citizenship. He refuses to clear this up---or show proof
he legally had his single citizenship straightend out------why? What
is he afraid of people finding out? Why cover it up and not be open
about it? The biggest red flag is that there is proof he had flown to
Pakistan in 1981 using an Indonesian passport.
Obama will not be able to even get security clearance until all of
this is cleared up. It is possible he is legally ineligible to even
be the President of the United States. Knowing he may have an problem
here and creating a problem for the democratic party is incredibly
selfish and stupid at the very least.
Now add to all that the recent information about Khalid al Mansour as
told by Percy Sutton.
Also these mysterious photos from the early and mid 1980's showing him
wearing a wedding ring--srsly Harry--the man is a cover up con man and
an admitted cocaine addict for some time---and thats really all he
admits to. People claim he was a cocaine dealer. Can he pay everyone
off?
Commonsense dictates prying into these issues.
What really is most annoying is the constant parade of anti Hillary
people and now anti-Palin and McCain people being paraded across the
screen by the media. Who the fuck are they to tell people what to
think??? And BTW how come CNN is hiding Lou Dobbs these days? And
why was that ABC News producer, doing a story called the "The Money
Trail," arrested and roughed up, in front of the hotel where the
lobbyists were staying during the Dem convention?
AND why did CNN give those "Code Pink" protestors badges to get into
the convention?
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=v_pxlvjV3FU
Srsly harry, I'll pick a moose killing hockey mom and a guy who put
country and honor first, in the prison camps, over this liar and
babbling, contradictory, head up his ass, idealogue, any day.
dc
Some people have real dysfunctional families and become jealous of
people who don't. It makes them angry when they see a normal family
and because they can't account for it, some may assume it's a lack of
individuality in the family that keeps them united together. Angry
people want to tear down what is good and replace it with their own
family misery. Intellectual types in that category, lose sight of
what is important and create pet ideologies unconsciously trying to
derail anything that unites people in a posotive direction.
kelpzoidzl
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/speaking-of-17-year-olds/#more-2788
Real Clear Politics nailed it Friday with Linda Chavez’s article, “An
Unexamined Life.” The writer issues a sober
reality check, and fair warning, about the state of media affairs in
our nation,and the media’s determination to help elect Barack Obama:
The biggest story to emerge from the Republican National Convention
was the media’s effort to destroy Gov. Sarah Palin. Members of the
Fourth Estate behaved more like a Democratic fifth column this week
than they did like honest reporters. Palin’s stunningly effective
speech Wednesday night showed they will not easily take her down — but
their malicious attacks on Gov. Palin’s family prove that they will
stop at nothing to achieve their aim. Since when is the private life
of a 17-year-old fair game in a political campaign? Apparently only
when that 17-year-old’s mom is a Republican candidate.
Make no mistake — the press outed Bristol Palin’s pregnancy…
Chavez makes the same point that we did, just a few days ago, in the
post Media Questions the Vetting of Palin (Is this Satire?), when we
laid it on the line:
…What about the vetting of Barack H. Obama?
You know, the PRESIDENTIAL candidate who himself used cocaine and
other drugs about 20-30 years ago?? Are the media aware of what crimes
Obama committed back then? Nope, didn’t think so… Why not? Because
they did not VET him. That would have been racist, I guess.
.
Chavez expounds on the point, and drives it home:
If you don’t think this reflects media bias, contrast this insatiable
prying into Bristol Palin’s life with the press’s lack of curiosity
about the behavior of another 17-year-old – one whose story would seem
to have more relevance to this year’s presidential election.
In his memoir “Dreams from My Father,” Barack Obama describes his
troubled teenaged years. “Pot had helped, and booze, maybe a little
blow when you could afford it. Not smack though,” he recalls, though
he admits he came close to trying heroin at the urging of a friend who
shot up in front of him…
Obama’s drug use went on for at least a few years, though he is
noticeably vague in describing exactly when it began, how extensive it
was, or when it ended. At least one of his friends was arrested for
drug possession; another had a mental breakdown after one too many
acid trips. But Obama has been reticent to reveal the extent of his
illegal activities — and the media haven’t cared enough to pursue the
question.
Past drug use by presidential candidates was considered a legitimate
subject of inquiry for Bill Clinton (who, famously, “didn’t inhale”)
and George W. Bush. News organizations devoted considerable
investigative resources in 2000 to track down unsubstantiated rumors
about Bush’s alleged cocaine use — and printed the accusation, even
when there was no credible evidence that it was true. Yet those same
news organizations treat Obama’s admitted — and apparently heavy —
youthful drug use as if it were off-limits.
What a candidate did as a young man — even if it was illegal — should
not necessarily disqualify him from becoming president. But shouldn’t
we want to know a bit more than he’s volunteered to date before we
make a final judgment? Did Obama ever sell drugs to anyone? When was
the last time he used cocaine? What other illegal drugs has he used?
As an adult, has he been present when others were using illicit drugs?
Why is it reporters who were willing to pursue Bristol Palin, who
isn’t on the ballot, somehow think it is unseemly to ask Sen. Obama
tough questions about his drug use? Oh, that was a long time ago,
they’ll argue. But a 1986 arrest for driving while impaired by Gov.
Palin’s husband — not the candidate — is somehow worthy of extensive
front-page coverage?
Why indeed. Apparently I’m not the only voter/citizen/American trying
to hold accountable the lame-ass excuse for journalists who currently
own, manage, and staff mainstream media outlets.
The outrageously biased, lazy, and dishonest MSM this election year
has shamed and damaged one of America’s most precious institutions, a
free press.
Chavez speaks for me:
With two months left to Election Day, it will be a test of the media’s
integrity to see if they devote as much time delving into Sen. Obama’s
drug use as they did into Bristol Palin’s sex life.
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/
dc
Harry Bailey
Actually, you have completely ignored all the points I've made in
previous posts. You haven't actually made any relevant 'point' in your
posts, except to depoliticize all the issues and retreat into witch-
hunting conspiracy-theory paranoia. So Obama is now The Devil
Incarnate, as all your hysterical, conjured-up counterfactuals
insinuate?
>
> I'll reiterate briefly.
>
> I (me) would rather vote for for McCain and Palin--regardless of how
> I may not agree with various issues
So you'll vote for policies (though you haven't actually specified
any) you disagree with? How very rational of you!
>, including literal religous ideas,
> or perceived "redneckness" ---then a total Liar. They are more
> sincere and he is just a Liar.
I'm intrigued by your notion of 'sincere' here. It reminds me of Tony
Blair's Sincerity: "I GENUINELY believed I did the right thing in
invading Iraq EVEN if it was wrong". Well, you know, Hitler too
believed he was 'sincere' and genuinely doing the right thing. So you
can act as atrociously as you want so long as you feel good about it,
so long as it's 'sincere.' This is what we call (lethal) narcissism.
Politics as self-aggrandizement.
The 'sincerity' of the dumb, ignorant, and naive is a very dangerous
thing, Kelps. And even more dangerous when people believe it to be
'true'.
[Besides, you're presenting a false duality, a fake choice, here, as
though you MUST choose, can only choose, between the two (on the basis
of the supposed lesser of two evils), when in fact the real choice
lies elsewhere].
<hysterical list of counterfactuals snipped>
Really, Kelps, it is the POLICIES pursued by a Democratic or
Republican or Other Administration that is of concern, not paranoia
about politicians' imagined private lives. A McCain/Palin
Administration would have policies even more lethal and deranged than
the present war criminals and property thieves in the White House.
> Srsly harry, I'll pick a moose killing hockey mom and a guy who put
> country and honor first, in the prison camps, over this liar and
> babbling, contradictory, head up his ass, idealogue, any day.
But all you are telling us here, all you are really confessing to
here, is that you are a far-right conservative reactionary, conjuring
up An Absolute Evil Incarnate in order to justify your views, to
rationalize them as 'reasonable' in such a light. Analogous to "We
must vote for this Hitler chap because we've no choice, the
alternative is ARMAGEDDON!!!", so - as history is forever reminding
us - guaranteeing the latter outcome ...
[What's that about 'in the prison camps'??? The only 'heroes' during
the serious war crime that was the invasion of Vietnam, when 3m
Vietnamese were deliberately slaughtered, were those who resisted it,
who tried to stop it, and - in many cases - risked their lives doing
so. Not a mass murdering psycho like McCain.].
kelpzoidzl
These "hysterical, conjured -uo conunterfactuals" are neither
hysterical, conjured-uo or counterfactual.
Srsly Harry, haven't you seen the interviews with Obama supporters on
the street? Images of Pod people come to mind. I remeber more then
one person refer to him as Moses, The Messah as well as other absurd
appelations. This kind of thing is the result of intense medai Kool-
Aid dispensing.
> > I'll reiterate briefly.
>
> > I (me) would rather vote for for McCain and Palin--regardless of how
> > I may not agree with various issues
>
> So you'll vote for policies (though you haven't actually specified
> any) you disagree with? How very rational of you!
No i'll vote for the people who are the most real and the ones I feel
have the best interests of people at heart.
> >, including literal religous ideas,
> > or perceived "redneckness" ---then a total Liar. They are more
> > sincere and he is just a Liar.
>
> I'm intrigued by your notion of 'sincere' here. It reminds me of Tony
> Blair's Sincerity: "I GENUINELY believed I did the right thing in
> invading Iraq EVEN if it was wrong". Well, you know, Hitler too
> believed he was 'sincere' and genuinely doing the right thing. So you
> can act as atrociously as you want so long as you feel good about it,
> so long as it's 'sincere.' This is what we call (lethal) narcissism.
> Politics as self-aggrandizement.
Comparing Blair or Bush to Hitler is absurd---hysterical-----and you
should take a step back and see just how silly this sounds. Last week
you called McCain "Hitler" it makes no sense at all.
The Dumbass Factor of Bush or Blair and how they handled things is
far different from Hitler's insane, ideological, campaign to take
over Europe and then the world, justifed by perverse, psychotic
ideations.
>
> The 'sincerity' of the dumb, ignorant, and naive is a very dangerous
> thing, Kelps. And even more dangerous when people believe it to be
> 'true'.
What is it about these people that is particulary dangerous? That
they are human beings? That they have a 'redneck" quality or that
they have beliefs you don't share? Of course the there is truth to
the old adage that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"---
but the road to "heaven" is also paved with good intentions.
But look at Obama--as Sarah Palin remarks, "what is he going to do
after he parts the waters and cures all disease."
Srsly Harry, if we are going to talk about general human stupidity,
that is one thing and I will agree, but in the context of this real
world, political campaign we are being given some choices on the
ballot, whether put there by fate, happenstance or by an underlying
collective will of people at large. We also have the right to abstain
from voting.
So what is MORE dangerous an elitest Idealogue who has so many words
in his head that he would be unable to make quick decisions in the
face of an emergency, or people who are maybe not cool and elite, but
honest workhorses?
But sure if you have intellectualized all this into the stratosphere
as to turn a simple, true blue, guy like John McCain into Adolph
Hitler or a small town mother of 5 into a demon, then you are gong to
come up with a very biased and miss-the-point, understanding.
> [Besides, you're presenting a false duality, a fake choice, here, as
> though you MUST choose, can only choose, between the two (on the basis
> of the supposed lesser of two evils), when in fact the real choice
> lies elsewhere].
I said there is also the choice to abstain from voting.....but the
danger there should be be obvious.
Ralph Nader is probably more responsible for electing George Bush and
Cheney over Gore and Lieberman, then anyone else.
THAT kind of idealogue is more dangerous, because he put his own
ideological vanity over reality itself.
Obama is the most vanity based presidential candidate I've seen in my
lifetime. He is dangerous and is a liar.
>
> <hysterical list of counterfactuals snipped>
The crux of the problem here. No vetting for Obama. It's all
"snipped." The kool-aid has penetrated into the system. The sacred
cow cannot be held accountable.
>
> Really, Kelps, it is the POLICIES pursued by a Democratic or
> Republican or Other Administration that is of concern, not paranoia
> about politicians' imagined private lives. A McCain/Palin
> Administration would have policies even more lethal and deranged than
> the present war criminals and property thieves in the White House.
>
And how exactly do you arrive at this conclusion? By stifling dissent
and hard questions about Obama? By snipping it?
How is McCain "Hitler" Harry? You just aren't making sense---it's not
"paranoia" to say that the media did a hatchet job on Hillary and yet
she still had more votes then Obama and now the same people are trying
to do a Hatchet job on Palin. Is ther some inherent thing in female
gender that is hated and must not be elected? Perhaps they hate their
moms? Perhaps they came from dysfuntional families and the thought of
a woman in national office enrages them?
Just what is more dangerous?
> > Srsly harry, I'll pick a moose killing hockey mom and a guy who put
> > country and honor first, in the prison camps, over this liar and
> > babbling, contradictory, head up his ass, idealogue, any day.
>
> But all you are telling us here, all you are really confessing to
> here, is that you are a far-right conservative reactionary,
I've never yet voted Republican in my life and I've never been a
member of either party ---but this time I am voting for the war hero
and soccer mom, not the liar.
.>conjuring
> up An Absolute Evil Incarnate in order to justify your views, to
> rationalize them as 'reasonable' in such a light. Analogous to "We
> must vote for this Hitler chap because we've no choice, the
> alternative is ARMAGEDDON!!!", so - as history is forever reminding
> us - guaranteeing the latter outcome ...
This is just nonsense and projection Harry. McCain is not Hitler and
there are no other choices worth a damn in this real world.
If you are intimating that Nader is a better choice that is absurd,
he is not a choice, even had he not gone wacko.
Your Armageddon reference is way off base. Terrorists are very real
and fundamentalist extremist muslims and their beliefs CAN be
compared to Hitler. Were these backwards cultures to become
democratic in their governments, it would be a good thing----
separating church and state is a main part of it--THAT is why we don't
have a Christian totalatarian government inthe US. You seem to be
suggesting that McCain and Palin are the kind of fundamentalists who
would do away with freedom of religion---which is absurd.
>
> [What's that about 'in the prison camps'??? The only 'heroes' during
> the serious war crime that was the invasion of Vietnam, when 3m
> Vietnamese were deliberately slaughtered, were those who resisted it,
> who tried to stop it, and - in many cases - risked their lives doing
> so. Not a mass murdering psycho like McCain.]
and all the ideologues and even Kennedy couldn't prevent it.
McCain was just a guy who became a soldier, coming from a family of
soldiers. His heroism was not betraying his fellow soldiers to save
himself. He may not be conversant with deep theories, but he has
character.
These war things have a life of their own.
Now if we are talking about the evils of war and the ROOT cause
there---that is another topic and get to THAT answer all the political
nonsense needs to be bypassed.
dc
kelpzoidzl
Politically I am a moderate. I support a bit of humanistic-based
socialism.. Universal Health Care should be added to the services the
government provides such as fire deparments, building roads and
parks, police and an army. But I also am all to aware of how
bureaucarcy becomes a nightmare and how dumb people can make a mess of
things. I believe democracy is a good thing, totalitarianism, fascism
or communism is a bad thing. I believe in unity but not mindless
following. I like the ideals found in the constitution and bill of
rights. Freedom of religion is fundamental. I am all for any
constructive efforts to improve life for people.
I am aware that underlying all of this is that the people's
collective level of enlightenment is reflected in how well things are
done.
I am also practical and I see that change is not going to happen
overnight and I would resist any attempts by fanatics of any kind, to
tear the fabric of things apart by any kind of revolution that is
fundamentally shallow.
I am also realistic enough to see that inattention to the rising swell
of fanatics from other countries could destroy this country so I
believe we have no choice but being proactive. I favor ATTEMPTS at
dialogue with the deranged and fanatical, but am practical enough to
know that is tantamount to bending steel girders with one's bare
hands---to penetrate thick and deranged skulls.
Now reading you writings I get the impression that you lean towards
some kind of psychoanalytic communism---whatever the fuck that would
be...:)
dc
Harry Bailey
> On Sep 6, 3:27 am, Harry Bailey <unhomedivis...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 6, 9:47 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > > > --------------------------
>
> > > You aren't yet dealing with the point I made.
>
> > Actually, you have completely ignored all the points I've made in
> > previous posts. You haven't actually made any relevant 'point' in your
> > posts, except to depoliticize all the issues and retreat into witch-
> > hunting conspiracy-theory paranoia. So Obama is now The Devil
> > Incarnate, as all your hysterical, conjured-up counterfactuals
> > insinuate?
>
> These "hysterical, conjured -uo conunterfactuals" are neither
> hysterical, conjured-uo or counterfactual.
You are no longer engaging in rational discourse, Kelps. They are
conjured-up, as hysterical as a medieval witch-hunt, as paranoid as
the infamous 'weapons of mass destruction' in Iraq, based on
disingenuous gossip and hearsay from the unhinged and the deluded
seeking a scapegoat and single (imaginary) cause for all the problems
of the world.
>
> Srsly Harry, haven't you seen the interviews with Obama supporters on
> the street? Images of Pod people come to mind. I remeber more then
> one person refer to him as Moses, The Messah as well as other absurd
> appelations. This kind of thing is the result of intense medai Kool-
> Aid dispensing.
That tells us more about the state of sections of the American public,
their irrational need to believe in some Daddy figure, some magical
Messiah, who will wave his wand and right all the wrongs of the world,
making it 'safe' and unified and with a sentimental Hollywood ending.
>
> > > I'll reiterate briefly.
>
> > > I (me) would rather vote for for McCain and Palin--regardless of how
> > > I may not agree with various issues
>
> > So you'll vote for policies (though you haven't actually specified
> > any) you disagree with? How very rational of you!
>
> No i'll vote for the people who are the most real and the ones I feel
> have the best interests of people at heart.
>
> > >, including literal religous ideas,
> > > or perceived "redneckness" ---then a total Liar. They are more
> > > sincere and he is just a Liar.
>
> > I'm intrigued by your notion of 'sincere' here. It reminds me of Tony
> > Blair's Sincerity: "I GENUINELY believed I did the right thing in
> > invading Iraq EVEN if it was wrong". Well, you know, Hitler too
> > believed he was 'sincere' and genuinely doing the right thing. So you
> > can act as atrociously as you want so long as you feel good about it,
> > so long as it's 'sincere.' This is what we call (lethal) narcissism.
> > Politics as self-aggrandizement.
>
> Comparing Blair or Bush to Hitler is absurd---hysterical-----and you
> should take a step back and see just how silly this sounds. Last week
> you called McCain "Hitler" it makes no sense at all.
What was being compared was their distance from reality and their
egomania, their self-righteousness about mass slaughter, and if they
were allowed to get their way they would indeed end up committing even
worse atrocities, engaging in acts as serious as Hitler and the Nazis
did. But you are not even aware of just what successive US
Administrations do abroad (and indifferent to what the present one is
doing in its own 'homeland'); you simply want fantasy TV
personalities, constructed images that will make you 'feel good'.
>
> The Dumbass Factor of Bush or Blair and how they handled things
Deliberately committing war crimes, invading other countries causing
the deaths of millions of people is no to be trivialized as 'the
dumbass factor'. I suppose the genocide of Native Americans during the
'settlement' of the continent, too, can be deflated to having being 'a
bit silly'. Nothing to cause any concern, nothing to worry about ...
>is
> far different from Hitler's insane, ideological, campaign to take
> over Europe and then the world, justifed by perverse, psychotic
> ideations.
That is always the intention of imperialist powers, from Rome to
Britain to America. Until they are either stopped or implode. Don't
you study history?
>
>
>
> > The 'sincerity' of the dumb, ignorant, and naive is a very dangerous
> > thing, Kelps. And even more dangerous when people believe it to be
> > 'true'.
>
> What is it about these people that is particulary dangerous?
I've already addressed that question countless times, but it now seems
that murder and robbery and destruction is not a problem for you.
>That
> they are human beings?
Banal non-sequiturs are unhelpful. You seem oblivious to social,
economic and political structures (in which these political 'leaders'
merely occupy a position, a position that dictates their policies. The
problem, of course, is that in their egotistical, Oedipal fantasizing,
they then believe themselves to be more than human, rather than
displaying all the limitations of the human.
>That they have a 'redneck" quality or that
> they have beliefs you don't share?
Is this the 'all beliefs are relative' infantilist mantra again?
Believing in murder is equally valid to being against it!
>Of course the there is truth to
> the old adage that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"---
> but the road to "heaven" is also paved with good intentions.
Now you're introducing irrational superstition and supernaturalism
into the political domain. Just what the present ruling classes want,
anything to distract attention from what they are actually doing in
the world. [But aren't you supposed to be a Buddhist? Isn't all this
supposed to be just a mirage? Why would you want to have any interest
in politics, in real world organization, if it all doesn't actually
exist anyway? If all that really exists is your own Ego?]]
>
> But look at Obama--as Sarah Palin remarks, "what is he going to do
> after he parts the waters and cures all disease."
It tells us that Palin resides in a backword world of obscurantist
Biblical allusions and imaginary babblings, a simple-minded
medievalist who shouldn't be anywhere near politics.
>
> Srsly Harry, if we are going to talk about general human stupidity,
> that is one thing and I will agree, but in the context of this real
> world,
I though you didn't believe in such a construct.
> So what is MORE dangerous an elitest Idealogue who has so many words
> in his head that he would be unable to make quick decisions in the
> face of an emergency, or people who are maybe not cool and elite, but
> honest workhorses?
What is this 'quick decision' fantasizing? (like Bush on 9/11?) Even
when politicians have all the time in the world most of them fail in
their 'decisions'. In case you hadn't noticed, there is an 'emergency'
at the moment, not the deflected fantasy one everyone has been
presented with ('war on terror' and similar nonsense), but the one
where the US economy is deliberately being allowed to undergo
meltdown, democracy is being systematically destroyed, and increasing
state terrorism is the order of the day. None of these candidates have
any policies that will directly address these Emergency issues, only
dumb reactionary cliches that will serve to worsen them.
>
> But sure if you have intellectualized all this into the stratosphere
> as to turn a simple, true blue, guy like John McCain into Adolph
> Hitler or a small town mother of 5 into a demon, then you are gong to
> come up with a very biased and miss-the-point, understanding.
Whatever are you talking about? Your thumb-nail portrayal of these
people is indeed quaint, straight out of a Disneyland cartoon. And
completely irrelevant.
It is the POLICIES they explicitly and publicly support, endorse,
defend, that are completely insane and fundamentally fascist.
[Actually, Hitler was also a 'simple, true blue, guy' who also firmly
believed in 'family values']
>
> > [Besides, you're presenting a false duality, a fake choice, here, as
> > though you MUST choose, can only choose, between the two (on the basis
> > of the supposed lesser of two evils), when in fact the real choice
> > lies elsewhere].
>
> I said there is also the choice to abstain from voting.....but the
> danger there should be be obvious.
Actual change will require much more than the consumerist spectacle
that is US party politics.
>
> Ralph Nader is probably more responsible for electing George Bush and
> Cheney over Gore and Lieberman, then anyone else.
This is like arguing that those who are anti-fascist are responsible
for fascism. No, the people who voted for Bush are responsible for
'electing' him.
>
> THAT kind of idealogue is more dangerous, because he put his own
> ideological vanity over reality itself.
I'm not so sure you understand the term 'ideologue', as you seem to be
invoking it to describe anyone whose political views you disagree
with, indeed anyone who draws attention to the political, who makes
one aware that we live in a political world. This is the opposite of
ideology: ideology depoliticizes, it 'naturalizes' the world, making
everything seem 'self-evident' and 'commonsensical' (to the point, for
instance, where invading another country becomes perfectly normal and
'reasonable' behaviour, where slavery is something 'self-evidently'
accepted, where racism and misogyny is 'just the way things are', etc.
In other words, ideology depoliticizes the world, renders the
political unconscious, becoming made up of “unknown knowns”; that is
to say, the problem with ideology is not that it is a 'falsehood' of
which we might be persuaded, but because it is a 'truth' that we
already accept without even knowing it. The political unscrambles
this. But of course for this very reason American mainstream party-
political 'politics' is ideological, is not political, but is instead
a simple-minded mediatized spectacle about 'feel good personalities'
who neither feel good nor have personalities (but are more like
cartoon simulations of Hollywood cardboard cut-outs) and whose
unexamined policies are ultimately indistinguishable, because the real
of politics is disavowed.
>
> Obama is the most vanity based presidential candidate I've seen in my
> lifetime. He is dangerous and is a liar.
Is this because he opposed the invasion of Iraq? [Not that he isn't
capable of war-mongering hysteria himself, with his sabre-rattling
about Iran, Pakistan, Russia, Israel-Palestine, etc]. Because he is a
man of colour? He is actually extremely conservative, and, like almost
all Democratic and Republican politicians throughout history, a puppet
of power. American, as elsewhere, still believe in the infantilist
myth that 'one man' (or woman), a Daddy or a Mommy, can Change The
World. Only social movements can do that, as - again - a perusal of
history makes starkly clear.
>
>
>
> > <hysterical list of counterfactuals snipped>
>
> The crux of the problem here. No vetting for Obama. It's all
> "snipped." The kool-aid has penetrated into the system. The sacred
> cow cannot be held accountable.
This makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever.
>
>
>
> > Really, Kelps, it is the POLICIES pursued by a Democratic or
> > Republican or Other Administration that is of concern, not paranoia
> > about politicians' imagined private lives. A McCain/Palin
> > Administration would have policies even more lethal and deranged than
> > the present war criminals and property thieves in the White House.
>
> And how exactly do you arrive at this conclusion? By stifling dissent
> and hard questions about Obama? By snipping it?
Because they are irrelevant, paranoid destractions from actual
political issues.
>
> How is McCain "Hitler" Harry?
See above.
>You just aren't making sense---it's not
> "paranoia" to say that the media did a hatchet job on Hillary and yet
> she still had more votes then Obama and now the same people are trying
> to do a Hatchet job on Palin.
>Is ther some inherent thing in female
> gender that is hated and must not be elected?
Huh? Palin is probably the most anti-feminist woman in American
politics, which, of course, is why she was plucked from obscurity by
the 'old boys' and Christian fundamentalists. She appeals primarily to
misogynists and social reactionaries [and as you should know, feminism
and social justice has nothing to do with being 'female' or 'male':
more women than men voted for that manic misogynist, Bush ...]
> Your Armageddon reference is way off base. Terrorists are very real
> and fundamentalist extremist muslims and their beliefs CAN be
> compared to Hitler. Were these backwards cultures
This is what we call racism, Kelps. The biggest, most dangerous
'terrorists' in the world this past 8 years are in the fucking White
House, responsible for the deaths of millions and the poverty of many
times more.
>to become
> democratic in their governments, it would be a good thing----
> separating church and state is a main part of it--THAT is why we don't
> have a Christian totalatarian government inthe US. You seem to be
> suggesting that McCain and Palin are the kind of fundamentalists who
> would do away with freedom of religion---which is absurd.
Do away with politics. They're totalitarians, always Right ('because
God told me').
>
>
>
> > [What's that about 'in the prison camps'??? The only 'heroes' during
> > the serious war crime that was the invasion of Vietnam, when 3m
> > Vietnamese were deliberately slaughtered, were those who resisted it,
> > who tried to stop it, and - in many cases - risked their lives doing
> > so. Not a mass murdering psycho like McCain.]
>
> and all the ideologues and even Kennedy couldn't prevent it.
>
> McCain was just a guy who became a soldier, coming from a family of
> soldiers.
So did Hitler! And numerous other reactionaries. Whatever is the
point you are struggling to make? Haven't these questions all been
already addressed in previous posts?
>His heroism was not betraying his fellow soldiers to save
> himself. He may not be conversant with deep theories, but he has
> character.
>
> These war things have a life of their own.
>
> Now if we are talking about the evils of war and the ROOT cause
> there---that is another topic and get to THAT answer all the political
> nonsense needs to be bypassed.
That must be the nuttiest statement you've made so far ... [war has
nothing to do with politics?].
I think you should maybe stick to your Buddhism (or alternatively,
read up a little about Politics).
kelpzoidzl
> On Sep 6, 6:51 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 6, 3:27 am, Harry Bailey <unhomedivis...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 6, 9:47 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > --------------------------
>
> > > > You aren't yet dealing with the point I made.
>
> > > Actually, you have completely ignored all the points I've made in
> > > previous posts. You haven't actually made any relevant 'point' in your
> > > posts, except to depoliticize all the issues and retreat into witch-
> > > hunting conspiracy-theory paranoia. So Obama is now The Devil
> > > Incarnate, as all your hysterical, conjured-up counterfactuals
> > > insinuate?
>
> > These "hysterical, conjured -uo conunterfactuals" are neither
> > hysterical, conjured-uo or counterfactual.
>
> You are no longer engaging in rational discourse, Kelps. They are
> conjured-up, as hysterical as a medieval witch-hunt, as paranoid as
> the infamous 'weapons of mass destruction' in Iraq, based on
> disingenuous gossip and hearsay from the unhinged and the deluded
> seeking a scapegoat and single (imaginary) cause for all the problems
> of the world.
Harry it's absurb to be comparing any of these people to "hitler" How
rational is that?
Take what you are saying above and apply it to your own statements.
And maybe try doing some actual research on these criticism about
Obama lying,
In general I think you are so locked up in political labeling and
theory, you are having a problem seeing things realistically.
dc
kelpzoidzl
> That tells us more about the state of sections of the American public,
> their irrational need to believe in some Daddy figure, some magical
> Messiah, who will wave his wand and right all the wrongs of the world,
> making it 'safe' and unified and with a sentimental Hollywood ending.
This is exactly what Obama and the Obamaites expect people to
believe. Drink the magic kool-aid and Moses Obama will part the red
sea.
dc
kelpzoidzl
Harry this is way too extreme. These are decent human beings not
people intent on killing people.
You are talking over the top and doing a shit load of projecting.
Get to know the difference between Liars, and bungling morons will
you? You have to take it on a case by case basis.
The whole idea that the Bush administration is this demonic force is
absurd and in the realm of crazy conspiracy mongering. People really
believed there were WMD's and there is no question that there were at
least some chemical and biological weapons and also no doubt that
there are people who still want them.
You don't realize it, but you are defeating your own argument. What
exactly is your solution to all this? You never propose any solution,
you just want to call everyone Hitler and then talk theory. Are you a
position in real life top do anything about it? Just talk and
criticism will accomplish nothing.
What is your solutions--let's hear it?
dc
Harry Bailey
Oh really? The average American's 'attitude' to Arabs, Muslims etc (as
'terrorists' and similar unhinged paranoia) is now ominously
comparable to that of Germans to Jews and other groups in the 1930s,
while the value system - imperialist, fascist, family-values,
'Christian' values, etc - is also comparable, though admittedly today
it's all through a postmodern, 'ironic', ('I'm not racist, no no, it's
just that we have to clamp down on all these imigrants and foreign
types, cuz like they're terroristic vermin aren't they?' etc etc)
nihilistic lense ...
So let's just see now:
"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty
to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will
preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has
been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national
morality, and the family as the basis of national life." : Adolph
Hitler, My New World Order, Proclamation to the German Nation at
Berlin, February 1, 1933
"I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it,
but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to
happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me
to do it." -George W. Bush commenting to Texas evangelist James
Robinson in the run-up to his presidential campaign.
kelpzoidzl
with these militant, and bizarre fundamentalist terrorists who truely
believe that by killing YOU they can go to heaven?
Are you going to woo them with lectures? redistribute wealth? What
Harry? What's you plan?
Sorry but I think Sarah Barracuda will be better for the job and be a
better example of NORMAL.....to these adversaries, then someone who is
already a liar--lying to the country----before he's even left the
starting gate.
But besides all of that-------What is your plan and solutiion to all
this? You've distanced yourself from Obama too....you've mentioned
Nadar, so who's your choice?
Where is the manual for your revolution, who wrote it or do you need
to write it?
Theory is not actuality. Convincing people about a theoretical POV,
without some actual proof in actuality, is weak and forever
unconvincing.
dc
kelpzoidzl
> On Sep 7, 12:24 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh really? The average American's 'attitude' to Arabs, Muslims etc (as
> 'terrorists' and similar unhinged paranoia) is now ominously
> comparable to that of Germans to Jews and other groups in the 1930s,>>>>>>>>
The Jews didn't suddenly bomb the germans and kill many thousands in a
huge terrorist surprise attack on their biggest city.--in this case
New York City.
What exactly do you expect people will think about radical extremists
that preach fanatical religion and then bomb you out of the blue in a
surprise attack?
Do you think we should make nice with that?
Again...what is YOUR plan? Your agenda here? your solution to all of
this?
dc
kelpzoidzl
This does not make him Hitler dude. it might make him a superstitous
and dumb guy, but he's not anywhere near comparable to Hitler.
The president's job is to protect the nation from the aggression of
others evne if their efforts bungle the job, it's not Hitler.
What is your solution....we already know how you feel about it, but
there is no clue as to your solution..?
dc
Harry Bailey
I think you are still failing to realise that the 'choice' being
presented in this ridiculous 'election' is totally fake, and won't
have any fundamental impact on the structure of power in America nor
on its murderous forpol and attack on the poor.
As argued elsewhere: "For people who consider Sarah Palin so
frightening as President, in the event of McCain's death, I invite
them to look at Joe Biden's record in the Senate to consider what
would happen if Obama died. Very militaristic, anti-civil liberties
and pro-business.
Reading through the media circus, I have difficulty making out why it
is so important to vote for Obama, other than questions of political
style and communcation. McCain would continue with the Bush era
"plunder" (a dubious assertion, McCain hasn't been happy with it), but
Obama wouldn't, even though he's bankrolled by Wall Street? Wouldn't
it be more accurate to say that we will see a different kind of
plunder?
And, then, many say, forget Obama's sabre rattling over Iran and
Pakistan? Why? By all accounts, he's serious about it, and a couple of
days ago, the US carried out his policy with the first publicly
acknowledged use of troops inside Pakistan, resulting in the deaths of
20 Pakistani civilians. In other words, in both Iraq, Afghanistan
(where more troops are on the way) and Pakistan, we are seeing the
Bush administration adopt Obama policy in advance of his presidency.
Afghanistan/Pakistan is looking more and more like the next great
bloodbath, much worse than what we have seen to date, but, at least we
will be back to "normal". Meanwhile, expect a big bailout of Fannie
Mae/Freddie Mac regardless of who wins the election, and the
relentless imposition of neoliberal policies upon the victims of the
housing bubble and the credit crunch.
As explained by Adolph Reed recently, this campaign has exposed the
extent to which the left and the right in the US has developed a
contempt for the poor and the working poor, coalescing around
doctrines of self-help and personal responsibility that places the
blame for their condition almost entirely upon them. So, you can vote
for the right wing version (McCain) or the left wing version (Obama).
Basically, the only compelling argument for Obama is that he would
make some budgetary decisions that would direct more funds on the
margins toward cities, the poor, education, the environment, with less
hostility towards immigrants. If the economy doesn't go in the tank,
of course. That is a legitimate reason to vote for him, because even
those paltry dollars might make a critical difference in someone's
life. That's basically it."
And Palin, as with many others in the mediatized political sphere, is
essentially a Hollywoodized, media construct - but one with
overwhelmingly fascist overtones (there's a well-documented reason why
someone like Leni Riefenstahl appealed to all the leading Nazis): on
the symbolic level, she is the fertile mother standing beside the
ageing warrior, the Barbie doll with masculinized 'guts' in awe of the
mad, erratic despot defending the 'homeland' against the Evil Other,
as preached in countless Hollywood movies. This is how mystical
militaristic nationalism has always presented itself.
Harry Bailey
You are no longer actually engaging in a discussion, Kelps, just
sinking further into hysteria and demented justifications for the
murderous status quo, any questioning of which is met with a delirial
"But what's the alternative? What's your plan?" etc. What's the
alternative to mass murder and mass plunder?
>These are decent human beings not
> people intent on killing people.
But it is 'decent human beings' who become the worst, Kelps. They are
not just 'intent on killing people', THEY ARE KILLING PEOPLE, MILLIONS
OF THEM, AND CURRENTLY INTENDING TO BULLY, INTIMIDATE AND KILL YET
MORE. But it's okay, cuz they're all just 'terrorists', just like the
Jews were all just 'vermin'.
> You are talking over the top and doing a shit load of projecting.
No, you are in pretty radical denial, your head congenitally in the
sand.
>
> Get to know the difference between Liars,
But all your posts in this thread demonstrate clearly that you're
actively engaged in self-deception, in lying to yourself about what is
happening in the world.
> The whole idea that the Bush administration is this demonic force is
> absurd and in the realm of crazy conspiracy mongering.
But you are the one claiming that Obama is precisely this. Are you
trying to claim, even now after eight years of sheer murderous and
irresponsibly madness by the Bush Administration that its members are
all just a bunch of 'decent human beings'?
Really, Kelps, it is pointless attempting any further rational
discussion with you. You're a broadcast puppet for FOX news crazed
propaganda, chronically and radically colonized by far-right fascist
demagoguery ... but I'm not at all surprised; it fits like a glove all
your other pseudo-Buddhist solipsistic bullshiting ... [and remember,
the 'holy' Dalai Lama actively met with, colluded and collaborated
with the Nazis in the 1930s for purposes of preserving Tibet's
oppressive feudalism over which he despotically presided ...].
End of discussion.
kelpzoidzl
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Nice solution there, Harry.
Someday you might figure out that empty words mean nothing and
calling people "Hitler," as your final solution is silly and when that
day happens I hope you remember this converstion.
dc
dc
kelpzoidzl
Take your pill now Harry. I knew this would end badly.
dc
kelpzoidzl
kelpzoidzl
>
> dc
Funny Harry logs onto his alternate logins and rate all his own posts
with 5 stars in this and other threads,
Shameless.
Sorry Harry, many of your posts are excellent, especially about
Kubrick, but "if you go carry in pictures of Chairman Mao, you
aren't going to make it with anyone anyhow."
This totally sums it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87yq372R4Ts
dc
Wordsmith
Perhaps you haven't known Harry/Paddy long, but if you don't
agree with every single particle of his politics, you are
automatically
deemed a Hitler. The problem with screaming this all the time
should be obvious: the "Boy who cried wolf" effect will eventually
kick in. When the next Hitler *does* appear, he won't be noticed...
until it's too late.
W : (
ichorwhip
> On Sep 7, 9:57 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 8:01 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > LOL
>
> > > The tragic comedy
>
> > >http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/oopsies-my-muslim-...
>
> > > dc
>
> > Funny Harry logs onto his alternate logins and rate all his own posts
> > with 5 stars in this and other threads,
>
> > Shameless.
How do you know he did that for sure Kelpsy?
> > Sorry Harry, many of your posts are excellent, especially about
> > Kubrick, but "if you go carry in pictures of Chairman Mao, you
> > aren't going to make it with anyone anyhow."
>
> > This totally sums it up.
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87yq372R4Ts
>
> > dc
>
> Perhaps you haven't known Harry/Paddy long, but if you don't
> agree with every single particle of his politics, you are
> automatically
> deemed a Hitler.
I don't agree with that Word. Padraig can appear quite reactionary,
but the key to getting his respect, which is attainable, seems to be
comprehending and at least respecting his views however alien to "The
American Way" they may be. Agreeing with him really has nothing to do
with it imo; if you don't go goosestepping all over him praps he won't
throw his ricebowl at you.
Harry Bailey
Automatically deemed a Hitler? Whetever are you - yet again, in your
complacent delirium - mumbling and ranting about? Your fantasizing is,
as ever - as this newsgroup's longest standing, simple-minded right
wing smugonaut - further evidence of your status as an inside joke
hereabouts.
I realise you think that by placing a particular construction on my
words, you can extrapolate what you want to hear, and then engage with
that delusion in your drearily predictable vacuous soundbites. But
that isn't the basis for a serious discussion.
kelpzoidzl
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>
> - Show quoted text -
I'd hardly call, critcism of Harry's use of the word "hitler" or
saying Obama is a liar --"goose stepping."
I tried to keep the thread amiable. My POV is to point out that I'd
rather vote for McCain and Palin then a big fat liar---and I've never
voted republican in my life.
In my last 5 or so posts before Harry went ballistic---I asked him
over and over "OKAY---WHAT IS YOU PLAN? WHAT MANUAL DO YOU USE OR DO
YOU HAVE TO WRITE A MANUAL? TELL US YOUR SOLUTION!\
WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION HARRY--I am more then willing to listen????
His avoidance of that question means he has been trying to figure that
out for years and still doesn't know, so he is still stuck in theory
and criticizing. Just criticizing is NO solution. And hopefully he
realizes Bombing things is no solution either.
Tomorrow a book will be released that will be a major best seller and
will educate the average person as to the deceptions---in my view
Obama has betrayed the Dems (especially Hillary) and has suckered the
rest of these unreliable people that became the entirely
dysfunctional top of the party, into becoming a very corrupt party. We
could end up with race riots before this is all over. No wisdom at
all.
You can get a free chapter of this book at www.audacityofdeceit.com
I recommend the one called "Trust" you can also get some other
chapters with other email addresses. I do plan to buy the book. What
I've read so far is totally solid.
The guy who wrote it, was an long time friend and confidant to Reagan
while Reagan was Gov of California and as Pres. it is very credbile,
even to those who have for years considered themselves "liberals."
We are actually lucky we have the choice of McCain and Palin---it
could have been much worse-----he is NOT part of the current regime
and HAS been a maverick. he does has character--whihc most of
washington seems to not have, In 2000 he was even considering
changing to the Dem party--at this point it's good that he didn't.
People need to also keep in mind that the big financial problems have
happened WHILE the Dems have had control of congress.
dc
Wordsmith
I'm not a right winger. I do like inside jokes, however.
> I realise you think that by placing a particular construction on my
> words, you can extrapolate what you want to hear, and then engage with
> that delusion in your drearily predictable vacuous soundbites. But
> that isn't the basis for a serious discussion.
I'm the most serious person here.
W : )
kelpzoidzl
>
/agreed
And I read Padraig for years too, but rarely got involved while all
that was happening.
I will admit I forget/forgot just how extremist he gets.
I DO think he writes some great stuff but seems to have cycles where
he loses perspective, which utterly destroys his objectivity and
reasonableness.
dc
Wordsmith
Thanks for this post, Klep. Theory is fine in its place, but
every now and then an excursion into reality would be
welcome. Excuse me, but I have to goose step over to
Fascist Headquarters for a meeting. We're planning on
carpet bombing Ireland. It's my way of staying real. *chuckle*
W ; )
ichorwhip
> On Sep 8, 2:25 pm, ichorwhip <ichorw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 8, 4:07 pm, Wordsmith <wordsm...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 7, 9:57 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 7, 8:01 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > LOL
>
> > > > > The tragic comedy
>
> > > > >http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/oopsies-my-muslim-...
>
> > > > > dc
>
> > > > Funny Harry logs onto his alternate logins and rate all his own posts
> > > > with 5 stars in this and other threads,
>
> > > > Shameless.
>
> > How do you know he did that for sure Kelpsy?
You didn't answer my question.
Neither would I, in fact I didn't. It was in reference to overall
attitude and appearence based on things one says. I didn't even name
names. The "you" was an anonymous one...
> I tried to keep the thread amiable.
I've got no problem with that Kelp old man. I notice that you've
curbed your "ballistics" lately and hope you keep it up fwiw...
> My POV is to point out that I'd
> rather vote for McCain and Palin then a big fat liar---and I've never
> voted republican in my life.
Of course no one will be offended or draw any conclusions on your
political stance or attitude based on calling the senator a "big fat
liar..." He's a politician in the American tradition isn't he? If
his lips move, he/she must be lying, and that goes for both sides.
> In my last 5 or so posts before Harry went ballistic---I asked him
> over and over "OKAY---WHAT IS YOU PLAN? WHAT MANUAL DO YOU USE OR DO
> YOU HAVE TO WRITE A MANUAL? TELL US YOUR SOLUTION!\
>
> WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION HARRY--I am more then willing to listen????
I don't think he owed you an answer SUCH AS YOU DEMAND.
> His avoidance of that question means he has been trying to figure that
> out for years and still doesn't know, so he is still stuck in theory
> and criticizing. Just criticizing is NO solution. And hopefully he
> realizes Bombing things is no solution either.
Harry's into bombing things? LOL!
> Tomorrow a book will be released that will be a major best seller and
> will educate the average person as to the deceptions---in my view
> Obama has betrayed the Dems (especially Hillary) and has suckered the
> rest of these unreliable people that became the entirely
> dysfunctional top of the party, into becoming a very corrupt party. We
> could end up with race riots before this is all over. No wisdom at
> all.
I'm not disagreeing or dismissing much here. My gut told me that for
political expediency he maybe should have chosen Hillary instead of
the Mouth of the Delaware (sorry Senator, but you're used to it), but
I could be wrong, afterall it was just a hunch. Right now the
important thing to remember is that all of this campaign is just about
winning; what the winner will actually do must necessarily remain to
be seen. My advice is to swear off Kool Aid of any kind, but also pay
close attention so you can call the winner on their lies later on.
Whoever lies the least prolly won't win; it's really out of the
individual voter's hands.
> You can get a free chapter of this book atwww.audacityofdeceit.com
> I recommend the one called "Trust" you can also get some other
> chapters with other email addresses. I do plan to buy the book. What
> I've read so far is totally solid.
>
> The guy who wrote it, was an long time friend and confidant to Reagan
> while Reagan was Gov of California and as Pres. it is very credbile,
> even to those who have for years considered themselves "liberals."
I don't think I need a book to tell me what I prolly already know.
> We are actually lucky we have the choice of McCain and Palin---it
> could have been much worse-----he is NOT part of the current regime
> and HAS been a maverick.
I wish he was a Mustang instead! Reminds me more of a Studebaker...
> he does has character--whihc most of
> washington seems to not have, In 2000 he was even considering
> changing to the Dem party--at this point it's good that he didn't.
I'd much rather have a true independent or Jesus, but that's
impossible. We'll get whatever the plutocracy dictates. Oooo, I can
feel hot Kool Aid vomit coming my way for saying that!
> People need to also keep in mind that the big financial problems have
> happened WHILE the Dems have had control of congress.
It's sort of true, and Speaker Pelosi definitely can't say she's
accomplished much for one; she's definitely not as tough as she
thought she was, and praps she needs replaced as I'm just about sure
her massive ego won't allow her to step down however incompetent and
powerless she becomes and subsequently denies.
"Perhaps it might be better, Mr. President, if you were more concerned
with the American people, than with your image in the history books."
i
"piop"
kelpzoidzl
Ok.
>
> > I tried to keep the thread amiable.
>
> I've got no problem with that Kelp old man. I notice that you've
> curbed your "ballistics" lately and hope you keep it up fwiw...
Show me any post where I go "ballistic." Where I am not doing it
entirely in the defensive, outnumbered and defending against total
flames, when I simply realate personal knowledge? or with Reididiot of
course.
>
> > My POV is to point out that I'd
> > rather vote for McCain and Palin then a big fat liar---and I've never
> > voted republican in my life.
>
> Of course no one will be offended or draw any conclusions on your
> political stance or attitude based on calling the senator a "big fat
> liar..." He's a politician in the American tradition isn't he? If
> his lips move, he/she must be lying, and that goes for both sides.
>
If he's human his lips move, but this propensity for lying, comes in
degree as we all know and there are even people who do not lie except
to the childish or dangerous.
> > In my last 5 or so posts before Harry went ballistic---I asked him
> > over and over "OKAY---WHAT IS YOU PLAN? WHAT MANUAL DO YOU USE OR DO
> > YOU HAVE TO WRITE A MANUAL? TELL US YOUR SOLUTION!\
>
> > WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION HARRY--I am more then willing to listen????
>
> I don't think he owed you an answer SUCH AS YOU DEMAND.
If he is going to criticize as belligerently as he does, preaching
to the choir that already knows there are problems in the world, then
he needs to have a replacement plan or a solution for what has been
going on all throughout human history. Otherwise it's all hot air.
Calling all of these people Hitler is way out of line and bordering
on the crazed. No, he doesn't "owe" me an answer, but all
credibility is gone if he offers no solution. It's just negativity
with no end......we've hear it all before, move on, there is nothing
there to see, but attempts at attention getting and elitest commie
crap. I know a commie when I see one Mandrake.
And as I said I am more then willing to listen and share opinion as
well---thats called dialogue. If he chooses to rave flamboyently
about the evils of reality then what is his solution? Listening to
him bitch? Vote for a liar and scammer? Turning over all assets to
the Politburo in his mind? The revolution? (pick one) Or maybe he
wants to be King?
Get in line to take your place in the Psychoanalytic Neo-Lacanian
testing center with a Lithium dosed proctor.......or proctologist.
> > His avoidance of that question means he has been trying to figure that
> > out for years and still doesn't know, so he is still stuck in theory
> > and criticizing. Just criticizing is NO solution. And hopefully he
> > realizes Bombing things is no solution either.
>
> Harry's into bombing things? LOL!
People behaving like Harry (calling people Hitler etc.) snap all the
time after a lifetime of frustration when the lesser beings that
plague him don't understand just how brilliant they are. I don't
want to push Harry over the edge.
I worked 20 years in the back wards. I''ve seen and heard it
all-------seen all the permutations of absurdity.
> > Tomorrow a book will be released that will be a major best seller and
> > will educate the average person as to the deceptions---in my view
> > Obama has betrayed the Dems (especially Hillary) and has suckered the
> > rest of these unreliable people that became the entirely
> > dysfunctional top of the party, into becoming a very corrupt party. We
> > could end up with race riots before this is all over. No wisdom at
> > all.
>
> I'm not disagreeing or dismissing much here. My gut told me that for
> political expediency he maybe should have chosen Hillary instead of
> the Mouth of the Delaware (sorry Senator, but you're used to it), but
> I could be wrong, afterall it was just a hunch. Right now the
> important thing to remember is that all of this campaign is just about
> winning; what the winner will actually do must necessarily remain to
> be seen. My advice is to swear off Kool Aid of any kind, but also pay
> close attention so you can call the winner on their lies later on.
> Whoever lies the least prolly won't win; it's really out of the
> individual voter's hands.
I subscribe to the strict non-kool-aid diet.
> > You can get a free chapter of this book atwww.audacityofdeceit.com
> > I recommend the one called "Trust" you can also get some other
> > chapters with other email addresses. I do plan to buy the book. What
> > I've read so far is totally solid.
>
> > The guy who wrote it, was an long time friend and confidant to Reagan
> > while Reagan was Gov of California and as Pres. it is very credbile,
> > even to those who have for years considered themselves "liberals."
>
> I don't think I need a book to tell me what I prolly already know.
You probably have guessed already. The book helps organize the
topics.
>
> > We are actually lucky we have the choice of McCain and Palin---it
> > could have been much worse-----he is NOT part of the current regime
> > and HAS been a maverick.
>
> I wish he was a Mustang instead! Reminds me more of a Studebaker...
Better then the Corvairs that exploded. or the Austin Americas that
had door handles fall of the first time you go to open the window.
> > he does has character--which most of
> > Washington seems to not have, In 2000 he was even considering
> > changing to the Dem party--at this point it's good that he didn't.
>
> I'd much rather have a true independent or Jesus, but that's
> impossible. We'll get whatever the plutocracy dictates. Oooo, I can
> feel hot Kool Aid vomit coming my way for saying that!
No. No kool aid here. 2 weeks ago before the Palin choice, I was just
not going to vote or write in Hillary. The Palin choice showed me the
guy is far more on the ball then I thought. Now i see the guys is a
sincere old man--who didn't rat on his buddies, who means what he
says and has actual ethics. Since we don't have Buddha.JesusStarbaby
as a choice.
> > People need to also keep in mind that the big financial problems have
> happened WHILE the Dems have had control of congress.
>
> It's sort of true, and Speaker Pelosi definitely can't say she's
> accomplished much for one; she's definitely not as tough as she
> thought she was, and praps she needs replaced as I'm just about sure
> her massive ego won't allow her to step down however incompetent and
> powerless she becomes and subsequently denies.
>
> "Perhaps it might be better, Mr. President, if you were more concerned
> with the American people, than with your image in the history books."
> i
> "piop"- Hide quoted text -
I will admit I used to think they were just good 'democrats, Pelosi
and Dean et. al. really didin't look at too much...I'm even somewhat
disgusted with Gore and Hillary at this point. Bill has seemed to
bite his tongue harder then anyone.
dc
ichorwhip
<snips>
> > > > > > Funny Harry logs onto his alternate logins and rate all his own posts
> > > > > > with 5 stars in this and other threads,
>
> > > > > > Shameless.
>
> > > > How do you know he did that for sure Kelpsy?
>
> > You didn't answer my question.
You must not have any proof since you keep ignoring me on this.
> > I don't think he owed you an answer SUCH AS YOU DEMAND.
>
> If he is going to criticize as belligerently as he does, preaching
> to the choir that already knows there are problems in the world, then
> he needs to have a replacement plan or a solution for what has been
> going on all throughout human history. Otherwise it's all hot air.
Yep! It's at least warm and what some "westerners" would consider it
yellow, but I refuse to invalidate what he's got to say simply because
he has no solutions for the problems he attacks. Maybe what he's
saying is that The United States needs to close, just have a going-out-
of-business sale and shut down. Anyway, if you want to publish your
own solutions go for it!
> Calling all of these people Hitler is way out of line and bordering
> on the crazed. No, he doesn't "owe" me an answer, but all
> credibility is gone if he offers no solution.
I don't think so. Where's your solution?
> > > His avoidance of that question means he has been trying to figure that
> > > out for years and still doesn't know, so he is still stuck in theory
> > > and criticizing. Just criticizing is NO solution. And hopefully he
> > > realizes Bombing things is no solution either.
>
> > Harry's into bombing things? LOL!
>
> People behaving like Harry (calling people Hitler etc.) snap all the
> time after a lifetime of frustration when the lesser beings that
> plague him don't understand just how brilliant they are. I don't
> want to push Harry over the edge.
It's just that I've seen him more often than not (and "commie" or not)
stand up against the willful criminal activity of oppressive
governments and crimes against humanity in general. I think that's
good no matter what your political persuasion is.
> > > We are actually lucky we have the choice of McCain and Palin---it
> > > could have been much worse-----he is NOT part of the current regime
> > > and HAS been a maverick.
>
> > I wish he was a Mustang instead! Reminds me more of a Studebaker...
>
> Better then the Corvairs that exploded.
McCain's Dangerous At Any Speed! Vote Nader! It's almost as symbolic
as not voting at all.
> No. No kool aid here. 2 weeks ago before the Palin choice, I was just
> not going to vote or write in Hillary. The Palin choice showed me the
> guy is far more on the ball then I thought.
I thought it was a "juke" right out the Rove Playbook of Dirty Tricks
myself. Also it shows how McCain just loves to stir up a ruckus and
with an evil laugh at that. I called his RNC speech "Operation
Prometheus" as well, heh! My only dim hope is that when he does
assume command, calmer voices prevail, and he heeds his handlers
instead of just blowing his top in a one-man chorus of worldwide "fuck
you's!"
> Now i see the guys is a
> sincere old man--who didn't rat on his buddies, who means what he
> says and has actual ethics. Since we don't have Buddha.JesusStarbaby
> as a choice.
I hope you're right, but I have fears. I think McCain is pretty scary
still, he's got crazy eyes, but he may just do right despite what
even the most alarmist critics say because he wants to be remembered
for doing something worthwhile while he's not just bombing the shit
out of all comers. The flip side is just what in the hell would Obama
do anyway? I think he's more of question mark than McCain. He's
already turning into a hawk of sorts by taking on Smokin' Joe Biden.
What happened to give peace a chance?
> > > People need to also keep in mind that the big financial problems have
>
> > happened WHILE the Dems have had control of congress.
>
> > It's sort of true, and Speaker Pelosi definitely can't say she's
> > accomplished much for one; she's definitely not as tough as she
> > thought she was, and praps she needs replaced as I'm just about sure
> > her massive ego won't allow her to step down however incompetent and
> > powerless she becomes and subsequently denies.
>
> > "Perhaps it might be better, Mr. President, if you were more concerned
> > with the American people, than with your image in the history books."
> > i
> > "piop"- Hide quoted text -
>
> I will admit I used to think they were just good 'democrats, Pelosi
> and Dean et. al.
That maniac Dean? I still can't fathom why that rabid man is in
charge of the Democratic Party.
> really didin't look at too much...I'm even somewhat
> disgusted with Gore and Hillary at this point. Bill has seemed to
> bite his tongue harder then anyone.
I'd take him for a third term over the madcap and the question mark
anytime, but I still don't like his wife. Her speech at the DNC
sounded like a George Harrison song, you know "I Me Mine! I me Mine! I
me Mine!" So bitter! It killed her to give in to Obama; I thought
her face was going to crack.
"Thank you, no. I do not support the work of imperialist stooges."
i
"piop"
kelpzoidzl
> On Sep 8, 9:20 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snips>
>
> > > > > > > Funny Harry logs onto his alternate logins and rate all his own posts
> > > > > > > with 5 stars in this and other threads,
>
> > > > > > > Shameless.
>
> > > > > How do you know he did that for sure Kelpsy?
>
> > > You didn't answer my question.
I meant to answer that, but there were more important things to
discuss.
No of course there is no proof.
But Srsly
Someone goes to all his posts and gives them 5 stars? The ghost of
Karl Marx? Or the Ghost of Padraig and Elvira Humbly?
At any rate Harry is busy on numerous threads. Stamping his feet and
dreaming of eternal fire and ice.
That rest of my reply to the below I'll post later.
dc
kelpzoidzl
> On Sep 8, 9:10 pm, ichorwhip <ichorw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I don't think he owed you an answer SUCH AS YOU DEMAND.
>
> > If he is going to criticize as belligerently as he does, preaching
> > to the choir that already knows there are problems in the world, then
> > he needs to have a replacement plan or a solution for what has been
> > going on all throughout human history. Otherwise it's all hot air.
> Yep! It's at least warm and what some "westerners" would consider it
> yellow, but I refuse to invalidate what he's got to say simply because
> he has no solutions for the problems he attacks. Maybe what he's
> saying is that The United States needs to close, just have a going-out-
> of-business sale and shut down.
But this great redistributiion of wealth presided over by Harry---what
would this campaign/revolution be called?
1. Neo-Upmanshipians
2. Flamboyent Squibists for endless Hairsplitting
3. Global Zizekian Slum Savers for the Phallic Purity
4. The Hypercaffeinated Polylithiumneeders for Ratiional Genocidal
Pedantry?
At any moment he may transform into Strelnikov and smash down our
doors, to take our cats to feed the starving masses.
Anyway, if you want to publish your
> own solutions go for it!
I do know the solution but since it requires pratice and effort far
more then theory, it would have to be serious seeking minds
enquiring about it and people willing to practice.
Ultimately real, proper, most naturally generic, correct yogic
practice is the only way for people to understand what is happening
and that practice never changes. The universe has this all built in
by cause and effect.
The reason people feel so powerless and at the mercy of ideology and
empty shell systems beyond their control, is because they don't know
how to make the effort to discover it for themselves. They want to be
lead by the nose.
You can't just go pick up a book and learn it or see it on the
internet or on TV. The only way to learn it is with practice
alongside the larger body of others, also practising to learn the
mechanism of enlightenment.
It requires actual practice not theorizing. Study of it has a place,
but that can actually distract from practice, especially distracting
to the people with tendancies to be stuck in learning and absorption
and who tend to look down at those in the less intellectual
lifestates.
So the solution is practice and effort in unity with others and
begins with a inner revolution.
One needs not re-invent the wheel, the socal structure of such a peace
movement is already there and it has a long history and it already
there waiting in the future for others to catch up.
Individual "actual proof" is the important thing. No theory,
incomprehensible gibberish or slippery pedantry to convince others of
anything is needed.
> > Calling all of these people Hitler is way out of line and bordering
> > on the crazed. No, he doesn't "owe" me an answer, but all
> > credibility is gone if he offers no solution.
>
> I don't think so. Where's your solution?
Whats it worth to you to know? (serious question) How much does it
mean to you to know? It meant a lot to me to discover it.
We are all part of a big picture in a social reality of our own
making, stuck in a historical continuum of craziness, but ultimately
the individual has the answer and ultimately the society can become
enlightened.
To honor the people of the past who have discovered the solution we do
not break free from the traditions or histories of this practice..
Similarly in the United States we honor the "founding fathers,"
despite their imperfections. Some just try to tear down the past and
make it meaningless, but there is a karmic bond to all this. A chain
of causation that cannot be broken.
The past present and future is all within.
> > > > His avoidance of that question means he has been trying to figure that
> > > > out for years and still doesn't know, so he is still stuck in theory
> > > > and criticizing. Just criticizing is NO solution. And hopefully he
> > > > realizes Bombing things is no solution either.
>
> > > Harry's into bombing things? LOL!
>
> > People behaving like Harry (calling people Hitler etc.) snap all the
> > time after a lifetime of frustration when the lesser beings that
> > plague him don't understand just how brilliant they are. I don't
> > want to push Harry over the edge.
>
> It's just that I've seen him more often than not (and "commie" or not)
> stand up against the willful criminal activity of oppressive
> governments and crimes against humanity in general. I think that's
> good no matter what your political persuasion is.
And I see that very well. But he needs lessons in humility and to get
off his damn throne/pulpit. Without a solution there is no point to
it. Its's like a guessing game form of brain Surgery.--"Hmmm I think
i'll take this out."
The BEGINNING of changing it is to realize it is a reflection of
oneself, in true cause and effect terms. Blaming the environment, no
matter how right one thinks they are, or no matter what the theories
used, is delusion and not the path. Spewing hate is not the path.
Shouting about Bush killing Millions is warped Its not Bush doing it--
it's everyone doing it. War has a life of it's own and it comes from
within and defending onesself or one's country and family is natural.
Once the causes for misery are made, the effect will be there. It
takes nothing less then mass enlightnement to be free of the misery
and that cannot be imposed on others and no one will be convinced by
words or a show of power. Enlightenment is not a bunch neatly
arranged words or slogans, to be kept in mind
A country has karmic effect, good and bad, In terms of the world and
human bonds of connections. The United States as a melting pot on the
frontier of the genepool sunbelt, IS the hope of the world, But the
whole chance, can be blown and it can all revert into just more tribal
antagonisms if the delicate balance is destroyed. Nothing short term
is set in stone, but a change can only be delayed for a few thousand
years but never stopped. All of this is built in to the universe
itself.
The "Hitler" is inside. Looking outward only, leads nowhere, just as
looking inward only leads nowhere. In order to solve the problem one
first has to know the basics with one's life and no one who knows
that, or has any clue to that, is going to be spewing outward with
such an unbalanced delusion. There is a natural, built-in, middle
way, and it can be found by each and every person, with practice.
<me snips> everything further on this subject for now.
Like sending an email with a proof of receipt request, I would have to
ask for proof each word was heard and then the recipients were ripe to
hear further.
> > > > We are actually lucky we have the choice of McCain and Palin---it
> > > > could have been much worse-----he is NOT part of the current regime
> > > > and HAS been a maverick.
>
> > > I wish he was a Mustang instead! Reminds me more of a Studebaker...
>
> > Better then the Corvairs that exploded.
>
> McCain's Dangerous At Any Speed! Vote Nader! It's almost as symbolic
> as not voting at all.
All people have dynamic karma, that puts them in the position they are
in. the same is true of any group of people collectively. If you are
born to be a king or president it is because of karma. If a country
has a liar at the helm or just ignorant people at the helm., that is
also dynamic karma.
McCain is less dangerous then the other choices or most other choices
that karmically could have been, What is really dangeorus is people
at large with no clue aboout what reality really is, or how it works,
yet they imagine they do. Nothing else computes for them, so they
inadvertently cut themselves off from real wisdom. There efforts even
if sincere, just enflame matters worse.
Loud bystanders standing there criticizng like many in the media, the
blogs, etc, or the protestors and other noisy sectors, all rooters
for Obama who is such an obvious liar and egoist, are just a sign of
the times and it will end badly, one way or another.
Even a terrible president would mysteriously become a good one, if the
people where practising in a way that influenced that group's reality
at the very causal core of life. The bumbling doctor, accidentally
cures your illness. The weather itself starts to conform to the
stablity of the people. It's all a reflection,,,,,,like in the film
Excaliber, when Arthur realizes it is all a reflection of himself.
A president or a government is just a reflection of the person.
Blaming the people outside is failing to take full causal
responsibility onesself..
Fanatics of any kind are dangerous especially if they are in fact
leading people deeper into a mental and immoral maze, They become an
obstacle to practice and then people at large have even less of a
chance to quickly discern what is right or wrong and what it all
means.
If the world in engulfed in war it is a reflection of the people. It
will not change with a litany of hate. That is just delusional. One
has to be able to present the solution, not in words but in actions.
If the posion has entered the system so deeply, even when the antidote
is offered, it is rejected because the ill mind is too disturbed to
know to take the correct medicine.
Even people of incorrigible disbelief can root out the stupidity,
superstition or the false theories and ideas, but first they have to
be shocked enough to be moved to take the antidote and this occurs at
the right time. Receiving the effects of the negative cause made can
shock people intio an awakening from their sleep. It is nature's way
of "the expedient means of the buddha.".
> > No. No kool aid here. 2 weeks ago before the Palin choice, I was just
> > not going to vote or write in Hillary. The Palin choice showed me the
> > guy is far more on the ball then I thought.
>
> I thought it was a "juke" right out the Rove Playbook of Dirty Tricks
> myself. Also it shows how McCain just loves to stir up a ruckus and
> with an evil laugh at that. I called his RNC speech "Operation
> Prometheus" as well, heh! My only dim hope is that when he does
> assume command, calmer voices prevail, and he heeds his handlers
> instead of just blowing his top in a one-man chorus of worldwide "fuck
> you's!"
> > Now I see the guys is a
> > sincere old man--who didn't rat on his buddies, who means what he
> > says and has actual ethics. Since we don't have Buddha.JesusStarbaby
> > as a choice.
>
>
> I hope you're right, but I have fears. I think McCain is pretty scary
> still, he's got crazy eyes, but he may just do right despite what
> even the most alarmist critics say because he wants to be remembered
> for doing something worthwhile while he's not just bombing the shit
> out of all comers. The flip side is just what in the hell would Obama
> do anyway? I think he's more of question mark than McCain. He's
> already turning into a hawk of sorts by taking on Smokin' Joe Biden.
> What happened to give peace a chance?
It married Yoko.....and went downhill from there.
> > > > People need to also keep in mind that the big financial problems have
>
> > > happened WHILE the Dems have had control of congress.
>
> > > It's sort of true, and Speaker Pelosi definitely can't say she's
> > > accomplished much for one; she's definitely not as tough as she
> > > thought she was, and praps she needs replaced as I'm just about sure
> > > her massive ego won't allow her to step down however incompetent and
> > > powerless she becomes and subsequently denies.
>
> > > "Perhaps it might be better, Mr. President, if you were more concerned
> > > with the American people, than with your image in the history books."
> > > i
> > > "piop"- Hide quoted text -
>
> > I will admit I used to think they were just good 'democrats, Pelosi
> > and Dean et. al.
>
> That maniac Dean? I still can't fathom why that rabid man is in
> charge of the Democratic Party.
Nor can I, what a mess. And now they are twisting Hillary's arm---
she has a 50 (?) million dollar campaign debt she needs the party to
pay off. Today on the TV she gave a brief anti- McCain/Palin speech
that gave the impression she had a gun to her head.
> > really didin't look at too much...I'm even somewhat
> > disgusted with Gore and Hillary at this point. Bill has seemed to
> > bite his tongue harder then anyone.
>
> I'd take him for a third term over the madcap and the question mark
> anytime, but I still don't like his wife.
Another term would have been good but did then there would be some new
interns and all.
He would have kept her on the right track. I think she got better as
time went on. A year ago I had said, "No way am I voting for
Hillary." But as I saw the other choices....
>Her speech at the DNC
> sounded like a George Harrison song, you know "I Me Mine! I me Mine! I
> me Mine!" So bitter! It killed her to give in to Obama; I thought
> her face was going to crack.
But she knew she had been scammed, the reports of voter fraud had
already been coming in from her campaign workers at the caucases. She
knew she had been had.
She received, around 2/3rds of a million more popular votes then
Obama. Obama won 18 out of 39 primaries but be won 13 out of 14
caucus states. where the reports of voter fraud were coming in. So
the delegate count was rigged and stacked by Dean and Pelosi and the
big money. Obama was playing ball.
> "Thank you, no. I do not support the work of imperialist stooges."
> i
> "piop"- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mandrake: Yes, Jack?
Ripper: Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?
Mandrake: Just kool-Aid jack.
"The basic theme of "2001" is the interaction of extraterrestrial
entities with man. There is a Nichiren sect of Buddhism (Shoshu
Sokagakkai) that venerates a 12-foot, black cedar tablet (Dai-
gohonzon) that bears a striking resemblance to the extraterrestrial
slab in "2001." Whether or not the resemblance is a coincidence, I
don't know. (Arthur C. Clarke says he has no religion but is
sympathetic to Buddhism.)"
----------------------------------------------------- "A Scientist's
Evaluation of 2001" By Walt Lee, Los Angeles Times Calendar, June 2,
1968.
"This world is the province of the Devil of the Sixth Heaven. All of
its people have been related to him since time without beginning. He
has not only built the prison of twenty-five realms within the six
paths and confined all mankind, but also made wives and children into
shackles and parents and sovereigns into nets that block off the
skies. To confound the Buddha nature which is the people's true mind,
he causes them to drink the wine of greed, anger and stupidity, and
feeds them nothing but poisoned dishes that leave them prostrate on
the ground of the three evil paths. When he happens on one with a
seeking mind, he acts to obstruct him. If he sees that he is powerless
to make a believer in the Lotus Sutra fall into evil, he tries to
deceive him gradually by luring him toward the Kegon Sutra, which
resembles the Lotus Sutra. This was done by the priests Tu-shun, Chih-
yen, Fa-ts'ang and Ch'eng-kuan. Then, the priests Chia-hsiang and Seng-
ch'uan craftily deceived the believers in the Lotus Sutra into falling
back upon the Hannya sutras. Hsuan-chuang and Tz'u-en led them to!
ward the Jinmitsu Sutra, while Shan-wu-wei, Chin-kang-chih, Pu-k'ung,
Kobo, Jikaku and Chisho deluded them into following the Dainichi
Sutra. Bodhidharma and Hui-k'o caused them to stray into the Zen sect,
while Shan-tao and Honen tricked them into believing the Kanmuryoju
Sutra. In each case, the Devil of the Sixth Heaven possessed these
Buddhist scholars in order to deceive the believers, just as foretold
in the Kanji chapter of the Lotus Sutra: "The devil enters one's
body."
The devil of fundamental darkness can even enter the life of a
bodhisattva who has reached the highest stage of practice and prevent
him from attaining the Lotus Sutra's ultimate blessing --Buddhahood
itself. Thus he can easily obstruct those in any lower stage of
practice. The Devil of the Sixth Heaven enters the lives of a man's
wife and children and deludes him. He also possesses the sovereign in
order to threaten the votary of the Lotus Sutra, or causes parents to
hinder the faith of devoted children.
Prince Siddhartha wanted to renounce his title, but his son, Rahula,
had already been conceived. His father, King Shuddhodana, therefore
admonished him to wait until after the child was born before he left
to become a monk. However, a devil delayed the childbirth for six
years. "
-Nichiren
dc
ichorwhip
<snip>
Just wanted you to know that I read your long answer and found it
rather impractical. No way is the U.S. turning to Buddhism as a means
of government. It sounds like a good coping mechanism however, and
you should not be denied the right to think the way you do. Good try!
"Gentlemen, this is outrageous. I have never heard of such behavior in
the war room before."
i
"piop"
kelpzoidzl
Buddhism is not a governmental system--it is a practice. It's
education of the highest and most personal kind, accomplished through
personal practice. Real buddhists work in unity to achieve the task of
world peace and change the collective karma of all beings and the
envirionment, through practice, not through government or ideology.
If people in the government are more enlightened they improve the
quality of goverment, regardless of the type so system. . Real
buddhist goals would be for PEOPLE in the government to become more
enlightened, not to change any systems. More enlightened people
composing a society will naturally improve their systems--but don't
look to Buddhism for any manual on government or poltitics.
Buddhism has a principle of conforming to the country and working
within a country, and spreading enlightenment from practice not
ideology, but in accordance with the customs of the country. It does
not seek to change the customs or impose anything external other then
infusing positive energy into a country by adding greater value--only
to spread the practice and add to the existing culture good things and
positive actions. Every country is unique and has certain
characteristics. Each country has varying features. The term for that
buddhist principle in Japanese is "Zuiho Bini." 随方毘尼
Infusing buddhism into government or social reality "Obutsu Myogo"
means PEOPLE becoming more enlightened, not making a Buddhist
government. This principle would take a different approach
depending on the country, the times, the customs, the kind of
government etc, as to how it is applied.
In 13th Century Japan there was no democracy, The Emperor and his
minions was literally God and his minions. At that time "Obutsu
Myogo." would mean to convert the Emperor or the particular Shogun, or
magistrate, to real buddhism, since all the people controlled by the
emperor would have to conform.
In modern Japan or the US, religious freedom and separation of church
and state are important in Buddhism.
An important principle in Buddhism is called "Teaching, Capacity,
Time, Country and Sequence of Propagation " It is an extremely
profound principles and is reworked as it applies to any country
today.
Ultimatly none of this can be grasped without practice.
dc