Kubrick onfluence in Vanilla Sky
Boris K. Fabian
critics see a Kubrickian precision and attention to visuals and
composition in VS one wouldn't normally expect from touchy feely
Crowe..so we get AI and now possibly Tom's visual lessons from the
master for VS..looks like Stanley's having a pretty good year.
Boaz
How would Cruise's association with Kubrick have any influence on
Crowe? He's the director of the film, not Cruise. Could it be possible
that Crowe was influenced on his own and not from debriefing Cruise?
Boaz
Sam Rouse
(Boaz) wrote:
I'm more concerned about the following, if true - I hope TC didn't infect the
Kubrick family with the $cientology virus. I'm including the whole post, with
headers. "Impact" is a $cientology magazine. The upshot - it appears that a
Kubrick daughter has become a $cientology "Crusader" by donating $10,000 to the
cult.
I truly hope that this is misinformation. See http://www.xenu.net for more info
on why this is potentially bad news, and why someone posting such info would
choose to do it anonymously.
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Vic Martinez
Kubrick 'influenced' than it's American counterpart. The 'explanation'
at the end of VS is explained 'spoon-fed' style so as not confound our
very intelligent audiences here.;)
SpectreG3
>Kubrick 'influenced' than it's American counterpart.
Can anyone note the differences between Vanilla Sky and Open Your Eyes? If
that's too much trouble, then I would appreciate it if someone can direct me to
a site that does. Yes, I am interested in seeing the Spanish version. I just
haven't been able to find it.
SpectreG
Josh
problems finding it now... it's called "Open Your Eyes."
Basically, it's the same movie, in Spanish. The difference is that the
American version has a much higher budget, so you believe the central character
is a lot richer, which makes it more nightmarish during his downfall. Also,
unique to Vanilla Sky is Cameron Crowe's use of music and icons of pop culture
in shaping Tom Cruise's reality and dream. Other than that, though, the two of
them really are about the same. I think Penelope Cruz might have more nudity
in the original.
Josh
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Nate
back in time and stuff and whats real and whats not, in seein the ads for
the next cruise movie he does with spielberg it looks like it could be like
aco.
CMB
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> The Spanish version just came out on DVD a week ago, so you shouldn't have
> problems finding it now... it's called "Open Your Eyes."
>
> Basically, it's the same movie, in Spanish. The difference is that the
> American version has a much higher budget, so you believe the central
character
> is a lot richer, which makes it more nightmarish during his downfall.
Also,
> unique to Vanilla Sky is Cameron Crowe's use of music and icons of pop
culture
> in shaping Tom Cruise's reality and dream. Other than that, though, the
two of
> them really are about the same. I think Penelope Cruz might have more
nudity
> in the original.
Are you on drugs? They are NOT the same. And downfall? There is no downfall,
especially not compared with the original. After the incredibly long and
drawn out opening sequence before the car crash (which is much longer than
the original) I couldn't wait for them to drive off that bridge, so the
movie could finally take on a darker tone worthy of the story. But I was
waiting for a turn that never came.
"Vanilla Sky" has carefully removed every bit of suspense, dread and mystery
from the original story and replaced it with sentiment.
Here are but a few of the differences :
* The Julie character is more sinister, but when she returns later in the
film as "Sofia" she is actually believable as Sofia, unlike Cameron Diaz who
behaves like she is totally nuts - there is no mystery, we know straightaway
that something is wrong.
* The main character's business is catering, not publishing, and is
incidental to the events of the movie - the mysterious "partners" are never
seen
* The ending is much darker and suspenseful - a sequence where the main
character runs out of the LE building shooting people, screaming "I want to
wake up" has been completely removed from the American version [probably due
to studio paranoia over mass shootings in the US] - you are also kept
wondering right up until the last moment whether or not the man from LE is
telling the truth, unlike in "Vanilla Sky" where Tom Cruise accepts all the
explanations and smiles lots. Also, when "Sofia" appears on the building at
the end, in "Open Your Eyes" she doesn't know who she is, making you wonder
whether or not Sofia ever existed.
* In "Vanilla Sky", because of the light tone throughout the first part of
the movie, the ending and explanation seems preposterous by comparison.
* The score in "Open Your Eyes" is brilliant, reminiscent of Bernard
Herrmann (and composed by the director, I might add). The whole film is
reminiscent of "Vertigo", actually, especially in the scene where Sofia
returns from her kitchen with a glass of water - this is even referenced in
the ending when Cesar, the main character, stands on the edge of the
building and says "I forgot - I get vertigo". Cameron Crowe turned this sly
in-joke into a character trait, and we are subjected constantly to Tom
Cruise telling the audience how he has a fear of heights, setting up the
ending in a very obvious way and deflecting the REAL reason for the ending
atop the building; that of awaking from a nightmare by jumping off a
building...not some 12-step self help program. The music in "Vanilla Sky"
seems to have been selected by sticking old CDs into the stereo and pushing
SHUFFLE.
* Tom Cruise's "disfigurement" is laughable. A scar and a slightly
protruding eye? Fuck off. Cesar's disfigurement is something to be upset
about; he doesn't even look like the same man anymore, and it is easy to see
why Sofia is scared of him - although in "Vanilla Sky" she is totally
devoted to him after only one night together - this doesn't happen in the
original either.
I urge anyone who hasn't seen "Vanilla Sky" to stay right away from it and
get the original. If it wasn't for subtitle-phobic thickies the original
would have received the audience it deserved. Alejandro Amenabar (the
original's director) is huge in Spain, all three of his films have been
incredibly successful commercially there, so we're not talking about an
obscure art-flick auteur here.
Vic Martinez
a sad thing that you had to justify that he's 'big' in his native Spain,
but in the U.S. 'big' is EVERYTHING, so I understand. I also agree
wholeheartedly with your 'comparisons' on ALO vs. VS. This is a film
that didn't have to be remade so soon. Then again Americans are
basically subtitle phobic, so I can see WHY it was remade in english. I
believe subtitle phobia also contributed to the box office failure of
one THE best films of 2001, AMORES PERROS.
CMB
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> Not that obscure art flick auters are a 'bad' thing either. It's kind of
> a sad thing that you had to justify that he's 'big' in his native Spain,
> but in the U.S. 'big' is EVERYTHING, so I understand.
Sad indeed - the reason I mentioned it was not so much as a justification,
but just to say that "popular" films are also made in foreign languages.
Just because it isn't in English doesn't mean it's inaccessible or "arty".
Sad McBain
> a sad thing that you had to justify that he's 'big' in his native Spain,
> but in the U.S. 'big' is EVERYTHING, so I understand.
Sad indeed - the reason I mentioned it was not so much as a justification,
but just to say that "popular" films are also made in foreign languages.
Just because it isn't in English doesn't mean it's inaccessible or "arty".
>>
I'd say that Amenabar (sp?) is pretty popular in the United States. "The
Others" grossed over 100 Mil. here.
Matt
CMB
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> I'd say that Amenabar (sp?) is pretty popular in the United States. "The
> Others" grossed over 100 Mil. here.
Have people made the connection though? Most people would think that is his
only film and therefore it is the film that has a following, not him.
Sad McBain
only film and therefore it is the film that has a following, not him.
>>
Couldn't you say the same thing about him and "Abre Los Ojos", pre-"Others"?
CMB
> Couldn't you say the same thing about him and "Abre Los Ojos",
pre-"Others"?
His debut film "Tesis" made his name in Spain, so "Abre Los Ojos" was an
anticipated release there.
I believe "Tesis", like "Abre Los Ojos", was a huge hit at festivals around
the world but not on the same scale.