DID KUBRICK BECOME A BRITISH CITIZEN?
MAN...an ancient race
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dere...@my-deja.com
NO! And why should he have been knighted?
And can you imagine him even remotely ever wanting to be knighted? No
way, you've simply demonstrated how little you've learned about him
here. Perhaps you should spend several months reading but not posting.
Anyway I think I'll simply killfile you now to save you the trouble.
derek
MAN...an ancient race
dere...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> NO! And why should he have been knighted?
> And can you imagine him even remotely ever wanting to be knighted? No
> way, you've simply demonstrated how little you've learned about him
> here. Perhaps you should spend several months reading but not posting.
> Anyway I think I'll simply killfile you now to save you the trouble.
>
> derek
>
Boy, aren't we touchy today? Go sip some tea and shut up, sonny while
I killfile your wussy ass.
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Wordsmith
MAN...an ancient race(hog wild) <patric...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> IF SO, HOW COME HE WAS NEVER KNIGHTED?
I've got a better idea. On behalf of every sane member of AMK, I dub
thee...SIR IDIOT!
Wordsmith
48...@my-deja.com
dere...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> NO! And why should he have been knighted?
> And can you imagine him even remotely ever wanting to be knighted? No
> way, you've simply demonstrated how little you've learned about him
> here. Perhaps you should spend several months reading but not posting.
> Anyway I think I'll simply killfile you now to save you the trouble.
Man, you want to killfile a guy for daring to suggest that Kubrick
should be knighted. What kind of idiocy is that?
Jan Bielawski
San Francisco, CA
dere...@my-deja.com
48...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Man, you want to killfile a guy for daring to suggest that Kubrick
> should be knighted. What kind of idiocy is that?
It's the sort of idiocy that finds the tenor of patriciafoxxxx's posts
to be objectionable overall.
As far as SK is concerned, I don't know whether or not he felt
'under-recognised' by his peers (I somehow doubt it given the level of
admiration expressed outside the arena of industry awards), but I can't
help wondering if he wouldn't have really squirmed at the thought of a
knighthood. But then who knows, he may have found the whole thing
hilariously entertaining. I would have particularly enjoyed seeing the
process whereby Stanley convinced HM QEII that she would have to drive
up to St Albans with Emilio to confer the honour. Stan would have made
her a beef sandwich, and have made sure the sword was blunt before
letting her proceed with the ceremony. Thereafter he would have faxed
her to discuss the availability of royal residences for filming and he
would probably have been keen to know that HM's corgi's were being
properly cared for and compared notes on veterinary services. That's
our Stan.
And while I'm speaking tangentially I've often thought how great it
would be if someone kept a record of some of SK's best jokes. If DS and
scenes from other films are a sound indicator of his sense of humour, he
must have had the most wonderful dry wit, as well as an almost boyish
mischief with some things.
regards,
Derek
Winston Castro
>In article <8v4lrm$j4b$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> 48...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
>> Man, you want to killfile a guy for daring to suggest that Kubrick
>> should be knighted. What kind of idiocy is that?
>
>
>It's the sort of idiocy that finds the tenor of patriciafoxxxx's posts
>to be objectionable overall.
>
>As far as SK is concerned, I don't know whether or not he felt
>'under-recognised' by his peers (I somehow doubt it given the level of
>admiration expressed outside the arena of industry awards), but I can't
>help wondering if he wouldn't have really squirmed at the thought of a
>knighthood.
Stanley seemed to have hated such pretenciousness, politics, title,
and honor, etc... He seemed to have risen above it all, much to his
credit. Besides the entire modern day 'Knighthood concept' IMO has
become a sick joke. Much like "royalty" itself.
Andrew Foley
MAN...an ancient race (hog wild) wrote in message
<8utiqa$ngu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> IF SO, HOW COME HE WAS NEVER KNIGHTED?
You don't have to be a British citizen to be knighted. Commonwealth
citizens are often knighted, especially if they have the ability to beat
England at cricket, eg Sir Garfield Sobers and Sir Donald Bradman. You
don't even have to be a Commonwealth citizen to receive a knighthood. Bob
Geldof, a notorious Irishman, has one, although because of his Irish
citizenship, he should not be styled "Sir Robert Geldof", but rather "Robert
Geldof, KBE". Douglas Fairbanks Jr was also a KBE (which, BTW, stands for
"Knight of the British Empire"), and he was undoubtedly an American. The
British Establishment refers to these KBEs as "honorary" knighthoods.
If somebody asks nicely, I'll explain why Michael Caine is now "Sir Maurice
Micklewhite". (The explanation given in the British press this week is
wrong.)
gh
at7000...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Besides the entire modern day 'Knighthood concept' IMO has
> become a sick joke. Much like "royalty" itself.
>
>
Yes. I've always felt that anyone "Knighted" should be obligated to don
heavy armor and carry a sword when making any public appearance. It's
just a fake otherwise.
GH
dere...@my-deja.com
"Andrew Foley" <anf...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> If somebody asks nicely, I'll explain why Michael Caine is now "Sir
Maurice
> Micklewhite". (The explanation given in the British press this week
is
> wrong.)
Oh, alright then. Andrew, may I buy you a beer? Oh, and by the way, if
it's not too much trouble - hey, get your dog off my leg - why is it
that Michael Caine is Sir Maurice Micklewhite. My guess would be that
that's his real name and HM won't hear of dubbing nom de guerres, but
hey, it's a guess. And you gotta fix that dog, man, really, I jus' had
these trousers pressed!
regards,
Derek
PS &BTW: Kinda felt an attempted re-make of Hodge's superb Get Carter
was a wasted effort.
boaz...@my-deja.com
dere...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <3a178...@news2.prserv.net>,
> "Andrew Foley" <anf...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > If somebody asks nicely, I'll explain why Michael Caine is now "Sir
> Maurice
> > Micklewhite". (The explanation given in the British press this week
> is
> > wrong.)
>
> Oh, alright then. Andrew, may I buy you a beer? Oh, and by the way,
if
> it's not too much trouble - hey, get your dog off my leg - why is it
> that Michael Caine is Sir Maurice Micklewhite. My guess would be that
> that's his real name and HM won't hear of dubbing nom de guerres, but
> hey, it's a guess. And you gotta fix that dog, man, really, I jus' had
> these trousers pressed!
>
> regards,
> Derek
Wasn't Caine's choice based on the fact that his name is the same as
his father, and he so he became Sir Maurice Micklewhite because he
wanted to honor his father? I doubt seriously that it had anything to
do with the Royal Family objecting to stage names. Why then is Elton
John Sir Elton John and not Sir Reginald Dwight? Or Paul McCartney not
Sir James Paul McCartney?
But then the American press could have gotten its facts wrong over here
regarding why Caine chose his birth name. We're having problems of our
own with two men who feel they are to the manor born.
Boaz
Andrew Foley
dere...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8v8bfc$4vi$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <3a178...@news2.prserv.net>,
> "Andrew Foley" <anf...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>> If somebody asks nicely, I'll explain why Michael Caine is now "Sir
>Maurice
>> Micklewhite". (The explanation given in the British press this week
>is
>> wrong.)
>
>Oh, alright then. Andrew, may I buy you a beer?
I've sworn off beer, and all other alcoholic beverages for that matter. I
never liked ales and bitters anyway.
Oh, and by the way, if
>it's not too much trouble - hey, get your dog off my leg - why is it
>that Michael Caine is Sir Maurice Micklewhite. My guess would be that
>that's his real name and HM won't hear of dubbing nom de guerres, but
>hey, it's a guess.
That's about right. You have to be dubbed under your legal name. Some
silly fools, at the time Cliff Richard was knighted, were saying that he
would have to be known as Sir Harry Webb, despite the fact that only a week
earlier he had told a chat show questioner
that he had legally changed his name to Cliff Richard by deed poll many
years before. I've no idea whether Elton John has legally changed his name
from Reginald Dwight. If he hasn't, then he's Sir Reginald, not Sir Elton.
Sean Connery is not Sir Thomas because there's no deed poll in Scotland --
under Scots Law, to change your name you just tell everybody what your new
name is. Mind you, the people of Edinburgh still refer to the great man as
"Big Tam".
The press came out with a load of guff about Michael Caine wanting to honour
his father, Maurice Micklewhite Sr. The fact is that it says "Maurice
Micklewhite" on his passort, so that's his name.
Andrew Foley
boaz...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8v950p$m2h$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>> "Andrew Foley" <anf...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> > If somebody asks nicely, I'll explain why Michael Caine is now "Sir
>> Maurice
>> > Micklewhite". (The explanation given in the British press this week
>> is
>> > wrong.)
>>
>if
>> it's not too much trouble - hey, get your dog off my leg - why is it
>> that Michael Caine is Sir Maurice Micklewhite. My guess would be that
>> that's his real name and HM won't hear of dubbing nom de guerres, but
>> these trousers pressed!
>>
>> regards,
>> Derek
>
>
>Wasn't Caine's choice based on the fact that his name is the same as
>his father, and he so he became Sir Maurice Micklewhite because he
>wanted to honor his father? I doubt seriously that it had anything to
>do with the Royal Family objecting to stage names. Why then is Elton
>John Sir Elton John and not Sir Reginald Dwight? Or Paul McCartney not
>Sir James Paul McCartney?
The Queen doesn't object to stage names; she just doesn't use them for
knighthoods. It wasn't Michael Caine's "choice" -- his legal name is
Maurice Micklewhite and that's the end of it. Paul McCartney can do what he
likes, because that's a quite normal form of his real name. But if Elton
John hasn't had his name changed legally, then it's completely incorrect to
refer to him as Sir Elton. But the public and the press will refer to him
as "Sir Elton", even if that's wrong.
Ever heard of Princess Charles? No? Thought not. That was the name that
Buckingham Palace officials instructed the people that Lady Diana Spencer
would be known by upon her marriage to the Prince of Wales. The people
refused to use that name, and named her "Princess Diana". Not correct
protocol at all. Yet they have no difficulty with Princess Michael of Kent,
whose own name is Marie-Christine. Is it because she's married to the very
minor Prince Michael of Kent that nobody realises her title isn't her real
name? Is it because she's a Catholic (still, even now, frowned upon in
British Royalty)? Is it because she was unknown before her marriage and
people think that Michael is her name? I remember a cretinous letter to a
"showbiz questions" column in a British newspaper, asking if Princess
Michael was related to George Michael. I despair, sometimes. I really do.
Michael Caine appears to have given out a press release about honouring his
father. A load of bollocks. If he wants to be Sir Michael Caine, the deed
poll awaits him. However, nothing will stop the press and the people
calling him Sir Michael, even if it's wrong.
boaz...@my-deja.com
Thanks for clearing that up, Andrew.
Not that it would ever happen (being a Yank), but I guess "Sir Boaz" is
out of the question.
Sir Loin of Beef ("Excuse me, Your Majesty, but isn't the blade supposed
to touch my shoulders with the flat end?")
MAN...an ancient race
> <8utiqa$ngu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> > IF SO, HOW COME HE WAS NEVER KNIGHTED?
>
> You don't have to be a British citizen to be knighted. Commonwealth
> citizens are often knighted, especially if they have the ability to
beat
> England at cricket, eg Sir Garfield Sobers and Sir Donald Bradman.
You
> don't even have to be a Commonwealth citizen to receive a
knighthood. Bob
> Geldof, a notorious Irishman, has one, although because of his Irish
> citizenship, he should not be styled "Sir Robert Geldof", but
rather "Robert
> Geldof, KBE". Douglas Fairbanks Jr was also a KBE (which, BTW,
stands for
> "Knight of the British Empire"), and he was undoubtedly an American.
The
> British Establishment refers to these KBEs as "honorary" knighthoods.
>
Maurice
> Micklewhite". (The explanation given in the British press this week
is
> wrong.)
>
>
Why would the Queen want Geldof as a knight? I'll bet that skinny guy
couldn't even lift a sword.
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Andrew Foley
MAN...an ancient race wrote in message <8vefnd$uie$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
<snip>
>Why would the Queen want Geldof as a knight? I'll bet that skinny guy
>couldn't even lift a sword.
Geldof was given a KBE several years ago, mainly for his work with Band Aid
and Live Aid. He can't style himself "Sir", because he's not a Commonwealth
citizen. He's not as skinny as he used to be, and in any case, the only
person who has to lift a sword is the Queen. Anybody else brandishing a
sword in public would get arrested, other than guardsmen on ceremonial duty.
Padraig L Henry
<antoniu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Why would the Queen want Geldof as a knight? I'll bet that skinny guy
>couldn't even lift a sword.
Sigh (fuming righteous indignation), sigh (internet-trolling
techno-rage), sigh (displaced Monarchy-loving twitfuck), sigh (another
emotionally-stunted git who lives in a hole in the ground), sigh
(net-identity-changing buffoon who doesn't know his arse from his
elbow), ... sigh ...(another Brick in the Wall) ... sigh ...
Ahem, Geldof was awarded a KBE as a result of organising Band-Aid and
Live-Aid in 1985, which raised over $150 million for the
famine-stricken, civil-war oppressed population of Ethiopia (the plan,
of course, later backfired when mad Margaret Thatcher subsequently
reduced UK-government official third-world aid by an even greater
amount, and a substantial portion of the food aid that was intended
for the starving, emaciated population was commandeered by the war
mongers, much of it ending up being re-exported to Russia, but that is
an entirely different issue).
Now go climb back into your hole in the ground, zombie.
Sigh
(Interesting that the region of Africa where all human life is
believed to have originated is still today subject to recurrent bouts
of mass famine, while the wealthy west, which caused - and continues
to cause - the problems there in the first place, smugly turns the
other cheek ... uh, huh, pass me the champagne and double-decker
pizza, honeybun, and turn up the vol on gerry springer too, pumpkin ).
A Ziegler cue-chalked triple sigh ...
Padraig
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