Pauline Kael vs Kubrick
HAL 1994
Kubrick´s films.
I would like to find the review she did for "EWS" and read it, where
she called the film "piece of crap".
ichorwhip
HAL 1994 wrote:
> I never understood what was the problem of critic Pauline Kael with
> Kubrick´s films.
That's simple. She was a cunt.
>
> I would like to find the review she did for "EWS" and read it, where
> she called the film "piece of crap".
Right, I always want to know what a dead cunt had to say.
Kael was a critic who expected "convention" in everything she saw. Her
78 IQ could not pissably begin to imagine how intelligent Kubrick was
to begin with let alone assess his films with any degree of worthiness.
She was just to stupid with a small brain. like I said, she was a
cunt.
i
"piop"
HAL 1994
Anyway, still curious to read her review on "EWS".
I forgot to add that no wonder why Tarantino praise Kael so much - he
also hate Kubrick´s films.
If I recall correctly, in 1995 Oscar ceremony, when Tarantino received
an Oscar (for "Pulp Fiction" screenplay, I guess), he thanked Kael in
his "thank you" Oscar" speech.
ichorwhip
> Heheh!
> Anyway, still curious to read her review on "EWS".
Yes, I'd read it myself if I knew where to find it. There's no obvious
hit on Google for it, but if you want to wade through some tens of
thousands of sub-hits it might be out there hidden somewhere.
Personally I can only bear to see her name about once a day.
> I forgot to add that no wonder why Tarantino praise Kael so much - he
> also hates Kubrick´s films.
I still haven't seen where Tarantino specifically said that he hates
Kubrick's films. I've read where he made a few smart-assed comments
about Kubrick, but it seemed jocular enough for the hyper blabbermouth
that he is. If QT does hate Kubrick maybe it's because Kubrick
refrained from a lot of macho posturing, contrived dialogs and
monologs, and ultraviolence just for the sake of ultraviolence. I'm
not necessarily a QT despiser, but his work doesn't have the timeless
value of Kubrick's; QT's not even in the "same sport." When Kubrick
let nasty bits seep into his work, like in FMJ, it's always germaine to
the subject. I don't see where QT has much discipline in this regard,
in fact he's become even more ridiculous with the whole "Kill Bill"
saga IMO.
> If I recall correctly, in 1995 Oscar ceremony, when Tarantino received
> an Oscar (for "Pulp Fiction" screenplay, I guess), he thanked Kael in
> his "thank you" Oscar" speech.
Like she had anything to do with it... Well I guess she had some
juice, but I just can't drink that sour shit.
"Goddam it! With MY hand numbnuts!"
ichorwhip
"peace is our profession"
Chris Cathcart
I more restrained but not altogether less damning assessment appears in
the intro, by Peter Bogdanovich, to -This is Orson Welles-. It more or
less begins with this:
"To believe that Welles -- who notoriously had absolutely no
compunction in blue-penciling Shakespeare, Marlowe, Shaw, or any
classic he touched, and reshaping them as well, and who rewrote and
reworked every single radio script or movie acting role he got, would
sanctify the deathless prose of Herman J. Mankiewicz is an impossible
character-switch to buy. It is as ludicrous as Ms. Kael's supposition
that one of the most intricately rehearsed and timed -- and carefully
lit -- scenes in -Kane- was "caught" by accident, by the crew fooling
around, and that Welles was teased into using it: a wildly naive
fantasy of the filmmaking process that could only be written by someone
who has no clue how the work really gets done. But most people don't
know. Maybe the truth lies in Woody Allen's comment on Ms. Kael: 'She
has everything a great critic needs except judgment. And I don't mean
that facetiously. She has great passion, terrific wit, wonderful
writing style, huge knowledge of film history, but too often what she
chooses to extol or fails to see is very surprising."
Bogdonavich then goes on at great length, quoting mostly his own
published rebuttal ("The Kane Mutiny") to Ms. Kael in which he defends
Welles against her published smears ("Raising Kane"). He concludes
thusly:
"Well, Pauline Kael had given my second and third films grudgingly good
reviews, but after this article appeared, she never again had a kind
word for any of them or for me. She never responded in any other way
to this piece, though she also never again wrote a long critical
article. In her most recent collection she nonetheless leaves it in,
untouched, as though these other people's testimony didn't count or
exist, as though Welles' feelings or reputation didn't matter."
How funny, indeed, that the "cunt," as you call her, ends up on the
wrong side of history. Welles and Kubrick are legends -- indeed, the
two greatest directors the English-speaking world has known and whose
reputations will only grow with time -- but look at self-important Ms.
Kael, she was so successful and renowned as to nip at their heals with
hit pieces.
natch
Very nice to see this, although a tiny bit more mean than I would word
it.
This newsgroup has been great over the years but I have been very
surprised at the lack of vitriol against this woman. Actually I have
seen alot of praise for her here and that has baffled me a bit. She
obviously has a lack of objectivity and often praises outright junk.
Her comment that 2001 had a monumental lack of imagination (or
something like that) has to be one of the single most misplaced and
baffling comments I have ever heard. Call it pretensious (sp?), boring,
any other number of negatives, I can live with but lack of imagination?
No, sorry, the woman had a problem. I wrote her a letter shortly before
her death. I dont remember what I said but it wasn't nice. I only hope
the mag forwared it as they said they would.
Mike Jackson
jm...@msn.com wrote on 7/25/05 6:21 AM:
> ichorwhip wrote:
>> HAL 1994 wrote:
>>> I never understood what was the problem of critic Pauline Kael with
>>> Kubrick´s films.
>> That's simple. She was a cunt.
>>> I would like to find the review she did for "EWS" and read it, where
>>> she called the film "piece of crap".
>> Right, I always want to know what a dead cunt had to say.
>>
>> Kael was a critic who expected "convention" in everything she saw. Her
>> 78 IQ could not pissably begin to imagine how intelligent Kubrick was
>> to begin with let alone assess his films with any degree of worthiness.
>> She was just to stupid with a small brain. like I said, she was a
>> cunt.
>>
>> i
>> "piop"
> Very nice to see this, although a tiny bit more mean than I would word
> it.
Aw, you can't be gentlemanly to gutter trash like Kael. I'm only sorry the
bitch died before I had a chance to email her some choice obscenities.
> This newsgroup has been great over the years but I have been very
> surprised at the lack of vitriol against this woman. Actually I have
> seen alot of praise for her here and that has baffled me a bit. She
> obviously has a lack of objectivity and often praises outright junk.
> Her comment that 2001 had a monumental lack of imagination (or
> something like that) has to be one of the single most misplaced and
> baffling comments I have ever heard. Call it pretensious (sp?), boring,
> any other number of negatives, I can live with but lack of imagination?
> No, sorry, the woman had a problem. I wrote her a letter shortly before
> her death. I dont remember what I said but it wasn't nice. I only hope
> the mag forwared it as they said they would.
A lot of her fame I suspect was based on her wielding gossip columnist type
power. Whenever you read someone praising her you can almost hear them
slurping as the suck old Pauline's cock.
--
"Remember, there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over."
-- Frank Zappa
natch
> "Remember, there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over."
> -- Frank Zappa
dynamoe - hum
Mike Jackson
jm...@msn.com wrote on 7/25/05 8:04 AM:
>> "Remember, there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over."
>> -- Frank Zappa
> dynamoe - hum
http://www.rockstartees.com/girls_details.php?ID=56
Man, this one made me spill my beer.
And this early on a Monday morning no less.
--
"It's the same old story; boy meets beer, boy drinks beer... boy gets
another beer."
-- Norm Peterson
ichorwhip
> in article 1122296671.6...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, natch at
> jm...@msn.com wrote on 7/25/05 8:04 AM:
>
> >> "Remember, there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over."
> >> -- Frank Zappa
>
> > dynamoe - hum
>
> http://www.rockstartees.com/girls_details.php?ID=56
> Man, this one made me spill my beer.
> And this early on a Monday morning no less.
I thought you shunned 40's? I like beer in my frosted miniwheats and
my orange juice, but i'm not really in to the hard stuff except for
pouring Tequila in my agavehole every now and then.
"Me Ruv You Rong Time"
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cough cough cough
"Got girlfen Vietnam?"
i
"Piop"
Boaz
> "Me Ruv You Rong Time"
> ????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> cough cough cough
>
> "Got girlfen Vietnam?"
> i
> "Piop"
"This baby-san looks like she could suck the chrome off a trailer
hitch." I mean it -- what lips! I betcha I could easily see my
reflection on her tongue. ;-)
Boaz
("Good morning, little schoolgirl. I'm a little schoolboy, too.")
Mike Jackson
at icho...@netzero.net wrote on 7/25/05 9:03 PM:
> Mike Jackson wrote:
>> in article 1122296671.6...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, natch at
>> jm...@msn.com wrote on 7/25/05 8:04 AM:
>>>> "Remember, there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending
>>>> over."
>>>> -- Frank Zappa
>>> dynamoe - hum
>> http://www.rockstartees.com/girls_details.php?ID=56
>> Man, this one made me spill my beer.
>> And this early on a Monday morning no less.
> I thought you shunned 40's? I like beer in my frosted miniwheats and
> my orange juice, but i'm not really in to the hard stuff except for
> pouring Tequila in my agavehole every now and then.
Since they removed part of my colon as the result of a bizarre gardening
accident I'm afraid I need some medicinal applications...
> "Me Ruv You Rong Time"
> ????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think that's the Scooby-Do pronunciation.
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> !!!!!!!!
>
> cough cough cough
I'm buying one for my lady.
> "Got girlfen Vietnam?"
> i
> "Piop"
Better, me got purdy pink panties stateside.
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