Q: what's the opening title music in Shining?
Mark Womack
Does anyone know what piece of music plays over the
opening titles in *The Shining*? It's during all those
spectacular arial shoots of the rockies. Please let me
know.
Thanks,
Mark Womack
Dave Dlugos
It’s an original piece by Wendy Carlos.
Shawn Martin
Dave Dlugos wrote in article <339ED5...@pacificcoast.net>...
Technically it's not original. It was called "The Shining" on the
soundtrack but it was based on "Dies Irae", a Catholic Funeral dirge.
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Curtiss Hammock
In article <5nnolp$bt...@iac7.navix.net>, "Shawn Martin" <nos...@navix.net>
wrote:
>>It’s an original piece by Wendy Carlos.
>>
>
>Technically it's not original. It was called "The Shining" on the
>soundtrack but it was based on "Dies Irae", a Catholic Funeral dirge.
I don't know about the Catholic Funeral dirge part, but in 1830 Hector
Berlioz composed "Symphonie Fantastique." Part four, "Dream of a Witches
Sabbath" contains the theme heard in the opening of The Shining. Mr./Ms.
Carlos is responsible for the spooky, non-melodic parts of the music,
perhaps.
Curtiss
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geoffrey alexander
cur...@macbeth.com (Curtiss Hammock) writes:
>In article <5nnolp$bt...@iac7.navix.net>, "Shawn Martin" <nos...@navix.net>
>wrote:
>>>It's an original piece by Wendy Carlos.
>>>
>>
>>Technically it's not original. It was called "The Shining" on the
>>soundtrack but it was based on "Dies Irae", a Catholic Funeral dirge.
>I don't know about the Catholic Funeral dirge part, but in 1830 Hector
>Berlioz composed "Symphonie Fantastique." Part four, "Dream of a Witches
>Sabbath" contains the theme heard in the opening of The Shining. Mr./Ms.
>Carlos is responsible for the spooky, non-melodic parts of the music,
>perhaps.
Just about every composer who has lived has used or, to be precise, quoted
that motif from the (very ancient) Gregorian Chant. Carlos herself used it
in ACO as well. And, interms of the conventions of classical music, the
piece would be (yes, even technically) regarded as original.
geoffrey alexander
PG/STM <mrpg...@mail.idt.net> writes:
>QBRICK15 wrote:
>>
>> >>Does anyone know what piece of music plays over the
>> >>opening titles in *The Shining*? It's during all those
>> >>spectacular arial shoots of the rockies. Please let me
>> >>know.
>It is Wendy Carlo's arrangement of the medieval Gregorian chant "Dies
>Irae" meaning "day of wrath" from the Requiem Mass for the Dead. This
>theme (f-e-f-d-e-c-d....) has been used by countless composers throughout
>history as the basis a many ominous compositions, notably: Liszt:
>Totentanz (dance of death), Rachmaninov: Isle of the Dead, and Berlioz:
>Symphonie Fantastique.
>PG
>NYC
>p.s. Carlos previously used it in the composition "Country Lane" which
>appeared on her/his soundtrack to ACO (not used in film).
ahhh, but it also makes a beautifully sneaky entrance into her arrangement of
the Purcell music used in the title sequence -- and if I remember the Purcell
original right, it was even implied there (the music was written for the
funeral of his friend and patron Queen Mary).
PG/STM
PG/STM
PG
NYC
p.s. Carlos previously used it in the composition "Country Lane" which
Jefferson Morris
> > Does anyone know what piece of music plays over the
> > opening titles in *The Shining*? It's during all those
> > spectacular arial shoots of the rockies. Please let me
> > know.
> It’s an original piece by Wendy Carlos.
As I recall, the piece is a variation on the "Dies Irae," the famous
Gregorian chant for the dead, which springs up over and over again in the
music of numerous Romantic era composers (Berlioz, Liszt, Rachmaninoff).
Bergman uses it in 'The Seventh Seal.'
--Jefferson
Morris
meac...@****.com
QBRICK15 wrote:
> they have a lot in common. In fact, one could argue that Wendy is
> identical to Walter except that she is missing one important thing.
Yes, but the surgeons giveth, just as they taketh away.
And so it came to pass, that while Walter lost, Wendy gained.
And just like fashion, what once was out, is now back in.
derek
Dave Dlugos
Simon Harry wrote:
>
> geoffrey alexander wrote:
> >
> > PG/STM <mrpg...@mail.idt.net> writes:
> >
> > >QBRICK15 wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >>opening titles in *The Shining*? It's during all those
> > >> >>spectacular arial shoots of the rockies. Please let me
> > >> >>know.
> >
> > >Irae" meaning "day of wrath" from the Requiem Mass for the Dead. This
> > >theme (f-e-f-d-e-c-d....) has been used by countless composers throughout
> > >history as the basis a many ominous compositions, notably: Liszt:
> > >Totentanz (dance of death), Rachmaninov: Isle of the Dead, and Berlioz:
> > >Symphonie Fantastique.
> >
> > >PG
> > >NYC
> >
> > >p.s. Carlos previously used it in the composition "Country Lane" which
> > >appeared on her/his soundtrack to ACO (not used in film).
> >
> > the Purcell music used in the title sequence -- and if I remember the Purcell
> > original right, it was even implied there (the music was written for the
> > funeral of his friend and patron Queen Mary).
>
> Carlos. I know she is definately a woman cos I saw a pic at some Kubrick
> web-site (although i cant remember which one) but nearly every reference
> to her is as walter rather than wendy, however all text references i have
> seem to make a point of not referering to her as her or him...Anyone
> care to explain?
Some time between ACO and TS, Walter (“Switched on Bach”) Carlos became
Wendy Carlos. Do you need diagrams?
Martin White
On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Dave Dlugos wrote:
> Mark Womack wrote:
> >=20
> > Does anyone know what piece of music plays over the
> > opening titles in *The Shining*? It's during all those
> > spectacular arial shoots of the rockies. Please let me
> > know.
> >=20
> > Thanks,
> >=20
> > Mark Womack
>=20
>=20
> It=92s an original piece by Wendy Carlos.
I'm not sure it is. I think it's a Carlosization of a really old piece of
music, some kind of funeral march I think. Something very similar-sounding
was certainly used in "The Devils".
Martin.
tib
Dave Dlugos <scrum...@pacificcoast.net> wrote:
>Simon Harry wrote:
>>
>> Could anyone explain to me the gender differences between Wendy/Walter
>> Carlos. I know she is definately a woman cos I saw a pic at some Kubrick
>> web-site (although i cant remember which one) but nearly every reference
>> to her is as walter rather than wendy, however all text references i have
>> seem to make a point of not referering to her as her or him...Anyone
>> care to explain?
>
>Some time between ACO and TS, Walter (“Switched on Bach”) Carlos became
>Wendy Carlos. Do you need diagrams?
I am STILL uncertain as to whether she has always been a she, but used a
masculine name to get ahead in a chauvinist industry (the music
industry), or whether Walter one day decided to become Wendy. It matters
little to me, but I just wanted to point out that this whole business is
not as cut and dried (youch!) as you imply.
Mt
geoffrey alexander
tib <t...@passport.ca> writes:
>I am STILL uncertain as to whether she has always been a she, but used a
>masculine name to get ahead in a chauvinist industry (the music
>industry), or whether Walter one day decided to become Wendy. It matters
>little to me, but I just wanted to point out that this whole business is
>not as cut and dried (youch!) as you imply.
Please don't be confused about this Walter WAS a guy, he DID have a sex
change, and he IS now as close to a woman one can be in that situation.
g.
WingF
tib <t...@passport.ca> wrote in article <5ns2m9$3...@forged.passport.ca>...
-snipping (OUCH!)-
> >Some time between ACO and TS, Walter (“Switched on Bach”) Carlos became
> >Wendy Carlos. Do you need diagrams?
>
> I am STILL uncertain as to whether she has always been a she, but used a
> masculine name to get ahead in a chauvinist industry (the music
> industry), or whether Walter one day decided to become Wendy. It matters
> little to me, but I just wanted to point out that this whole business is
> not as cut and dried (youch!) as you imply.
>
> Mt
>
I read a Playboy interview with Wendy Carlos a few years back and she
definitely WAS a man named Walter and definitely DID have a sex-change
operation. As Walter, Carlos did the magnificent (dare I say "seminal"?)
"Switched-On Bach" - still a favorite album of mine, as well as the ACO
sound track, etc.
I have read, though I'm uncertain of the source (so it may not be true)
that Wendy Carlos died not too long ago - some kind of disease that
disproportionately affects transsexuals due to the hormonal changes which
the body undergoes changing sex.
Does anybody have a definitive word on that one? I also heard once that
Mickey Rooney and Abe Vigoda were dead, but guess what, they ain't.
Wing
Darrel Best
WingF wrote:
>
> I have read, though I'm uncertain of the source (so it may not be true)
> that Wendy Carlos died not too long ago - some kind of disease that
> disproportionately affects transsexuals due to the hormonal changes which
> the body undergoes changing sex.
>
> Does anybody have a definitive word on that one? I also heard once that
> Mickey Rooney and Abe Vigoda were dead, but guess what, they ain't.
>
> Wing
As far as I know she's still alive and her web-site(
http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/u/wendy/ ) confirms this, or at least it
says nothing about her death. Apparently she's working on a new project
for release this year that incorporates some of the themes of ACO --
can't wait!
darrel best - d...@compusmart.ab.ca
JAMES WHITE
>
> Could anyone explain to me the gender differences between Wendy/Walter
> Carlos. I know she is definately a woman cos I saw a pic at some Kubrick
> web-site (although i cant remember which one) but nearly every reference
> to her is as walter rather than wendy, however all text references i have
> seem to make a point of not referering to her as her or him...Anyone
> care to explain?
sex change surgery. This is not a joke, and I will certainly hunt down
my source and post it on the newsgroup.
Jim
F.A. Qureshi
In article <01bc79be$5bd58bc0$0d0c35cf@wingflan>,
"WingF" <wi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I read a Playboy interview with Wendy Carlos a few years back and she
>definitely WAS a man named Walter and definitely DID have a sex-change
>operation. As Walter, Carlos did the magnificent (dare I say "seminal"?)
>"Switched-On Bach" - still a favorite album of mine, as well as the ACO
>sound track, etc.
I loved the stuff she did for Tron. Her company's still sorting out the legal
situation surrounding a special edition release of The Shining and ACO
soundtrack. Most of her work never made it on The Shining, it'd be
interesting to see how it was.
(and I'd bet it's much more an improvement over the 2001 score Alex North
came up with).
>I have read, though I'm uncertain of the source (so it may not be true)
>that Wendy Carlos died not too long ago - some kind of disease that
>disproportionately affects transsexuals due to the hormonal changes which
>the body undergoes changing sex.
She does have a web page (the address is unknown), but she was still alive
the last time I checked. She lives in Greenwich Village in NY now.
I'll see if I can remember the address.
FAQ
meac...@****.com
geoffrey alexander wrote:
> Please don't be confused about this Walter WAS a guy, he DID have a sex
> change, and he IS now as close to a woman one can be in that situation.
Well, I suppose if you've exhausted all other methods for getting close
to a woman ...
derek
WingF
F.A. Qureshi <BMB...@leeds.ac.uk> wrote in article
<5o365f$eko...@leeds.ac.uk>...
> In article <01bc79be$5bd58bc0$0d0c35cf@wingflan>,
-snip-
> I loved the stuff she did for Tron. Her company's still sorting out the
legal
> situation surrounding a special edition release of The Shining and ACO
> soundtrack. Most of her work never made it on The Shining, it'd be
> interesting to see how it was.
>
> (and I'd bet it's much more an improvement over the 2001 score Alex North
> came up with).
>
Hmmm. The music was probably the best part of "Tron", aside from the
(then) breakthrough CGI work. As for unused TS and ACO tracks - I was
aware of the unused ACO material, much of which appears on an album I have
on vinyl (the name escapes me and I haven't access to the attic it's stored
in at the moment). There are synth versions of the "Thieving Magpie"
overture, the unabridged scherzo movement of Beethoven's 9th, and the full
version of "Timesteps", among others. A particularly striking original
composition on that album is "Country Road", which was to accompany the
scene where Pete and Dim (as police men) take Alex into the woods and
torture him.
-death rumors excised-
>
> She does have a web page (the address is unknown), but she was still
alive
> the last time I checked. She lives in Greenwich Village in NY now.
>
I'd be interested in knowing for sure.
BTW - on Ken Russell (re: the "Worst Film" thread) - none of the stuff I
have actually seen of his was any good, IMHO, but you, and a few others on
this ng, say he's done some excellent work. (I've only seen three or four
of his films, so perhaps my pointed dismissal of his talent is a little
hasty). Geoffry posted a few titles he regards highly, as did you. I
doubt I'll ever come to regard "Whore" as anything but horrible and
hopelessly amateurish, or "Altered States" as anything but a good idea
wasted (some interesting psychodelia notwithstanding), but if intelligent
people who like Kubrick are willing to say he's done some good work, I'm
willing to listen.
Wing
geoffrey alexander
meaculpa@****.com writes:
>geoffrey alexander wrote:
>derek
We should have a stage act, derek...
g.
Gordon Dahlquist
On 17 Jun 1997, WingF wrote:
> BTW - on Ken Russell (re: the "Worst Film" thread) - none of the stuff I
> have actually seen of his was any good, IMHO, but you, and a few others on
> this ng, say he's done some excellent work. (I've only seen three or four
> of his films, so perhaps my pointed dismissal of his talent is a little
> hasty). Geoffry posted a few titles he regards highly, as did you. I
> doubt I'll ever come to regard "Whore" as anything but horrible and
> hopelessly amateurish, or "Altered States" as anything but a good idea
> wasted (some interesting psychodelia notwithstanding), but if intelligent
> people who like Kubrick are willing to say he's done some good work, I'm
> willing to listen.
I'd agree with others who've said that some of KR's work in the 70's is
strong (the devils, particularly) but that his work in the 80's pretty
much sucks across the board - many of these are based on wonderful ideas
that seem to be poorly realized, or halfheartedly directed ... frenetic
without any interest behind the frenzy ... perhaps a little comparable to
someone like coppola, in that you look at his recent work and then his
older work and go "Wha-?"
But the devils is a pretty remarkably uncomprmising film, and it is >very<
hard to imagine it being made today, much less distributed ...
Ronald Whalen
Darrel Best wrote:
>
> Simon Harry wrote:
> >
> > Could anyone explain to me the gender differences between Wendy/Walter
> > Carlos. I know she is definately a woman cos I saw a pic at some Kubrick
> > web-site (although i cant remember which one) but nearly every reference
> > to her is as walter rather than wendy, however all text references i have
> > seem to make a point of not referering to her as her or him...Anyone
> > care to explain?
>
>
> darrel best
Does anyone knows why Walter had a sex change operation ? Did Walter
think that having a sex change operation, becoming a woman and not a man
would help his music career or something ? Or was it just a crazy thing
that people used to "do" back in the 70's ?
Your's truly, Ronie J Whalen
Dave Dlugos
Please Ronie. I think it's fair to say that people don't have sex
change operations to "help their career" or because it's "a crazy thing
people do back in the 70s". It must be an extremely difficult, deeply
personal decision. Let's leave it alone.
GateFace
Ronald Whalen <WHA...@cti-md.com> wrote in article
<33A70A...@cti-md.com>...
> Darrel Best wrote:
> >
> > Simon Harry wrote:
> > >
> > > Could anyone explain to me the gender differences between
Wendy/Walter
> > > Carlos. I know she is definately a woman cos I saw a pic at some
Kubrick
> > > web-site (although i cant remember which one) but nearly every
reference
> > > to her is as walter rather than wendy, however all text references i
have
> > > seem to make a point of not referering to her as her or him...Anyone
> > > care to explain?
> >
> > Sometime in the 70's Walter had a sex change operation.
> >
> > darrel best
> Does anyone knows why Walter had a sex change operation ? Did Walter
> think that having a sex change operation, becoming a woman and not a man
> would help his music career or something ? Or was it just a crazy thing
> that people used to "do" back in the 70's ?
> Your's truly, Ronie J Whalen
?????????????
you're a funny guy "Ronie"!
Or perhaps just mad.
---------------------------
GateFace
"I've met hundreds of people over the years and most of them are shit,
basically." Robert Smith
PG/STM
GateFace wrote:
>
> Ronald Whalen <WHA...@cti-md.com> wrote in article
> <33A70A...@cti-md.com>...
> > Darrel Best wrote:
> > >
> > > Simon Harry wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Could anyone explain to me the gender differences between
> Wendy/Walter
> > > > Carlos. > > >
Unfortunately, ever since the operation her music just doesn't have
as much balls at it used to. Perhaps the new work, "A Clockwork Black
Mass" will make up for it. I hope it does. More info on the new ACO
inspired music at:
http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/u/wendy/news.html
PG
NYC
Martin Cannon
Joseph Markley wrote:
>
> The best Ken Russell work I've seen was A Song for Spring, a film about
> the composer Delius which he made for the BBC back (I think) in the
> sixties. It's quite restrained, so the unusual but realitic gestures
> (the paralyzed composer carried about over an assistant's shoulder
> (shades of ACO), the final gesture by his widow over the composer's
> body) have considerable impact. I saw it once, in a musuem screening,
> ten years ago; it's stayed with me much more vividly than any of the
> over-the-top Russell productions. Not available on videotape, so far as
> I know.
>
I believe the actual title is "Song of Summer." It last screened in
these parts (l.A.) some 18 or so years ago (to my knowledge). And it IS
terrific.