Non-dialogue scene between Holden and Banky at the end of Chasing Amy...
Brian P. Fitzharris
what it means?
Sinsation
"Brian P. Fitzharris" <Fitz...@muohio.edu> wrote in message
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> Anybody have any thoughts, ideas, opinions, interpretations, etc. as to
> what it means?
>
Starting at the beginning, and running through the gestures:
They see each other, nod, acknowledging hello. Holden holds up the "Death
Of Chronic" comic book, which Banky did by himself, since Holden has left
Bank Hold-Up Productions, and gives a thumbs-up, indicating he likes the
issue. Banky shrugs, being modest. Banky nods towards the room where they
both know Alyssa is signing her book, with the implied question, "Are you
going to say hi to her?" Holden gives a slight nod that yes, he is going
in, but he's very nervous. Banky draws his fingers together, emulating the
"shared moment" gesture from the beginning of the film. he is asking if
Holden thinks he and Alyssa can rekindle what they had, "share a moment."
Holden nods and holds up crossed fingers, indicating he hopes it is
possible. He obviously still has some level of feelings for Alyssa. Banky
gives the thumbs-up to Holden, wishing him good luck. He misses Holden as a
friend, and a business partner, and is wistful about the way they fell
apart. Holden waves goodbye and turns away. Banky looks at him for a
minute and gives a low-key "Goodbye" before turning back to Willam, for whom
he is signing the "Bluntman & Chronic."
The line, "Some doors just shouldn't be opened" hearkens back to the
suggestion that Banky was latently gay. This can go a number of ways.
Possibly, Holden & Banky "hooked-up" as an experiment after Alyssa left, and
it didn't work out. It could also be that Banky was so upset about the
homosexuality issue, and the implication that he was gay that he could no
longer be friends with Holden (I consider this a long shot). Possibly, they
are both straight, but the feelings stirred up by the final confrontation
with Alyssa left them unable to retain their friendship. My personal
favorite is that Banky realized he was gay, and could not deal with the
feelings he had for Holden, because Holden did not reciprocate. The look he
gives towards where Holden was as he says "Bye" is very much, in my mind,
one of lost love.
After the final "threesome" scene with Alyssa, Holden and Banky agreed to
kill off Chronic and go their separate ways. The book has been out for some
time, which is why it is worth $110, up considerably from its original cover
price of $2.95. Both of them have moved in separate directions; Holden has
"quit the biz," and only released this one comic, "Chasing Amy" because he
had "something personal to say, and Banky is writing "Baby Dave" - basic,
lowbrow, fun comic books.
Anyone else have an opinion?
Cody k
Riley Esco
I think Roger Ebert said it best when he said that the best part of
that scene is that you don't know what Jason Lee is thinking or
meaning.
Personally I think he's happy for his friend, but feeling okay that
they aren't together anymore.
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Brian P. Fitzharris
Wow..great response/analysis from beginning to end. Pretty much everything I
was thinking about, but just too lazy to put down on paper. 'Specially agree
about Banky's last forlorn glance at Holden. In my mind, Smith's most ambitious
and ambiguous scene to date.
~Brian
Sinsation wrote:
> The line, "Some doors just shouldn't be opened" hearkens back to the
> suggestion that Banky was latently gay. This can go a number of ways.
> Possibly, Holden & Banky "hooked-up" as an experiment after Alyssa left, and
> it didn't work out. It could also be that Banky was so upset about the
> homosexuality issue, and the implication that he was gay that he could no
> longer be friends with Holden (I consider this a long shot). Possibly, they
> are both straight, but the feelings stirred up by the final confrontation
> with Alyssa left them unable to retain their friendship. My personal
> favorite is that Banky realized he was gay, and could not deal with the
> feelings he had for Holden, because Holden did not reciprocate. The look he
> gives towards where Holden was as he says "Bye" is very much, in my mind,
> one of lost love.
>
> After the final "threesome" scene with Alyssa, Holden and Banky agreed to
> kill off Chronic and go their separate ways. The book has been out for some
> time, which is why it is worth $110, up considerably from its original cover
> price of $2.95. Both of them have moved in separate directions; Holden has
> "quit the biz," and only released this one comic, "Chasing Amy" because he
> had "something personal to say, and Banky is writing "Baby Dave" - basic,
> lowbrow, fun comic books.
>
> Cody k
Sinsation
this one are the reason. A masterpiece of subtlety, ambiguity and excellent
writing. This scene should be at the top of Jason Lee's resumé, to show
that he is capable of much more delicate acting than "Brody."
I am still fuming over Ben Affleck and Joey Lauren Adams not winning Best
Actor Oscars, or even being recognized for their stupendous efforts in this
film. The scenes in the rain (after "the speech" by Ben Affleck) and in the
parking lot of the hockey rink hit me like no other scenes in cinema ever
have. Maybe it's because I really did go through a situation very similar
to Holden's with a girl just shades away from Alyssa......
Cody k
"Brian P. Fitzharris" <Fitz...@muohio.edu> wrote in message
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Bobbabooey
"No, Banky is NOT gay. He would never cruise, nor would he have ever
actively pursued Holden of his own accord.
However, he does love his friend. Very Deeply.
Life comes down to moments. In the moment that Holden makes his off-kilter
suggestion, Banky was willing to go the distance- a window is opened, and in
that moment, Banky agrees to a same sex encounter of sorts. When Alyssa
declines, that window is slammed closed. But Banky's already exposed
something he can't live with - Holden's knowledge that he would've gone
through with it (for whatever reasons, whether it be to save their
relationship, or because he was into it) That's why they're no longer
friends by the end of the flick - Banky's self loathing."
Sinsation wrote in message ...
Brian P. Fitzharris
would have figured it would be better to ask Alyssa first, not Banky. :)
Mutt Sander's Brother
once had, but realized it could never be like that, with the fact that he'd
have gone through with the threesome, floating between them. He wistfully
says goodbye, thinking about the past.
Just my two cents, and Banky ain't gay.
-Jay, a.k.a. Mutt Sander's brother
Riley Esco wrote in message <9500du$r36$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
Sinsation
from a magazine article? A TV interview? Something he said online, on his
website?
I am not saying that you made up the quote, but without telling us its
source, you may as well have.
Aside from that, in a creative work, the interpretation of the creator is
not necessarily the only "correct" one. Yes, they are his characters, but
the meaning of anything is what an individual takes away from it.
Cody k
"Bobbabooey" <bobba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Bobbabooey
still meaningless? sorry I upset you.
making up quotes is my other job.
if you want to think Banky is gay, cool. I don't give a fuck either way.
ta ta,
kevin (whoops!)
Bob
Sinsation wrote in message ...
Sinsation
bored and want an overly-in-depth discussion of the making up of quotes.
For the record, I don't believe I ever actually espoused the idea that Banky
was gay; what I actually did was state that there were several
interpretations in my eyes, and that was the one I found most interesting.
If you were able to sit down with William Shakespeare, and he gave you a
scene-by-scene rundown of all of his plays and sonnets, would that
interpretation necessarily invalidate everybody else who had analyzed his
work since, and possibly come up with different things? Beauty is in the
eye of the beholder, and I believe that, to an extent, so is interpretation.
The fuck that you would or would not give regarding my opinions doesn't make
a bit of difference.
Cody k
"Bobbabooey" <bobba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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why do they call me mr. happy?
Jan 2001 23:03:40 -0700, Sinsation clearly woke up on the wrong side of the
bed and wrote:
> Thank you for the link. Check out alt.fan.david-bowie if you're really
> bored and want an overly-in-depth discussion of the making up of quotes.
> For the record, I don't believe I ever actually espoused the idea that
> Banky was gay; what I actually did was state that there were several
> interpretations in my eyes, and that was the one I found most interesting.
> If you were able to sit down with William Shakespeare, and he gave you a
> scene-by-scene rundown of all of his plays and sonnets, would that
> interpretation necessarily invalidate everybody else who had analyzed his
> work since, and possibly come up with different things? Beauty is in the
> eye of the beholder, and I believe that, to an extent, so is
> interpretation.
>
> The fuck that you would or would not give regarding my opinions doesn't
> make a bit of difference.
>
play nice, children
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Sinsation
"why do they call me mr. happy?" <yrl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In <vVNd6.2580$5g6.5...@news.uswest.net> on the infamous day of Tue, 30
> Jan 2001 23:03:40 -0700, Sinsation clearly woke up on the wrong side of
the
> bed and wrote:
>
> play nice, children
>
Hey, he's the one who started cursing, and further attempted to cast some
idea in the minds of the newsgroup that he was KS (signing "Kevin (oops)"
and then Bob, as well as with the line "making up quotes is my other job."
It's all fun and games, and if someone is going to be upset (as he seemed to
be) with what someone sitting at their keyboard unknown numbers of miles
away writes, that is their own lookout. I am just glad to get a relatively
interesting conversation going on here, instead of a bunch of posts from
people whining about the Dogma SE DVD not being released. I just wish more
people had jumped in with their interpretations. So far, I am the _only_
one who went out on a limb and offered something.....
Cody k
Bobbabooey
Sinsation wrote in message ...
>one who went out on a limb and offered something.....
>
>Cody k
>
>
And coincedentally, the only one who has made an ass of himelf...
Cheers,
Bob ( a million miles away)
Sinsation
right do you have to call me names?
-k
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