Julie Dyer, and the continuity of clerks and mallrats.
Chris Gunlefinger
bring it up anyway.
Julie Dyer is mentioned in clerks and mallrats, she died in a pool,
everyone knows the movies are connected so no big deal, but what has me
thinking, and has had me wondering for quite some time, is the timetable
for the 2 movies.
Clerks takes place on a saturday, I know this for fact because, while
they are going to the funeral randall says something like, "it's 4:00 on
a saturday afternoon, no one is there." They never say when julie died.
just that the viewing was that day, I'm figuring this means she could
have died friday, the day before, or maybe earlier in the week like thursday.
The Events of mallrats take place the day after julie dies, I know this
because of TS and Brandi's conversation in the begining of the movie.
But when did she die? If Julie died on thursday, then the events of
mallrats take place on friday, the day before the events of clerks and
thus making it a prequal of sorts. If she died on friday, then movie
takes place saturday, at the same time of clerks. If Julie died Saturday
and then mallrats happens on sunday, and the viewing, taking place the
day before (the same time as clerks?) was just quickly organized and executed.
There are only three options, and the more I think about each one, the
more confused I get.
TS and Brandi are going to florida for the weekend, You don't leave on
saturday morning to go to florida for the weekend, you certainly don't
leave on sunday morning, I would leave friday. Plus Shannon Hamilton, as
the manager of fashionable male, he would definatly have to work
friday. I don't think brodi has to worry about employment
responsibilities on any day, so that doesn't matter. TS, on the other
hand would be at school or work on a friday, so that argument favors
saturday. Jay and Silent Bob, however, really present a great argument
against saturday, they are there througout both movies, and at similiar
times in the day (I have deduced this based on randall arriving at work
at 10:30, and Brodi being angered about being awoken at 9:30 am., Jay
and silent bob arrive at the rst and quick stop shortly thereafter, and
I'm figuring that ts and brodi got to the mall at about 11, jay and bob
were in both places.). Sunday seems absurd to me mostly because A.you
don't leave to go to the shore for the weekend on sunday. B.if stan lee
was signing comics, he'd be there on a saturday, not sunday (i don't
think friday, because kids are in school)., and C. The manager of an
upscale wannabe shop such as fashionable male would not work sundays.
After thinking long and hard about this, I still haven't figured it out.
Maybe I just spend to much time watching Kevin Smith movies and am
thinking way to much about it, but still, it's driving me nuts so any
thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks,
ChrisG.
IM1DRFUL
the manager of fashionable male, he would definatly have to work
friday. "
I believe in the begining of the movie Shanon is on his way to work, and later
on his date with his lady friend, he says he is on his lunch break. So it could
be Fri.
There I just confused you even more.
Jay Shukitis
Clerks takes place the week after.
-Jay
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Chris Gunlefinger
damn.
that would make sense though.
thought...@hotmail.com
only she is buried in the morning! and the first scene in Mallrats
with T.S. and Brandi: Brandi says, "did you see Julie Dwyer last
night?" (if it was the week after T.S. would have had to dig Julie's
dead ass up out of the ground or order to see her the night before!!)
I'm thinking the movies are happening simultaneously . while Clerks is
going on Mallrats is going on on the otherside of town. Jay and Silent
Bob aren't in every scene in Mallrats or Clerks so I'm thinking while
they are not in the scenes they could be at Quickstop or the mall
depending on which movie you are watching
Late,
Grumpysmurf
Chris Gunlefinger
but now that i've thought about it for a while i don't think that works.
the same day, transient jay and bob theory seems to be the best.
CLOSEDOWN8
Walt Flanagan's Dog
Mallrats
Clerks
Clerks (The Comic Book)
Clerks (Holiday Special)
Chasing Amy
Chasing Dogma
Dogma
There's a very thorough timeline site somewhere on the internet. It's called
historyASKEW, there's probably a link to it at newsaskew.com.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.
Who Watches the Watchmen?
Chris Gunlefinger
then where does oni df. #12 with bluntman and chronic fit in?
CLOSEDOWN8
and "Bluntman and Chronic in 'The Derris Affair' Part 1," which is in Oni
Double Feature #12 could be part of several different Bank Holdup projects that
Holden and Banky worked on. I don't think it has any concrete place in the
timeline. Holden and Banky only produced B&C comics for a few issues (I
believe 1-3 and the annual) but that's pretty ambiguous.
MKahnFan
>mallrats take place on friday, the day before the events of clerks and
>thus making it a prequal of sorts.
You got it. Julie Dwyer died on Thursday around midnight, "Mallrats" takes
place on Friday, "Clerks" takes place on Saturday.
-Ben
"I don't know, but to me he seems gay. He claims he's not, but I've never
seen, like, a guy who's not gay seem so gay. I don't find him funny. What can I
say? Never made me laugh." -- Norm Macdonald on SNL cast member Chris Kattan
thought...@hotmail.com
Late,
Grumpysmurf
On 20 Nov 1999 04:05:09 GMT, close...@aol.commbleek (CLOSEDOWN8)
wrote:
The Legoman
viewaskew site for a link. Check local comic book stores to see if they
have any back issues. Its unlikely and comic stores are notorious for a
lack of helpfulness, but its always worth a shot. The stash is the best bet
though.
Cheers
The Legoman
--
"I do have a test today. That wasn't bullshit! Its on European socialism.
I mean, really, whats the point? I'm not european. I don't plan on being
european. So who gives a crap if they're socialists? They could be fascist
anarchists. It still wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car".
-Ferris Beuller
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close...@aol.commbleek (CLOSEDOWN8) wrote:
> Here's the timeline:
>
> Walt Flanagan's Dog
> Mallrats
> Clerks
> Clerks (The Comic Book)
> Clerks (Holiday Special)
> Chasing Dogma?
> Dogma?
Here are a few things to think about.
1. Obviosly<sp> Clerks is on a Sat.But when Randell tells Dante that
Julie died and yesterday.Two questions:A)Did he find our about it
yesterday? and B)Did it happen yesterday?
If he found out about it yesterday than Julie died on Thursday and
Mallrats is on Friday and Clerks on Sat.
If Randell ment she died Yesterday than Clerks and Mallrats are on the
same day.
2. Keep in mind that the begining og Mallrats was at the last second,
and could very well been the mistake.
3. Did Chasing Dogma and Dogma take place during Chasing Amy?
Towards the end of Chasing Amy, Holden meets Jay&Silentbob and Jay
says they need to hurry cause they are cathing a bus to Chi-town.
After that Holden,Banky, and Alyssa have there fight, they do not see
each other for one year.
So,my point is, does it take Jay and Silentbob a year to get to
Chicago, or Does the events in Dogma take place during that year it
takes Holden to see Banky and Aylssa again,technically<sp> making
Chasing Dogma And Dogma During Chasing Amy?
Something to think about.
Mello
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JayAndSBob
Chasing Amy. I would also say that Dogma takes place a few weeks after we see
Jay and Silent Bob in Chasing Amy, and that is when Chasing Dogma takes place.
But, here's this: Agreeing that Mallrats takes place before Clerks, how long
after Clerks does Chasing Amy take place?
ba...@rocketmail.com
> But, here's this: Agreeing that Mallrats takes place before Clerks,
how long
> after Clerks does Chasing Amy take place?
Random Guess: I have a theroy but not enough to confirm it, but i think
Chasing Amy tkaes place two years after Clerks.
Cause i think Clerks takes place in 95 and Chasing takes place in 97 or
98 but i need to watch Chasing Amy again to confirm this
Chris Gunlefinger
closedown8 pointed me in the direction of the history askew site
http://homepages.infoseek.com/~crewe1/indexaskew.htm
I'm going with this guy, he noticed detials within details, and seems to
have things pretty much figured out.
erin sullivan
theorized by the viewaskew gang and kevin himself that since alot of the
continuity errors can't be explained away, mallrats is a 'bank holdup'
production. that is, that mallrats was one of banky and holden's bluntman
and chronic comics. this is supported by jay's very exaggerated portrail and
the fact that he comments about never saying "snoochie bootchies" in chasing
amy (as if they made up the saying for the comic).
i tend to believe this theory more than any other. mallrats was so
action-oriented (on jay and silent bob's part) and there was a *very*
defined plot. not to mention that it was misunderstood and still stands out
as not a very kevin-esque picture. so, yeah, mine's the easy route. seems
almost theological.
erin
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>i'm sure this has been brought up before, but i wasnt' here so i'll
>bring it up anyway.
>
>Julie Dyer is mentioned in clerks and mallrats, she died in a pool,
>everyone knows the movies are connected so no big deal, but what has me
>thinking, and has had me wondering for quite some time, is the timetable
>for the 2 movies.
>Clerks takes place on a saturday, I know this for fact because, while
>they are going to the funeral randall says something like, "it's 4:00 on
>a saturday afternoon, no one is there." They never say when julie died.
>just that the viewing was that day, I'm figuring this means she could
>have died friday, the day before, or maybe earlier in the week like
thursday.
>
>The Events of mallrats take place the day after julie dies, I know this
>because of TS and Brandi's conversation in the begining of the movie.
>But when did she die? If Julie died on thursday, then the events of
>mallrats take place on friday, the day before the events of clerks and
>thus making it a prequal of sorts. If she died on friday, then movie
>takes place saturday, at the same time of clerks. If Julie died Saturday
>and then mallrats happens on sunday, and the viewing, taking place the
>day before (the same time as clerks?) was just quickly organized and
executed.
>
>There are only three options, and the more I think about each one, the
>more confused I get.
>
>TS and Brandi are going to florida for the weekend, You don't leave on
>saturday morning to go to florida for the weekend, you certainly don't
>leave on sunday morning, I would leave friday. Plus Shannon Hamilton, as
>the manager of fashionable male, he would definatly have to work
Justin McGill
A) Suzanne at the end of the film..
In the comic series, Jay and Silent Bob #2 I think, Jay and Bob find a SUPER
Ape. Named, Suzanne.. It APPEARS that Chasing Amy takes place sometime, I'd
say YEARS, after Clerks/Amy.. BUT.. when Jay and Silent Bob leave Jersey at
the end of Amy, ONLY then is it that they meet Suzanne.. so did the ending
with Jay and SB in 'Rats show some of the fate AFTER Chasing Amy?
Justin
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CLOSEDOWN8
won't even get into that. It's fairly obvious. References to "Mallrats"
characters in Amy, Dogma and the comics are extremely common.
CLOSEDOWN8
FALSE!!!
Justin McGill
apparently, about 6 months between 'Rats and Amy..
Justin
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CLOSEDOWN8
it's "canon" value suspect, it says in the Mallrats script that Trish's
publisher wouldn't release the book 'til she was 18. That'd set "Amy" years
after "Mallrats." Also, Roddy just recognized the duo in the mall, and he
probably would have recognized them earlier had it been 6 months later.
Jay Shukitis
still hanging at the mall?" That's what i think.
Plus I'm sure it's been years between Mallrats and Amy, simply because Jay
and Bob are so much more, well, i really don't want to put mature, but thats
the only word i can think of.
-Jay
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CLOSEDOWN8
earlier that day. I also think I should point out that the girls name in the
subject line is "Julie Dwyer" not "Julie Dyer."
ba...@rocketmail.com
"Justin McGill" <mcg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Oh.. just an update.. in the comic, there's a reference.. it's been,
> apparently, about 6 months between 'Rats and Amy..
>
chasing amy
Most of that info is proving in the Chasing amy Laser disc and in the
opening of Chasing Amy.
If you notice in the little articles in the begging, it says Brodie
Bruce quits as host of the Tonight show.And there are some more dates
and shit but i am too tired to type
Teddman
Loki walks past, Jay is talking to someone about how Silent Bob was
trying to get the pin out of the stage and laughing about it in the
background.
CLOSEDOWN8
I tied tubby to the ceiling with a rope."
CLOSEDOWN8
everything. Kevin writes according to current events. These events, if read
into too much, fuck up the whole continuity. For example, there is an article
in the Mallrats book that talks about the upcoming "Truth or Date" talk show.
The paper is dated October 20th, 1995 (which was Mallrats' release date). This
article refers to the show airing within one week, but it happened on Good
Friday. Also, in Jay and Silent Bob #2, Jay refers to the George Michael
public restroom event, which would make their bus ride fairly long, as in
years. Basically, current events have no real bearing in the View
Askewniverse.
Justin McGill
themselves.. but I do realize the pop culture refs are quite different and
reflect the current time.. even if the movie isn't quite there.. but I was
just saying the time between, not nailing down a specific year.
I'll have to get Amy on DVD to check out about Brodie quitting the Tonight
Show. as for Mallrats it actually shows the FUTURE.. at least in a way.. Jay
and Bob leave for Chi-Town in Amy.. then in 'Rats we see a scene with them
with Suzanne, which was after Amy..
Justin
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> It's something along the lines of "and this one time, we were at the mall,
and
> I tied tubby to the ceiling with a rope."
>
Jay Shukitis
We're just fanboys. This is what fanboys do.
What about in Amy when Holden and Alyssa are talking about high school, they
mention Julie, but it sounds like it was years ago. Oh well.
-Jay
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Michael
different. They share the same characters but The rest is absolutely
irrelivent. Just pick up an X-Files or Batman if you don't agree.
-Miker
Justin McGill
he was a Sr. about 8 from when he was a freshman.. If Holden and Alyssa were
older, which I'm assuming they were.. they could be around 24-26..
Justin
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Randal informs Dante that Julie Dwyer had died yesterday, the veiwing
was today at 4 o'clock and the funeral was the next day. In Mallrats TY
says he saw Julie the night before in the pool when he was told she had
died. Therefore mallrats isnt a sequal or a prequal to Clerks but the
events are happening at the same time, meaning Jay and silent Bob manage
to be dealing outside the Quickstop and trying to sabotage a game show
in twop different towns at the same time. Also Wiliam (if hes meant to
be the same character) manages to put on and drop about 150 pounds and
grow and shave a full beard ant various points during that day.?
CLOSEDOWN8
place. Therefore, Randal is techically right, and Brandi (saying "yesterday")
is actually referring to early that morning. Also, Mallrats takes place in New
Jersey, but it was filmed in Minnesota. The Eden Prairie Mall is referred to
in "Chasing Amy." And on the subject of Willam, it's just a recast. It
happens all the time in movies. Ever see the James Bond movies? How about the
Batman movies?
mell...@my-deja.com
close...@aol.commbleek (CLOSEDOWN8) wrote:
> Julie died in the early morning hours of the Friday that "Mallrats"
takes
> place.
During the game show dosen't Brandi say,"the girl who was suppose to be
in this chair right now died last night.
Therefore, Randal is techically right, and Brandi (saying "yesterday")
> is actually referring to early that morning. Also, Mallrats takes
place in New
> Jersey, but it was filmed in Minnesota. The Eden Prairie Mall is
referred to
> in "Chasing Amy."
No affect on the plot.
Again, no to wax intellectual about the subject, but imho i thought it
was clear in Oni Double feature #1 that Cleks the comic was on a
thursday,mallrats on a friday and Clerks was on a saturday.
mello was here.
CLOSEDOWN8
Flanagan's Dog" is what I believe you're referring to. It's the story in "ODF
#1" and if you look at one of the panels when Jay and Bob are in their mad rush
from Krypto, you can see the ambulance wheelin' ol' Julie's corpse out of the
YMCA.