Mountain Biker Breaks Collarbone: Evolution at work!
Mike Vandeman
Man injured near Wax Road mountain biking
04/25/08
An unidentified man had to be rescued by emergency crews after
breaking his collar bone mountain biking out near Wax Road Friday,
said EMA director Scotty Hancock.
The man flipped over his handlebars after another cyclist in from of
him wrecked coming down a trail. Hancock said he sustained a broken
collar bone.
The wreck occured around one-quarter mile out in the woods and
ambulances and fire-crews initially had difficulty finding the
location of accident and reaching it.
The EMA was called in to extract the man and ambulances transported
him to the hospital.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
magua...@gmail.com
read once...evolution at work I guess according to your standards
mike.I heard a chef burnt himself while cooking! or we could say
something stupid like...
Chefs should stay only in the kitchen...not at B-B-Q's in state parks
and state lands!!! It taints nature with its smell and breaks down the
atmosphere and environment.
Now, tell me if that isn't the same as the bullshit you been pounding
on with the cycling for years...You're a FOOL mike. Go back to the
kitchen and use your college degree you got when you hid while other
proud americans died in Vietnam.
gr
College deferments for the draft? Is Mike really that old?
gr
magua...@gmail.com
> College deferments for the draft? Is Mike really that old?
> gr
Yep...he once made a comment in the archives that "my country had
better uses for me back home" amongst his ignorance to others that
went off to fight. That's why he has his PHD...he had to HIDE for a
long time!
old lying fool...we can call him the artful dodger codger.
pmh
variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
discussed in terms of the other.
Mike Vandeman
wrote:
>A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
>variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
>discussed in terms of the other.
Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
Siskuwihane
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
> >variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
> >discussed in terms of the other.
>
> Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
> work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
Like what happened to your cat because you had no morals or sense. A
poor animal had to die because of your supidity.
magua...@gmail.com
Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection
at
work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
You actually mean that if you would have died while avoiding the
vietnam war in college or were to die now recently while poking fun of
vets because you were "needed back home", wouldn't that be natural
selection because you are morally wrong for making statements that you
are better than those who went to war?
Isn't it immoral to make statements to people like.."i hope you break
a leg" and other horrible statements of harm to others? that is not
moral. You make those statements all the time. How about the moral
obligation to tell the truth such as you stating I am a mountain biker
or you continued avoidance of questions about flying? you lie with
those questions daily. Lying is not moral.
Just for the record Mike, many people feel that homosexuality is
immoral. Yet I don't criticize you for that!!
But for all the other horrible things you do...I find you a sensless
immoral bastard.
Mike Vandeman
BS. He was run over by a car. I had nothing to do with it, AS YOU WELL
KNOW, LIAR.
Mike Vandeman
>so you say...
>
>Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection
>at
>work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
>
>
>You actually mean that if you would have died while avoiding the
>vietnam war in college or were to die now recently while poking fun of
>vets because you were "needed back home", wouldn't that be natural
>selection because you are morally wrong for making statements that you
>are better than those who went to war?
>
>
>Isn't it immoral to make statements to people like.."i hope you break
>a leg"
I never said that, as you well know, LIAR.
and other horrible statements of harm to others? that is not
>moral. You make those statements all the time. How about the moral
>obligation to tell the truth such as you stating I am a mountain biker
I never said that, as you well know, LIAR.
>or you continued avoidance of questions about flying? you lie with
>those questions daily. Lying is not moral.
>
>Just for the record Mike, many people feel that homosexuality is
>immoral. Yet I don't criticize you for that!!
You just did, LIAR. Obviously, you know NOTHING about me, and yet are
willing to make unfounded aseertions (i.e., LIES) all the time.
CONTINUALLY. That's called an "incorrigible LIAR". So much for
morality....
>But for all the other horrible things you do...I find you a sensless
>immoral bastard.
JP
"Mike Vandeman" <mjv...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:gube145ikrhv7l2je...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:21:41 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
> <Siskuw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 28, 12:32 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
>>> >variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
>>> >discussed in terms of the other.
>>>
>>> Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
>>> work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
>>
>>Like what happened to your cat because you had no morals or sense. A
>>poor animal had to die because of your supidity.
>
> BS. He was run over by a car. I had nothing to do with it, AS YOU WELL
> KNOW, LIAR.
You let your cat run wild through a congested residential neighborhood
on a regular basis despite your being aware that cats threaten "wildlife"
and there was frequent traffic.
You didn't live up to your responsibility as a citizen of your neighborhood
or as a pet owner.
Can't really face who you are, can you?
Umm.....
Laziness?
Cognitive dissonance?
Bad role modeling?
Denial?
Lying!
JP
Siskuwihane
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:21:41 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> >On Apr 28, 12:32 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
> >> >variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
> >> >discussed in terms of the other.
>
> >> Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
> >> work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
>
> >Like what happened to your cat because you had no morals or sense. A
> >poor animal had to die because of your supidity.
>
> BS. He was run over by a car. I had nothing to do with it, AS YOU WELL
> KNOW, LIAR.
Cats do not get outside on their own, irresponsible owners let them
out. You are an IRRESPONSIBLE PET OWNER.
magua...@gmail.com
> I never said that, as you well know, LIAR.
you God damned Liar...it is in the past posts. You stated directly you
"were needed more at home than in the war" and "my country thought I
would be better at home in college than in the war"...yeah...whatever
Chef...now you say you didn't say those statements. You lie. You
stated to a MTber this week..."I hope you break a leg"...you make
posts about people dying while cycling stating it is work in
progress...then you say you didn't say these things? You are a total
pyscho liar!
We all know a great deal about you. You lie...about flying, about
writing books, about your research studies...about having a website of
nothing but other's quotes and we could go on and on...
Mike Vandeman
>
>> I never said that, as you well know, LIAR.
You conveniently removed the statement that I was referring to -- a
sure sign of dishonesty.
>you God damned Liar...it is in the past posts. You stated directly you
>"were needed more at home than in the war" and "my country thought I
>would be better at home in college than in the war"...yeah...whatever
>Chef...now you say you didn't say those statements. You lie. You
>stated to a MTber this week..."I hope you break a leg"
No, I didn't. You deliberately misquoted me. As usual. You are an
INCORRIGIBLE LIAR.
Mike Vandeman
>
>"Mike Vandeman" <mjv...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:gube145ikrhv7l2je...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:21:41 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>> <Siskuw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Apr 28, 12:32 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
>>>> >variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
>>>> >discussed in terms of the other.
>>>>
>>>> Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
>>>> work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
>>>
>>>Like what happened to your cat because you had no morals or sense. A
>>>poor animal had to die because of your supidity.
>>
>> BS. He was run over by a car. I had nothing to do with it, AS YOU WELL
>> KNOW, LIAR.
>
>
>You let your cat run wild through a congested residential neighborhood
>on a regular basis despite your being aware that cats threaten "wildlife"
No, I wasn't aware of that.
>and there was frequent traffic.
>You didn't live up to your responsibility as a citizen of your neighborhood
>or as a pet owner.
It's not a cat owner's responsibility to keep their cat out of the
street. They have a right to a life. DUH.
>Can't really face who you are, can you?
>
>
>Umm.....
>
>Laziness?
>Cognitive dissonance?
>Bad role modeling?
>Denial?
>Lying!
>
>
>JP
>
>
Mike Vandeman
No, it would be irresponsible to confine a cat to an indoor life. You,
on the other hand, should be so confined, for society;s sake.
JP
>>
>>You let your cat run wild through a congested residential neighborhood
>>on a regular basis despite your being aware that cats threaten "wildlife"
>
> No, I wasn't aware of that.
>
>>and there was frequent traffic.
>>You didn't live up to your responsibility as a citizen of your neighborhood
>>or as a pet owner.
>
> It's not a cat owner's responsibility to keep their cat out of the
> street. They have a right to a life. DUH.
One thing MV.
Siskuwihane
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 29, 10:26 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:21:41 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 28, 12:32 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
> >> >> >variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
> >> >> >discussed in terms of the other.
>
> >> >> Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
> >> >> work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
>
> >> >Like what happened to your cat because you had no morals or sense. A
> >> >poor animal had to die because of your supidity.
>
> >> BS. He was run over by a car. I had nothing to do with it, AS YOU WELL
> >> KNOW, LIAR.
>
> >Cats do not get outside on their own, irresponsible owners let them
> >out. You are an IRRESPONSIBLE PET OWNER.
>
> No, it would be irresponsible to confine a cat to an indoor life. You,
> on the other hand, should be so confined, for society;s sake.
Then they should be free 24/7 but you CHOOSE to OWN them because you
are SELFISH.
pmh
In many jurisdictions a cat at large is the same offense as a dog at
large. It might be prosecuted less often, but it's a reflection on
general safety and treating one's pets in a responsible manner.
"Having a life" and being treated in a responsible manner are not
directly connected. The one is a philosophical generality while the
other is a civic responsibility.
While one can never countervail any of Mikey's blither-blather, the
occasional post which educes said response provides a modicum of
amusement in slow times and jogs others' sensibilities as to Mikey's
near-total misanthropy.
PH
magua...@gmail.com
dodge again. The true answers are in caps. Of course those answers are
subject to change depending on Mike's Depakote dosages.
Did you fly or not? YES or no
Did you lie about me being a mtber? YES or no
Did you lie about other's occupations such as airline sources? YES or
no
Did you write a book? yes or NO
Did you tell people you walked to an airport that is not possible to
walk to in Australia? YES or no
Is your website entirely quotes from others? YES or no
Did you not say 'my country found me more valuable back home" in
response to hiding from the draft? YES or no
Are you the Swedish Chef from the muppets? yes or no
Did you not keep a good eye on your poor cat? yes or no and with this
question...cat's a detrimental to society when left outdoors and
unfixed due to the needless killing off of animals not in the cycle.
what kind of irresponsible fool would preach envirofriendly topics and
do the opposite behind closed doors? a dishonest one like you.
Do you not work for one of the worst companies that kill nature and
trees in the name of technology? YES or no
We could go on and on.
Mike Vandeman
>
>
>
>
>"Mike Vandeman" <mjv...@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:kn7l141rsje6uer53...@4ax.com...
>
>>>
>>>You let your cat run wild through a congested residential neighborhood
>>>on a regular basis despite your being aware that cats threaten "wildlife"
>>
>> No, I wasn't aware of that.
>
>Liar. You mention in his schmaltzy epilogue that you knew
>cats preyed on birds and small animals.
"If I had known how many birds and other animals are killed by cats,
even well fed ones, I probably would never have chosen to adopt them."
What part of "if" don't you understand?
What are they? Domesticated?
>>
>>>and there was frequent traffic.
>>>You didn't live up to your responsibility as a citizen of your neighborhood
>>>or as a pet owner.
>>
>> It's not a cat owner's responsibility to keep their cat out of the
>> street. They have a right to a life. DUH.
>
>It is a pet owners responsibility to procide a safe and healthy environment for a pet.
No, no one can protect an animal from all possible hazards.
>They have a right to a life and if you get involved with one they have a right to expect
>you to provide it. And if you choose to live in a city with an animal you have every
>responsibility to keep it safe, and to keep the neighborhood wildlife safe, and to keep your
>animal from roaming and spreading its piss crap and genetic code all over town.
>You want to let your animal roam? Go live in the country.
>
>Lazy-check
>Bad role model -double check
>Lying, Denying, Can't see what's in front of his eyes (cognitive dissonance)
>
>You qualify for your own thesis.
>
>
>One thing MV.
>I like animals, have pets
So you keep your cockroaches indoors at all times? Or on a leash?
and I think your behavior and lack of responsibility
>as regards your pet were reprehensible.
>Your wacko trolling is harmless but your total refusal to accept your
>role in the cat's death fully illustrates your lack of character
>and your lack of humanity.
>
>May you receive all that you deserve.
Your threat is duly noted, hypocrite.
Mike Vandeman
BS. No one can "own" another living thing with a mind of its own.
Mike Vandeman
wrote:
>On Apr 29, 12:59 pm, Siskuwihane <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 29, 10:26 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:21:41 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>
>> > <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >On Apr 28, 12:32 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> > >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
>> > >> wrote:
>>
>> > >> >A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
>> > >> >variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
>> > >> >discussed in terms of the other.
>>
>> > >> Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
>> > >> work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
>>
>> > >Like what happened to your cat because you had no morals or sense. A
>> > >poor animal had to die because of your supidity.
>>
>> > BS. He was run over by a car. I had nothing to do with it, AS YOU WELL
>> > KNOW, LIAR.
>>
>> Cats do not get outside on their own, irresponsible owners let them
>> out. You are an IRRESPONSIBLE PET OWNER.
>
>In many jurisdictions a cat at large is the same offense as a dog at
>large.
Name ONE such jurisdiction, liar.
It might be prosecuted less often, but it's a reflection on
>general safety and treating one's pets in a responsible manner.
>"Having a life" and being treated in a responsible manner are not
>directly connected. The one is a philosophical generality while the
>other is a civic responsibility.
>
>While one can never countervail any of Mikey's blither-blather, the
>occasional post which educes said response provides a modicum of
>amusement in slow times and jogs others' sensibilities as to Mikey's
>near-total misanthropy.
>
>PH
Mike Vandeman
That's easy: you are wrong on all counts. Of course, liar.
Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:
"I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
a laugh.
http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg"
You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
Tom Sherman
Dude,
"Vanderman" (sic) is NOT the same as "Vandeman" (sic). Notice that one
has an "r" and the other does not.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
Siskuwihane
> On Fri, 2 May 2008 17:58:17 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 29, 12:59 pm, Siskuwihane <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 29, 10:26 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >> > On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:21:41 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> >> > <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >On Apr 28, 12:32 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> > >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:49:55 -0700 (PDT), pmh <pmhil...@verizon.net>
> >> > >> wrote:
>
> >> > >> >A broken collarbone has less than zero correlation with genetic
> >> > >> >variation through natural selection. Neither can be rationally
> >> > >> >discussed in terms of the other.
>
> >> > >> Idiot. Injuries and death from mountain biking is natural selection at
> >> > >> work, weeding out those with no morals and no sense.
>
> >> > >Like what happened to your cat because you had no morals or sense. A
> >> > >poor animal had to die because of your supidity.
>
> >> > BS. He was run over by a car. I had nothing to do with it, AS YOU WELL
> >> > KNOW, LIAR.
>
> >> Cats do not get outside on their own, irresponsible owners let them
> >> out. You are an IRRESPONSIBLE PET OWNER.
>
> >In many jurisdictions a cat at large is the same offense as a dog at
> >large.
>
> Name ONE such jurisdiction, liar.
You're such an uninformed idiot, Michael J. Vandeman.
B.Running at Large:No dog or cat shall be permitted torun at large in
the City.Dogs or cats, which are on any street,sidewalk, alley or
other public place in the City without being held securely by a leash,
shall be deemed to be running at large.(Ord. 2002-143,§3,2002)
Siskuwihane
> On Fri, 2 May 2008 18:50:36 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
Michael J. Vandeman, why did you lie and post that I worked for an
airline?
magua...@gmail.com
Did you fly or not? YES or no
Did you lie about me being a mtber? YES or no
Did you lie about other's occupations such as airline sources? YES or
no
Did you write a book? yes or NO
Did you tell people you walked to an airport that is not possible to
walk to in Australia? YES or no
Is your website entirely quotes from others? YES or no
Did you not say 'my country found me more valuable back home" in
response to hiding from the draft? YES or no
Are you the Swedish Chef from the muppets? yes or no
Did you not keep a good eye on your poor cat? yes or no and with this
question...cat's a detrimental to society when left outdoors and
unfixed due to the needless killing off of animals not in the cycle.
what kind of irresponsible fool would preach envirofriendly topics
and
do the opposite behind closed doors? a dishonest one like you.
Do you not work for one of the worst companies that kill nature and
trees in the name of technology? YES or no
ANSWER THEM DIRECTLY. You just lied about all of them just now when
you said I was wrong on all accounts. You prior answers are all out
there in past posts. You are a liar.
Perhaps the worst accusation you have ever made against me is
here.......why is this included in answer to my post. I never asked
you this? Are you lying again? Those words were never said by me yet
are included in your response to me. I have never threatened you. you
should at least admit that you are wrong here. This is a simple forum
and you are now accusing me of threats. You're not worthy of a threat.
no man is. You cut and pasted that in there and that was not my post.
>May you receive all that you deserve.
Your threat is duly noted, hypocrite.
AND it says VANDERMAN!
On May 2, 11:55 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 May 2008 18:50:36 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Tom Sherman
> [...]
> ANSWER THEM DIRECTLY. You just lied about all of them just now when
> you said I was wrong on all accounts. You prior answers are all out
> there in past posts. You are a liar.
> Perhaps the worst accusation you have ever made against me is
> here.......why is this included in answer to my post. I never asked
> you this? Are you lying again? Those words were never said by me yet
> are included in your response to me. I have never threatened you. you
> should at least admit that you are wrong here. This is a simple forum
> and you are now accusing me of threats. You're not worthy of a threat.
> no man is. You cut and pasted that in there and that was not my post.
>
>> May you receive all that you deserve.
>
If you really want to get to Mikey V., I suggest investing in a decent
hard-tail MTB, and finding some beginner level trails to start out on.
I suggest the hard-tail, since it will be about half the price of a
similar quality full-suspension bike - for beginner use you should be
able to find a proper bike in the $600-700 range. No need for anything
better unless you get the bug and want to tackle the more technical
stuff. Just moderate trail/fire road riding away from urban areas has
its own attractions.
JP
lacking humanity and social responsibility.
Here's a more clearly worded "threat" Mike.
Can't wait to meet you so I can transform your face into hamburger.
Note it, report it, forward it to the FBI, SFPD, and/or anyone else
you think might actually give a crap about your continued existence.
Depressingly short list I'm sure.
JP
Mike Vandeman
Very funny! What an ignorant Podunk!:
Harvard Facts
Population
2005
City of Harvard
8,968
>B.Running at Large:No dog or cat shall be permitted torun at large in
>the City.Dogs or cats, which are on any street,sidewalk, alley or
>other public place in the City without being held securely by a leash,
>shall be deemed to be running at large.(Ord. 2002-143,§3,2002)
Mike Vandeman
Show me where I said that, liar.
Mike Vandeman
That only means that he can't spell, NOR tell the truth.
Mike Vandeman
Mike Vandeman
>Exactly the response I would expect from an unprincipled lying hypocrite
>lacking humanity and social responsibility.
>
>Here's a more clearly worded "threat" Mike.
>
>Can't wait to meet you so I can transform your face into hamburger.
... because?
>Note it, report it, forward it to the FBI, SFPD, and/or anyone else
>you think might actually give a crap about your continued existence.
>Depressingly short list I'm sure.
>
>JP
>
>
Mike Vandeman
Break a leg!
Siskuwihane
Sure, no problem.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.mountain-bike/msg/0da67c3cd81ea3dd
Michael J. Vandeman wrote:
"We psychologists call that "Projection". Obviously, you have more
familiarity with parking than I do, since I don't own a car and since
you work for an airline. DUH! "
Look's like you are the liar, again.
Siskuwihane
> Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:
>
> "I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
> trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
> a laugh.
>
> http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg"
>
> You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
> --
Mike , why did you lie and post that I worked for an airline? Why are
you so dishonest?
Siskuwihane
>
> Very funny! What an ignorant Podunk!:
>
> Harvard Facts
>
> Population
> 2005
>
> City of Harvard
> 8,968
>
> >B.Running at Large:No dog or cat shall be permitted torun at large in
> >the City.Dogs or cats, which are on any street,sidewalk, alley or
> >other public place in the City without being held securely by a leash,
> >shall be deemed to be running at large.(Ord. 2002-143,§3,2002)
>
Looks like you were proven wrong...again.
Mike Vandeman
So whom DO you work for?
Mike Vandeman
<Siskuw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 17, 12:27 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:
>>
>> "I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
>> trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
>> a laugh.
>>
>> http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg"
>>
>> You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
>> --
>
>Mike , why did you lie and post that I worked for an airline? Why are
>you so dishonest?
So whom DO you work for?
Siskuwihane
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 04:38:50 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> >On May 17, 12:27 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:
>
> >> "I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
> >> trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
> >> a laugh.
>
> >>http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg"
>
> >> You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
> >> --
>
> >Mike , why did you lie and post that I worked for an airline? Why are
> >you so dishonest?
>
> So whom DO you work for?
Tell us why you lied about my employemnt, Michael J. Vandeman?
magua...@gmail.com
Boy you are DUMB mikey. His name is everywhere out there you bonehead,
you just need to do the research. He works for a conservation group
that is non-profit as a leading ecologist/researching project
coordinator and you even quote him on you site in one of your "nature
promotion" quotes that has nothing to do with mountain biking. I am
surprised he hasn't tossed that in your face but we just joke about it
because you're such an ass.
I can tell you he doesn't work for a technology corporation that rapes
the landscape in the name of innovation like you do Mike!!!! And
regarding proving your lies...it would take all day for me to link
it.
I am not sure if you guys saw this picture of mike VANDERMAN...but I
found it on the web.
http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg
Mike Vandeman
Until you tell us whom you work for, we don't know whether you work
for an airline or not. Your hesitance to tell the truth is obvious and
telling.
Mike Vandeman
"I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
a laugh.
http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg"
You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
--
magua...@gmail.com
Hmmm...it reads MIke Vanderman.....again. But you persist. sociopath!
And thanks again for posting my friend's quote on your site and
attacking him here...LOL. Do your research. His name is everywhere.
Siskuwihane
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 16:32:03 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 18, 12:11 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 May 2008 04:38:50 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 17, 12:27 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:
>
> >> >> "I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
> >> >> trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
> >> >> a laugh.
>
> >> >>http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg"
>
> >> >> You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
> >> >> --
>
> >> >Mike , why did you lie and post that I worked for an airline? Why are
> >> >you so dishonest?
>
> >> So whom DO you work for?
>
> >Tell us why you lied about my employemnt, Michael J. Vandeman?
>
> Until you tell us whom you work for, we don't know whether you work
> for an airline or not. Your hesitance to tell the truth is obvious and
> telling.
And until you tell us who you work for, we don't know whether you work
for GM and moonlight for Yeti or not. Your hesitance to tell us is
obvious and telling.
Of, course, it doesn't negate the fact you outright lied about my
employment because you are incapable of telling the truth. You want to
know where I work because you have a history of contacting the
employers of those who disagree with you.
Mike Vandeman
>On May 18, 11:40 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:
>>
>> "I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
>> trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
>> a laugh.
>>
>> http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg"
>>
>> You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
>> --
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
>Hmmm...it reads MIke Vanderman
We know what you meant: you just can't spell (still LYING, I see). But
either way, it was a deliberate LIE, which you still haven't
explained.
magua...@gmail.com
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 03:06:46 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
It is as it says. I searched and found a photo of Mike Vanderman and
posted it. Search Mike Vanderman and the photo is there...no
mispelling...it was searched and found as such. You are strangely
infatuated with this poor guy. Someone should probably clue him in
that there is a sociopath stalker like you with interest in poor mike
vanderman.
And we still appreciate the posting of my bud's quote on your site as
you attack him above to discredit him. LOL. discrediting him would be
to discredit your site...which you do well on your own.
Mike Vandeman
Then post the link. You CAN'T, because you are obviously LYING again.
recycled
news:nag434tboojnp4h7j...@4ax.com...
> There really is no poing in communicating with a LIAR.
~~~~~
"Mike Vandeman" <mjv...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:86g434p4p7dhtdmos...@4ax.com...
> We know what you meant: you just can't spell
Mikey. You funny.
> I am working on creating a neurotics habitat that is off-limits to
> reason ("pure bullshit"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting sanity and rationalism.)
>
> Please don't put a brain cell next to any part of my delusions that you
> are fond of!
>
> http://home.of.pac.o.shite.net/mjvande
magua...@gmail.com
name Mike Vanderman. There he is...what is your fascination with this
poor guy? Gees...that isn't lying? just go to
google.com
then put the name mike vanderman in the box in the middle of the
screen...click on image and there he is. no one ever said it was you!
You are such a crazy liar Mike.
Siskuwihane
wrote:
> post the link? you are strange...search google and hit images with the
> name Mike Vanderman. There he is...what is your fascination with this
> poor guy? Gees...that isn't lying? just go to
> google.com
> then put the name mike vanderman in the box in the middle of the
> screen...click on image and there he is. no one ever said it was you!
> You are such a crazy liar Mike.
It even brings up that picture of that hairy hermit sticker I found in
the Moshannon State Forest.
Mike Vandeman
<magua...@gmail.com> wrote:
>post the link?
Post the link, if it exists. Or are you LYING again?
Ed Pirrero
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 14:50:28 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>
> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >post the link?
>
> Post the link, if it exists. Or are you LYING again?
Typing the name into Google works.
You can repeatedly deny reality as you desire, but reality still
exists in spite of you.
E.P.
Mike Vandeman
<gcmsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 20, 5:34 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 14:50:28 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>>
>> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >post the link?
>>
>> Post the link, if it exists. Or are you LYING again?
>
>Typing the name into Google works.
It doesn't return just one link. I want that link, not a million
others.
>You can repeatedly deny reality as you desire, but reality still
>exists in spite of you.
>
>E.P.
Ed Pirrero
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:53:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >On May 20, 5:34 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 14:50:28 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>
> >> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >post the link?
>
> >> Post the link, if it exists. Or are you LYING again?
>
> >Typing the name into Google works.
>
> It doesn't return just one link. I want that link, not a million
> others.
Your lack of simple researching ability is not a surprise. Odd how it
just popped up for me, yet you were unable to follow simple
directions.
Your inability to perform this very simple data collection task calls
into serious question your ability to collect and evaluate *any* data.
E.P.
Siskuwihane
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:53:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >On May 20, 5:34 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 14:50:28 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>
> >> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >post the link?
>
> >> Post the link, if it exists. Or are you LYING again?
>
> >Typing the name into Google works.
>
> It doesn't return just one link. I want that link, not a million
> others.
A million? Let's not exagerate like you do on your webpages, it only
brings up 554 in "images" and the picture in question is the first
one, dummy.
magua...@gmail.com
is obvious you are a stalker and sociopath. poor Mike Vanderman.
Someday we can sit down and go through the prior directions we type in
for you so you can use the web as a well informed user.
Mike Vandeman
Why are you afraid to provide the link? Afraid we might find out you
lied? Again?
Mike Vandeman
No, it doesn't. Are you talking about the same image we are?
Mike Vandeman
Why are you afraid to provide the link? Afraid we'll find out you LIED
again?
Ed Pirrero
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 21:03:51 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
>
>
> >On May 20, 8:29 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:53:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 20, 5:34 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 14:50:28 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>
> >> >> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >post the link?
>
> >> >> Post the link, if it exists. Or are you LYING again?
>
> >> >Typing the name into Google works.
>
> >> It doesn't return just one link. I want that link, not a million
> >> others.
>
> >Your lack of simple researching ability is not a surprise. Odd how it
> >just popped up for me, yet you were unable to follow simple
> >directions.
>
> >Your inability to perform this very simple data collection task calls
> >into serious question your ability to collect and evaluate *any* data.
>
> Why are you afraid to provide the link?
Where did I claim to be afraid of providing the link?
>Afraid we might find out you
> lied?
"We" Who is "we"? The only "we" here is the folks who have
successfully searched Google.
> Again?
Since you can't show any time I actually did lie, then someone else
must be fabricating something. Hmmm....
E.P.
Ed Pirrero
> On Wed, 21 May 2008 03:48:46 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 20, 11:29 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:53:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 20, 5:34 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 14:50:28 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>
> >> >> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >post the link?
>
> >> >> Post the link, if it exists. Or are you LYING again?
>
> >> >Typing the name into Google works.
>
> >> It doesn't return just one link. I want that link, not a million
> >> others.
>
> >A million? Let's not exagerate like you do on your webpages, it only
> >brings up 554 in "images" and the picture in question is the first
> >one, dummy.
>
> No, it doesn't.
It sure does. I guess your research skills are lacking. Well, that's
obvious from your website, but that's neither here nor there.
E.P.
Siskuwihane
> On Wed, 21 May 2008 03:48:46 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 20, 11:29 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:53:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 20, 5:34 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 14:50:28 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>
> >> >> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >post the link?
>
> >> >> Post the link, if it exists. Or are you LYING again?
>
> >> >Typing the name into Google works.
>
> >> It doesn't return just one link. I want that link, not a million
> >> others.
>
> >A million? Let's not exagerate like you do on your webpages, it only
> >brings up 554 in "images" and the picture in question is the first
> >one, dummy.
>
> No, it doesn't.
Yes it does, idiot.
>Are you talking about the same image we are?
"We" as in everyone else but you, yes "we" are talking about the same
image. Seems "you" are the only dummy who cannot use a search engine.
magua...@gmail.com
still comes up. If you can't talk yourself through those steps...then
you're proving you're a mentally challenged or just totally non seeing
the obvious...like a sociopathic personality such as yourself would
do.
Mike Vandeman
Which picture are YOU talking about? Are you even following this
conversation?
Mike Vandeman
What picture are YOU talking about?
Mike Vandeman
What are those steps? Why the secrecy? Afraid we'll find out you are
LYING again?
Mike Vandeman
<gcmsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 22, 9:14 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 May 2008 21:03:51 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On May 20, 8:29 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:53:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>>
>> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On May 20, 5:34 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 14:50:28 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>>
>> >> >> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >post the link?
>>
>> >> >> Post the link, if it exists. Or are you LYING again?
>>
>> >> >Typing the name into Google works.
>>
>> >> It doesn't return just one link. I want that link, not a million
>> >> others.
>>
>> >Your lack of simple researching ability is not a surprise. Odd how it
>> >just popped up for me, yet you were unable to follow simple
>> >directions.
>>
>> >Your inability to perform this very simple data collection task calls
>> >into serious question your ability to collect and evaluate *any* data.
>>
>> Why are you afraid to provide the link?
>
>Where did I claim to be afraid of providing the link?
Right now, since you still haven't provided it.
>>Afraid we might find out you
>> lied?
>
>"We" Who is "we"? The only "we" here is the folks who have
>successfully searched Google.
>
>> Again?
>
>Since you can't show any time I actually did lie, then someone else
>must be fabricating something. Hmmm....
>
>E.P.
Siskuwihane
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 17:45:01 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>
> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Hmm...I just went through every step again and Mike VandeRman's image
> >still comes up. If you can't talk yourself through those steps...then
> >you're proving you're a mentally challenged or just totally non seeing
> >the obvious...like a sociopathic personality such as yourself would
> >do.
>
> What are those steps? Why the secrecy? Afraid we'll find out you are
> LYING again?
How long are you going to play dumb? Oh wait, maybe you're not
playing, at your age it may be dementia.
magua...@gmail.com
Mike Vandeman
I'm calling your bluff. Give us the link, or we will have to believe
that you are LYING again.
Mike Vandeman
>It's as plain as the nose on your face...you're just a fucking idiot.
WHAT is? The smell of dishonesty and obfuscation is rank.
Siskuwihane
> On Sat, 24 May 2008 04:44:38 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 24, 2:26 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 23 May 2008 17:45:01 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>
> >> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Hmm...I just went through every step again and Mike VandeRman's image
> >> >still comes up. If you can't talk yourself through those steps...then
> >> >you're proving you're a mentally challenged or just totally non seeing
> >> >the obvious...like a sociopathic personality such as yourself would
> >> >do.
>
> >> What are those steps? Why the secrecy? Afraid we'll find out you are
> >> LYING again?
>
> >How long are you going to play dumb? Oh wait, maybe you're not
> >playing, at your age it may be dementia.
>
> I'm calling your bluff. Give us the link, or we will have to believe
> that you are LYING again.
"Us"? "We"? Get a grip, it's only "YOU" all by your lonesome, like at
work, at home, in Berkeley or San Ramone.
magua...@gmail.com
Try and focus.
Go to www.google.com
Enter in Mike VANDERMAN...notice spelling Tard. It's not all about
you.
Then click on image. and the first...very first picture is Mike
VandeRman chasing a cyclist. That is what was said all along. No lies
you ass from Berkeley. Or to make it real simple...this is the
specific page.
The original description still reads the same. Mike VandeRman...not
you. Remember. Life is not all about you, you sociopath!
Mike Vandeman
<Siskuw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 24, 1:09 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 04:44:38 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On May 24, 2:26 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 23 May 2008 17:45:01 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>>
>> >> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >Hmm...I just went through every step again and Mike VandeRman's image
>> >> >still comes up. If you can't talk yourself through those steps...then
>> >> >you're proving you're a mentally challenged or just totally non seeing
>> >> >the obvious...like a sociopathic personality such as yourself would
>> >> >do.
>>
>> >> What are those steps? Why the secrecy? Afraid we'll find out you are
>> >> LYING again?
>>
>> >How long are you going to play dumb? Oh wait, maybe you're not
>> >playing, at your age it may be dementia.
>>
>> I'm calling your bluff. Give us the link, or we will have to believe
>> that you are LYING again.
You are obviously LYING, or you would supply the link. What are you
trying to hide?????
Mike Vandeman
>call your bluff? lies? You're an idiot. Here's the directions again.
>Try and focus.
>
>Go to www.google.com
>Enter in Mike VANDERMAN...notice spelling Tard. It's not all about
>you.
>Then click on image. and the first...very first picture is Mike
>VandeRman chasing a cyclist.
Not every other time I searched. This is the first time it appeared.
That is what was said all along. No lies
>you ass from Berkeley. Or to make it real simple...this is the
>specific page.
>
>
>The original description still reads the same. Mike VandeRman...not
>you. Remember. Life is not all about you, you sociopath!
YOU wrote "Mike VandeRman". That is the lie: it isn't me, nor someone
called "Mike VandeRman". The original image didn't have my name
attached, because, of course, it isn't me, NOR Mike VandeRman. You
obviously have no idea who it is, and yet you LIED and said it's "Mike
VandeRman". What's so hard to understand, LIAR?:
http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg
Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:
"I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
a laugh.
http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg"
You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
Siskuwihane
wrote:
I also found this...
From: ipref...@aol.com (Mike Vanderman)
Subject: Why I'm such a jerk!
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To shed some light on why I don't like mountain bikers, I will give
you
a little background.
As a geekish little troll, you understand it is next to impossible
for
me to get a woman. That led to my many excursions in the woods for
some
self gratification. Yes, just me and a copy of the Sierra Club
newsletter! What bliss!
It just so happened that one day as I was about to "arrive", I was
surprised by a couple of those lying, SUV driving, mountain bikers.
I got up and tried to run, but my pants were down around my
ankles,causing me to trip and injuring my little "tinkey winkey".
Those nasty mountain bikers did nothing but laugh at me while I lay
half
naked on the ground
trying to get my newsletter untangled from my underwear. I swore I
would seek revenge and do everything in my power to keep mountain bike
off the trails.
I may not have the sanctuary of the big woods, but I can find some
pleasure on the back row of the local truckstop.
Mike
I am trying to create pure wanking habitat. Off limits to heterosexual
activity. I spent the last 8 years fighting for the right hang out in
rest areas after dark.
magua...@gmail.com
lying your way out of this...or so your sociopathic sense is telling
you. The first time I searched was for Mike Vanderman. It wasn't
searching for you...remember, it isn't all about you! And if I contact
Mike Vanderman who is an avid archery expert in Iowa...I am sure he
would argue with you regarding his existence. Before you bellow like a
sissy girl for the link to this. Here prick:
http://atlanticarchers.com/06032007.pdf
Mike Vanderman also shot trial compound bows for Easton and is
featured in several of their videos on YouTube.,
So, yeah, he exists. You exist in your own mind as a hero...we see you
as a factless troll. Regarding the letter above on why you hate
MTBers...that is funny! and probably close to the truest fact about
you ever, and found in the archives from long ago.
Mike Vandeman
Your point?
Mike Vandeman
>That picture came up everytime I searched. You're just an idiot who is
>lying your way out of this...or so your sociopathic sense is telling
>you. The first time I searched was for Mike Vanderman. It wasn't
>searching for you...remember, it isn't all about you! And if I contact
>Mike Vanderman who is an avid archery expert in Iowa...I am sure he
>would argue with you regarding his existence.
But he's not the person in the photo you posted. So you LIED. I'm
still waiting to hear why you LIED.
Before you bellow like a
>sissy girl for the link to this. Here prick:
>http://atlanticarchers.com/06032007.pdf
>Mike Vanderman also shot trial compound bows for Easton and is
>featured in several of their videos on YouTube.,
>
>So, yeah, he exists. You exist in your own mind as a hero...we see you
>as a factless troll. Regarding the letter above on why you hate
>MTBers...that is funny! and probably close to the truest fact about
>you ever, and found in the archives from long ago.
Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:
"I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
a laugh.
http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg"
You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
magua...@gmail.com
>
> >sissy girl for the link to this. Here prick:
> >http://atlanticarchers.com/06032007.pdf
> >Mike Vanderman also shot trial compound bows for Easton and is
> >featured in several of their videos on YouTube.,
>
And how the hell do you know what he looks like you asshole! That must
be him because I don't have any info otherwise to suggest it isn't...I
was just doing research and searched the name. You should try some
research some day since your site is nothing but quotes from everyone
else and opinionistic and factless...you still are a asshole!
Mike Vandeman
> > Before you bellow like a
>>
>> >sissy girl for the link to this. Here prick:
>> >http://atlanticarchers.com/06032007.pdf
>> >Mike Vanderman also shot trial compound bows for Easton and is
>> >featured in several of their videos on YouTube.,
>>
>
>And how the hell do you know what he looks like you asshole! That must
>be him because I don't have any info otherwise to suggest it isn't...
You also don't have any information about 6 billion other people.
I
>was just doing research and searched the name.
No, you are LYING again. YOU attached that name to that photo. You
have no idea who it is, but you went ahead and deliberately attached
"Mike Vanderman" to it -- a bald-faced LIE. Why is it so hard for you
to admit that you are an incorrigible LIAR?????
You should try some
>research some day since your site is nothing but quotes from everyone
>else and opinionistic and factless...you still are a asshole!
More lies. Your middle name is "Liar".
Ed Pirrero
Quote exact where, with a link, where I claim to be afraid of posting
the link.
You can't, because no such quote exists. You made it up.
E.P.
Ed Pirrero
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:04:37 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 22, 9:16 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 21 May 2008 03:48:46 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
> >> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 20, 11:29 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:53:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
> >> >> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On May 20, 5:34 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 14:50:28 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>
> >> >> >> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >post the link?
>
> >> >> >> Post the link, if it exists. Or are you LYING again?
>
> >> >> >Typing the name into Google works.
>
> >> >> It doesn't return just one link. I want that link, not a million
> >> >> others.
>
> >> >A million? Let's not exagerate like you do on your webpages, it only
> >> >brings up 554 in "images" and the picture in question is the first
> >> >one, dummy.
>
> >> No, it doesn't.
>
> >It sure does. I guess your research skills are lacking. Well, that's
> >obvious from your website, but that's neither here nor there.
>
> Which picture are YOU talking about?
The same one we've all been talking about. Please do try and keep up.
E.P.
magua...@gmail.com
name on that photo. only the search method for google that brought it
up and I don't really care why it came up. And yes, there is a Mike
VandeRman as I have proven and provided.
I don't have to lie about anything nor have I. I just like watching
you avoid all the contradictions you make continuously on the usenet
here. You lie so much you have yourself convinced you aren't lying and
lately you have been answering your own posts. You're a sociopath by
every definition of the word. You're just a flake. and you are indeed
a true liar.
Mike Vandeman
Unfortunately for you, anyone can look it uo for themselves, and see
that you wrote the text. QED:
?????? ?? ca.environment
????:
Re: Mountain Biker Breaks Collarbone: Evolution at work!
?????:
Sun, 18 May 2008 17:48:36 -0700 (PDT)
????????:
"magua...@gmail.com" <magua...@gmail.com>
?????:
alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
>>So whom DO you work for?
Boy you are DUMB mikey. His name is everywhere out there you bonehead,
you just need to do the research. He works for a conservation group
that is non-profit as a leading ecologist/researching project
coordinator and you even quote him on you site in one of your "nature
promotion" quotes that has nothing to do with mountain biking. I am
surprised he hasn't tossed that in your face but we just joke about it
because you're such an ass.
I can tell you he doesn't work for a technology corporation that rapes
the landscape in the name of innovation like you do Mike!!!! And
regarding proving your lies...it would take all day for me to link
it.
I am not sure if you guys saw this picture of mike VANDERMAN...but I
found it on the web.
http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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??????-?????????? ????? | ??? - ??????? ?????
© 1999 - 2007 Zdravko Stafilov, Zoran Gligorov.
magua...@gmail.com
core...thanks for another post with nothingness...I agree. anyone can
look up your thousands of posts and see the pattern of non-truth.
magua...@gmail.com
quoted it about 200 times now as you illustrate above...each of those
posts, you repeat the link...not I. thus continuing to tag it to Mike
VandeRman and not you. You are a sick little man.
Mike Vandeman
>I attached no name to the photo. I just looked now and there is no
>name on that photo. only the search method for google that brought it
>up and I don't really care why it came up. And yes, there is a Mike
>VandeRman as I have proven and provided.
And your email address, proving that you wrote it. Explain THAT!
>I don't have to lie about anything nor have I.
That's another lie.
I just like watching
>you avoid all the contradictions you make continuously on the usenet
>here. You lie so much you have yourself convinced you aren't lying and
>lately you have been answering your own posts. You're a sociopath by
>every definition of the word. You're just a flake. and you are indeed
>a true liar.
Mike Vandeman
"I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
a laugh.
http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg"
You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
Mike Vandeman
attached the name "Mike Vanderman".
Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:
"I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
a laugh.
http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg"
You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
magua...@gmail.com
> As anyone can easily see, there is no name attached to the photo. YOU
> attached the name "Mike Vanderman".
As you say...there is no name attached to the photo. Only when I
searched Mike VandeRman did the photo come up. and no, my email is not
attached anywhere on that page so don't attempt to make up facts to
justify your own illness.
Mike Vandeman
Yes, it is as plain as day. Your email address is attached to the
photo at the same time that "Mike Vanderman" got attached -- by YOU,
LIAR.
magua...@gmail.com
>
> Yes, it is as plain as day. Your email address is attached to the
> photo at the same time that "Mike Vanderman" got attached -- by YOU,
> LIAR.
The link provided still has no name or EMAIL attached. You like. the
email address is NOT attached to the photo. You lie.
Once again, the pattern of sociopathic behavior with avoidance,
redirection of focus while total focus on one's own universe and
belief that repeatedly lying and avoiding subjects....basically he
feels no matter what, he is always right and never lies. There is no
real medication to treat a sociopath or anti-social such as Mike. Just
pyschotherapy. And rarely does direct challenge work as the person is
usually beyond the rationale stage, like Mike. It is a frightening
illness.
Mike Vandeman
>.
>>
>> Yes, it is as plain as day. Your email address is attached to the
>> photo at the same time that "Mike Vanderman" got attached -- by YOU,
>> LIAR.
>
>The link provided still has no name or EMAIL attached. You like. the
>email address is NOT attached to the photo. You lie.
Right YOU attached it in your post, even though you have NO IDEA who
is in the photo.
>Once again, the pattern of sociopathic behavior with avoidance,
>redirection of focus while total focus on one's own universe and
>belief that repeatedly lying and avoiding subjects....basically he
>feels no matter what, he is always right and never lies. There is no
>real medication to treat a sociopath or anti-social such as Mike. Just
>pyschotherapy. And rarely does direct challenge work as the person is
>usually beyond the rationale stage, like Mike. It is a frightening
>illness.
100% LIES, as you well know. Your PROJECTION is totally out of
control.
Ed Pirrero
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 08:20:52 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>
> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >.
>
> >> Yes, it is as plain as day. Your email address is attached to the
> >> photo at the same time that "Mike Vanderman" got attached -- by YOU,
> >> LIAR.
>
> >The link provided still has no name or EMAIL attached. You like. the
> >email address is NOT attached to the photo. You lie.
>
> Right YOU attached it in your post, even though you have NO IDEA who
> is in the photo.
First you claim it's attached to the photo, then you claim it's
attached to the post.
Hmmm. Can't keep all your fabrications straight, huh?
That happens to compulsive liars.
E.P.
Mike Vandeman
Same thing. They were posted together. Grasping at straws? Afraid to
admit I'm RIGHT (as usual)?
>That happens to compulsive liars.
>
>E.P.
Ed Pirrero
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:09:48 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
>
>
>
> <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 31, 10:10 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 08:20:52 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>
> >> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >.
>
> >> >> Yes, it is as plain as day. Your email address is attached to the
> >> >> photo at the same time that "Mike Vanderman" got attached -- by YOU,
> >> >> LIAR.
>
> >> >The link provided still has no name or EMAIL attached. You like. the
> >> >email address is NOT attached to the photo. You lie.
>
> >> Right YOU attached it in your post, even though you have NO IDEA who
> >> is in the photo.
>
> >First you claim it's attached to the photo, then you claim it's
> >attached to the post.
>
> >Hmmm. Can't keep all your fabrications straight, huh?
>
> Same thing.
Actually, they aren't. Which is why everyone reading this is laughing
at you.
E.P.