This Video Shows Exactly Why Mountain Biking Is Dangerous!
Mike Vandeman
a hiker can control his/her movement in all directions. (With my 56kb modem,
this video took maybe half an hour to download, but it was really worth it,
because it shows exactly what can happen, and why.)
Mike
Subject: [ROMP] Be careful out there.
Here is a nightmarish video of a friend of a friend of a freind.
http://www.romp.org/movies/AndyVacation.wmv
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Jason
> accomplished absolutely nothing.
>
Pretty old mikey thats been around for months if not a year or more, but
then we don't expect you to be up to date or have your facts straight so
it's ok. It is pretty scary though, the first rider was correct the
penalty for failure can be extreme.
Jason
S o r n i
That's the infamous "Miles Todd Crash Video" -- soon to be "as seen on TV"!
Bill "I drove him to the emergency room (on 1/1/4 IIRC)" S.
HardwareLust
"Mike Vandeman" <mjv...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:tj7h21tf83k4eonkm...@4ax.com...
<rambling bullshit snipped>
Normally I ignore Mike's pathetic rambling, but does anyone know exactly
where this video was shot? I definitely want to ride that trail.
For those too lazy or not on broadband, no one was hurt. Just one guy
taking a little tumble down a hill, and he was fine afterwards. Anyone who
rides offroad regularly has seen or experienced far worse, it just happens
to look mildly interesting on video to non-riders.
H.
Captain Dondo
> A biker is suspended above the ground, in a very unstable position. In contrast,
> a hiker can control his/her movement in all directions. (With my 56kb modem,
> this video took maybe half an hour to download, but it was really worth it,
> because it shows exactly what can happen, and why.)
Just two days ago, we had a cyclist and a pedestrian struck and killed in
the streets in two unrelated accidents.
What can we conclude from this?
Riding is dangerous anywhere; so is walking. Time to gas up the Ford
Ex-tinct 8,000# Urban Assault Vehicle!
--
use munged address above to email me
SpamTrap DoM...@seiner.com
blubb...@gmail.com
"Wheeeeeee!!!" all the way down?
/s
S o r n i
> Dangerous? What do you mean? Get a q-tip. Can't you hear Miles going
> "Wheeeeeee!!!" all the way down?
I believe his exact words were, "Fuck me!".
Seriously.
BS
S o r n i
> "Mike Vandeman" <mjv...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:tj7h21tf83k4eonkm...@4ax.com...
> <rambling bullshit snipped>
>
> Normally I ignore Mike's pathetic rambling, but does anyone know
> exactly where this video was shot? I definitely want to ride that
> trail.
Corrizo Gorge. Trains are running now, so can't do it.
> For those too lazy or not on broadband, no one was hurt. Just one guy
> taking a little tumble down a hill, and he was fine afterwards.
> Anyone who rides offroad regularly has seen or experienced far worse,
> it just happens to look mildly interesting on video to non-riders.
You managed to pack a LOT of incorrectness in that one little paragraph.
Off to ride, Bill S.
G.T.
there, the tunnels were in ruins.
GT
S o r n i
> Dude, I heard that trains are running again but how? Last time I was
> there, the tunnels were in ruins.
Dude, apparently they CLEARED 'em! (Last time I was there -- day of the
vid -- they were ALMOST through the main one. Pretty amazing engineering
feat.)
Not sure what /HOURS/ the trains run though, you know? ;-)
Recon Willy
bic...@charter.net
Mike Vandeman wrote:
> A biker is suspended above the ground, in a very unstable position.
In contrast,
> a hiker can control his/her movement in all directions. (With my 56kb
modem,
> this video took maybe half an hour to download, but it was really
worth it,
> because it shows exactly what can happen, and why.)
Yup, those hikers are in control of their bodies and movement at all
times!
<http://www.nps.gov/yose/news/1998/hiker810.htm>
<http://www.sarinfo.bc.ca/Library/Rescues/Eldo.res>
<http://www.traditionalmountaineering.org/News_Hood_HikerDrowned.htm>
<http://www.lvmpdsar.com/1999rprts.html>
<http://www.grandcanyonhiker.com/GCnews/index.shtml>
<http://www.nps.gov/yose/news/1997/hiker813.htm>
<http://www.nynjtc.org/news/2002/styranovski.html>
<http://www.death-valley.us/article656.html>
<http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=3897&messageid=1091303287>
<http://www.nevadageocaching.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=143>
<http://www.theolympian.com/home/news/20050214/southsound/87998.shtml>
<http://forums.alpinezone.com/post-10568.html&highlight=>
And on and on...
HardwareLust
"S o r n i" <so...@bite-me.san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:%I2Wd.38739$Tj7....@twister.socal.rr.com...
>
> > For those too lazy or not on broadband, no one was hurt. Just one guy
> > taking a little tumble down a hill, and he was fine afterwards.
> > Anyone who rides offroad regularly has seen or experienced far worse,
> > it just happens to look mildly interesting on video to non-riders.
>
> You managed to pack a LOT of incorrectness in that one little paragraph.
>
Well, the first sentence I'll admit is a bit of an assumption, but the rest
seems pretty accurate to me. Was he hurt?
H.
S o r n i
No, I drove him to the emergency room just so we could show off the bent
digits and bloody scars.
HardwareLust
>
> No, I drove him to the emergency room just so we could show off the bent
> digits and bloody scars.
>
Could you possibly be more ambiguous with your answer? Bent digits? What
the fuck does that mean? Bloody scars? What, are you from England now or
something? What the fuck do scars have to do with fresh injuries? I'm
confused.
I don't care if got a little road rash or broke a finger or two. That's
normal for everyone and hardly worth mentioning. I want to know if he was
*seriously injured*, more than a typical weekend warrior would be.
The fact you took him to the ER really doesn't mean anything, as I'm not
sure if you're the type who goes to the ER for a hangnail, or if you're the
type that only goes when there's massive bleeding involved. Some people go
to the ER for everything because they have no insurance, and that's the only
way they can see a fucking doctor, so driving him to the ER really doesn't
mean anything by itself.
So, I'll ask again. Was he fucking seriously hurt or not? Set me straight
if I'm wrong.
H.
S o r n i
If you stop being an ass, I might... aw, forget it.
Potty mouth.
small change
> "S o r n i" <so...@bite-me.san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:fv9Wd.39947$Tj7....@twister.socal.rr.com...
>>
>> No, I drove him to the emergency room just so we could show off the
>> bent digits and bloody scars.
>>
>
> Could you possibly be more ambiguous with your answer? Bent digits?
> What the fuck does that mean? Bloody scars? What, are you from
> England now or something? What the fuck do scars have to do with
> fresh injuries? I'm confused.
h
Bent = a curved or angular shape
Digit = finger.
Bloody = blood on it.
scars = mark left on the skin after a surface injury or wound has healed.
hint, if you injure an area that has scars, you might get a "bloody scar".
I've had a few.
you could probably google the origianal event, RR and subsequent posts typed
with one hand.....you will most likely get more information that way than
being rude to people that were actually there.
small change
Jon Danniken
>
>
> That's the infamous "Miles Todd Crash Video" -- soon to be "as seen on
TV"!
>
> Bill "I drove him to the emergency room (on 1/1/4 IIRC)" S.
I think this is the first useful post I've seen from Mr. V; that's quite
some gripping footage there!
BTW: I found this site related to the incident:
http://www.mountainbikebill.com/MilesCrash.htm
Jon
Mr_Kingkillaha
Do you know what's not dangerous? Sitting in a padded room wearing a
helmet. Try it.
--
Mr_Kingkillaha
Curt Bousquet
<Mr_Kingkil...@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote
let it be known in
news:Mr_Kingkil...@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com:
>> Mike
>> Subject: [ROMP] Be careful out there.
>> Here is a nightmarish video of a friend of a friend of a
>> freind. http://www.romp.org/movies/AndyVacation.wmv
Looks like your 'friend of a friend of a friend' either knows
Bill or stole the video from his site. I suspect the later,
since it looks like he even went through the trouble of erasing
some kind of copyright notice or other caption on the video you
posted.
If you want to see the REAL video along with the story behind it
(and some more great videos!), go to this site:
jem
You can be foolish and choose to walk in places where you can choose to
be hurt. You can do the same thing while cycling, as the video demonstrates.
laffing@you
> That's the infamous "Miles Todd Crash Video" -- soon to be "as seen on
TV"!
>
> Bill "I drove him to the emergency room (on 1/1/4 IIRC)" S.
>
section".
Dave W
"HardwareLust" <n0...@n0where.c0m> wrote in message
news:Z3aWd.57874$uc.20775@trnddc08...
Google the original fucking thread here and do a little research b-4 showing
what a jerk-off you are...
Thank you....
Mike Vandeman
.* Mike Vandeman <mjv...@pacbell.net>:
.> A biker is suspended above the ground, in a very unstable position. In contrast,
.> a hiker can control his/her movement in all directions. (With my 56kb modem,
.> this video took maybe half an hour to download, but it was really worth it,
.> because it shows exactly what can happen, and why.)
.>
.> Mike
.>
.>
.> Subject: [ROMP] Be careful out there.
.>
.> Here is a nightmarish video of a friend of a friend of a freind.
.> http://www.romp.org/movies/AndyVacation.wmv
.>
.> ===
.> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
.> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
.> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) And I have
.> accomplished absolutely nothing.
.>
.
.Pretty old mikey thats been around for months if not a year or more, but
.then we don't expect you to be up to date or have your facts straight so
.it's ok. It is pretty scary though, the first rider was correct the
.penalty for failure can be extreme.
.
.Jason
What happened to the victim?
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Mike Vandeman
.Jason wrote:
.> * Mike Vandeman <mjv...@pacbell.net>:
.>> A biker is suspended above the ground, in a very unstable position.
.>> In contrast, a hiker can control his/her movement in all directions.
.>> (With my 56kb modem, this video took maybe half an hour to download,
.>> but it was really worth it, because it shows exactly what can
.>> happen, and why.)
.>>
.>> Mike
.>>
.>>
.>> Subject: [ROMP] Be careful out there.
.>>
.>> Here is a nightmarish video of a friend of a friend of a freind.
.>> http://www.romp.org/movies/AndyVacation.wmv
.>>
.>> ===
.>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
.>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
.>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) And I have
.>> accomplished absolutely nothing.
.>>
.>
.> Pretty old mikey thats been around for months if not a year or more,
.> but then we don't expect you to be up to date or have your facts
.> straight so it's ok. It is pretty scary though, the first rider was
.> correct the penalty for failure can be extreme.
.
.That's the infamous "Miles Todd Crash Video" -- soon to be "as seen on TV"!
.
.Bill "I drove him to the emergency room (on 1/1/4 IIRC)" S.
How bad was he?
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Mike Vandeman
.
."Mike Vandeman" <mjv...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
.news:tj7h21tf83k4eonkm...@4ax.com...
.<rambling bullshit snipped>
.
.Normally I ignore Mike's pathetic rambling, but does anyone know exactly
.where this video was shot? I definitely want to ride that trail.
.
.For those too lazy or not on broadband, no one was hurt. Just one guy
.taking a little tumble down a hill, and he was fine afterwards. Anyone who
.rides offroad regularly has seen or experienced far worse, it just happens
.to look mildly interesting on video to non-riders.
Right. Falling off a cliff is nothing to worry about.
.H.
.
Mike Vandeman
.HardwareLust wrote:
.> "Mike Vandeman" <mjv...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
.> news:tj7h21tf83k4eonkm...@4ax.com...
.> <rambling bullshit snipped>
.>
.> Normally I ignore Mike's pathetic rambling, but does anyone know
.> exactly where this video was shot? I definitely want to ride that
.> trail.
.
.Corrizo Gorge. Trains are running now, so can't do it.
.
.> For those too lazy or not on broadband, no one was hurt. Just one guy
.> taking a little tumble down a hill, and he was fine afterwards.
.> Anyone who rides offroad regularly has seen or experienced far worse,
.> it just happens to look mildly interesting on video to non-riders.
.
.You managed to pack a LOT of incorrectness in that one little paragraph.
He's a mountain biker, isn't he? Then what's the truth?
.Off to ride, Bill S.
Shaun aRe
> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:12:02 GMT, "HardwareLust" <n0...@n0where.c0m>
wrote:
>
> .
> ."Mike Vandeman" <mjv...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> .news:tj7h21tf83k4eonkm...@4ax.com...
> .<rambling bullshit snipped>
> .
> .Normally I ignore Mike's pathetic rambling, but does anyone know exactly
> .where this video was shot? I definitely want to ride that trail.
> .
> .For those too lazy or not on broadband, no one was hurt. Just one guy
> .taking a little tumble down a hill, and he was fine afterwards. Anyone
who
> .rides offroad regularly has seen or experienced far worse, it just
happens
> .to look mildly interesting on video to non-riders.
>
> Right. Falling off a cliff is nothing to worry about.
Well, wasn't quite so much of a cliff from what I saw, more like an
incredibly steep slope with rocks all over and around it.
HTH.
Shaun aRe
miles todd
>
> "S o r n i" <so...@bite-me.san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:TF2Wd.38738$Tj7....@twister.socal.rr.com...
> That was one fucking cool video - I had no sound on my PC, so I played it in
> the main office. Miles, oh boy, don't think I've cringed as much as when I
> saw that, not for a long time anyway...heheheh...phew!
>
>
> Shaun aRe
Honestly, I have a hard time watching it, too.
miles
miles todd
Nope. That never came up. Since it was 15 months ago, I can't
remember the conversation word for word, but a lot of it revolved
around Bill complaining I was getting blood on his passenger seat, and
could I please quit it.
miles
Shaun aRe
He was fine.
Shaun aRe - Now *I'm* bad.
miles todd
>
> Well, wasn't quite so much of a cliff from what I saw, more like an
> incredibly steep slope with rocks all over and around it.
>
> HTH.
>
>
> Shaun aRe
No, it was a cliff. At least the first 10 meters or so were vertical,
then the next 40 meters I fell were just really damned steep. The
video doesn't do a great job of capturing the cliffness of it, but if
you look at the photos that eric took of the area you can get a better
perspective.
miles
Shaun aRe
Mike Vandeman
wrote:
.
."Mike Vandeman" <mjv...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
.news:47tt21p4r7605t6b0...@4ax.com...
.> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:21:14 GMT, "S o r n i" <so...@bite-me.san.rr.com>
.wrote:
.>
.> .Jason wrote:
.> .> * Mike Vandeman <mjv...@pacbell.net>:
.> .>> A biker is suspended above the ground, in a very unstable position.
.> .>> In contrast, a hiker can control his/her movement in all directions.
.> .>> (With my 56kb modem, this video took maybe half an hour to download,
.> .>> but it was really worth it, because it shows exactly what can
.> .>> happen, and why.)
.> .>>
.> .>> Mike
.> .>>
.> .>>
.> .>> Subject: [ROMP] Be careful out there.
.> .>>
.> .>> Here is a nightmarish video of a friend of a friend of a freind.
.> .>> http://www.romp.org/movies/AndyVacation.wmv
.> .>>
.> .>> ===
.> .>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
.> .>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
.> .>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) And I have
.> .>> accomplished absolutely nothing.
.> .>>
.> .>
.> .> Pretty old mikey thats been around for months if not a year or more,
.> .> but then we don't expect you to be up to date or have your facts
.> .> straight so it's ok. It is pretty scary though, the first rider was
.> .> correct the penalty for failure can be extreme.
.> .
.> .That's the infamous "Miles Todd Crash Video" -- soon to be "as seen on
.TV"!
.> .
.> .Bill "I drove him to the emergency room (on 1/1/4 IIRC)" S.
.>
.> How bad was he?
.
.He was fine.
Translated from mountain bikerese: "His body was royally fucked up, but he was
in denial".
.Shaun aRe - Now *I'm* bad.
.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Shaun aRe
Cuts, bruises, scratches, few broken fingers - shit like that was all.
Shaun aRe - So, how's your brain recovering from your accident Mike?
Shaun aRe
"miles todd" <miles...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2005031008355175249%milestodd@gmailcom...
> On 2005-03-10 05:11:33 -0800, "Shaun aRe" <shau...@zenlunatics.co.uk>
said:
>
> >
> > Well, wasn't quite so much of a cliff from what I saw, more like an
> > incredibly steep slope with rocks all over and around it.
> >
> > HTH.
> >
> >
> > Shaun aRe
>
> No, it was a cliff.
Heheheh, I *know* that Meester Miles - I was just taking the piss a little
',;~}~
> At least the first 10 meters or so were vertical,
> then the next 40 meters I fell were just really damned steep.
Nice tranny for the landing then? ',;~}~
> The
> video doesn't do a great job of capturing the cliffness of it, but if
> you look at the photos that eric took of the area you can get a better
> perspective.
>
> miles
The vid did t enough justice for me mate! YIKES! Heheheh...
Cheers!
Shaun aRe
Shaun aRe
Well there's one good thing - that there vid is solid proof that miracles
happen.
Shaun aRe
Mike Vandeman
wrote:
.
."Mike Vandeman" <mjv...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
.news:au9231158idlh943j...@4ax.com...
.> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:06:40 -0000, "Shaun aRe"
.<shau...@zenlunatics.co.uk>
.> wrote:
.>
.> .
.> ."Mike Vandeman" <mjv...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
.> .news:47tt21p4r7605t6b0...@4ax.com...
.> .> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:21:14 GMT, "S o r n i"
.<so...@bite-me.san.rr.com>
.> .wrote:
.> .>
.> .> .Jason wrote:
.> .> .> * Mike Vandeman <mjv...@pacbell.net>:
.> .> .>> A biker is suspended above the ground, in a very unstable position.
.> .> .>> In contrast, a hiker can control his/her movement in all
.directions.
.> .> .>> (With my 56kb modem, this video took maybe half an hour to
.download,
.> .> .>> but it was really worth it, because it shows exactly what can
.> .> .>> happen, and why.)
.> .> .>>
.> .> .>> Mike
.> .> .>>
.> .> .>>
.> .> .>> Subject: [ROMP] Be careful out there.
.> .> .>>
.> .> .>> Here is a nightmarish video of a friend of a friend of a freind.
.> .> .>> http://www.romp.org/movies/AndyVacation.wmv
.> .> .>>
.> .> .>> ===
.> .> .>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
.> .> .>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
.> .> .>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) And I have
.> .> .>> accomplished absolutely nothing.
.> .> .>>
.> .> .>
.> .> .> Pretty old mikey thats been around for months if not a year or more,
.> .> .> but then we don't expect you to be up to date or have your facts
.> .> .> straight so it's ok. It is pretty scary though, the first rider was
.> .> .> correct the penalty for failure can be extreme.
.> .> .
.> .> .That's the infamous "Miles Todd Crash Video" -- soon to be "as seen on
.> .TV"!
.> .> .
.> .> .Bill "I drove him to the emergency room (on 1/1/4 IIRC)" S.
.> .>
.> .> How bad was he?
.> .
.> .He was fine.
.>
.> Translated from mountain bikerese: "His body was royally fucked up, but he
.was
.> in denial".
.
.Cuts, bruises, scratches, few broken fingers - shit like that was all.
He said he fell off a 30' CLIFF. I would say that that is significant. He said
he is scared just to watch the video.
.Shaun aRe - So, how's your brain recovering from your accident Mike?
.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
DecSim
miles todd
I fell about 1450 feet, all told. I got some cuts, a sprained wrist,
and a broken pinky. I also broke my glasses. However, I was certainly
unharmed enough to climb back up, and then ride the ten miles back to
the cars.
I have never said I was scared to watch the video- that is an outright
lie, Mr Vandeman. I have said that I don't like to watch it, but that
is a completely different thing.
As far as psychological scars go, I haven't any. If anything, I have
less of a fear of heights than before.
miles
Mike Vandeman
.Mike Vandeman wrote:
.> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:38:55 -0000, "Shaun aRe" <shau...@zenlunatics.co.uk>
.> wrote:
.>
.> .
.> ."Mike Vandeman" <mjv...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
.> .news:au9231158idlh943j...@4ax.com...
.> .> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:06:40 -0000, "Shaun aRe"
.> .<shau...@zenlunatics.co.uk>
.> .> wrote:
.> .>
.> .> .
.> .> ."Mike Vandeman" <mjv...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
.> .> .news:47tt21p4r7605t6b0...@4ax.com...
.> .> .> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:21:14 GMT, "S o r n i"
.> .<so...@bite-me.san.rr.com>
.> .> .wrote:
.> .> .>
.> .> .> .Jason wrote:
.> .> .> .> * Mike Vandeman <mjv...@pacbell.net>:
.> .> .> .>> A biker is suspended above the ground, in a very unstable position.
.> .> .> .>> In contrast, a hiker can control his/her movement in all
.> .directions.
.> .> .> .>> (With my 56kb modem, this video took maybe half an hour to
.> .download,
.> .> .> .>> but it was really worth it, because it shows exactly what can
.> .> .> .>> happen, and why.)
.> .> .> .>>
.> .> .> .>> Mike
.> .> .> .>>
.> .> .> .>>
.> .> .> .>> Subject: [ROMP] Be careful out there.
.> .> .> .>>
.> .> .> .>> Here is a nightmarish video of a friend of a friend of a freind.
.> .> .> .>> http://www.romp.org/movies/AndyVacation.wmv
.> .> .> .>>
.> .> .> .>> ===
.> .> .> .>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
.> .> .> .>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
.> .> .> .>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) And I have
.> .> .> .>> accomplished absolutely nothing.
.> .> .> .>>
.> .> .> .>
.> .> .> .> Pretty old mikey thats been around for months if not a year or more,
.> .> .> .> but then we don't expect you to be up to date or have your facts
.> .> .> .> straight so it's ok. It is pretty scary though, the first rider was
.> .> .> .> correct the penalty for failure can be extreme.
.> .> .> .
.> .> .> .That's the infamous "Miles Todd Crash Video" -- soon to be "as seen on
.> .> .TV"!
.> .> .> .
.> .> .> .Bill "I drove him to the emergency room (on 1/1/4 IIRC)" S.
.> .> .>
.> .> .> How bad was he?
.> .> .
.> .> .He was fine.
.> .>
.> .> Translated from mountain bikerese: "His body was royally fucked up, but he
.> .was
.> .> in denial".
.> .
.> .Cuts, bruises, scratches, few broken fingers - shit like that was all.
.>
.> He said he fell off a 30' CLIFF. I would say that that is significant. He said
.> he is scared just to watch the video.
.>
.> .Shaun aRe - So, how's your brain recovering from your accident Mike?
.> .
.>
.> ===
.> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
.> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
.> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
.>
.> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
.
.I fell about 1450 feet, all told. I got some cuts, a sprained wrist,
.and a broken pinky. I also broke my glasses. However, I was certainly
.unharmed enough to climb back up, and then ride the ten miles back to
.the cars.
.I have never said I was scared to watch the video- that is an outright
.lie, Mr Vandeman. I have said that I don't like to watch it, but that
.is a completely different thing.
.As far as psychological scars go, I haven't any. If anything, I have
.less of a fear of heights than before.
Good. Then do it again.
.miles