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kyle secor

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Jun 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/24/99
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Q: Why is it that harley riders don't wave to sportbike riders?

A: Because they would drop their tools!!!!!!!!!!

Harleys Suck Big Cocks!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Kyle


Peter C Petry

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Jun 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/24/99
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FOAD troll

jackstraw

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Q: Why do sportbike riders pay so much for insurance?

A: Because they are so immature.

...jackstraw

Beer1340

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Jun 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/24/99
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fleabe the tee-hee wrote.....>Q: Why is it that harley riders don't wave to

sportbike riders?
>
>A: Because they would drop their tools!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Harleys Suck Big Cocks!!!
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
>Kyle
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Some of us just prefer not to wave to sportbike riders dressed in bright
lime-green clothing with hot pink helmets that wouldn't know how to turn a
wrench even if they knew what a wrench looked like.SO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JoJo Ryder

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cock secor wrote :

Q: Why is it that harley riders don't wave to sportbike riders?

A: Because they would drop their tools!!!!!!!!!!

Harleys Suck Big Cocks!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I have to say I have been along side the road with a wrench or
two in my hands workin' on the old panhead. Along comes a
'crotch rocket', he might wave but he'll never pull over and see
if he can lend a hand. Hell, I rather push the old gal than ride
like I'm 'humping a dog'.

J.J.R.
"so he can ride horse - doesn't make him a cowboy"


Aguyathome

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Jun 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/24/99
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>
>kyle secor wrote:
>
>> Q: Why is it that harley riders don't wave to sportbike riders?
>>
>> A: Because they would drop their tools!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Harleys Suck Big Cocks!!!
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>
>> Kyle
>

You know, I'm one of those guys who loves all bikes. I've had my share of
sportbikes and dirt bikes growing up but there is nothing like chugging the
open road on a Harley. It might not be fair to point out but, I do find it very
interesting that all the deaths that occured in Laconia this year were the
result of sportbike riders. A guy got over his head on a Ducati and killed to
Harley riders when he crossed the center line. Another guy got in over his head
and lost his sportbike and died by taking trees and telephone poles to the
head. Oh, and Kyle, you're stupid. See ya.


Joe Garton

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What//////////// Ohiojoe
Aguyathome <aguya...@aol.communista> wrote in message
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kyle secor

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My 99' R-1 kicks major butt and I don't care who knows it. Roll with
that on your Harley and see how you feel. Harleys are poor bikes and dat
is a fact.

99 R-1 (Yamaha) Thats for the one track mind of a typcial Harley rider
who knows nothing bout anything else.

Kyle


doug jones

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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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In article <26-3773...@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
There is more to riding a motorcycle than just seeing how fast you can
get from point A to point B, when you grow up you will learn that.


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JoJo Ryder

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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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kylie boy squeaked:

My 99' R-1 kicks major butt and I don't care who knows it. Roll with
that on your Harley and see how you feel. Harleys are poor bikes and dat
is a fact.

99 R-1 (Yamaha) Thats for the one track mind of a typcial Harley rider
who knows nothing bout anything else.

Kyle
-------------------------------------
Sounds like a great bike Kylie. Might get one for my grandson. He's 8 years
old now and that sounds like a great little bike for him to start learnin'
how
to ride. They must go for around $900 new. I guess I can pickup a used 98'
up for
around $250 or so. Thanks for the tip.

J.J.R.
"so he can ride a horse - doesn't make him a cowboy"

Mark Wyatt

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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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Why don`t you roll your webtvyamajackinoff ass on out of here then? Children
are not welcome in here.
Thank you very much;-)

Peter Hodgins

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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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I'll be leaving St. John's Newfoundland August 1/99
on my 99 FLHTCI (2 up), destination Carmel Calif.
wanna race?
I'll beat you by at least 2 days, and the only sore butt will be yours,
jerk off!
ph.


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On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:49:28 -0400 (EDT), fle...@webtv.net (kyle
secor) wrote:

>My 99' R-1 kicks major butt and I don't care who knows it. Roll with
>that on your Harley and see how you feel. Harleys are poor bikes and dat
>is a fact.
>
>99 R-1 (Yamaha) Thats for the one track mind of a typcial Harley rider
>who knows nothing bout anything else.
>
>Kyle
>


Hey dickhead... I've got an idea. Why don't we have a little contest?

First we will drag race. The winner gets to ride around as fast as he
can shouting that the losing brand sucks.

Then we will have a tug-o-war. Two bikes, one rope.... The winner
gets to drag the loser's bike around for a while.... Wanna bet which
bike wins that one?

Scott

Rider1958

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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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Scott says:
>Then we will have a tug-o-war. Two bikes (Yamaha R1 vs. Harley), one rope....

The >winner gets to drag the loser's bike around for a while.... Wanna bet
which
>bike wins that one?

How would that actually turn out?
If the Yamaha makes 130 horsepower at the rear wheel, and the Harley makes 60
horsepower at the rear wheel - wouldn't the Yamaha merely have to switch to
lower gearing (sprockets to overcome any low-end torque difference) to win? And
wouldn't the Yamaha have a bigger contact patch due to the huge rear tire,
giving it better traction over the regular-width tire of the Harley?
Just wonderin'
Ron

wild bill

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JoJo Ryder <Joryde...@usa.net> wrote in message
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>
> kylie boy squeaked:

> My 99' R-1 kicks major butt and I don't care who knows it. Roll with
> that on your Harley and see how you feel. Harleys are poor bikes and dat
> is a fact.
>
> 99 R-1 (Yamaha) Thats for the one track mind of a typcial Harley rider
> who knows nothing bout anything else.
>
> Kyle
> -------------------------------------
> Sounds like a great bike Kylie. Might get one for my grandson. He's 8
years
> old now and that sounds like a great little bike for him to start learnin'
> how
> to ride. They must go for around $900 new. I guess I can pickup a used 98'
> up for
> around $250 or so. Thanks for the tip.
>
> J.J.R.
> "so he can ride a horse - doesn't make him a cowboy"
>
>
make sure it still has gas otherwise its worthless

jackstraw

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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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The R-1 makes no where near 130 hp at the rear tire. I 'm not to sure, but I think
it's around 90. Btw, I owned one up until December of last year. Great
acceleration, great handling...still a piece of shit. I only put 1000 miles on it.
So fucking uncomfortable to ride. It also just gets boring after awhile. I love my
hopped up Sporty, not as fast, but much more fun to ride.

Kyle, maybe some day Santa will bring you a REAL one.


...jackstraw

Panhead

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jackstraw wrote:
>
> The R-1 makes no where near 130 hp at the rear tire. I 'm not to sure, but I think
> it's around 90. Btw, I owned one up until December of last year. Great
> acceleration, great handling...still a piece of shit. I only put 1000 miles on it.
> So fucking uncomfortable to ride. It also just gets boring after awhile. I love my
> hopped up Sporty, not as fast, but much more fun to ride.
>
> Kyle, maybe some day Santa will bring you a REAL one.

What "kyle child" needs is a Clue-x-4 now.
When he has the ability to grow pubic hair, others might be
interested in what that twerp says.

Star Ledger
New Jersey June 24rd, 1999.
" Sportbike rider, Steven Juzwin of Franklin, NJ suffered serious
injuries after colliding with and striking a pick up truck driven
by Peter Allen, also of Franklin, NJ.
The driver of the pickup was not sited as he was not moving at
the time.
Steven Juzwin will be charged with reckless driving if he
survives."

If you would like, I'll post the picture (From the paper) of
said after math of what happens when an idiot hits a full sized
Dodge Ram! (How ironically named!)
I can't tell what brand of bike it is, as it's upside down and
bent!
The truck is still in good shape tho.

Sez YOU, Kyle. Speed kills when in the hands of idiots!

Ray Vannuland

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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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Rider1958 wrote in message <19990625135551...@ng-bd1.aol.com>...

>Scott says:
>>Then we will have a tug-o-war. Two bikes (Yamaha R1 vs. Harley), one
rope....
> The >winner gets to drag the loser's bike around for a while.... Wanna
bet
>which
>>bike wins that one?
>
>How would that actually turn out?
>If the Yamaha makes 130 horsepower at the rear wheel, and the Harley makes
60
>horsepower at the rear wheel - wouldn't the Yamaha merely have to switch to
>lower gearing (sprockets to overcome any low-end torque difference) to win?
And
>wouldn't the Yamaha have a bigger contact patch due to the huge rear tire,
>giving it better traction over the regular-width tire of the Harley?
>Just wonderin'
>Ron

My money is on the heavier bike. I don't care how the Yamaha is geared.
Torque
needs weight. That's why a locomotive weighs so much.

Rayvan

Boris

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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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Rider1958 wrote in message ..

> If the Yamaha makes 130 horsepower at the rear wheel, and the Harley makes
60
> horsepower at the rear wheel - wouldn't the Yamaha merely have to switch
to
> lower gearing (sprockets to overcome any low-end torque difference) to
win? And
> wouldn't the Yamaha have a bigger contact patch due to the huge rear tire,
> giving it better traction over the regular-width tire of the Harley?

Doesn't matter how many ponies the R1 has, it only weighs 390 pounds. With
the Harleys torque and weight I don't think the Yamerhammer's going anywhere
but backwards.

--
Boris

Jack Hover

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JoJo Ryder wrote:

> kylie boy squeaked:
> My 99' R-1 kicks major butt and I don't care who knows it. Roll with
> that on your Harley and see how you feel. Harleys are poor bikes and dat
> is a fact.
>
> 99 R-1 (Yamaha) Thats for the one track mind of a typcial Harley rider
> who knows nothing bout anything else.
>
> Kyle
> -------------------------------------
> Sounds like a great bike Kylie. Might get one for my grandson. He's 8 years
> old now and that sounds like a great little bike for him to start learnin'
> how
> to ride. They must go for around $900 new. I guess I can pickup a used 98'
> up for
> around $250 or so. Thanks for the tip.
>
> J.J.R.
> "so he can ride a horse - doesn't make him a cowboy"

Not unless you want to do you grandson in.
The R1 has about three times more horsepower and half the weight of a
1200 cc Harley Davidson. Nothing to play with for a kid.
And yes, people die on them more often, and people don愒 die on
tractors and Harley Davidsons very often.
I guess that愀 why they愉e sometimes called "Hardly Dangerous" ?
or was it "Harry Parkinson"?...hmm can愒 remember now...

/Jack

Jack Hover

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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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jackstraw wrote:

> The R-1 makes no where near 130 hp at the rear tire. I 'm not to sure, but I think
> it's around 90. Btw, I owned one up until December of last year. Great
> acceleration, great handling...still a piece of shit. I only put 1000 miles on it.
> So fucking uncomfortable to ride. It also just gets boring after awhile. I love my
> hopped up Sporty, not as fast, but much more fun to ride.

The Yamaha YZF R1 of 1999 has around 150 Hps on the crank and 134 Bhps
on the rear wheel. And it weighs 390 ponds.
I realize it´s hard to beleive for a Harley rider but this is true.
This is what happens when you *develop* an engine and do not stick to an old
engine construction from the 30´s. Certainly a straight four like the R1 has
advantages over any two cylinder engine, but Suzuki for instance pull 128 Bhp´s
out of their Ducati inspired vtwin TL 1000R.
So it can be done if you just let technology and science gain way over
old ideas and image.

/Jack


Greasy Rider

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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:49:32 +0200, Jack Hover <jh...@straw.net>
wrote:

Science and technology can't hold a candle to the simplicity of the
anvil-like Harley. Jap technology has no appeal.

Speaking of technology - we Americans build a pretty good atomic bomb
as demonstrated at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We should have leveled the
whole country but they quit too soon.

Ride Safe!
Greasy Rider

The parking lot: http://209.27.24.92/usr/mel/rmh/vbg.htm

Boz

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Smartelic children should be seen not heard. Go back to your cartoons
before your mommy gets home.

kyle secor <fle...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Dave Kuhlman

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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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Greasy Rider wrote:

Settle down people! Have a couple on me.

I'm currently riding a GoldWing and have grown somewhat fond of it. I'm still building
another Harley. I've had a '46 Knuckle, a 49 Pan and a late '78 (first of the 80 inchers)
Shovel. Loved em all, had to sell each one because of my lousy lifestyle though.

Got here to Arizona and couldn't justify not having a scoot. Also couldn't justify making
my wife suffer (she's a real blessing from God) just so I could ride so I picked up a
Goldwing for about the price of a decent Harley motor. Put 20k miles on it in 15 months
and have had some problems, matter of fact it's down right now.

I guess that my point is, ride what you like just don't expect everyone to like what you
ride.

Makes since to me.

And BTW Jack, you really should go somewhere else where they want to listen to your
drivel about your crusty crotch rocket vs. a Harley. Different worlds altogether.

Another aside, ever seen a '46 or '49 rice rocket? Aint even that many 78's around and
you'd definitely have more trouble finding parts for any of 'em anyway. Harleys are fun
because you can make 'em your own with all of the goodies out there as well as
fabricating some of your own. Jap bikes are just like new houses, cookie cutter made just
go to any dealer and tell me what you see, another new development with 6 or 7 models
available in a handful of colors. There are more accessories for the riders than there
are for the bikes (course, some posers are getting pretty close ;-).

Soapbox mode off (click)

Sorry about ramblin' on, have a couple more on me.

SeeYa


--
David C. Kuhlman
CMA Lifetime Member

Motorcycles, a way of life.

Jesus, the way to life, ...Eternal!

John 3:16
John 8:32
Romans 8:28
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pseudocode

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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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No, I believe the Harley would still win. After all, Harleys are made to pull
harvesting equipment, aren't they? By the way, depite tha fact that Kyle *is* an
immature jerkoff who gives us sportbike riders a bad name, I must agree with one of
his assertions. Harley riders seldom wave back when I wave to them. I've not
given up though. I continue to wave politely despite the lackof reciprocity.

Rider1958 wrote:

> Scott says:
> >Then we will have a tug-o-war. Two bikes (Yamaha R1 vs. Harley), one rope....
> The >winner gets to drag the loser's bike around for a while.... Wanna bet
> which
> >bike wins that one?
>
> How would that actually turn out?

> If the Yamaha makes 130 horsepower at the rear wheel, and the Harley makes 60
> horsepower at the rear wheel - wouldn't the Yamaha merely have to switch to
> lower gearing (sprockets to overcome any low-end torque difference) to win? And
> wouldn't the Yamaha have a bigger contact patch due to the huge rear tire,
> giving it better traction over the regular-width tire of the Harley?

> Just wonderin'
> Ron


pseudocode

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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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90 bhp? Are you insane? What are you smoking? On two cylinders, maybe...

jackstraw wrote:

> The R-1 makes no where near 130 hp at the rear tire. I 'm not to sure, but I think
> it's around 90. Btw, I owned one up until December of last year. Great
> acceleration, great handling...still a piece of shit. I only put 1000 miles on it.
> So fucking uncomfortable to ride. It also just gets boring after awhile. I love my
> hopped up Sporty, not as fast, but much more fun to ride.
>

> Kyle, maybe some day Santa will bring you a REAL one.
>

> ...jackstraw

NSXJT

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Jun 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/26/99
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><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Yamaha R-1
>From: "Ray Vannuland" <ray.vannuland@!caere.com>
>Date: Fri, 25 June 1999 02:52 PM EDT
>Message-id: <3773...@news.caere.com>

>
>
>Rider1958 wrote in message <19990625135551...@ng-bd1.aol.com>...
>>Scott says:
>>>Then we will have a tug-o-war. Two bikes (Yamaha R1 vs. Harley), one
>rope....
>> The >winner gets to drag the loser's bike around for a while.... Wanna
>bet
>>which
>>>bike wins that one?

Did I miss something here?A bike tug-o-war?Didn't see it on the schedule at
Laconia.Doesn't sound too relevant.What is relevant is which is more enjoyable
to ride,especially on a long term basis.I have several bikes in the garage,one
of which is a 98 Kawasaki ZX9R,a bike with performance stats only sligtly less
impressive than the currently trendy R1.Guess which bike I ride to work
everyday,rain or shine,all 4 seasons?My Harley FLHTC.Guess which one I almost
never ride?My ZX9R.(its for sale ,by the way-if I can get anywhere near what I
paid for it).Sure the sport bike is a lot of fun,but the Duhamel wannabee
routine gets a little stale after awhile.The Harley,on the other hand,never
gets boring.Kyle.my boy ,you're just a little misguided,thats all.
JT

JoJo Ryder

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Harry Parkinson said:>
> Not unless you want to do you grandson in.
> The R1 has about three times more horsepower and half the weight of a
> 1200 cc Harley Davidson. Nothing to play with for a kid.
> And yes, people die on them more often, and people don´t die on

> tractors and Harley Davidsons very often.
> I guess that´s why they´re sometimes called "Hardly Dangerous" ?
> or was it "Harry Parkinson"?...hmm can´t remember now...
>
> /Jack

You don't understand Jack. My grandson is young and needs one of those
'cheap disposable' bikes. It'll get tore up for sure when he takes it to the
play ground and the girls scoot around on it. That plastic just doesn't hold
up under that kind of abuse. Besides, he doesn't have to worry about how
much horse power the 'ARE ONE" has. He has little balls just like the rest
of
the 'crotch rocket' riders. But thanks for thinking about my grandsons
safety
and I'm glad to hear that Harley bikers don't get killed on tractors.

Boris

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Jack Hover wrote in message

> The Yamaha YZF R1 of 1999 has around
>150 Hps on the crank and 134 Bhps on the
>rear wheel. And it weighs 390 ponds. I realize
>it愀 hard to beleive for a Harley rider but this
>is true.

You know, if you pulled up next to me in my Cadillac driving a Ferriai and
asked me "Wanna race?" I'd laugh at you just like every one else in here is.

You're too young and your testosterone level's too high for you to
understand. Wait another 20 years and it'll start to make sense.

--
Boris
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pseudocode

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Jun 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/26/99
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Comments such as this make even more inconceivable the fact that Harley has failed to (or
has consciously decided not to) produce a bike to match the quality and dependability of
the jap bikes. Yes, riceburners *are* cheaper. No, riceburners don't shine as much.
Yes, Harleys *do* have a certain appeal -- much as my grandmother's Singer sewing machine
does (circa 1920.) But lets face it, riceburners deliver more bang for the buck. More
dependability, more performance, more modern engineering. What they fail to deliver is
the Harley "mystique" (whatever that is.) I'm not a teenager. I'm maried and a father
of two. I ride a sportbike. Why? Because I enjoy it immensely. I enjoy the
performance (don't automatically equate perfomance with speed.) I just don't think I can
get the same performance from a Harley, at least not yet. Maybe someday. And if the day
comes when Harley makes an equitable sportbike in terms of performance and value, I'll
stand in line for it. For now, look for me in the north Georgia mountains -- on my
riceburnin' crotch rocket.

ps Feel free to flame. However, don't bring up Buell as Harley's answer to sportbikes.
While it *is* an exceptional handling bike and fun to ride, its not quite there yet.
Maybe two more cylinders would help?

Greasy Rider wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:49:32 +0200, Jack Hover <jh...@straw.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >

> >jackstraw wrote:
> >
> >> The R-1 makes no where near 130 hp at the rear tire. I 'm not to sure, but I think
> >> it's around 90. Btw, I owned one up until December of last year. Great
> >> acceleration, great handling...still a piece of shit. I only put 1000 miles on it.
> >> So fucking uncomfortable to ride. It also just gets boring after awhile. I love my
> >> hopped up Sporty, not as fast, but much more fun to ride.
> >

> >The Yamaha YZF R1 of 1999 has around 150 Hps on the crank and 134 Bhps
> >on the rear wheel. And it weighs 390 ponds.

kyle secor

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My R-1 pulls 130 horses at the rear wheel. 3 times the horses and a
bigger rear wheel means a Harley getting dragged around "loser" of the
tug of war. Harley people get your facts straight.

Kyle


King86hp

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>ubject: Re: Yamaha R-1
>From: fle...@webtv.net (kyle secor)
>Date: Sat, 26 June 1999 02:01 AM EDT
>Message-id: <4921-377...@newsd-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

I dont think so... suzuki is the way to go every jap rider knows that.... there
are two kinds of people in the world suzuki riders and people who wish they
where on a suzuki...yamaha ha ha ha ha ha they are a joke all of its 70 lbs of
torque at 8000 rpm...there a moped..

NOFANATIC

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pseudocode writes:

>I must agree with one of
>his assertions. Harley riders seldom wave >back when I wave to them. I've
>not
>given up though. I continue to wave >politely despite the lackof reciprocity.

Way too generalized statement here sir. If it's a fact that you don't
encounter any Harley riders that wave back, then I'd suggest you're in an area
of a bunch of assholes. It's *not* that way everywhere, I guarantee you. I
know I'm not the only one that many times waves before I even realize what kind
of bike they're on. Having said that though, I will acknowledge there's a
number of Harley riders that for some reason seem to have a certain arrogance
about them. That kind of 'tude should not be a reflection on Harley bikes, but
rather a sign of that persons own low self-esteem.

Rusty


wild bill

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Yeah, well sometimes what is going on in the road in front of you
is more important than worrying about who is waving or what
they are riding.

--
And help me to remember... When I'm having a really bad day,
And it seems that people are trying to piss me off,
That it takes 42 muscles to frown
And only 4 to extend my middle finger and tell them to bite me

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NOFANATIC

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wild bill writes:

>Yeah, well sometimes what is going on in >the road in front of you
>is more important than worrying about >who is waving or what
>they are riding.

Couldn't agree more. But I was only commenting on those that don't wave simply
because the other guy isn't on a HD.

I didn't say I *always* wave. But when I don't, it doesn't have anything to do
with whether the other bike is a HD or not. More likely, it's because of the
reason you stated above.

Rusty

Panhead

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I never "wave".
I'm to busy making sure that the oncoming driver isn't "Eric
suic-Idle ".

NOFANATIC

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Panhead writes:

> I never "wave".
>I'm to busy making sure that the >oncoming driver isn't "Eric
>suic-Idle "

LOL. :)

Rusty

Panhead

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What can I tell ya? Rigid framed bikes like mine aren't the best
"handlers" in the world.
As my wife told me, "It takes two hands to handle a Whopper!"

..or was that burger king?

King86hp

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Jun 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/26/99
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>Subject: Re: Yamaha R-1
>From: Scott Burns <sbu...@neta.com>
>Date: Sat, 26 June 1999 06:19 PM EDT
>Message-id: <377551FC...@neta.com>
>
><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
>
>Rider1958 wrote:
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>How would that actually turn out?
>
>If the Yamaha makes 130 horsepower at the rear wheel, and the Harleymakes 60

>horsepower at the rear wheel - wouldn't the Yamaha merely have to switchto
>lower gearing (sprockets to overcome any low-end torque difference)to win?

>And
>wouldn't the Yamaha have a bigger contact patch due to the huge reartire,
>giving it better traction over the regular-width tire of the Harley?
>Just wonderin'
>Ron</blockquote>
>
>Horsepower is a measure of the ability to perform work.&nbsp; Torqueis a
>measurement of force along a curve.&nbsp; Look at performance fourwheel drive
>trucks.&nbsp; These trucks have an engine that can produceX number of peak
>horsepower at a given RPM.&nbsp; No more, no less.&nbsp;Now, if that 4x4
>wants to climb a monster hill, it has couple of options.&nbsp;Get a flying
>ass run and hope that momentum can do it's thing, or simplytry to power it's
>way up.&nbsp; Momentum tends to break shit, so most 4x4'erstry the power
>approach.&nbsp; That is where gearing comes in.&nbsp; Gearingaffects the RPM
>and torque relationship between the motor and the wheels.&nbsp;4x4's are know
>to apply gearboxes into gearboxes to achieve outrageousgear ratios.&nbsp;
>Gear ratios in the 40:1, 50:1, and up into the 100:1have been done.&nbsp;
>That means that the motor in the truck can be runningat it peak horsepower
>producing RPM, while the wheels are turning veryslowly, but with huge amounts
>of torque.&nbsp; Imagine a motor that isturning at&nbsp; 4000 rpm, through a
>100:1 gearbox, and then through a4.11 differential.&nbsp; That tire wouldn't
>be turning very fast, but reachout and try to stop it.&nbsp; Next to
>impossible.&nbsp; Now take the samemotor, and make a .001:1 gearbox and a 1:1
>differential.&nbsp; You couldprobably stall that motor out with your
>hands.&nbsp;&nbsp; Same motor,same hp, very different torque applications.
>Yes, with some gearing changes you could make the Yamaha produce
>bettertorque.&nbsp; However, at that point it would be very easy to beat in
>adrag race.... It's a trade off...&nbsp; The Harley motor may not be
>thefastest set-up available.&nbsp; It may not make the highest hp.&nbsp;
>But,it does produce lots of street grabbin torque.&nbsp; Tractability and
>tirepatch area obviously would have an impact, but I don't think it would bea
>factor with this moron.
>Scott
>&nbsp;
>&nbsp;
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

scott who gives a shit get a lift

joseph spitaletto

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Jun 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/27/99
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Clown, your bike is lame, like you. Horsepower? So. Throw away
bike for a throw away society. Simply because you don't get enough
attention (unless your feeble riding skills shock people) you seek
negative reinforcement here. At least you know how to get some
attention right? Can you roll with "dat". Get lost with that ebonyx
shit and your facts. Look up nostalgia in a dictionary. Your bike is a
dime a dozen, sorry. Ride for yourself and quit trying to convince
people your bike is special. If you love it, good for you kid. It's
important in a child's development to believe in himself even despite
the overwhelming odds against him. You may one day grow strong enough
to hold up some iron. Please be sure to recycle all that plastic and
aluminum as our junkyards are reaching their max. I'm a young proud
American who rides an old, chopped, leaky, slow sportster. I love
grease and my bike is my hobby. Since your an ignorant little bastard,
and I'm not as mature as my older Harley riders, I enjoy giving a long
explanation of why people think your a little shit. If you wanted
something to shove up your ass you should have bought a dildo, then you
could have saved your money, hired a shrink, and devoted your attention
on curing your Harley envy. Don't worry, some people probably like your
bike. Don't come here though attempting to be a rebel on your speedy
little bike. We ride for different reasons, and whatever the reason
it's ours. Well, I hope my redundancy has made my point clear. In
short, your bike regardless of its speed is Japanese, this is America,
people like America, people love Harley-Davidson. Go fuck yourself,
clown.
Sincerely,
Chopper Mike


Johnnie Ray

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Jun 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/27/99
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joseph spitaletto wrote:

> If you wanted
> something to shove up your ass you should have bought a dildo, then you
> could have saved your money, hired a shrink, and devoted your attention
> on curing your Harley envy.

> Chopper Mike

Well now we´re getting somewhere when the Harley newsgroup finally
starts talking bout dildos, I´ve had a suspicion all along that Harley
Davidsons work as vibrators, now I know.

Just don´t cum on the road boys, it´s enough with oil spills...
:-)

/Johnnie

Tom Price

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pseudocode <pseud...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:3774526F...@bigfoot.com...

Bait!

> ps Feel free to flame. However, don't bring up Buell as Harley's answer
to sportbikes.
> While it *is* an exceptional handling bike and fun to ride, its not quite
there yet.
> Maybe two more cylinders would help?

Motorjournalists love two cylinder Buells. I know of four magazines that
have Buells as long term rides. The fact that their Buells are the first
bikes checked out for weekend blasts are well documented in their respective
magazines.

Here is a quote from motorcycle online.

"After 20,000 miles, we're every bit as intoxicated by the big, blue
Thunderbolt as we were the day we first picked it up. That heavy-flywheeled
Harley engine searching out every bit of available traction exiting corners
still floats our boat. We'll never give it back."

Riceburners lose Americans long term again and again. Americans want torque.
Even American sportbike riders want torque. Buells deliver and Americans
build them in East Troy! (Waving U.S Flag in background!)

http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbuell/s2_longterm.html Here is the link to
confirm.

pseudocode

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Tom Price wrote:

> Motorjournalists love two cylinder Buells. I know of four magazines that
> have Buells as long term rides. The fact that their Buells are the first
> bikes checked out for weekend blasts are well documented in their respective
> magazines.
>
> Here is a quote from motorcycle online.
>
> "After 20,000 miles, we're every bit as intoxicated by the big, blue
> Thunderbolt as we were the day we first picked it up. That heavy-flywheeled
> Harley engine searching out every bit of available traction exiting corners
> still floats our boat. We'll never give it back."
>
> Riceburners lose Americans long term again and again. Americans want torque.
> Even American sportbike riders want torque. Buells deliver and Americans
> build them in East Troy! (Waving U.S Flag in background!)
>
> http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbuell/s2_longterm.html Here is the link to
> confirm.

I don't disagree that Buells are fun to ride. As I said in my previous post,
they handle superbly. But they don't match the Jap bikes overall. In that I
include performance as well as reliability an value for the money. Cycle World
took a Buell cross country a few months back and had a number of problems
including broken motor mounts. This after only 5000 miles. I'm not ready to
fork over big bucks for something I can't rely on for 40,000+ miles. I ride too
much and too often to have to worry about problems after 5000 miles.


kyle secor

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Jun 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/28/99
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Hey Joseph,

Why you so hostile? Would it be Hmmmmmm........That you and your bike
are pieces of shit? I think that might be the reason. Your harley +
usa = excellent theory is 100% wrong. If you want quality you have to
buy Japanese. Honda,Toyota,Nissan,Mazda,Suzuki,Acura,
Kawasaki, Lexus and Infiniti are all excellent compared to anything that
comes out of either Milwalkee and Detroit. I have owned 3 Jap bikes so
far and have NEVER had a problem, However I don't know of ANY Harley
owner who HAS NOT had a problem sometime during their ownership.
Just because you like something does not mean it's the best.So shut your
Harley ridin, Ford drivin, Chevy wantin ass up untill you know the
facts.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.


www.donandmike.com

Kyle


Andrew Smith

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Jun 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/28/99
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The fact is that you came to our ng and started all this CRAP most
likely because it was raining that particular morning and your "bike?"
and that spiked-up, bleach blonde hairdoo of yours would probably get
ruined! I have found in all my years of riding that people like you who
pop off at the mouth usually have low self-esteem,and, a genuine
confusion as to what gender they really belong to. I do, however, have
friends that ride "Jap" bikes but they wouldn't be my friends if they
had the "juvenile" attitude that you seem to posess.
GROW UP!!!!!!!!!

gotta go
andy


Dave Peterschmidt

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I don't particularly agree with this, at least in my personal
experience. In 1989 I bought a Toyota pickup, in 1990 a Yamaha Maxim.
The Toyota had engine pinging problems which the dealer couldn't
resolve. It also blew a radiator before it was three years old. The
Yamaha never developed a mechanical problem while I drove it.

In 1994 I bought a Chevy full size Blazer (basically a Tahoe the year
before the name of the vehicle was changed to Tahoe). In 1998 I bought
a Harley Road Glide. The Chevy is now five years old and the only
problem it has had was a broken seat mount. No problems whatsoever with
the engine or any other mechanical parts. Ditto so far with the Harley,
although it's a new bike. Based on my experience, I'd say there is no
significant difference between the quality of the Japanese products I've
owned and the American ones. In fact, my American vehicles have a
slightly better breakdown history, since the Toyota blew the radiator.
Also, I *like* both American vehicles better than I did their Jap
counterparts.

sbu...@getnet.com

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On 26 Jun 1999 23:44:28 GMT, king...@aol.com (King86hp) wrote:


>scott who gives a shit get a lift


Get a lift? Are you saying that a higher center of gravity would
improve my performance? I'm confused.... ; >

Scott


Tinker

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Jun 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/28/99
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chuckle! heh heh! Only, now you've done it..............just watch.

Brdevore

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Jun 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/28/99
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Does all that horsepower and light weight make up for little balls and no
brains? Must just be the go fast attitude!
Just an observation from the peanut gallery.

99 Sportster, Thanks for asking...

King86hp

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>bject: Re: Yamaha R-1
>From: sbu...@getnet.com
>Date: Mon, 28 June 1999 12:24 PM EDT
>Message-id: <3777a160...@news.neta.com>

>
>On 26 Jun 1999 23:44:28 GMT, king...@aol.com (King86hp) wrote:
>
>
>>scott who gives a shit get a lift
>
>
>Get a lift? Are you saying that a higher center of gravity would
>improve my performance? I'm confused.... ; >
>
>Scott
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
king writes
well it would not hert

kyle secor

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I stand behind my statement that if it's NOT Japanese it's crap. Period.

www.donandmike.com

Kyle


Topprolmc

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kyle secor wrote:

> I stand behind my statement that if it's NOT Japanese it's crap. Period.
>

Then don't ride on any "American" roads, or drink Budwieser, or "American"
air, fuckin' crap bag.

>
> www.donandmike.com

Aren't they American you shit heal??????

Now leave.


Topp
HSB#99 bs#35

Boris

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kyle secor <fle...@webtv.net> wrote in message

> I stand behind my statement that if it's NOT Japanese it's crap. Period.

WebTV...., figures.

You know, there's a whole lot more Japanese products in Japan. Maybe you
should move there.

Greasy Rider

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Jun 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/29/99
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On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:05:02 GMT, "Boris" <pig...@NO-ONEShome.com>
wrote:

It's interesting that the fastest selling and most coveted motorcycle
in japan is the low tech Harley-Davidson.
Ride Safe!

Greasy Rider
1985 FLHS - "Hawg-1"
1997 FLHTCI - "American Express"

Aguyathome

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Jun 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/29/99
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>>
>It's interesting that the fastest selling and most coveted motorcycle
>in japan is the low tech Harley-Davidson.
>Ride Safe!
>
>Greasy Rider
>1985 FLHS - "Hawg-1"
>1997 FLHTCI - "American Express"
>
>
>
>
Damn it Greasy, there you go, tossing out logic again. Geez!

JD

Greasy Rider

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Jun 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/29/99
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On 29 Jun 1999 17:00:35 GMT, aguya...@aol.communista (Aguyathome)
wrote:

Pssssst! .... The Kawasaki design engineer and project manager for
their Nomad owns a 1996 Harley Road King. He is also a member of HOG.
Guess he wasn't impressed with all that japanese leading edge
technological planned obsolescence. Outside of poor range the bike is
almost identical to the RK. I am associated with a full line Kaw
dealer and we have to sell them at less than MSRP and just barely over
our cost. People had rather spend $16k for the real thing rather than
$10k for a copy.

doug jones

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In article <3778c61c...@news.rdu.bellsouth.net>,

greas...@bellsouth.net (Greasy Rider) wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:05:02 GMT, "Boris" <pig...@NO-ONEShome.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >kyle secor <fle...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> >> I stand behind my statement that if it's NOT Japanese it's crap.
Period.
> >
> >WebTV...., figures.
> >
> >You know, there's a whole lot more Japanese products in Japan. Maybe
you
> >should move there.
> >
> It's interesting that the fastest selling and most coveted motorcycle
> in japan is the low tech Harley-Davidson.
> Ride Safe!
>
> Greasy Rider
> 1985 FLHS - "Hawg-1"
> 1997 FLHTCI - "American Express"
>

World wide where ever a harley is parked it will draw a crowd. Everyone
likes the Harley and when they go up to one of the imitations and find
out what it is they usually say shit I thought it was a Harley not
some copy cat crap.


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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

Scott Burns

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Jun 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/29/99
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King86hp wrote:
> >
> >
> >>scott who gives a shit get a lift
> >
> >
> >Get a lift? Are you saying that a higher center of gravity would
> >improve my performance? I'm confused.... ; >
> >
> >Scott
> >
> >
> king writes
> well it would not hert


Quick (not), witty (not), no punctuation, incorrect spelling.... No
surprises here.

Scott

Arby

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Beer1340 <beer...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19990624085110...@ng-fw1.aol.com>...
> fleabe the tee-hee wrote.....>Q: Why is it that harley riders don't
wave to
> sportbike riders?
> >
> >A: Because they would drop their tools!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >Harleys Suck Big Cocks!!!
> >HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> >
> >Kyle
>
> Some of us just prefer not to wave to sportbike riders dressed in bright
> lime-green clothing with hot pink helmets that wouldn't know how to turn
a
> wrench even if they knew what a wrench looked like.SO
THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Everybody knows Jap bikes suck and anybody that wears pastel colored
clothing either rides one 'a them ass-in-the-air bikes or drives a golf
cart!


Arby
(Loyal Harley owner until Harley
started to copy the Japs.)


>

Dave

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Jun 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/30/99
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Scott Burns wrote:

He was actually attempting to tell you to get a "LIFE" Scott.

BTW, any idea what bikes rule year in and year out at Phoenix Bike week?

In case you don't know, Ducatis (Italy is no where near Japan) rule the
superbike class and a Buell came in ahead of a Yamaha this year.

In the Pro Thunder, Buell ran 1, 2 and 5 with 2 Ducatis in between.

It should also be mentioned that any bike can be made to run better or
faster by simply putting an experienced (and intelligent) rider on it. I
can run circles around my nephew on his own Honda 600 plastic bullet.
I'd be willing to wager that if you brought that lump of yours to
Phoenix, I could beat your time on the same track on the same day. Not
the bike as much as it is the rider. You know, "all things equal".

'nuff said


--
Remove A & T from return address to reply.


David C. Kuhlman
CMA Lifetime Member

Motorcycles, a way of life.

Jesus, the way to life, ...Eternal!

John 3:16
John 8:32
Romans 8:28
<IXOYE><

King86hp

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>ubject: Re: Yamaha R-1
>From: Scott Burns <sbu...@neta.com>
>Date: Tue, 29 June 1999 09:33 PM EDT
>Message-id: <37797406...@neta.com>

>
>King86hp wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>scott who gives a shit get a lift
>> >
>> >
>> >Get a lift? Are you saying that a higher center of gravity would
>> >improve my performance? I'm confused.... ; >
>> >
>> >Scott
>> >
>> >
>> king writes
>> well it would not hert
>
>
>Quick (not), witty (not), no punctuation, incorrect spelling.... No
>surprises here.
>
>Scott
>
>
>
>
>
>

yes i am all of that and so much more...who got the power i do

kyle secor

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So, no arguements about the Quality?

99' R-1

Kyle


Tinker

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Jun 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/30/99
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kyle secor wrote:
>
> I stand behind my statement that if it's NOT Japanese it's crap. Period.
>
> www.donandmike.com
>
> Kyle

Well I'll stand behind this statement - you are an opinionated troll
with no taste. Go play with your little friends and leave us alone.
I'll probably see you stuck into a telephone pole like a dart someday.

Good day.

jim

PS: Have a cold one on me (almost forgot my manners).

Waro

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Why the japs making Harley clones, hahahaha.


Greasy Rider wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:05:02 GMT, "Boris" <pig...@NO-ONEShome.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >kyle secor <fle...@webtv.net> wrote in message

> >> I stand behind my statement that if it's NOT Japanese it's crap. Period.
> >

Waro

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Jun 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/30/99
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Ya, they will be scraping him off the road...

Boz wrote:

> Smartelic children should be seen not heard. Go back to your cartoons
> before your mommy gets home.


>
> kyle secor <fle...@webtv.net> wrote in message

> news:26322-37...@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net...

H.D.NCK SMITTY

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HEY JACK;
WHEN I RIDE MY 99 DYNA SUPERGLIDE I ALWAYS TRY TO WAVE MY LEFTHAND TO
ALL BIKERS. I RESPECT ALL BIKERS WHO RIDE. BE COOL AND RIDE SAFE,
BROTHER.


Dave

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Jun 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/30/99
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>
>
> Now, as for you and I, yes, I am aware of the Superbike Class. Yes, I
> am also aware that Team Vance & Hines is well on their way to winning
> yet another championship. Please spare me the sports updates. As
> for the bit you said about better riders, if you would open your eyes
> long enough to read my post regarding the whole torque issue, I
> believe I mentioned that exact same thing in my last paragraph. Rider
> can make the difference every time.
>
> Now, on to the last point. I'm gonna be nice and forgive you. See, I
> have to believe that you just misread the posts, and got a little
> confused. You see, I take exception to you calling my Softail a
> lump. That's just really not nice. Beyond that, I have yet to make
> any claims about the horsepower/torque/performance of my bike. But
> today is your lucky day! It just so happens that I am in Phoenix. In
> fact, I live here! So, if you really want to get together to discuss
> performance, just let me know. ; >
>
> Scott

Aint calling a softail a lump, was referring to the Yamaha this thread has
been about.

So who's the guy claiming "if it aint jap, it's crap"?

That's who this was intended for.

Sorry if I ruffled your feathers just had to many of these discussions with
rice riders.

BTW, been riding in this convection oven lately? Burns your fingers don't it?
I live out in Fountain Hills and the bike went down a couple of weeks back.
Happened after coming across the Calif. desert at near 120 so I didn't miss
it much for a few days, kinda getting antsy now though.

Alan Gideon

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Douggie spouted

World wide where ever a harley is parked it will draw a crowd. Everyone
likes the Harley and when they go up to one of the imitations and find
out what it is they usually say shit I thought it was a Harley not some
copy cat crap.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
__

Are you partial to hardly Davidsons? I hear where this brand has been
adopted by Gay Easyriders. Is this true?...hmmmm do you read Easyriders?
I'll have to say from now on I will
look at a Harley from a different perspective.

<Alan>
__


wild bill

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Jun 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/30/99
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Hey, I live in Mesa and I would like to see this myself if it goes down


--
And help me to remember... When I'm having a really bad day,
And it seems that people are trying to piss me off,
That it takes 42 muscles to frown
And only 4 to extend my middle finger and tell them to bite me

92flstf


<sbu...@getnet.com> wrote in message news:377abacd...@news.neta.com...


> On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 04:38:01 -0700, Dave <wing...@inficad.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >He was actually attempting to tell you to get a "LIFE" Scott.
> >
> >BTW, any idea what bikes rule year in and year out at Phoenix Bike week?
> >
> >In case you don't know, Ducatis (Italy is no where near Japan) rule the
> >superbike class and a Buell came in ahead of a Yamaha this year.
> >
> >In the Pro Thunder, Buell ran 1, 2 and 5 with 2 Ducatis in between.
> >
> >It should also be mentioned that any bike can be made to run better or
> >faster by simply putting an experienced (and intelligent) rider on it. I
> >can run circles around my nephew on his own Honda 600 plastic bullet.
> >I'd be willing to wager that if you brought that lump of yours to
> >Phoenix, I could beat your time on the same track on the same day. Not
> >the bike as much as it is the rider. You know, "all things equal".
> >
> >'nuff said
> >
> >

> >--
> >Remove A & T from return address to reply.
> >
> >
> > David C. Kuhlman
> > CMA Lifetime Member
> >
> > Motorcycles, a way of life.
> >
> >Jesus, the way to life, ...Eternal!
> >
> > John 3:16
> > John 8:32
> > Romans 8:28
> > <IXOYE><
> >
> >
>

> How very interesting. All of this started when I told some guy on a
> Yamaha to fuck off, and that a tug-o-war would be much more
> interesting than a drag race. Someone, asked the logical question,
> "With the Yamaha making all of that horsepower, are you sure the
> Harley would win?" I replied why I was sure that Harley would win
> that little contest. Now, King86HP and I have had conversations in
> the past. He rambles, I listen in amusement. I ramble, he rarely
> listens. It's a fun sort of sport for me. Let me assure you that I
> fully understood what he was saying when he mistakenly told me to get
> a lift. But hey, thanks for the hint Sherlock.

Scott Burns

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Dave wrote:

> BTW, been riding in this convection oven lately? Burns your fingers don't it?
> I live out in Fountain Hills and the bike went down a couple of weeks back.
> Happened after coming across the Calif. desert at near 120 so I didn't miss
> it much for a few days, kinda getting antsy now though.
>
> --
>

> David C. Kuhlman
> CMA Lifetime Member
>

(Hanging my head in shame) I've been bein a pussy this week. I've been
taking my truck. Getting the itch though. I'm thinking about smearing
on some SPF 10000 and braving the commute from Mesa to downtown Phoenix
tomorrow. The thing that really sucks about it, is that it only gets
hotter from here. Really reminds me why I left behind the days when my
Sporty was my only mode of transportation....

Drop me a line sometime when you are heading in from Fountain Hills, and
we can grab a beer somewhere.

Scott
99 FXSTC

sbu...@getnet.com

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On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 04:38:01 -0700, Dave <wing...@inficad.com>
wrote:


>
>He was actually attempting to tell you to get a "LIFE" Scott.
>
>BTW, any idea what bikes rule year in and year out at Phoenix Bike week?
>
>In case you don't know, Ducatis (Italy is no where near Japan) rule the
>superbike class and a Buell came in ahead of a Yamaha this year.
>
>In the Pro Thunder, Buell ran 1, 2 and 5 with 2 Ducatis in between.
>
>It should also be mentioned that any bike can be made to run better or
>faster by simply putting an experienced (and intelligent) rider on it. I
>can run circles around my nephew on his own Honda 600 plastic bullet.
>I'd be willing to wager that if you brought that lump of yours to
>Phoenix, I could beat your time on the same track on the same day. Not
>the bike as much as it is the rider. You know, "all things equal".
>
>'nuff said
>
>
>--
>Remove A & T from return address to reply.
>
>

> David C. Kuhlman
> CMA Lifetime Member
>

King86hp

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>Subject: Re: Yamaha R-1
>From: sbu...@getnet.com
>Date: Wed, 30 June 1999 09:04 PM EDT
>Message-id: <377abacd...@news.neta.com>
scott you dont talk about the performance of you bike because you have
none....your on a stock bike with all of 58 hp pretty sad........so get a lift
and start doing some performance work on it...you have nothing to add when it
comes to performance lump is the correct word when talking about your dime a
dozen soft tail.....who got the power i do all 91 hp baby..........o scotty boy
and what kind of a name is scotty sounds a little funny .......same as girly
man.......

Boris

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King86hp wrote in message

> scott you dont talk about the performance of
>you bike because you have none....your on a
>stock bike with all of 58 hp pretty sad........
>so get a lift and start doing some performance
>work on it...you have nothing to add when it
> comes to performance lump is the correct
>word when talking about your dime a dozen
soft tail.....who got the power i do all 91 hp
>baby..........o scotty boy and what kind of a
>name is scotty sounds a little funny .......same
>as girly man.......

Corrected...

Scott, you shouldn't talk about the performance of your bike because you
have none. You're on a stock bike with all of 58 hp, pretty sad. So get a
lift and start doing some performance work on it. You have nothing to add
when it comes to performance. "Lump" is the correct word when talking about
your dime a dozen soft tail. Who's got the power? I do, all 91 hp Scotty boy
And what kind of a name is Scotty? Sounds a little funny. Same as "girly
man".

Translated...

I shouldn't ever talk about the way I speak or write. I'm on a stock 6th
grade level with a "D" average in English, pretty sad. I should get a lift
with some extra classes at the local community college. I have nothing to
add when it comes grammar. Dolt is the correct word when talking about my
"dime a dozen" education. Who's got the power? Not me. And what kind of name
is King, anyway? Sound a little conceited. Maybe I should change it, to
Dufus.

<G>
--
Boris
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kyle secor

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I don't give a shit bout nutin. My R-1 will clean your clocks........Yea
all of you harley ridin pizunks.

Yo Yo Yo "Asian Thug 4 life"
99-R-1
Kyle


sbu...@getnet.com

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On 01 Jul 1999 02:31:06 GMT, king...@aol.com (King86hp) wrote:

>scott you dont talk about the performance of you bike because you have

>none....your on a stock bike with all of 58 hp pretty sad........so get a lift


>and start doing some performance work on it...you have nothing to add when it
>comes to performance lump is the correct word when talking about your dime a
>dozen soft tail.....who got the power i do all 91 hp baby..........o scotty boy
> and what kind of a name is scotty sounds a little funny .......same as girly
>man.......


How quickly you forget, dickhead. My bike is not stock!!! I have put
in a Thunderslider and V&H Longshot pipes WITHOUT the baffles. There
is no way my bike makes 58hp. Those two modifications alone should
have brought it down to 28, maybe 32hp, MAX!!! Jeez! If you are
going to call me names, at least get your facts straight.

As for the name bit, you're going to have to look for another button
to push. That one didn't do it.....

Scott the *Boy it really scares the shit out of me when those golf
carts go flying by me that fast* Poser wanna-be


kyle secor

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Da softtail is a pile of crap.

King86hp

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>ubject: Re: Yamaha R-1
>From: sbu...@getnet.com
>Date: Thu, 01 July 1999 12:36 PM EDT
>Message-id: <377b967c...@news.neta.com>

scott all the mods you added to your bike your still at 58 hp but that dont
make you a bad guy .....just someone who has no idea how to make power

King86hp

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>ubject: Re: Yamaha R-1
>From: "Boris" <pig...@NO-ONEShome.com>
>Date: Wed, 30 June 1999 11:14 PM EDT
>Message-id: <L2Be3.25$7B4...@news.rdc1.wa.home.com>
>
>
>King86hp wrote in message

>> scott you dont talk about the performance of
>>you bike because you have none....your on a
>>stock bike with all of 58 hp pretty sad........
>>so get a lift and start doing some performance
>>work on it...you have nothing to add when it
>> comes to performance lump is the correct
>>word when talking about your dime a dozen
>soft tail.....who got the power i do all 91 hp
>>baby..........o scotty boy and what kind of a
>>name is scotty sounds a little funny .......same
>>as girly man.......
>
>Corrected...
>
>Scott, you shouldn't talk about the performance of your bike because you
>have none. You're on a stock bike with all of 58 hp, pretty sad. So get a
>lift and start doing some performance work on it. You have nothing to add
>when it comes to performance. "Lump" is the correct word when talking about
>your dime a dozen soft tail. Who's got the power? I do, all 91 hp Scotty boy
>And what kind of a name is Scotty? Sounds a little funny. Same as "girly
> man".
>
>Translated...
>
>I shouldn't ever talk about the way I speak or write. I'm on a stock 6th
>grade level with a "D" average in English, pretty sad. I should get a lift
>with some extra classes at the local community college. I have nothing to
>add when it comes grammar. Dolt is the correct word when talking about my
>"dime a dozen" education. Who's got the power? Not me. And what kind of name
>is King, anyway? Sound a little conceited. Maybe I should change it, to
>Dufus.
>
><G>
>--
>Boris
>Remove NO-ONES from pig...@NO-ONEShome.com to reply
>
>
>
wow you know me pretty good.. but all that dont make me a bad guy....i was
never into school.......i was always to busy into making money.....my back door
looks out over the ocean and the 90 thousand a year i make is realy burning a
hole in my pocket....so call me what you must but dont ever call me
broke....but i do agree my grammer sucks....my spelling sucks.....but who need
good grammer and spelling anyway....you might i dont

King86hp

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>ubject: Re: Yamaha R-1
>From: fle...@webtv.net (kyle secor)
>Date: Thu, 01 July 1999 02:24 AM EDT
>Message-id: <17693-377...@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

>
>I don't give a shit bout nutin. My R-1 will clean your clocks........Yea
>all of you harley ridin pizunks.
>
>Yo Yo Yo "Asian Thug 4 life"
>99-R-1
>Kyle
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

im told the R1 is called the torqueless wonder now why would that be

Boris

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King86hp wrote some straight shit in...

> wow you know me pretty good.. but all that
>dont make me a bad guy....i was never into

>school.......but i do


>agree my grammer sucks....my spelling sucks.....
>but who need good grammer and spelling anyway
>....you might i dont

King86hp, still blowing his own horn, wrote...

>i was always to busy into making
>money.....my back door looks out over the ocean
>and the 90 thousand a year i make is realy
>burning a hole in my pocket....so call me what
>you must but dont ever call me broke....

You know, if you stopped criticizing people who "just like to ride" and
aren't into making more ponies AND stopped trying to convince everyone that
your shit don't stink, you just might get a little more respect.

Try it, you might like it.

--
Boris

King86hp

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>ubject: Re: Yamaha R-1
>From: "Boris" <pig...@NOONES-home.com>
>Date: Thu, 01 July 1999 07:35 PM EDT
>Message-id: <377c...@news1.jps.net>

good point boris

Dave

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Scott Burns wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>
> > BTW, been riding in this convection oven lately? Burns your fingers don't it?
> > I live out in Fountain Hills and the bike went down a couple of weeks back.
> > Happened after coming across the Calif. desert at near 120 so I didn't miss
> > it much for a few days, kinda getting antsy now though.
> >
> > --
> >

> > David C. Kuhlman
> > CMA Lifetime Member
> >
>

> (Hanging my head in shame) I've been bein a pussy this week. I've been
> taking my truck. Getting the itch though. I'm thinking about smearing
> on some SPF 10000 and braving the commute from Mesa to downtown Phoenix
> tomorrow. The thing that really sucks about it, is that it only gets
> hotter from here. Really reminds me why I left behind the days when my
> Sporty was my only mode of transportation....
>
> Drop me a line sometime when you are heading in from Fountain Hills, and
> we can grab a beer somewhere.
>
> Scott
> 99 FXSTC

What part of town you work in? I gotta go clear over to 21st and Peoria. Used to
work down at AZ Center.

We'll get together sometime.

See Ya!

Scott Burns

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King86hp wrote:

> scott all the mods you added to your bike your still at 58 hp but that dont
> make you a bad guy .....just someone who has no idea how to make power

Sure I know how to make power! You just apply some level of work over a
period of time, that's power.... Not a problem. ; >

What I don't know how to do, is make lots of extra money. If I knew how
to do that, then I could build a bike that would make me the all-seeing,
all-knowing, master of all things Harley. Hell, then I could change my
signature to Nosepicker97.4652hp. I could spend all day offering up
bits of wisdom like, "That cam sucks. You are an idiot for getting
it." What proof, substance, or reasoning would I have for saying
this??? Proof?!?!? I don't need no stinkin proof. I have a bike that
makes 97.4652hp. That is all the proof I need!

Listen carefully, dipstick. You MAY know a thing or two about bikes.
You MAY know a thing or two about performance. Hell, I'm humble enough
to say that it MAY be possible that you know more than I do. I do know
one thing though....When you come in here spouting your crap in the
manner that you do, all you're doing is wasting bandwidth. 99% of the
time, you are a twit.

Oh yeah, by the way, only an idiot would assume that because my bike is
not performance modified, that I don't know how to do it.

Scott
99 FXSTC (Now named 'Lump')

Max Perez

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In article <377683BB...@bigfoot.com>,
pseudocode <pseud...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>
>Tom Price wrote:
>
>> Motorjournalists love two cylinder Buells. I know of four magazines that
>> have Buells as long term rides. The fact that their Buells are the first
>> bikes checked out for weekend blasts are well documented in their respective
>> magazines.
>>[..]
>
>I don't disagree that Buells are fun to ride. As I said in my previous post,
>they handle superbly. But they don't match the Jap bikes overall. In that I
>include performance as well as reliability an value for the money. Cycle World
>took a Buell cross country a few months back and had a number of problems
>including broken motor mounts. This after only 5000 miles. I'm not ready to
>fork over big bucks for something I can't rely on for 40,000+ miles. I ride too
>much and too often to have to worry about problems after 5000 miles.

gotta agree with that. i know two buell riders, and both bikes have been
a nightmare wrt reliability and workmaship. one was so bad the owner was
able to get buell (harley?) to replace it entirely! he was pretty stoked,
untill the new one burnt up its wiring harness on its first day.

i think its great that buell is out there making a unique product and all,
but i wouldnt buy one.

if i really wanted what the buell had to offer, i would prob buy one of
the new bmws, or the suzook tl1000.

heck, maybe with the money left over, id go buy a little dp bike as well.

-max
"yeah, i ride everyday"

Max Perez

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In article <377683BB...@bigfoot.com>,
pseudocode <pseud...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>
>Tom Price wrote:
>
>> Motorjournalists love two cylinder Buells. I know of four magazines that
>> have Buells as long term rides. The fact that their Buells are the first
>> bikes checked out for weekend blasts are well documented in their respective
>> magazines.
>>
>> Here is a quote from motorcycle online.
>>
>> "After 20,000 miles, we're every bit as intoxicated by the big, blue
>> Thunderbolt as we were the day we first picked it up. That heavy-flywheeled
>> Harley engine searching out every bit of available traction exiting corners
>> still floats our boat. We'll never give it back."

wow, thats amasing. i test rode one the buells (i forget which one, it had
no faring tho) and thought it was sorta underpowered. it had some kick
at around 4500rpm, but then petered out at 6k. the torque was ok, but ive
felt more oomph (say torque+hp) from a tl1000, which handles better to
boot.

>> Riceburners lose Americans long term again and again. Americans want torque.
>> Even American sportbike riders want torque. Buells deliver and Americans
>> build them in East Troy! (Waving U.S Flag in background!)
>> http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbuell/s2_longterm.html Here is the link to
>> confirm.

i dunno about that. i havent met too many (ok, none) folx who have
gotten rid of their euro and asian bikes for hd. it could be the
terrain here in nocal, as cornering clearance is pretty important, and
we dont have a long winter to rebuild the engines.

im trying not to dis hd, as i think they are fun to ride, but i just
wasnt that impressed by the preformance of the buell.

of course, im no moto-journalist, im just a guy who rides everyday, and
when i buy a bike, the money comes out of my own pocket. makes me
picky and all.


Sum Ting Wong

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For all you people who still do not understand, I GOTS ME 150
horses!!!!!!!!!! I willclean your clocks!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can do 170
mph......

Yo Yo Yo "Asian Thug 4 life"
99-R-1

Sum


Bruce Lee

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Group: alt.motorcycles.harley Date: Fri, Jul 2, 1999, 2:24am (CDT+1)
From: fle...@webtv.net (Sum Ting Wong) Re: Yamaha R-1
.....................................................................
....................................................................

"Rot's of Ruck"

One Hung Low "Ruptured Duck"
YZF600
Bruce Lee
...............


Wikd...@webtv.net

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fle...@webtv.net (kyle secor) fleabrain said Re: Yamaha R-1
My 99' R-1 kicks major butt and I don't care who knows it. Roll with
that on your Harley and see how you feel. Harleys are poor bikes and dat
is a fact.
99 R-1 (Yamaha) Thats for the one track mind of a typcial Harley rider
who knows nothing bout anything else.
Kyle

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######################################

Harleys aren't poor bikes, just grossly overpriced for what your
getting. But hey, we keep paying, they keep selling. Like PT Barnum said
"theirs a sucker born every minute". BTW, kyle wouldn't know a bike if
it stuck its wheel up his ass, the 99 R-1 stands for Retard class of 99,
kyle being the head of his class.


Wikd...@webtv.net

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hogr...@my-deja.com (doug jones) said
There is more to riding a motorcycle than just seeing how fast you can
get from point A to point B, when you grow up you will learn that.

############################################################################

Yes Master there is, like paying twice what its worth for your bike.
BTW, does it bother your wife when you call her a hog?


Wikd...@webtv.net

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jh...@straw.net (Jack Hover) Re: Yamaha R-1 said

jackstraw wrote:
The R-1 makes no where near 130 hp at the rear tire. I 'm not to sure,
but I think it's around 90. Btw, I owned one up until December of last
year. Great acceleration, great handling...still a piece of shit. I only
put 1000 miles on it. So fucking uncomfortable to ride. It also just
gets boring after awhile. I love my hopped up Sporty, not as fast, but
much more fun to ride.

The Yamaha YZF R1 of 1999 has around 150 Hps on the crank and 134 Bhps
on the rear wheel. And it weighs 390 ponds. I realize it´s hard to
beleive for a Harley rider but this is true. This is what happens when
you *develop* an engine and do not stick to an old engine construction
from the 30´s. Certainly a straight four like the R1 has advantages
over any two cylinder engine, but Suzuki for instance pull 128 Bhp´s
out of their Ducati inspired vtwin TL 1000R. So it can be done if you
just let technology and science gain way over old ideas and image.
/Jack

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######################################
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Jack, adding technology to a harley would be like pissing on a
plant......poison. If harleys performed as good as they cost, they
wouldn't be worth the money, they'd be like every other bike....fast. So
instead you buy it for twice the price and make it perform yourself.
Makes perfect sense when you think about it......perfect for
harley-davidson.


joseph spitaletto

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Hostile because pricks like you think you're cute trying to fit
that Honda Rebel image in a group where we like our bikes. Reep what
you sew, dumbass. I have no misconceptions about my '71 Sportster as I
clearly stated in my earlier letter. How many 70's jap bikes do you see
puttin' around. Not too many. This family also has a '57 Chevy, all
original motor and trans and it purrrrs. Learn some maintenance and
maybe your jap stuff will run for 30-40 years. Put that on your next
pole and smoke it. Or maybe Yamaha had a different application in mind
when they designed that seat.
Happy Trails,
Mike
PS- Sorry if I offended anyone else with my last letter. Live and let
live, but not when you opened this can of worms. Besides, to me it's
entertainment.


joseph spitaletto

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And Kyle, when the hell did I say Harley's are the best because I
like them. Be specific as to who said what.
Mike


Wikd...@webtv.net

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wing...@inficad.com (Dave Kuhlman) said

Harleys are fun because you can make 'em your own with all of the
goodies out there as well as fabricating some of your own. Jap bikes are
just like new houses, cookie cutter made just go to any dealer and tell
me what you see, another new development with 6 or 7 models available in
a handful of colors. There are more accessories for the riders than
there are for the bikes (course, some posers are getting pretty close
;-). Soapbox mode off (click)

############################################################################

I'd rather pay ten g's for a bike ready to perform off the showroom
floor than 20 for a kit-bike. I guess its all in how much money you want
to piss awa......I mean invest in your machine.


Greasy Rider

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On Fri, 2 Jul 1999 02:24:26 -0400 (EDT), fle...@webtv.net (Sum Ting
Wong) wrote:

>For all you people who still do not understand, I GOTS ME 150
>horses!!!!!!!!!! I willclean your clocks!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can do 170
>mph......
>
>Yo Yo Yo "Asian Thug 4 life"
>99-R-1
>Sum

Who gives a shit?
Ride Safe!

Greasy Rider
1985 FLHS - "Hawg-1"
1997 FLHTCI - "American Express"
http://sites.netscape.net/bill27612/index.htm

Wikd...@webtv.net

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wing...@inficad.com> wrote mainly an add for Jesus

David C. Kuhlman
      CMA Lifetime Member
      Motorcycles, a way of life.
Jesus, the way to life, ...Eternal!
        John 3:16
    John 8:32
    Romans 8:28
    <IXOYE><
How very interesting. All of this started when I told some guy on a
Yamaha to fuck off, and that a tug-o-war would be much more interesting
than a drag race. Someone, asked the logical question, "With the Yamaha
making all of that horsepower, are you sure the Harley would win?"   I
replied why I was sure that Harley would win that little contest. Now,
King86HP and I have had conversations in the past. He rambles, I listen
in amusement. I ramble, he rarely listens. It's a fun sort of sport for
me. Let me assure you that I fully understood what he was saying when he
mistakenly told me to get a lift. But hey, thanks for the hint Sherlock.
Now, as for you and I, yes, I am aware of the Superbike Class. Yes, I am
also aware that Team Vance & Hines is well on their way to winning yet
another championship. Please spare me the sports updates.   As for the
bit you said about better riders, if you would open your eyes long
enough to read my post regarding the whole torque issue, I believe I
mentioned that exact same thing in my last paragraph. Rider can make the
difference every time. Now, on to the last point. I'm gonna be nice and
forgive you. See, I have to believe that you just misread the posts, and
got a little confused. You see, I take exception to you calling my
Softail a lump. That's just really not nice. Beyond that, I have yet to
make any claims about the horsepower/torque/performance of my bike. But
today is your lucky day! It just so happens that I am in Phoenix. In
fact, I live here! So, if you really want to get together to discuss
performance, just let me know. ; >
Scott

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Watch out Scott, he may try to convert you.....or invert ya', who knows?


Wikd...@webtv.net

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king...@aol.com (King86hp) wrote? (and I do use the term loosely)

scott you dont talk about the performance of you bike because you have

none....your on a stock bike with all of 58 hp pretty sad........so get


a lift and start doing some performance work on it...you have nothing to
add when it comes to performance lump is the correct word when talking
about your dime a dozen soft tail.....who got the power i do all 91 hp
baby..........o scotty boy   and what kind of a name is scotty
sounds a little funny .......same as girly
man.......

############################################################################

Hey Forrest Gump, the only lump in this conversation is the one between
your ears. Go back to playing with your box of chocolates.


Wikd...@webtv.net

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king...@aol.com (King86hp) said Re: Yamaha R-1
scott who gives a shit get a lift

############################################################################

Get a what? Did you say something? What was that? Btw, a king with 86
horsepower? Now thats something to brag about (LOL). In my neck of the
woods you wouldn't even be a court jester.


Wikd...@webtv.net

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 Chopper Mike said in his most educated manner
In short, your bike is Japanese, this is America, people like America,
people love Harley-Davidson. Go fuck yourself, clown.
Sincerely,  Chopper Mike

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How refreshing, a non-bigoted harley rider with an open mind.....and
here I was thinking most harley riders were ignorant prejudiced
long-hairs straight out of Deliverance.


                              


Wikd...@webtv.net

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king...@aol.com (King86hp) tries to type what ???

king writes
well it would not hert

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King writes.........barely


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pig...@NO-ONEShome.com (Boris) stated Re: Yamaha R-1
kyle secor <fle...@webtv.net> wrote in message
I stand behind my statement that if it's NOT Japanese it's crap. Period.

You know, there's a whole lot more Japanese products in Japan. Maybe you
should move there.

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Why? Japan (and their products) have pretty much moved here.


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