Honda ST1100 versus Kawasaki Concours
Kevin & Joni Hoskins
reading various enthusiast magazines in an effort to research what is
available and how things have changed. I have started looking at the
Japanese, British, and German offerings. I think that the motorcycle I want
is a "sport touring" machine, like the Honda ST1100 or Kawasaki Concours.
Given these two choices, what are the differences between these two
motorcycles? They both have shaft drive. Both have a fairing and bags. Both
are designed for two up touring without the bulk and weight of a full
touring bike. What does the Honda bring to the party that justifies its
$11799 suggested retail price versus the Kawasakiąs $7999 price? Is it 50%
better than the Kawasaki? Does it have 50% more horsepower and/or torque?
(I know that the Honda is fuel injected and has approximately 100cc more
displacement. But do these differences justify a $3800 price difference?
Besides, the Kawasaki is about 40lbs. lighter.)
I would sure like to hear from owners of both motorcycles, giving examples
of what you like and dislike about either bike.
I would also like to here your thoughts concerning the best Kawasaki and
Yamaha dealer(s) in the San Francisco bay area and Monterey-Santa
Cruz-Salinas areas. Besides the best price criteria, a place that has
consistently the best service is, in the long term, more important. And, I
must be able to take an extended test ride like those offered by Honda of
Milpitas before I make my final choice. (If I decide to purchase a Honda, I
am ~99% sure that the Milpitas store is where I'll shop.)
What other motorcycles in the sport touring class (or can be accessorized
for that class) should be considered?
Email or follow-up replies equally appriciated.
(Engage day-dream mode and thousand mile stare: Maybe what I need are two
motorcycles.... ...a full touring machine (Gold Wing/Voyager
XII/LT1200/Venture) for the truely long rides with great comfort for my
wife and a sport mount like a CBR600F4/YZF-R6 or VFR800F1/ZX-7R or even a
CBR1100XX/YZF-R1....
Kevin
Ross Slade
Kevin & Joni Hoskins wrote:
>
> is a "sport touring" machine, like the Honda ST1100 or Kawasaki Concours.
>
> Given these two choices, what are the differences between these two
> motorcycles? They both have shaft drive. Both have a fairing and bags. Both
> are designed for two up touring without the bulk and weight of a full
> touring bike. What does the Honda bring to the party that justifies its
> $11799 suggested retail price versus the Kawasakiąs $7999 price? Is it 50%
> better than the Kawasaki? Does it have 50% more horsepower and/or torque?
> (I know that the Honda is fuel injected and has approximately 100cc more
The Honda is not fuel injected, but does come with ABS brakes and a traction
control system, and although it's heavier the Honda carries it's weight much
lower that the Kawasaki and so will feel lighter at low speeds.
They're both very good bikes, but I prefer the ST1100 (I have a '95 model).
-Ross
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Mick McHam
and these posts are no longer on my server so I assume that they are not on
yours either. In addition to the posts, I also received a couple of emails
on the subject. I saved all my replies so I'll try to send them to you in an
attached file.
Kevin & Joni Hoskins wrote in message ...
>I am returning to motorcycling after a seventeen-year hiatus. I have begun
>reading various enthusiast magazines in an effort to research what is
>available and how things have changed. I have started looking at the
>Japanese, British, and German offerings. I think that the motorcycle I want
>is a "sport touring" machine, like the Honda ST1100 or Kawasaki Concours.
... etc.
Dan Vitous
I have a 99 Connie.... no complaints!
DV
Kevin & Joni Hoskins <kevn...@garlic.com> wrote in message
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> I am returning to motorcycling after a seventeen-year hiatus. I have begun
> reading various enthusiast magazines in an effort to research what is
> available and how things have changed. I have started looking at the
> Japanese, British, and German offerings. I think that the motorcycle I
want
> is a "sport touring" machine, like the Honda ST1100 or Kawasaki Concours.
>
> Given these two choices, what are the differences between these two
> motorcycles? They both have shaft drive. Both have a fairing and bags.
Both
> are designed for two up touring without the bulk and weight of a full
> touring bike. What does the Honda bring to the party that justifies its
> $11799 suggested retail price versus the Kawasakiąs $7999 price? Is it 50%
> better than the Kawasaki? Does it have 50% more horsepower and/or torque?
> (I know that the Honda is fuel injected and has approximately 100cc more
Dave Emerson
Mick McHam wrote in message <7m9ucl$2vf4$1...@news.hal-pc.org>...
>Kevin, I just recently posted this very question in this NG. I just checked
>and these posts are no longer on my server so I assume that they are not on
>yours either. In addition to the posts, I also received a couple of emails
>on the subject. I saved all my replies so I'll try to send them to you in
an
>attached file.
>
>Kevin & Joni Hoskins wrote in message ...
>>reading various enthusiast magazines in an effort to research what is
>>available and how things have changed. I have started looking at the
>>Japanese, British, and German offerings. I think that the motorcycle I
want
>>is a "sport touring" machine, like the Honda ST1100 or Kawasaki Concours.
The best way to find news items which have aged-out of your local server, or
when you what to find items which may contain certain words, is to search on
DejaNews (now simply called Deja).
For example, Mick's question and follow-ups can be found at
http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/viewthread.xp?AN=496772339
which is the result of a search.
BTW I would not call either of these bikes "Sports Tourers". That title
relates to bikes such as the VFR750/800 and GPz1100.
The ST1100 and Concours are just "Tourers"
--
Dave Emerson
Motorcycle Maintenance Workshop - UK
http://freespace.virgin.net/david.emerson/faq.htm
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haredoktor
For long distance tours, smooth is very important, & smooth the Connie
isnt! It'll numb your hands in the first hour. Of these two the ST is the
class act.
I did the same research last spring & liked the ST, but bought a Triumph
Trophy 1200 & have no regrets. It is lighter, handles very well, has bags
of low end torque and will easilly ourrun the ST. Triple-digit cruising is
not a problem. Give the Triumphs a look before you buy.
Good luck,
Rick
Kevin & Joni Hoskins wrote in message ...
>I am returning to motorcycling after a seventeen-year hiatus. I have begun
>reading various enthusiast magazines in an effort to research what is
>available and how things have changed. I have started looking at the
>Japanese, British, and German offerings. I think that the motorcycle I want
>is a "sport touring" machine, like the Honda ST1100 or Kawasaki Concours.
>
Gary H. Merrill
Kevin & Joni Hoskins wrote:
>
> I am returning to motorcycling after a seventeen-year hiatus.
I did that myself about six years ago now. Things had changed a *lot*
since '65 and the 2-cycle Yamaha twin I had been riding.
> I have begun
> reading various enthusiast magazines in an effort to research what is
> available and how things have changed. I have started looking at the
> Japanese, British, and German offerings. I think that the motorcycle I want
> is a "sport touring" machine, like the Honda ST1100 or Kawasaki Concours.
Oops!! Hold it right there. The Concours is not a "sport touring"
machine. It is a touring machine. The ST1100 counts as sport touring
but leaning more towards the touring side. I am currently using a
VTR-1000 as a sport touring machine. (Waits for laughter to subside
...) It leans quite a bit towards the "sport" side. Not a terribly
good choice for touring. I'll probably get a BMW (GS or an older R-bike
of some sort) for my touring jaunts. My wife is using an SV-650 as a
touring bike and for her it is really great. It's a bit small for me in
that role.
One bike you definitely ought to look at is the Suzuki Bandit 1200.
This is quite a wonderful bike, great engine, torque all across the
range. Not exactly hard-core sport or hard-core touring, but more of a
kind of oversize "standard". And *really* inexpensive (< $8,000?).
A few years ago I had a '95 Kawi GPz 1100 which was a *great* sport
tourer (leaning a bit towards sport). If you can find one used it would
be a good choice as well.
Keep in mind that you can put hard luggage on almost any bike nowadays.
I've had hard luggage on both the GPz and a ZX-6E that was a good little
sport tourer (but a bit small). So don't let the fact that a particular
bike comes with luggage sway you too much.
To be honest, if I were to buy a 4-cyl bike today for sport touring, it
would be the Bandit. And then I'd probably put Givi luggage and a
ScotOiler (there's one on my VTR) on it. But since I got the VTR, I've
become committed to twins only.
-- Gary Merrill
Damien
Kevin & Joni Hoskins wrote:
> I am returning to motorcycling after a seventeen-year hiatus. I have begun
> reading various enthusiast magazines in an effort to research what is
> available and how things have changed. I have started looking at the
> Japanese, British, and German offerings. I think that the motorcycle I want
> is a "sport touring" machine, like the Honda ST1100 or Kawasaki Concours.
>
> Given these two choices, what are the differences between these two
> motorcycles?
check out http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/ltourers.html
this adds the BMW r1100rt in there as well.
from looking at the same models for my second bike the kawasaki has the same
features for a much lower price than the honda. which of course is much lower
than the bmw.
the ST is very heavy and if you're not tall the bike can be a bit much at
parking lot speeds. i'm 6' and have to pay a lot of attention under 15 mph.
over that it just gets light and better. it's also very stable in crosswinds.
that comes in handy on the freeway.
the kawasaki looks a little different and the engine is buzzier but that's the
only problem they are known for. they use a more sport-oriented engine so it's
also the fastest of the two.
i wouldn't eliminate the sport side of things on these bikes. but they are more
on the side of touring than sport riding like a VFR or ST4 ducati etc. they
still get up and move.
i'm buying an ST from a friend. riding from san jose CA to vancouver BC and
back the second half of this month.
also check out the kelly blue book site at http://www.kbb.com and
http://www.traderonline.com and see what the market is bringing on those bikes.
ride safe!
damien g
san jose CA
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buying the Connie.I was very happy with the bike.It did everything I wanted
and more.
Vince Lamarche
>
>Kevin & Joni Hoskins wrote in message ...
the
>>Japanese, British, and German offerings. I think that the motorcycle I
want
>>is a "sport touring" machine, like the Honda ST1100 or Kawasaki Concours.
>
>... etc.
>
>
Dave
I've been comparing these two as well, eyeing that September purchase. My
$0.02:
The Concours is cheaper, a little more nimble and probably more SPORT than
TOUR. I've test ridden three (1 new, 2 used) and came away with basically
the same impression on all three. "This is nice, but..." I'm 6', 200+ and
just couldn't fit well on the Connie. The pegs/bars thing was all out of
whack for me. More over, the Connie buzzes like a table saw at comfortable
cruising speeds. My hands were tingly in 35 minutes on the new and less
than 1 hour on the used. Nice power, though, and nimble as a jack rabbit.
Two up wasn't bad, but my wife wasn't exactly comfortable, either. The
owners of the 2 used Connies had minor maintenance gripes that worried me.
Also, if you set the Connie down, you're in for some expense.
The ST is heavier, but feels more, well, put together. Definitely more TOUR
than SPORT. The riding position was great for me. It doesn't pull quite as
hard from a stop but is smoother than you can imagine in the mid-range up.
I've ridden a new and a used. The ST can be a bit of a handful if you're
creeping along or turning at VERY low speeds, but it was an absolute JOY to
ride. I made 2 hours on the ST and felt nary a cramp, tingle or buzz. The
gas tank has true 300mi range (7+ gallons!). I even made a morning commute
with one. VERY comfortable. All that I've ready from the ST owners
indicates it's bulletproof, maintenance wise. And if you lay it over soft,
those little winglets on the fairing spare you big dollars (plus the mirror
housings pop off!)
If money is the deciding factor then, yeah, there's a big difference between
$8K and $11K. If not, I'd go (and will go) with the ST. In fact, if
money's the factor, pick up a 97 ST for Concours money. Best of both
worlds.
Again, just my $0.02.
Dave
cbybee
will tear either of these bikes up, fantastic motor, great breaks,
handles very well, very stable, good after market access available,
I recommend the Genmar risers and foam grips. Not as much faring as
these other bikes, but I like the "feel" of still being on a motorcycle
and fairings bother me in this area. My brother has a Connie, nice bike,
great
price, but we don't even switch bikes on rides, its just not in the same
league
with my Z. Now if they put my motor on a Connie with more up to dated
styling
on the bike and esp. the bags (ugly!), then they might have something. My
dad's
got an st1100, nice bike, overpriced and as is typical with Honda's of this
ilk (and I like Hondas quite a bit), it has no "soul". All of the above is
of course
just my opinion, ride em all, buy what you like.
Kevin & Joni Hoskins <kevn...@garlic.com> wrote in message
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> I am returning to motorcycling after a seventeen-year hiatus. I have begun
> reading various enthusiast magazines in an effort to research what is
> available and how things have changed. I have started looking at the
> Japanese, British, and German offerings. I think that the motorcycle I
want
> is a "sport touring" machine, like the Honda ST1100 or Kawasaki Concours.
>
> Given these two choices, what are the differences between these two
Mick McHam
>relates to bikes such as the VFR750/800 and GPz1100.
I am not at all familiar witht he GPz1100. What is it called and who makes
it?
mmyt...@my-deja.com
> Oops!! Hold it right there. The Concours is not a "sport touring"
Yawn... I guess some motorcyclists and the motorcycle press have to
perpetuate some battles, and the question of classification is as good
as any.
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If you can afford either and you fit on either (Over 6' the ST seems
smaller than the ZG for some) and color is not a consideration and you
realize that the great GPZ1100 people have mentioned is no longer made
and hard as hell to find, then I'd buy the ST at Honda of Milpitas. In
the long run, the dealer is going to make your life very good or very
miserable. The Kawi dealers in the bay area suck (maintenance and
parts service-wise), whereas Honda of Milpitas gets very good marks for
service.
Jason O'Rourke
>>I am not at all familiar witht he GPz1100. What is it called and who makes
>>it?
>decendant of the KZ bikes (or Z bikes for those of you across the way).
more recently, it is a friendlier version of the ZX11, formerly the speed
champ of the production speed bikes. (Possibly retaking the crown soon
with the zx12?)
--
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'96 BMW r850R
last dive: July 9th, Whaler's Cove, Pt Lobos. 45 mins at 57ft max
Voyager
personal review of the ST at this URL:
ftp://ftp.cecm.sfu.ca/pub/RMR/Honda/ST1100-91
And the same of the Concourse at:
ftp://ftp.cecm.sfu.ca/pub/RMR/Kawasaki/.
Personally, I found the Honda slightly heavy when just sitting on it. The
minute your let the clutch out, most of that goes away, especially with a
full tank! Speed is really deceptive because the engine rpm just never
seems to get very high. I bought my bike used and rode 450+ miles home from
where I bought it. I didn't make it far the first day, because I had
purchased it in the early evening. The next day I rode the remaining 326
miles from Chehalis Wash to Brookings OR with ease and relative comfort. On
the way home I hit a torrential downpour (nothing unusaul there) in Portland
which followed me to Salem. Although I wasn't dry, only my lower back and
torso were wet! Ikept the speedo within the 70's most of the way, until I
hit the twisties :-), then I had to slow-down due to traffic.
When I reached Brookings it was 2:30 pm. I had left Chehalis at 8:30 that
morning! My brother has a 93 Mustang GT and he works it. When he arrived
home later that day, (he'd taken a side trip toward the end) he asked me why
I was going so fast. I told him I didn't thinktravelling in the 70's was
fast. He said that the majority of the trip he was making late 80's to 90's
keeping my pace! Turns out my speedo was slightly off! The bike handled so
well and stable I couldn't even tell. There had been very sparce traffic to
gage by, besides in OR there are a lot of folks who really do drive under
the speed limit.
Anyway, my take on the ST is that it's long and heavy if you let it be.
Otherwise, very stable, smooth, comfortable and fast (not quick, fast). I
sold mine when my daughter was due, for more than I paid for it, and on the
2nd ad response! That's gotta say something about them.
my 2 cents
Bill
Robert Kennedy
haredoktor <wesc...@SpiritOne.com> wrote:
> For long distance tours, smooth is very important, & smooth the Connie
> isnt! It'll numb your hands in the first hour.
Bullshit. If a Concours does that, there's something wrong with it
(balance shaft probably out of adjustment). My Concours doesn't do
that.
-- Robert Kennedy
cbybee
1996, but there are still easy to find in boxes and showroom floors. It took
me
a grand total of 2 phone calls to find one.
<mmyt...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7mddfb$rcv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
cbybee
but I have to say that everybody I know who has a Concours (4 to be exact),
including my brother report this same problem. Gen mar risers , foam grips,
heavier end weights, will help those in need, but with the motor being a
rigid structural member of the frame
some vibration was bound to get through.
Robert Kennedy <rob...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> wrote in message
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Dan Nitschke
>
> from looking at the same models for my second bike the kawasaki has the same
> features for a much lower price than the honda. which of course is much lower
> than the bmw.
1999 ST1100 ABSII: $14299 MSRP
1999 BMW R1100RT: $15900 MSRP
I don't know if I'd call that "much" lower, given the cost
of these bikes.
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Couch, Bud
>
> BTW I would not call either of these bikes "Sports Tourers". That title
> relates to bikes such as the VFR750/800 and GPz1100.
>
>
distance riding on Interstates" is a bit of a mouthful, to what class,
exactly, then, would you assign the Gold Wing, Harley FX(alphabet soup),
etc?
And if you think that they fit in the same class as the ST and Connie,
I'd like you to pick either and keep up with last years WESTOC
contingent
on CO 114.
Or, conversly, you could pack your gear and your SO on the back of the
Viffer and done the 7K, 3 week tour that my wife and I did that included
the above leg. You'd probably have been way ahead, not only because the
bike
is "sportier", but because your SO would have bailed 5K miles before.
There's a market called Sport, another called Touring and another called
Sport-Touring. The Duc ST-2/4 is a SPORT-tourer, and the ST1100 is a
sport-TOURER, but they still fit in a specific market segment.
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Dan Nitschke
>
> Given that "Large ungainly motorcycles optimized for two-up long
> distance riding on Interstates" is a bit of a mouthful, to what class,
> exactly, then, would you assign the Gold Wing, Harley FX(alphabet soup),
> etc?
Point of order: the Harley (tm) tourers are not the
FX-series Big Twins (tm). The tourers are the FLH
bikes.
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L. Karney
seat is comfortable, gas milage is good, and I think that the bike just
looks good. My only two complaints are 1) that it seems to go through rear
tires at a fairly fast pace and 2) theres a whoooole lot o' plastic you
need to remove to service the bike. Otherwise, its a great ride. I'd buy
another.
--
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Damien
Dan Nitschke wrote:
> Damien wrote:
> >
> > from looking at the same models for my second bike the kawasaki has the same
> > features for a much lower price than the honda. which of course is much lower
> > than the bmw.
>
> 1999 ST1100 ABSII: $14299 MSRP
> 1999 BMW R1100RT: $15900 MSRP
>
> I don't know if I'd call that "much" lower, given the cost
> of these bikes.
> --
>
> /* dan: The Anti-Ged -- Scary Git, IY (tm) #1, YJP #1, LCDB (tm) #1 */
good point. guess i was referring to the used market. i'm buying one for under 7 so
it's good to me ;)
damien g
san jose CA
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Damien
mmyt...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> If you can afford either and you fit on either (Over 6' the ST seems
> smaller than the ZG for some) and color is not a consideration and you
> realize that the great GPZ1100 people have mentioned is no longer made
> and hard as hell to find, then I'd buy the ST at Honda of Milpitas. In
> the long run, the dealer is going to make your life very good or very
> miserable. The Kawi dealers in the bay area suck (maintenance and
> parts service-wise), whereas Honda of Milpitas gets very good marks for
> service.
>
> -X
hear hear! my shadow was from there (got her used) and they have been
really good with service. a lot of clubmembers don't like dealers but this
one hasn't been any problem. and no i don't work for them...
Jamin Kortegard
great. The only problem I've ever had was body damage resulting from a
high-speed 'possum collision. The bike was rock steady when that happened
though. It didn't even wobble.
Mostly I'm commuting in downtown Seattle traffic (30+ miles/gallon), but
I've also taken a couple trips to Utah and back with the wife on the back
and bags full of gear (42+ miles/gallon). The ST does great on all counts.
Plenty of acceleration even with a full load, great brakes and excellent
maneuverability for a bike its size.
It *is* heavy, but the weight only becomes a potential problem if you're
doing tight maneuvering at parking lot speeds. Over 10mph its great. And
it's solid into triple digits, if that's your thing.
I'd definitely buy another one, but I think the one I have will be around
for many years to come.
--
Jamin Kortegard
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Couch, Bud
>
> Couch, Bud wrote:
> >
> > Given that "Large ungainly motorcycles optimized for two-up long
> > distance riding on Interstates" is a bit of a mouthful, to what class,
> > exactly, then, would you assign the Gold Wing, Harley FX(alphabet soup),
> > etc?
>
> Point of order: the Harley (tm) tourers are not the
> FX-series Big Twins (tm). The tourers are the FLH
> bikes.
> --
>
of a
Harley-phobe than -phile, I make no attempt to keep up with model
designations.
I guess the engineer/geek in me resents selling mystique more than
machinery.
--
Bud Couch - ADC Kentrox |When correctly viewed, everything is
lewd.|
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Lehrer |
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-EEOC |
|insert legalistic bs disclaimer here |
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: Dan Nitschke wrote:
: > 1999 ST1100 ABSII: $14299 MSRP
: > 1999 BMW R1100RT: $15900 MSRP
Damien (ridd...@mindspring.com) wrote:
: good point. guess i was referring to the used market. i'm buying one
: for under 7 so it's good to me ;)
Well, I'm quite surprised to find, according to
http://www.kellybluebook.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.tp?kbb&;rc&17&zrc;Motorcycles
1995 BMW R1100RT Suggested Retail Value $6820
1995 Honda ST1100 Suggested Retail Value $8645
I wonder whatsamatta with the 95 R11 pricing. That's the first year.
But, according to Kelly, if you think the two bikes are comparable...
1995 BMW R1100RS Suggested Retail Value $9585
is more what I expected. Maybe Kelly isn't feeling well today.
The RS is more "sport" verses "tour" than the RT, but I doubt if there is
much difference to the non-Gold Wing crowd.
--
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Clarence A Dold - do...@network.rahul.net
- Pope Valley & Napa CA.
Jason O'Rourke
>Well, I'm quite surprised to find, according to
>http://www.kellybluebook.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.tp?kbb&;rc&17&zrc;Motorcycles
>
>1995 BMW R1100RT Suggested Retail Value $6820
>1995 Honda ST1100 Suggested Retail Value $8645
>
>I wonder whatsamatta with the 95 R11 pricing. That's the first year.
>is more what I expected. Maybe Kelly isn't feeling well today.
The new RT didn't come out for one or two model years after the '95. I
wonder if this is an error and is referring to the 95 1100R though. I
believe that was its first year. The 850R was released as a '96, and the
RT came soon thereafter.
do...@09.usenet.us.com
: >1995 BMW R1100RT Suggested Retail Value $6820
: >I wonder whatsamatta with the 95 R11 pricing. That's the first year.
Jason O'Rourke (j...@best.com) wrote:
: The new RT didn't come out for one or two model years after the '95. I
: wonder if this is an error and is referring to the 95 1100R though. I
I just went back and looked again.
Typos on the Kelly Blue Book Page.
They have the "old" R100RT and the "new" R1100RT both listed at $6820.
And if Jason says the RT wasn't out yet...
I don't think anyone wants to compare the R100RT to the ST1100.
Other than BMW owners ;-)
Jason O'Rourke
>I just went back and looked again.
>Typos on the Kelly Blue Book Page.
>They have the "old" R100RT and the "new" R1100RT both listed at $6820.
>And if Jason says the RT wasn't out yet...
>
>I don't think anyone wants to compare the R100RT to the ST1100.
>Other than BMW owners ;-)
I wouldn't compare any of the old boxers to anything! (At least not based
on my experience with the r80 and r100 loaners I got from Cal BMW on
servicing days)
Robert Cooper
on after 100,000 or so miles
R1100RSL
Dan Nitschke wrote:
> Damien wrote:
> >
> > from looking at the same models for my second bike the kawasaki has the same
> > features for a much lower price than the honda. which of course is much lower
> > than the bmw.
>
> 1999 ST1100 ABSII: $14299 MSRP
> 1999 BMW R1100RT: $15900 MSRP
>
> I don't know if I'd call that "much" lower, given the cost
> of these bikes.
> --
>
> /* dan: The Anti-Ged -- Scary Git, IY (tm) #1, YJP #1, LCDB (tm) #1 */
>
Andy Burnett
kevn...@garlic.com (Kevin & Joni Hoskins) wrote:
> I would sure like to hear from owners of both motorcycles, giving
> examples of what you like and dislike about either bike.
I have a '91 ST with 95,000 miles on it. It's my commuter, and the
reliability is one of its high point to me. It's also comfortable,
has the capacity to carry some stuff and/or somebody, and can eat up a
piece of twisty road pretty nicely.
As a sportbike, it is limited by weight, wheelbase, ground clearance and
suspension, but oddly enough, you can go quite fast in even tight
corners. As someone else mentioned, it carries its weight low, which
makes it easy to flick. The engine is very flexible, requiring few
shifts. At high speeds, a midcorner dip will be extra exciting because
of the soft and underdamped rear suspension (Well, what do I know? Mine
has the original shock!). With most of the tires available for the
bike, grip exceeds cornering clearance -- a nice safety valve. The
clearance improves with time. ;-)
Downsides: Some simple maintenance items are frankly a pain in the _ss.
Changing a light bulb in the instrument cluster comes to mind. The
front end wasn't to my liking, but I occasionally ask more of it than it
was probably designed for. My complaints are that the forks flex when
steering hard, the springs are soft and the anti-dive makes the front
wheel skip over bumps when on the brakes. I solved these to some extent
with a fork brace, stiffer springs, disabled the anti-dive and had
Lindemann "revalve" both compression & rebound. Still, those forks are
just plain wierd, as one side mostly handles compression and the other
rebound. One side has a cartridge and the other doesn't.
The only other gripe is I'm told I look pretty dumb trying to hang
off.
Every so often I think about getting rid of it, but its virtues always
win out and I'm curious as to how long it will keep running...
ab
patr...@my-deja.com
> Oops!! Hold it right there. The Concours is not a "sport touring"
> machine. It is a touring machine. The ST1100 counts as sport touring
> but leaning more towards the touring side.
Huh? What kind of backward logic is this? I own a Concours and have
ridden the ST1100. The ST is a fine Turnpike Cruiser. Lots of lazy
torque (not slow) and smooth for multi-lane cruising. More
appliance-like than motorcycle-like, which some people prefer (hence the
popularity of Honda Accordszzzzzzzz).
The Concours is a Ninja motor with a serious fairing (excellent
protection) and huge standard saddlebags, but which still emphasizes the
"sport" in sport-touring.
If you have long legs, you'll bash your knees on the ST's fairing on
every bump. And yes, the Concours does "buzz" to varying degrees,
depending on tune, and I'm sure some are more troubled by it than
others. Most of my trips are 500 miles or so, and I have no problems.
BTW, you can pick up a three-year-old Concours in excellent condition
(under 10K miles) for around $4500. It will probably still be under
warranty.
Gary H. Merrill
patr...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > Oops!! Hold it right there. The Concours is not a "sport touring"
> > machine. It is a touring machine. The ST1100 counts as sport touring
> > but leaning more towards the touring side.
>
> Huh? What kind of backward logic is this? I own a Concours and have
> ridden the ST1100. The ST is a fine Turnpike Cruiser. Lots of lazy
> torque (not slow) and smooth for multi-lane cruising. More
> appliance-like than motorcycle-like, which some people prefer (hence the
> popularity of Honda Accordszzzzzzzz).
>
> The Concours is a Ninja motor with a serious fairing (excellent
> protection) and huge standard saddlebags, but which still emphasizes the
> "sport" in sport-touring.
Well, I'll defer to your greater experience. To be honest, applying the
adjective "sport" to either of these is a stretch.
-- Gary Merrill
Mick McHam
>Concours does not require that its rider tolerate so much buzz that
>the hands go numb. Far from it. On my Concours, the buzz is just
>noticeable, not bothersome. We'll see what I think of it after my
>upcoming 3-week trip.
Please do those of us who are considering the Connie a favor and write a
post about what you find re: buzziness when you return.
Robert Kennedy
cbybee <cby...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Glad to here your Connie is working well for you, but I have to say
> that everybody I know who has a Concours (4 to be exact), including
> my brother report this same problem.
Some buzziness definitely is a characteristic of the Concours. But the
Concours does not require that its rider tolerate so much buzz that
the hands go numb. Far from it. On my Concours, the buzz is just
noticeable, not bothersome. We'll see what I think of it after my
upcoming 3-week trip.
> Gen mar risers , foam grips, heavier end weights, will help those in
> need, ...
Proper tuning of the balance shaft adjustment and a few other things
also help.
-- Robert
Darren Fuerst
Gary H. Merrill <gmer...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Well, I'll defer to your greater experience. To be honest, applying the
>adjective "sport" to either of these is a stretch.
The Concours is definitely not a true sport bike. That being said,
it's definitely not a touring bike either (in the mold of, say, a
Goldwing). It's a "sporty" bike that can be ridden for long
distances. It's a "toury" bike that doesn't sacrifice too much
performance and handling to go those distances. In other words,
it's a "sport touring" bike.
Ditto for the ST1100.
Darren
Father Dale
protection onto it. It is truly
amazing how much easier other bikes are to ride after mastering the Connie.
Yesterday on the ride home, I was amusing myself by coming up with a FAQ for
the folks who log on and ask "I've never ridden anything but a Honda Trail
90 in the 70s, and I'm looking for a new Concours. Can I ride it?" The
obvious answer: "Unless you ride like a god (test: has Kevin Schwantz ever
asked you
for pointers?), get a beginner bike, like a Gold Wing or a BMW R1100RT
before taking on the Concours."
Baaahahaha. I crack me up!
Father Dale
Tim Root
machine! I just have a whisper of the thought of an upcoming corner and
zip... I'm around it! I found it smooth and quiet, but I do get that
"hand buzz". The shop is giving me a new set of grips for it, as well as
a shorty back rest too, cause my wife won't let the kids ride with me
without one. My daughters love to ride with me, and they're good little
passengers, too. WIsh me luck with it, I think it's a breeze!
Tim
Father Dale wrote:
>
> The Concours is a tough bike, but I wish they'd build some plastic
> protection onto it. It is truly
> amazing how much easier other bikes are to ride after mastering the Connie.
> CUT
> Father Dale
Father Dale
Tim Root <tr...@tds.net> wrote in message news:3793EAF5...@tds.net...
> Father Dale: I just picked up a mint '88 Concours on Saturday. What a
> machine! I just have a whisper of the thought of an upcoming corner and
> zip... I'm around it! I found it smooth and quiet, but I do get that
> "hand buzz". The shop is giving me a new set of grips for it, as well as
> a shorty back rest too, cause my wife won't let the kids ride with me
> without one. My daughters love to ride with me, and they're good little
> passengers, too. WIsh me luck with it, I think it's a breeze!
Good luck. Enjoy it, Tim. Log onto http://www.concours.org and you'll get
some tips for taming the buzz. But after riding an R series BMW last week,
I wonder what all the fuss about the "buzz" is about. Just did my valves,
and the buzz moved up around 500 RPM, into an area I don't use much.
Smooooooth...
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